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2 Shard Volley or 2 Grim Lavamancer in Burn?
Alternatively 1 Volley and 1 Bedlam Reveler. Really need to tune my list for tonight.

>>53580677
>56% poorfags
No surprises here. Poorfags are the fucking worst.

>>53580838
Shard Volley.

>>53580534
>>Playing?
Ad Nauseam, been playing it for years and I'm sick of it
>>Brewing?
Nothing really
>>Hating?
Game 1 chalice? not a whole lot
>>Metagame thoughts?
Field has some popular harsh maindeck answers to AN which makes it a bit harder but it's not awful, as long as it doesn't get Chaliced or discarded out the ass it should be able to beat most of the popular decks

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STOP NECK DECKING REEEEEEEEE

>>53581001
Keep screeching all you want Des, not going to happen.

>>53580998
If you're sick of it, why not trade out of it?

>>53581001
I'd listen to him if he were a good player
But he isn't and can't brew his way out of a paper bag so he'll always be an autistic retard. Knew a guy like him in my old group, fuck these people

>Playing?
Spirits

>Brewing?
Abzan Thune-Feeder nonsense

>Hating?
I have three Ceremonious Rejection in the board. Guess.

>Metagame thoughts?
Some of the best it's ever been. Still a big NBL fan.

Any judges in the house? If I play around Blessed Alliance by attacking with Geist of Saint Traft and one other creature (so they can't play it with the token trigger on the stack), if they have a blocker and kill my second attacker during damage, can they make me sacrifice Geist during the end of combat step after the exile token trigger resolves?

>>53581700
Not a judge, but yes.
>second attacker dies during combat damage phase
>go to end of combat phase
>geist trigger goes on the stack
>both players pass priority
>trigger resolves
>active player gets priority: pass
>non-active gets priority: cast blessed alliance

>>53581820
So it's considered attacking until combat is over. Got it.

>>53581887
Correct. Creatures are only removed from combat at the end of the end of combat phase.

>>53581937
or if regenerated

>>53581608
a.) I don't know what I'd play
b.) I don't really know a lot of people, I usually just go to big events
I like playing Affinity but I don't own any of the pieces. I have the remnants of Infect which I played on the side but now that it's dead I've just got a pile of fetches and nobles
Honestly I'd play another deck if I had a convenient way to offload the stuff I have

What are good coco decks one can build?

>>53582259
Counters / Abzan Company, CoCo Elves, Knightfall.

>>53580838
Burnfag here.

If you run 20 lands, you can run a single Shard Volley. I would never run 2, this shit isn't Fireblast. If you run 18-19 lands, don't run Shard Volley.

Lavamancer is pretty bad right now, there aren't a lot of decks we can grind against, and those that can will kill Javamancer on the spot before we can get significant value. I will occasionally run 1 in the sideboard, but not in the past two months or so.

If you need more spells, consider 1 main Deflecting Palm. It's good in a lot of matchups ( any deck with a big Goyf, Shadow, Anglers, Wurmcoil, Cranial Plating, etc.).

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Am I the only one who wants to see fetchlands and shocklands printed into oblivion? I'm not against cards being expensive per se, but staple lands being $15 a pop is just unnecessary. It seems silly that tron lands are less expensive to be honest.

>>53582587
No, you re not. I'm of the belief that there should not be a single card over $10 and every year there should be a Masters set with 250 of the most expensive cards and it should be printed to hell and back.

I get that there should be a barrier to entry, and that we enjoy a hobby that's as expensive as any other hobby, but a deck should be $300 at most. Prices are ridiculous. And before you start calling me poorfag, I have Burn, Affinity, two EDH decks, and am building Jund. I don't give a single crap deal if I 'lose investment value', I just don't want the game in love to die because people can't afford a deck. I just want to play some fucking Magic.

>>53582696
or they could just ban fetch lands

>>53582744
why

>>53582800
because there used to be a trade off when you ran multiple colors

>>53582817
Did you forget that duals were printed in Alpha?
There really wasn't much of a tradeoff and fetches have been in the game for a while and have always been fine

>>53582862
why even bother bringing up alpha like its relevant to todays modern?

>>53582947
why are you talking about how things used to be (they weren't) like it's relevant to today's modern?

>>53582587
Wizards should create Red-Bordered Competition cards for major events. You'd submit your list and your deck would be waiting for you, and then when you exit competition you leave them with the judges. You could make cheating absolutely fucking impossible with digital watermarking and smart playing tables that track every card at all times (a bonus for spectators and number crunchers interested in such things, also makes stealing the cards impossible since when you hand in the deck a computer can count all the cards in a millisecond). You could even I can't even list all the things wrong with this idea in one post please don't do this Wizards I don't want you to go bankrupt.

>>53583013
Good thing you added the disclaimer.

>>53583004
because when fetch lands existed in onslaught and early, they literally either got you 1 of 2 basic lands

now you can search for stomping grounds and still have both your colors. ie no trade off

>>53583139
>ABUR Duals never existed

>>53582696
I disagree. Cards being expensive and valuable is a big allure to magic -- especially for game stores. Booster box/pack openings are only enjoyable because of the chance at getting expensive cards as well. Ultimately, for the game to keep going Wizards needs to be able to profit off of it and so do local game stores. If you destroy the secondary market, you destroy the profitability of LGS facilitating the game, you'll subsequently lose their support for the game (LGS events, FNM, etc.), then local community meet-ups for the game evaporate and so to will the community. You don't want to take it the way of Force of Will by turning off LGS to it.

My disagreement with prices is that lands shouldn't be the expensive thing.

>>53583139
fetches have always existed in modern though, and an untapped dual costs 3 life, which is fairly significant, especially if you do it more than once

>>53583185
>3 life to be able to play your deck
small price

>>53583154
>extended never existed
>white borders never existed
>Lightning Bolt never existed
>Tarmagoyf printed as part of a future set
>future set never existed
>Tarmagoyf never existed

I can barely tolerate Mark Rosewater but his army of wannabe game devs are the worst.

>>53583244
>small price
A small price that is relevant sometimes. Decks that have a painless manabase (e.g. Affinity before Spire) have an advantage.

>>53583443
Isnt one of the first things you learn in mtg is that life doesnt matter and that its a resource

>>53583465
>doesn't matter
>is a resource

pick one

>>53583250
Are you insulting me? Because I was making a sarcastic comment on

>they literally either got you 1 of 2 basic lands

Was that not clear to you?

>>53583482
>its a resource
>doesnt matter as long at its above 0 (baring cards that say otherwise)

>>53583527
I was expanding on your sarcasm with my own. I can see how that might get lost. There's a subsection of new MTG players who think that Magic has all these hard and fast rules about cost efficiency, color pie, design no-no's. They have no idea. They all listen to Maro's podcasts and quote quote them like the bible. In my limited experience they are some of the least competitive players I've ever encountered. They usually play EDH, or some little kid indie deck like Monogreen Stompy if they HAVE to play Modern, GAWD what a mess of a format.

>>53583482
Mana is a resource but you don't need to hoard it, you need to use it. Life is the same way.

>>53583565
Cards like, you know, lightning bolt

It always matters, you just have to accurately assess how much several times a turn and spend it accordingly. You don't fetch untapped shocks every turn just for the color depth unless you know what you're playing for the next few turns...or you do because you're Death's Shadow.

>>53583465
It is a resource. You shouldn't squander it.

If one deck starts at 20 life and the other starts at 17, one of those decks has more of that resource left. It matters.

>>53583674
>dont turn this hunk of steel and depleted uranium into an adrams tank, that would mean we have less steel and DU.

lol

>>53583590
Oh, I see now. I guess I'll call myself the autistic faggot, then. Although, I'm not sure I've met these people. Are these the same people that jump at any chance they get to suck his cock on Blogatog?


>>53583465
i would say that life as a resource is pretty significant. The difference between 7 and 6 or 4 and 3 are pretty huge. Stuff like fetches and shocks are pretty fair in that regard. Do you fetch at 4 life and risk a bolt to the face? Does winning in that turn offset the possibility of losing? The difference between 20 and 17 life is almost negligible, but it certainly matters the longer the game goes. Life is a reaource, but it needs to be managed properly, just like mana effeciency, cards in hand, etc.

>>53583694
>do we turn this steel and uranium into a tank or do we turn it into a wall while we launch missiles at the enemy
I hope you're trolling. If you don't recognize that points of life matter and should be used judiciously, I don't know what to say to you.

>>53583736
Yeah those are the ones. Also you should always end the game at 1 life, because that means you were the most efficient possible with your resources. Come on man, it's basic Magic 101.

>>53583736
>Do you fetch at 4 life and risk a bolt to the face? Does winning in that turn offset the possibility of losing? The difference between 20 and 17 life is almost negligible, but it certainly matters the longer the game goes. Life is a reaource, but it needs to be managed properly, just like mana effeciency, cards in hand, etc.

>doesnt matter as long at its above 0
these things arent at odds with each other

>>53583844
Just because you don't always get punished for playing badly doesn't mean you didn't play badly.

>>53584160
what are you on about?

Hey all. I'm currently trying to Tweak and rebalance the Esper Control list from GP Kobe. In playing and grinding games with a friend, I've been finding that I really don't like the Reactive style Cryptic shell with the Glory Engine.

I've been testing a ton of midrangey-style threats instead, so I can go
"t1:Cantrip
t2:Spell
t3:Draw or Tokens
t4:Threats"

I'm liking this list a lot more because it feels like I am playing a pro-active game and that I'm fighting.

My Current List:

// 60 Maindeck
// 9 Creature
4 Glory-Bound Initiate
4 Snapcaster Mage
1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang

// 9 Instant
3 Fatal Push
2 Path to Exile
2 Spell Snare
2 Mana Leak

// 24 Land
4 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
4 Darkslick Shores
1 Seachrome Coast
1 Watery Grave
1 Hallowed Fountain
2 Godless Shrine
3 Shambling Vent
1 Celestial Colonnade
3 Island
1 Plains
1 Swamp

// 3 Planeswalker
3 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar

// 15 Sorcery
4 Painful Truths
4 Serum Visions
2 Thoughtseize
3 Collective Brutality
2 Lingering Souls

I'm thinking of sideboarding the 2 spell snare for 1 Blessed Alliance and 1 more Lingering Souls

>>53584279
see
>>53581001

>>53584279
The reason midrange decks like that will run a pair of Cryptics is so you have an out to resolved permanents like Ensnaring Bridge.

I think 3 Gideons is too many. It's usually best to diversify your walkers so you can get multiple in play at once. 1 Gideon, 1 Elspeth, 1 Jace might be a better split.

>>53584411
Yeah; it's just that Gideon takes over the game so quickly that I wanted to hit it consistently. I will probably test the 1/1/1 split though.

>>53584395
See
>>53581584
>>53581613

>>53584279
Oh, forgot to say; Current Sideboard-

3 Engineered Explosives
3 Rest in Peace
2 Ceremonious Rejection
2 Countersquall
1 Go for the Throat
2 Spell Snare
2 Lost Legacy

>>53584439
I as a player Netdeck and then tweak depending on what feels good to me.

>>53580534

Gifts Storm: Y/N?

>>53584508
Hard yes

Love that deck so much.

>>53584508

yes

remember to use serum visions before manamorphose/sleight of hands to set up draws

I need help accepting very small damage to my cards after years of playing with them. Every time I notice the smallest damage I get tempted to replace a card immediately (despite it being sometimes slightly costly, nothing crazy though). How do you guys deal with it?

>>53584614
not having autism mostly

>>53584614
Double sleeve and then accept that some damage is going to happen.

>>53584614
If you double sleeve and you're still accruing damage you have shitty hands and shouldn't collect Magic cards.

>>53584614
By getting moderately played cards

>Playing?
storm and eldrazi tron, both are super fun
>Brewing?
life from the loam memes
>Hating?
FUCK deaths shadow and FUCK thoughtseize/iok
>Metagame thoughts?
ban deaths shadow, at least ban street wraith for the love of god

>>53585209
>ban street wraith
inb4 Living End players reeeeeeee

>>53585209
>plays SpaghettiTron
>wants to ban anything

WOOOOOOOOORST

>>53585368
ban path to exile and ghost quarter

>>53585368

>/tg/ is complaining about tron again

stop this meme right now

>>5358460
Sleight of hands first is better though, as it lets you dig deeper. At least it is in ad nauseam.

>>53585464
There is nothing to complain about though (except people complaining, what I was doing and what you're doing now), the format is actually good.

>>53585655
Shut up, fucker. There's always something to complain about. And if there isnt, we'll find something to complain about. Like how Kithkin tribal has infiltrated my lgs. (Not even joking)

>>53585714
>not fucking it up with zombros

>>53585714
I'm always down to complain about EDH shitters and r/custommagic.

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>tfw no qt bf to play magic with you

>>53585989
wow, bard used to be a lot less heavy


what happened to him

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>>53586083
He's going bearmode. This is a good thing.

Which tribal Deck to build?
GB Elves with 2 Caverns or Merfolks with 0 Caverns?

>>53586124
Neither

Both decks are just bad right now.

>>53586146
Which Deck should I make with only 250€ (MCM prices)?

>>53586124
Depends. You can do Elves, and cry yourself to sleep. Or Merfolk, and cry when you wake up in the early afternoon. The question becomes, what time do you hate crying?

>>53586177
play emeria titan

>pros adding 2 Myr Retriever to Scrappy Eggs
Shit is the nuts, it's only truly eggs when you can go ~infinite~
>they haven't swapped Emrakul for Ballista
soon, fellow memers. soon.

>>53586309
Emeria Titan is a good choice as it can builds into UW control and shares cards with DnT

Speaking of cheap decks, DnT

>>53585209
>This deck goes under me so I want it banned out.
Classic tron fags.

>>53586181
Call me stupid, but I need to know. What does it mean "cry when you wake up in the early afternoon"? It's the first time I have seen it.

>53585209
>Storm
>(Super) fun
Please elaborate, I'm interested in reading.

>>53586469
He meant that merfolk are better than elves but still not good

>>53586524
*upvoted*

>>53586495
The gifts storm deck is just incredibly fun to play. It's a lot of thought on "how do I get to this one position" and a lot of technical play

I just bought 4 CoCos on impulse

what can I build if I only wanted to spend around $100 more

>>53586749
i saw a mono green stompy list with 4x coco in it

>>53586749
What do you already have? Bant Spirits is a deck after all

>>53586626
not to mention sometimes you just get to kill people on turn three (or two if you're playing simian spirit guide)

>>53586778
I don't like playing SSG personally; I find it to be a dead card more often than not. If I am playing it, I only play it at 2.

But yes, the t3 kill is super hilarious.

>>53586776
4 Hierarchs. Birds aren't good.

>>53586799
If you have Hierarchs, you can easily piece together the rest of bant spirits.

>>53586469
I'm implying that the people who play Merfolk are sad, depressed people who stay in bed until 1:00pm, where they lay, broken and suicidal. And after staring at the ceiling for the last hour, cry terrible and sad tears as they once again wake up in this horrible and hateful world.

>>53587000
No those are control players.

I would know-

*Swigs from a bottle of whiskey and stares at a handgun*

>>53582587
Any other flowcharts for Modern?

>>53587021
You're also depressed, just in a different way. Control players stay up late into the night, staring blankly at whatever is on the television. A half-eaten, luke-warm microwave dinner sitting in their lap, a bottle of hard liquor next to their hand, a cigarette dangling limp from their lips. They are a broken people, desperate to cling to any hope left in them, but it's inevitable. The end will come soon, and so they sit, contemplating the handgun that sits next to their booze. Perhaps they pick up the firearm, feel the weight in their hand, even put the cold barrel to their temple. But they are ultimately cowards, putting the gun back on the side table, and shuffling back to bed.

>>53587135
>>53587021
Which players are the happiest? Mill players? I'd figure Millfolk don't give a fuck about anything, so if they aren't happy they are at least not sad.

>>53586776
not a lot relevant to a CoCo deck

i was thinking maybe just making elves or something

>>53587200
Tron players. Literally it's "Play big simple shit the deck"

>>53586381
>swapping Emrakul for Walking Ballista
Excuse me while I just sideboard in Leyline...

>>53587200
The happiest players, I've found, are the ones who don't play Modern. Sure, you can get Storm players who are only 'happy' when they're going off, but pretty dead inside the rest of the time, or Jund players who seem chill only because they've been crapped on by other players (fucking richfags reee) so much that they don't give a single fuck about anything anymore. But mostly, bon-Modern players are happier.

>>53587233
No, no, Tron players see themselves as the hero Modern deserves. They help keep out 'cancerous' control players, policing the edges of the format and mumbling to themselves. They know their deck should be purged, but until that time, they will wear their cape and cowl, keeping the format exactly how they think it deserves to be, an aggro heavy beat down format.

>>53587233
Tron players are the weirdest combination of players ever.
They want nothing more than to win but yet they play a deck that largely relies on a combo which falls apart quite easily and lets the opponent trample over them when it does.

>>53587291
To be fair everybody is already loving the Emrakul wincon, even so Leyline is the least of hate problems for Eggs (unless it's the black Leyline)

I liked using the Sanctums to tutor for a piece (usually Retriever) instead of Momma Spaghetti in order to create loops with Trawler, drawing the deck and making infinite mana (with claims etc postboard)

>>53586099
jesus christ how sexy a man can be

>>53587200
Mill folk here.
I love every game I play as long as I'm not mana fucked. So satisfying to play, win or lose.

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>>53588100
How do you mill? Crab? Glimpse & Archive? Tutelage? Or do you summon a bunch of walls and Chord of Calling a Phenax?

I'm on the cusp of finishing up one of two decks. I need you guys to help me choose which one.

Should I build Eldrazi and Taxes or straight up Eldrazi Aggro?

>>53588200
Yes crab is a bro, don't eat them.
Glimpse is pretty much as must.
Same as crypt incursion and ensnaring bridge just to keep your janky ass alive.
I also like to run 8 removal/counterspell cards just to help me get through some tough turns and deal with threats or gain tempo.

In my experience playing creatures in mill is too difficult. Crob is the best and the second best (to none) is Manic Scribe but he's too iffy for me.

The deck is also super expensive so beware if you're interested in building it.

>>53588391
If I'm going to build a mill deck, it should be a one-shot with an outstanding first impression win-con. Either go infinite with mana and drain with Blue Sun's Zenith, build a labyrinth for Phenax and mindbreak the opponent, or go full-casual and just mill myself and reanimate all the allies to excavate my opponent to death with my allies' ETB triggers.

>>53586426
It doesn't go under, it goes toe-to-toe and over eldrazi and folds to Gx's 4 Paths and Karn/Ugin/Ulamog.

>>53585209
>Tronfag
>getting to complain about anything
You will accept your losses to Burn and Affinity and you will like it

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>>53580534
>>Playing?
pic, also in paper. also the legacy version, also in paper!
>>Brewing?
ehh
>>Hating?
soul-crushing work schedules
>>Metagame thoughts?
its fine leave it alone holy shit

>>53580534
>>Playing?
Rats
Hatebears
Death's Shadow Grixis
>>Brewing?
More optimal rats, although it's doing super well so far
>>Hating?
Vizier Combo
>>Metagame thoughts?
Ban Tron or Temple, ban cavern of souls, unban twin, unban BloodBraid Elf, reprint foil

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So me and my friends are new to modern, and magic in general. We have fun but there's a shared concern that the decks we play against each other will drift apart in terms of power-level.

Nobody wants to be that guy who dumped a few hundred dollars and steam-rolls our casual meet-ups/pressures others into spending. We can't be the only ones who have this problem. Is there any way to stop casual group power creep or is this just not the format for that?

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>>53585989
>tfw my bf introduced me to magic
>tfw he's not as into it as I am
>tfw he doesn't like to play against my decks anymore

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>>53588526
>If I'm going to build a mill deck, it should be a one-shot with an outstanding first impression win-con. [...]go infinite with mana and drain with Blue Sun's Zenith

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>>53590400
>have a casual group
>starts drifting towards competitive
>get up
>guys stop augmenting the power level of our decks, we better remain a casual group
ever since then we are a casual group.

>>53590675
I mean, there are plenty of ways to steam roll casual decks without even being close to the level of competitive. Throw together any kiln fiend lightning bolt searing spear shit for 30 bucks and you'll trounce pretty much anything that's thrown together from a collection of fat packs and boosters.

>>53590400
You could impose a spending cap.

The other general way to keep power levels in check is multiplayer. If one player starts beefing up their deck, the others just gang up on him. This becomes not very fun though.

>>53587322
>Tron players see themselves as the hero Modern deserves.
They are, and I'm not a Tron player. Blue-fags are the worst.

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>>53586124
>which tribal deck to build?
Robots.

>>53590790
>tfw I dominate locals with blue tron every week
What does that make me?

>>53590804
Someone who needs professional help. Friends don't let friends play mono-u tron.

>>53590770
Yeah finding a line to draw is the hard part though.

>>53590849
Reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnV2ewAXgvs

How can I get into MTG while being scared of going outside and nervous about spending money

>>53590904
xmage or watch event coverage

>>53590873
It's not really that inaccurate though. All casual magic turns into financial chicken...

Is Bant the most versatile manabase in Modern?

>>53591303
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>53591538
Between Bant itself, GWx, UWx, and to a lesser extent UGx, there's a massive diversity of decks.

>>53587106
For what?

>>53587200
Two color Burn. How is this a question?

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>>53588200
pic related. the combo is
>resolve tutelage
>don't die
>draw cards

>>53590463
tappedout.net/mtg-decks/28-05-17-modern-kithkin/

>>53588200
There's a Millguy at my FLGS that mills using Undead Alchemist + Altar of the Brood
The rest of his deck is counterspells, Counterbalance, Serum Visions, Telling Times and Vedalken Shackles
Also Mutavault

>>53588200
attack with ulamog :^)

>>53591708
But BGx have all the good cards

>>53591969
Good cards, limited diversity of decks.

Is oldschool/BtL Scapeshift dead? What can it do to survive and improve in this meta?

>>53590790
>this meme again
Tron doesnt crush blue as hard as it crushes Jund/Abzan

>>53592666
You're right, it crushes it harder.

>>53590114
Looks like a fun deck Anon. Although Leonin Arbiter and Magus of the Moon seem like a bit of a nonbo.

>>53590114
2x Eidolon 2x Mentor, not 4x Mentor

>>53592677
Are you memeing or just retarded? UW control has a decent matchup against Tron between Spreading Seas, Ghost Quarter, Crucible, and having counters to keep Karn and Ugin off the board. Jund and Abzan just get rolled by Tron.

>>53592666
It crushes both. Both midrange, which is trying to topdeck better threats than its opponent, and control, which is trying to turn the corner and gain inevitability, are going to have trouble with Tron.

>>53592756
Because you always draw said cards, Karn never resolves on turn 3 and wins on the spot and Tron can't play another land or just hardcast stuff after you play *gasp* Spreading Seas and Tron doesn't have nor draw their sideboard. Atleast Jund has bolts to follow early aggression.

>>53592829
Why are you so hostile? I dont even play U. Why is there such hatred for decks in this general?

>>53592829
Ok sure if Tron has everything go right every time and UW has nothing go right at all ever then yeah Tron wins every time and UW sucks I guess you're right time to sell my Cryptic Commands.

>>53593028
We don't hate decks. We hate blue-fags, because they're insufferable. They are literally never happy unless the format they are playing in is dominated by blue.

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>>53592829
Here tronfag its your worst nightmare

>>53593060
Sadly i cant disagree with this. Bluefags really make it hard to like them.

>>53593060
Shouldn't you be whining to Mark Rosewater on tumblr about your hydras getting countered?

>>53593130
There's no need. Modern is already a format that prevents control from getting out of hand.

Blue-fags are the ones who will constantly whine about this or that, wanting cards they don't like banned, blue cards unbanned, and more blue cards printed into the format.

>>53588200
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/blue-staff/

>>53593640
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/blue-staff/
>Storm Crow
>only 1 Echoing Truth in the entire deck aside from the 2 measly Void Snare
>has to deal with Stony Silence and Leyline

At least have Laboratory Maniac so you can get the self-mill win.

>>53592691
it's not so bad, really. you can turn your magus off with flickerwisp to do arbiter-quarter things if you need to. each has a role, you just need to play the line correctly.

>>53592725
i'll try it right meow.
got to beat naya burn with 'em. seems worth a look.

How good/fun is Knightfall? At this point Im only missing the Hierarchs

>>53595365
Play it with Birds of Paradise instead and find out.

>>53593828
wouldn't blue sun's on yourself for a lab man win require the same setup as drawing the deck and bouncing leyline?

also, I assume storm crow is there as tech vs shadow decks and a haymaker in grindy matchups.

>>53595454
Ad Nauseam doesn't need to deal with Leyline to draw itself to victory with Lab Maniac. You can still target yourself with Blue Sun Zenith even if you control Leyline.

Also Invisible Stalker would probably be better since he doesn't die to targeted removal or combat. Metalwork Colossus and March of the Machines are in the deck anyways.

How to avoid getting bushwhacked other than pyroclasm and/or anger?

>>53595552
Spell Snare

https://youtu.be/KufWLkPxrKc

Here /tg/ i think you need to watch this

>>53596233
>from the top of your deck
What are you talking about? Why aren't we dredging from our graveyard?
>plains
That's not a fetchland.
>you can only play one land per turn
You mean we don't have Azusa in play?

...and that's just the first 15 seconds. This video is silly.

>>53596233
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rGAyCn1fJQ

>>53596233
Watch part 3 to see a goofy looking young Jon Finkel.

>>53595450
I need 6-7 dorks tho

That guy who made the Ink-Trader deck posted an FNM report on reddit. Wonder if he was actually genuine.

>>53597116

spellweaver helix guy here, I made an ink treader deck before as well, and I would even be embarrassed to post that shit anywhere. I don't know if this guy is just proud to have made a deck with a card he likes or is genuinely shitposting

>>53597116
You mean the list that was over 60 cards and was 4 colors with no fixing?

>>53597233
He didn't just post a decklist, he took it to an FNM.

>>53597249
Yea, that one. He even mentioned that /tg/ helped him improve it.

>>53597268
Just proves that shitposters are gonna shitpost.

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>>53597268

He posted the list on rebbit, I'd post it here but apparently the file type is garbage so here's this foil helix instead

>>53597249
>>53597268

Jesus christ, at least my ink treader tech tried

3x Bring to Light
4x Expedite
2x Gods Willing
4x Path to Exile
4x Slip Through Space
3x Swell of Growth
1x Act of Treason
1x Rite of Replication

4x Ink-Treader Nephilim
4x Birds of Paradise
2x Monastery Mentor
4x Nivmagus Elemental
3x Young Pyromancer

2x City of Brass
4x Forbidden Orchard
4x Mana Confluence
4x Reflecting Pool
3x Forest
1x Island
1x Mountain
2x Plains

Lands aren't perfect but I was on a budget

So a long time in standard I played a deck I enjoyed centered around swinging with Delver and Serra Avenger, and I liked the way it played. Any way to make that viable at a Modern FNM?

We're not talking full-on competitive here of course.

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>>53590797
Robots get all the coolest shit

>>53597429
Swinging with Delver? Sure.
Swing with Serra Avenger... not so sure. Not being able to cast it until turn 4 is pretty bad unless you can cheat it into play.

>>53597429
if you want delver and serra that bad you can just take the BU prowess deck and add them in

>>53597583
whoops meant UW

>>53597429
Death's Shadow is probably the Delverest very good deck out.

If you want to brew the secret hot new Delver of Secrets is Bone Picker.

>>53597563
I've always felt that was received wisdom to a degree, and playing D&T for a while didn't especially change that sense. Avenger only seems like it'd feel bad unless you have no T1-3 plays, and in that case Avenger itself's not so much the problem as the fact that you're playing a deck with no early game.

>>53597719
It's still just a 3/3 that can't attack until turn 5, with no ability that matters all that much (it isn't taxing your opponent). Against a deck that wants to go long, that's nothing. Against a deck that wants to go fast, it's too slow.

In contrast, delver can be hitting for 3 as soon as turn 2.

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Does anybody play U/R delver/bluemoon anymore?
Maybe the deck is shit idk but i´ve been playing a delver version with pic related and its actually pretty good.

What are you guys´ thoughts on this deck?

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What's the best counter to Eldrazi Tron?

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>>53598338

>>53598338
rev for 15

>>53598753
haha meme!

>>53598338
Play tron.

At least then if they're on eldrazi tron, it will be a fair match up

>>53595531
I just mean that if you are drawing the whole deck via infinite mana Blue Suns, why play out a Lab Man when you could draw a bounce spell and recast Blue Suns?
Agreed though that it could use another Echoing Truths or similar card.

Also the Storm Crows are just a deadmeme joke, they aren't actually real sideboard slots.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/evolved-stompy/

It's this fag again. Phyrexian Obliterator and Prey Upon wombo combo wasn't worth the slots. The janky Amonkhet dudes were cut for... other janky Amonkhet dudes.

Considering trimming Aspect of Hydra and some 3-drops for Lightning Bolt, which would also necessitate putting in more stomping grounds, which risks making Magus of the Moon counter-productive.

>>53598338
blood moon, LD, mono-u tron

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This guy is moving in on the wet hole that you're currently using. What do you do?

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>>53599299
the hole im using has first strike, seems kind of dumb

>>53598129

I love that shit. Hope to build it in paper some day. I actually like bedlam reveler a lot in it, it ends up being cheap and refilling your hand if you've run out of things

>>53599354
I currently play
4x Delver
4x Snapcaster
4x Enigma drake
2x Cryptic serpernt

Might try to swap the serpents for bedlams but the serpents actually fit really well and a 6/5 for 2U is just too good to pass up desu.

>>53598129
>play 3 mana big guy
>opponent cracks a fetch and trades a 1 mana removal spell for it
>swings with their 9/9 Death's Shadow
>"gg, game 2?"

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>>53599613
The plan is to have a counter for the removal but yeah, the it might be to slow being 3 mana and all. but i really like U/R and young pyro and the likes is so fucking boring to play.

>>53599735
Look at bone picker, it might be a cool thing if you want to brew a delver-ish U/X deck :)

>>53580534
>Jund
>T3
Bloodbraid elf when?

>>53599735
Drake is a powerful card without a doubt, I had 2 in a thoughtscour/looting pyromancer deck, and during topdeck wars he can carry a lot of weight.
Fucker consistently gets 10+ power though, quite nuts

>>53599735
>Young Peezy
>Boring

Pick one.

>>53599888
>checked
Never tho.

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>>53599299
Let's see how he likes being throw in a Cage.

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>>53599613
>pitch a cantrips to Modern Force of Will
>Drake gets bigger and swings for lethal
>"gg, game 2?"

I can play this game all day.

what's the best CoCo deck at the moment?

>>53600223
Abzan with devoted druid combo.

>>53600223
Counters Company.

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>>53600210
>Suddenly, out of nowhere

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>>53599299
K. I block...? Why are you swinging with an electromancer? And on turn 3?

>>53600256
thats the silliest name ever

>>53600423
You havent had your turn 3 yet.

>>53600551
I didn't come up with the name, but that's what it's called.

Should we be concerned that death shadow is 16% of the meta and collected company is 10% of the meta as of the last two weeks?

>>53600631
That's still fairly diverse. This is one of the more monotonous modern seasons, but it's better than it could be.

>>53600631
By what measure?

>>53600631
If the DCI wasn't retarded you could expect them say no, they're fairly new decks and dont appear to be tier 0. But who the hell knows really, look at the shit they did with cat.

>>53600631
Incorrect

https://www.mainphasemtg.net/modern-tier-list/2017/5/29/modern-tiered-list-weekly-update-and-analysis-for-52917

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>>53600563
Ok. So then I cast wail, put a token on to the field, then cast Ugin turn 3.

But, no,seriously why are you attacking with an electromancer?

>>53600795
believe he's referring to this:

http://mtgtop8.com/format?f=MO&meta=54

>>53600819
>But, no,seriously why are you attacking with an electromancer?
Into an empty field you often will, never know if those 2 points of dmg might matter.

>>53600700
Cat ban was necessary for Standard. However, it revealed that they also needed to ban Marvel.

>>53600949
Huh, I would have thought you hold him back to prevent shit like condemn or whatever. Has the 2 points ever really mattered for storm?

>>53600981
Standard is just in a dumb spot right now. The power level is so absurdly low that anything even remotely good is insane in it.

>>53601044
For lucidity, there is no storm in my meta. It's mostly affinity, burn, soul sisters oddly enough, and some decent enough homebrews. I'm the lone Tron player, as it should be, but also play burn and belcher. It preforms as well as you would imagine, but it's fun as hell. Great for kitchen table magic

>>53600827
>>53600827
Top8 has shitty deck nomenclature and often lumps different decks together under the same name which results in wacky meta shares. It's hardly a good source and I'm still baffled people use it

>>53601053
Yep, turn 4 spin2win the game is only cleanly answered by a counterspell from gearhulk control, which is disfavored against everything else. And manglehorn is the only other possible answer that can actually prevent turn 4 Ulamog, and it requires a second card to actually destroy the thing.

>>53601167
>UrzaTron is one deck archetype

>>53601119
>homebrews
Do you see any good ink-treader decks?

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>>53601217
That meme is too dank for normies

>>53601217
There are none dude, I'm sorry. Doing all of these is inherently unreliable: Ramp 4 colors and/or cheat into play. Get targets. Start slinging spells.

>>53601373
We know. We all know

>>53601044
it has, sometimes you need that two points if you're going off and you find yourself unable to grapeshot for the full amount

also matters if you're killing with empty and can only make so many goblins

>>53601667
Good to know if I ever come across it. But for a goblin that weilds electricity, it sure hates bolts

>>53601217
Try EDH, seriously. Also, Modern is the most narrow eternal format where there really is no place for Johnny who's dead set on a specific card or interaction.

>>53602118
>Modern is the most narrow eternal format
so narrow it might not even exist!

>>53602222
>Dem quads tho

>>53602238
but for real though, modern isnt an eternal format

>>53602314
That non-rotating / eternal divide is only for autists.

>>53602338
wut

>>53602366
What part of that did you find confusing?

>>53602395
I mean either a format is eternal as no cards will rotate or its not eternal and cards will rotate

I dont see how seeing the divide is for autists.

I said what because im probably interpreting what you wrote wrong.

>>53602432
Eternal formats are technically defined as formats that allow all cards with a standard back that aren't silver bordered (Vintage and Legacy).

Modern is technically defined as a non-rotating format, not an eternal format.

Like I said, the divide is only for autists.

>>53602475
but modern rotates

>>53602504
No, it doesn't. Now you're trolling.

>>53602529
Okay okay, modern will become basically indiscernible from legacy, and then it will change its cut off

>>53602529
dude, 8E through kamigawa rotates out in september

>>53602562
Not as long as they don't reprint Legacy staples into Standard, which they will never do.

>>53602588
modern will become like legacy not because of the names of specific cards but because eventually modern will come to a cross roads where either they continue to reprint the same card over and over and limit design space and stale the format or they will stop reprinting modern staples and then modern will pick up legacys accessibility issues.

>>53602686
>continue to reprint the same card over and over and limit design space and stale the format
New cards are printed in Standard.

In any event, Modern becoming 'like' Legacy isn't a reason to rotate it. You sound like a Frontier-fag.

>>53602746
>New cards are printed in Standard.
No shit. But they still continue to reprint the modern staples even if its in a masters set.

>Modern becoming 'like' Legacy isn't a reason to rotate it.
It really has to. Otherwise its just legacy 2.0. with a different first legal set.

>>53602831
>No shit. But they still continue to reprint the modern staples even if its in a masters set.
Yes. And?
>Otherwise its just legacy 2.0. with a different first legal set.
So?

>>53602853
>Yes. And?
Then it will stale the format, might as well just have a modern core set

>So?
Why would you want a legacy 2.0?

>>53602912
>Then it will stale the format
Except you still have new cards entering from Standard.
>Why would you want a legacy 2.0
Because I want a format where I can play my deck forever that doesn't have the Reserved List issue.

Modern is not going to rotate, no matter what you say.

>>53602955
>Modern is not going to rotate, no matter what you say.
Until it does. Also Pro Tour ban era was artifical meta rotation.

>>53602992
>Until it does.
It won't.
>Also Pro Tour ban era was artifical meta rotation
The Modern Pro Tours are gone. Nothing is banned more often than something is banned, and even decks that get a banning are usually still viable.

>>53603009
>even decks that get a banning are usually still viable.
They wanted to completely kill dredge, but they failed. Usually they are either want to completely kill the entire deck or get rid of card that's too prevalent.

>>53603073
>They wanted to completely kill dredge
If they wanted to completey kill dredge, they could just ban all dredge cards. Another B&R has come and gone, yet no more bannings.
>Usually they are either want to completely kill the entire deck
Wrong.
>get rid of card that's too prevalent.
Sort of. They get rid of cards that reduce format diversity.

Here's a shocking recommendation: if you want a format that changes a lot, play Standard.

>>53602831
I think you fail to understand the reason Modern exists. It's supposed to be Legacy Lite.

>>53603170
Modern will be rotated, just you wait.

Video for reference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGrfhsxxmdE

>>53603721
More like Legacy Accessable™

but eventually time passes and the cards you need are in random 50 year olds boxes in their basement

>>53603737
It won't. If they rotate Modern, Modern dies.

>>53603825
Maybe rotated is the wrong word.

They will adjust the cut off.

>>53603852
Same effect. If you wholesale ban people's decks, they'll leave.

>>53603873
maybe

but if you want the format to still be accessible you have to keep modern............modern

>>53603908
It is still accessible. They reprint staple cards, and they're getting better at it.

Changing the cut off violates the promise of Modern and would erode confidence in the format. Why would anyone buy in to a supposedly eternal format that changes its cutoff? You'd be better off playing Standard where the rotation is at least predictable.

>>53604007
and what will happen when people need a card from an older set that isnt recent?

its the legacy problem and its a problem with no solution

you can reprint staples, but what if the card in demand isnt?

>>53604129
>and what will happen when people need a card from an older set that isnt recent?
They buy it. This isn't rocket science.
>its the legacy problem and its a problem with no solution
Err... no.
>you can reprint staples, but what if the card in demand isnt?
The magic of the internet.

A card that is in demand will go up in price. A card that goes up in price is a likely target for a reprint.

>>53604129
then wotc should reprint the card cause absolutely nothing modern legal is on the no-reprint and they're jews that love money

better question, why are you faking being a retard? it's convincing, but as someone who faked being retarded for seven years i've gotta say it's lacking

>>53604483
well what was your trick?

Is it ideal now to run two Path to Exile/Deflecting Palm mainboard in Burn? Seems like the format is just huge creatures like Deaths Shadow, Goyf, Reality Smasher etc., Path can push early creatures through a fat goyf that would just block. Like maybe they play it instead of removing a Guide thinking theres no way itll get through then you Path game 1 and it catches them off guard and also saves you a turn of getting smacked by a massive Goyf. Deflecting Palm is the same thing except reactive and can steal a win off an unsuspecting Shadow player, it can be an absolute blow out sometimes and mainboard nobody will expect it. Any thoughts?

>>53604871
If you were to run either two Path or two Palm mainboard which would you guys choose?

>>53604898
Well playing against Burn, I'd rather see you play Path than Palm, so probably Palm.

>>53605043
What are you on?

>>53605078
3, maybe 4 lands

>>53605078
Affinity.

>>53583184
Oh, people are going to their local game stores to open Gatecrash for shocklands?

Retard

>>53605246
and yet, here we are

anyone wanna play on cockatrice?

>>53583184
This. Why do so many retards not realize that the sign of a large and growing card game is that the cards themselves arent dirt cheap. The quickest way to crash a game is to print shit into the ground like Konami does with Yu Gi Oh and YGO isnt even the worst example, Force of Will is the best example as its completely dead in the States due to the atrociously large print runs. No game store wants to hold singles of it or buy any of the product because they lose value when they do massive reprint sets like FoW does. At the end of the day Local Game Stores need to make a profit to keep the doors open and Magics stable market and valuable cards helps promote that.

>>53606598
Except FoW isn't dead. I thought it was but the guys that work at my lgs said it is pretty popular and will do fine. I like buying 4-5 boxes and getting everything I need from a set. A store not selling singles doesn't mean the game is dead. Store's still have to pay for the packs they crack, all they do with games like FoW is save that money that could be lost opening junk boxes.

How is wb tokens not super well positioned in the meta right now

>>53607456
Isn't the problem with b/w tokens not so much that it's "bad" but that it's just not as good as BGx?

>>53580861
I am a richfag that plays Legacy and I don't buy foils. Unless it's got really good art that can't come in anything but foil, like promo cards and full art cards. I would never fully pimp out a deck unironically, the warping annoys me too much and the foiling process most cards use makes the art harder to see.

>>53607456
>How is [durdly deck that's not blue] not super well positioned in the meta right now
Tron, Eldrazi, Eldrazi Tron, the list could go on...

>>53607564
It's not like blue durdly decks are good either.

>>53607532
Most times yea but the meta is so focused on disruption and one and one removal that making 3- 4 tokens out of a card seems like real value

>>53607786
UW Control is T1 because it actually has some defense against Karn that's not just "Thoughtseize it and pray".

>>53607532
Honestly the reason is that no one is trying to play it. No one wants to venture out of the established top tier to try anything. No one wants a new meta.

>tfw you get academy ruin + engineered explosive locked
let me play something you ass hole fuck

>Playing?
Jund
>Brewing?
DnT
>Hating?
Dredge.
>Metagame thoughts?
I wish blue was allowed to be good. I don't even consider myself a blue-fag, but a decent blue control list making tier one would likely help Jund's position in the meta.

>>53608250
DS Jund is already falling off in favor of grixis jund.

>>53608262
*DS grixis

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>>53608250
>brewing DnT
lmk if u need advice senpai im your guy

>>53608262
>>53608269
>implying I play DS
I just want to play midrange, fair decks, not this unfair shit where a 9/9 is a one-drop

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>>53608382
I bet you think goyf is fair though. Creatures just get more efficient over time, deal with it. DS is the new jund, it's as fair.

>>53608350
I already play it in Legacy so I've got the basics down, but I'm wondering if I should add black or red or stay mono-white

>>53608409
>creatures keep getting better and better
>IT'S STILL AS FAIR
I don't think it works like that. If the creatures in the deck get better, the deck gets better. There's a reason old Jund is dead.

>>53608719
But just because the creature is slightly more efficient doesn't mean the deck is now unfair. You still have the ability to interactive with and react to what your opponent is doing. Methods of dealing with goyf still deal with DS. If you think DS is unfair but not goyf it's purely cognitive dissonance, they're just big beaters you remove or lose to in a few hits.

>>53608751
Graveyard hate to hit goyf is way more common than lifegain that targets players for DS. This argument makes no sense anyways because they don't play DS or Goyf they play DS and Goyf.

>>53608409
Fair enough, though I'd make the argument that Goyf is far more fair than DS. I just don't like DS to be honest, never have, even since before it was a deck.

Maybe I'll just play UW control if I want a good control-midrange deck that I can win with

>>53608783
And DS gets hit by dying to direct damage. They're not the exact same card, but they have very similar strengths. There's nothing unfair about DS that isn't unfair about goyf. If you think your opponent having a creature that's bigger than your is unfair, then look in the mirror jund player, you've been playing an unfair deck for years.

>>53608817
There are degrees of unfairness. It's possible that Goyf is acceptably unfair but Death's Shadow is too unfair.

That said I don't really mind either card. DS is a great deck but it's not really broken or stopping your from playing a million other decks.

>>53604871
I wouldn't say ideal, but deflecting palm is better imo since it still causes damage.

>>53604898
Palm. Path doesn't fit the gameplan and helps opponents throw out things that will change their clock on you. Doesn't matter if Goyf is still alive if you toss lethal or close to it back at them on their combat phase.

>>53606664
Its 100% dead, just because a few stubborn weebs cling to it doesnt mean its alive.

>>53608719
Deaths Shadow was printed 7 years ago

>>53586124

GB Elves can win outside of combat, Merfolk can attack land bases better though. Take your pick.

>>53606664
>>53609744
Why would LGS ever tell you that some game is dead, when they still have the product on sale.

"Oh you want to buy that? You shouldn't, that game is dead."

>>53610372
Because they are regular people? They talk shit about YGO all day and it's more popular than FoW.

>>53609744
>source: my ass

>>53608213
Play interaction or actually good decks that can ignore a slow gimmick like that.