Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>53595774
>melee race
>M5

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Second for I actually really like all the Primaris stuff.

Guess who bought herself the Limited Editon?

(Hint: it's me. I bought myself the limited edition)

Still need help because I'm a fag

>>53595697

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>complains about prices
>buys it anyway

>>53595808
reroll charges.

Reminder that Scions and Ratlings are two new best units for IG.

>>53595774
Was talking to an Airforce guy the other day. He said he never had to go through knife training.

It hurts me physically that I know the limited edition will sell, all 2k units.

>>53595830
upgrading champions is not a cost. Forget where it is, but there is a rule about unit champions that states they don't cost more.

We got scans of new edition books yet?

>>53595830

No your Boss Nob is free of charge.

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>>53595833

>>53595833
>doesn't buy it in muslim bucks

>daemon princes can take warp bolters
Is... there even a model that looks like a giant monster with a bolter?

>>53595862

Yes - everywhere. Find 3++ is the new black, everything is there.

I don't begrudge GW their ability to shut down mega. I don't feel entitled to pdfs. But if they're there, I will probably download them to save some money.

>>53595879
Daemon princes have barrels grafted in hands.

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Any news on how emperors children will be in 8th? I want to pick up 40k with Slaanesh, and a pure slaaneshi daemons force doesn't seem viable (even though FW KoS is awesome)

>>53595861
>>53595869

That's neat. Thank you.

Hey guys, brand new to 40k. I'm gonna end up with the Deathguard from the starter box x2

Which should I buy to supplement them? I'm not really sure where to start.

>>53595877
You can't choose which currency you use can you? I thought it was region locked.

>>53595852
That's because they can't reach the shelf where the knives are stored.

>>53595902
Books are in the OP.

>>53595888
>yfw they start pushing out weapon that ignore invulns
>graded by what invulns they can ignore
>Invulnerable Penetration 4 Ignores Invulnerable saves of 4 and above
>Invulnerable Penetration 3 Ignores Invulnerable saves of 3 and above
>Invulnerable Penetration 2 Ignores Invulnerable saves of 2 and above
>etc

>>53595960
I hope and expect they'll just keep it to mortal wounds.

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Did GW finally fix Mutilators?

>>53595988
>RNGshit

no

>This model may replace its kustom shoota with one item from the Shooty Weapons or Choppy Weapons lists

So my Warboss can dual wield Power Klaws? Is there any advantage to that?

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>>53595960

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Deep strike Tempestus now with more Command Rods. Taurox, Heavy Weapon Squads, and Sentinels deploy while a shit load of Tempestus deep strike. Spare points can be used to upgrade things like plasma Pistols or Sentinel weaponry.

2000pt Brigade
Tempestor Prime (Command Rod)[40] 120
Tempestor Prime (Command Rod)[40]
Tempestor Prime (Command Rod)[40]

Tempestus (4xVolley Gun, 5xHot-shot Lasgun, Bolt pistol)[132] 792
Tempestus (4xVolley Gun, 5xHot-shot Lasgun, Bolt pistol)[132]
Tempestus (4xVolley Gun, 5xHot-shot Lasgun, Bolt pistol)[132]
Tempestus (4xVolley Gun, 5xHot-shot Lasgun, Bolt pistol)[132]
Tempestus (4xVolley Gun, 5xHot-shot Lasgun, Bolt pistol)[132]
Tempestus (4xVolley Gun, 5xHot-shot Lasgun, Bolt pistol)[132]

Tempestus Command squad (4xPlasma)[64] 192
Tempestus Command squad (4xPlasma)[64]
Tempestus Command squad (4xPlasma)[64]

Tempestus Command squad (4xMelta)[84] 540
Tempestus Command squad (4xMelta)[84]
Tempestus Command squad (4xMelta)[84]
Taurox Prime (Gatling Cannon, 2xVolley Gun)[96]
Taurox Prime (Gatling Cannon, 2xVolley Gun)[96]
Taurox Prime (Gatling Cannon, 2xVolley Gun)[96]

Heavy Weapon Squad (3xMortar)[27] 135
Heavy Weapon Squad (3xMortar)[27]
Heavy Weapon Squad (3xMortar)[27]
Heavy Weapon Squad (3xMortar)[27]
Heavy Weapon Squad (3xMortar)[27]

Scout Sentinel (Auto Cannon)[50] 150
Scout Sentinel (Auto Cannon)[50]
Scout Sentinel (Auto Cannon)[50]


Total 1929

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>Champion can replace his bolt gun and pistol for...
>one of the following
So wait, if I give my champion a combi-weapon he no longer has a bolt pistol?

>>53595988

>M4"

No - and I defend the Possessed and Obliterators.

>>53595960

Mortal Wounds do that fine already.

>>53595988
>Fix
They way you fix a dog maybe.

>>53596007
None

>>53596017
Yes

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There any good guides out there for converting the various aspect warriors from plastic kits?
Also is it safe for footdar to come out to play?

>>53596021
They deep strike, so that's fine. Just drop 'em in, use command re-roll to secure a charge, and they're in.

>>53596021
>2+ save
>deep strike

>>53596007

Not at all.

>>53596021
How are Possessed any better faggot. They were nerfed in almost every way.

>>53595663
>Obliterators
>functional
>don't know what the gun will be good at hurting until you decide your target
>Spend all game plinking at a land raider with s7 ap -1 d1 guns
>ever getting in range for more than a turn or two anyways

>possessed
>more expensive than berserkers
>worse than berserkers
>barely cheaper than warp talons
>worse in every way than warp talons
>their speed mattering in the age of rhino rush
>having the same number of attacks as basic CSM with chainswords
>damage 2 mattering when they'll struggle to hurt 2W models (Terminators, Vehicles, etc) with their garbage AP.

>>53595988
>rhinos can self-repair
>onagers can't anymore
explain this

Also: the text seems to imply that Skitarii Alphas can take a melee weapon without trading out their galvanic rifles/radium carbines for a pistol; is this true/a good idea?

>>53596017
replace
rJˈpleJs/
verb
past tense: replaced; past participle: replaced
1.
take the place of.
"Ian's smile was replaced by a frown"

>>53596033
No
Better than before, and your your melee aspects can assault from serpents now.

>>53596068

You roll before you select your target you fucking idiot. So yes you will know what they're good at hunting before rolling. It isn't my fault you can't read.

Scions actually not op. They don't have regiment keyword. They wont get a bonus when codex comes out.

>>53595941
I'm just gonna go kill myself now

>>53596006
the RNG is pretty minor, and hardly unique, or even chaosy.
Can think of at least 4 guns of the top of my head that have hit and dmg rng.
And given how how all those work now, it's not going to change from "is this effect, or not" but just "how effective is it".

>>53596112
Try not to make a mess.

>>53595862
LITERALLY in the OP

>>53595888
>Saying go to any clickbait sites

>>53595910
I would recommend getting those cheap 7th ed starter set hellbrutes. Or really anything that can kill stuff with high toughness/saves. This is the weakness of your listed composition. You'll be able to mop the floor when it comes to fighting basic infantry and nothing too elite.

How come we don't have any "Lawful Evil"-type factions? Doesn't anyone else get tired of everything being chaotic (incompetent) and the only semblance of order being the domain of the "good" factions like Imperium, Eldar or Tau, or neutral like the necrons

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>>53596068

>don't know what the gun will be good at hurting until you decide your target

Are you illiterate?

>ever getting in range for more than a turn or two anyways

Again - illiterate? You have deepstrike as well as an assault (so advance and shoot) gun.

So what weapon do you think is best on a hellbrute now?

I always liked the look of the thunder hammer but with the changes to it you get -1 to their save over the fist (which was already -3) in exchange for -1 to hit and it doing less damage than the fist 1/3s of the time.

If most vehicles are like the hellbrute IE T7 or below then the scourge looks best. It has a shit ton of attacks to mash infantry, two damage to instant kill terminators, primaris and the like but "only" -2 ap.

>>53596074
rhinos are basically just boxes for moving troops up the field. They're hard to pry open, but once they get up their you don't care.
Onager are also much tougher than they were under the previous edition, and without crew shaken/stunned they'll be firing at full value unless you strip their wounds down. Getting them wounds back would be a much bigger deal.
it costs points for the melee weapon, do you want to spend those?

>>53596068

I'll admit that possessed aren't great, but there's one easy fix for them: just give them 3 attacks all the time. They then become a fast-ish glass hammer assault unit which can punch above its weight. That said, still better than last edition.

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>>53595988
No. With their currant rules it is impossible to know where you will want them so the only viable place to put them is in the middle of the battle field with at least one multi wound target and one single wound target. Their only viable role is as a distraction.

>>53596042
>>53596046
>Deep strike
If you rolled to see what their gun would be in the movement phase this would be great. As it is you drop them down next to the tank you need to kill/wound and then they roll a 1 for damage across the whole squad and you can only tickle it.

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>>53595988
I think so, enough that Im currently greenstuffing two termicide squads into them.
Primarily they seen like a sturdy Lord delivery system, use the Lords extra movement to be the primary charger, after a teleport youre looking at 9". If they back away from the blender then thats more table advantage.

I'm torn on whether theyre better than other loyalist dedicated terminator squads, on the charge with average rolls they're reducing a 2+ to a 4+ and dealing 2dmg per hit. The s7 really doesnt matter unless theyre flippin over tanks.

I like them, but youre sacrificing the relative safety of our 2+/5+ terminators toolkit for a lower cost, an extra wound, and a way better melee pay off.

>>53596057
Faster (7"), still S5, cheaper than before (22 each), get ap-2 (equivalent to ap3) automatically, death to the false emperor, can charge out of rhinos. How are they not better?

>>53596068
We've been completely stripped of our elite melee options. Berzerkers are good, but they have nowhere near the durability, mobility or attacks to compete with imperial counterparts. Possessed fulfill exactly the same role as Berzerkers while also being more expensive. Warp Talons are getting there, but 2A is not enough.

Mutilators are just a joke and probably even worse than Possessed.

>>53596183
also
>heavy 2 lascannon
>heavy 6 heavy bolter
>heavy d3 plasma cannon
What's even the point of the autocannon or multi-melta anymore?

>>53596135
Because lawful evil is a shit alignment

>>53596135
The entire Destroyers subfaction of Necrons is "Organics are messy, clean the universe"

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>>53595808
>melee race
>most points efficient melee infantry in the game

>>53596135
The Imperium is Lawful Evil. The very existence of it was a result of things going horribly wrong, and,it's rightfully called the most brutal regime ever

>>53596135

>Lawful anything

Kys pls

>>53596211
rhinos can now be assaulted out of. and are crazy durable.

>>53596074
>explain this
Can't explain that other than to say that GW placed a sweeping nerf over all of AdMech as a 'cost' to be applied to combining them into a single list. They're still decent, even with that.

>is this true/a good idea?
Yeah, it's true. You could take a melee weapon without getting rid of your Galvanic Rifle in 7th edition too. If you're playing with Power, or you have points to spare, you may as well get yourself a Power Sword or Arc Maul or something, but if you care about points, it's probably not the best idea.

is anyone else pissed they fucked with minimum unit sizes? i got multiple units now that are either too large or too small.

also fuck you GW for making zoanthropes suck if you field less than 4 and sell then in boxes of 3

>>53596211
Warp Talons have three attacks each. EACH of their lightning claw lets you make an extra attack, and they have two.

>all these people talking about what arm to put on their mini

Who is actual autistic enough to care about wysiwyg? Just put whatever is coolest or fits the theme you're going for with the model

>>53595897
>not having all the indexes and rules already saved

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>People really think 'deep strike' is enough to save a shitty unit be it Possessed, Oblits, Warp talons, etc
>b-but you c-can just drop them in uhh..w-waste a command point on a huge risky charge o-okay??

>>53596104
Isn't Mech the opposite of footdar?

Also I'd think you're probably worse off than before given that all your units cost substantially more (ie DA cost 4ppm more than last bringing them to 17ppm), your spells are incredibly unreliable at 7+, many other armies got huge buffs, fleet is gone, and battle focus doesn't let you move after shooting anymore.

>>53596202
They'd still be worse in melee than Berserkers.
>>53596150
Advancing makes them BS4 - Good job dropping from four to three hits on your guns 200 point shooting unit.

Are Necrons the new WAACfag toys?

>>53596275
>too large.
You can add individual models in the point system.
Also min unit sizes were a thing before.

I'm kinda thinking of grabbing some Volkite weapons to counts-as Sonic Blasters - anyone played around with these? Trying to figure out if Calivers or Chargers are better

>>53596287
Obliterators are dead to me
At first I thought Tyhpus would be as well but he actually is saved by that deep strike charge

>>53595869
Soo i can take warbikers msu and have a free nobz, not bad. Beeing only 3 and orks they don't suffer that much from battleshock and i can offset by a littlebit the higher cost than 7th warbikers

Does anyone have an epub of the the War of The Fang anthology? I can't find it in the pastebin.

>>53595833
>bought it anyway
I love it when people answer themselves without realizing it.

>>53596132
Ok thanks. Are transports as important now as I've been told they where?

>>53596208
>faster by one inch
Oh wow, literally sanic speed. It's not worth losing fleet faggot.

>still S5
Not a buff.

>cheaper than before
And also worse

>get ap-2 (equivalent to ap3) automatically, death to the false emperor, can charge out of rhinos. How are they not better?
Not worth their cost. For one less AP and inch of movement, Berzerkers do all of that while costing only 17ppm (i'm including the chainaxe cost) and being S6, guaranteed 3A if you keep the chainsword, and are able to fight twice in the fight phase.

They not only have a higher threat range, but are much cheaper.

>>53596315
Deceiver looks pretty good, D3 units redeployed anywhere on the board 12" from enemy units

>>53595825
Shut up tranny.

>>53596318
Min unit sizes have gone up for a lot of units though. Chaos terminators, Zoanthropes, and Crisis suita are ones that really spring to mind, and for the latter two running a single model unit was rather fluffy.

>>53596135
Necrons are the closest you'll get. They hate the warp and chaos but winning isn't gonna be fun for anyone either.

Also"evil" isn't a real thing. Especially in 40k. Even the good guys have no qualms about annihilating whole or turning helpless beggars into servators.

>>53596315
>New

This has probably been asked a billion times now
But could you list me the most to least meta armies from top to bottom

>>53596208
7'' move is irrelevant when rhino rush charging exists and warp talons exist. 4 points cheaper is literally nothing. Death to the False Emperor matters against one faction and even then never if you're unlucky. They also got ap3 automatically last edition if you took the DP+Possessed formation.

But in return they lost fleet and got a random number of attacks.

They got nerfed, hard.

>>53596300

You can still DS them with their 24" gun anywhere on the table - if you can't figure out how to do that to get range on a decent selection of targets - well I'm hard pressed to believe you're even capable of playing the game.

>>53596297
>your spells are incredibly unreliable at 7+
warlock has 2 spells at 6+, and conceal can now work on all nearby units, not just guardians.
Enhance is 7+, but you can actually apply it to your melee units.
The farseer powers are 7+, but they can reroll one or both dice. So that's a lot more reliable than it was.
The battlefocus change isn't a huge problem for most units.
The only big nerfs were jetbikes, warpspiders, and wraithknights. IE things that needed it.

Also, Avatar of khaine and wraithlord are much better. No more instant death. S5 attacks not wounding on 2+. Move 7". Difficult terrain isn't a thing

Would people care if I used a suitably blinged up space marine hunter as a sisters' of battle exorcist?

>>53596219
Where on the doll did Asmodeus touch you?

>>53596231
Eh. It's something, I guess.

>>53596263
Debatable.

>>53596266
>Kys pls
no u

>>53596276
Interdesting, you're right. That would definetly make them better than Berzerkers.

Though they're still laughable compared to what Space Wolves and Blood Angels can get.

>>53596148
You need two Trygons. One to transport the 'stealers and one to transport the Broodlord. Characters are their own unit now, remember?

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>go out to GW to preorder 8e stuff
>the person behind me in line is a late 30s early 40s milf
>figure she's just standing in line for her kid or husband or something
>she picks up one of the store's 8e rulebooks and says to herself something to the effect of "shit, these new primaris marines are brutal, two mid range heavy bolters on each assault marine."
>start talking to her about the new 8e rules, apparently she's been playing for years, has like 3k points worth of sisters of battle
well that was a bizarre experience. i shoulda tried to get her number but her husband was with her chasing after the kids

>>53596345
more expensive, but much tougher.
Important is a different question.

>>53596394
Orks
Eldar
Deldar
Red marines
Tyrnaids
Blue marines
Grey marines
Chaos marines
Daemons
Admech
IG
Necrons
Tau
Green Marines
Purple marines
Silver marines
Gold Marines
Titans
Sisters

>>53596394

No one knows. Especially not on /tg/ - do yourself a favor and don't listen to /tg/ when it comes to any form of competitive play.

>>53596418
Trygon can only transport troops, so it can't move the broodlord.

>>53596349
Why do you bring up berzerkers suddenly? The argument was about if possessed are better than they were in 7th, and they certainly are and they most certainly weren't "nerfed in almost every way".

>>53596016
Have orders been changed?

>>53596396
>Deepstrike them
>All the enemy's fast stuff just moves away, laughing at your piddly six shots
>Your obliterators get to spend the rest of the game taking potshots at infantry and struggling to get back in range
>Could've just taken a tri-las predator instead for ten more points

>>53596443
You dont need to take Ld tests for them to work

>>53596287
What kind of table do you guys even play on? Nonscattering deep strike means you can drop into a building or something out of LOS, and then next turn charge them.

Sure they can run. but you should be able to bring enough deepstrikers to corner them

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>>53596419
>Alpha mom, plays SoB
You fucked up, should have at least tried to get her number or given her yours.

>>53596426

So much this. Even more so because few players have played many games of 8th. Most people are just theory crafting right now.

>>53596448

Are you too stupid to remember to shoot them on the turn they drop?

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When is Forge World releasing their new rules for 8ed?

I need to know if Ashmantle will still be worth getting.

>>53596281
it mattered more when damage came from a direct, now that you can pick and choose who dies then its a lot easier to not care about proxies. but it just looks cooler to have the right models anyways and its always annoying if the person your playing against can't keep all their proxies straight. And it makes it easier for your opponent to gauge your threats since they don't have to constantly ask you which plasma gun is actually a plasma gun and not a melta or whatever.

Can saves me modified into nothing? Like a 6+ save hit with -2 makes it no save of still just +6?

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>>53596470
i know imma cry

>>53596418
You're right, the Broodlord would have to show up turn 2 being the second unit to be missiled using Hive Commander.
>>53596431
Also correct

>>53596482

Its almost as if visiting the Forge World site would answer your question.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Warhammer-40-000?N=102643+3129408095&_requestid=1829778

>>53596135
>imperium
>necrons

>>53596497
That's what save modifiers do.

>>53596448
how is your table set up that this is a thing that is possible.
28" (you can move then shoot) lets you cover basically have the table if you are even close to the center.

>>53596478
>Laughing at your piddly six shots

i dunno dude are you too stupid to read where i said their offensive output is garbo enough to be ignorable

Lotta hoops to jump through when you could just take a tri-las predator and sit him in a corner.

>>53596499
he doesn't wear pants

I have a force org related question for the IG.

Is there a platoon option that I just can't find or does each Infantry Squad now eat up a Troops slot? And SWS (elites)/HWS (hs)?

I'm concerned I won't be able to field as many foot IG as I used to.

>>53596521
Pants mean underwear in the old country.

>>53596497

Yes - that is the point.

>>53596518

An Obliterator is a phantom drop during your deployment phase allowing you to drop without dropping and forcing your opponent to double deploy. A predator does not do that.

>>53596497
>>53596512
technically it because save on an 8+.
Which is normally impossible, but there are things that add to save rolls. It's why rather than sv-, you now see things with sv7+

>>53596416
I mean, Sanguinary Guard are good, but are expensive as hell.

Death Company is good, but only as a massive blob with multiple characters buffing them.

Berserkers freakin' fight twice.

>>53596512
So it's best to stay in cover for shooting or your units of cultists or boyz get no saves?

>>53596148
What are people using to list build?

>>53596517
The kinds of tables that encourage a lot of moving up towards the center rather than twiddling your knob about in your deployment zone.
>>53596543
Yeah, and the phantom drop only matters if your opponent has +/-1 unit compared to you.

>>53595774
have they said what the new standard game size will be instead of 1850pts?

2000pts like fantasy?

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to all you fags who kept answering random anons that we were getting squatted


>book also includes kits that have been of the store for ages but where still playable in 7th

>>53596276
How is it 3?

It says if they have 2 they can make an additional attack with them.

I'm not reading that as they can make an additional attack with each

>>53596536
nope they are gone
on the bright side conscripts by themselves are a troop choice now

>>53596568

How does it only matter if your opponent has +1/-1 drop compared to you? Or are you so retarded you don't understand the value of getting to see two of your opponent's deployments before deploying your own unit?

>>53596439
Because they packed more of a punch than Berzerkers last edition, because their purpose was beating elite non-terminator units into submission which was something Berzerkers couldn't. Vessels of Chaos and Fleet were the reason, but now both are gone, and on top of that they have random attacks.

So they can't reroll to wound, can't move as fast as they could, lost the potential +1 attack and were not compensated for the potential +1 initiative. They were left just with their S5 Ap3, while Berzerkers were bumped to S5, fight twice, attack twice, and can reroll charges with icon and be S6 ap4 all while staying cheaper than Possessed.

They were nerfed in literally every way, stop defending this shit design choice. As a result of this we can't compete with elite melee units from other armies anymore.

>>53596558
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=40k+list+builder

>>53595774
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pngVJKKMKHM
Is this man on cocaine? Look at his right arm

>>53596536
Just use a battalion detachment

So I was doing the math on Crushing Claws vs double scything talons for Carnifexes, and it seems vs almost every toughness (T6 was the only time it was better iirc), having two scything talons is just better. Having a -1 to hit, no reroll of 1, and not getting an extra attack (2 if >>53596276 is right).

Am I missing something? The only time crushing claws seem worth it is on Old One Eye cause he has a better to hit and stacks attacks.

Also from the one game I've played my Carnifex got stuck in combat with a rhino, was a weird feeling.

>>53596606
so if I were to field what used to be two platoons of one command squad and two squads each (2x troops) before, it would now be:

platoon commander (elites 1)
command squad (elites 2)
platoon commander (elites 3)
command squad (elites 4)
infantry squad (troops 1)
infantry squad (troops 2)
infantry squad (troops 3)
infantry squad (troops 4)

?

this feel limiting if I want to field a lot of heavy weapon squads. Especially considering each individual squad wouldn't even reach 100 points now.

>>53595718

some tanks

maybe rhinos for the plague marines and a landraider because landraiders are cool as fuck

get some nurgle daemons too to help offset how expensive plague marines are pointswise.

>>53596590
It says that if they have a lightning claw, they make an additional attack. The profile on their datasheet's for a single claw, but they have to buy them in pairs.
>>53596615
You can take one of any number of deep strike-capable units and get the same effect, while also not having to jump through hoops to make those units effective like you do with obliterators.

>>53596568
>The kinds of tables that encourage a lot of moving up towards the center rather than twiddling your knob about in your deployment zone.
so how are they out of range of a 28" threat that's near the center of the table?
How are they moving out of that range?

also, while the predator has higher T than the oblits, it's save are worse. 3+ no invuln vs 2+ with invuln.
Predators can't be get on higher ground to see over los blocking, and if they have to move to get around los blocking shoot at -1, which the oblits do not.

So I've played 40k before years back, but never had an army of my own.

8e has me intrigued. I'm looking through the store now, and kiiiind of thinking of grabbing the Dark Imperium set. Worth it?

As for factions im thinking about going Primaris/SM if I do the boxed set. I like Death Guard from HH so I'd be down to have some Nurgle bros.

As for other factions: Skitarii/Ad Mech and IG all interest me. Is Skitarii/Ad Mech super cost prohibitive?

>>53596684
Yeah I looked at the profile after I posted

Warp Talons LC says an extra with this weapon (two weapons is 2 extra attacks for 3)

But the LC in the wargear list in the back says if they have 2 they can make 1 extra attack with them which would be 2 total

I'm going to use the one on their profile

>>53596684

Yeah but according to you there is no good unit in the Chaos book so you might as well take Obliterators. You've been in every general for like the past 4 days bitching and moaning about Possessed, Obliterators, and for awhile Kharn and Berzerkers.

How about this - I think you're wrong, we'll see in a few months if Obliterators are showing up in competitive play.

2 questions, is dig for this stuff but I'm at work.

Are any the sites that do the standard 20% off preordering Dark Imperium?

Are th models in it confirmed the usual snap fit together models from starter set? Any options to customize their load outs of the box?

>>53596702
the dark imperium set is absolutely worth it if you want any of the miniatures.

admech is fairly cheap if you spam the start collecting boxes.

>>53596642
Naw, he's riding the sepia snake, 50 ml of Devlan mud every day, all sourced from his secret stash.

>>53596722

FLGS is selling at 132 in their webcart.

>>53595774
Which leg is he stepping in with?

>>53595825
>her

>>53596722
That's 3 questions
Yes
Yes
No

>>53596551
>I mean, Sanguinary Guard are good, but are expensive as hell
Their price is justified by all the shit they can pull off though. Not as cost effective as Berzerkers though, I agree.

>Death Company is good, but only as a massive blob with multiple characters buffing them
They are literally better Berzerkers. 4 attacks on the charge, 6+ FnP and access to jump packs which means they can deepstrike and move 12". Load them with power axes and they will eat Berzerker hordes alive.

And don't even get me started with the bullshit the furfags are able to pull.

>>53596659
i'm sad it's gone to , i especially miss combined squads
what you can do to get extra slots is pick any of the pic related detachments
a company commader is only 30 points and can dish out orders to your hearth's content
also afaik guard vehicles are among the few that still get vehicle squads, with the added benefit that they get split up after deployment so you save some slots there

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>>53596767
forgot the pic >>53596659

>>53596715
>everyone who disagrees with me is the same boogeyman
Kill yourself. I'm the guy who was bitching about Kharn and Possessed, and I am every bit justified to given their massive nerfs.

>>53596767
Orks also get some splitable squadrons.

>>53596558
That one only has Nids. I've just been using Google Sheets.

>>53596808

Again - at this point I don't care. We'll see what competitive CSM looks like here in a few months and one of us will be right.

If its me I'll rub it in your face in about 15 generals just like I did with every asshole clown who swore Windriders were 41 points a model.

>>53596763
Wulfen are fucking hilarious though. Especially now that they hit first on a charge with thunder hammers.

So when are we getting Primaris Techmarines?

>>53596536
There is no option for platoon. Platoon commanders are elites, so are command squads and special weapon squads. Infantry and Conscripts are still troops and heavy weapon squads got turned into heavy supports.

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>It seems like Rowboote isn't really a fan of the Primaris Marines - he calls them even "Cawl's blasphemous hordes".

>>53596715
Bruh I haven't said shit about Kharn or Berserkers or posted in these threads before today, so fuck off. And the index has some pretty decent units - Chosen, Terminators, Cultists, etc. Just because you're a gibbering retard who can't refute what I'm saying doesn't make me the spirit of chaosbitching past.

>>53596686
Predator also has more wounds than the entire squad of oblits, in addition to higher T. If you're not going to deep strike them behind the enemy, you might as well just deploy them normally since the no man's land is only 18 inches now.

>>53596287
It's kinda different for CSM since Warp Time can pretty much guarantee a charge. A deep striking cadre of a Sorc, a small Termie unit designed for shooting to bodyguard for him, and some unit of nasty assault fuckers is a solid idea.

>>53596057
Nerfed implies they were good in the first place. They were not.

>>53596712
So looking at other models, Warp Talons seem to be the only unit with this wording for Lightning Claws, I'd say use this interpretation at risk.

Tyranids on the other hand use this +1 attack for each scything talon through the book, which is pretty huge for them.

There are a lot of errors in these books, more than I would expect. The Dark Angel Nephilim Jetfighter gets Heavy 1 (probably correct) with it's Blacksword missiles; in the wargear, it's a Heavy 10 weapon.

>it is now impossible to take full ravenwing command squads because they take up 3 elite squads and the outrider detachment only allows 2 elites
God fucking damnit GW

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>>53596536
If you plan on spamming lots of infantry consider a brigade detachment. That nets you a ton of CP and all the slots you need.

>>53596499
Who drew that?

>>53596851
Source?

>>53596966
Use a second detachment, the one with 1 HQ and all elites

>>53596966
You would just need to use a second detachment of some sort. Not impossible at all.

>>53596966
I think you're using the wrong detachment for Ravenwing. You should be using the Vanguard Detatchment and taking as many Black Knights as possible. You even get 2 fast attacks for your darkshrouds.

>>53596976
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2120

Dark Imperium book.

>>53596966
It's almost like ravenwing don't usually deploy as solo forces and instead work as support troops for greenwing.

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>>53596974
Russian dude named Flick

he's good

>>53597011
>>53597014
Then I have to take a second HQ. Chaplain or Librarian?
>>53597025
Except that it's canon that they frequently deploy alongside Deathwing aka what I'm doing. Thankfully my Deathwing with command squad fits nicely into the Vanguard detachment. Unfortunately the Ravenwing don't.

>>53596892
>no man's land is only 18 inches now.
objectively untrue.
there are multiple different deployment set ups, many of which have a 24" inch no mans land. and getting from your zone to the middle takes 3 turns, plus any verticle movement that might be needed.

>Predator also has more wounds than the entire squad of oblits
2 more but yes.
and it's capacity for fire gets depleted at fairly equal points.

Outside of specifically st 5 an 6, the difference between wounding for oblits and preditors is 1 point on the die. So 1/6th. Which is the same as the difference between the saves. It gets complicated in how the multiplication on that works out, but still thing.
also, oblits are cheaper.

So there are pros and cons on both sides.
Pred:
Harder hitting (moderate)
longer range (moderate)
toughness (minor).

Oblits:
Positioning (major)
Point cost (minor).

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>>53597042
Found his DA. Excellent.

>>53596007
It looks cool

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>>53596974
Flick.

>>53595910
paint them, wait the two months or less for the deathguard codex, then invest. unless you have money to burn, then get some tanks, a rhino, maybe a hellbrute off ebay like other anon said

>>53597062
>Then I have to take a second HQ. Chaplain or Librarian?
Yes. Most forces will have more than on HQ.

I saw a template for painting Primaris Marines posted on /tg/ a while back, does anyone have a link to it?

Has anyone posted Dark Imperium? I must know and I'm poor but someone said that it's revealed in that book that guilliman is a psyker and hates primaris marines: WE NEED TO KNOW THE TRUTH!!!

Also the source is Lady Atia reading the book.

>Carnifex brood STILL sold out
For fuck sake, its fucking weeks.

>>53597101
Link, for all that is good and holy

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>Big Mek with dual kombi-skorchas

Gimmick or useful?

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>>53597159

>>53597166
It was miscommunication from the last thread. Someone does have a copy. But the book is only on preorder for the next two week. Hopefully Dark Imperiumanon will upload,

>>53597206
Thanks boss.

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>>53597159
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/29/new-warhammer-40000-the-ultima-founding-may29gw-homepage-post-4/

>>53597216
My wife has been coloring SM for a week now. If you come up with something cool, drop a copy off. She is having trouble deciding on her first paint scheme.

>>53597198
How many points is that? It's a lot of Dakka to be sure

>>53597198
GO HAM

>>53596352
>>53596758

Poorfags butthurt they can't afford the LE. Stay mad, plebs

>>53597166
>it's revealed in that book that guilliman is a psyker
All the Primarchs are at least latent psykers. This isn't news.

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>>53597122
>gym pants Sororitas

I didn't know I needed this until I saw it.

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"So in summation, we have a troop transport that can't carry troops, a fast skimmer that's too heavy to do either well, a quasi-tank with less armor than a Land Speeder...but with enough firepower to take out half of a hive city."

>>53596148
Anyone?

Are deathleapers worth taking now?

>>53597188
Come on dude just google flick deviantart, it's not that hard.

>>53597301
If you're a dedicated fangirl...

>>53597101
protip: his tumblr's better

>>53596105
tge fight phase is AFTER the charge move...you do not find out what your weapons are until after you have charged the target and moved in. If your target is a tank and then after you charge when the fight phase begins you roll shit...you just tickle the tank...... again read the entry

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>>53596851
>Cawl's blasphemous hordes
There may be hope to redeem their fluff. I doubt GW realy will though.

>>53597283
>Imperial M2 Bradly
I love it.

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Dafuq is this about?

>>53596851
It would be fantastic if it drove a split in the Admech which brought about the introduction of Dark Mechanicum and another admech faction

But that will never happen

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>>53597338
Aw yeah anon you'r right.

>>53597378
Because you didn't actually look up what that model was

>>53597378

The Primaris transport cannot transport Primaris dudes. Simple enough.

>>53597378
Its a HQ rhino. Its not a primaris marine thing

I want a cool to play model for my space marines, before I start in on my Chaos SM
I have :
2x Dark Vaengence box sets
3 more tact squads
1 sniper scout squads
1 devastator squad
1 Roboute
2 AoBR dreads.
2 AM start collecting allies
1 8th edition box on the way.

I play them as vanilla marines.
Any suggestions?

>>53597283
I don't know what to feel about those skids

>>53596148
Add another swarmlord

>>53596016
I think scions air dropping from valks with grav chutes is a lot more valuable now. Cant get rapid fire range from deep strike.

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Fluff me some dudes /tg/, names, colours and the like
Mechanised Infantry, they strike from orbit with their Repulsors, prefer shooting to melee, hate Inceptors and working with Manlet Marines

>>53597166
-Imperium bow to Guilliman -In contact with Eldar -Possess psychic-like abilities -Control Galaxy with an iron but fair fist -Own fortess-monasteries & manufactorums globally -Direct descendant of the ancient royal blood line -Will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Guillipolis will be be the first city) -Own 99% of DNA editing research facilities on Terra -First designer babies will in all likelihood be Guilliman babies -said to have 215+ IQ, such intelligence on Terra has only existed deep in Tibetan monasteries & Astronomican -Ancient Indian scriptures tell of one angel who will descend upon Terra and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them -He owns Mindshackle scarabs around the galaxy -You likely have Guillibots inside you right now -The Guilliman is in regular communication with the Living Saints Celestine and Katarinya, forwarding the word of Emperor to the Adeptus Mechanicus Who do you think set up the meeting between the Ecclesiarch & the Mechanicus high command (First meeting between the two organisations in over 9000 years) and arranged the Mechanicus leader's first trip to Antarctica in history literally a few days later to the Guilliman bunker in Wilkes land? -They learned fluent Eldar speech in under a week -Chapters entrust their adamantium reserves with the primarch. There's no gold in Imperial Palace, only Guilliman's Palace -The primarch is about 10 millennia old, from the space-time reference point of the base human currently accepted by our society -In reality, he is timeless being existing in all points of time and space from the big bang to the end of the universe. We don't know his ultimate plans yet. We hope he is benevolent being.

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Let me try one more time
Has anything changed for Space Wolves in this edition? Are they a good pick for a very first 40k army?
I'm thinking about buying a Star Collecting as a core and Skyhammer Wolf Pack or NuMarines half of starter set to paint them as SW

>>53596851
>ask for thing
>get thing
>why you make thing

>>53597453
airdropping out of a valk still has a 9 inch range restriction
you could theoretically just leave the valk normally at the start of your movement fase though

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where fulgrim at? releasing death guard when ultramarines got their primarch bak, wtf? missed opportunity much

>>53597450
You can only have one sadly

>>53597426
Are you running a 4000 pts army?

>>53597484

Thanks for the rundown

>>53597506

>Slaanesh
>getting anything
>ever

>>53597462
>The Iron Ogryns

>>53596851
Technically they are blasphemous to the Admech and Imperium. They are modified space marines created without the emperors will.
But Guilliman isn't religious so its not blasphemy to him personally.

>>53597506
GW probably didn't want the sex, drugs and rock'n'roll marines in the starter set of all places

>>53597499
It has the range restriction, but since you're disembarking the unit gets to move normally

>>53597515
It was Bogdanoffs copypasta .

>>53597515
good point, seems like the political correctness era we are in killed slaanesh

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>>53597536

>>53596659
You don't HAVE to take command squads or platoon commanders, they are completely optional.

>>53597462
They are actually giant squats.

>>53597526
noise marines dont always have their cocks out, plus going towards the perfection side of slaanesh is better than the sex side

>>53597486
Thunderwolf cavalry gained 1 wound and the wolves themselves have 3 attacks of their own

Is there any updated builder already? I see that https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#!/rosterCreator has updated few factions

Is there any reason to take IG command squads any more, now that you can just buy the officer alone?

>>53597514
no, I am planning to play power levels in my garage.

When are we going to get a gif of the reporter interviewing a laughing space marine but a manlet marine interviewing a primaris marine instead

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I tried something with this guys chitin and I think I like it but I'm good to hear any advice on improvement. What would be a good flesh color for this drone to go with the chitin?

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>>53597562
>noise marines dont always have their cocks out

So Guardsmen are looking great right, I've always wanted to field hundreds of mooks

>>53597586
medics

>>53596419
There was...there was not...

>>53597586
they're essentially special weapons squads with bs 3+
the medkit is really good for plasma gunners/reviving characters incase of snipers

>>53597594
use a white base and paint it by using only/mainly green shades

>>53597608
Buy up HWT. Their edition has arrived!

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>>53597600

>>53597562
They'd want to have daemonettes, though, and muh chilluns

>>53597594
After you prime go over with watered down white and water down the green more. Use a larger brush and after applying a generous amount to the model dab the brush onto a paper tower and use what's on the model already insteading of globbing more and more on making it unsightly and uneven in a bad way.

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>>53597534
>political correctness era we are in killed Slaanesh
More like overly sensitive christian conservatives afraid that Timmy seeing a boob might turn him into a sexual deviant.

>>53597526
This is more like it, They'll keep Slaanesh around but just don't want it on their flagship box set(s).

>>53597562

>>53597499
That 18" rapid fire is rough with the 9" restriction everywhere. It's all about the special weapons now I guess

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So uh...

Since the Fallen are listed as a seperate faction now
Could it mean that Cypher was able to steal the Primaris blueprint while hanging out in the Sol System, and the traitor Primaris dudes will be upgraded fallen?

>>53597644
The Master of Mankind Dead?

>>53597660
We have found the master of mankind dead?

So company vets are customizable meat shields for characters?

>>53597594
a sickly pale yellowish green or maybe even a pale light orange.

>>53597644
The Cunt...Guilliman the...changed...those...the Master of Mankind dead

>>53597644
>those w(...) the Master of Mankind dead

those who wish to see the Master of Manking dead.

>>53597608
yeah , i feel like orders have gotten better to
especially now that the good ones aren't locked away behind senior officer anymore
also bane wolves and devil dogs look like they'll find a place in many ig lists

>>53597594
Why not a pale pink?

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Forge World Chaos Index contents

The thing about this that interests me the most is rules for a "Greater Blight Drone" which would seem to imply the FW model has distinct rules from the Foetid Bloat Drone.

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>>53597638
>>53597631
i just hope we get a revamp like the DG and 1ksons within the next 12months. i want new minis for noise marines and fulgrim so god damn bad

>>53597641
nah >>53597529
is correct
looks like scions in valks or vendettas are going to be a really good combo !

>>53597644
So the emperor dies atop the throne, daemons charge through, custodes and terra counter attacks forcing them back, but find the emperor dead.

Did Cypher do it or did the throne finally fail?
The fluff mentioned the throne was close to failing already and the emps was dying.

>>53597594
Any word on if plague guard can take plague drones?

>>53597700
It was actually Tuska.

>>53597619
is there any point when you can go even further and just buy scion command squads for the better save/deep strike for a few points more

vendettas are confirmed for being in the Forgeworld book

>>53597644
there was a thread about this a few hours ago with a less touched up picture
you could make out "like those ___ would ___ the master of mankind dead"
obvius marketing ploy, they d never kill emps

>>53597700
I'm pretty sure if Emperor dies, everything falls apart. Isn't he the only thing keeping Warp Travel working?

No Skitarii Hoplites or Peltasts in the FW books?

>>53597746
iirc the astronomicon predates him being on the golden throne. They certainly used warp travel during the great crusade.

So it might keep going. Or maybe the Emperor is keeping a presence in the Warp after death.

>>53597746
>Guilliman is psychic
>Takes up channelling the astronomican
>ynnari use dead magic to keep him alive
>he becomes the emperor

>>53597723
can't be targeted by a normal platoon/company commander when it comes to orders
also scions are more than twice as expensive ...

Who /Chaos/ here?

>>53597264
gimme the last part whre commissar helps sob in battle

>>53597462
>helmet holder on belt
Shit that's actually a nice touch.

>>53597621
>>53597635
>>53597678
>>53597688
Aw damn I'm stupid I thought this was the WIP gen but this is all solid advice thank you fellas. I gotta admit the pink option is appealing but I will take some time before deciding on that and paint a few more plaguebearer fellas

>>53597698
Aw hell yeah. Imagine a 10 man squad with a tempestor dropping in next to them and giving first rank fire for like 36 shots.

>>53597697
In the interim, I'm just gunna grab some Volkite guns to give to my CSM - voila, instant sonic weapons

>>53597762
iirc that's because when he wasn't missing half of him he was able to power while still having plenty of power left to do other shit
he needed to get on the throne to stop the warp gate from annihilating Terra after magnus did nothing wrong

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>screamers now shit
>flamers now shit
>horrors now shit
>lmao what if lords of change were combat characters

So there's a unit in Imperial Index 1 called Imperial Space Marine, and it just seems to be a single marine with an impressive statline. What's up with that?

>>53597764
He should make twenty Primedar babies with Yvraine before that.

>>53597746
There are smaller choirs and beacons which can be used for warp travel. But the astronomican is the only one that visible almost everywhere. Only the far east can't see it, and even there warp travel is possible.

Just as importantly he is keeping the daemons in the webway from spilling into terra and making a new eye of terror

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>>53597672
That's what they used to be. Now they are just a completely customizable 4 man squad. No need to stay near the character at this point.

>>53597697
And hopefully a Slaaneshi cultist unit, wouldn't mind a Miriael model ether.

>>53597764
That would have to be some sickass zombie magic feeding him the souls of the entire (a)eldar(i) race, wouldn't it? Malcador was the next most powerful psyker in history after the Big E, and the Golden Throne fucking killed him in like 12 hours iirc

>>53597813
but at least rubrics are good now r-right

>>53597804
atm im just buying lots of slaanesh deamons. cant stand the look of the old CSM compared to the newer stuff

>>53595852
Airforce guys are useless but even they know how to spread butter on toasts.

>>53597762
Or maybe the belief in the Emperor is enough to power the Astronomicon, and hiding his demise is the only way to perpetuate that belief throughout humanity.

Plus it'd be bad for morale.

>"Okay men, I gathered you all here today to tell you that the God Emperor, the man we have literally bet everything on for 10,000 years and constantly look to for help against the ceaseless torments of the galaxy is dead as a doornail."

>"Don't worry though I'm sure it'll he fine."

>>53597762
the emperor is like a lighthouse in the warp, its how they tell where they are going, cause his point is earth, so they can extrapolate where they are heading...kind of

>>53597764
>>model not included in Codex
>>model now paper weight.

fuck you GW!

>>53597820
>who is Magnus
Malcador aint got shit on him

>>53597818
They can look out sir so can honor guard minimum 2 max 5 but remember look out sir is Mortal wounds

Without Big E nothing stops the warp from destroying terra because the emps webway was fucked up my magnus

>>53597798
I know, right. I want all my sergeants to have that.

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>>53597814
Limited edition figure, still available if you know where to look.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Games-Workshop-40k-Imperial-Spacemarine-2016-/142401611087?hash=item2127cc254f:g:OVQAAOSw8lpZMHBF

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Can you shoot your bolter and boltpistol? This seems to suggest you can, but the Example turn suggests otherwise.

>>53597810
okay, off topic, but I do love how the Chaos primarch falls can be blamed on different unique flavors of pride.
Magnus's pride was that overconfidence. He thought he understood and could control the warp powers he was using.
Perturobo's pride was a bitter envious pride. No one was good enough for him, and no one gave him enough credit.
Fulgrims was arrogance. He was overconfident in himself like magnus, but form was different.

Even Konrad had pride in his nihilism. He thought if he couldn't fix and change things his way, then no one could. He never asked for help.
on and on.

Can't wait for the Necrons to come and enslave Terra

>>53597122
>>53597264
This is exactly. EXACTLY. what the Schola Progenium is like. GW can take their over-edgy child abuse cult and shove it.

>>53595913
Yes, it is region locked. When you select rest of the world you are fucked with usd prices.

>>53597886
Which chaos god is the manifestation of Pride?

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>>53597802
why not a 7 man squad, a 4 man command squad with plasma's with plasmas and a tempestor with the command rod, the valkyrie has 12 spots after all
>lasguns go FRFSRF
>Plasma guns take aim
>24 hot shot lasgun shots
>8 overcharged plasma shots rerolling 1's
>any retaliation will have to divide their attacks between the smaller plasma section or the larger hot shot section

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>>53597883
Example combat turn:
The plague marines only attack with bolters and the champion throws a grenade.

I've seen mention of monofaction being enforced, does that refer to just how a detachment has to share a faction, or does matched play have some rule that says all your Detachments must contain the same faction?

Follow-up question, since Imperium is a faction keyword, am I allowed to do silly shit like make a patrol detachment out of Marneus Calgar and a shitload of conscripts?

Is their anything like battlescribe for 8th edition yet?

>>53597886
All of the loyalists had hubris as their greatest flaw too. Vulkan's the only real exception.

>>53597536
>>53597552
>under 9ft tall
>implying grills would want the signature of a marinelet

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I hope Raptors are available to EC when they drop.

>>53595825
get off of 4chan Tim

>>53597883
Nah. Look at how pistols are worded. You can shoot all of a models pistol weapons or any other weapons, but not both

Will Corvus ever return? What was even the point of keeping him alive Raven Guard are such an unloved faction.

>>53597920
Guilliman never comes across as particularly hubristic in the HH novels, despite the memes.

A bit naive maybe.

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>>53597883

>>53597883
When the weapon types are explained, it says that pistols may only be fired alongside other pistols, on any given model. So if you have a bolter, a flamer, an inferno pistol, and a bolt pistol (somehow), you can fire the bolter and flamer together, or the two pistols together, but not mix and match between the two groups. Pistols or not-pistols.

>>53597909
yes. you can make silly shit detachments just like that.

>>53597927
Considering my army is, fluffwise, closet Slaaneshii Night Lords, I'll be pretty bummed if they *aren't*

Sounds kinda dumb, and it probably is

>>53597949
Not unless emo comes back into fashion.

>let slip that the codex's which were not really updated in 7th I.E grey knights and nids are going to be among the first to get new codex's

Been absent since the beginning of 6th, who are the prospective first codices? I know Orks were the first army to receive one in 7th, but I could see them getting an early one. Other than Grey Knights and Nids, who else didn't receive a 7th codex that'll likely get one?

>>53597909
yes you are
for some reason it mentions death guard has to be your keyword in the starter set death guard booklet though but gw has stated on numerous occasions that you just need a common faction keyword

>>53597902
T I T E
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I kinda wanna air drop ogryns now too. Tactical morons with rebreathers and baseball bats.

>>53597021
Black Knights are fast attack, not elite.

>>53597985
guard is currently still on their 6th ed codex

>death guard get their god's psychic powers
>thousand sons don't

>>53597898
all of them. just in different forms.

>>53597920
>>53597958
they compensate or work against their pride to various degrees, hence their fall isn't complete.
And the level they get fucked up ties pretty close to the level they let their pride rule the day.

>>53597881
>GBP 5.00
i thought good boy points thing was a meme, i didnt know it was actual currency ebay accepted

>daemonettes are supposed to be sexy succubi
>models are deliberately and relentlessly fucking hideous
why

>>53597693
you mean foetid bloat-drone is not the same thing as a Nurgle Blight Drone??? you think???

bloat-drone does not equal blight drone...or plague drone for that matter

>>53597166
I'm interested too. Any news?

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>>53597378
Predates Primaris Marines. A Warhammer World exclusive thing.

>>53596148
pls

>>53598023

I don't think GW is able to mold a sexy figurine even if they tried. All their models have hideous deformed faces.

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Whats about my list?

>>53598006
>>GW puts out fake index leaks.
>> TS players buy the new hip DG models.
>>real index drops.
>>GW "shouldnt trust unverified sources. and playtestcopies"

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>>53597883
Now, more importantly, which models can take two ranged weapons like two bolters so I can field lead farmers?