Warhammer 40k general /40kg/

>>53601722
First for the Drukhari! Long live Commorragh!

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Assembled the whole new box today, AMA

Playing our first 8th edition game tomorrow, 1500 pts.

I'm bringing:

Captain
Terminator Librarian

10 Tacticals
10 Tacticals

5 Sternguard in a razorback
5 Vanguard
5 cataphractii
Contemptor dread

Predator

He's bringing:
Old One Eye
Flying tyrant
Brood lord

20 genestealers
30 hormagaunts
10 termagants
10 termagants
3 warriors

2 carnifexes
trygon prime
biovore


I think I'm about to get my ass kicked.

>>53601763
How hard was it to put together? They're snap fit right? Is there the option to put different shoulderpads on them?

What chapter are you going to paint them as?

I just bought my first minis today (Necron Warriors), and I also got the tool set from Army Painter. It comes with super glue

Can I get away with using super glue instead of plastic glue, or is that not really a thing I should do?

>>53601796
Fuck plastic glue, only use superglue.

>>53601813

So there's no adverse effects of using superglue on plastics?

>>53601722
>Where the fuck is the thread Edition

OP forgot to give it a title.
>>53600090

>>53601796
super glue will work, honestly if you're just starting out it's probably better - plastic glue will basically melt the plastic together so any newbie mistakes you make are permanent, super glue is a pain but it can be snapped if you have to change something

>>53601827
Let it die. If you don't know how to use 4chan, stop trying to make threads.

>>53601793

I heard they require glue

>>53601827
>a general without a header

just delete it

>>53601813
This. Fucking retards on /tg/ talking shit about super glue because they're retarded and can't use it right or buy the right brand, then insist on plastic glue for everything and end up needing super glue for resin/metal anyways.

Can't count how many times someone fucked up with plastic glue then goes "WHAT DO" and I tell them not to use plastic glue anymore and the retards swarm out of the woodwork to defend plastic glue.

14th for Cawl is a Heretek.

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>>53601763
What's up, little man?

>>53601897
>tfw I'm not fucking retarded and use plastic glue just fine

>>53601813
>>53601897

I use Crazy Glue for everything. It's strong enough to hold even if the model is dropped - but if you want to tear a model down it cleanly breaks on flat surfaces. IE: Marine arms. (Pinned joints is a different point though.)

>>53601897
>durrhurr styrene cement doesn't work on metal or polyurethane resin
Well no fucking duh. Use the right tools for the job.

>>53601963

Yeah, right tools for the job. Plastic glue should only be used on vehicle hulls and similar joins. Using it for feet to base or 25mm infantry limbs is fucking retarded. Good luck getting that shit apart if you need future work, or if you drop it and it breaks somewhere other than the join.

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>>53601730
Another Kabalite for Commorragh!

Side note, do Aura abilities of two Characters stack? We'll use the Master of Pain of the Haemonculous as the example, if there are two of them next to each other, do they each get +2T or just +1T

I know they don't in 7th and I'm going to assume they don't in 8th but I can't find anything in the leaked rules that specifically say they do not stack.

What is the next decent 8th tournament? I want to see top 8 lists before buying my new army.

>>53601933
>>53601963
>retards flocking out of the woodwork

Right on cue, too fucking stupid to even keep their mouth shut when the penis is blatantly slapping them in the face. This is the sort of mouthbreathing retard that uses plastic glue.

>>53601991
All the aura abilities I have read are worded in a way that makes them not stack. I suppose Master of pain is like that.

Will this be a good army? Buying most of it used.

VANGUARD DETACHMENT

HQ
Commander Shadowsun [167]

Elite
Riptide w/ ATS and Drone Controller [317]
Riptide w/ ATS and Drone Controller [317]
Riptide w/ ATS and Drone Controller [317]
Riptide w/ ATS and Drone Controller [317]

Fast Attack
Marker Drones x4 [56]

TOTAL = 1491

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rate

Should I keep the broodlord or take a deathleaper and something else? Broodlord can't get missiled with the genestealers using Hive Commander so the blob won't get benefits until turn 2 at the very least

>>53601984
What the fuck is wrong with your models that you need to break them apart after assembly? They're not LEGO.

>>53602007
Ah, fuck I'm illiterate, I misread how the ability works. At least they affect the models themselves.

>>53602000
Waste of trips right here.

>>53601991
>>53602007
I confirm, the master of pain ability says that it gives +1T to friendly models within 6" of one or more models with the ability. So no stacking.

>>53602000
Skub vs anti-skub pic your poison. If you take literally 10 seconds to pre-fit shit before using plastic glue you won't have a single issue and you won't leave a fuckhuge fingerprint made of superglue on the model because it dripped out of the 2 pieces you were gluing. But apparently you're too stupid to even do that.

>>53602029
>Warhammer 40k
>where literally every edition the ideal loadouts for units and characters change
>buh why you need to do that?

retard detected

Tourneyfags, what army are you looking to build for eighth?

>can't use Primaris in drop pods
>can't use Dreads in drop pods

WHY

>>53602074
>Tourneyfags build their armies

>>53602074
Nids but the go to will be IG

>>53601916

is it the base, or are Custodes still taller than Primaris Marines?

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Got some painting in.

>>53602067
Buy new models, poorfag.

What does the math say about equipping meganobz? should we be giving them burnas, rokkits, killsaws, nothing at all?

>>53601763
How big are the primaries marines compared to the death guard?

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So I was reading up the stats of this guy since I like the model and the more I look at the power first the more I think it's not really worth those 20 points. Heck, I don't know if I would pay 15 points for it.

Why ? Well, mainly the fast it's doomed to wound vehicles on 5+ only and because it deals only d3 wounds no matter how tough the target is. On top of that they have the -1 to hit.

Compared to that the master crafted power sword is cheaper, doesn't come with the to hit penalty but wounds vehicles only on 6s and deals 2 wounds consistently. Granted not everyone has access to it but it's still rather take power swords on terminators rather than pay 20 points for mediocre weapon that the fist has become.

>>53602142
Bigger.

>>53602109

Can you take a straight on shot of them next to a marine and terminator? no titlted angles, no from above views, 100% parallel to the model.

>>53601793
I put together the entire set in about 2 hours. They arent snapfit, but they are in like 2-3 pieces per marine. shoulderpads are attached to the arms unfortunately

>>53602142
Not much taller, maybe half a head taller

>>53602029
>self explanatory
>>53602051
>caring about trips
>>53602059
>pic
>too stupid to buy non-drip super glue
>too stupid to not leave fingerprints in super glue
>too stupid to not let glue seep out
>too stupid to realize plastic glue has the same problem as super glue in terms of seepage and fingerprints

Holy fucking shit how can people be this obliviously and obviously retarded.

>>53602215
reeeee

Are Khorne Daemons any good lads?

ive been under a rock how in the fuck have they pulled these new marines of ? how the hell is ANY space marine chapter going to tolerate these new guys never mind the more fanatical ones?

what "upgrades" have been made to these guys or does it look like we have a thunder warrior situation on the horizon lore wise what are we now talking powerscale wise eg: big E, primarchs, custodes, Nu marines, "old" marines ?

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>>53601885
>>53601862
This shit is hilarious since a year ago people only knew how to find the thread by looking for a static general image.

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Noob question,
Are the Chaos Space Marines in this set generic?
Can I paint them as any legion or warband or are they specific models for Crimson slaughter?

I know the dark angels are specific dark angels models btw.

>>53602302
Cawl put a picture of Guilliman giving a thumbs-up on all the crates he shipped out

>>53602341
Someone paint this on the shipping containers and document, please.

>>53602302
The galaxy is fucked enough that the Imperium are taking any help they can get. They have the slightest of justifications, that's enough for most, considering how much everyone's been depleted by Chaos' bullshit.

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>>53602341
This really made me kek. My minds eye thought pic related but with Bobby G. Instead.

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>>53602160
Took that photo yesterday so I can't help you out, but I'd say they're about as tall as those push-fit Terminators I guess although they're not as bulky.

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Be straight with me, /tg/

How badly have the Custodes been nerfed?

Is there anything stopping a sergeant from taking 2 plasma pistols?

It says "Up to two weapons can be chosen from the following list:" so I'd assume that it's fine. Want to run all of my Dark Angel tactical sergeants with 2 plasma pistols along with a plasma gun and a plasma cannon; riding this plasma buff hot and hard.

>>53602429
Anything could have been better than that datasheet.

>>53602429
They're pretty fuckin' good in my opinion with all the OP shit being nerfed and the shit shit being buffed to good shit

>>53602143
Most vehicles are T8 or worse so a fist would be wounding them on 3s or 4s.
Not so bad really. Also keep in mind the captain gets to reroll 1s to hit from his aura

>>53601722
Is that a grav Rhino? Hot damn.

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>>53602011

>>53602302
>ive been under a rock how in the fuck have they pulled these new marines of ?

Cawl has been making them for ten thousand years.

>how the hell is ANY space marine chapter going to tolerate these new guys never mind the more fanatical ones?

They've got a Primarch's blessing and once they prove themselves in combat most Marine chapters welcome them with open arms.

>what "upgrades" have been made to these guys

They are bigger and stronger. They've got three additional implants that we don't know about quite yet.

>does it look like we have a thunder warrior situation on the horizon lore wise

No. Guilliman isn't so wasteful. But he has made it clear Primaris is the new paradigm, and that the old type of Marines will be phased out.

>what are we now talking powerscale wise eg: big E, primarchs, custodes, Nu marines, "old" marines ?

Yes.

>>53602330
Yes.

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>>53602434
they can, and its a nerf to plasma, you don't get your armor save anymore, you just die. you can mitigate it with apothecaries and rerolls, as in pic related.

on other notes, the Battlescribe files continue apace, look for the v3 release tonight or tomorrow morning with vanilla marines completely finished (all rules, profiles and weapons) currently doing up IG for a friend.


pic related is a rather hilarious list, it seems devastator squads are the new black for regular marines.

>>53602011
Probably not. Lacks variety, doesn't have that much firepower, and you're going to have a hell of a time holding objectives.

You'll be hard as hell to actually kill.

Do we have a list of prices for the new stuff?

How to fix T'Au:

Give marker drones a single rolled bonus

>>53602442
>>53602446

>8 Ld
>good

>>53602500
It's a buff because you don't have to overcharge anymore, and even then captains and all the named captains give re-rolls to hit so overcharging isn't even that dangerous. Also Plasma pistols are cheaper.

>>53602500
> Battlescribe files
Link?

>>53602526
Almost nothing has above 8. Marines are 7 normally.

>>53602517
Why fix them?

>>53602429
I don't know how to tell you this, but Custodes are fags, man.

>>53602554

Wasn't their WS nerfed too?

>>53602585
Custodes are better than you think.

>>53602573

>butthurt eldar player

>>53602585
Making sure: Do you know how morale works in 8th?

>>53602600

Not that guy but my Eldar are playing very well right now.

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>>53602607

No

Care to give me a quick rundown?

Catch me up on Blood Angels in 8th, how did we handle the transition?

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>>53602548

https://www.mediafire.com/?2mzol62douh3jif

still in heavy development because manual entry a whole game system, if you find errors you can post here and I might catch it, I'll have an address to send shit to by the time the full system is done.

I need to figure out how to into github for easier releases.

Currently doing IG, then either xenos stuff or other marines or chaos depending on demand.

It's weird how the Eldar SC no longer provides a legal army, since there's no Troops in there for a Patrol. What troop option would you recommend for a new Eldar player in 8th, alongside a SC? Craftworlds.

>>53602656
Roll a dice, add how many died. Subtract your leadership and whatever left over is how many models in that unit runs away.

>>53602656
You roll 1d6 at the end of the turn, add the number of guys you lost that turn to that number, and subtract your leadership.

That's how many guys flee the fight and are removed from play.

No more falling back, being pinned, etc. You're either in the fight and working fine, or you've fled and no longer exist on this battlefield.

I'd say leadership 8 on 1d6 is pretty good.

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>>53602600
I promise that I don't play any variety of Eldar. But Custodes entire aesthetic just looks like shit.

>>53602662
Personal request list, not having looked at what you have done yet:
> Necrons
> SoB
> Deathwatch
> Inquisition
> Orks

In that order.

>>53602710

mad

>>53602690

What?

>>53602501
What variety do I need? What's wrong with 2+ re-rolling heavy 12 -3 x4 weapons and rending SMS?

I can hover around objectives then use the 2d6 nova move to them in the final turns if I have to.

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>>53602710

salty

ara ara

Someones mad about Big E's glorious golden banana men shitting on your Solitaire

>>53602715

Current plan is to do minor factions in between major ones, as each major faction takes a while with raw data entry.

thankfully the rules across datasheets are mostly the same with minor variables, so for now I've just linked them all to the most common variant (example of this is the explodes rule) once I have done the major rough pass with everything blocked in I can go back and fix tiny details like that (and fix terminator selection logic, not looking forward to that)

>>53602753

ARe those their actual terminators? That's pretty rad.

>>53602690
> Eldar
> Troops options in 8th that aren't overcosted taxes that will die to bolters even outside rapid fire range
Good luck with that, fellow Aeldari.

Primaris Termies when?

Suggested stats?

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>>53602738
> What's wrong with 2+ re-rolling heavy 12 -3 x4 weapons and rending SMS?
>I can hover around objectives then use the 2d6 nova move to them in the final turns if I have to.
Zero effort trolling.

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>>53602772

They look a tad bit too thin for my taste

>>53602787

Shruiken Cannon Bikes are still good, as are rangers.

>>53601824
No. Super glue is just far, far weaker. Super glued parts can break off. Plastic glued parts are welded together.

Played my first game of 8th edition

CSM
vs
SM
vs
DE

1750.

It was okay, my opponents made every goddamn 5++ save in the world.
and I got sandwiched it's hard to draw a conclusion about an army without a 1v1.

That being Said. Rhinos and Dreadnoughts are disappointing.
Assault Terminators don't put out enough attacks for the points.

Well shit, Legion of the Damned got shuffled up and lost a bunch of options.
Upside is they can straight up fit in my Blood Angels detachment now, and they don't have to start off the table any more.
Downside is that their weapon options are basically lifted from the garbage tier Imperial Agents unit profile, they lost Fear and their freedom to move and shoot all weapons without penalty too.
Looks like I'll be shelving my Centurius model again for the foreseeable future and RIP triple melta squad.
Still, lost more out of my Inquisition force than my LotD one, I'm starting to feel real salty about the loss of armour options.

>>53602468
More like a grav heavy razorback. Its got two lascannons and a heavy lascannon.

Exploding shit is the best

>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Chaos-Daemons-of-Slaanesh-Starter-Collection-ENG-2017
squatting obsessed fags btfo

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>>53602716
>>53602753
About many things, I'm likely angrier than I care to admit. Right now, I could certainly be happier about this cellphone roguelike.

I'm not mad about Custodes, though. They look like someone fed all of history's worst parade uniforms to a yak, waited for it to pass, and then stitched it all back together, and then said to themselves, "I bet I could make an even uglier piece of shit than this."

Again, not Eldar. My army of choice has the most beautiful models in the entire citadel line, but is sadly unavailable in 40k.

how fucking mad is dante ( assuming he still alive) going to be after fighting off tyranids and chaos for who knows how much time has passed on baal thanks to the new warp fuckery and roboute turns up with his shiny new marines and sleek tacticool patterns and saying this how things are now?

do you think we may have a aesthetic and technology variety thanks to this rift of east and west with certain armies, while the new crusade goes the route of sleeker "future" look we'll have a even more blunt borderline arcane look than we have in current imperium on the east of the imperium

>>53602753
I like em alot but since they are an all gold army and emp's bodyguards, it's impossible to really go all "Your Dudes" mode with em.

>>53602936
Speaking of, any good cellpohone roguelikes?

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The Anglican Third were called upon once again to be the Emperor's Hammer against the forces of the Traitor and the Heretic. But on this diseased and evil world not even their tanks and numbers would be guarantees of victory...
Played a 4000pt game of Tactical escalation against Death Guard today (Fully painted too) what about you anons? And would anyone be interested in a batrep? And probably will be my last game of 7th.

How rare are Titan sized daemons in the lore?

>>53602659
Bump

>>53602917
>Fits 6 Prime Marines
>5 man squads
>More weapons than a Razorback
Fuck that is kind of sweet. Makes me actually consider taking them to augment my guard if it's any good.

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>>53602811
>>53602772
Based on the old design.

>>53602659
Blood Angels are in a better place at the moment with 8th's changed to assault.
Pros:
>Sanguinary Guard now have 2 wounds and a 2+ save
>Death Company have access to 4 point power swords. Black Rage gives them +1 Attack in the Fight phase if they Charged and allows the unit to ignore wounds on a D6 roll of 6.
>Sanguinary Priests give +1 Strength to Blood Angels units within 6" and can heal or revive a model within 3" each turn
>Baal Predator is dead killy now and is the only vehicle that still has overcharged engines

Cons:
>Inferno Pistols are 20 points
>Lost overcharged engines on all vehicles but the Baal Predator
>Lost the option to take meltaguns in assault squads
>Librarians are restricted to the Sanguinary Discipline (I haven't had a look at the powers yet).
>Sanguinary Guard with Chapter Banner is now a 4 Wound Elites choice called an Ancient. BA units within 6" do not need to take Morale tests and re-roll wound rolls of 1 in the Fight phase.
>Special Characters are restricted to their chapters. The example they give is that Dante cannot be fielded in a successor chapter.

>>53602863
Everyone can move and fire heavy weapons at just -1 to hit now.

>>53602936

Get the fuck out you HH fag. God damn I hate all of you just for your shitty fucking attitude.

>Sorry I don't play 40k - I only play HH

>>53602973
stick 5 hellblasters and a lieutenant in there. if any of the hellblasters anhero from thier own weapon they get to shoot again before being removed.

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>>53602932
Did you get a screen cap? Because that link is dead for me.

>>53602967
Pretty rare, if you don't count the titans which are wholly or mostly possessed. At that point you're straddling the line between a demon and something else.

>>53602991
>>Librarians are restricted to the Sanguinary Discipline

What the fuck? Why?

>>53602963
Fuck yea

I wanna see some chaos!

>>53603033
Everyone is restricted to their army's discipline now. It helps GW control who has access to what, and in return limit the number of game-breaking combos.

>>53603033
Ever sub faction has their own psychic power set and ONLY their own. Basically you only ever have access to like 3 psychic powers + smite and your faction determines what those 3 are.

On the plus side you always have those 3. Psychics are much weaker this edition but seem to consistently have a purpose.

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>>53602990
I thought that reminded me of something.

>>53603067
>>53603071
Pity that the blood angels powers are crap in comparison to the standard ones.

>>53602429

I like them, with shields they're a really solid counter assault unit. If your opponent isn't running something at you though it'll probably take too long for them to get chopping.

>>53603089
> Shield of Sanguinus
> Crap
Pick one and only one.

>>53603067
>>53603071
Seems a bit odd that Librarians get stuck to whatever. I understand why, I guess, but still upsetting. What does that mean for my man Loth? I can't build my superduper guy who attacks with his pistol at S7 AP2 any more? Shame.

>>53603089
They seem fine to me. Have you READ any of the other ones?

>>53603089
Doesn't matter, all their units were buffed. SM are probably the best faction in the game right now, specially the furfags.

>>53603099
It's the only one which is passable and invuns aren't nearly as important as before.

>>53603071
>mfw I can no longer stack Sensory Overload and Symphony of Pain on my Jump Pack Slaaneshi Sorcerers because I'm stuck using the admittedly decent Chaos Marine discipline

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53601775
Post the battle report tomorrow after the game.

>>53603089

Are you fucking retarded? 3D6 Toughness test, for every point you fail by take a mortal wound?

>>53603089
That's always been the case. Sanguinary was always Biomancy + Pyromancy babby power discipline.

But before you could just go with default. Now? Now you're fucked. This means Iron Hands will be getting the insane vehicle buffing abilities then.

>>53601897
anon, its not our fault you tried to use plastic glue on magnets and got butthurt when you got laughed at at your local game store. plastic glue is superior for plastics, superglue is for when plastic glue cant work

>>53602998
>Accuses other anon of having shitty attitude while being both incredibly stupid AND hostile.
You must play Space Marines.

If Skaven were actually in HH I'd have a reason to play the imperialfag's containment game.

I do play 40k, it just doesn't have my favorite army.

>>53603133
Compared to smite which is straight D3 mortal wounds?

>>53603125
Unleash Rage is +1 attack on an assault unit
How can you say that's bad?!

>>53603117
I'm not going to make any announcements either way, but necrons seem really, really, really strong right now.

With two relatively cheap characters and a cheap vehicle a 20 man squads models get back up on a 4+ per model every turn for the entire game and on two of those turns you can roll for every model that ever died twice.

And those are all aura abilities so you could probably get like 3 or more units within range of it.

>>53603153
The space marine one is + 1 strength, toughness and attacks

>>53603152

That must target the nearest enemy unit at all times? The average number of wounds from Blood Boil on a T4 unit is 7, that's pretty fucking good.

>>53603185
That's not how blood boil works. It's one mortal wound per result that's equal or higher it can only deal 3 max.

So how are Deff Koptas now?

>>53603089

Bro, you're utter shit. All 3 BA powers are super useful and perform very well in the context of the army.

>>53603175
On a single model, not a whole unit like the BA one

>>53602662
Missed Vulcan hestan my friend as well as the evicirator on the assault squad

>>53603203
Ok, so a psyker can cast both powers in a single turn, it's not a question of either or, it's both and

>>53603203
Still better than smite since you can actually choose your target.

>>53603175

For one model, not an entire unit.

>>53603256
Still a pretty crap power. You'd never take it over the other two.

>relics are no where to be seen
>i have a model with what used to be a relic
>He is now an illegal model
Just fuck my shit up famalam

>>53602024
Anyone?

>>53603298

That model cannot possible represent anything else?

>>53602074

5 St. Celestines and whatever else junk required to delete the enemy.

Sanguinary Discipline is two great powers and one pretty weak one. I still like it more than Librarius though.

>>53602302
old marines can become new marines

so I take it Dark Imperium is out, does anyone know if there's any mentions of the new organs?

I really like how they changed Sanguinary Priests to have a +1 Str 6 inch AOE for all BA. It nicely matches the lore of fighting harder in the presence of a blood chalice.

So familia, are the Dark Eldar good? What are the best units/most improved?

>>53603329
Is Celestine really good enough to take 5?

>>53603298
>illegal
No, even if you're strict wysiwyg you just ignore it or choose the generic equivalent if its a weapon.

>>53603334
That's pretty much par for the course for all of the disciplines

>>53603314
It is a librarian in terminator armour with a plasma pistol. So sadly nope.

>>53603298
What the fuck kind of relic is it? A weapon is a weapon just use the power sword/axe/maul equivalent and anything else can be ignored.

>>53603329
i didn't check sisters, senpai, but Cawl has a rule specifically stating you can only have 1 of him in your army, and i'd eat my hat if Celestine doesn't as well

>>53603368
>take a combi-plasma
>never use the boltgun
bang, done

>>53603314
Not that guy, but I have a Chaos Lord converted with a Sonic Blaater for that EC relic that came out in traitor legions

>>53603377
She doesn't which is why people brought it up.

>>53603329

Why would you aim to build something you know is going to get FAQ'd out? So you can come back to /tg/ and whine once they do it?

>>53603377
She doesn't my dude.

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>>53601722
describe an event or group/faction in 40k with a spongebob quote or scene

>>53603209
Good, big bomms are free and fucking awesome.

>>53603397

Yeah being able to do a possible 5 mortal wounds per kopta just for moving over someone is awesome.

>>53603390
>>53603394
>GW in charge of proofreading
probably the first thing to get FAQ'd

relics and shit are going to be back once the codex hits most likely. These indexes are temporary.

>>53602995
Sure, but LotD didn't count as moving for the purposes of all weapons, so they could always fire at full effectiveness.
It's not a major gripe since it only means I'll have to switch up the way I use my Damned Legionnaires, but given they're by far my favourite "faction" it's sad to see them cut down to something less effective.

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>>53603396
A clasic

>>53603396
BIG
MEATY
CLAWS

>>53603380
the problem isn't that the relic is gone. It's is that Fury of Baal no longer exists and Librarians in termi armour cant take plasma pistols. So i would have to lob his hand off to give him what would be the proper model. makes me sad really.

>>53603396
>horus: oh so this is the thanks i get for working over time
>E: OVERTIME?!?

>>53603419
You think they'll do it before or after fixing the Wu Tang Clan problem?

>>53603390

There might be a couple of contributing factors to that. First of which is that her squad isn't necessarily unique as she has two Gemini Seraphim at her side. If Celestine was a unique model, we'd have shitfests saying her Gemini can't be taken as they're unique as well.

>>53603368
I'd just call it a combi-plasma in the meantime.

Is that shit about the emperor stealing from the chaos gods with other perpetuals canon?

>>53603444
So you're saying that 5 Celestines is legal not just by RAW but by RAI as well?

>>53603429
I'm saying count it as the plasma half of a combi-plasma. No converting necessary.

Combi-weapons are back to being unlimited use.

>>53602945

t bh theres probably going to be a whole East/West rift in the Imperium along the lines of how the Roman Empire collapsed.


That would make everything doubly grimdark and still advance the setting onwards.

>>53603396
>now we must acquire a taste for "free form jazz"
>*sonic screeching"
and thus, the noise marines were born

>>53603346
I'm most of the way through, it mentioned a new organ the brain and strange whorls on the hands of the Primaris, but nothing concrete.

>>53603434

At the same time?

>>53603461

No

The fortunate thing about the super early lead up + early leak is you faggots have made such a row about this shit that GW will have had plenty of time to get a day 1 FAQ ready to deal with it all.

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>>53603396
IG/AM

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>>53603396
>Squidward no! You can't eat that many Krabby Patties at once at once!
>Why, am I gonna blow up?
>No, it'll go right to your thighs!
>My thighs..?
>And THEN you'll blow up!

Are Wyches good now?

>>53603434

It'd make more sense if it was called the Spartacus conundrum, as everyone who says they are Spartacus is Spartacus and thus is treated as Spartacus on the field by models who would effect Spartacus.

>>53603461

Where are you getting that? That's not what was implied at all.

>>53603396
>magnus
>i dont need it
>i dont need it
>i definitely dont need it
>...
>I NEED IT

>>53603462
I'll probably do that if i take him at all.

>>53603482
Yes, as long as you buy them a raider.

>>53603434
There is no Wu Tang Clan problem, that's just faggots being faggots.

>>53603466
What you're describing sounds more like the Great Schism than the division of the Roman Empire.

>>53603482

They're a very solid screening unit for a low cost. They deal with their equal point value in Ork Boyz quite well.

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>>53603490
>MAGNUS WAIT!
>PINKIE!

>>53603434
or the flamer automatically hits flyers problem
>>53603473
>new organ the brain
I see after 10000 years of marines not knowing how to read (Leandros) they finally fixed the problem

>>53603495
>>53603500
So run em' in a raider, jump out and rush? Should you always give them the +1 Strength combat drug?

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>>53602067
>tfw gluing down your loadout

>>53603396
>oh puh-lease, i have no soul
lorgar joins chaos

>>53603530
>gluing models at all and not just magnetizing ever bit for easy transportation.

>>53603516

I actually run mine in a 20 man blob with +1 toughness. 100% all they're there for is to screen my shooters.

>>53603516
Well you have to mix ups the drugs. Also dont forget to charge with the Raider first. Its pretty good in melee and can soak the overwatch for the wyches.

>>53603498

whatever. they will draw heavily from history and classic mythology since smurfs are romans in spAAACE. I guess the blood angels can be the byzantines.

that and of course the orthodoxy / catholic split will be a meme in there too.

unless they go full skub/fanfic mode and just have the ultrasmurfs running around being age of sigmar in space and nothing ever bad really happens and the good guys always win but at some terrible cost but it doesnt matter so blah blah blah yadda yadda sell more shit to 12 year olds

>>53602109

>when the body motion and gun is pointed in one direction but you put the head in the other direction


reeeeeee

>>53603396
>FORT ROGAL IS ALL BUT IMPENETRABLE
rogal dorn upon creating the imperial palace

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>>53603396

Am I doing it right?

One of my friends is about to start playing. All he has is the Necron Start Collecting set. Any advice I should give him?

>>53603562
He's looking for assurance from Aniki before he shoots the target.

>>53603457
If you believe the HH shit tier books which literally have the Emperor being a dick for no reason and getting his asked kicked by Daemons and shit? Sure. The same book which literally says Chaos won before the HH even ended? Go for it.

>>53602024
You can't just put 16 hormagaunts in a group and pay less. Even if you're missing models you have to pay for the full amount. So they come in multiples of 10 so if you have 16 you have to pay for 20. It's dumb, I know.

>>53603588
Warrior Ark Phalanx is a good choice.

>>53603588
Play a better game.

I can't wait to paint up my Primaris as Ultramarines, this edition is going to be awesome.

>>53601763
are you able to choose to have all to have all the marines have a helmet, cuz like one of the sergents seem to have their helmet at their hip and a lieutenant has his helmet at his hip

>>53603609

That's wrong though. You can buy them in singles after you meet the minimum requirement - this isn't AoS.

>>53603232
I did miss most of the characters on account of being fucking tired. Fixing that now.

thanks for the catch on the eviscerator.

fun fact, IG now have more unit entries than marines do, because of the commanders and shit being broken out.

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if the emperor were to somehow be revived, back to the way he was before the horus heresy, what would happen?

>>53603619
Is that just a bunch of Warrior squads with Arks for dedicated transport?

If you were using a squad of chadmarines with a plasma blaster inserted as counts-as space marines how would you denote a combi-plas? Just use it anyway and make it look short or use the one-handed one from the commander sprue?

>>53603649

It would be extremely painful.

>>53603396
>Imperial Fist: Lord Dorn! Don't attack the traitors stronghold, it could be a trap! Are you sure of this?
>Dorn: Does this look unsure to you?
>Imperial Fist: .... No?
>Dorn: GOOD!

>>53603609
That's only true for power levels and frankly it's sad that you need to be told this.

>>53603609
Thats only if you're playing with power points or have fewer than the minimum number of models. hgaunts ar 10-30.

>>53603646
Stern guard are missing the ability to take multiple combis and heavy flamers

Happy to help my salamanders out

>>53603650
It's a Warrior plus Ghost Ark box with a discount.

>>53603396
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p6tvs-qjpA
admech

>>53601763
His other hand isn't attached to the grip of the bolter right? I think rotating the wrist and elbow so he's holding the bolter upward while his other arm points forward with a different hand would be a cool conversion.

>>53603660

I second this.

>>53603673
No. The last line of war gear options lets any sternguard buy a combi.

>>53603677
Oh, they have one of those at the LGS. I'll let him know it's a good idea.

>>53603655
ww

>>53603609
>>53603636
Under strength squads can be used and you reduce the costs per model as appropriate BUT you have to fill out each squad you can so you can have 20, 20, 16 but not 19, 19, 18

>>53603649
He will be. The Emperor is getting rules and a model for 30k, they ain't gonna waste the shekels of him coming back. He'll just be some psyker powerhouse hovering like a C'tan.

Read "The Carrion Throne"

The Ad Mech brought Dark Eldar technology specialists and tried to sneak them into the Golden Throne Room to fix the machine, but the story goes around how the DE escaped and made Grotesques out of hive scum. DE later admits there were 2 others, which could mean 2 other Eldar's, two other Inquisitors tasked with sneaking them in or 2 other xenos being brought here

>>53602102
Why? IG look super weak.

>>53603655
For the emperor!

>>53603649
He'd pretend to be dead so Guilliman will keep fixing shit for him.

>>53602402
why is that stormcast eternal so small

>>53603649
*inquisitorial screeching*

>>53603694
You want to point out where that rules is?

>>53603690
I'm talking Bout his BattleScribe database

So sucks that they cut the the special bolter ND combi it up

>>53601722
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/31/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-necrons/
This thing real?

>>53603660
Me personally or you as in the player?

I just read it in passing so I assumed it was like AoS.

>>53603694
16 hormagaunts isn't understrength, they have a minimum of 10 not 20.

>>53602998
It's not our fault you have shit taste.

>>53603714
Yeah and I'm excited. If you doubt it just go onto the main community page and click it instead.

>>53603705
jesus your depth of vision must be bad

>>53603694

No it doesn't fucking work that way in Matched Play you retard. Read the rules.

The language and I quote is:

>Sometimes you may find you do not have enough models to field a minimum sized unit, if this is the can still include one unit of that type in your army with as many models as you have available.


The minimum size for fucking hormaguants is 10 - not fucking 15 or 10. They give individual points for a reason you cromagnon fuck.

>>53603694
Literally only if the size is under the MINIMUM. Minimum for hormaguants is 10.

>>53603694

Why in the everloving fuck do you think they provide a per model cost in the book if you weren't allowed to take odd sized units?

Matched play uses individual points cost, no power points you idiot.

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Joining the theorycrafting for my Boyz. What's the best direction to go with an Ork army under the new rules? Is this the age of Green Tide, or would a more mechanized army be a better use of the rule changes?

Me and my friends are gonna try 8th with a low point game, Space Wolves vs DAngels.
Any suggestion on a Dark Angels 800pts build?

>>53603725
They've made it such a ballache to use points it might as well be.

Pretty sure they are discouraging using points so they can phase them out later and stealthily avoid the outrage that they fucking deserve.

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>>53603690
He's correct, it's a problem because of where I put the constraint, already fixed for next release.

Currently most squads use a logic where it fills in mimum standard wargear for minimum size, there is a logic method that allows scaling minimums but it's quite complicated, so I'm using manual methods for the 'rough draft' version of these.

pic related is selection logic for the curious

>>53603770
More infantry, less vehicles, but don't take NO vehicles.

>>53603694

The minimum unit size for a hormagaunt unit is 10 - you must take 10, you can take 11,14,17, etc. You are not required to buy them in blocks of 5, it isn't AoS.

Do monstrous creatures need to be fully in cover and be 50% obscured to get the ruins bonus or just 50% obscured?

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So what do these do in this edition? I have a need to fill my deployment zone with terrain that says "fuck you I decide the firing lanes here"

>>53603770

Seems like with the rule for objective distance, it essentially forces everyone into melee to hold the point. Which mean it's time for your boyz to shine.

>>53603649
id imagine he'd leave the imperium fixing shit to gulliman and go off on a crusade trying to find his trator sons so he can kill them, and while on-board the ship he'd act all depressed like a mixture of squidward and aku

>>53603776
No you fucking retard, just because they actually used the granularity of points instead of having them inflated by 5 for no reason doesn't mean they're phasing them out. They put them separate from the datasheets so they can be updated and changed as needed more easily because they're continuing to balance and playtest the game.

>>53603776

No they've done it so it is easier to make points adjustments. FLG talked about it today in their twitch livecast.

>>53603699
Cheapest chaff in the game with access to great orders and heavy weapons platforms

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CHAOS WAS RIGHT
GAS THE EMPEROR
RHANA DANDRA NOW

>>53603795
Not much welcome to the edition of the gunblob.

>>53603795
I dont think they have special rules currently.

>>53603795
sweet fuck all. they're just nice looking terrain.

desu I think it's good GW realized that fortification overload was becoming a problem, you could make a Siegfried line using half your points in fortifications and just say "come at me bro" in most eternal war missions.

>>53603779
Addition to this reply, if anyone has battlescribe experience and feels like doing a xenos faction following the same logic/format as the marines, knock yourself out, I'll add it to the main release once I've looked it over.

>>53603792
If you're standing in terrain you get a cover save unless a special rule says otherwise.

>>53603834
All the fortifications still have rules. They're in Imperium 2.

>>53603839
Using advanced rules I mean

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Don't suppose someone could take a picture of the new Death Guard next to a normal marine and a nu-marine?

I want to see if they'll scale up okay with some MK3 marines.

>>53603849
Yes, you have to be in cover and obscured to get the bonus.

>>53603803
Sorry, I don't watch videos from GW apologists.

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>>53603834
Yeah, but nobody did, because fortifications were shit. They're even more shit this edition. I was hoping to get my Bunker+Defense Line+Bastion going and go full Imperial Fists this edition, but nope, they've managed to make them even worse.

I've been happier, won't lie.

>>53603699

To who?

>>53603824

>After 10,000 years trapped in a living hell the Emperor is abrasive and cold
>During the massive war where he was conquering the galaxy, the immortal superhuman master of mankind was kind of distant
>OMG DADDY DOESN'T LOVE ME HE NEVER DID IT WAS ALL A LIE I HATE YOU DAD NEVER TALK TO ME AGAIN I WISH I LIVED WITH HORUS

>>53603848
The standard ones are there, the munitorum boxes aren't.

>>53603695
wouldnt that be game ruining for at least one or two factions though?
like the tau, if the big E were to lead another crusade, theyre so small theyd be crushed
nids too, mabey

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>>53603856
Not my pic, it's been floating around.

>>53603824
PUSH ME TO THE EDGE, ALL MY FRIENDS ARE DEAD

>>53603863

Doesn't matter to me - they helped play test the rules and orchestrate the largest 40k event in the world as well as the largest group of organized events. They're relevant to me.

>>53603863
>apologists
I'm not sure what people have to apologize for with the new edition being the best thing they've done in fucking ages

>>53603893
>tau and nid fags not being a thing
one can dream anon, one can dream

>>53603353
Yeah, and for most improved, Wyches/Hekatrix possibly? Your raiders can charge into combat and eat overwatch now which is pretty huge since overwatch was the main reason wyches sucked; also you can pick your combat drugs now (no duplicates though).

>>53603695
The Emperor can't come back. It would require an AoS-tier rewrite of the entire setting.

>>53603904

Wait I missed something

Why are there 2 Parimaris Marines that are different sizes? Also why is the Captain about the size of a Primach?

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OKC anon here
My local store was packed today and apparently these two models were painted by St. Duncan himself!

>>53603893
Probably have some fluff wank about why he can't? Perhaps he needs to be constantly powered up with pyskers so he has to have black ships follow him with pyskers ot feed him or some shit?

>>53603824
Why have they gone so grimderp? It was nice having the Emperor think of his sons as actual sons. Now they're essentially retconning the entire fucking fight on the Vengeful Spirit, it's now "This hammer is attacking me, if I break it, it'll stop, but then I won't have a hammer any more. It's my favourite hammer...."?

WHY ARE THEY LETTING THEM GET AWAY WITH THIS?

>>53603933

The 3rd marine in the line is a regular marine. Also that captain is nowhere near the sizeof Bobby G.

>>53603933
The Captain is in a bigger suit of armour.

>>53603824

Why is that any surprise?

Also, if they were all a means to an end, why is it said that the Emperor was deeply wounded by Horus's betrayal and the act of destroying his once favored son?

>>53603932
boy do i have some bad news for you

>>53603933
Thats a MkIV marine.

>>53603909
That's your opinion. You're wrong but your welcome to have it.

>>53603932
If they actually released a huge chunk of writing, it'd be fine. People hated AoS because you went from a setting with 35 years of fluff to a setting that needed 35 years of fluff, but couldn't bring that much in one go.

>>53603959
>Also, if they were all a means to an end, why is it said that the Emperor was deeply wounded by Horus's betrayal and the act of destroying his once favored son?
because laurie goulding and ADB haven't gotten to that part yet

>>53603959
Because they haven't retconned that part yet.

>>53603971

So you think AoS and 7th were better managed releases and better products than 8th?

>>53603482
They've been phenomenal for me so far. 10 in a raider, 3 hydra gauntlets, and the leader with an Agoniser will easily make it into combat and deal some damage.

>>53603904

Thanks that's exactly what I was looking for.

They seem a bit taller but the MK4 still had that kind of squat stance that they completely got rid of in the MK3 so I'm hopeful they will have a place as veterans or as squad leaders for my Death Guard.

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>>53603396
>Why, that's the most diabolical Krabby Patty ever spawned!
>I call it the Nasty Patty.

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>>53603824
>shocked how his "father" really sees him - not as a son, but a tool.

You'd fucking think after 10,000 years to mull over how badly you fucked up, you'd maybe learn something and realize that you fucked up by having this kind of view to begin with, but I guess the Emperor is just that kind of retarded.

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>>53603942
Looks much nicer than anything I'll ever paint. I wish I could be even lightly close to his level

>>53603949
im gonna go with the emperor is too busy trying to kill his traitor sons to be bothered with the minuscule tau. however, some emperor-nid hive-mind shenanigans might be funny to watch

>>53603971
Taufag pls

Literally everyone who has played the new rules has said they're so much fucking better than the steaming shitpile that was 7th edition

>>53603974
I think people would still be pissed to have an existing, 30+-year-old setting erased and entirely replaced with a new one.

Which is what would have to happen if the Emperor came back, because every little bit of Imperial fluff would have to be rewritten, the Tau would definitely cease to exist, and things would suddenly be a lot more nobledark.

>>53603824
Did ADB write this? I thought Guy Haley did. Why is GW doing this? WHY ARE GW LETTING BL DO THIS? WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THE FUCKING EMPEROR vs HORUS FIGHT THEN? FUCKING GW REEEE!

Emps created the imperium as a ponzi scheme to become a god and replace the great four

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>>53603770
Is it possible to make a Speed Freaks army in 8th edition?

>>53604008
i thought the consensus was that 8th ed was an equal shitpile to 7th ed, just different

>>53603824
>people like ADB still trying to ruin the emperor

>>53603993
What the fuck are you even saying? That if the Emperor was smarter he would... do what? Spontaneously develop fatherly feefees despite being a creature of pure cold logic?

Thank god you noblebright faggots don't write the setting. As bad as GWs fucked it up, the only parts you guys want to "fix" the are few decent ones.

>>53603942

lel theyre mediocre at best

oh wow ya washed them with liquid skill and then did some edge highlighting while failing to bring any actual depth to the model.

GOOD JOB SAINT DUNCAN

>>53603827
>>53603833
What a crock of shit.

>>53602813
Bikes are fast attack now

>>53604016
AoS didn't erase WHFB though. It just progressed the story. Nothing more, nothing less. This was a legal decision, sadly. But that's irrelevant to the point.

The Emperor returning could simply be him returning as something like the Slann. Insanely powerful but rarely able to do anything as he's meditating fighting Chaos. On the tabletop, have him incredibly expensive.

Are marker drones ever worth taking en-masse?

Can someone give me a quick rundown on rhinos vs drop pods? I'm not really sure what I should be taking to transport my tactical squads.

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>>53604047
Well he painted and sent models to every store, so naturally they aren't gonna be 'eavy metal tier anon.

>>53603824
>Bro-booty realises he was never loved
>Still gives his all, not for the Emperor but for mankind

Why is he so best Primarch?

>>53604060

I would use rhinos since they'll be taking objectives.

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>>53603709

>>53604030
Yes

>>53604032
Literally the only people saying this are asspained WAACfags who were playing the top meta armies and got righteously beaten with a nerf stick.

8th plays faster, smoother, feels better even when you lose, it's the best the game's been in ages.

>>53604073
Who's worshipped literally the most (outside of the Emperor)? Who literally has Space Christmas named after him? That's right, bitch!

>>53604063

sounds like a made up story that the local redshirt sold you to make himself feel better about his rushed paintjob.

>>53603993
He realised such things were important, which is why he faked them.
But he can't anymore because he has turned into a super autist.

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>>53603824
wtf i love the emperor now

>>53604054
>AoS didn't erase WHFB though. It just progressed the story. Nothing more, nothing less.
I mean, technically. But it's essentially a new setting entirely, isn't it?

>Insanely powerful but rarely able to do anything as he's meditating fighting Chaos.
So he just allows the Imperium to continue being a backwards, inefficient, tyrannical, Kafkaesque theocracy?

>>53604073
Because he had his own space empire before ever knowing emps because he knew how to actually fucking talk to people and run government. Emps was a faggot of My way or the highway bullshit and it bit him in the ass, and after 10,000 years of constant pain and anguish, deteriorating on a golden seat, he STILL hasn't learned his lesson.

>>53604075
Doesn't actually say you have to fill out squads to max first.

>>53604052

So just take the FA organization chart?

>>53604073
Because he's a genuinely good person who understands that sometimes you gotta sacrifice for the good of the species, unlike the traitor autists who in the end could only think of themselves.

>>53604005
>emperor: greetings starving hivemind beasts, i am communicating with you through psychic abilities, if you ally with my imperium, together we will conquer this galaxy and the next and live in paradise!
>nids: REEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING NORMAL FAGS GET THE FUCK OFF MY HIVEMIND REEEEEEEE

>>53603750
>>53603764
>>53603769
I know nothing about nids I was just responding about under minimum size units. Goddamn.

Not gonna lie, I would totally suck Mortarion's pre-heresy dick. Post-heresy it's probably filled with AIDS, but pre-heresy, hell yeah.

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

>>53604099

a diet of screaming psyker souls for 10,000 years will do that to anyone, god-being or otherwise.


it probably hits too hard to home for some people here that daddy didnt love him enough.

>>53604075
"Understrength" means "below minimum size."
If the minimum is 10 and you want to run 17, you don't have to pay for 20.

>>53604104
Essentially, I guess. More like a soft-reboot. The old famous faces are there, previous events are still referred too. As for the Emperor? I guess he wouldn't have a choice. He'd telepathically go "Take me to this part of the galaxy" and he'll meditate the entire way. Then when he gets there, he'll beat whatever needs to be beat, then go back to meditating. So he can't fix the Imperium. But defeating the shit on X planet would hurt the Chaos Gods more than him sitting in his room meditating.

Or some shit I dunno anon.

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>>53604125

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Do I need more plasma?

>>53604075

Understrength means under minimum you dumb ass.