Modern General

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FREE STONEFORGE

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>>53537808

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Stop net decking.

>>53538015
Come at me scrublord.

>>53537368
>Playing?
Burn

>Brewing?
Literally everything I can think of. I spend at least two hours every night brewing on Xmage

>Hating?
Salty Asian pricks who get butthurt when my white border Lightning bolts make their fully foiled out DSJ deck eat dick.

>Metagame thoughts?
Too many retards who buy flavour of the week decks without knowing how to properly pilot them or innovate and tweak their decks. Netdecking is good, and you should do it often, but holy fuck people you do not need to play the exact same deck that [insert pro player name] played, you need to pull the deck apart and tune it to your meta.

>>53538077
>you need to pull the deck apart and tune it to your meta.
Sounds funny coming from a burn player. What spicy tech you running bro?

>>53538015
Is net decking really that a bad thing? Don't decks evolve and diverge when people experiment on a successful deck?

>>53538116
A one of Lathnu Hellion in the main and a playset of Nacatls in the side.

>>53538164
That's so spicy it's vital to space travel.

>>53538137
No It is good, the problem is that you have retarded mouthbreathers on reddit who exclusively netdeck what won the most recent GP or whatever and leads to the abysmal 13% Death's Shadow Meta we have now.
This is the exact same shit that got Twin banned.

>>53538137
No, des is just retarded. He claims to have 75% win rate against net decks at FNM (lol), yet hates nets decks? That doesnt make any sense, he should like that people net deck because he is apparently destroying them. Net deckers also forfeit the mystery of their deck for game one. You see a card, you know what they are playing.

>>53538137
>Is net decking really that a bad thing?
No.
>>53538226
Des doesn't even know how Affinity works.

>>53538222
>>53538226
Should I try making a deck around Ravenous Intruder and Atog with cantrip artifacts, or a deck revolving around Impact Tremors and Reckless Fireweaver with artifact creatures?

>>53538279
Or should I not even bother?

>>53538279
Make a self mill deck centered around Approach of the 2nd Sun and Phyrexian Unlife.

Yo I've been crushing all the netdeckers at my local weeklies with Ponza. Deck seems real good right now and you can play all kinds of spice with all that mana so no one can accuse you of netdecking.

>>53538259
I just think hes a salty poor fag. I dont think he can afford cards. He also assumes that net decker means you are also an asshole + cheater and he says that they always say when they lose "I should have won, I paid more for my deck" which i doubt lol

>>53538329
But by playing Ponza you are Netdecking. Its a established archetype so it has to be a netdeck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-deckpaste/gordon-ramsay-4/

tier 0 incoming

>>53538356
But what if I'm playing Jund Ponza?

Des probably thinks Aaron Rodgers is better than Tom Brady?

>>53538393
That's a combination of two netdecks, you double netdecker

Nigger should be wordfiltered to netdecker IMO

>>53538435
Well I'm not playing that but I have been brewing this abomination
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/moon-worship/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzLohQmc7O0

Don't bother watching the video, it's garbage. Look at the top comment from Jeff Hoogland instead.

>>53538755
not a fan of hoogland, he's a piece of shit, but he is right

>>53538755
>I'll save everyone the clicks:


Jeff Hoogland (19 hours ago)

You know what's bad for the game? People like you attacking other people for playing Magic in a way you do not like.

TCGs are great because they are a lot of things to a lot of different people. If you enjoy being different and doing your own thing, that is great. Enjoy it.

Don't attack people for wanting to focus on playing the game well instead of building their own decks though. If there isn't enough diversity when people are playing the best decks that is WOTC's fault for designing a crappy format. Not the fault of people who want to play optimal decklists.

>>53538435
Everyone type in the thread: Anon is a stupid netdecker!

>>53538755
>boohoogland actually says something worthwhile
Color me surprised

>>53538755
>Oh let's all hold hands and get along. WRONG. Net decking is ruining the game. Not calling people out for it is called enabling. Screw these toxic players. They have no place in the community.
lol

>>53538847
>If you want to see how you are wrong then I suggest this equation; Des' Video + Brain = Why you are stupid

These videos always make me laugh, how can people actually listen to this shit and take it seriously.

>>53538755
this faggot just hates competitive magic that he can't win because he wants to be a special snowflake

>>53538279
play pauper, where those decks can be competitive

>>53538279
Both of those are basically just Pauper decks and aren't explosive enough as an aggro deck in modern

>>53538755
Boohoo earned a little bit of respect from me

Is Thooth and Nail a good competitive deck?

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What combo deck in Modern has the most lines of play? I've been thinking about building one as my next deck, but so far goldfishing them feels like doing about the same thing every time.

>>53538164
Lathnu is pretty solid. 3 mana for 8 potential damage. Hes a bit more resilent then Ball Lightning. Have you tried Shard Volley?

>>53539801
Probably one of the CoCo/Duskwatch Recruiter decks.

>tfw no pod

>>53539789
It's okay. I feel it's best when T&N is used as an "oops I win" button in a more standard G(r) Devotion list. It's certainly a deck people won't really be expecting and can almost feel a little bit like a janky abzan coco at times where you beat down then just happen on your combo and win on the spot.

It's not great though, just to be sure you understand that.

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What's your playmat, /tg/

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>>53540574
I just use the one from the most recent event I went to.

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>>53539801
have you tried pic related? i feel like it has many different lines, depending on your criteria for difference. the game plan will always revolve around putting a huge creature into play, but within that realm, there are tons of ways to get there and then assemble a win from there. even while you are going off with grisel and chaining shoals, there are usually several paths you can take and the number of options available gets pretty large when you have 30 cards in hand.

>>53540574
jesper is so dope

>>53540609

whats that masterpiece?

>>53540691
Aether Vial.

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>>53540574

I've been thinking about getting a new one. I'll probably grab this or some other background from tsutomu nihei, run it through waifu2x and send it to a chinaman to make it

>>53540663
>have you tried pic related
Not yet. It does look interesting, but it's also oddly expensive and I worry about a deck that leans heavily on the graveyard with Dredge running around in Tier 1.

>>53538755
>>53538847
Thanks for this, looks like the comment has been deleted now or something. I would guess that Des finally got salty enough about people thumbing up the comment and thumbing down his video that he lost it.

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>>53539801

Any list running coco really. Elves catches a lot of people off guard, especially when you chord in a shaman for lethal. Vizier druid deck seems to have a lot of different lines. You can beat down with finks, go infinite with life or mana into ballista or spawnsire for spagniscience

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Any tips for good synergies with this? Currently building a Golgari deck with a ton of discard, but finding it hard to get the speed in for rush.

Usually I can get this out as a 4/4 by turn 2 but I'm thinking perhaps Undergrowth Scavenger may be a better option despite its higher cost and lack of trample and Mill.

I'll post up my full deckle tomorrow

So when are these threads bringing back the $$$$ COMPETITIVE $$$$ titles? All these shitbrews are obnoxious and what's even worse is that people are replying to them.

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>>53541731
Also tfw I can't afford goyfs

>>53541731
>I'll post up my full deckle tomorrow
don't bother it's trash

you can thank me for saving your time later

>>53541731
Well the staple discard spells in Modern are red (cathartic reunion and faithless looting).

There's always One With Nothing ;)

Other cards that seem to fit the strategy in your colors are Boneyard Wurm, Grim Flayer, and Varolz, the Scar-Striped.

>>53541947
Thanks anon I needed reassurance

>>53541860
Better than custom-card fags at least.

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>>53540574
I got this put onto a mat by Inked. It looks slick and occaisionally a fellow metalhead will recognize what it actually is.

>>53541970
Currently I'm running Commune With the Gods, Mulch and Satyr Wayfinders.

I looked at Grim Flayer before and it looks like it would work well, Varolz seems a little redundant though but I'll see if I have any in my folders

>>53542024
SPLIT YOUR LUNGS WITH BLOOD AND THUNDER

>>53542007

Both deserve their own threads, but if we don't specify that this thread is for competitive modern discussion only, it just opens the fucking floodgates for timmies, johnnies and shitters in general.

>>53542132
I don't like obvious shitposting (like that dude that keeps spamming that ink-treader list), but I don't really have a problem with people posting brews if they are serious about it. I don't think clogging up /tg/ with multiple threads for Modern is a good thing.

>>53542024
hey baby

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>>53540574
The best

>>53542586
>punch all bears

>>53542174

How would there be multiple threads about modern? There'd be only one (the dedicated competitive modern thread). One would be for homebrews for any format, and the other would be the custom card containment zone.

>>53542174
If they were at all serious about their brews they'd have enough honesty to tell that they aren't viable. Not saying that all brews that are posted are trash but the vast majority are.

also what >>53542937 said

>>53542937
I don't see that happening.

>>53543074

I'd love to hear your reasoning on why brewers/kitchen tablers and custom card retards wouldn't have an incentive to create their own threads when their (you) supply gets cut off by people ignoring them in a competitive thread. There just needs to be a disclaimer in the OP saying to not reply to them.

>>53543172
>their (you) supply gets cut off by people ignoring them in a competitive thread
Because that doesn't happen.
>There just needs to be a disclaimer in the OP saying to not reply to them.
No matter how often we tell people not to reply to shitters, they reply anyway. You can't win.

I wish Inferno Titan had Haste instead of firebreathing

>>53542086
WHEN YOU SEE THE WHITE WHALE

>>53545157
BREAK YOUR BACKS AND CRACK YOUR OARS MEN

>>53538137
It's not the worst thing ever the issue is that no body does anything different. People just settle on a "best" set of decks and don't deviate. Playing magic is more fun when more decks are around it's why modern was great for a while. Killing Twin raped that format to what it is now. Ill just stick to legacy for now.

>>53545257
IF YOU WISH TO PREVAIL!

>>53545390
>Killing Twin raped that format to what it is now
One where the top 8 of events are extremely diverse?

>not at a point in my life where i can play mtg
>probably people able to play in about a year after finishing school, getting a decent job, and having some money in the bank

>>53545832
tfw all you can do is watch

>>53545832
Define Decent
I'm a fucking janitor at McDonalds living paycheck to paycheck and I'm able to play MtG competitively.

>>53545832
>>53546169
Just play online?

>>53545832
I work a part time job in semi-fast food while going to school. I'm able to put away maybe $50 a month on everything that isn't essential and I'm still able to play mtg with expensive decks.

You gotta get serious about it.

>>53545832
>>53546169
just make friends with someone that has multiple modern decks and ask to borrow one jeezeus

>>53546293
>>53546330
well i dont have a job so i cant spend money i dont have
>>53546396
yeah just show up to a lgs and say hey bro can i borrow a deck

>>53546315
mtgo isnt free

>year of our Lord 2017
>burn players not running 2-3 thunderous wrath mainboard
Gitgud

>>53546756
They always end up in my opening hand, or I draw them on a turn when I want to hold up mana. Pretty shitty feel yo.
Modern Fireblast reprint when?

>>53546956
I've been slowly cutting back the number of Bonfires in my Ponza list for this reason, down to just 1 now. They seem dope on paper but rarely are in practice.

is there a deck that uses fling in modern?

I've been trying to get my friend into modern and he said his favorite game play was killing people by attacking with a fat clickslither and then flinging it at people. any ideas or should I just try to sell him on something else?

>>53547416
You could try porting something like an INN/RTR gruul aggro list to modern.

>>53538755

>my tortellinis are done

lmaooo

>>53540574
Animar, and I've got a SCG Donkey Young Pyromancer that I won at pre-release as my mousepad

>>53546293
What deck/decks do you play?

>>53547898
McFlurry machine is down and a deck related to flipping cards

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>>53546571
>using mtgo

>>53548296
whats the other alternative?

>>53548409
xMage or Cockatrice.
I personally use xMage because it's more user friendly.

>>53547898
Burn is my main deck, but I've been building Tron and Affinity.

>>53548502
>building Tron
Stop, stop right fucking now

>>53548581
Not that anon, but if I wanted to make no one angry while also being competitive, what deck should I build? Jund, Abzan, Burn, Grixis Delver?

>>53548673
>>53548581
I was just listing examples, by the way.

I borrow WG Hatebears and RW Prison, by the way.

>>53548673
You're always going to make someone angry, a lot of people are just sore losers.
Hell, I play Norin Sisters and I have people tell me all the time that Ajani is a cancer card.

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>>53548581
Blow me, salty jundnetdecker

>>53549077
Pure Jund isn't even a valid netdeck anymore.
Go suck off Karn, tronfag

>>53549092
I'm real sorry that you can't play your Samurai Tribal deck in modern, but getting angry at someone for playing Tron will not make your deck not bad.
If it makes you feel better, I'm gonna build Titanshift after I finish building Tron and Affinity.

>>53548843
>>53548581
>>53548673

In my group, nobody seems to hate classic Jund, but my group also has over half the decks either be some sort of Tron or RW Emrakul deck.

>>53549152
>projecting this hard
Keep trying, bud

>>53549347
>n-no my deck isn't shit, you're a big dumb poo poo head.
Sorry kiddo, but if you can't beat tron, your deck is shit.

>>53542024
>>53542086
>>53545157
>>53545257
Jesus Christ Mastodon fans are faggots.

>>53549379
>if your deck has a bad matchup it's shit

How's that burn?

>>53549427
People who only listen to Blood and Thunder are not Mastodon fans

went 4-0 with storm in a local tournament last night

INTERACTION AND TRONFAGS GOT BTFO'D

>>53549813
Doesnt storm die to disruption ?
I play temur delver and it's like my easiest match up

>>53549379
So because I say something is unfair and bullshit to the format I must not be able to beat it?
Man, your reading comprehension isn't the best, is it?

Question for a long time player (a very long time of legacy play and kitchen table and about 1.5-2 years playing standard and sealed formats); how vital is land removal in modern? I just built a my first real viable modern recently and I built a pretty versatile removal sideboard minus land removal. Should I at least buy a few Ghost Quarters as a cheap sideboard option when needed?

>>53550083
>tron is unfair
>literally doesn't do shit for the first 3 turns
just play more lightning bolts you fucking scrub
Having Tron in the format is Vital in order to keep degenerate blue durdle garbage out.

>>53550067

actually no, martin's list from gp copenhagen (which is what i played) was set up so that it didn't care about hate in the post sideboard games. one game i got tks'd into tks plus they surgicaled my manamorphose and i still demolished them

>>53550219
Tron or not durdle decks are unplayable in modern. Taking tron out only means decks slower than it can exist, not that counterspell.dec becomes a thing.

>>53550219
>doesn't do shit for the first 3 turns
Oh yeah, except set up the pieces to drop a turn 4 Ulamog or Ugin.
I bet you'd also be the type of person to say Living End does nothing for the first 3 turns.

>/tg/ is complaining about tron AGAIN

just play storm or burn or ad nauseum, they can literally never beat those decks

>>53550204
Land destruction can be a good counter to Tron and Valakut, and is also useful against decks like Lantern that abuse Academy Ruins. Depending on your colors there should be better options than Ghost Quarter, though.

>>53550204
Which deck?

>>53550726
My winrate vs Ad Nauseam with Tron is like 75%, take that how you will.

>>53551086
So you play bad players? Okay.

>>53538755
I can't even formulate a rational comment to explain why these two are BOTH morons, but they are.

Chose one:
Buy playable cards for a lot of money and be netdecker
or
Buy cards that you never saw a play on tournament but still have sick prices (im looking at you glimpse the unthinkable) and faggots form 4chan will not say you are netdecker

Bought a deck recently. What are the best/easiest ways to check for fakes that won't ruin the cards?

>>53552293
Light test.
You should be ae to see the blue core clearly, like the card is transparent under light.
The shade under the light's dot should be white with some blue spots for the ckre. A yellowish light means it is fake.

>>53552293
If you can compare it to one that you know is real, check for obvious printing problems. Do the light test. If all of that passes, even if it's fake no one else is going to catch it at a tournament so it's real enough.

>>53551699


Why do people treat being a netdecker as something bad?

Any zoo players here? Thinking of converting burn but a little hesitant since burn is ez mode

>>53552293
Many ways:
-Light test ("bluish"color, no divisions, and constant brightness to the entire card (from top to bottom). => (All Mirrodin, Darksteel and Fifth Dawn have "brownish"color, which sometimes makes people think they are fake, you can check by comparing it with a regular common from the same set (happens a lot when people buy into Affinity)
-Texture (use a normal common and check if the "feeling" of the cards are identical)
-Reflection (just see if the cards reflects the same quantity of light as a regular one
-Check if there are any blurs that aren't supposed or letter that were suppose to be blurry but arent (the white TM in the back of the cards, saw some fakes that had that non-blurred/high resolution)
-Check if the black borders aren't perfect-black (usually you can see when you aim any light source to the card (check the front borders))

But if you want to be completely sure, buy a magnifying glass (like jewelers glass) and check the ink pattern.

has anyone ever run fakes in a tournament here or at an fnm? any stories of people who have?

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>>53554080
Cards leaked.

So.... Grixis Tron?

>>53554300
It's shit and off-curve compared to Ugin and Karn, so no.

>>53554300
More like oath of nissa tron
It doesn't sound as reliable as Gx tron

>>53553952
I play Zoo is the technical sense as I own a Zoo deck (With some pieces lacking but enough that it can be played), but I haven't had the chance to start playing Modern yet.

Burn is a much better deck than Zoo, yes.

>>53551699
I just bring an aggressive netdeck to finish matches quickly then ask my opponent if they want to play against my latest brew to kill time between rounds. Usually get some good feedback on my brews and people who want muh gp practice still get a tiered match

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I have never looked at the price of Doubling Season until just now.
>mfw I used to be a Selesnyafag during Ravnica
>mfw these have just been sitting in my binder untouched

>>53555642
They honestly shouldn't be anywhere near as expensive as they are, but everyone and their mother needs one for their Really Cool Ultra Fun EDH Deck™

>>53555642
Trade them for cards that see play in Modern.

>>53555746
>not playing Doubling Season in Modern

>>53555741
>>53555746
Oh I didn't know it was an EDH card. It seemed oddly slow for modern, but I figured there was some obscure deck I didn't know about that used it or something.

>>53555775
No deck uses it.

>>53555781
Technically there is an obscure deck that uses: http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=13367

I've never seen anyone play it, either in RL or on footage, and I've never seen it in metagame stats.

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Reminder that this deck if it were legal, would be stronger than normal ad nauseam combo; that is how busted the eldrazi were.

>>53556531
k

>>53556531
Yes Eldrazi were a mistake, everyone knows thins
No one actually cares because the deck is banned
Ad Nauseam isn't even that good of a deck.
KYS

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Don't mind me ;^)

i cant get xmage to finish downloading the card images

everyone is blocking me lmao

>>53557119
>Tap out to wrath
>Give your opponent not one, but TWO turns to play something that will fuck you over
Even if you play it on 5 and hold up a counter, it's still not worth it. I like the design though, hopefully if there's a cycle one of them will be busted.

>>53557192
How many cards are you missing? I'm missing somewhere around 700 cards but the all seem to be from the retarded Star Wars set that is included on the program for whatever stupid reason.

>>53557405
like 550

the worst part is that i can click one, it looks like its downloads it all, and then says "lol i didnt download anything, 550 again bro"

>>53557481
Don't fucking worry then those 500 are probably obscure Promos and the Star Wars set. Maybe some Tokens. Nothing of value is lost.

>>53557590
still though, do you think i will be unblocked tomorrow?

>>53557625
Maybe? Does it really matter though? You don't plan on playing with Admrial Ackbar anytime soon do you?

>>53557666
Idk id just feel better if it was completed.

Im in the deck editor and all the symbols are {U} for the blue symbol, that might have something to do with the download

>>53557330
If your tapping out for this on turn 3 chances are your opponent dumped most of their hand in which case it's worth it.

I've never played against Tron or Death's Shadow. I play Spirits. Aside from Ceremonious Rejection, how do I deal with them?

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>>53540574

>>53558177
If you're Bant Spirits, white gives you access to Stony Silence against Tron. Against Death's Shadow, rest in peace does some work. Of course, those are both non-creature spells.

When will wizards unban second sunrise? That deck did nothing wrong.

>>53558975
Never, and it knows what it did.

>>53558975
Hopefully never
Eggs is a gay deck

>>53558653
What about Gx Tron? They only run Expedition Map. Stony hates on a few Eldrazi Tron cards, but for Gx Tron my only idea is to fling counterspells.
Also would having 1x Supreme Verdict in the sideboard be ok since I have Selfless Spirit?

>>53559436
>they only run expedition map
Turning off map is brutal. Also o-stone.

>>53559816
I also forgot the Chromatic eggs. I think some builds run those for cantripping and to help them run green spells without a Forest. Maybe I'll swap out Kataki for Stony.

>new Bolas costs 7 mana
>You can make that from Tron + Cascading Cataracts
IT'S TIME BOIS

>>53560088
>adding another land that you need to naturally draw or fetch for a planeswalker that isn't much better than Karn
ayy lmao

>>53560133
>tfw casting Karns for free with Bolas
Thanks, Tron players. I promise not to damage it too much while it's on my field.

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>>53560186
>use Bolas' ability on Affinity
>get a Memnite

>>53560217
>use Bolas other ability
>exile everything left in their hand

>>53560236
>Affinity
>having cards in hand by the time Bolas comes down
I keked.

>>53560133
>>53560088
>>53560186
Why not Oath of Nissa to avoid mana problems? It acts like a weaker Ancient Stirrings that also allows you to cast Bolas with any mana you want.

I still question Bolas as a choice, though.

Is Twoo the voice of our generation?

>>53560685
Twoo is a fucking moron so basically yes

>>53561248
Sup des

>>53561157
No, because Embalmer's Tools reduces the cost of activated abilities, not triggered abilities or casting costs.
Now, if you were to activate Reassembling Skeleton's ability, it would only cost B instead of 1B because it's an activated ability of a creature card in the graveyard. Dread Wanderer would also cost 1B instead of 2B thanks to Embalmer's Tools, or to B if two of them are out.

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>>53558653

I like to bring pic related against tron, but my LGS is full of monoU Tron

>>53561304
I realized after I posted that I'm retarded, but thank you for the helpful response.

I've had a pet skeleton deck I've been trying to make for god knows how long. I'm thinking embalmers tools will help a lot.

I know it will pair well with reassembling, sanitarium skeleton, and champion of stray souls.

>>53560685
I've never paid any attention to him, so no clue.

>>53561354
>my LGS is full of monoU Tron
I'm so, so sorry for you.

>>53561527

It's alright. Most people there are turbospikes and the decks are usually quite diverse, but when they don't really want to think they bring tron

Someone lent it to me once. It was awful

>>53551102
You literally can't be bad piloting a+b. Tron has lots of answers to AN combo pieces and manarocks and they don't have the suspend 2 Lotus Blooms turn 4 nuts often enough.

Has anyone here ever actually gotten enough Planeswalker points to get a bye at a GP?

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Never built a Modern deck before because the buy-in price for staples and especially fetchlands is so overwhelming.

I've got every colorless rare Eldrazi from Gatewatch 4x, they're my favourite tribe and I love how the small colorless dudes play.
Can I make a budget janky deck from those that would at least be able to play decently against "decent" Modern decks?

>>53562504
You could try to build the colorless Eldrazi decks from Eldrazi Winter, just without Eye of Ugin (or Chalice of the Void if budget is your problem). It won't be nearly as good, but who knows?

http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/ptogw/top-8-decklists-2016-02-06

>>53562504
Eldrazi Tron is the deck for you
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/tier-1-modern/769015-colorless-eldrazi-tron
Getting those Chalice of the Void might be a bit expensive though.

>>53562504
Eldrazi & Taxes is on the cheaper side of good decks.

is dredge playable with a semi-budget manabase?

I can probably get the shocks and a few of the expensive lands but not the entire thing atm.

I want to fuck Mistbind Clique

>>53563522
Some builds of dredge use rainbow-lands, so I would think so.

>>53563546
I don't think that's physically possible.

>>53563565
No good ever came from those who did not try

Is Archangel Avacyn good enough as a one-drop in Jeskai Midrange? What about a one-of Torrential Gearhulk?

>>53563546
why not Vendilion?

>>53563713
if you could play her on one i would

>>53563731
Well what about as a one-of instead? I think she would be good in a list with Geist, as a finisher or as a way to protect Geist from Supreme Verdict or Anger

>>53563776
why wouldn't they just supreme verdict on curve

avacyn sucks

>>53562628
>>53562889
>>53563255
Thanks, I'll look into it. Chalice is quite the investment for me, but I suppose 100 bucks for an alright Modern deck using cards I actually like is a bargain.

Does anyone still bother with PPTQs even though there aren't Modern PTs anymore?

is counters company better than splinter twin?

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>>53563859
>tfw held on to three chalices since the mirrodin days when they weren't good

>tfw sold a binder full of bulk rares for $20 that would have easily been worth over $700 today.

>>53560685
He did something somewhat questionable but people overblew his opinion as if he was an anti-semite. The way he was treated was indicative of how fucking hard it is to have any sort of conversation in today's society about difficulty topics - you bring anything up that would trigger people and you're a godless fascist no questions.

That being said, he is an attention whore and really bad at the game. He can't even make good decisions how how to update his deck that he pioneered. All he's really done is come up with ridiculous and inefficient iterations of the deck, which I guess is useful to some people but I can't imagine who.

>>53566142
Considering Splinter Twin doesn't exist anymore, every deck is better than Splinter Twin.

If you're asking if Counters Company is like Splinter Twin used to be only more so, no.

>>53566209
This is why you don't sell bulk cards.

>>53566211

To be fair he's pretty good at drafting.

>>53566211
>2nd at gp with what was a randy bobandy deck at the time
>28 pro points
hes no reid duke but come on, give credit where its due

>>53566279
>>53566387
Well, what drafts and content I saw when he was on CFB were pretty terrible. But if he's good then fine, he's good, my mind can be changed about that.

But anybody willing to make a video about a retard like Desolator even if just to tell everyone to not bring attention to Desolator is just as fucking stupid as Desolator.

>>53566462
Hey, anyone who talks shit about Des can't be all bad.

>>53566387
No joke, I took that "Standard Delver" jank list to a FNM and crushed it.

https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-return-of-standard-delver/

Stratus Walk on an Honored Heirarch. Fucking nutty. Literally the most fun I've ever had playing magic.

>>53566462
I could watch twoo troll des all day. fuck des and fuck the packers

Which community hates Des more, Standard or Modern players?

>>53566543
modern if i had to guess, there decks cost more and thus have a higher chance of NET DECKING

>>53566586
If I remember right though, Des did say once that netdecking in Modern was less wrong than doing in in Standard.

Of course, he also proposed ways to "fix" Modern that would ban every deck that everyone has.

>>53566209
If you were satisfied with the sale back then then there's no reason to feel bad about missing out now. If you were NOT satisfied with the sale back then then you're just an idiot.

No reason to feel bad that something that, completely out of your control, appreciated in value.

Nobody could have guessed the game would grow such that it has to increase demand and therefore prices nor thought that Wizards would refuse to reprint in response to that demand.

Quite frankly, if you told people ten years ago that the game would be a complete dumpster fire financially that had NOTHING to do with the game, they wouldn't believe you. Nobody would think the company would be that retarded. Except all companies are that retarded and now that the company has been shown that players will pay obscene prices for this game, they will exploit it, to the detriment of the game.

>>53566618
how expensive is the best standard deck? ive been out of the game for a while so i dont know

>>53566714
About $270 (Temur Aetherworks Marvel).

I don't play Standard at all, but I like to watch the PTs.

>>53566740
thats not that terrible but i suppose the costs of standard are well hidden

>>53566775
There are other Standard decks that are $300+

Of course, the issue with Standard is that it rotates. Your $270 deck that's good now will literally be unplayable in a matter of months.

>>53566800
exactly, i wish it rotated slower

was thoughtseize ever banned? i thought people were super pissed about it

>>53566818
They actually tried to make it rotate faster, but they reversed it when people started leaving. From a viewer perspective, I liked it faster, but I could see why people flipped their shit.
>>53566836
No, thoughtseize is still around. People being pissed about a card isn't a reason to ban it.

>>53566818
I think If they just had a slightly bigger card pool, like making it so there would always be 7 sets in standard at any given time, a lot of problems would be fixed.

>>53566818
it did used to rotate slower when we had 3 set blocks

>>53566875
wow its down to 2 sets, i stopped playing a little after champions of japan came out

>>53566889
Yeah, blocks are 2 sets and there's no core set.

>>53566896
why did they change that

>>53566907
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mm/metamorphosis

Basically, the core set wasn't really a good product for anyone.

>>53566932
I agree that the core set wasn't too great for anyone. That being said, fixing the problem is like trimming the hedges when there's a drought on.

Every time these idiots come up with a solution for something relatively meaningless I just think about all the overarching problems they have regarding card prices.

>>53566932
how am i supposed to get my wrath of gods now

>>53563776
play Spell Queller or Boros Charm

>>53560685
>>53566211
>>53566462
Literally Who? Is he as controversial as MTGHeadquarters, and is MTGHeadquarters as bad as I heard he was?

>>53567064
You never heard of Travis Woo?

Hes the guy that read my struggle and then learned too much and got suspended indefinitely from cfb

>>53567043
They actually did try to help with card prices by creating the masterpiece series, though they still kept in mythic rares which is a problem imo.

>>53567151
The masterpieces were "helping" as like spitting into a thirsty man's cup.

>>53567064
He was a content creator for channelfireball. he made the deck living end popular by placing well with it at a GP back when it was considered a miserable fucking joke.

He used to stream regularly and one time he tried to dialogue with his viewers about nazis. He mentioned he had read mein kampf and said "you know lets play devil's advocate here, the actions of the Nazis really made sense if you consider them from the perspective of the nazis." and the internet quickly crucified him for having illegal thoughts.

>>53567125
>>53567236

So are you saying Travis Woo is """red pilled (tm)""", or was he a victim of outrage culture?

To prevent this from going into a /pol/itical realm, I'm going to ask which MTG youtubers are considered good. TolarianCommunityCollege? MTGGoldfish? ChannelFireball? MTGOAcademy? Just listing things off the top of my head since I'm a hick who listens to mostly my local meta, which might explain why less-played decks tend to have better chances at first in our group.

>>53567258
He never went full pol, he just dared to say that the "bad guys have their own side of the story and probably didn't see themselves as the bad guys" and people got bent way the fuck out of shape over it.

>>53567258
I watch CFB and TCC.

He didn't go full /pol/, he said the holocaust happened and that it was bad but he wanted to know why they did it. I said stuff like he understood that why the germans were upset. But then he said the jews were smart and that they control the media. That of course isnt a lie in any stretch of the imagination but people get butthurt about it. Theres a difference between saying jeez 1.4% of the population own most of the media corporations and 1.4% of the population own the media corporations and are part of some evil cabal to conquer the world etc etc

>>53567214
I mean, there is only so much that they can do. They print standard sets on demand and they need to make a profit.

>>53567284
Still wondered if he could've chosen a slightly less villainous and politicized group that existed prior to the 19th century to avoid triggering the shitstorm engine.

Still, who is a good YouTuber for MtG?

>>53567349
lsv reid and guccimane post vids for cfb

i dont know how people cant watch it

>>53567349
The Professor. He has his issues, but in general he's good.

>>53567381
The Prof is hard to support after some of his politics stuff, but I still like him due to his love of UB Faeries, even though I think his list is bad.

>>53567284

That's a fucking retarded thing to say. Obviously the nazi's "didn't see themselves as the bad guys". What a fucking child. Of course they didn't. Nobody sees themselves as "the bad guys".

Just because the Nazi's didn't think they were the bad guys, doesn't make them not the bad guys. The terms good guys and bad guys are usually wrong to use, but in the case of WW2 the Nazi's were wrong. Now, obviously today with SJW shit getting crazy and the left, people think nazi is some sort of white people safe space. In reality, most modern day "nazis" have autism and would be rounded up by 1940's real nazi's. Like goddamn, I'm all for checking muslim immigration in western countries, but I'm not a fucking nazi. Only a legitimate retard could like the nazis while being american. That's why that guy should rightly be banned. Its like saying HURR THE ORCS IN LOTR PROBS DIDNT THINK THEY WERE BAD. Nigger so what?

It's really not so much his *questionable* political viewpoint, it's the fact that from a logical standpoint its fucking retarded. Also, its a fucking MTG video thing and that kind of BS is so incredibly off topic, im glad his ass got fired.


(not to go on a political rant but people are fucking stupid wow)

>>53567448
what politics stuff? all i know about him is that he believes that weed should be legalized

>>53560685
Twoo is a patronizing attention whore
He didn't deserve the Hitler controversy one bit, but there's plenty of other reasons to dislike him.
He does give good advice sometimes, it's a lot to sift through though.

Nikachu is the better Travis - doesn't beat around the bush, is not an attention whore and gives good spikey advice. Of course he's also an asshole and can be too dismissive+condescending of opinions he disagrees with.

>>53566462
I can't muster the effort to watch Desolator regularly because the guy is so inconsistent.
Talks out of his ass more than anyone else,
regularly contradicts himself, has a major ego only topped by Chavis Wew

MTG HQ, I hate watching/listening to him talk - he can't present anything worth a fuck. I am utterly amazed he had any popularity at all.
He is a humble and sincere guy though, talks decent community topics.

MTG Goldfish experimental deck demos are nice, but outside of that the main guy who talks actually drives me to close the tab more than any other.

Tolarian Community College Professor is comfy, and consistently decent. As main stream as it gets with the least possible cringe.

The Mana Source has a fucking idiot for a host who only has shit to say that everyonoe already knows, somehow even when it comes to preview cards which I understand he frequently gets handed out for being a good politically correct drone. The very few opinions he gives that actually seem to be uniquely his own are also asinine.

GG Degree is basically a shitty fusion of Nikachu and the Tolarian Academy Professor except adding a bunch of smug. A little goodness from each at least.

MTG Lion can't assess the competitive viability of a card worth a fuck, the most useless opinions around in this respect.
Like Desolator however he offers decent anecdotal experience.

Rudy, Alpha Investments is the best. You either hate him or love him and those who love him understand why.
Those who hate him tend to be poorfags + those who play with fakes.

>>53567337
>>53567454
>>53567465

It is not a smart idea to play devil's advocate with Nazis while also saying a fact that is often targeted with appeals to consequences. There could be unfortunate implications. Nonetheless I still think we should give people a little benefit of the doubt before exploding lest /pol/ starts welcoming in people to the fold and give then /pol/itical norovirus.

Is Travis Woo any good at deckbuilding?

>>53567381
>>53567448
Should I be informed about these issues, or should you just tell me what to avoid so I don't sully my judgement with vexing but ultimately irrelevant facts?

>>53567454
he said it while streaming

of course, nazi are the bad guys, the allies won the war

>>53567465
To say something nice about Desolator Magic,
when he's tolerable his pretty comfy.
Also gives amusing anecdotes.

>>53567475
>Is Travis Woo any good at deckbuilding?
Hes an all around well above average player

>>53567475
I don't think Twoo is much good at deckbuilding.
He's just very highly practiced as a player.
Definitely not as smart as he thinks he is,
which is partly why he got in trouble in the first place.

>des thinks samut will be good

lol get me outta here

>>53567485

another logical fallacy

>>53567616
how so?

>>53567604
In what format?

>>53567675
standard

>white is my favorite mtg color
>its the worst
JUST

>>53567935
That's not how you spell blue

Plus, we're getting sfm soon, brother

>>53568178
Keep dreaming that dream anon.
>>53537870

>>53567465
Desolator is just hilarious. His videos are enjoyable when drunk because they are a laughfest. Hes completely wrong on just about everything although occasionally he says something correct like how Marvel was a mistake.

MTG HQ is solid. I like his Fat Pack videos and I like that he tries to help the community like when a Store got robbed he organized a Patron site to help them. Hes knowledgable about the game too for the most part.

SaffronOlive is super fucking annoying and is extremely misleading. "Yes goy buy Seances and other cards for shitbrews I used to win uncompetitive leagues". He acts like hes winning SCG Opens with these terrible decks and its misleading to people who just glance at the decklist and want something cheap because the decks are completely non competitive so its just a waste of money.

TCC is probably the best content creator for MTG. He does great product reviews and his deck techs are solid. Its strange that he comes off as a complete casual but ends up knowing way more about the competitive meta and what cards are good.

Wedge from The Mana Source is such a fucking hack. He comes off as such an idiot and his videos are the equivalent of MtG clickbait. "TOP TEN MTG CARDS!" "YOU WONT BELIEVE WHAT MARK ROSEWATER JUST SAID!"
Hes super irritating to listen to and he has no idea about whats competitive and whats not. His opinions on formats and cards in general are laughably wrong too.

GG Degree I actually enjoy. His videos have a high production value and he knows what hes talking about. He is basically a more niche Professor.

MTG Lion is awful. An autist of the highest degree. Id go as far as to say hes far worse then Desolator Magic. At least Des is entertaining, Lion is just boring, dull, and unentertaining on top of being a completely inept dumbass.

Rudy is autistic. I dont care if he makes poorfags salty. Hes an irritating idiot who is cringe because he tries to act like a 4chan meme. Only has a few informative videos

>Playing?
Esper Shadow

>Brewing?
Polymorph looks fun but not good

>Hating?
Honestly, not much. I love where Modern is at the moment. Too happy to complain.

>Metagame Thoughts?
See above.

>>53567935
>faeries are my favorite mtg tribe
>wizards refuses to support them anymore

>>53568739
>acting like modern faeries isnt a thing

>>53568766
>acting like Shadowmoor wasn't nine years ago

>>53568739
Wizards is scared that if they actually print another good faerie they will break the tribe and they will overtake Eldrazi as the best tribe

>>53567643

history is written by the victors is exaggerated. many times the "victorious" side examines itself and realizes the cost was too great, that it fucked up. its not always that the winning side totally shits on the losing side too. you're totally oversimlifying the war

the nazis weren't bad because they lost and USA wasnt good just because they won

nazis, imperial japanese, traitorious italians were definitely evil and to be stopped

granted the every day soldier is just following orders, but its fucked up, many of them did fucked up shit like work in concentration camps

not to say the allies didnt do bad shit (firebombing) but for many reasons by and large the western powers were the "good guys" in WW2. soviet russia was barbaric but mostly defending itself, and comitted atrocities too


tl;dr: the victorious side can comitt atrocities and feel guilty too, don't oversimplify war just because you're a simpleton with nazi sympathies. nazis were the fucking bad guys, its fedora tier philosophy to imply its just perspective, no nigger fuck you

>>53569135
Don't you have a Potato Famine to whitewash you fucking crumpet?
Just kidding, I agree. History needs to be examined with reasonable doubt, but no amount of "Y-you too!" is going to dull the atrocities committed by a certain side. There are lines that most wouldn't cross, and for good reason.

>>53569048
>Eldrazi
>Not Goblins
What is considered WotC's "pet" tribe? Merfolk with all of its lords? Goblins with how iconic and common they were?

>>53569240
Recently it feels like warriors, at least in standard.
After trying to push them in Khans they've kept shoving them down peoples throats instead of just making them knights or soldiers that already had support.

>>53569284
The weird thing is that they're also trying to shift them to the opposite color they should be. So they want a white fightman tribal, but they don't want soldiers cause... Soldiers are bad?

>>53569135
>me saying that the victor writes the history books means im a nazi or nazi supporter
come on man

but take a look at the native american genocide

america won that 'conflict', but when people think of america, they dont go "genocidal people". you learn about it sure, but you dont bat an eye. yeah i get it, some died to disease and shit but it still happened. And while i dont think there is some evil cabal behind this, i just think its human nature to suppress the bad (or make excuses for it) so I have no problem believing that a fascist government would either attempt to explain away the holocaust or cover it up. Dead people dont tell stories

when people think of germany they think of beer and hitler

people today dont even care about what the commies did, we got kids at school waving hammer and sickle around because the west didnt beat communism in any truly meaningful way

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I miss cards like this. He was one of my first rares, and theres even a classic Magic commercial around him. Do you think its ok to run him as a one of in Titanshift? Its actually possible to get him out in that deck.

>>53569610
damn man i remember this guy

had him in the clear pack wrapper and everything

i remember that commercial as well

>>53569622
We are making him Modern playable. He doesnt die to most removal except Path. He laughs at Supreme Verdict and he mows through opposing Lingering Souls.

>>53569622
Turn 1 Suspend Search
Turn 2 Farseek
Turn 3 Cast Search
Turn 4 Rhox

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Lingering Souls big brother. Good luck getting that Deaths Shadow through all these Bats.

>>53563522
The most important lands are the fetches (cheapest on color are mire+foothills) so your Bloodghasts are immune to Surgical and you can return Amalgams at your opponent's eot.
>>53563548
Rainbows aren't played for budget reasons, they're there to make your turn 1-2 colors work as often as possible.

>>53567064
>is MTGHeadquarters as bad as I heard he was?
No. Jeremy is just a shitposter who does unboxing videos. Unless you're some prissy cuck who buys into SJW horse shit, the content that MTGHQ does is entirely inoffensive.

Unban probe

I miss Infect

>>53570001
I miss when Death's shadow was a gimmicky combo deck and not an ultra consistent beatdown machine.

>>53566932
And lack of a core set is contributing to one of the most un-fun Standards of all time along with only 2 sets per block.

>>53567046
They hadn't printed Wrath of God in a core set since like 2010.

>>53569240
Spirits.

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FREE MY PEOPLE
LET MY PEOPLE GO

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>>53570635

nice propaganda

if your people looked that good they wouldn't be banned in the first place

No ask the judge thread so I will ask here instead.

>I am on Bant Spirits
>An opponent taps out for an instant or sorcery
>I have Rattlechains and Mausoleum Wanderer in hand as well as mana open to cast them

Is it possible, in response to the opponent's spell, to flash in Rattlechains and THEN flash in Mauseleum Wanderer to counter the spell?

>>53571186

As long as they resolve and enter the battlefield normally, you should be able to hold priority and do that, if I'm correct

>>53571186
Yes

When your opponent passes priority to you to resolve his spell, you cast Rattlechains. After it resolves, you both have to pass priority to resolve his spell again, and then you have a chance to cast Wanderer.

>>53571216
That's what I wanted to confirm, thanks

>>53571209
Wanderer doesn't have flash naturally, so no. You need Rattlechains to resolve first before you can cast Wanderer.
>>53571186
>>53571216
>>53571249
It should be noted that doing this will mean that you won't be able to give Wanderer hexproof from Rattlechains.

>>53571307
I am aware of that. I was also generally aware the play is available - and have done it myself. What I needed to confirm is how it is justified mechanically.

Hexproof in that scenario is not too big a deal since there's so little free interaction in modern.

>>53571443
You could also sac Wanderer in response to whatever they tried to target it with, assuming they target it after it resolves. Just pointing it out.

>>53571470
I know. The amount of fun things spirits can do is staggering - easily one of my favourite decks. Managed to steal two FNMs with it too - though ofc it doesn't mean much.

It needs just a little something to push it over the top.

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Is everyone ready for another of my super scientific, patent-pending polls? If so, you're in luck. If not, too bad so sad.

The topic of this weekend is about pimping out your deck. Whether that means foils, masterpieces, judge promos, rare editions, whatever. Sometimes people just say that Modern simply isn't expensive enough.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13094890

>>53545792
>diverse
>no blue interaction, tempo or control
Fuck off, Maro.

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blocks your path

>>53572835
You're tapped though

>>53572806
>Lantern Control in GP Coppenhagen top 8
>Esper Control and Jeskai Control in GP Kobe top 8
>b-b-but muh tier 1 Legacy decks aren't tier 1 in Modern
This is why nobody likes you. Go back to your corner of shame.

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>>53572835
ayy lmao

>>53572806
>m-muh blue
>*jerks off to rule 63 Jace furiously*
Fuck off blue faggot

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>>53540574
Melbourne GP 2014 playmat, Kinda annoyed I didn't get it signed by Adam Paquette when he was at the GP.

I also play rdw/burn

>>53573603
>implying he even bothers to gender-swap
He just faps to the actual card.

>>53573682
>>53573603
>>53572872
Stompy players, please go back to Standard.

>>53573814
>pointing out that blue-fags are shitters makes you a Stompy
Keep crying, your tears are delicious.

Currently brewing a janky ass life-gain/drain deck that revolves around Blood Artist, Athreos, and zero cost 0/0's, and probably Enduring Renewal.

Play style goes as such.
>T2 Blood Artist
>T3 Athreos
>T4 Enduring Renewal
>Play 0 cost 0/0's for free, use mana to play more blood artists/Zulaport Cutthroats.

The athreos gives me inevitability. They opt to either lose on the spot or take a lightning bolt to the chest. And as long as I'm drawing cards I'm not running out of gas.

>>53573814
Not those guys, what's wrong with stompy

>>53573902
As long as you recognize that it is indeed janky.

>>53573936
To blue-fags, linear aggro decks are for babies. That Stompy is cheap and not very competitive is probably part of the insult as well.

>>53569610
My first foil rare

>>53569610
It's possible to get him out, sure, but what are you cutting to put him in? Rhox would act as an alternate wincon that doesn't contribute to your game plan (and can be pathed before it does anything).

>rhox commercial
>play me, im unblockable!
ehhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>53573814
Stompy is leagues better then blue decks cuck

>copied some tcc deck on xmage
>afraid to play vs real opponents cuz i know zero of the cards and dont wanna get btfo

>>53577410
What deck is it?

>>53575064
I dont know probably the single Wood Elves/Oracle of Mul Daya. I know hes not good but im nostalgic for the card.

>>53577654
the blue white midrange he posted a few days ago

im retardedly in love with the color white, first strike, and angels

>>53572806
>no tempo
Clearly you have never played Spirits.
Literally everything that deck plays is tempo

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>>53572835
>he has two death shadows out attacking me

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>2 UW control in the store today
>Get paired against both
>squeeze a draw on the first one, lose on the second

Jesus christ.

>>53579526
What were you playing?

>Briar Bear14 hours ago
>i had a guy get mad at me for shuffling his deck at an fnm. he claimed it put more wear and tear on his cards. lol. he was using cheap ultra pro sleeves, and one split while i was shuffling, he got super mad at me. it was hilarious.

shit like this makes me fucking mad, you broke his shit after he told you not to shuffle so roughly and you think its fucking funny?

>>53579704
Where did you get "so roughly"?
It sounds like he got made that the guy shuffled at all.

>>53579577

UW Spirits. I'm still waiting for some cards to arrive to finally turn it into bant, and as it is right now I'm not fast enough against UW nor I can win in a slow, grindy matchup

>>53579741
>It sounds like he got mad that the guy shuffled at all.
this is mtg we are talking about

>>53579789
I always feel like I got away with something I shouldn't have when I win a slow, grindy matchup with Affinity.

>>53579741
>>53579820
probably should explain this better

its mtg, shuffling is part of the game, only a new player would think to cheat like this, and he has sleeves and cares about card quality so i doubt thats the case.

Further more, assuming that he actually did get mad at him for shuffling (which is so completely out there that the poster is either mistaken or lying) its not an excuse to break his things

>>53579898
and there are definitely people who shuffle like they are doing the bend test every time they riffle

Ruination would save Modern

>>53579704
Fuck neckbeards

>>53579989
unban the stupid combo pieces

introduce force of will to modern

>>53580031
How about you kill yourself instead legacuck?

>>53579989
It would save it from being fun.
>>53580031
>>53557153

>>53580023
>please dont break my shit
>fuck you pal ill do what i want

>>53580083
Yeah im saying fuck the guy who shuffled. Theres literally no reason to shuffle someones deck at FNM just fucking cut it you paranoid losers. As long as theres nothing fishy about the way they are shuffling theres a 99% likelihood they are not cheating.

>>53580081
>being able to fight Tron is unfun
t. Tronfag

>>53580173
you say its anti tron but it hoses the entire format

>>53580173
>Tron
Practically every deck in the format uses nonbasics.