Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

this is a Dark Eldar thread nao

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>>53662695
How do Thousand Sons players feel about being reduced to a handful of spells? Will you be playing them in 8th?

>>53662717
Go away Drew Carey, you fat fuck.

>>53662717
nope, it's underappreciated wraith unit thread.
Wraithlord, wraithfighter, and wraithblades all got a buff, while their previously OP brothers got a nerf.
Ok, the wraithblades skill look kinda shitty, but whatever.

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Tzeentch is best chaos God.

Thinking about buying some Custodian Guard with 8th coming up.

Anyone tried them in 8th? Are they worth taking?

>>53662750
Its disappointing given the variety out of wrath of magnus. But at least we're not trash in general.

Pretty strongly considering an all bike/fast Eldar/Dark Eldar army - if I go with that build Ynnari is the better option right?

>>53662750
Spells should be at least infinite attempts but only 1 success.

Let all my Sorcs try until 1 of them gets it right

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>>53662776
>everyone is crying about mortars
>mfw i unpack my 1000 brimstone horrors

Is there anywhere to view a game? I'm dirt poor and there's no way I could afford models, but I'd really like to just watch some people play.

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Necrons back on top?

>>53662791
This guy playtested a smattering of units from guard in 8th. Once the Commissar dies the conscripts really start to melt!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN0lPXmH-GQ

I'm sure somebody will go on to say his tactics were wrong and he shouldn't have done this, that, the other thing. But for a playtest I think it really works to show what happens to conscripts whose commissar has been popped by a handful of snipers.

My anti-guard recommendation:
The guardsmen have 24" range and 6" movement. This gives you a lot of room to dictate the terms of engagement. Take snipers, hold back, pop the commissars, then charge. Unless you got transports in which case hide inside, move up, pop commissars, get out and charge.

I mean, unless these mortars are really so crazy good that they can pop transports with ease. In that case your in trouble.

>>53662891
Just look up 40k battle reports on youtube.

>>53662889
>I see your brimstone horrors and unpack my fabius bile

Your move

>>53662891
YouTube battle reports.

>>53662891

GW streams games on twitch and there are lots of battle reports on youtube (I like Tabletop Tactics).

Also FLG is streaming a game on twitch now.

>>53662903
They're not that good against transports but they'll melt any other infantry.

Also some armies do not have sniper options to counter commissars.

Why do so few antagonists have self-awareness?
If you're calling yourself the Dark Mechanicum you'd think that "dark" implies the bad guys, but they gleefully go for it.

Manager left left dark indexes out for people to read so we tried out 8th edition. came to the conclusion that contemptor dreadnoughts are fucking great with their 9 inch move and 10 wounds.

>>53662891
The warhammer live stream on twitch is not terrible, if you can see it when it is broadcasting.

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>>53662897
Tesla's back, at least.
Lots of bitches running horde armies like it means something.
Annihilation Barge is 137 points, with underslung tesla. It's getting around 10 hits, and so around 7 wounds before saves on anything t5 or lower, on a relatively durable body.

Quantum Shielding has made them /weird/. Toughness 6 is just high enough that the enemy wants to fire their anti-tank weaponry at it, but unless that anti-tank is plasma you're getting a save against it. And usually a pretty good one, in my experience.

Anti-tank is harsh, until you remember that Triarch Stalkers have twin gauss. Shoot into it, then light up the target with massed fire. Sure, Gauss doesn't do what it used to, but -1 AP can get a surprising amount of work done.

>>53662942
Who? I mean, Knights obviously but I don't think they're sweating the conscripts.

>>53662750
They'll get over it when a Tzeentch Codex comes out with over9000 psychic powers just like AoS has. Seriously I don't know what part of "the indexes are just temporary" you faggots aren't getting.

Gonna put together my terminator lord from my start collecting CSM box finally since it looks like multiple HQs and terminators in general look a lot better this edition. What should I load him up with? He's gonna be Khornate.

>>53662919
>>53662906
>>53662931
>>53662968
Neato guys, thanks.

>>53662977
Why would I try to stop you? RAW it's allowed.

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Does anyone have the rest of the papercraft space wolf dreadnought? I only have this one piece.

>>53662992
But anon, everything in 40k is temporary.

>>53663008
No it's not, the lead designer already shut that down.

>>53662946
It's probably like the Dark Eldar where that's just what the Imperium (the people the stories are told from the point of) call them.

>>53662977
>Argues that he's allowed to reroll your D6=5 attacks on the demolisher cannon
>You get fed up with him and say "Fine! Roll it and quit bitching!"
>He rolls
>....a 6
>:) Thanks, Mister!

>>53662977
I would've been terrified were this not /tg/ and you weren't frogposting.

>>53663017
>everything is temporary except my virginity
FTFY

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>>53662992
INDEXES WILL NEVER BE REPLACED THIS IS THE GAME FROM NOW ON

>>53663008
>>53662977
>have a roll-off with my opponent
>he doesn't like his roll and re-rolls
>doesn't like my roll either so he re-rolls my roll, effectively rolling off against himself
>upset that I am not even involved in the roll off anymore, I reroll my die
>realize I'm losing so I reroll my opponents die
>my opponent loses a roll off that he has no rolls in
Serves that fucker right.

>>53662992
Well it's still real fuckin gay that they didn't just release everything all at once.

I have no desire to play 8th right now BECAUSE they are temporary and the game is "incomplete."

>>53663019
[citation needed]

>>53662946
That's what the loyalists call them.

Same way we call daemons Neverborn. Or the Ruinous Powers, we call the True Gods or the Primordial Truth.

No idea what the Dark Mechanicum call the!selves though.

>>53663039
Oh, sorry to hear that, anon.

>>53663068

Then wait until the chaos book comes out?

>>53663056
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic

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Oh wow, I just realized something.

In all past editions, horde armies were 100% legit in terms of what was allowed by the rules and what most players would willingly play against. As contrasted to, for example, all-vehicle or all-monster armies, when the opponent didn't bring enough anti-tank weapons.

In 8th edition, if somebody shows up at the store with a purely infantry horde army of 200+ models, I'm sorely tempted to turn down a game with them even though it's legit. Even if I do have a shitload of anti-infantry weapons.

Wait, so did we lose meltacide for blood angels?

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>>53663064
Gentle reminder that even working pure RAW, you can only use each stratagem once a phase.

>>53663074
The screencap was literally just posted in the last thread, dumbass.

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>>53662977
I can still re-roll that result with my CP.

>>53663064
That actually sounds pretty funny, my mates and I might try a few games with no limit on re-rolls or strategems,

>>53663084
I play various Imperium factions. But yeah it looks like I'll have to wait to see what I actually want to build. Which is annoying and gay and makes me not want to give GW money.

Point is, it's a stupid business strategy.

>>53663103
Not all of us can sit here all day refreshing threads on 4chan. I'm sorry that you have nothing to do with your life.

>>53663089
That's probably going to be 90% of lists

I hope you're running snipers to take out their morale-enhancers

>>53663092
Blood Angels have to use the vanilla assault squad rules at the moment and Inferno Pistols are 20 points each.

>>53663116
Can't reroll a reroll, nerdlinger.

I think twin heavy Bolters might be the new default Dreadnought weapon, or assault cannon if you don't feel like buying forge world parts or converting.

6 rending shots without a lot of expense.

>>53663119

Not likely - overall it is looking to be a very exciting release that is going to generate strong sales for GW. Obviously we won't know for sure because GW doesn't release sales data but signs point to it being pretty well received from a sales stand point.

>>53663137
>That's probably going to be 90% of lists
Nah I'm hopeful - if only because buying and painting that many models is a bitch.

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LION TEASERS

FUCKING

WHEN
H
E
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Is it just me or are Huskblades finally better than Agonisers for Archons? I have an extra Archon I'm preparing to build, wat do?

Thinking Blast Pistol + Huskblade and then throwing him in a transport with some Incubi

>>53663116
>Roll a 4
>He rerolls your 4 into a 2
>You reroll his reroll into a 4
>But your the imperial guard so you still have 11 CP and he only has 3.

>>53663119
They updated everyone at once so no one is left with an unplayable army at the start of the edition.

They've ALWAYS done Codex releases one at a time and always will because, newsflash, it's actually a much fucking better business strategy, and they would know, because they run a multi-million dollar business, and you do not.

Not making apologies for GW being a bunch of fucking jews, but there are actual reasons for this.

>>53662903

Once the commisars are down, you essentially kill conscripts twice as fast due to morale

>>53663166
What the fuck

There are like 50 hell turkeys incoming in that art

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>>53663143
That was his re-roll, not mine, nigglet.

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>>53663172

>my opponent keeps rerolling my psychic rolls for my brimstones
>can't reroll them again because I'm at -14 CP

NOOOO ITS NOT FAIR

>>53662971
what kinds of lists are you thinking of running?

>>53663138
I need to lay down. Maybe have a cry...

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>>53663203
Doesn't matter. p. 187, sidebar. Once a die's been rerolled once, it can't be rerolled again.

>>53663027
>>53663076

In the Mechanicum HH book Kelbor-Hal refers to themselves as the Dark Mechanicum.

Makes me think of that Mitchell and Web "Are we the bad guys?" skit.

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>>53663172
>Cruddace was the guy who came up with the command point mechanic
>Imperial Guard just happen to be the army that can spam 3x more of them than anyone else
Really engages my cogitators

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We had an interesting day at the store today. The Store Manager had put out all the rulebooks for 8th edition, and so people started running games using the rules. I had brought my tau(not the pic, more on that later) to run a game against some space marines. And we got halfway through the second turn when something odd happened.

A dude walked in the store with a gigantic box, and dropped it in front of the manager. I didn't notice it happening, but apparently the dude was butthurt about the new edition, so he was getting rid of his entire collection. He had models from Guard, Orks, Necrons, Eldar, and Space Marines(even a couple Rogue Trader models). Everyone from the store was invited to just take whatever they wanted.

Seeing as I was starting a tau army, this ended up being the perfect chance to score more models for my new army. I also ended up being a SINGLE PIECE away from an entire devilfish, it's just missing the Back-left panel frame, leaving the whole thing as an extra fancy terrain piece. Most of the collection is also in various states of wear n' tear, as well as poor priming. All of the crisis suits are missing their feet, and I only grabbed up one stealth suit out of three. These guys will all need to be stripped and reprimed properly.

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Why did everyone bully Lorgar, tg?

>>53663210

Catacomb Command Barge w/ Warscythe + Gauss Cannon: 168
Cryptek: 104

Triarch Stalker w/ Twin Heavy Gauss Cannon: 181

20 Warriors: 240
20 Warriors: 240
10 Immortals w/ Gauss: 170
10 Immortals w/ Tesla: 170

Annihilation Barge: 146
Annihilation Barge: 146
Doomsday Ark: 203

Doom Scythe: 220

1988, 6 command points.

>>53663292

What a manbaby

At least he didn't set them on fire

>>53663292
He's going to regret that.

>>53663309
Because lorgars a fucking bitch who wanted to talk instead of fight

>>53662977
I once had a trench coat autist 18 year old pull a knife on me when playing warhammer fantasy at a FLGS.

I was 12 at the time.

>>53663169
>better than Agonisers

Pros:
>deals an average of 2 damage against T3 models instead of 1. Assuming said T3 model even has 2 wounds or more.

Cons
>strictly worse at killing marines and up
>abysmal at killing T6
>has the same chance of ever hitting a vehicle anyways
>costs 6 pts more for some reason

>>53663292
Top kek

The tears are delicious

>>53663280
Ironically, I was sad to see the Platoon Mechanic go. It may be to our advantage but, well, platoons were just one of those things that made guard guard! The ability to take heavy weapons in the troops slot, the conscripts, the heavy weapons blobs. I'll miss it all.

...But don't worry. We'll probably see our troops cost nerfed by 1 point each come the codex.

>>53663186
I don't run a business, but I have an understanding of economics, and the fact that the guys at GW are running a business does not necessarily mean they are actually any good at it (though they've been getting better recently).

>They ALWAYS done Codex releases one at a time and always will

Sure, but they didn't have the indices before. There's less incentive to buy now and start playing the game with an unfinished ruleset when certain army compositions or model loadouts could be invalidated or heavily nerfed by the time the full books come out. Not that you should only build forces with ONLY rules in mind, but for people that actually care about the rules being good and want a force that's decent on the tabletop, they are important.

>>53662985

Knights are actually the most easily raped by conscript spam.
The new system falls apart at its extreme ends.

>>53663348
>Sure, but they didn't have the indices before.
Newfag who missed 3rd detected.

Also your entire argument boils down to "but things could change!" when that's always been the case with Codex updates coming out.

>>53663343

I am apparently bad at math. Oh well, sticking with the agoniser then.

Blast Pistol or no, fellow archons? New pistol rules seem to make the Blast Pistol (potentially) actually worth something

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>>53663008
>>53662977

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>mfw bust out ancient sisters force
jesus, I own way to many of these gals.

Also a strange amount of flamers.
So far tallied:
73 bolters, 6 heavy flamers, 3 heavy bolters, fucking 21 flamers, 4 banners, 2 Canoness, 10 Seraphim, Celestine and 7 Superiors
Curiously only 3 meltas, but i trhink at a certain point I just started using flamers as meltas in certain squads.

Why the fuck did I buy so many?

>>53663326
he isn't since his joy seems to be in collecting armies in the now rather than putting any effort into any specific army.


fucking wallet warriors

>>53663216
p178,
Some rules allow you to re-roll a dice roll.
Which means you get to roll some or all of the dice again.
YOU can never re-roll a dice more than once, and re-rolls happen before modifiers.

Yeah, fucker, you can't re-roll it again.
You as in the person that just re-rolled.
But I can re-roll once aswell.

>>53663392
purifying flame anon, purifying flame.

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>>53663292
Pic related is some other stuff that got looted. I feel like starting a necron army as a result of this

>>53662695
Are Vespids mind-controlled by the tau or are they just really friendly and weird?

>>53663392
shitsters of basshole

>>53662695

Fucking xenos shitwings

FUCKING SCUM! DIE IN THE NAME OF THE EMPEROR!

>>53663431
Old dominions were a tad ridiculous. 4 (5 with combi) flamers that, basically, rended on 6s.

>>53663423
its true.
>>53663216
can't deny it rules lawyer bitch, you want to reroll my dice, i'll just start packing more rerolls and just reroll your rerolls making your rerolls null and void.

best part is, is if your reroll ends up being worse for you it stands and you just used up a reroll against yourself FUCKING NERD STOP HITTING URSELF

>>53663423
>Which means you get to roll some or all of the dice again.
Oh thank fuck, that means anything that says it can "re-roll charge distance" can just choose to re-roll one low one instead of both. So if you roll a 1 and a 6 you don't have to lose the 6 to re-roll the 1.

That just made Orks better, for one thing.

>>53663392
If you're in the USA and ever want to get rid of those heavy flamers, I'd be interested.

Also, here's what I've got planned, based on what I own:

+ Spearhead Detachment +
Celestine w/ Superia: 250
5 Dominions w/ 4 Meltaguns: 114
- Immolator w/ Flamer: 103
5 Dominions w/ 4 Flamers: 91
- Immolator w/ Melta: 122
10 Seraphim w/ 2x 2 hand flamers: 134
5 Retributors w/ Multi-Meltas: 113

+ Vanguard Detachment +
Canoness w/ Eviscerator: 67
Priest: 35
9 Repentia: 153
Mistress of Repentance: 38
- Rhino: 77
2 Imagifiers: 120
- Immolator w/ Flamer: 103
5 Retributors w/ Heavy Bolters: 85

+ Super-Heavy Auxiliary +
Hexenhammer, Knight-Errant: 430

1995
5 command points, Celestine warlord

Smack the Retributors and their Mistress in a rhino, all the characters in one immolator, and the two Dominion squads in the other.

Turn 1, use my AoF on a long ranged squad to open up on whatever needs solving.
Turn 2, the Seraphim should be in position with Celestine, so they get the AoF, Celestine getting the army one and the Seraphim getting the other. Repentia and Characters get out and assume deathblob position behind their tranports; try to block enemy charge while enabling their own.

Turn 3, AoF on the Repentia if they've made charge, on Seraphim/Celestine again if they haven't. Everything else is fluid as the battle.

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RIP Initiative
RIP Templates
RIP unit choice mattering
RIP Death Company

Who the fuck wrote these rules? I could do better stoned.

>>53663423
see
>>53663388

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Are Bloodcrushers worth it now or should I spam Bloodletters?

Also, which Herald of Khorne should I use?

>>53663362
The problem with that idea is that it always assumes all the hundreds guardsmen are within 12" and all the knights are always huddled up in a corner from T1 unable to retreat despite their greater M to utilize their range advantage.

>>53663375
Codex updates didn't happen until full edition changes occurred.

>>53663362

It takes 54 Conscript shots to do 1 wound to a Knight.

>>53663471
initiative was shit
templates were dogshit
unit choice matters now more than ever before because tactics are actually part of the game now
kill yourself and then you can join death company irl

>>53663480
What does this even mean? We just got a full edition change.

>>53663478
this, its why i think hordes are a bad meme that people who buy into will suddenly regret.

>>53663499
I was referring to the past.

>>53663470
...are those repentia just walking?

They don't really fit anywhere.

>>53663478
Except this game is played with objectives which need to be captured, you can't just sit back and plink away at guardsmen and boyz with your weak-ass battle cannons and melta guns

>>53663492
Initiative was a good stat.
Templates were sorta awkward at best, yeah.
Unit choice absolutely matters, more now than ever with the Command Point options.
He's got a lot of reasons to kill himself, but I don't think his opinions are one of them.

This is my first 40k list, let me know what I should change in the future when I can pick up more models.

HQ
Lord of Contagion -139
Malignant Plague Caster -110

Troops
20 Poxwalkers -120
7 Plague Marines -147
Champion w/ Plasma Pistol and Power Sword 7/4
1 Melta 17
Icon of Despair 10
7 Plague Marines 147
Champion w/ Plasma Pistol and Power Sword 7/4
1 Melta 17
Icon of Despair 10

Elite

5 Terminators 155
5 Powerfist 100
5 combi plasma 75
Icon of Despair 10

Noxious Blightcaller- 73

Heavy Support

Hellbrute 72
Twin Lascannon 50
Hellbrute fist 40


1480 Total

>>53663383
Same guy. I've always been a fan, but you are paying for it, so it depends on how much you want to invest in your big dude.

However, I haven't played 8th yet, so I don't know how appropriate entering melee is with an archon and his court, but in any case, you can stick him on a raider, charge the raider into melee, and have him shoot his pistol into the melee from the boat. And that's freaking badass enough that I'm doing it regardless of viability.

>>53663492

>Everything is fully capable of wounding anything
>Picking right unit for the job highly important

You can pick one and only one

>>53663442
Don't ask too many questions comrade.

>>53663481

With a commander and commissar, you've got about 150 conscripts for the cost of a knight, doing about 300 shots at 24 inches and 600 shots at 12, and they're practically immune to morale.
So that's about 1/4 of its wounds at 24 inches and 1/2 at 12 inches.
Meanwhile the knight might kill like a dozen.

>>53663520
And it was a meaningless statement.

"Codex updates didn't happen until a full edition change" yes and? Now there's been a full edition change and now there will be Codex updates, how is this at all any different from before? You're not even making an argument here.

>>53663521
I'd meant Repentia and their mistress in the rhino.

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Made a list with hive guard, they seem really good. Not sure how much overlap you get with two units of them with an exocrine but all infantry are made alot more survivable with venomthrope

>>53663528

My guy - who is running battle cannons? Avenger gattlers are the name of the game.

>>53663086
Obviously I'm being sarcastic. No one who read the damned things thought these'd be final, even if the missed the blurb inside them talking about new rulesets coming out.

That said, some armies will never be updated. We know it'll be Space Marines first, X second, and Tau third. Beyond that, nothing is known.

>>53663528
If you're playing knights, objects weren't your goal in the first place.

>>53663539
>still falls for the "anything can wound anything so conscripts will kill baneblades" meme
>can't do basic math and hasn't even played the fucking game
Whining discarded.

>>53663292
>none of it was painted
Of course

>>53663567

Didn't orks get a codex before tau in 7th?
lmao who knows what bloody order things will be in aside from 1st off death guard and marine marines

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>>53663451

>>53663362
Really? Hmm...Mathhammer time!

60->20->3->1 wound per turn volley, so anywhere between 1 and 4 wounds per turn per conscript squad. They would need 6 turns to eat though the knight at under 12" range with rank fire.

A knight is what? 450 points? So you get about 3 units of conscripts. So I guess if you leave your Knight in rapid fire range while the guys giving orders go unmolested then yea, you'll lose it in 2 turns.

But I think putting that high movement to good use might help you. Might want to invest in Avenger cannons as well.

>>53663571
They are in this edition. Good luck tabling infantry spam under the new rules.

Pure Knights will probably be the least viable army period.

>>53662821

They lost deep strike, which really blows because now you have to either waste turns footslogging a super expensive melee-focused unit, or stick them in a super expensive land raider. (That land raider is pretty sick though).

>>53663492
this, I have like 8 small blast templates, 3 large blast templates and a flamer template. I don't even know where i lost some or how i got extras. I'm usually meticulous with my stuff but templates had that fucking ability of disappearing into thin air.

agreed about initiative as it makes it more about trying to bait out enemy melee units so you can get your own melee units on them. you have the initiative in being that first person to get that charge off. instead of it being a fixed value.

unit choice has always been about fielding the coolest looking army. *cool is subjective
>>53663539
grains of sand can be dangerous when used in a sand blaster. Doesn't mean i'd use 1000 grains of sand over a single bullet to protect myself.

Right tool for the right job. its about optimizing your choice.

>>53663538
>you can stick him on a raider, charge the raider into melee, and have him shoot his pistol into the melee from the boat.

kek, that was almost exactly my plan.

>Charge headlong into something important with the Raider
>Hope it doesn't explode from overwatch
>Dump a shitload of Incubi and the Archon onto whatever poor bastard is standing there

I've always favoured melee Archons because I like the idea of some pompous (ie. insane) psychopathic overlord waltzing into combat in the bloody eye of the storm created by his martial retainers. So I'm with you in the "doing it anyway even if it sucks" boat.

>>53663598

...fuck.

...got anymore a those pulse rifles?

>>53663601
Is this the new sixty multimeltas?

>>53663601
>the instant the knight engages one conscript the rest of them cannot fire on it
>the rest of them cannot move far enough back to allow the others to fall back away from the knight

Good luck with your master plan

>>53663579

>Doesn't understand wound tables.

it's okay, really.

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>>53663583
That'll get changed once I grab some simple green to strip them all. Pic is the paint-scheme I'm going for. I want to run a mechanized cadre that specializes in Void Combat, so imagine a group that latches onto the outer hull of a starship to try and sabotage it working their way inside. Or assaulting bases built on moons and asteroids.

>>53662695
I want to know what series of events got two orks to dress up in human female mid-19th Century Attire. I mean, where did they even get those?

>>53663601
Not him, but
>60
What is that meant to represent? 50 conscripts with FRFSRF gets rapid fire 2, so within 12" that's 4 shots apiece. 200 shots for a 50 man squad.

I think only spamming conscripts is as silly as only spamming knights in a list, but the volume of fire is still a little unreal.

>>53663551
This time, the codices are going to be replacing rules that already exist in the current edition.

Both of those things mean people may end up aggravated when rules don't end up the way they like, and because consumers are aware this might happen, they won't buy many models or rules to start and will instead wait for the "full thing" to come out.

Furthermore, if GW hold true to their "update as we go" promise, consumers may additionally want to wait for the balance of the game to shake out a little before they go ahead and dive in (this point would be limited to competitive players).

Did that make more sense?

>>53663601

lol go read the actual rules then fix your "math" and we can have a conversation

>>53663660
>Both of those things mean

should be

>This means

sorry.

>>53663632

You'd need a huge amount of space to have room to retreat and be able to clear. Not the guy you're talking to just a long time Ork player who's managed hordes for a long time.

>>53663532
Might as well go for Typhus rather than lord of contagion, he's the same but better yet cheaper. You've forgotten to add in the cost of the LoCs melee weapon.

>>53663567
IIRC I remember reading that they plan on releasing codexes for the factions that didn't get any actual updates in 7th (so nids and Grey Knights would be up first) but I highly doubt it. Death Guard for sure will be soon since we've seen Mortarion's model and probably Space Marines are up too to milk more Primaris units

>>53663567
Tau won't be updated third lol. They're a looong way off, they were one of the more recent updates in 7.5.

It's Primaris Marines first, Death Guard second, Space Marines third (unless Primaris and Vanilla are the same book), World Eaters likely fourth, then probably Guard, then Emperor's Children, then probably Tyranids, and somewhere in the middle there will be a new faction mini-release on the size of Skitarii/GSC.

>>53663552
im a retard and missed the rhino right after the mistress.

Also your multimelta retributors are not 113 points. They are 9*5 + 27*4 aka 153 points, not 113.
Dominons are 10 a piece and flamers are 9, so a 5 man squad would cost 86, not 91.
As with the flamers, meltas are 17 each, making the squad 118 points with 4 meltas (not 114).
Imagifiers are 40 points each, not 60.

Also from a RAW perspective, Imagifiers are useless in vehicles and units that deep strike in cannot use faith as they drop at the end of the movement phase.

Transports:
"Embarked units cannot normally do anything or be affected in any way whilst they are embarked. Unless specifically stated, abilities that affect other units within a certain range have no effect whilst the unit that has the ability is embarked"

Sadly, this means an imagifer has to START the turn outside a vehicle to even work. :|

>>53663660
But the indexes aren't full rules, they're holdovers. It was exactly like this in 3rd edition, and not a single person ever complained when they got their real Codex and no longer had to go off the rules in the BBB.

>>53663543
okay here's a an exercise. get a knight and moderately terrained table.

and now start putting your 150 conscripts 1" away from the knight radiating outwards.

tell me how many you can fit 12" away from the knight.

now add in the movement ect. you'll never get your retarded perfect scenario amount of infantry shooting off at the one knight. mean while that knight will always do about a dozen its guaranteed that with its range and mobility over your conscripts.

so no.

You can't math hammer and forget about movement and terrain to prove a units worth.

its an exercise in futility. math hammer for optimization but don't rely on it fully.

>>53663539
Everything is capable of wounding everything...1/6th of the time...

Vehicles have 10+ wounds T7-8 on average and a 3+ save on average. Yeah, everything can wound anything but that doesn't mean it's the right fucking choice for it. Lascannons and melta guns are still the best choices for bringing down big shit. Because they do enough damage per hit to make a difference.

It's 900+ lasgun to bring down a Land raider. 500 to take down a Rhino. You don't have time for that shit. Your opponent will curb stop you if you are putting every guardsman in your gunline on brining it down without heavy weapons.

You better believe having the right guys for the job is more important than ever.

>>53663682
Ah good call, although I believe our first "launch" tournament is banning named characters.

>>53663660
>This time, the codices are going to be replacing rules that already exist in the current edition.
At least it'll all be new stuff though. No more copypaste codex jobs

>>53663683
Wait, GK didn't have a seventh edition Codex?

>>53663733
Someone recently demonstrated that you can easily fit 60 25mm base models within 3" of a Knight-sized base. I don't think less than 3x that number of conscripts will have difficulty fitting in an area more than 4x as big.

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So I finished reading Burning of Prospero and bought one of pic related for a few bucks to paint. Once I'm finished I'd like to try to do a Thousand Sons army of some kind so I can play with friends that have been trying to get me into it for some time (It's a new edition so I figured I'd try it out). I'm probably going to buy things one at a time so I can get each of them painted nicely. Do you guys have any suggestions on what my first couple of purchases should be? I'd like Magnus, but I feel like fielding just him might be frowned upon (or possibly not legal?).

>>53663733

Don't argue with the guardfags right now friend. Attempting to convince them to evaluate the game outside the vacuum of 'mah 200 conscripts maths' won't work.

>>53663712
I'm aware of the Imagifier problem. They're there for the backfield Heavy Bolters, and the Repentia turn 3+

As for the cost fuckups, thank you. This is what I get for list designing at 0 dark 30 in the morning.

Fortunately, I need to make 44 points, and the dominions cost 5 less and imagifiers cost 40 less, so I actually come out 1 point ahead.

>>53663766

Rubric Marines and/or Tzaangors. Now you have a legal army, congrats.

>>53663539
Not really. Are you going to pay for lascannons to take out hormagaunts? Or are you going to take extra lasguns instead to take out a land raider?

>>53663749
>tournaments banning named characters again
Awesome. You have a based TO, this should become standard practice especially with bullshit like Primarchs coming out these days.

>>53663759

okay sure. go do it in a game now, tell me how often you get into that sort of retard formation.

what is this preatorians? are you trying to form a cavalry square to ward of knights now?

>>53663768

Fuck off I bought some tanks! Gonna get some more, too!

>>53663715
But people and expectations are different since 3rd. The competitive scene is much bigger (even if relatively small compared to other games), and people are more used to the release cycle (and generally lower rules quality) of GW.

Plus, the indices are pretty damn close to full rules. The key things they are missing that could dramatically change the play of an army are small, but could be very important:

>general flavor (chapter tactics and equivalent)
>stratagems (could be the dark horse of this edition)
>any balance adjustments that may occur

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>>53663749
But muh all scout army
:(

>tfw no generic scout hq
Feelsbadman

>>53663783
You're going to pay for lascannons to take out synapse creatures or you're going to fucking die against Tyranids without question.

>>53663784
Also when we eventually get rules for homebrew chapters and other subfactions, they'll be penalized less as they won't be the only ones without access to named characters.

>>53663632
Uh, no. Not my master plan. I was just curious if what he said was right about knights melting before conscript blobs was true, mathhammered, and found it was true under very specific and somewhat unlikely conditions.

That said, why do we have to fall back? A Conscript hits at the same strength as a Lasgun, and the commander can order the troops to fix bayonets and attack twice per turn.

So basically you just charged into rapid fire range, but your scything down conscripts with 12 stomp attacks instead of 12 Gatling cannon shots. It's slightly more advantagous to you, but after you murder ten or so conscripts there should be enough room to move the conscripts back.

I suppose you will want to maximize your attacks and minimize the amount of outside interference by shooting, charging, stomping, disengaging, shooting, charging stomping, repeat ad-nausium.

The Guard commander will counter with a disengage followed by "Get back into the Fight", or if that's somehow impossible, just patiently waiting until you make enough room though conscript murder to fall back, and in the meantime ordering "Fix Bayonets" to keep the conscripts launching 2 attacks per turn.

>>53663777
Some reason dominons are 10pts a model vs 9 for all other sisters.

Im quite sad Celestians are basically worthless, though. They would be good if they had an option for two heavies/specials instead of 1 special or 1specialheavy as sisters. I'd enjoy a "gunline" of Celestians backed with heavy bolters.

>>53663733

Are you seriously implying it is even slightly difficult to fit 150 models withing 12 inches of a knight base?

Besides, it really doesn't matter if they get within 12, since at 24 they kill a knight in 4-5 turns, meanwhile the knight will maybe kill off one blob.

The fact that we even have to discuss the situation of conscripts vs knights is fucking ridiculous enough.
The fact that conscripts win the mathhammer is what makes the game broken at its extreme ends.

Cry and stamp your feet as much as you want, but this is broken, and should not be a thing.

>>53663685
You think 5 of the first 6 will be Space Marine flavours, and not even include Yiffs, Dangles or BA?

Maybe if they're trying to go out of their way to piss everyone off, but otherwise unlikely.

>>53663715
>>53663753
honestly don't expect a whole bunch of new unit profiles in the codex.
Do expect a bunch of ways you can get abilities that work off of keywords.
Detachments and/or stratagems that refer to faction keywords, or are restricted to/by faction keywords.

That and pages of fluff.

>>53663659
Aw fuck me I got the numbers wrong. 60 is the number of points in a barebones conscript squad, not the number of conscripts!

Okay

50->16->2.76->About 0.9 wounds per volley

>haven't been up to date with rules in new edition
>c'tan shards can pick powers
thank you

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>>53663292
>none of it was painted
What a fucking surprise.

>>53662968
I enjoyed the CREEEED moment after the IG V Custodes game.

>>53663798
You realize they can move 12+2d6" with orders and difficult terrain no longer slows down movement at all? Turn 1 the guardfag is going to blitz onto most of the objectives, then he will sit there and plink away at Knights while they either lose the game because they can't cap or charge the conscripts, kill a few, and then next turn they back up and shoot with orders while their buddy blob moves up and unloads.

I don't think the lasguns will have much of an effect but the conscripts are so cheap the guardfag will probably have plenty of artillery in the backfield firing while you try desperately to get their chaff off of objectives.

>>53663195
Maybe the artist thought it was a nid?

>>53663866
First off,
>Aw fuck me
No.

Second off, did you read absolutely nothing else in my post or are you being willfully retarded after claiming FRFSRF and within 12" or are you "merely pretending" at this point? Either way, you aren't worth further replies.

>>53663015
> papercraft
Poor plebs get out

>>53663836
How many editions have you been around for? They almost never bunch up all the Space Marine dexes like that, and it's already been said that the oldmarine Chapters are going to get less of a focus this edition than usual because of Primarines.

>>53663543

Orders only affect one unit, can't have one company commander affect 150 at a time

So this is all the Necrons I have, which I just got from a friend. Comes out to just under 2500 points, more or less.

Oldschool Necron Lord/Overlord (Assholetep)
Warriors x40
5 Pariahs, aka Lychguard with warscythes
9x Canoptek Scarabs
1x Canoptek Spyder
Destroyers x12
Heavy Destroyers x3
C'tan Shard of the Nightbringer

My question is, is it worth getting a command barge? The Ark isn't assembled yet- is it easy to magnetize it or should I just make a ghost or doomsday ark? Which is more worth taking in the new edition based off the leaked stuff seen? Should I even bother with any of the newcron stuff/a monolith?

>>53663866

This (>>53663900) is Mortaranon having a conversation with him is pointless because he will literally refuse to acknowledge that the game exists in three dimensions and is not entirely capable of predicting via math.

>>53663834
>The fact that we even have to discuss the situation of conscripts vs knights is fucking ridiculous enough.

It's ridiculous because you're trying to apply a scenario in a vacuum to real life games where such a thing will never erase happen.

Screen cap this. When we see in a tournament or a video bat rep someone roasting a Knight using nothing but conscription you can say I Told You So. It's never going to happen though so your post is just nonsense.

>>53663834
>at 24 they kill a knight in 4-5 turns,
>500pts of stuff can deal with 500pts of stuff over the course of a whole game.

why am i not that impressed
>>53663887
if they're moving that fast then they're not shooting. and you're probably packing them tight as sardines to get them marching in quick formation in any direction especially if you have 150 of them. jesus you guys weren't kidding about fantasy style movement trays weren't you.

either sure you move that fast, but your character doesn't benefit from the fucking order so you leave him fucking behind moron and then he can't fucking issue first rank fire second rank fire next turn at least no to all the units.

REANIMATION PROTOCOLS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRRqLJMTGAI

>>53663602

Since I really am not worried about facing 500 conscripts in real life, I'll have fun with my 3 knight + vindicare and scion army

I think it'll be fine famalam

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>>53663920
The ark is a pain in the dick to magnetize, but worth it. If you can only make one, and you have no other arks, make a ghost ark.

A command barge is useful for you, though I'd recommend a cryptek first, especially if you're building a Ghost Ark. You can't go wrong with a +1 to reanimate, and the command barge is just giving you more of what assholetep does.

The newcron stuff is ugly as sin, but great to use. I cannot recommend annhilation barges highly enough. I brought 2 of them to every game in 5th and 6th, and will bring 2 of them to every game in 8th.

>>53663834

Ohmahgawd! 450 points of models kill 500 points of models! What a broken fucking game!

>>53663931

Nigger, I literally don't even care if it can happen.
It obviously can, as you have provided absolutely no counter argument against it other than "nuh uh bro, won't happen!"
But even if it was somehow impossible, the fact that the system allows for it is completely fucked, and shows a massive flaw when you have units on the extreme ends of the spectrum fighting each other.

If my Armor Save gets modified to 7+, that means I just don't get a save, right?

Daemonettes get AP-4 when they roll a 6. If that Daemonette hits my 3+ marine, his save is now 7+, right? And therefore he just gets no save?

>>53663965
7+ fails automatically.

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Do we know what the Iron Warriors are doing as of now?

I'm curious to know how siege masters spend their time in a Galaxy embroiled in violence now that a massive warp rift has nearly split it asunder.

Also, do we ever get anymore information on Manneus Drath?

>>53663965
Yes.

>>53663952
I think the newcron stuff looks neat. :(

Weird. I can't seem to find the Doomsday Ark in the leaked index.

Is there a pdf of the libre chaotica

I heard its all about daemons and chaos and i love them

>>53663322
I'm kinda sad you can't make the CCB super bullshit anymore but alas.

What do you think of Wraiths and Lychgaurd? I feel like TEQ will never be worth it

>>53663970
>>53663975
Alright.

My friend's Daemonettes are going to be a nightmare to fight.

>>53663911
Your first point was my point, in that it wont be all SM all the time.

The second is a decent one, but I actually wouldn't be surprised if they do Marines like Traitor Legions and stick a pile in the one book. May be harder with a full codex instead of a supplement, and the number of unique units for things like Dangles, but it'd help get everyone a working codex faster.

>>53663812

Because melee range is 1" and with 25mm bases that means you're getting maybe 40 WS5+ STR 3 attacks

>>53663956

So you're telling me the rules are bad because an even number of points in models can kill an even number of points in models?

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>>53663929
First off, if I'm reading this right, then spot on, because I'm definitely mortar-anon. I'm kinda impressed. Second off, why am I wrong for pointing out that 50 conscripts with FRFSRF and being within 12" (as mentioned by him) is actually 200 shots and not 50? The game (or circumstances of) is definitely capable of being predicted via math, and I don't think I've ever made a post otherwise.

>>53663952
Nevermind found the Doomsday Ark.

Wow. The annihilation barge sounds like an amazing troop horde clearer. Am I right on this?

>>53663989
Are you marines? the big issue against them is mostly deepstrike charges. They don't take much damage themselves before they crumble.

>>53663978
Well then, I'd recommend getting a bunch of it. The one thing I will say for the Newcron stuff, and why I use them despite the aesthetics, is they're just plain fucking fun to say. I feel like a mad scientist every time I fire my Doomsday Cannon at full power, nevermind the literal death rays.

>>53663983
Wraiths are going to get tarpitted to hell and back, but if youc an keep them out of that they're still good tarpits themselves. Lychguard are legitimately good, but only at what they do - being a tough melee unit and protecting overlords. They're the defensive option to Flayed Ones' offensive option.

>>53664014
I just used Marines as an example, I'm an AdMech player.

>>53663945
>When you run full units of 20 Warriors alongside a Cryptek and Ghost Ark each.
4+ RP twice a turn per unit. That's 3/4ths of your casualties standing back up each turn, as long as you protect the cryptek and Ark.

>>53663973
Iron Warriors are mentioned in dark imperium, or at least some of them are. The group there were part of a Chaos fleet building a giant temple to chaos. Well the word bearers were doing that. The iron warriors built fortresses on the planet below the temple.

>>53663953
>>53663938

500 points of infantry with no anti armor weapons can kill 500 points of armor while the armor can only hope to pick off handfuls of them in return

You are so fucking brainwashed into sucking 8ed's dick that you don't even see this as a flaw.
Do you think i wasn't disappointed to find this shit out too?
I wanted 8th to be fucking flawless. It's not.

>>53663929
No it isn't. That's a different guy. You're retarded and so is he.

>>53663887

Knight player takes 2 vindicares and kills the commissars on turn 1 and 2, conscripts die to morale and commander gets sniped turn 3

It was a gg

>>53664014
Daemons no longer can deepstrike.

>>53664000
see
>>53664032

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>>53663166

Why couldn't 40K stay like this?

Why did they have to ruin everything with chadmarines and that xenos loving faggot.

It's like the world is topsy-turvy, as the rules get better the fluff gets worse.

>>53664007
Yes. Full Tesla is what I always swear by. 10 shots, hitting on 3s with Tesla (So you effectively cancel out your misses) and wounding on 3s will put about 7 wounds on a unit a turn, which doesn't sound like much, but it can add up real fast, especially from a Necron vehicle chassis.

On that note, a word about necron vehicle chassis. They're weird. Really fucking weird. Toughness 6 is one of the lowest toughnesses for vehicles in the entire game. But it's right where it needs to be.

Plasma will wreck your shit. Kill it ASAP. But everything else? Anything that can reliably damage t6 and isn't plasma is multi-wound. And Quantum Shielding is a good rule. Do NOT forget it. Do NOT say "Oh, I only have a 1 in 6 chance". It can, and it will, save your ass.

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>>53662695
Would it be a bad idea to throw a detachment of Sisters of Silence into a admech list?

With how weak Sicarians have become, and with Admechs lack of any anti-psychic abilities, I was thinking Sisters might be a good plug in with their blades or flamer load outs.

Speaking of, I've got about 200$ set aside to spend. I was gonna buy some Kastellans and more Vanguard, but now im not so sure. Any ideas?

Did they delete the death company chaplain?

>>53664067
I think we're supposed to use a generic chaplain for him. Which fucking eats.

>>53664052
Those pauldrons are so impractical that it hurts.

>>53664081

Man that sucks hard. He's a brand new model too.

>>53664067
Apparently yeah, and Terminator Captain too. Guess i'll use the model as Lermates.

>>53664035

Vindicares cost 3 times as much as a commissar, and kill one every 2-3 rounds on average.
Nice try.

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>>53664052
Xenos love is old school nigga.

>>53663989
They're only T3. Easy to rip to shreds with bolter fire

>>53664035
Conscript player still has like 1000 fucking points to work with besides the 300 conscripts flooding the board, he has ratling snipers that kill the Vindicare or his own Vindicares or he just nukes the fuckers with his manticores.

Try again.

Do we know anything about the 8th edition app? Will it include datasheets for units like the AoS app has warscrolls?

>>53664067
Maybe they will add him in Codex.

>>53664128
Probably not, how will they charge people money for the indexes if the datasheets are free online?

So didn't they say that the core rules are free to download?
I see alot of youtube videos with this 8 page pamphlet. Anyone got a pdf of that?

>>53664032
>>53664000
>>53663956
Not to shove my dick into your sausagefest, but personally I think that the complaint that "WOOOOW Knights can die to no anti-armor" is perfectly met by "WOOOW you didn't even bring snipers."

With the new character rules, conscripts bring a very unique threat to the board, and even in fluff, volume of fire has brought low seemingly anything, including a knight. Hell, deldar fluff has a succubus with a dinky knife kill a knight over a drawn fight by cutting cables and wiring.

However, however, however, conscripts immediately fold the millisecond their commissar is dead. You practically deal double the casualties when killing them. How do you kill commissars? Snipers roast them like none other, and IG doesn't get intervention squads to protect them. Like how armor is best dealt with with anti-armor, a massive blob of low leadership troops is best dealt with with snipers. It's an aspect of gameplay.

Match your list to account for it and stop complaining that a mono army ("all knights") isn't as good against a highly synergized list that covers its ass (bar snipers).

>>53664083
It'd hurt even more when he goes to raise his arms at all.

>>53664106
>when 40k was still 80's metal af
I miss these days, anons.

>>53664113
>300 conscripts

kek
Okay bud, go ahead. we can play tomorrow when you get your 300 conscripts together

>>53664032
because infantry have never juryrigged anti armor weapons up close
because lucky shots can still damage sensors and critical systems either over heating them or breaking lenses etc from an unexpected direction, a knight is not designed to fight light infantry. it is made to force a break through, its more akin to a tank destroyer. personally between 15 infantry versus a tank destroyer i'd pick the 15 infantry every time.

>>53664177
The 8e isn't officially launch yet.

>>53663434

Those are some nice fucking beakies.

>a random bunch of AoBR Orks

From the sound of it I would put money on those being the dude's only Ork models.

What a douche.

>>53664113
sure where will he place them with 150 conscripts flooding the board.

>>53664183

>Not to shove my dick into your sausagefest, but personally I think that the complaint that "WOOOOW Knights can die to no anti-armor" is perfectly met by "WOOOW you didn't even bring snipers."

Well then you're a fucking idiot.
Knights, baneblades, and other super heavies should not need help from others to avoid being killed by lasguns.
FULL STOP

>its a new guard book is released and all the guard fags talk about how great conscripts are and how they're going to take over the meta
>it never happens

how many times does this happen. like every single fucking imperial codex.

>>53664225
That's not what fluff or the rulebook says. Full stop, I guess.

>>53664183
This. This is why I said Knights would be bottom tier this edition.

Combined arms is necessary to win. You need characters with buffs. You need infantry blobs to screen them. You need snipers to handle the screens. You need transports to race to objectives and block the enemy blobs movement. You need heavy weapons that can crack transports. You need deep striking kill teams to pick off your enemies heavy weapons.

If you don't have a little of everything you're going to fucking die in this edition.

>>53664099

>vindicares cost 3 times as much as a commissar

I think at this point the memes have gone to your head if you think that's an appropriate response to "all someone has to do is to kill your commissars for your meme list to end"

Like I understand you're upset but take a breath and realize hard counters to conscript spam exist.

>>53664113

and samefagging with a non witty signature really isn't helping

And I thought this was 150 conscript blobs each with their own commissar, company commander and platoon commander? Are you just going to fill the rest of your slots with commissars?

I encourage you to build this army and bring it to game night so that its merits can be tested

As far as practical applications go, I don't really care about corner cases like 1000 brimstones unless they actually happen

>>53664195

You don't understand the argument, dipshit.
Nobody is upset that they have a chance to damage superheavies.
The problem is that their chance is so good relative to their point cost, that it is fucking meta on paper.

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>>53662695
Are sisters of Silence any good? And now that they've been split in 3 seperate units, which is the best to use? And what armies do they work well with?

>>53664172
Sell hard copies of the datasheets and include exclusive detachments for each faction a la battletomes

>>53664231
I found 50 conscripts behind an aegis playing up-downs for that 2+ cover was really effective and semi-common. The day someone hunkers down and buys/paints 300 guardsmen will be a grand day though. Imagine being able to leave the store, grab a meal, eat it, come back and your opponent still hasn't finished moving his models.

>>53664231
The last 3-4 Guard Codexes to come out were using basically the same core ruleset.

Now Sweeping Advance is gone, blast markers are gone, small arms don't ignore their armour saves, and capping objectives is entirely based around quantity, not quality, of models. Oh and we're back to defender allocates wounds and removes models. Among other things.

>>53664225
Fluff seems to say otherwise, and it's also fairly thematic. Destroying a super-heavy with lasguns is no small feat given the number of models that need to be coordinated. If the player can pull it off, and their opponent has no way to disrupt their organization (via sniping commissars, using pseudo-templates like from bombers, etc.), then I think it's fine for the IG to tear that Knight apart.

>>53664234

>That's not what fluff
Show me in the fluff where lasguns are a serious threat to baneblades to the point where at close range the baneblade gets raped by them

>or the rulebook says. Full stop, I guess.
Are you being intentionally retarded??
OF COURSE THE RULE BOOK SAYS THIS
I AM SAYING THE RULES ARE SHIT
HOLY FUCK

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>>53663166

Why are those two Chaos factions fighting each other?

Is "Try again" anon Mortaranon?

>>53664248
You're arguing with like 3 different guys, anon.

To be fair I think there's also another guy arguing on your side? But either way this isn't just one dude samefagging.

>>53663887

You realize this is literally what happens when someone fields 500 models against an all knight army in 7th too right?

Not the killing them part but the blobbing and winning objectives part

>>53664297
No, I don't think so. What's "try again"?

>>53664248

At least try to bring an actual argument, instead of just being an obviously upset passive aggresive bitch.
It's tiresome.

>Like I understand you're upset but take a breath and realize hard counters to conscript spam exist.
The best counter to conscript spam right now is the nearly as stupid mortar spam.

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>>53664199
> 8th edition isn't out yet
We managed to get a couple test games off with the 8th rulebooks up on the counter. Unfortunately the manager put a stop to us and explained that upper-management has threatened to fire the employees if they allow people to play 8th edition early(something about "people might get the rules wrong, and therefore would have a wrong first impression".

In other news, IN ADDITION to the butthurt tau player literally giving away his entire collection, the store manager was forced to give away the store's bitz box by upper management. I asked him about it, and everyone was allowed to take what they wanted from the box. Then when the store closed, I picked up the entire box and took it to my car.

>>53664303

I'm sure there are a few guys on the other side but that's pretty clearly the same dude

>>53664311

What's passive aggressive about saying this shit will never happen in real life? You're bursting a blood vessel over literally nothing

>>53664242
>>53664248
>>53664249
Seems like the real point is that pure knight armies are no longer competitive. Which is what most people wanted, right?

>>53664272

You have some real ass brain defects, my dude.
Or maybe I just missed the part in that baneblade novel where they got raped by traitor guard lasgun spam.

>>53664318
Oh man, I shouldn't feel the tingle of sexual arousal looking at a box full of polystyrene...

...but I do.

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>>53664318
>butthurt tau player again
Loving every laugh.

>>53664342

"Pure knight" armies end up being 3 knights plus 1 gallant gimp, which wouldn't be all that great in 7th either

They're pretty decent opponents against most casual lists but aren't super skewy anymore thankfully

As a guy who owns 3 knights I'm actually really happy that I can bring all three and not ruin somebodies evening

>>53664335

Playing dumb isn't exactly a stellar way to win an argument.
At least I hope you're pretending.
I would actually be so fucking relieved on behalf of the human race if you admitted that to me right now.

This argument has devolved into going literally nowhere. I think we all need to admit none of us knows what we're talking about until there are actual battle reports with in-game evidence. But there are probably a couple constructive conclusions we can draw from the whole ordeal:

>take snipers
>have a way to deal with hordes

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>>53664372

You're scatterbike eldar fag from yesterday aren't you

>>53664378
>have a way to deal with hordes
I honestly appreciate that this is a consideration now. Now when list-building you don't only have to worry about things like heavy infantry or tanks, but taking actual anti-infantry is now important.

>>53664318
Holy shit anon. That looks like my Tyranids bits box. Speaking of which, got any gribbly bits in there?

What are the stats of an 8e multi melta? I have a tiny amount of Chaos and was wondering how my little 8$ DV hellbrute is gonna do

>>53664378

As already mentioned multiple times, snipers are not a points effective way of dealing with commissars.
They're too cheap and have too many wounds.

As also mentioned, a baneblade should not get utterly dominated by conscripts just for not bringing sniper to support it.

>>53664378
Doesn't work on Orks. Only way is to kill boyz.

>>53664395
I already raided it earlier for some Carnifex/hive tyrant heads, but I'm sure it has yet more gribblie stuff. My original intention was to chain up a severed carnifex head to a rhino of some kind, or make gribbly corpses into terrain pieces.

>>53664363
>As a guy who owns 3 knights I'm actually really happy that I can bring all three and not ruin somebodies evening

But anon, what about the poor guy who now can't bring his 500 conscripts without feeling guilty

>>53664389

Nope, thanks for the meme tho
Love gondolas

>>53664404
You realize tanks that were unsupported by infantry also got dominated by infantry IRL?

>>53664172
Same way they do it with AoS. The datasheets/warscrolls themselves are free, it's the point system and special rules (special formations and relics, if they still exist) you end up paying for.

>>53664404
>points effective
kill commissar, then kill conscripts at double the rate, doesn't that make the vindicare effective ?

>>53663477
Well they can't be insta killed anymore so there's that in their favor

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>>53664378
>the first army I ever built and fluffed, the Dioclemese Rangers, was based around snipers, artillery, and mortars in 7th Edition
>This army won't be miserably awful in 8th

>>53663712
I hate this aura rule, because it means that meks can't repair trukks when embarked inside them.

>>53664407
Being able to snipe out painboyz and the waaagh banner guy is still useful as fuck.

>>53664416

You say that as a joke, but you can easily fit that many into a 2000 point army.

>>53664416
when did he ever not feel guilty about taking a hour to do each of his turns?

>>53664318
>the butthurt tau player literally giving away his entire collection
raging over temporary rules that'll be replaced in like the next few years. I'm embarrassed to be apart of this player base.

>forced to give away the store's bitz box by upper management
but why?

Hey guys, opinions on this BA list? I tried to strike a balance between being all drop-strike and having some decent shooting. 2000 points.

Vanguard detachment:
HQ Chaplain with pack: 90

ELITE 10x Death company w Jump packs (5 Thunderhammers) : 300pts
ELITE 10x Death company w Jump packs (bolt pistols,chainswords) : 200pts

ELITE 10x Vanguard vets w Jump packs (stormshields and Chainswords, 1 power sword): 234pts

ELITE 5x Company veterans w Jump packs(meltaguns,3x stormshields 2x chainswords): 195 pts

TROOP 10x Tactical marines (heavy flamer, flamer ,hand flamer, storm bolter, 7xboltguns): 166pts
DT 1x Rhino. 72pts

HS 5x Devastators (4 heavy flamers, 1 boltgun): 133pts
DT 1x Razorback (twin heavy flamer): 99pts

Supreme Command Detachment:

HQ Librarian w Jump pack (force sword):128 pts
HQ The Sanguinor : 170pts
HQ Sanguinary priest w jump pack (Chainsword, Bolt pistol): 86pts
HQ Captain w jump pack (Combi-melta, Storm shield) :127 pts

Incidentally, do units that are embarked on transports count as "on the field" for the purposes of the Matched Play rule about minimum units on table?

>>53664403
24"
Heavy 1
S8
AP -4
D6
If the target is within half range of this weapon, roll two dice when inflicting damage and discard the lowest result.

>>53664404

>not a points efficient way of dealing with commissars

A) they're the literal only way of dealing with commissars, so by definition they're the most points efficient

B) 500 points of ratlings will kill 7 commissars per turn, 5 per turn if they're in cover. The other 1500 points of your army can kill conscripts fine

Genestealer Cultist bodies plus Beastmen heads/arms, decent Chaos cultists?

>>53664428

At point blank range, yes.
Not with their fucking rifles.

>>53664432

>kill commissar
You can buy 3 commissars for the cost of a vindicare, and the vindicare takes about 2-3 turns to kill one commissar.
They can shoot at commissars unimpeded for 6 turns and probably still won't recuperate their points.

>>53664458
>embarassed to be apart of it
would you rather be a part of it?

>>53664450
That's realistic though. Usually you can't repair a damaged vehicle from the inside, you have to hop out and get at the damaged bits that aren't easily accessible from passenger seats.

>>53664478
You'll have to file and shave off all the wyrmform icons and replace them with chaos stars or something.

>>53664445
> Dat feel when my huge collection of Raptors Sternguard and Scout Snipers is actually viable in 8th edition, and even hard-counters the top-tier spam armies.

>>53664458
Something about liability. His upper manager somehow claimed that the box was a choking hazard for small children, or maybe a pricking hazard. Because the store can get sued if someone pricks their finger on some tiny-ass piece of plastic.

>>53664494
But what I mean is that if you were to assess the value of the vindicare, you can't just include the pts value of the commissar he directly kills, you should also the include all the conscipts which got battleshocked because of the dead commissars.

>>53664501
I do like the realism, and if it could be done by getting the mek out at the end of the vehicle move it would be tactically okay. But as is the mek must finish the movement phase within 1" of the vehicle, so you have limit the vehicle movement to within the 5+d6" advance of the mek. All for the sake of a little realism when a big mek on bike can repair a trukk while driving alongside it at max speed.

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>>53664445
That commissar is entirely too sexy for her own good.

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>>53664552
Oh?

>>53664474

>A) they're the literal only way of dealing with commissars,
Wrong

>so by definition they're the most points efficient
Even if that is true, and lets assume it is,
There's a difference between something being points efficient, and something being the most points efficient.
What I meant by that statement was that vindicares on average don't recuperate their points after shooting commissars for 6 turns.

>B) 500 points of ratlings will kill 7 commissars per turn, 5 per turn if they're in cover. The other 1500 points of your army can kill conscripts fine
500 points of units dedicated anti character units which are super squishy can take out an entire 210 points of characters in one turn? Amazing.
Better hope those 36" weapons stay at least 24" from the front of the unit they're shooting at (commissar will obviously be at the back)

>>53664018
So Scythes on Lychguard still not worth?

>>53664570
Hard to say. Necron Anti-armour took a nasty hit with the new edition; it depends on how close you think you can get them to tanks. With a night scythe, it may be worth it - I just prefer other ways, because I can pair a Giant Mechanical Spider with a Doomsday Cannon and a Death Ray, and why would I ever not do that?

>>53664052
Loving the magazine placement on those old bolters.
Some things never change.

>>53664525

No, you're still not getting it.
If the enemy has say 180 points of vindicares, you could take 180 points of commissars, and actually come out ahead in that exchange.
You probably couldn't fit that many in an foc.
Or just say fuck it, and get 180 more points of conscripts, because even with those 4 vindicares, your commissars will still have plenty of usefulness throughout the game.

So, here's the deal.

I hate the way my tactical marines turned out now. The coat's uneven, moldline show through, the motherfucking DA shoulders I bought from FW look like shit, and they're painted as DA and not Angels of Absolution.

How long should I soak them and what should I soak them in so that all the paint comes off no problem? Problem is, a lot of the torsos and heads are resin also. Should I say fuck it, ruin them, and pony up for new ones (they look hell of gangster) or should I try and preserve them as best I can?

Basically, what should I soak models in to strip them clean and break down the glue, and what should I do to strip resin parts as clean as possible?

>>53664557
wait its easy for you to have 150 conscripts within 12" of a knight, but hard to have 500 points of ratlings able to target 7 commisars?

now do you see why this sort of vacuum testing is point less?

because it all comes down to the movement phase and the terrain.

and honestly don't take what might be unbeatable. take what you want to take.

if you want to take 500 conscripts in a 200pt match. go ahead.

i'm not going to stop you, but you better bring me a book to read while its your movement phase.

Am I crazy to think that warbuggies are pretty good? They're 72 points for a reliable outlfanking 2 shot BS5+ S8 AP-2 D3 on a T5 W5 platform. Kanz are 1 shot BS4+ rokkit platforms for 63 points at the same T and W, but moving only 6" compared to the buggy's 14". You can spend 5 more points to make it a wartrakk and give it T6 and 12" move. Sure, kanz are better in close combat, but they were better used shooting anyway.

>>53664494
Tau Sniper Drones, when supported by a Firesight Marksman and a Commander w/DC, hit on a 3+, with 48" Rapid Fire 1 S5, AP-, D1 and cost 18pts a pop.

Commissars are S3, W3, Sv 5+ and costs 30pts.

2/3 shots hit, 2/3 hits wound, 2/3 wounds get past armor, for an average of 8/27 wounds per shot, or 8/27 wounds per turn per drone at 48", or 16/27 wounds per drone at 24". Drones are taken in units of 3-9. A full unit of sniper drones thus is capable of killing about one commissar a turn at full range, or just shy of two at half range. While the cost isn't super great, it's still easily worth the value if you as a result successfully cripple their morale as a result.

Or you take something like the Sunshark Bomber which will straight-up kill 1/3rd of any conscript unit it bombs each turn.

>>53664598
It's like the britbongs who designed the original marines had never seen a firearm in their entire life.

>>53664318
If your story is true about the Tau player, it's just one more example of our hobby being full of manchildren ready to throw a temper tantrum when things don't go their way.

I guess I should hardly be surprised since we are, in fact, playing with toy soldiers. But one would think we'd be a little more dignified about it.

>>53664606
I'm not going to reply to you until you actually take 10 seconds to read my post, comprehend what was said, understand why what you just said was stupid, and make a fresh attempt.

I'm concerned about how Tyranids will handle 5000 conscripts. We don't have any snipers.

I suppose we could just ram 60 point gargoyle squads into them. The gargoyles move 12" make them hit on 6s, and even them attacking twice won't kill all 10 in one turn.

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>>53663135

>>53664606
>500 conscripts
My 200 ork boys with a deffdread and 3 killa trashcans would turn 500 conscripts into paste easy.

Zero contest whatsoever.

>>53664557

So you're not going to admit that by skewing with snipers you can defeat a conscript army on turn 2 after all their commissars are dead. You're just going to get really mad.

>>53664599

It's not a crazy idea (although vindicares aren't the ones to do it, sniper units are) since while commissars are cheap, once they're dead the other 1500 points of conscripts are absolutely worthless and will evaporate, giving a global points advantage even if the literal killing of the commissar doesn't do it

>>53664645

This is like talking to a frantic woman, you're so focused on being upset that you can't emotionally devest yourself of the situation.

I hope you quit 40k because of this, your life may improve

>>53664599
Let's say 1 vindicare kills 2 commissars in a game.
That lets your anti-horde units churn through 2 squads of conscripts at twice the rate due to battle shock. If those were even 30 man squads, that means that since your vindicare was there, and killed those commissars, your opponent took an extra 30 conscripts (90 pts) off the board.
Additionally your vindicare now threatens conscript commissar combos across the board, applying pressure on your opponent to be less aggressive with them, that has value too.

>>53664557
>>53664474
Just to... throw it out there, one squad of 9 ratlings statistically kills one commissar a turn (exactly 3 wounds against T3, 5+). That's 63 pts and would require two rounds at full strength to make their points back by killing commissars or company commanders. At 36" away, deploying in cover, and the ability to shoot and then move 6" out of sight, they can likely ensure that much.

Just, you know, an alternative to my boy the vindi or the odd "500 points of ratlings."

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>>53664604
If you live in the states, Castrol Super Clean. Wear gloves with it, it can burn your skin if it gets on there and stays on.

I'm PRETTY sure this works just fine on resin, I know for a fact it doesn't harm the plastics one bit, and you only need an overnight soak.

>>53664653
30 boyz with +1A from green tide, +1A from weirdboy and within range of a waaagh banner expect to kill ~55 conscripts per round in close combat. That being said, good luck with getting through screening units, overwatch, fall back maneuvers and frfsrf.

>>53664629

>not factoring in the costs of the buffs they're getting
>considers 162 points of models plus buff worth of shooting to kill a 30 point model to be a good trade

Just fucking stop.
Guard are broken. They need to be fixed.
Being retarded on the internet is NOT how you get GW to fix this, and that's what pisses me off the most.
You morons do the most insane mental gymnastics to defend obviously broken shit, which in turns means it remains broken, and can continue to ruin shit.
Fuck yourself.

I can't find the rules anywhere, but what do you do if a unit is made up of guys with more then one T value?

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>>53664688
Forgot image.

>>53664695

Please quit, you're obviously a troubled individual and this is not worth how upset you're getting over it

>>53664685
What do i do if i have turned my back on the Emperor?

>>53664629
Bomber hits cap at 10. They suck against really big blobs, they're great against stuff like tactical marine squads.

>>53664693
Canuck, but I'll talk to my roomate, dude's a mad gearhead so he'll know a place.

And I'm not worried about ABS. Everything protects it and I kinda like filing the blood drops of BA shit in case a piece gets all fucked up.

June 6th, 2017: the day anon got really, really mad about green army men.

>>53664709

I'm not mad at 40k, I'm mad at you for being a retard and sabotaging it with your stupidity.
I like 8th edition, and I want it to be the best edition ever. You are actively trying to prevent that.

>>53664694
Good luck killing enough orks for any of that to matter.

Remember, you can't shoot through combat and the green rape train doesn't even know what brakes are.

>>53664728
And every other day that Cadians were the IG standard instead of Tanith, Death Korps, and Jantine.

>>53664710
It's true that sniper units need to be more common in Chaos and Xenos lists. Either that or psychic powers that can target characters more easily.

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>this same autistic sperg that was losing his shit trying to convince people that the "wu tang clan" exploit actually existed is now sperging out again about a bucket of conscripts.

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In 8th edition, is there really a difference between Troops, Elites, etc other than where they fit on the detachments? Or can only Troops score objects and such? I want to buy this box set, but can I start playing right off the bat with it, or do I need troops also?

>>53664698
There's absolutely no clarity yet, which is also a huge fucking problem for IG with their medic and units with mixed wound characteristics like vets with a HWT.

>>53664741
>not Vostroyans, the most John Blanche regiment
I am disappoint in you

>>53664734
Oh, I agree that it's great. I have 60 boyz on my desk waiting to be painted, but it's going to be harder than just walking them up and charging. If all the conscripts and all the boyz were each in one big unit then it would be much simpler. As is there are screening and delaying tactics that will give a large majority of the guard extra shooting while the orks push through.