Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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*teleports into first*

>>53608134
2k points allows up to 3 detachments and I assume that's the point level most people play.

Alright anons, what is the best and the worst change change for your army?

As far as TSons are concerned

>Rubrics are not trash anymore
>Rule of Fuck Psykers

>>53608142
haha, this ain't 7th edition... you ain't shit no moar nigga

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Post your vague prediction of tiers

I predict top tier being tyranids and orks.

>Space Marine bikers have Turbo-boost
>Ork Warbikers do not.

what the fuck.

Also

>painboys must take a Power Klaw or Killsaw

The model doesn't even have either.

It's like they saw the ancient Mad Doc model and based the loadout off that. While the newer plastic model only has doc's tools and the 'urty syringe modeled.

Dreads in pods were the coolest shit, sad to see them gone.

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Can Primaris even compete?

Do marines still need to take a dangerous terrain test when they exit a Stormraven?

Do dreadnoughts if they don't have magna-grapple?

>>53608138
Page 22 of the PDF 214 of the book, bottom left corner has the restrictions on detachments.

>>53608158

But they aren't gone, they are in the new FW book.

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>>53608159
>that fucking cherub

>>53608152
Tier one:
>Dark Eldar, Tyranids, Orkz, Ynnari, maybe Guard

Tier 2:
>Space Marines, Space Wolves, Necron, maybe other Space Marine variants, Blood Angels could make a comeback(the Baal Predator is sexy for clearing hordes)

Tier 2.5
>CSM and some Daemons, Admech, Sisters

Tier Pee-pee-poo-poo
>Tau, Greyknights, Tzeentch Daemons

I'm working on my Skitarii right now.

How is AdMech looking? The 50's Robots any good?

>>53608195
AdMech in 2.5? Why so, anon?

>>53608152

top tier:
Orks, Nids, AM (this is the hoard edition)

Mid tier:
Muhrines, Eldari, Druchari, Skitari, Blood Angels

Low tier:
Tau, Ghey Knights, Daemons, CSM

>>53608195
>no Eldar

>>53608195

Harlequins are Tier 1.
Craftworld is Tier 2.

>>53608145
Tau:
Riptide: while it did deserve a nerf, was nerfed into oblivion
Xv25 stealthsuits, no points increase but got +1W/T/S

>>53608195
>Tzeentch Daemons
>Bad
Really? I mean horrors seemed pretty meh but Flamers and Burning Chariots w/ Exalted Flamers seemed damn fine.

>>53608195
>Tier 1
>ORKZ

You zoggin' loonatik, we'z not got any invuln-orrible saves!

>>53608205
>>53608218
>>53608219
I'm just judging this based on what I hear everyone else say.

>>53608208
Where do you thin Wolves fit?

>>53608211
Eldar is a meme, so I just listed Ynnari.

>>53608226
>Where do you thin Wolves fit?
mid tier... their CC will be a boon

>>53608208
>>53608195

>Orks and Nids at the top

We Bizarro Edition now boooooyz

>>53608219
Invulns mean much less in 8e than in 7e. Here they're just a cap your save can't be reduced past, instead of often the only save you'll ever get due to black and white AP.

>>53608128
am I reading this right? are tempestor primes now a hq choice?

>>53608226
>I'm just judging this based on what I hear everyone else say
I'm beginning to see why anons don't rate /tg/ as a source of tactical knowhow.

>>53608244
its been a long time coming and everyone I know is happy to see it... We all look forward to facing the green tide

>>53608244

It's close combat horde edition.

>>53608246

They are. Tempestus Guard is top tier now because the Taurox is stupid good.

I'm predicting that the first impression placements are due to mentally overcorrecting for buffs and nerfs, and that everyone's actually going to be in a fairly narrow band, power-wise. If Tau is bottom and Ork is top (which is hilarious), then the 8e power gap is substantially smaller than in 7e.

>>53608196
Kastelans are looking to be the centrepoint of the whole army. Admech has some of the worst mobility of any army so having fuck you amounts of firepower with melee power when they eventually reach you is just perfect IMO.

>>53608145
>Guard
From worst to less worse
>vendetta is kill
>veterans now elite
>no more combined squads
>demolisher sucks ass
>wyvern has no more ignore cover
>templates got nerfed

However

>manticore is best boy again
>never been so good since 5th
>wyvern still good despite above
>HWT cheap af
>melee weapons cheap af
>punisher and executioner still good
>vehicles still beefy
>people memeing with conscripts are giving me some hearty keks

>>53608195
Why the hell did you put GK on the lowest tier ?!

>>53608258
>>53608266
It's great though, just strange after so long.

>>53608283
See >>53608226

We're deep in the echo chamber here.

>>53608282

>memeing with conscripts

It's memeing until you see 50 of them backed by a Commissar FRFSRF.

>>53608278
And since Skitarii are troops for AdMech, do we really need to use Katapron sevitors?

>>53608282
Vendetta is in the FW index you fucking buffoon, I've seen this shitpost 10 times to day and each time it's wrong.

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>>53608282
Vendetta is FW now

>>53608283
>>53608290
Nah, that one I strongly believe myself. Grey Knights cost a ton of points and their psyker abilities got cucked. Better to just play vanilla marines.

>>53608266
neat, also are armour options gone? it would seem guard officers can no longer get carapace and inquisitors can n longer have power armour

>>53608214
were do you get harlequin t1? we got much more expensive while everyone else i cheaper

>>53608314
Why do they have to cast 1 wound smites? Why are their Termies 1 ld worse than ALL other termies? Why did base Termies become more expensive? Why does 50% of the army have to be in Deepstrike? Why is Psycannon only 4 shots still?

So many questions.

>Vindicare Assassin is 90 points
Why is this legal?

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Helbrutes are shit
Chaos Dreadnoughts are awesome

Fuck you FW!

Feels like horde armies are gonna succeed due to templates disappearing with no volume of fire replacement.

A demolisher cannon hitting your troops is vastly different in 7th compared to 8th.

Sad.

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>>53608342
>>53608345

Because he returned...

>>53608316

Armor options are gone, they are gonna have to rely on not being targeted by virtue of being characters now.

>>53608330

Play a game or two with 8E rules and you'll see. They may be more expensive but they punch above their weight hard.

8" or better moves army wide, army wide 4+ invuls, Flip Belts + Rising Crescendo make tarpitting an non issue. Shadowseer is broken.

>>53608293
I was talking more about the guys claiming that they would destroy knights in a single turn with them

>>53608352
There's still a few pseudo-templates running around, like the Seismic Assault C'tan power. There's also a few effects with bonuses versus large units, like the bombs from a Sunshark.

>>53608366
Its a joke that doesn't make sense anon; GK were his codex.

Also factually inaccurate, but who am I to stand against a meme?

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>>53608352
Run 2 Baal Predators with Twin Autocannons and Heavy Bolters in 1000 point lists, maybe 3 in any game bigger than that. They will tear hordes to shreds.

>>53608300
Yeah and fucking nobody has ever allowed FW at tournaments

>>53608145

Tau
Best: Retreating from melee? i guess, we didnt get much good
Bad: Everything worthwhile besides stealth suits nerfed into the dirt

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>>53608387

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Five and a half hour Q&A with the Frontline Gaming playtesters:
twitch tv/videos/149230276

Very worth watching if you want opinions from experienced 8th ed. players.

Top Armies in their opinion:
Orks, Nids, Harlies, Dark Eldar, Marines, Scions(lol Taurox Prime)

Worst Armies in their opinion:
Craftworld Eldar (Not Ynnari), Daemons, Inqusition (i.e. henchmen only. Not Ordos), Legion of the Damned(This counts as an army?)

>>53608395
Scions do seem to be a very good unit for Guard now.

>>53608386
I remembered the Baal Predator with flamethrowers in the turret instead of gatlings

Was that an upgrade or I totally mest up?

>>53608386
Baal predators do seem good but that's just one faction with access. Sad that old anti infantry tanks are now just meh

>>53608352

The age of the Punisher gatling cannon has arrived.

Rev up that Heavy 20 baby.

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>>53608385
Just think about it.

>GW allowed Guilliman to return
>therefore Matt is willing to destroy any army other than Ultrasmurfs
>Guilliman calls Primaris "Cawl's blasphemous horde"
>Primaris are already complete garbage, save maybe the Hellblasters and the Jump pack guys, in some situations

He is back to his usual shenanigans.

>>53608420
It's a different upgrade.

>>53608420
You remember correct, you can either equip it with a flamethrower or the twin gatling.

>>53608394
Are you a functional retard? Is english not your first language? FW was never allowed at tournaments except for rare particular cases -》vendettas are FW -》vendettas aren't allowed at tournaments.
Is it too hard to process for you, brainlet?

>>53608430
>Guilliman calls Primaris "Cawl's blasphemous horde"
Source? Guilliman himself commissioned their creation.

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>>53608342
Thousand Sons squad psykers got shafted on Smites as well.

>>53608393
Good:
-Crisis Suits can now take and fire three weapons, with free Target Lock due to rule change.
-Railguns deal mortal wounds and are appropriately terrifying
-Krootox Riders and Hounds are their own units now. Hounds are actually decent melee rushers.
-Sunshark bombs annihilate hordes
-Tidewall is a transport now, and bounces do mortal wounds
-Easily available AP boosting with ATS
-Drones detach as separate units, meaning they never cause morale issues for the unit that bought them. Shield Drones actually useful now.
-ML changes are a sidegrade, but I find them more interesting now.

>>53608423
You can put them in a detachment with other IMPERIUM models,can't you? Or does a single detachment have to be the same faction within the Imperium.

>>53608447
It's from Gathering Storm I think. He did also say that he sees them as a means to an end.

>>53608444
Almost all tourneys I've been to allowed FW. Granted I'm neither the Anon you're replying to, nor do I have a particular large sample size, but I still thought it wouod add to the discussion.

>>53608366
Would you stop lying.

>>53608460
In order to get CP, they must all be the same faction. However, if you don't want CP, you can do whatever the fuck you want.

At least that's what my store manager said.

>>53608460
You can but fuck Blood Angels and mixed army detatchments

>>53608448
>be scion of THE psychic legion
>serve THE psychic god
>be sorcerer on cusp of exalting
>still be worse psyker than a random liby

Falling to Chaos was a mistake.

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What do you guys think?

>>53608477
Why is everyone building around 2k? Is this the new meta?

>>53608430
He isn't back, dummy. He was there for a little bit, working with Black Library, then he left.

>>53608145
Reavers lost their s6 HoW
I know it's a minor complaint compared to everything our faction gained but reavers were my favorite unit for that exact reason. Though I guess in compensation they make more reliable gun platforms now.

>>53608477
Is this a meme or just one guy shitposting and constantly posting 2k Tyranid lists

>>53608395
thx for posting but that link goes nowere

>>53608379

Statistically, conscripts plus command squads plus a commissar in equal point value to an expensive knight variant,
do about 1/4 of it wounds at 24 inches and 1/2 its wounds at 12 inches.
The Knight kills about 12 of them in return. Very bad trade for the knight.

>>53608481
Non-infantry had costs increased across the board, so lists that were much lower now find themselves in the 2k range. If you want to being a similar number of models, 2k is where it's at. It's also one of the recommended point levels in the CRB, if anyone cares about that.

>>53608488
>>53608481
2k is predicted to be the standard.
Nids are the only army that the army builder has complete.

>>53608490
>twitch DOT tv/videos/149230276
You have to put in the dot yourself. Twitch links get caught by 4chan's spam filter.

>>53608348
I'm kinda sad they discontinued those before I could grab one. Do any of the recasters sell them?

>>53608196
>The 50's Robots any good?
Seems fine.

As for other shit
>Cult and Skits rolled into one
>no Doctrina Imperatives, but army-wide Canticles
>strength of a Canticle's buff no longer dependent on how many units you have on the field with the rule
>you can either choose a Canticle or roll for it; you can't choose the same one twice but can get it twice via rolls
>Cawl can now repair vehicles like a Dominus; has some other neat rules too
>Cawl is locked to the Mars Forgeworld by his keyword
>Enginseer as an HQ
>Plasma gets two modes: "weaker than last time but won't kill your dudes" and "I'm all but guaranteed to kill models on both sides whenever I shoot"
>Haywire nerfed hard; must wound a Vehicles just like everything else but does increased damage to Vehicles on a successful wound (D3/6 damage)
>Phosphor now removes any and all cover bonuses entirely just by attacking a unit with a weapon with the rule
>ravestick Electro-Priests are damn good since they fucking shit out (mortal) wounds in melee now and easily unlock their 3++
>shooty Priests are okay I guess; 6's to hit (in melee or shooting) cause 3 hits instead of 1 but only at S5 AP0
>Kastellans can now explode
>Servitors as an Elites choice
>Skitarii as a whole lost FnP 6+ and now have a 6++
>Skitarii Rangers are meh since they lost Relentless and don't have Assault weapons like Vanguard
>Galvanic Rifles are now AP0 and only AP-1 on a roll of a 6+
>Vanguard are damn good still
>Both Ranger and Vanguard Alphas are down to W1 (but still A2)
>Transuranic Arquebus got a price cut and seems a whole lot better rules-wise too
>Taser Goads cause 3 hits instead of 1 on 6's to hit in melee
>Omnispexes flat out negate cover now
>Infiltrators got their debuff aura nerfed hard but also got a points decrease
>Flechette Blasters not S3, but lost Shred (still 5 shots)
>Sicarian Ruststalkers got a points decrease but now Transonic weapons are just not!Rending on 6+ (Chordclaws deal D3 not!Rends on a 6+)

cont.

>>53608490
Works for me, anon.

Did you add the dot?

>>53608502
>>53608509
Ah, I see.

Thanks then!

>>53608491
You'll never fit all those conscripts in 12" of the knight with 6"movenent and the knight doing 12", that's why it's a meme, it's a completely unrealistic and hypothetical situation unless the knight guy is a retard obviously

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>>53608395
w-we're not even a real army
>kicking and stomping
It hurts brother, it hurts

>>53608481

The rule-book recommends up to 2000 points for games on 6x4 boards. So it's likely to be the new meta.

>>53608395
>official playtesters admit that the armies aren't equal
Intredasting. Do they at least claim that there isn't much difference between the tiers, or that they only matter for super-competitive play?

>>53608491
you do realise that getting that many conscripts in range without getting shot to bits and getting charged is rather rough

>>53608395
Did they say anything about the Primaris?

>>53608535
Much less difference than 7th ed. at least.

>>53608510
thx a bunch

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>>53608513
>Enginseer as an HQ
I thought so as well but he is actually an elite...

>ynnari
OK, I missed the latest fluff silliness. Am I right in assuming this is Space Elves plus Spiky Space Elves? I haven't noticed a totally new faction appearing modelwise.

>>53608387
which rock have you been living under? its standard 40k, most major tournaments for the last 2+ years have allowed it.

>>53608526

How exactly does a Knight stay 12 inches away from over 150 models on a 4x6 board?
It certainly isn't by killing them, because it literally can't do it fast enough.

>>53608535

Why would they not admit that? It's impossible for the armies to be equal unless they were all the exact same in every respect.

>>53608556
It's all the elves except Mandrakes, Haemonculi, and the Avatar of Khaine following Ynnead the new Eldar god of Death.

>>53608543

Did you look at the numbers I posted at all?
Losing about 36 points of models per turn, maybe 45 if you fail morale checks, is hardly getting shot to bits.

>>53608556
the god the eldar are trying to birth to stop slanesh is starting to wake and has chosen a champion and started appearing as an avatar. they draw power from death. i realy like the fluff but their rules are so stupidly broken that everyone hates them

Is it just me or do the GW chaos knights look... kinda lame? Like their ranged seems meh, though their melee looks useful for killing other things that are similar to themselves. They dont seem to have that "shoot whilst in melee" rule khorne lord of skulls has though so i feel like even with titanic feet they will just get tied up by infantry.

>>53608556
Plus Clown Elves minus Covens units from Spiky Elves.

They get a rule in which when a unit (allied or enemy) dies their models get to do actions like move, shoot and charge out of sequence. It's very strong.

Also three sorta centrepiece characters, cool models kind of eh rules.

>>53608556
No, Ynnari are a mix of Clowns, some Spiky and Regular, plus the three Gathering Storm models.

The Spiky, Regular and Clowns are also still their own factions too.

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>>53608556
Kachina Eldar

>>53608535

They think it's mostly going to matter with super-competitive play. No army is actually completely garbage. They say that pure Craftworld is bad simply because Ynnari is a straight upgrade.

>>53608556

Ynnari basically allows you to take pretty much any Eldar in your army, they are followers of the Eldar God of Death. They get a pretty sweet special rule at the expense of losing their normal special rules.

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So last edition was all about the shooty, this one is all about the stabby. Sisters are in between those things, specializing in close up shooting.

Did we stay about the same tier-wise then? Or does more people wanting to be in our face us thus putting us in a better position to turn hordes of orks and nids into ash outweigh the part where sisters get mulched in melee?

I can't wait to finally put flamers to good use.

>>53608566
Seems an odd move to be upfront about it for a company in the business of selling models.

>>53608589
Probably. 8th ed. Acts of Faith are REALLY strong though.

FW leeks wen?
I wanna get to building my Krieg force

>>53608282

I was bummed about vets being elites until I realized that Scions are troops now and Scions are better then vets in almost every single way.

Quad-plasma Scion spam in taurox are going to be the IG WAAC list.

How to shred hordes with dakka as Space Marines? I will be honest, I do want to focus on Primaris since I really like the models, but I'm not totally opposed to the older sculpts

>>53608196
cont from >>53608513
>both dunestriders largely the same, now M10" T6 W6 4+/6++
>Ballistarii can run and shoot but gets -2 To Hit
>Serpenta now just ignores cover on it's own attack, no Rerolling Charges or pseudo-Markerlighting
>Onager still a sexy beast, T7 W11 Sv3+/5++ base
>rerolls invulnerable saves of 1 if a Dunecrawler with the same Forgeworld keyword is within 6"
That's pretty much your lot in terms of Ad Mech 8e big changes

>>53608555
Huh, I just guessed since he was an HQ last edition and was on the HQ page in the new index. Weird

>>53608597
If I'm reading it right there's no limit to the amount of bonus acts of faith you can get from Celestine + banner things. You could have a Retributor squad fire four times in one turn if you wanted to.

>>53608571
>>53608576
>>53608580
>>53608581
>>53608582
>>53608586
Thanks y'all

>>53608565
Are you retarded? You don't start 12" away with all your conscripts, at best you start at 24" assuming the knight player is a retard, then you move 6" he moves 12" and you can't shoot him, you move 6" next turn and still can't shoot him, you move 6" and then you can shoot at 24" with some of them, then move 6" and you can shoot him at 24" again this time with all of them, then you move 6" and some of them might be within 12" but hardly all of them. Then the game ends because 5 turns, congrats.

Hmmm, I don't see anything in the rulebook about having to deepstrike on the top of a multistory building.

Anyone see anything bout that?

>>53608608

Flamers, Heavy Flamers and Twin Assault Cannons.

>>53608600
when the PDFs go up, because rumor has it FW isn't letting any indexes leave the warehouse until release day

>>53608608
Assault Cannons are Heavy 6 now, Twin Assault Cannons are Heavy 12. Marines can bring the dakka.

>>53608620
No limit to the number of Acts, but a different unit must be targeted with each act of faith you do in a turn. So you can't make one Ret squad fire three more times, but you could have three different Ret squads each fire a second time.

>>53608624

Your scenario is slightly wrong, but you only proved my point still.
The conscripts will have done about half its wounds, and the knight takes out maybe 1 blob, after literally being chased around the board by the things it should realistically be the least scared of. And the longer that game goes on, the more screwed the knight is.

>>53608513
>>53608618
Thank you for this, anon.

So I don't need to use Kataphron if I don't want to now? My ideal AdMech was Skitarii and Kastelans anyways.

What kinda army composition would the Ulthwe craftworld use?
I mean I guess farseers and warlocks, but what else?

>>53608638

Infantry moves through buildings and ruins unimpeded, this includes them deep striking into buildings.

I imagine it as them landing on the roof / upper part of the ruins and immediately moving inside for cover, as sitting exposed on top is tactically unsound.

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>>53608477
or something more like this list?
If command points are as important as I think the first list may be the better one.

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Finally started to catch up with spoilers and leaks and I just finished looking over the leaked marines. I'm feeling pretty optimistic about my Black Templars this edition with assaults being much better. I still wish we had more flavor, but maybe I'm just numb to not having vows at this point.

>>53608655
So it is optional? That could be useful for sending a plasma team to take out a melee dreadnought.

With Obliterators being shit this edition, would anyone object if I proxy them as terminator lords?

The 4th MEGA link is broken

>>53608654

Traditionally Guardians, in the Storm and Defender variety. Their craftworld's heavy focus on the Path of the Seer leaves them little in the way of Aspect Warriors, so Guardians make up the vast majority of their ground forces.

Ulthwe is one of the only craftworlds known for having a standing army of Guardians.

New edition
Big changes
Maleceptor still fucking blows

>>53608679
Yes, because they're ugly as fkcu

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>those new death guard rules
>3 wound meganobs
>gorkamorkanauts might actually be good


I know im super late on this but i just caught up today and oh man am i genuinely excited for 8th edition

Do units keep all their keywords or only the ones that match the detachment they are in?

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>>53608679
>>53608708
>Be strong little Obliterator
>be strong for Chaos

>>53608650
Still, you're struggling with killing it in 5 turns, good luck on doing it with time costraints you have at tournaments, you will hardly make it to the 3rd turn with a full conscript army.

>>53608653
>So I don't need to use Kataphron if I don't want to now? My ideal AdMech was Skitarii and Kastelans anyways.
Probably not. You're most likely good to run the latter.

>>53608726
Units never lose keywords, certain circumstances just act on those keywords or not.

>>53608726

They keep all their keywords.

>>53608734
>>53608736

Dammit. Someone from 4chan lied to me! Now I need to spend my entire life hunting them down.

Wish me luck.

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>All acolytes can take combi weapons
>Dragonfire rounds intensifies

Ten dudes with combi flamers is my fetish.

>>53608282
>vendetta is kill
way to instantly discredit anything you say anon

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>>53608708
>ugly as fkcu

So with the new keywords system, how deep do you have to go for the detachment requirements? Say I wanted to run the standard 1 HQ 2 troops detachment for CSM but also wanna bring some daemons, would I need a separate detachment for the daemons or would they fit if they shared the same god devotion as the marines?

>>53608744
Although it wasn't me, is it possible to claim it was so you can come and do things to me? I have nobody for myself.

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>>53608666
at least you exist

Would a TS Hellbrute be a rubric or some guy?

>>53608430
>Mat Ward Autism.jpg
>grasping at straws to pin blame for things he doesn't like on a man who doesn't even work for the company any more
No anon, you are the autist.

>>53608752
I'm still waiting for a tiny tear to form in his eyes

>>53608758
Very well. Leave your front door open and wait for me.

>>53608759
Wot izzat?

>>53608548
Yes. They said Primaris are very good. They seem to think they're worth their points.

So it looks like wych cults are the way to go, considering how many <Wych Cult> units there are, the buffs/access to drugs and the fact the succubus does a decent buff compared to the archon. My questions:

Is an extra attack and leadership point worth the extra 4 points per model to take bloodbrides now?
When (if ever) is it worth taking a powersword over the agoniser? Considering you can give +1 strength to a unit and they cost the same price.
Hellions; MSU with stun claws or a large block?


Also interested if anyone has tinkered with a <Coven> list.

>>53608744
>Someone from 4chan lied to me! Now I need to spend my entire life hunting them down.
I remember asking the same thing you just did not too long ago, but I got told they didn't either. If you could still kill me though I'd appreciate it.
Thanks in advance, anon.

>>53608754

Faction keyword Chaos. Bring anything from Index: Chaos in a single detachment.

You can do the same with the keyword Imperium and have absurd detachments for loyalists.

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>>53608156
Counts as PK.

>>53608754
you need to have 1 faction keyword in common
so in your case you could make a chaos detachment , or you could make a heretic astrates detachment and a deamons detachment to from an army with the chaos keyword

as of right now there is no penalty for picking a wider keyword when it comes to forming a detachment, but this might change when more factions get a codex

>>53608732
Sweet, I hate the Kataphron models.

Thanks anon!

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>>53608759
What are these "Iron Hands" you are talking about? Surely you mean Iron Warriors.

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>>53608771
Alright, I'll be waiting. I'm lonely and some of the people I know think I might be a little bit cute for a boy so all the better for you.
By the way, what did the liar try making you believe anyways?

>>53608366

He looks so normal other short hair.

When will white men realize this is the way to go.

>>53608789
Thank god xenos isn't a key word.

>>53608731

Feel free to post an actual counter argument any time.

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>>53608802
>that green
lovely

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I
NEED
IMPERIAL ARMOUR LEAKS

I want to see how much Comp Dreds are for Chaos

Is it just me or are Primaris Intercessors just really... meh?

Their bolt rifle isn't even that good. It definitely an improvement over a boltgun, but to get no access to any customisation of warhead they don't even seem that useful.

They might be "specialised" but I'm not sure if I'd take one over a tac squad the majority of the time. Is there something I'm missing?

>>53608708
>>53608728
And what about if I got a couple of these guys? They look less retarded right.. riiiiiight?
http://hitechminiatures.com/56-thickbox_default/28mm-terrorizers-box-3-minis-.jpg

>>53608833
I imagine we'll be getting more and more variations with different weapon loadouts

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has anyone seen the Painboy rules? Their f-ing good! and now the grot orderly has rules and can suffer a wound for you (while still keeping you a character)

>>53608800
The idea seems to be that detachments that are formed using more specific keywords will get access to more Stratagems, and that some specific special rules (say, chapter tactics for example) will end up being a sort of Stratagem that you pay for once at the start of a game.

>>53608803
That keywords basically do nothing unless you're in a detachment with that keyword. Sp if you're in an "Imperium" detachment because you wanted a leman russ in your space marine army, none of your <chapter> units get <chapter> specific buffs.

>>53608845
A lot better desu.

I need a /thoughtfulguy/ to screen shot the new and old riptide rules and tell me the loints cost since im on my phone for the next few hours. If someo e could itd be super helpful

>>53608827
you're gonna be waiting a week or two (I hope not, but that's the likely case)

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>>53608868
That's silly. Would probably make quite a few units completely useless just for the sake of larger armies. Must have gotten that idea from the whole stratagems specificity thing or something like that. Where are you, anon? I'm still waiting.

>>53608759
Oh shit, you're right. Sorry, I got a bit tunnel visioned there and didn't even realize. Thats pretty lame, I hope you get a supplement or something at least.

>>53608195
And why orks t1 now?
Srsly, why?

>>53608914
memes

>>53608759
There's a picture of Iron Hands in the back of Imperium Index I.

>>53608444
There are Tournaments that don't allow FW, but those are the absolute exception, and are made by massive faggots like you, cocksucking retard.

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>>53608145
>bad
Obliterators
pic related
>best
I don't know yet, noise seems much better and so does defiler.

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>>53608914
hoard close combat army with mortal wound saves (painboys) and most importantly a player base that is STARVING for glory

>>53608939
>hoard

>>53608914
We iz da biggest an' da best. Yous best not forget dat.

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>>53608952
Can only be Bad Moonz then

>>53608927
c'mon dude, he's baiting

>>53608903
I'm coming now. Get yourself warmed up.

>>53608868
currently its a grey area that needs clarification. do ALL keywords have to be the same? or must they simply share a faction as stated? the obvious intent is "Blood angels go in one detachment, space wolves in the other" but RAW as long as they're all imperium you're good.

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Fill me in on how the Thousand Sons are looking
Rubrics supported with mind bullets by Magnus, Ahriman and Three Sorcerers on discs, with Tzaangors for screening
How would it fare?

>>53608914

Next to Nids, Orks have the best morale-ignoring mechanics in the game. You could argue that Orks are even better because the main thing giving out morale immunity is 30-strong Boyz mobs, which also happen to be hordes of melee troops in an edition which favours hordes of melee troops, as opposed to giant creatures that can be picked out by the enemy if they have 10 or more wounds.

On top of that, Orks have easy access to Painboyz, who give everything nearby a 6+ ignore any wound, which adds up. Then you have Nobz with WAAAGH banners making everything nearby hit on 2's, and it applies to EVERY Ork unit, not just infantry. Say hello to Orkanauts hitting on 2's at Strength 16 folks. And let's just toss in a Warboss too letting stuff Advance and Charge, oh and he can inflict D3 mortal wounds on any friendly unit within 3" that fails a morale test to make them auto-pass. Essentially if he's in combat alongside something else, nothing is running.

Ork psychic powers range from decent to bloody amazing (Da Jump), Orks can toss out a lot of high damage attacks. Probably the only thing the army doesn't do particularly well is shit out mortal wounds, and even then you've got Deffkoptas and Blitz Bombers that have respectable numbers of both. And Weirdboyz have an easy time getting to 10 on a psychic check for Smite thanks to gaining +1 charge for every 10 Ork models within 10".

>>53609008
Oh and scarabs

I still can't decide which army to start with. I really like Primaris marines, but I don't want to play the same army everyone else does. But they're also guaranteed continuing support. But I want a footslogging army, which marines can't do.

>>53609028
> Footslogging
In this edition, Orks are best for that, and they will never be not supporting Orks in some way, they're too popular

>>53609008
Thousand Sons seem like they'll be alright now. Really durable, decent firepower, all that good stuff. The only complaint I'm really seeing, and other people also seem to have, is the lack of psychic variety. Thousand Sons only have access to the generic psychic table for chaos rather than any fun, more varied tables or anything. It's unfortunate.

>>53609028
*Deep intake*

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

>>53609028
Necrons can be pretty footslogy, and if you want to avoid transports entirely the new Monolith is pretty good.

Or maybe Admech, who I don't think have transports at all.

>>53609028
Most of the 8th games I've seen so far have had very few vehicles, even up to the 1850 point limit

>>53608142
The thicker eldar models look so much better.

>>53609041
Confirmed to be getting transports in the near future

>>53608845
They look like nurgle diarrhea...

>>53608195
My guess is Space Marine will be Tier 1 for the sole reasons of Terminators. Terminators can deal with hordes and enemy elites now.

I bring 10 deepstriking Termies with 2 Assault Cannons and you watch your 30 Boyz squads melt like ice in the sun. And which I can emergency teleport away from hordes.

>>53609035
>>53609039

I'm really not good enough at painting to do orks. Plus I prefer lower model counts, I don't want to have to buy and paint literally hundreds of models.

>>53609028
If you're feeling spicy look into a foot slogging Ynnari army, because their special rule only works with infantry. You might be limited to the Craftworlds and Harlequin stuff though, because a lot of the Dark Eldar stuff really wants to use transports.

Or just you know, classic straight craftworld footdar, running Aspect Warriors and Guardians with maybe some Wraith Guard sprinkled in.

>>53609028
>which marines can't do.
?? Why not.

>>53609051
I'm happy for them. I've been seeing memes about it for far too long. Maybe those melee troops can actually make it into combat, I hear they're mortal wound machines in this edition.

>>53609008
Kinda decent, although maybe weak against Hordes. Note that being a psyker means little besides free wounds - now you wants to use Ahriman, Magnus and Sorcs as swift and elite melee fighters, capable of destroying expensive vehicles and monsters in short order.

Magnus himself can murder a LR or a Knight on a charge. With warpfate he can move 32", and with Prescience he can trigger extra attack against Imperium on 5+.

Also, Magnus looks way cooler without his armor, imo.

>>53609065
Probably Thousand Sons are for you then

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>>53608128

Ok so Today I played 2 games of 8th edition. Our store got in all the indexes and basic rulebook and we have been allowed to use them to learn to play.
1st games was 1500 points Guard, versus 1500 points Tau.
I played 5 russes, 3 squads of bros, Company commander, and command squad.
I got fucking bodied by the Tau because I went in expecting to light niggers up with super strong tanks now. So here are the memes that I spotted when actually playing. The russ main turret does not take a penalty for moving but the sponsons do... so Th emain gun would be 4+, 3+ on tank commander, 2+ on Pask. While the sponsons would be 5+, 4+ on tank commander, 3+ on pask. Was a little upset, no big deal. Now I got super Omega ass blasted when my friend charged stealth suits and kroot at my russes. Tau charges, How funny? Not funny. THE RUSSES DONT HAVE A RULE SO THEY CAN EXIT OUT OF COMBAT AND STILL SHOT NOR A TANK ORDER. So dude would just keep running up and touching the hull and they were useless... Was this designed this way on purpose? For now I guess. But I keep having to back all my dudes out and then have the tank commander tell them run so they get back way far the fuck away from the kroot. The command squad has a 50% chance to heal niggers. So I first I was like gay, but then after I come to realize they can just all take special weapons. So a 4 man with special weapons and a medic might make them more worth. The unit I was super hype about was a Company commander with a shot gun and power fist for 40 points. Problem is a 5+ is the best he gets, that and 5+ invul, no buying better armor.

Second game was 500 points versus Tyranids. Which have certain units that can get off turn one charges, and not just at the 9 inches, like the Red terror, infiltrates and then can just fucking walk his long as move and then assault so he just gets the fuck in there... In this list I had 1 russ, 1 squad of bros and 1 squad of vets with heavy flamer and 3 flamers, so-

>>53609077

From what I understand, marines get absolutely shredded if they try footslogging, and they really need transports to get in range of anything.

>>53609095

Thousand Sons could be interesting actually. Looking at their unit entry, they're tough as hell, great at shooting, cool and fairly easily painted models, the psyker stuff is sweet.

So what army is looking to be the strongest in 8th so far?

>>53609110
That sounds like 7th ed. 8th ed. is totally different.

So how do you use Plague Marines in 8th?

>>53609112

>>53608395

>>53609112
Nids, Orks and Dark Eldar all look strong.

Nids and Orks because of melee horde spam, Dark Eldar because of Poison spam and Darklight spam being pretty solid and their transports getting buffed.

>>53609109

-That squad had some real feelgoodmans behind it from rolling all those D6 to see how many times I hit. Now every one shit fart fucking poopoo peepee crys about templates but not it makes more sense they they are more effective against small units as well. While I do think there should be some 4d6 anti horde weapons. Because My friend telling me that D6 is anti horde is not fucking convincing me. So take from that what you will. It was our first games so Im sure we got some stuff wrong but using orders and alternating combats I did get guarsdmen to kill the red terror in close combat, and I almost killed that fucking mawloc I think it is? With just that verteran squad. Also the getting to pick which models day is super feelsgood laid back and you do get to enjoy those special weapons more than you would have ever gotten the chance.

>>53609037
>>53609091
Sweet
Well if hordes are gonna be a problem, surely a squad of five rubrics all armed with flamers could be a good counter

>>53609064
After playing with terminators for a bit I feel like Mixed weapon Deathwatch terminators are going to be serious nightmare fuel. 3 ass cannons plus 2 hammers and shields make something that's tougher than your average tank and hits somewhat harder than most. Not to mention the deep striking.

At least Deathwatch got something good out of this edition.

>>53609013
> Essentially if he's in combat alongside something else, nothing is running.
As soon as Boyz squads have been shot below 20 models, the Boyz cease to be a factor against well-armored enemies. Only the Boss Nobz remain a threat and they need to be taken care of by... say... scout snipers.

Seems doable.

How are Whirlwinds looking?

I wanna get into 40k. I also know nothing about it. Can you guys give me a quick rundown on the series?

>>53609177
>Only the Boss Nobz remain a threat and they need to be taken care of by... say... scout snipers.

Not the Boss Nob that are part of the unit itself. Those don't have the Character keyword, which is a key part of snipers being allowed to target them

>>53609164
4d6 auto-hits. 14 hits, so 7/9.66 wounds at -2.

They cost 13pts a pop, but they are super worth it, especially against assault armies.

>>53608195
all the armies I played that turned shit are good now. Fuck yeah

I'm still giving bedroom eyes to the Noise Marines this edition, they just seem fantastic value for the points.

>>53609183
Whirlwhind Vengeance launcher is now Str 7 and does 2 Damage. For around 100 points.

>>53609167
Absolutely, they only lack teleport homers. But expensive units being ummune to morale is very OP. Also, let's not overlook the 4 shot Storm Bolters at 12''. This is Terminator edition, let the enemy hordes come rolling in.

>>53609192
Alternatively, 10 Rubrics with a Soulreaper Cannon and two flamers to reliable deal with everything

>>53608145
>Drew Careys
Worst change is probably the name.

Beside that, loss of most of our deep strike bothers me, and our FNP was crunched into a permanent 6+ with no changes allowed - not even with haemonculi or chronos engines anymore. Those two units are now +1 T for coven units and fight phase bonus, respectively.

Best change is either the go fast shennanigans or free sergeants + 4pt agonizers for wyches, thrusting them immediately back into viability.

>>53609195
Too bad they don't have a proper model, only some seriously expensive conversion kits.

I'm considering FW Kakophonii

>>53609190
if they are not characters, they are not protected by the character targeting rule and i don't need the scout snipers but can obliterate them with everything else that the space marines can bring to bear.

So if i take a Chaos Lord then Plasma Guns aren't that threatening because i can reroll the 1s without exploding right? Unless it rolls a second 1?

Went to local GW to get rules demonstration/check things out and boy was my dice throwing game off.

Any dice throwing tutorials to not look like a total wimp/fag?

>>53609221
Yes, plasma chosen/termintors are fucking great when a lord is around

>>53609199
Good enough for crumping blobs of dudes then and not a bad price either

>>53609205
Fairly pricey though.

Five man flamer squad is at somewhat reasonable hundred and eighty points.

>>53609219
But if they are part of a unit that doesn't matter, since victim assigns wounds.

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>>53609224

>>53609219
You gotta kill the other 29 orks first with how wound allocation works this edition. A Boss nob that is part of a unit is just one model that is part of said unit.

So, which tyranid units got good now?

Carnifexes are cheaper, but don't do much.
Warriors are cheapish resilient troops now, that's it.

Dunno about the Trygon, but Genestealers seem strong.

Your opinion?

>>53609211
I use 30k Volkite weapons to count-as sonic weapons, they look pretty sweet. Not the fix-all necessary if you want to build a proper EC army, but perfectly fine to use as non-EC noise marines like I am.

I remember there being rumors about a new Death Guard Green paint around half a year ago. Do we have any new info on that?

Just went to my local GW to see how rules play etc.

Seems really intuitive and fun.

How much would you guys say is the 'starter' cost for paints, glue and so on? First thing I wanna build and paint is a squad of Rubric Marines

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>>53609249
I just want naked abs to please the abs God

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>>53609253

>>53609177

Sure, the Boyz aren't putting out that much damage, but the Meganobz next to them are, and thanks to the Boyz, they're effectively immune to Morale. That's what Boyz mobs are now; buff units that also happen to put out a shitload of attacks and carpet half the board.

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>>53609185

>Can you guys give me a quick rundown on the series?

In the grim darkness of the far future there is only war, and it's fucking metal.

>>53609261
Hey, don't get me wrong, I am hella keen on a proper Noise Marines plastic kit, because I want my opponents to be too busy questioning my sexual preferences to notice my tabletop shenanigans. But in lieu of that, I'm just using funky weapons to count-as the wub-guns

>>53609109
>>53609146
Nice to see some reporting anon, but please step away from the memes for a while.

>>53609281

To many feelsgoodmans?

>>53609065
Well, to be honest Orks are REALLY easy to paint.
If you spill something on metal parts you can ignore it and say orks are klutz.
And most of armies now will probably have a lot of troops so it won't be that diffrent unless you pick tau and go MOBILE SUIT exclusively.

>>53609265
What the fuck? When did it come out? Thanks a lot Anon, I feel dumb now!

>>53609185
https://warhammer40000.com/

>>53609303
went on pre order yesterday
together with the new starter set that includes death guard strangely enough

>>53609280
Slightly more on-topic, a six-man Noise Marine squad rocking a power sword, Blastmaster and a pair each of sonic blasters and bolters (for ablative wound purposes) comes in at a fairly affordable 136pts.

Not a bad little investment for a dependable little fire-support unit that, due to 2 attacks base and the Music of the Apocalypse ability, can certainly hold its own in a scrap. And speaking of the MotA, there's nothing whatsoever stopping you from using multiple grenades if you loose multiple models in a single combat...

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I'm reading Imperium Secundus and for now Guilliman is turning out to be quite a nice fella.

>>53609185
Once upon a time humanity flew into space and found out that the entire universe was full of shit that wanted to kill them.

So this big guy called the Emperor of Mankind made genetically modified Supersoldiers called Space Marines and proceeded to kick the shit out of everything, to lead the Space Marines he made twenty Primarch, his sons. But the main BBEGs the Gods of Chaos conspired to not have their shit kicked in and turned half the Primarchs to Chaos, this led to every Primarch getting fucked over in some way and the Emps in a coma-like state.

Jump 10 million years into the future. The Imperium of Mankind is a mostly terrible place to live, it is constantly attacked and fucked over by Orks, Space Elves, Evil Space Elves, Weeaboo Communists, Space Bug Hivemind #541, Robot Space Egyptians, Daemons and Chaos Space Marines. The Imperium fight back with everything, Space Marines, the Imperial Guard, Space Robot Engineer People, More Space Marines, Giant Robot Knights etc.

Shits fucked, Everyone is fucked up, 110% of the setting runs on either pure Awesome or pure Autism.

It's pretty cool.

>>53609276
Does he have a 'hate' tattoo on his fingers lmao

>>53609276
Is that a fucking chaos squat?

>>53608800
Admech get a penalty in that canticles only works if everything in the detachment have it.

>>53609343
that's a space ork

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How are Imperial Knights in this edition? Haven't played since 5th or 6th and I have a burning desire for giant robots

>>53608395
Btw. They said that the Lucius Pattern Dreadnought drop pod is in the Forgeworld Index. So everyone who wants to drop their dreads there you go.

>>53609358
FLG playtesters say they're very strong. Sounds like an army of Mostly Knights still works.

>>53609246
I'm liking the new trygon/sporocyst shenanigans now you can guarantee everything to come with the trygon at once. lots of rerolling of 1s and "template" weapons seem less effective against really big mobs means general boost to everything.
Maleceptors still fucking suck donkey dick and Zoanthropes don't seem as good.
Less reliance on Flyrants is nice though

>>53609269
Termies > Meganobz
Deathwatch Termies >> Megabnobz

>>53603383
Thats your fault for thinking that a book would last longer than half a year tho really

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Iron """""Warriors"""""
PFFFFT-AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>53609373
You forgot the last one
>>Digganobz

>>53609358
They look fun.

Theoretically everything can hurt them, but 24 wounds is no joke. They appear to have a bit of glass jaw against hordes of doods, and have received a points hike. A 2000 pt list will look more like 3-4 knights than five.

They will probably kill the shit out of any singular target in close combat barring another knight, though.

>>53609377
IW don't even have melta bombs in 8th.

I might be wrong, but have they removed the Vendetta gunship?

All I can see is the Valk.

>>53609409
No plastic model. They're in the Forgeworld Index now.

>Plaguebearers can no longer attack and fuck them up despite armor
Dang it GW i liked my shambling hordes that were surprisingly effective just walking into vehicles, and it would have fit brilliantly with this new "DRIVE ME CLOSER" shit.

So is there a solid way to run an almost entirely terminator based list in 8th?

>>53609389
>>53609370
Neato. If swarms are gonna be an issue I'll have to dig out my deathwing, deepstriking is hella more safer

>>53609437
Yes. There's a detachment which is 1 HQ and a pile of Elites for the compulsory choices. Plus Termies are solid in 8th. Keep in mind you can't deep strike your whole army in matched play though. Only 50%.

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>‘Join with me,’ said Fulgrim seductively. ‘You must be tired of all this strife. We can bring an end to war, and revel together in sweet excess for all eternity. I can show you things, pleasures, you would never have dreamed existed. You think of the warp as a hell, but it can be a heaven also. Together, we can usher in an age of delight for all mankind that will never end.’

Fulgrim confirmed gay for Roboute.

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>>53609146
>>53609109

Need more Konscript.

For real though, no better anti horde than your own horde.

>>53609479
Fulgrim is a Slaanesh daemon now ya dingus, he's gay for everybody

How does this look?

Supreme Command Detachment

HQ
Magnus the Red
415 pts

Ahriman on Disc of Tzeentch
166 pts

Exalted Sorcerer on Disc of Tzeentch x2
240 pts

Elite
Scarab Occult Terminators x5
Soulreaper cannon
254 pts

Scarab Occult Terminators x5
Soulreaper cannon
254 pts

Troops
Rubric Marines x10
217 pts

Rubric Marines x10
217 pts

Tzaangors x10
Icon of Flame
80 pts

Tzaangors x10
Icon of Flame
80 pts

Tzaangors x10
Icon of Flame
80 pts


Total: 2,003 pts

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>>53609493
>3 points over

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/tg/ I've read the leaks but I'm still confused about transports in 8th
Can I include 2 separate 5man SM units in one drop pod? (Not 1 unit combat squaded)

>>53609488
Shit, at this point he's straight, curvy, pointy or just whatever you want him to be.

>>53609493
>2,003 pts

>>53609481
Having a huge blob of throwaway bodies in front of your army to zone away deep strikers also seems very usefull.

>>53609488
He still tried to corrupt him second time when it didn't worked 9000 years ago, he must have some yaoi lust after Guilly.

>>53609507
You can even load up a drop pod with nothing but characters, each being a seperate unit.

>>53609261
Why does Chaos love arrows so much?
>that face tattoo
What a fucking memester.

>>53609493
fix your point cost

>>53608395
Why are Scions considered good now?

Can't watch the stream.

Is Señor Kantor any good this edition?

>>53609512

Indeed Comrade. I plan to make some Penal Legion scum to serve as my mine clearance devi- I mean valued Konscripts of the Imperium

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>>53609528
Because arrows are so edgy

>>53609493
What's your anti tank?

Remove Magnus and some tzaangors and get a land raider IMO

>>53608217
Their stealth and shrouded became a flat -1 to hit, so it was kinda necessary to increase their durability.

I noticed something: Also, as far as I can tell by RAW Blood Angels can give Jump Packs to any of the models they share with the regular Marine list. Yes, any.

That means Jump Terminators, Jump Bikes, Jump Gravis, Jump Dreadnoughts, Jump Land Raiders...

The last part has only one explanation and it's here:

*Somewhere in Baal*

Cawl: Lord Guilliman! I've prepared a new invention that I'm sure will give you the last incentive to appoint me as Fabricator-General of Mars.

Guilliman: What is it this time Cawl? Did you strap three jokaero into a drop pod to increase its firepower?

Cawl: Even better! I've strapped twenty jump packs into the back of this Land Raider Redeemer to give the Blood Angels and successors! Behold the Jump-Assault Raider or, as i like to cawl it,the JAR JAR Tank!

Guilliman: I must scream and I have no mouth...

Cawl: Begin the test!

*Land raider goes up ten feet and then backflips and crashes into a pire of flame as pieces of shrapnel and wreckage scythe through the ranks of the gathered astartes, priests, and servitors.

Random Guy 1: My leg! My leg!

Random Guy 2: Please, kill me! GAAAH!

Random Guy 3: M-mom...

Guilliman: "..."

Cawl: "... I want a modest banquet to celebrate my appointment, please don't invite more than two billion guests. If you excuse me, I must go and choose one of my ninety two thousand four hundred sixty-six speeches made for this occassion by my AI er I mean Program Cawl Inferior!"

>>53609561
Magnus is his anti-tank. Big red can wreck face in melee m8.

>>53609495
>>53609509
>>53609532
Alright
No Icons of Flame

1973 pts

>>53609534
four special weapons at 10-men
volley guns got buffed
taurox prime got buffed
scion lieutenant man got buffed
command squad still good as ever

I weep for my grimdark special forces men, for they will have to suffer the weight of the faggot tourneyplayers soon.

>>53609481
>>53609512

True, Gotta think like the edition! Simple Meta stuff like that is already popping up. But it's actually neat stuff not fucking how am I gonna deal with wraithknight shit.

>>53609528
An arrow points in a direction. Several arrows point in several directions. Chaos.

>>53609318
Yep, I'm sold.

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>>53609563
>Joking about flying land raiders
GW is way ahead of you.

>>53609534
Tons of deep strike with accurate special weapons for pretty cheap. Taurox Prime is probably too good for its points.

>>53609584

That's a grav-raider. Not a jump-raider. Humph.

>>53609592
No difference these days.

>>53609563
All units that are allowed to take a jump pack are marked with a tiny 1

Only Company Veterans, Company Ancient, Techmarine, Company Champion and Apothecary have that.

>>53609583
There was also a guy called Magnus who was unjustly persecuted just for trying to do the right thing. It's pretty much universally agreed he did nothing wrong.

2000pts Imperial Guard
Battle-Forged, 9 Command Points
Battalion Detachment
Company Commander with Power Sword - 34pts
Tank Commander with Punisher Cannon and 3 Heavy Bolters - 211pts

Command Squad with Medi-Pack, Regimental Standard, Vox-Caster and Plasma Gun - 33pts
Platoon Commander - 20pts
Command Squad with Vox-Caster and 3 Plasma Guns - 32pts
5 Ratlings - 25pts

4x Infantry Squad with Vox-Caster and Plasma Gun - 208pts

2 Basilisks with Heavy Bolters - 216pts
2 Leman Russ Battle Tanks with Eradicator Nova Cannon, Executioner Plasma Cannon, 4 Heavy Bolters and 2 Plasma Cannons - 371pts

Battalion Detachment
2x Lord Commissar with Power Sword - 100pts

Platoon Commander - 20pts
Command Squad with Vox-Caster and 3 Plasma Guns - 32pts

4x Infantry Squad with Vox Caster and Plasma Gun - 208pts

Manticore with Heavy Bolter - 133pts
2 Leman Russ Battle Tanks with Eradicator Nova Cannon, Punisher Cannon, and 6 Heavy Bolters - 357pts

I'm super pumped with the new Guard. We're back, boys, and we're going to make R. Lee Ermey proud.

>>53609599

Honestly, who cares, I got a good chuckle out of him. Like Alfabusa says: what are rules?

For my first set of Kastellan Robots, how should I set them up? Or should I try to magnetize their arms and shoulders?

>>53609493
I'm not sure about Ahriman and ExSorcs. Until you get more powers for them to use, you can't expect full value from them. I'd get Soulreapers on my Rubrics, transports and maybe a squad of Warpflamer Rubric instead.

I mean, i guess you could run Magnus and single ExSorc? Magnus could use Smite and two while ExSorc could use third power.

>>53608395
>Craftworld Eldar counted as worst

Why? In the index they seem pretty solid

What do you guys think of this Death Guard list at 850? The Warp Talons are just some other legion, doesn't really matter since they are all chaos so i can mix and match legions as long as i don't care about losing the lord's aura on those guys, and I'd rather they be in the thick of it not near my plasmaball. Still though, would a stock helbrute fill those points better?
Chaos Lord 74
Combi Plasma 15
Power Axe 5
Malignant Plaguecaster 110
5 Plague Marines 105
Champion Combi Bolter 2
2 Plasma Guns 26
5 Plague Marines 105
Champion Combi Bolter 2
2 Plasma Guns 26
15 Poxwalkers 120
15 Poxwalkers 120
5 Warp Talons 140

>>53609563
You think he and Kel'shan are pen palls?

Kel'shan: "And then I figured 'you know, if they're going to try and get close anyway, why not put really big flamers on a Riptide?'"

Cawl: "Ah yes, classic. I remember that from my younger days. Speaking of which, those riptides of yours game me an idea."

Kel'shan: "Oh?"

Cawl: "Yes! Get this: I strap twenty jump packs into the back of this Land Raider Redeemer. It gets to go really fast, almost fly, and not only gets where it needs to go far more swiftly but also carves a bloody path through anything in between!"

Kel'shan: "Oh you absolute madman! I want vids."

is the Taurox the only good thing Scions have going for them with the "lmao 20 shots" gun or is there something else working for them?

>>53609554
basically, he's okay, since eternal warrior does not exist anymore, so he's not lacking anything in that department. he gives an additional attack and rerolls to hits in shooting/melee within 6''.

Am I mistaken or is the Boss Nob a free upgrade? I can't see the points for it.

>>53609676

Ynnari is a straight upgrade, giving you more options with basically no downsides. Also the entire army got more expensive without getting any buffs.

That was their reason.

Craftworld Eldar will do just fine on the tabletop but won't make it in the ultra-competitive WAAC circuits where Ynnari are objectively the better choice.

>>53609712
Almost all sergants are a free upgrade now. Aspiring Sorcerers seem to be the only exception.

>>53609700
Deep striking special weapons at good BS.

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>>53609516
Fulgrim just doesnt wanna kill him because killing Ferrus made him so sad, he loves his brothers a lot so its very hard for him. It'd be a lot happier if him and Guilliman could hold hands and be best friends again.

>>53609700
>10 point deep striking troops with -2 mod guns and four special weapons

>is the Taurox the only good thing Scions have going for them

>>53609723
>45pts

I hate that he is forced to take Force Weapons, they are so damn expensive.

>>53609700

four special weapons in a 10 man squad that can deep strike and benefits from orders.

>>53609655
It's doable with a little messing about.but personally I think they work spectacularly better at being shooting platforms. With the right positioning, 3 Phosphor Blasters each and Dakka Protocol you shoot 18 S6 AP-2 D1 shots at 36" per 110pt beepboop. Even at BS4+ that's devastating, and you can easily get them a reroll. You have dedicated CC troops that to better at it than throwing a few punches occasionally, and flamers are now complete shit anyway. These guys are pretty much Admech's goto infantry clearance nowadays.

Them and a squad of Destroyers for infantry, Vanguard and Infiltrators for hordes, Arquebus Rangers for Character buff sniping, a couple Domini for repairan and buffan and then an row of 5++ reroll ones Dunecrawlers firing Neutron Lasers or ungodly hails of missiles. Pay a Command Point for access to a Vindicare and that's going to fairly quickly shred anything buffing their elites, too.

Can't wait for Triaros tanks. I want to throw 20 Fulgurites at some poor bastard and come out with 20 3++ FnP 5+ maniacs.

>>53609714
Cool. So basically you're saying they'd be mid tier-ish if Ynnari didn't exist?

That's ideal for me, because it means I can run craftworld eldar in the majority of games and swap ruleset to ynnari when playing against top tier armies.

>>53609687
This is now my headcanon, along with him being a very well-adjusted Gestalt mind akin to Galatea done right, to explain his omnidisciplinary bullshit.

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According to pic related, it's possible to take a AdMech-Space Marine CAD, isn't it ?

>>53609773
Yes. But your admech dudes will lose Canticles.

>>53609773

Yes, using the Imperium keyword as your faction keyword you could put pretty much anything from Index: Imperium 1 and 2 in a single detachment.

So considering that you can pretty easily lock Leman Russes and other vehicles with combat+fall back and never make them shoot, is it worth to swap out 2 LRs Executioner for a Hellhammer and swap out Pask with a LR Punisher for Yarrick (wich gives his bonus to my other vehicles too)?
My list would look something like this:

Spearhead Detachment +1cp

Yarrick 130

Astropath 15
+telepathic staff 6

3x Wyvern 3x85
+3x h.bolter 3x8

4x Manticore 4x125
4x h.bolter 4x8

Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment

Hellhammer 450
+demolisher cannon 40
+2x h.bolter 2x8
+autocannon 15

1483pts 4cp

>>53609782
Why ? They still get the Canticles rule.

>>53609747
Still cheaper than they were before, at least.

>>53609749
That sounds pretty great. I'm just starting out and I've been painting my first Skitarii start collecting box as rangers (apparently unfortunately), because I think their flintlocks and hoods just straight up look cooler than buckets and rayguns from the vanguards.

I'm inevitably picking up a second Start Collecting box because of the raw value inside in the near future, do you think I should sell off the second Dunecrawler, or just keep it around?