EDH/Commander General

>>53661004

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>>53661026

I got 1.99 after buying Steelshaper's Gift. What do I get for a Boros deck that's 2 bucks or less?

>>53660984
>How would you change the color pie for the better?
Remove blue.

>>53661096
what's the deck, and what are you missing?

>>53661026
Look at all this rectal ravage that people didn't find your idea cute or novel. You even had to resort to the classic "I'm not poor" argument. Did you really need to kick this general off with your manbaby fit?

>>53660984
>>How would you change the color pie for the better?

give red something that makes them less of a "i will never need to worry about this guy"

>>53661113
i'm pretty sure it's elaborate bait

>>53661016
The deck doesn't need them. And I have decks that do have them. I use them as necessary.

>>53661047
How are you still being a little faggot, little Timmy? Do you crave attention? Is it your pleasure in life to cause negative reactions? Go finger your butthole elsewhere, little Timmy.

>>53661110
Aurelia, not certain on a theme just yet. Mostly getting good stuff and secret tech.

>>53661148
confirmed bait

>>53661154
Krenko, even without any other goblins, can be pretty cool in an Aurelia deck. he can tap twice in a turn thanks to Aurelia's untap which leads to a pretty sizable army of goblins after a few turns.

>>53661160
No, you just need to stop being a faggot, little Timmy.

If you don't have suggestions for cards to add in or take out, then why comment at all? Oh? What's that? You're reason for doing so is because little Timmy is a basic bitch? Yeah, I agree with you there, little Timmy.

>>53661105
i think you could simply balance counter magic better. rather than putting a card into a graveyard more blue spells could tuck cards into players libraries or exile them temporarily. in this way blue could still control the flow of the game without having what amounts to preemptive removal. the game of magic has been shifting towards creatures more and more over the years and i think blue could really shine with large leviathan style finishing creatures.

>>53661199
ok

>>53661199
why are you even in the edh thread if you hate timmies

>>53661160
Dude, he's playing with fucking guildgates. Of course it was bait.

White - 13
Red - 12
Blue - 10
Black - 10
Green - 10
Gruul - 5
Dimir - 4
Orzhov - 4
Simic - 3
Selesnya - 3
Azorius - 3
Izzet - 3
Golgari - 3
Boros - 2
Rakdos - 2
Colorless - 2
Grixis - 2
Temur - 1
Bant - 1

The real problem with Planeswalker EDH.

>>53661137
Same guy, as far as I can tell: >>53654306

It's bait

>>53660984
>How would you change the color pie for the better?

A little while ago they decided that green should be able to remove creatures and gave it fight, which is a very green way to remove creatures.

I think they should do the same thing for all colors and all permanent types. It's pretty obnoxious that green and white can do everything, and colors like red and black get boned. They should just make very red or black ways of dealing with those permanents.

Imagine something like this:
RR
Red enchantment removal
Sorcery
Destroy target enchantment you don't control chosen at random.
Or maybe something like
Destroy 2 enchantments, chosen at random.

Black could get similar removal for artifacts and enchantments by paying life, sacrificing creatures, or discarding cards.

Something like
BBB
Black removal spell
Instant
As an additional cost to cast~, sacrifice X creatures, pay X life, and discard X cards.
Destroy X target permanents.

We could have stuff like this instead of red and black asking the other colors why their mom lets them have two weiners

>>53661329
what's white got for solid card draw besides mentor of the meek?

>>53661303
Wow what a fag. Doesn't have anything better to do than try to mess with good old /tg/.

I've got Sunforger, Rogue's Gloves, Lightning Greaves, Swiftfoot Boots, Sword of Vengance, and Scytheclaw as far as EDH playable equipment is concerned. Also have a Sword of the Animist on the way.

Got Godo, Open the Armory, and Steelshaper's gift on the way aswell, for my tutors. What are your suggestions for my equipment package?

>>53661215
*swoosh* Right over your head. Not that type of Timmy.

>>53661240
Except gates can be tutored for. So, if so need a specific color or color combination, boom. Also, I direct you to Amulet of Vigor.

>>53661303
And no. It's not bait. If you have suggestions, make them. If you don't, then why waste your time with the response? It's quite easy. Help or don't be a faggot. Either of those will be fine.

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>>53661409
It can make other colors just as useless.

>>53661409
Land tax, SRAM, wall of omens, stone forge mystic, recruiter of the guard, etc.

>>53661431
argentum armor is pretty sweet, especially with extra combat steps. i'd recommend putting one in.

>>53661443
Gates can be tutored with what? Vampiric Tutor? Look at the cards again, they don't have both land types like shocks.

>>53661329
i like the red one well enough. the black is too broad.

>how about:
BB
sorcery
sacrifice any number of creatures you control. target player sacrifices an enchantment or artifact they control for each creature sacrificed in this way.

>>53661409
mesa enchantress/kor spirit dancer. you have a good point though.

>>53661177
>suggestion for god tribal deck

>>53661493
>Time Spiral nostalgia

>>53661409
Sram-0s.

>>53659912
Biting

Most obvious thing is your land base is absolute trash. Maze's End + Gates is never going to happen in EDH unless you go hard on land tutoring, and most of yours are restricted to basics or basic types. You should probably also remove terramorphic expanse and evolving wilds as you have better options for filtering. If you really have money, get rid of the cycling lands too. Drop them, trade for fetches/shocks as budget allows. I strongly suggest filterlands and bouncelands as budget options.

Captain Sisay isn't particularly useful when you're in five-color and mostly tutoring for enchantment creatures with it. You're wasting most of the potential of As Foretold, I suggest dropping that as well. Chromanticore, the Vows, and Furor of the Bitten are also just bad cards, drop 'em. I have no idea what you intend to cast gift of immortality on when most of the deck is indestructible.

>>53661443
>Help or don't be a faggot
Nigger where the fuck do you think you are

>>53661577
that's a very silly deck, i've seen it in action. i think it might be the absolute best monowhite deck you can make.

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>>53660984
>Thread Question
How would you change the color pie for the better?
Give red more interaction on the stack. They already have Forks but should be given a red Misdirection or even something a little stronger. I'd like to see a new card printed that can actually compete with Force of Will like a color shifted red Misdirection, even though it's not quite good enough.

Something like a red Misdirection that can also counter an artifact would be great for the game. Red used to be able to counter spells with Red Blast and Artifact Blast.

>>53661480
I actually have a copy lying around, I think.

>>53661636
it's one of those cards that everyone has but a lot of people leave out. it's a pretty sweet card.

>>53661593
>things to consider adding
Wraths, lots of them. You dodge 'em and you're gonna get steamrolled by tokens otherwise.
Ghostly Prison-style cards. Also helps with token spam.
Mirri's Guile/Sylvan Library are great in enchantment-heavy decks.
Absolutely include Academy Rector if you can afford it.
Green Sun's Zenith and Worldly Tutor are probably your best options for tutors, but tutors in EDH are excellent in general.
Anything else on this could probably help you: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/list-of-edh-staples-and-power-cards/

>>53661596
It is, but honestly? It'd be better if you could splash red for grapeshot.

>>53661703
i think even storm decks with red run aetherflux over grapeshot though

>>53661668
So what else do I add?

>>53661703
That is literally the whole deck though. Mox Opal means any colors you want, nigga.

>>53661747
uhh

steel hellkite?

>>53661750
... how are you playing a red card in a monowhite commander?

>>53661750
what do you mean

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>>53661500

>>53661431
Mirran Swords, Tenza, Nim Deathmantle, and Blade of Selves

You better build Godo, fucker

>>53661739
Maybe, but Aetherflux gets hosed by more things than grapeshot

>>53661546
What does that post have to do with my deck?

>>53661854
monastery mentor and aetherflux seem like they're enough

>>53661773
>>53661775
Did that guy mean playing Sram-0s in EDH? What the fuck? How? There's barely enough 0 cost artifacts to fill half a deck.

>>53661851
I'm playing Aurelia, though I am running Godo in the 99.

>>53661873
They're reversed, sorry. Also you really should not use Maze's End and gates in a 5 color deck unless you intend to win with them.

For a budget manabase for 5 colors you'd be much better off using the vivid lands from Lorwyn, all 10 trilands, City of Brass, and Mana Confluence.

>>53661847
That is a single card, it's not going to help you in EDH. Buy fetches already you poorfag.

>>53661895
krark-clan ironworks and 1-drop equipment go into the deck too. i goldfished a bit, it's super easy to get a giant voltron sram really quick. you also play just good equipment like the mirrodin swords and loxodon warhammer.

>>53661895
Sram-0s is nuts in EDH, what are you talking about?

>>53661912
Godo is more fun

>>53661923
>Vivid lands
>City of Brass, Mana Confluence
I'm >>53661593 Forgot to mention those. Seconding hard. The five-color ones should be a no-brainer.

>>53661952
That sounds pretty cool, I wish someone in my LGS played it.

>>53661958
I assumed when that guy brought up Sram-0s that he was answering >>53661409 in a more general sense, not just for EDH. Sometimes Magic still surprises me.

>>53661962
I can still have fun piloting Aurelia.

What's more fun, Endrek Sahr "sacrifice fucking everything" or Kokusho reanimator?

>>53662120
Endrek Sahr is awesome

>>53662120
their deaths will be quick and painless with kokusho. endrek sahr will make them suffer.

>>53662120
Ghoulcaller Gisa.

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>>53660984
Change the color pie?

>>53662197
aw fuck yeah. phyrexian dreadnought to explode 24 power of creatures into play for 2 mana.

>>53661593
I might cut back on Gates for basics. Fetches for Shocks are just a good way for deck thinning. And they work well in decks that try to hit particular cards.

The only card I care to actually get is Zur. So, meh. And Gift of Immortality is in there for him if I need to tutor for it.

The Vows/Suit are a nifty way to get my opponents to bash each other's faces in with my Commander.

And I put Expanse/Wilds in there because I just happen to have them on hand.

I rarely trade my cards away. If I need something, I just typically buy it.

The bounce duals are nifty and everything, but meh. If I don't happen to need any more lands, I can just ditch a cycling land to draw a card.

But, I do see where you are going with all of this. And I do appreciate the help. These are just reasons/method of why I am using the cards being questioned.

And remember, Sisay tutors for a legendary card. Not just a creature. But, in this instance I would mostly be tutoring for Zur or any of the Gods. And being able to potentially get multiple uses out of her is great.

Also, where do I think I am? Not on /b/, that's where.

>>53661682
I thought about putting in Sylvan Library, but we'll see. I might end up getting it after all.

And as for Mirri's Guile, that's a pretty good card. Didn't even know it existed. Which is kind of funny since I got into MtG back in '97. But, I don't know what I would cut for it.

And I feel like Green Zenith would just be redundant as the creature I'd like to search for most would be Zur. And as for Wordly Tutor, I also don't know what I would take out for it.

And again, I appreciate the suggestions.

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>>53662249

I want to run Daretti in the 99 of my Aurelia deck. I think he'd synergize well with all the equipment I'm running.

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>>53661409
There's this guy too, I guess.

anyone here ever make a general tazri deck? seems like some cheap fun

>>53662464
It's actually the fastest deck in the format.

It's pretty popular.

>>53661923
Man. I completely forgot about all of those lands. City of Brass is actually surprising that I forgot all about it. I still might have a playset of them somewhere.

>>53662424
Oh, neat, that'll do wonders in my Ayli deck.

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>>53662424
Here's a mana rock that makes clue tokens.

>>53662599

>effectively 7 mana per draw

yikes

>>53662650
It give card draw late game (plus you can sac the clues with Daretti and whatnot)

>>53662534
Does your Ayli have Necropotence?

>>53661409

I have a WB enchantment deck and the white only card draw I use include Oblation (can work for you or against others), Forsake the Worldly (same as before), and Mesa Enchantress (very niche use for enchantment decks only, really).

>>53663052
No but it does have Land tax and Phyrexian arena.

>>53663184
I recommend Necropotence, if you can spare the maximum $10. It can turn into an on-the-spot win if unanswered. Draw 30 cards on turn 3? Hot damn.

>>53663214
I run it in Rakdos but as I'm playing Cleric tribal there's little point to me hyper-digging through the deck as I'm not running any blatant infinite wincons.

I kind of want to try a castlevania themed deck full of skeletons, demons, and vampires (or maybe just the commander) aside from both inmistrad blocks, what are some good cards to add? Or a good commander to use?

Group says they want to take break to make some decks that can compete with my gitrog deck, is it actually that overpowered or am I playing with scrubs?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-bffbig-freakin-frog/
>>53663243
Lord of Tresserhorn, Thraximundar, or that grixis vampire that isn't Jeleva

>>53663496
Your deck is good, but not oppressively good. They need to find better synergy in their decks and more consistent answers that don't specifically target your deck.

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This seems like a cheeky way around those pesky board wipes.

>>53663496
Garza Zol, W H Y Queen.

>>53663243
Baron sengir. Go look at The Dark, the original horror themed set

>>53663820
Looks good thanks. Now I kind of want to make two decks; one for dracula, and one for alucard with Vish Kal any maybe a bunch of sword artifacts

>>53663865
Sounds neato, friend

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>>53663865

That sounds fun.

>>53663792
Yeah it's a good deterrent. There is tension though because the anthem effect is so good with tokens but the exile protection doesn't work on tokens.

>>53664050
Well I'm not really running a token strategy, so that little downside won't affect me too much.

>>53662424
don't forget, Anointed Procession doubles Clues as well!

>>53664269
A fucking godsend of a card in my Daxos, the Returned deck.

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>>53664298
>Anointed Procession + Endless Ranks of the Dead
whycantiholdallthesezombies.tiff

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>playing 3 player
>Jhoira is my commander
>bide time
>people set up
>person next to me is about to end their turn
>suspend enter the infinite
>copy mark of fury with echo mage
>enter the infinite at instant speed
>draw my last card on my turn
>wish I had lab maniac
>mana vault paradox engine into spawnsire of ulamog
>shit out the eldrazi
>mass hysteria
>annihilate 30
>leave 1 guy alive cause he hasn't attacked me much
>discard 70+ card hand
>temporal timepiece it all back
Izzet cancer?

>>53660984
>thread question
I'd give other colors more cards that can interact with the stack in some way.

>>53664414
Why doesn't white have conditional counterspells? All of their removal is quite conditional, or gives something to the opponent, so why can't the same happen with counters?

>>53664463
mana tithe

>>53664475
Dude I love mana tithe but it's one card, only playable because it's colourshifted.

>>53664364
That sounds like every combo deck ever tho

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>>53664505
Lapse of certainty, dawn charm, rebuff the wicked, illumination

>>53664582
frontline medic, equinox, order of the sacred torch, unyaro griffin, vigilant martyr

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>>53664610
and lest we forget

Why are there no blue counterspells?

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>>53664679

>>53664679
lul idk

>play out hazoret
>play out pyrohemia
>play out glacial chasm
>spend the next 10 turns doing 4 dmg to all my opponents
>win

wow

>>53664770
Did they actually just do nothing?

>>53664995
They were all monoR

>>53665081
They were asking for it.

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>>53665081
>They were all monoR

That's no excuse.
And that's not even getting onto the subject of the million ways they could've killed Chasm.

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>>53665081
>implying that means anything

>>53665176
>only one of these is less than 7 mana to use
wew

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>>53665197
>Daretti
>having any chance against pyrohemia

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>>53665205
>Having trouble getting mana in Mono Color

>>53665205
He said their game took 10 turns after...

If nobody has a card to answer that isn't even one of the ones from >>53665176 then there are some serious problems with their decks.

>>53665241
>Doubling the Mana of the person crushing you

>>53665205
>what is Extraplanar Lens
>what is Caged Sun

>>53665254
Double mana doesn't mean shit if you resolve an Ugin.

>>53665276
They obviously didn't.

Stupid question time. I have Kaalia of the Vast. When she cheats in creatures, does it count as casting from my hand?

I'm trying to build a list of all the ETB effects that I would find useful and some of them have the "when cast from your hand" condition.

>>53665296
no, they aren't cast

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>>53665295
Well maybe... just maybe... they should've

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>>53665220
Even if you don't kill the Pyrohemia, Daretti should have anti-combo tech that covers the situation.

>>53665314
I mean...

>>53665306
Damn, I was hoping that wasn't the case. Thanks for answering my stupid question anon.

>>53665296
Putting a creature into the battlefield isn't casting it, but it does trigger ETBs.

>>53665314
Since when did The Heart of the Cards work in Magic?

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>>53665343
Watch out for this bitch, she'll shit in Kaalia's mouth all day.

>>53665365
dies to doomblade and lightning bolt

>>53665346
I know that. It's that something like Deathbringer Regent could be very useful. But it's effect states I need to cast it from my hand for the ETB effect to trigger.

>>53665365
Fuck, that is a pretty hard counter. Eh, at least with enough time I can just hard cast everything and it won't stop me from yo-yo'ing critters.

>>53665375
Has Flash. Therefore irrelevant.

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>>53665360
since now

>>53665398
dying to doomblade and lightning bolt is never irrelevant.

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>>53665416

>>53665360
As >>53665245 and >>53665323 said, there are dozens of cards that could've ended the situation beyond the listed ones in >>53665176.

I could understand the situation being "it just didn't happen", but saying "they were all monoR" like that implies it was a hopeless situation is ridiculous. Nobody was playing any land destruction? Nobody else had any damage prevention, like a Glacial Chasm of their own? Nothing that could gain life, like a Wurmcoil?

If it was a one-off thing where miraculously nobody drew anything relevant, fine, otherwise someone's just picking on children.

>>53665444
to add to this, Gamble is a card and isn't the only like itself available for monoR. Good thing to add to any deck for finding answers on the fly if you've none in hand.

>>53665431
Let me put it this way anon. I'm attacking you with Kaalia so I can drop something right into the battlefield that will do something useful for me. You respond with that priest and now I'm not going to drop something useful. I just wasted an attack. Then if I kill it with doomblade or lightning bolt, depending on your colors/cards, you could just revive/protect the fucker so I have to keep wasting removal on it. All the while, I'm not able to cheat in critters. At minimum you will be able to make me waste one attack, which is all that really matters. Heck, if you're smart and respond to the critter entering the battlefield, you can get it exiled. Which means now I've wasted an attack, a critter, and an ETB trigger.

Do you see now why it doesn't really matter that you can kill it with doomblade or lightning bolt? It's akin to saying that Kaalia isn't a threat because "dies to lightning bolt".

>>53665535
>Heck, if you're smart and respond to the critter entering the battlefield, you can get it exiled.

That's not how that works.

>>53665535
Let me put it this way anon, I'll spend 1 or 2 mana to get around one small thing and make them put a lot of extra work in to deal with me while I consistently do my thing.

Dies to doomblade and lightning bolt is never irrelevant.

>>53665587
It works if there is a "when a creature ETBs" trigger... don't think he realized that tho

>>53665628
>"when a creature ETBs" trigger

No it doesn't.
Containment Priest MUST be on the battlefield BEFORE Kaalia's ability is resolved in order to affect the creature Kaalia would put onto the battlefield. If you have allowed Kaalia's controller to resolve the ability and decide to put a creature onto the battlefield, it is 100% too late.

>>53665176

Scour from Existence goes in every deck I make, especially Mono Color decks.

>>53665587
I had a longer response then >>53665628 got it in one. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

>>53665595
Do you play 1v1 or small (under 5 people) groups? Because I play with larger groups and I get focused on hard when I play Kaalia. I can't really afford to waste an attack and/or ETB triggers.

>>53665671
>then >>53665628 got it in one

>>53665628 got it wrong.

>>53665671
If your deck isn't interacting enough and your aggro plan folds to one 2 cmc spell, you shouldn't win

>>53665663
It's a may ability, you can choose after CPriest is in, can't you?

>>53665696
I realized that after I re-read it. Unless I misunderstand the rules another player can respond to me declaring an attack (I attack you with Kaalia) and to Kaalia's effect triggering (when Kaalia attacks I can cheat in a critter). What I've been trying to say is that if you respond to the declaration of an attack, I won't try to cheat in a monster. If you respond to Kaalia's ability triggering, then I've lost my critter and whatever ETB effect it had.

>>53665698
Seriously anon, how large of groups do you play with? I'll admit it could easily be that I'm a crap player with a crap deck in a meta where everyone is crappy with crap decks. But when we have a minimum of 6 players and they're all determined to fuck you up the ass with no lube, wasted actions usually lead to defeat.

>>53665728
Yes. That is exactly correct.
There is never a time where Containment Priest will be able to affect the creature that would be put onto the battlefield where Kaalia's controller does not have the option to chose not to.

There is no window of opportunity where you can trick Kaalia's controller into putting something onto the battlefield and catch it with Containment Priest. All it will ever do is just prevent them from putting anything onto the battlefield.

>>53665771
>minimum of 6 players

That just sounds like a perfectly shitty game to play, waiting 40 minutes between turns.

4 player games, MAYBE 5 player games are fine.

My playgroup was of around 20-25 people, at college. Recently graduated so won't be playing with them much anymore.

>>53665771
>If you respond to Kaalia's ability triggering, then I've lost my critter and whatever ETB effect it had.

Incorrect. You decide whether or not to put a creature onto the battlefield as the ability is resolving, not when the ability goes on the stack. You will always have the option to refuse to put a creature onto the battlefield no matter when Containment Priest was cast.

>>53665812
Eh, even if I get dog piled early on it's still fun to hang out and bullshit. So you usually don't notice how much time it takes between turns. For what it matters, it usually doesn't take 40 minutes to go around the table. More like 20-30 depending on how much combat/combo'ing is going on. 40 min mark is more when someone is doing some huge complicated game winning combo and everyone else is trying to stop it, which is usually rare.

>>53665814
Really? Definitely not as bad as I thought then.

Still a fucking pain in the ass if anyone thinks to use it.

>>53665906
which is what makes doomblade and lightning bolt still relevant. You waste only 1 or 2 mana and a combat while they now have to put more work into getting back their priest...or eat Kaalia's shit

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>>53665812
>tfw playing 6 player games with Planechase

Sometimes I wouldn't even play and just manage the Eternities Map instead.

>>53665935
I'd prefer to use Path or Swords. Exiling is almost always better than killing. But like I said, I still wasted an attack which means I didn't revive/kill/destroy something else.

>>53665944
Planechase never took off in my area. IIRC about the time that Planechase dropped Warmachine took off and everyone was playing Warmachine and Standard. Then when we picked up EDH we tried a couple games of EDH combined with Planechase but we just didn't get the appeal.

>>53666013
oh noes one turn loss... whatevers will u do

>>53665935
I think forcing the Kaalia player to deal with a creature that shuts her down completely for 2 mana in a deck full of fattys is a win for the table.

>>53666028
Well, like I said earlier, usually I lose the game. If there is a turn I'm not actively fucking someone(s) over, it's a turn where I'm getting fucked.

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Does anybody have a list they could share for a 75% Jeleva deck? I'm having a hard time building a strong deck without going full broken

>>53661997
Sram Equipment is super fun. It takes normally mediocre 1-2 cmc equipments and makes them storm you through the deck. Say goodbye to whit'es draw problems

>>53666441
Why don't you want to go full broken?

>>53664770
I know you are lying here because glacial chasm would kill you long before you killed them.

Why would you just make up lies like that on the internet?

Anons, how much does your area conform to the ban list? My group mostly ignores it outside of stupid shit like Chaos Orb.

What would be some good card draw cards to out in a breya deck? I'm trying to upgrade mine a bit and I feel I'm lacking in card draw.

>>53666585
Crunching the math, you're wrong. Glacial Chasm would prevent the damage from Pyrohemia. Between Pyrohemia and Hazoret the Fervent (Hazoret only hurts opponents), you can do 5 damage to every player (and 3 to every creature) each turn. Assuming you have enough mana and cards to discard once each turn and burn everything for 3 with Pyrohemia. Which if you had enough mana to do 5 damage each turn, it would only take you 8 turns. For 10 turns he would have been short a little bit.

It's perfectly possible to do without killing himself.

Can we get some edh green text stories going ?
Here's one that kind of sums up my recent frustrations with edh. sorry if it's long
>move back home for the summer
> get together a bunch of friends back home to form an edh playgroup.
>slightly less competitive than I'm used to but I have some weaker fun decks I like using
>play group starts with just me, my one friend who's sort of new to magic i.e he's played it but just kitchen table/lunch period stuff but he wants to improve, and my other friend who's been playing for about 10 years and has a decent collection even though he's broke but he's a very experienced and fun player.
>have 2 other friends that want to learn how to play. Dan and Scotttly.
> I have extra decks so I let them pick a deck they wanted to use. We also give them a thorough explanation of how to play and gave them cheat sheets.
>show them my decks and I tell them that my breya deck or my vampire tribal deck would be the easiest for them to pick up.
>scotty picks breya but Dan refuses to play vampires.
>dan says he doesn't want an easy deck but he wants my best deck .
>tell him my atraxa superfriends is probably my best but it requires a decent amount of skill to handle and it isn't straightforward.
>Dan doesn't care he just says he wants to win.
>game starts up with the 5 of us.
>Scotty asks questions, pays attention, and even asks for tips and advice to help pick up the game.
>Dan doesn't pay attention, ignores advice, and starts sighing when the game goes past 15 minutes and constantly and obnoxiously checks his watch.
>Dan doesn't play planeswalkers and instead keeps focusing on getting atraxa out. He keeps getting pissed when she gets removed but ignores all of us when we tell him to hold off on her since she now costs 10 to get out and you could be spending that on the 6 cards in your hand.
>gets her out again, she gets removed, and scotty takes him out.
>Dan throws down my cards and shows his hand. (1/2)

>>53666976
>Literally anyone throws the cards I lent them
aaaaand that's it for them. I don't care if it's my friend of 20 years who was my best man, card privileges are gone now.

>>53666976
>reveals hand
>hand has Karn, ugin, tamiyo field researcher, the chain veil, and deepglow skate.
>had enough mana to have been able to cast any of those and deepglow skate which he could have used to ult any of the walkers.
>instead of watching the rest of the game or doing something else he decided to sit in a chair nearby, go on his phone , and start passive aggressively sighing every few minutes until the game ends.
>Scott had fun and Dan was pissed because he thinks the winner won because his deck was more expensive even though the deck Dan used probably costs about $250 more than the deck Mike used.
>all of us get together again but we tell Dan he might want to stay home since we were most likely going to play edh all night.
>he comes anyway because he said " it's better than nothing I guess"
>time to pick decks again .
scotty picks vampires since he wanted to try something different and Dan goes with the atraxa deck again.
> try to teach Dan about some of the better cards in the deck like doubling season, the chain veil, and board wipes. Try to teach him some strategies like "only play deepglow skate if you have a planeswalker on the field to get more value" and "atraxa is meant to support your walkers and should only be played if you have no other option "
>says I'm giving him bad advice because the chain veil seems to be a bad card since it may damage him.
>Try to explain why he's wrong but get ignored.
>Dan plays exactly like last time but completely forgot how the game worked from the night before and refused to look at the short guide we gave him.
>repeat of last game
> Dan gets pissed again and says that multiplayer card games aren't fun because only the most expensive decks win.
> we decide not to invite him to edh anymore but he still shows up if he thinks we're playing because he doesn't want to be left out.

TLDR;
>friend hates magic but still forces himself in out group to play with us

>>53667091
Oh yeah I was pissed especially since my deck had things like
>liliana of the veil
>ugin
>Karn
>jace the mind sculptor
>doubling season
>damnation
>fetches
>shocks
basically just all the good stuff I acquired over the years

>>53666765
Why would you be dumb enough to activate Hazoret when you have Pyrohemia?

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Thinking about building Daxos the Returned.
Would it be outrageous to buy Sanctum just for that?

>>53667234
Unless rules changed you can do X damage to a creature. Then if you hit it with enough -1/-1 (or any -1 that effects defense) you can kill it even if it has "indestructible". I can't recall the exact rule interactions that resulted in that right now, but that's how it worked back in 2011. Which is how I've been playing since all my games after 2011 were the kitchen table variety and I knew the rules the best.

>>53667234
>>53667287
Also you could have other reasons for wanting to discard. I can think of a few.

>>53667287
That is not how it works now, nor is that how it has ever worked. A creature with Indestructible would be put into its owners graveyard when its toughness is 0 or less regardless of the amount of damage that's been dealt to it. It could have 1 or 100 damage marked and it would still need -X/-4 to die. Unless an opponent makes Hazoret lose Indestructible, the amount of damage that's been dealt to her does not matter.

>>53667259

Any deck that costs more than $20 including shipping is tryhard garbage and has no place in EDH.

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>>53667340
I'll keep that in mind.

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>>53667174
>>53666976

Dan is the worst kind of person. Maybe he'd like hearthstone or fps games, seems more his speed. Let him know nobody is forcing him to play, and his company (regardless if he participates in playing) is (it isnt) appreciated.

Keep playing with scotty,and if you come across 50 bucks build him something budget and powerful (fun!) he can call his own (zada comes to mind)

If Dan continues to show up and suck the fun out of matches, politely ask if he can sit out the next couple games. Maybe he can bring a laptop and sit next to you guys or something? Anything but play.

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>>53667340

>>53667340
>not foiling out your commander for 20 bucks
> the deck that you absolutely love to pilot
>the deck you're known for at the shop
>any deck more than 20 bucks is try hard

Motherfucker the sleeves and box for any of my decks comes to 20$ (dragonshields and satin tower)

Any deck that costs less than 20$ is hyperbudget. That's not a bad thing, but calling every other deck "try hard" really makes you seem like a Dan

>>53665944
>once played planechase with 10 people
>one person spitecast wave of vitriol and slaughtered the marath player before dying
>two people went to dinner in between their turns
>one of them was dead before they got back
>it still wasn't his turn
>overall the game lasted over 4 hours
It was a game of legend and glory

So I'm confused. Say I use up all of my mana to cast Bear Umbra, and enchant Scion with it. If I attack, and my lands all untap, and I pay 2 colorless to turn Scion into Hellkite Charger, do I still have the chance to trigger Hellkite Charger's ability that turn?

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>>53667970
forgot pic, my b

>>53667970
No

>>53667970
No

>>53667970
You already declared attackers and tapped them so you hellkite wont trigger

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Why does Rakdos get shit on all the time?
where the fuck are my Rakdos planeswalkers at?
Why do they get none?
Why does Gruul get one back to back to back and they're all fucking terrible?
Fucking hell wizards, what the fuck is wrong with you

>>53668081
Rakdos gets shit on because it is somehow worse than mono red, and much worse than mono black.

Also there aren't any good rakdos generals if you don't play 1v1.

Can Necromancy give you infinite mana with Worldgorger like Animate Dead can?

>>53668330
yes

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>>53668311
I'm trying to make a Neheb deck at the moment
Think I'm just going typical Megrim/Lilliana's Caress into constant discard shenanigans
There are some pretty cool minotaurs at least.
Some REALLY bad ones too though....

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>>53664463

>>53667618

Go play Modern you fucking Spike shit

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>>53664463
And another.

>>53666765
Glacial chasm will kill you in 6 turns though.
So you won't live 8 turns to fuck around

>>53668515
Dawn Charm is such a fucking blowout because no one ever sees it coming.
Same goes for >>53668524

I'm tempted to start running Dash Hopes in my decks but I have enough self control so far

>>53665935
You don't have to waste a combat. When containment priest resolves you get priority, so you can just bolt it then. Then your ability resolves and you choose to put something onto the battlefield.

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>>53664463
Aannnnnnd another.

>>53665728
Even if it weren't a may ability, you still wouldn't have to put anything on the battlefield, since the card gives specifics of the card, in a same way that you can fail to find a land with Crop Rotation even if your deck has plenty of lands left or not find anything with Enlightened Tutor. Only with Demonic Tutor and similar you have to find a card if your library has cards in it.

>>53667340
This is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Mana bases tend to cost more than double this. Shit, might as well play with Gates like the other dude in here. And look how much he got bashed on.

$20. What a fucking joke. Go play pauper.

>>53668675

Sorry that you feel the need to pay to win in a casual format.

>>53668535
What's amusing is casting Lapse on one of their high priced (and hopefully one of their game ender cards) to set them back a turn. Then they cast it again and boom! Dawn Charm or Mana Tithe the shit out of the same spell again.

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>>53668681
Pay to win? Pffsh. I pay to play the cards I like. I don't need my Commander games lasting 3 hours a pop.

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>>53668703

I almost had you.

>>53668681
>poorfags making excuses
It can't be pay to win if everyone has access to every card ever made.
Thanks to the internet and our incomes in my playgroup any card is just a click and overnight shipping away.

Maybe if you spent more time bettering yourself instead of shitposting on a taiwanese basketweaving forum you would have a more disposable income.

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I checked my recent order and saw that I ordered the same card from two different sellers. $.48 well spent I guess.

>>53665444
Because land destruction has been labeled as unfun
Every mono red deck needs blood moon

>>53668874
If you're in a meta where people are playing lands like Glacial Chasm, they can't really be retarded enough to complain about land destruction. As soon as you play a land that can't tap for mana or fetch a land that can, you've pretty much lost the right.

>>53661329
>green and white can do everything
>black get boned
2/10 got me to respond.

What are some good 5 color cards to put in a 5 color deck? And what are some overall good cards to put in too?

>>53667259
If you can spare the money, it's worth it. Also pick up a necropotence if you can.

>>53662464
I've got one. Haven't got to play it yet but goldfishing is neat. It's far from optimized though.

>>53669052
I've got a FtV Necropotence.
Right now I'm torn between getting a few high dollar cards like Greater Auramancy and Replenish, or getting Serra's Sancturm.

>>53669034
>What are some good 5 color cards to put in a 5 color deck?
The commander

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>>53668927
There's this gameshop near me that's supposed to be super competitive in edh but I'm not sure they're actually good at magic because they all have trauma from a krenko deck, one guy never paid upkeep for his chasm, last Saturday when someone cast Admonition Angel and started exiling lands even after I asked if it hit lands and they were surprised when I finally asked to read it a turn later and pointed out the non land clause.
But regardless, the dickhead who played glacial chasm and didn't pay upkeep with it out (I trusted people more back then) said that mass land destruction was terrible.
Tldr, blood moon is love.

>>53661518
That's a bit too powerful, considering black wants to sac and will probably have tokens to sac too.
Maybe something that has to do with the CMC of the target enchantment/artifact would be fairer.

>>53669034
Bringer of the Black Dawn
Bringer of the Blue Dawn
Conflux
Fist of Suns
Legacy Weapon
Maelstrom Archangel
Maelstrom Nexus

>>53669481

>>53669509

>>53669509
I'm not entirely sure how to interpret this.

What is the best card in boros that is 1 dollar?

>>53668736
Oh look. It's another argument conflating "I'm not poor" with "Paying overinflated prices for cards is wise" argument.

>>53669481
Also composite golem if you're into that
And nim deathmantle

>>53669538
I would use all possible jank cards that can't be played in less than 5 colours effectively

phoneposting sucks, really. just want to get it out there.

>>53660984
>How would you change the color pie for the better?
I wouldn't, the issues are in the past not. Present
Though
>Black getting all the cool board wipes
>White getting over costed bullshit
A slight ree

>>53669571
What should I spend my money on, if not on things I like?
>inb4 "the poor" and its just another poorfag asking for money.

>>53661297
>The real problem with Planeswalker EDH
That they suck even in dedicated pw decks?
>Muh doubling season
>Muh atraxa
Even in 1v1 any decent deck is just going to buttfuck a pw deck

>>53669570
Boros Signet
Seriously, people don't realize the best part of being in 2 or more colors is access to MORE SIGNETS
Sunforger is skating just under a dollar and is almost worth playing boros solely for.
Oblation is excellent removal
Slayer's Stronghold is a powerful effect for an extremely reasonable cost.

>>53661619
>A misdirection that threatens
Or rather
>Desertion that only works for that turn/gives haste etc
What would you cost this effect at?

>>53669591
I mean, I guess if you think of it that way, there's also
Allied Strategies
Bring to Light
Collective Restraint
Draco
Evasive Action
Exert Influence
Prismatic Geoscope
Worldly Counsel

>>53661668
>it's a pretty sweet card
Most cards that require an 11 mana investment are...

>>53669645
Statistically speaking for the average person, investment accounts for retirement are probably the wiser use of money but really anything that generates equity is better than dumping sizable portions of your disposible income into hobbies.

>>53669699
Ideally, you avoid paying the casting cost and/or equip cost. Sometimes you're ready and raring to go from just a Quest for the Holy Relic.

>>53664364
>temporal timepiece
I'm sorry, what?

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Hey, what's some fun stuff to use with a Karlov commander? Already stuffing some Extort abilities in the deck.

>>53669734
Perpetual Timepiece.

>>53667259
I did then I hated the deck now I have one just collecting dust

>>53667340
>An edric deck at half that cost can still face roll you into next week
You can't escape the power discrepancy between legends by just reducing the available funds

>>53669748
Blood Artist
Bloodchief Ascension
Campaign of Vengeance
Kambal, Consul of Allocation
Pristine Talisman
Scoured Barrens
Suture Priest
Vampiric Rites
Well of Lost Dreams

>>53669748
Depends what you want to do with it, but any cheap sources of repeated lifegain (soulsisters, pristine talisman, sun droplet). I built him voltron so i like all sorts of equipment bullshit, and free ways to protect him like Shelter.

Whether or not you build him voltron you should put rogues passage and shizo, deaths storehouse in the deck. Its pretty funny to murder people with your land drops.

>>53669801
I don't think you should ever be so up your own ass about lifegain that you use Sun Droplet. Cards that gain you life should ideally be doing something else too. Like I'd prefer to play Suture Priest over Soul Warden because Suture Priest is anti-combo and anti-creature spam tech. Making Karlov big doesn't help you when you're dead.

>>53669694
Is it worth to run Prismatic Omen to turn on Prismatic Geoscope? Also does Prismatic Omen fix mana?

>>53669900
>Is it worth to run Prismatic Omen to turn on Prismatic Geoscope?

Debatable. You're going to need a lot more than just Geoscope to justify it, but it's within the realm of possibility to do so.

>Also does Prismatic Omen fix mana?
Yes. If your lands are all land types, they can tap for any color of mana.

>>53669670
Got the following mana rocks:
Everflowing Chalice
Wayfarer's Bauble
Sol Ring
Fire Diamond
Star Compass
Mind Stone
Thought Vessel
Commander's Sphere
Magnifying Glass
Darksteel Ingot

Also have a Boros Signet on the way (bought a few days ago)

Any reccomendations on my mana rocks? What to put in, what to take out?

>>53669940
Is a 5 color deck that requires heavy fixing by virtue of being 5 color enough to justify Prismatic Omen? Also Legacy Weapon and Fist of Suns seem a bit too expensive for what they do, i don't know if i should keep them or not.

>>53669958
Got Oreskos Explorer and Knight of thr White Orchid as ramp creatures, aswell as Armillary Sphere and maybe Expedition Map.

>>53669995
My Equipment:
Sunforger
Rogue's Gloves
Lightning Greaves
Sword of Vengance
Argentum Armor

Have Sword of the Animist and Loxodon Warhammer on the way.

Have Godo, Steelshaper's Gift, and Open the Armory on the way aswell.

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I want to build an Alesha deck, got any spicy tech?

>>53669969
Fist of Suns is only expensive relative to what you're intending to play with it. If your Commander is Progenitus, for instance, it'll be real nice most of the time.

Legacy Weapon is personal taste. Repeated removal of any permanent is often worth the cost.

>>53670066
No. Every single Alesha deck is exactly the same. There is next to no room for your own ideas.

>>53669958
Fellwar Stone
Coldsteel Heart
I try to avoid 3 cmc rocks unless I really need Lantern or something. Maybe I'm the minority doing that, but tapping out to play a rock on turn 3 feels really bad.

>>53669969
>Is a 5 color deck that requires heavy fixing by virtue of being 5 color enough to justify Prismatic Omen?

Depends on just how heavy. If you're a complete madman and want to cast Divinity of Pride, it may be worth considering. If you're turbo-budget and just can't afford a gold mana base, it can do a lot for you also. If your most stringent requirement is getting the occasional WW for an Austere Command, probably not.

>>53669867
Like I said, I play karl as voltron. I feel you don't understand how fast karl can move as a voltron commander. Sun droplet can contribute to turn 3 kills.

Its very inconsistent, however. Part of that is I built the deck that way on purpose (no black tutors, no combos) I built it as my low power deck, however I really like having the ability to go berserk on someone that brings zur or some shit to casual as fuck table. Doesn't happen all the time, but when it does it feels magical.

>>53660984
Anyone knows a relatively Cheap Oona or Teysa Deck? looking to spend no more than 200 bucks on it but still have Fun*

>>53670153
Wow, that was a really clever joke anon. 10/10 would haha again. ;)

>>53670216
It's no joke though

is planechase fun with commander? someone in my play group wants us all to chip in and buy the anthology

>>53670164
2 coloured deck is pretty easy to do with 200 easily, it can be pretty powerful as well, it's just not as optimised as it can be. For example you'll miss Helm of Obedience, Demonic Tutor, Transmute Artifact, Power Artifact and other valuable old cards, or hell, you can get some of them anyway but just not all.
Anyway, both are combo, unless you speak of the new Teysa

>>53670154
What about my equipment?

>>53670256
It's all fun and games until you start on Naya and one person plays 5 lands and planeswalks before anyone else gets to.

Imagine the most swingy game a Sol Ring has ever caused. Now swing that like Michael J. Fox on a tilt-a-whirl.

>>53670256
I only played it once. It just made the game more complicated and tedious while not really contributing anything.

>>53670256
You have to really, really limit the Planar Deck, otherwise it does just become >>53670285 and one person gets a mile ahead randomly.

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>>53660984
>"This Is Actually A General About Nin And Her Tits" Edition
We need more commanders with a good rack

>>53660984
>How would you change the color pie for the better?
i wouldnt. its honestly pretty good as it is

>>53670256
It's pretty fun either playing as you're meant to (everyone builds their own planar deck) or in the variant where you have one (In my experience, massive) Planar Deck for the whole table. IMO the latter is better since you can tailor the deck to be a little less psychotically swingy. It'll still swing like hell, but not as much as when everyone is incentivized to pick out the stupidest effects they can get their mitts on.

I have to stress that while I found it enjoyable, it does quickly become the Wacky Planeswalking Show since some planes are equivalent to having a dedicated Group Hug deck at the table, others are comprable to stax, and some are just plain strange. If you don't think spending a while on "everyone gets a million 0/1 goats, but some get more millions than others" world only to randomly show up on "Coat of arms" World is a good time, at least once in a while, Planechase is probably not for you.

>>53661297
Every superfriends deck ends up exactly the same, either:

>Play Doubling Season
>Play planeswalkers, ult instantly, and win

>Never get Doubling Season/it gets removed
>You end up slowing down the game in a constant 3v1 as you play Planeswalker after Planeswalker that gets killed/removed

Like I'd rather play some dedicated combo deck if I wanted to be a douchebag.

>>53670879
Eternities Map is the best way, but it takes up a massive amount of physical space on any table.

>>53670907
Planeswalker were a mistake.

>>53661409
Artifacts like Mind's Eye and Staff of Nin.

Really though there's almost nothing in the way of card draw for just white, like in some bizarro world where artifacts aren't allowed in white you basically have nothing.

Your best options are just being mana efficient and having cards net multiple other cards. So like having mana dumps (Mobilization, Sacred Mesa, Heliod/Oketra) basically gives you a way to make sure your not "timewalked" when you have no gas.

The other option is just go hard in the flicker and play Flickerwisp/Resto/Felidar Guardian/Eldrazi Displacer and blink Wall of Omens/Sun Titan type of cards. Also Panharmonicon + Resto + Felidar Guardian is infinite mana + infinite blinks on non-Angels.

Emeria Shepherd is also like one of the strongest cards in monowhite. Turning every land drop into either a Regrowth or a Reanimate is fucking broken. I've dropped a Plains and gotten back Karn Liberated or Elspeth, Sun's Champion before.

So what are some big cards you would play with the Ur-Dragon's ability a part from Omniscience, Ugin or Bolas?

>>53669801
Also thinking of using a combination of Transcendence/Platinum Angel, especially in conjunction with draw engines like Erebos and Phyrexian Arena. Is this too Johnny for traditional play?

>>53671000
I think I'd rather just play those cards rather than a 9 mana creature with no protection or haste.

The Ur-Dragon is just playing Dragonlord's Servant as your commander with 5 colors.

>>53670820
>We need more commanders with a good rack
good luck with that in the currently year +3
>ftw wizards actually got in trouble for nissa having too big of breasts
this is the world we live in

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>>53671268
Daily reminder that this is the kind of shit head that comprises the majority of the Mtg community and the more we separate ourselves from the rest of mtg the better

http://www.gatheringmagic.com/mj-scott-art-editorial-vorthos-01022013-lets-talk-about-breasts-baby/

>>53671268
>ftw wizards actually got in trouble for nissa having too big of breasts
But that's not true - IIRC they just changed the art on boxes

>>53671396
You don't change something like that without someone getting in trouble
Poorly worded i know
My bad

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>>53671452
Not even m8 it was just the esrb still bullshit though

>>53671337
I'm so confused by this article. Like half the art in the "offensive" category isn't even focusing on the breasts. Like when someone asks you to describe the art on Azure Mage you're not going to go "the one with the big rack showing." I didn't even notice the tits on Farbog Explorer or Blsutersquall.

Really feels like an article by someone whose A) barely played Magic and B) is cherrypicking to the highest possible level.

>>53670944
There are also cards that deny your opponents resources, like Spirit of the Labyrinth

>>53671337
>women's bodies are "offensive" if their boobs are too big

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>>53671337

>>53671679
>if the art offends my small chested gf she won't let me play magic anymore

>>53671626
The issue with those cards is that they're very situational, fragile, and prone to backfire.

Like I feel Spirit has never shut anyone down because it's a fragile 3/1. It dies to practically anything and I don't see many decks that would invest a ton of resources into keeping it alive. Also considering you're basically the only deck at the table not looking to draw extra cards, you immediately become the threat and you probably won't have the resources to fend off three players.

I think Rule of Law is a little more workable. It plays into white's numerous mana sinks and really hurts combo and stops explosive turns. Basically you dump your action, throw down Rule of Law, and you're getting pretty far ahead.

White also gets pretty good card advantage with board wipes since it has some pretty good ones, namely cheap ones like Wrath of God/Day of Judgment, versatile ones like Dusk / Dawn or Austere Command, and just ones that can fuck everything like Akroma's Vengeance and Tragic Arrogance.

>>53665535
Kaalia attacks, Kaalia triggers and goes on the stack.
Opponent plays CP. CP goes on the stack above Kaalia.
CP resolves, CP hits the board.
Kaalia player puts Lightning Bolt on the stack. It resolves, killing CP.
Kaalia ability resolves as normal.

Magic isn't hard.

>>53671626
Spirit of the Lab is much better in a W/u deck where you can use effects like anticipate and fact or fiction
mono white doesnt really benefit from the effect as much as just brings everyone down to its level.

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>>53671761

>>53671337
I'd run a playset of Morkrut Gigolo.

>>53671806
>>53671761
point being this doesnt stop blue decks or necropotence
or other forms of card advantage at all

>>53671761
What abour R/W? You have impulse draw from outpost siege, chandras, and flamespeaker adept.

>>53671863
It stops most blue and black card draw. Yes, there are a few powerful draw spells that get around it, but that's like saying you should run Torpor Orb in a Gruul deck because Xenagos isn't an ETB effect

>>53671922
oh yeah that would be a way around it
if only you were in green too to take advantage of creature tutoring
naw
that would only work if you had some sort of speedy commander in those colors
like some kind of speedster
its a shame they havent explored this design space
>>53671936
>its stops most of blue/black draw and all of yours
>this somehow is worse for them than it is for me

>>53671712
Spirit is fragile but it's still a card that attracts removal at the very least. Sure Rule of Law might be better most of the time, but that doesn't mean you have to run it INSTEAD of Spirit. You can run them both you know.

>>53669683
Exile a red card from your hand.

>>53671956
It is worse for a blue or black deck that relies on a ton of draw spells. If you're playing white, you shouldn't be under the assumption that you're going to be drawing any cards

>>53672026
>you shouldn't be under the assumption that you're going to be drawing any cards
I disagree, I include as many playable artifact draw spells as I can and include some cantrips as well.
Spirit of the Lab hasnt done much for me outside of my 1v1 selvala list that turns my commander into a one sided draw effect for me

>>53672004
I just don't think I'd really justify putting Spirit in when it's just so ungodly fragile. It dies to practically any creature removal or enchantment removal and hosing your opponents will just lead them to bash you in.

Monowhite is just a weak color in EDH and this is coming from someone who loves their monowhite deck and plays it frequently. Your best bet is to play some light hosing effects, whatever card draw you can, and hope you can just maximize your mana efficiency and that your opponent doesn't just outdraw you.

For the record my monowhite deck is Lin Sivvi because she kinda covers what I've talked about (maximizing mana efficiency along with some light hosing effects).

>>53672015
shit son
same casting cost/alternative cost as FoW...
sounds hot

>>53672074
By your logic the majority of white hatebears aren't worth running since they have small bodies and oppressive effects that will paint a target in your head. Though I'll concede that Spirit is more vulnerable than most for being an enchantment and that her effect is of minor impact against some decks.

I'm new to EDH and Magic in general, trying to make a deck out of cards I've gotten from drafts. How good are lands that find you other lands, like Evolving Wilds, Warped Landscape, Ash Barrens, and Blighted Woodland?

>>53672764
It is dependent on how many colors you are running. The more colors you run, the more valuable these become.

There are better lands (fetches etc) but evolving wilds and others are still great if you haave them.

>>53672797
I'm in three colors, is it worth it to run all of them?

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I want to be the biigest asshole of all time!
How do I keep people from doing anything and totally just control the game?!
hes who I use now but I want to be an even bigger asshole and totally dominate

>>53672863
Zur. Run a billion tutors and use Rule of Law + Knowledge Pool. Eidolon of Rhetoric works too

>>53672836
If you don't have better mana fixing, I would run them.

>>53672878
What other (preferably inexpensive) cards are good mana fixing?

>>53672877
Better yet, just run Teferi with Knowledge Pool

>>53672904
Signets, Chromatic lantern are the first thing off the top of my head.

>>53672904
If you're in green, Cultivate style spells are good mana fixing for multicolored decks.

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How "competitive" (read unfun spikefaggy) can Teysa get? I've only played against her like 2 times and the game was over by turn 4 or 5 both times, each time there was a Darkest Hour in starting hand involved however.

>>53670048
I also have a MLD package on the way:
Armageddon
Catastrophe
Impending Disaster
Boom/Bust

>>53667564
Give that nigger a mono green deck and tell him to shut the fuck up.

>>53672764
>Evolving Wilds
I'd rather play a Panorama
>Warped Landscape
See above
>Ash Barrens, Blighted Woodland
Both good

>>53664770
Hold the fucking phone
How did you last 10 turns under the chasm in monored? Where did you get the 110 life to pay for it?

>>53673340
Glacial chasm reduces all damage to him to 0 ya dunce

>>53673403
>pay 2 life for each age counter on Glacial Chasm or sacrifice it
Ya fucking dunce

>>53672216
And a lot of them are not worth running for more than that. A lot of them classify as "irritating" but not "crippling."

It's just not modern where playing a Thalia will tax your opponent enough that her (and your other cards) become a realistic clock. Playing a Thalia 1.0 on turn two isn't going to do much except annoy everyone and eventually just fall victim to removal or a random board wipe.

I think the playable hatebears are new Thalia, Eidolon of Rhetoric, original Linvala, Gaddock Teeg, Hushwing Gryff, and original Anafenza. Some of them shut out entire strategies but, as a whole, they're not enough to build a deck around.

Honestly just play like Karador goodstuff and slot in the severe hoser cards as needed, play Survival of the Fittest and you can tutor any creature to shut down specific strategies. Just throwing a ton of hatecards in there means you can't play a ton of the stuff to really "go off" and eventually just succumb to the table's hatred.

>>53673340
I'd guess Eon Hub, but that might be overthinking it.

>>53673533
>3 other players unable to answer Eon Hub, Pyrohemia OR Glacial Chasm in 10 turns, or have a non-damage wincon
Holy shit this isn't even craw wurm meta, this is some chimney imp level shit

>>53673597
>look up Chimney Imp
>read effect
>eh, it's not great but it's not terrible for, what, two-three mana?
>5
holy shit

>>53673597
You'd be surprised how many people don't pack land hate at least. Not this guy but I've played Glacial Chasm a lot of games. People really don't want to pack Strip Mine or Wasteland, or even just something cheaper like Tectonic Edge or Ghost Quarter.

But yeah I only use Glacial Chasm for a turn or two and then the life loss becomes a real tax.

>>53673340
>>53666585
so non of you have a basilisk collar in your hazoret deck?

>>53673662
I know how Glacial Chasm works in practice, it's an all star in my Hidetsugu and I play it in almost everything green. But slow groupslug is what it -doesn't- work with at all.

>>53673678
So none of those THREE monored decks he played against have one of the following:
>vandalblast
>shattering spree
>fiery confluence
>by force
>shattering pulse
>viashino heretic
>gorilla shaman
>blood moon
>magus of the moon
>zealous conscripts
>any of the following >>53665176
>ANY LAND DESTRUCTION IN MONORED COME ON
?

1vs1 leagues on mtgo are great fun, desu. Sidisi is a nice and cheap option for a commander.

>>53673678
>>53673761
Other cards that would've worked:
>boompile
>nevinyrral's disk
>oblivion stone
>perilous vault
>coercive portal
>engineered explosives (takes out collar at 1)
>ratchet bomb
>manriki gusari
>argentum armor
>steel hellkite
Should I go on?

>>53673761
>>53673810
yes pls you clearly need to cent some autism

>>53673859
>gets btfo'd
>play the autism card
Stay jank

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>>53673879

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>>53673879

>>53673085
with darkest hour and many tutors it can be very spikey, but without it it's pretty casual

Post utility lands

>>53673085
i played teysa for two years. it's your average combo deck, and relatively boring. i tried a token build, but without access to green it was very underwhelming.

so to answer your question, teysa is always a boring extra spikey combo deck or a terrible token deck that can't do much.

>>53666441
10/10 alter. I lul'd.

Also, just go full broken. You're playing Grixis. It's your job to be Prime Dickhead.

>>53673810
>>53673761
Clearly he played against the table of 3x balls-to-the-walls no-backups Krenko, and all three Krenko players had offended the God of the Shuffle.

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>>53674089
hard to justify not putting this in every deck