Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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First for Slaanesh!

Reminder that orks arent actually good now, its a meme

Will either Blood Angels or Space Wolves be competitive in 8th? Especially Blood Angels because of Baal Predator's ability to gun down hordes?

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>>53562660

>>53562671
marines in general have been quite quiet on the changes...

>>53562671
Blood angels seem like they're generally improved

>>53562660
>t. buttmad tau player
Calling it now, top 10 armies will be Orks and Orks only at every tournament for all of 8th edition.

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>>53562660
Reminder that Ork False Flaggers and Ork armchair generals are still faggots

>>53562671
Blood Angels were bad before so I imagine they would have gotten better.

Space Wolves will never not be good, just like Eldar.

>might get Ork vs Tyranid octarius-esque tourney fun
8th is looking great

>average of 5 mortal wounds on an infantry blob
Slowpoke here, but I just noticed how good most bombers are.

Nth for cover rules are dumb now.
>No cover saves for being obscured outside optional terrain rules.
>Infantry NEVER gets cover for being obscured, only thing close are the barricade rules

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>>53562631
Does anyone have page 125 of Imperial Index II? All the leaks I've seen don't have it.

>>53562654
Well done, brother!

O-)-c

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someone give me proof orks arent bad

Give me the fucking proof

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>>53562631
>previous taufag
>trying to get into nids probably cause he heard they might be good in 8th
>this is the new face of tyranids,
>a netlisting WAACfag who "doesnt want to get swept" convert from fucking tau
old nidfags weep

>>53562742
Wait, sitting in ruins doesn't add anything?

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ENUFF MESSIN' ABOUT, GIV IT TO ME STRAIGHT

AZ N EVIL SUNZ PLAYA

WOT FIELDS DAKKAJETZ, BIKERS, STORMBOYZ, BUGGIES, WAGONS AND HEROZ ON WARBIKEZ

OUTTA 1-10 JUST 'OW KRUMPED AM I GONNA GET?

>>53562742
>optional terrain rules
Stop with this fucking meme, no one is going to opt out of using terrain rules if they're playing Matched Play.

Points values are "optional" to if you want to be technical.

>>53562671
SW look pretty good in 8th, jump pack changes helped get a turn one charge with skyclaws. TWC are still scary too. Only thing thats really changed is CotW and it got a little nerfed.

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Does anyone have the "BINARIC REEEEEE" pic of Cawl? seem to have lost mine

>>53562762
You'z gonna be foin.

>>53562760
>20 hormagants with devours
>20 hormagants with fleshborers
I want to smack this faggot.

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>>53562760
>20 gargoyles

>>53562761
Infantry gets cover just by standing in most terrain. They dont have to worry about being obscured or not. Vehicles and monsters have to actually be 50% covered.

>>53562762

>DAKKAJETZ
Unknown, but I hear the bommerz are really good
>BIKERS
Got better
>STORMBOYZ
Got way better
>BUGGIES
Better I believe
>WAGONS
Not bad but expensive now
>HEROZ ON WARBIKEZ
Still good

Focus on boyz over toyz and you'll do a lot better this edition

Raiders get Dizzy Cannons or Lances now?

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So how are Chaos vehicles now like their Predator?

Also, can Havocs put enough damage on a walker or monstrous creature to incapacitate it in a single volley?

For that matter, how much better is the Defiler now?

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>>53562761
This is 100% of the core cover rules.

>>53562767
Even if everyone agrees to use them, infantry still only receive cover by being inside it. Not by being obscured in any form.

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>>53562772
I got you fellow Magos.

>>53562757
I'm working on a bunch of math for orks, I'll post it within the next few days, keep an eye on these threads.
In the mean time, go back and read all the detailed posts about how much better they are from the last thread.

>>53562834
Yes.

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>>53562760
>hormaganys with devours

There is so much wrong with that I weep

>>53562832
Dakkajetz are also pretty good, but nothing to write to gork about.

>>53562844
The power scourge got a nice buff.

>>53562743
The one between Jokaero and Custodian Guard? I haven't seen it either.

>>53562760
>horma-gants with guns
>20 gargoyles

>>53562844
I think the Defiler is generally improved. while it's more expensive, it's also a lot more durable thanks to the vehicle changes, and having the Battle Cannon not be Ordnance makes all of its other equipment more valuable to have.

I'm upset you can't give it double-havoc launchers anymore, but it is nice to have the default gun not make the rest of the loadout pointless

So when does Guardsman Marbo get rules?

>>53562791
NOICE

>>53562832
Y'know Dakkajetz impress me the most, i like the sound of 18 shots hitting on 4's with s5 and -1 AP, they don't cost that much and will help thin down the hoards of bodies people will put in front of their characters

>Getting back in with 8th.
>Going to do a 'seige' marine chapter.

Time to use whirlwinds.

>>53562900
Codex!

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>>53562762
>Dakkajets & Stormboyz
Pic related

>>53562760
IG artillery would have fun at least.

>>53562847
That's intentional.

Weapons like Bolters, Shuriken Catapults and Pulse Rifles that used to completely blow away 5+ saves no longer do, so now cover isn't as necessary for light armoured troops. Likewise, AP 3 weapons that used to melt MEQs are now AP -2, so they still get 5+ saves against those as well.

On the other hand, MEQ in cover are now at a 2+ save, so it would be ridiculous if they got that anytime their foot was partially obscured by the corner of a building.

If you want to take cover now, you can very easily, just get inside the terrain feature. There's no more difficult terrain slowing you down.

>>53562900
shadow war

>>53562877

How much use will it be if the Defiler charges something like a Knight or a Naut?

>>53562847
Huh. Weird. I guess I'll have actual cover now despite most of my group's terrain being tupperware.

>>53562922
Thankz boi.

I reckon Zagstruk will be a lot more useful now, making Stormboyz fearless and being pretty strong in a fight too. finally get to use his model again.

even though he's a Goff. Ah well Klan rules ain't real yet

>>53562844
It's more expensive and has less options, can't load it with dccws for attacks anymore. Because of the changes to shooting it is now much better as a gun plataform

>>53562762
Dakkajetz are still pretty solid, but they have to stick around on the tabletop for a few turns to make their points back reliably
Blitza Bommers, on the other hand, now instantly delete a squad on the first turn
Bikers a lil more expensive, but significantly tougher and shootier than before
Stormboyz are actually priced perfectly for once, they're a great choice if you like your boyz to be reliable
Buggies have become better, too, thanks to reliable outflanking, better shooting, tougher profiles, and the ability to charge and do okay in melee (at least against typically squishy backfield units)
Wagons are a little pricy now, but have a boatload of wounds. Keep them cheap and they'll still serve you well.
Heroes on warbikes, especially a big mek w/ kff, will make a fine escort for your vehicles
I'd say you'll do fine

>>53562943
Not very, considering it's got 3 attacks only.

>>53562879
Curses. I really want to know if there's any keywords for Custodes that let them Deep Strike. Its loss is a pretty huge blow considering our transports are well over 300 points.

In 7th we rolled a single die to scatter and even our Contemptors could DS. Now our mobility is pretty crippled if we can't do so.

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>Love all the chaos gods equally
>Hate chaos undivided though
>Can't decide which army to build in 8e

Send help

>>53562772
Because Cawl was around when the Emperor was alive, was programmed and or given the knowledge and told to keep it? We know Ad Mech can do a form of Necron immortality, where if they die their conscious is sent to another body. He revived Girlyman only because the Eldar made a deal with the Emperor 10,000 years ago to do it. As for new Dreads; simple. Hereteks who upgraded Dreads in their spare time and were killed for it had their shit stored and Cawl had access to it?

I hope its easy to remove the purity seals/other stuff from the Primaris models. I want the new big boys to look fresh and clean.

>>53563018
One of each! You don't want to miss all the fun playing only one army, do you?

t. GW sales rep

Is there nowhere to get White Dwarf on this thread anymore? The link where it used to be has been dead for a few weeks now.

Power fist is worse than a thunder hammer for the same points for non characters is there really any reason not to tool up for a thunder hammer unless you can't take it? For some reason a Stern guard veteran sarge can't take one.

Evicerator is also on the same tier

>>53563018
go godless

So how did Guilliman make it through the Cicatrix to Baal, and back? Isn't the northern half of the galaxy cut off? How does the Cicatrix interact with the Tyranids' shadow in the warp?

I really don't get the Baal story works.

>>53563018
why do you hate undivided anon?

>>53563051
not even the writes does, anon. just accept it

>>53563018
The only answer is one army of each

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>>53562958
>Zagstruk
Yeah, but in your list you have to have them be Goffs. Luckily when it comes to Klans it's not WYSIWYG, so your sunz can be painted however as long as on your list they're given the Goff keyword.

>>53563062
*writer
>>53563065
Hello, fellow GW sales rep! Have you converted many people to the hobby with this new edition?

>>53562760
What the fuck did this guy not even read the difference between units? Fucking god dammit i aint even an old nid fag i started last year and this still pisses me off.

Lads; are special characters being killed off and replaced with Primaris Special Characters or are they being 'upgraded' to Primaris Marines; which I heard is an ability now?

>>53563084
>Freebooters aren't a thing

>>53563054
Hard to put in words honestly

I prefer a specialized army rather than a balanced one? If you know what I mean.

>Iron Hands don't get a single mention in the Imperium books
>Their home world is gone from the map
squatted

>>53563105
I hope that old sculpts like Dante and He'Stan get updates to be truescale when they in lore get "Primarisified" so they don't look like manlets next to chadmarines.

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>>53562654
based slanny

>>53563051

I hope Guilliman can make it back to Ultramar in time.

I think it's said Nurgle has sent three of his chosen commanders to lay siege to that realm.

Of those three, I wonder does that mean it's Typhus, Mortarian and that Great Unclean One character whose name escapes me right now.

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>Just found out recaster is making his own Kasrkin using plastic Scions and FW Cadian Hostile Environment Upgrade Kits.
Holy shit it's the answer to my prayers, thank you based Chinaman.

>>53563131
Dante getting killed off and reborn would make more sense. Ala the prophecy. I dunno what's fucking going on with this edition. So it IS a thing that Space Marines can be turned into Primaris Marines via SCIENCE?

>>53563144
I heard someone say their name is Ka'gash but the only one I know is Ku'gath

>cannot field a full custodes detachment
>custodes cannot deep strike anymore
>custodes cannot parry anymore
>custodes are not fearless anymore
why even live

>>53562743
>>53562879
>>53563008

I have it and it's all mine!!!!
can't post it from work, it doesn't have any rules about deep striking.

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What do Dozer Blades do in 8e?

>>53563179
Oh fuck they've made Custodians worse than Primaris Marines, have they? Fucking hell GW.

>we lost liber heresius, book of st. lucius, blessed weapon (blade of admonition), mantle of ophelia, the armor etc.
GIVE ME MY FUCKING SARISSAS

>>53562922
Does the Jump Pack keyword grant the ability to come in from Reserves, like what the Jump Pack Assault Marines says?
Or are Jump Packs just better on Marines?
Or do we just not know?

>>53562844

Predator has a pretty good autocannon (48 heavy 2d3 S7 AP-1 3D), costs 151 barebones. Tri-las is good but expensive.

Depends entirely on your rolling and the MC/walker in question. A quad-lascannon squad might be able to pull it off.

Defiler is...eh. More durable but less flexible and a lot more expensive.

>>53563051
There are two routes through it on the galaxy map. The "Temporary Rift Corridor" in the southeast and the "Nachmund Gauntlet" in the northwest.

>>53563197
maybe boost the melee attack?

Anons I am confused. Can I bring these plague dudes from the box set with my <Black Legion> army?

Specifically the pox walkers, blight drone, and the three characters.

Or do I have to be playing <Death Guard>?

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>>53563197
What do reinforced rams do?

>>53563018
Nurgle is going to have the most support in the next few months

>>53563202
jump/jet pack do exactly 0 stuff for now. maybe the codex will give us more info

Give me tier lists so I can be champion WAAC

>Lord of Skulls/Khorne things getting more attacks when wounded
>about to die
>24 Str 5 attacks
>firing gore cannon into combat

>>53563163
Yeah, but IIRC it's super expensive and is going to be reserved for making existing characters better.

>>53563202
Nope.
Maybe when they get a dex, but currently it doesn't do anything.

>>53562631
fuck off /pol/

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Where were you when 40k stopped being a setting about your dudes ?

>>53563246
500 Conscripts

>>53563197
I'm sad destroyer blades aren't a thing.

How are Dark Angels, my fellas? I've heard Ravenwing took the boot, but what about the rest?
Are they fun to play and not a punching bag?

>>53563246
This >>53563269
Get painting.

>>53563261
Explain?

it's still about whatever the fuck you wan't

>>53563223

Black Legion doesn't have any rules yet, but traditionally they have been able to take any generic Chaos unit. I guarantee when their 'dex comes around they'll be able to take Plague Marines and Blight Drones.

Not sure about the characters; but the last edition Exalted Sorcerer (who BL could take) makes me think so.

For the Warmaster, brother.

>>53563258
Huh?

>>53563246
If you were already being WAAC you probably own Eldarshit, stick with that, they're still on top tier.

Only joined now by Dark Eldar (which Ynnari WAACfags were already running as well) and possibly Nids.

Maybe Orks

>>53563261
Think I was in primary school. It's hard to remember.

>>53562760
This is what happens when you erase a faction.

>>53563160
which one?

>>53563215
Thanks!

I've got a bunch of tyranid stuff from ~2005, and 8th is making me seriously consider getting back into the game. Do we know what tyranid stuff is going to be worth using yet?

>>53563261
When I read that it was no longer about my dudes on /tg/, Whineseer and DerpaDerpa.

it seems anything with Outflank from previous edition lost it. Can anyone tell me if there is a unit out there capable of coming from the table sides?

>>53563246

Tau Fire Warrior and Fireblade spam supported by Ethereals

>>53563333
warriors, sporocysts, zoanthropes

>>53563231
Guess you're right, plus those death guard models look delicious. Love the 30k helmets on em.

>>53563261
same place i celebrated the death of smashfucker, the joy of putting out mortal wounds, and not having 10 minutes of set up for my daemons

>>53563223
You can totally bring them, but your chaos lord will only buff dudes from the same <Legion>. Fortunately WYS is NOT WYG, so you can rename your dudes in your list without repainting them.

>>53563336
Warbuggies

>>53563300
>tfw no marines mad it to cheeseville
Feels good as fuck.

>>53563336
Rough riders can, but it's just bad deep strike now.

>>53563342
I've got stacks of termagants and genestealers, are they worth it?

>>53563124
That's because they never had named ICs.

>>53563200
Relics for all armies don't show up until the codexes are released.

>>53562654
SCREAM TO BE HEARD

>>53563333
Warriors, genestealers, MELEE flyrants, hormagaunts, hive guard, all special characters, trygons... just off the top of my head.

Carnifexes are good too but will require finesse. You have to completely relearn how they operate, if you charge them into rhinos like before you will be disappointed.

>>53563368
>but it's just bad deep strike now.
It's honestly a lot better then the old reserve rules. We're just spoiled by the new deepstrike.

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>>53563286

No, not anymore.
It is about named characters running around and going on wacky adventures, making page long speeches to each other while red shirts die and after a short sword fight running to fight again another day.

It lost its uniqueness. It is your standart fantasy setting where heroes battle with villians and the entire story revolves around them. There is nothing left to say.

>>53563365
Marines will be getting their codices first, let's not celebrate too soon.

>>53563370
yes.

>>53563324
Alpharius

>>53563357
>>53563368
thanks

yeah... damn, it was my favorite USR

Totaled up my mechanized Ork collection, definitely saw some growth overall in points values, mostly from vehicles obviously. A good chunk of that came from my previously dirt cheap Looted Wagons now having to be fielded as Battlewagons.

But I noticed that Tankbustas are actually cheaper than Boyz. What in the actual fuck? Spamming Tankbustas seems too good to be true.

Some random things that annoyed me from the perspective of making my models fit to what can be run:

>Big Meks don't have the option to take a Burna anymore. So I guess that's a Kombi-Skorcha now.
>Painboys automatically come with Power Klaws and have to be upgraded to the Killsaws they're often modeled with, which is 28 points to pay for an upgraded Klaw you already paid for.
>Are...are Boss Nobs free? They aren't listed in the points value table. I'm still uncertain, I can't find it anywhere so I've assumed they are. Which is silly given the premium we pay on Nobz as a squad now.
>I have a squad of 'Ard Boyz all modeled up that have nothing to represent other than vanilla Boyz.
>Already mentioned it, but they took Looted Wagons away again. They were crap last edition but they were cheap templates, and I love conversion projects. Now I'm paying 194 points for an approximation where I was paying 74 before, and I've got a weapon that's just going to miss most of the time. I'd be better off ramming cheaper Trukks into close combat.

I'd like to be optimistic and hope that a full codex release will land within the year and expand a lot of options/rework costing on some of these vehicles, but I very much doubt that. Orks will probably stay on the shelf until then. But at least I have some room to grow my Tyranids in the meantime.

>>53563365
So far nothing is confirmed to be "cheese" levels of OP. There are still tiers but they're closer together.

>>53563144
I really don't. I want Ultramar to get fucked up considering how awful the writing for the 'Nids on Bal seems to have been.

>>53563397
True, but it would've been nice if you could get closer from outflank compared to deep strike/infiltrate.

>>53562834
Depends on what you want. DLs are a little better against the typical vehicle profiles, but Disintegrators are much better vs. infantry. Dis is probably slightly better all around. Math:

Dis:
Tank(T8 3+) 1.11 wounds
Rhino(T7 3+) 1.11 wounds
Trukk(T6 4+) 1.33 wounds
MEQ(T4 3+ 1W) 1.11 kills (ignoring damage)

DL:
Tank 1.16 wounds
Rhino 1.56 wounds
Trukk 1.56 wounds
MEQ 0.56 kills (ignoring damage)

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>>53563370

>>53563399
By that definition it was never about your dudes.

>>53563415
you have to buy rokkit launchers for those tankbustas

>>53563420
>There are still tiers but they're closer together.
b-but chaos doesn't autowin every game!
that means they're completely useless and GW is shit forever

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>>53563118

Have you considered Malice?

Oath Breakers potentially, although those are just Black Legion who are undivided not because of they worship everyone equally, but because they've been rejected by one or all of the Gods, and so lose out on all the perk that come with that.

>>53563399
>giving an actual fuck about the evolving lore

If you dont play some fringe-of-the-empire guard regiment, angry dick-ass deldar pirates or orks who dont give a fuck about primarchs and politics, you're playing 40k wrong.

>>53563415
Point costs are for the model only, you need to pay for all equipment now even the default equipment.

>>53563225
I didn't see them in the book. Might be gone since ramming isn't a thing now (or is always a thing?)

>>53563324
Not the lad you replied to but it might be alpharius from the yoymart subreddit I think he posted some shit about recasting kasrkin later this month.

>>53563160
REEEEEEEEE
https://investor.games-workshop.com/modern-slavery-act-statement/

>t. Games Workshop

>>53563261
YOU WHEN WARLORD TRAITS BECAME RANDOM? WHEN IT REQUIRED SPECIFIC SPECIAL CHARACTERS TO GET FACTION BONUS'?

WHEN THE ENTIRE GAME DEVOLVED INTO TWO THIRTY FOOT TALL EDLAR DUDES FIGHTING FOUR SHITTY LOOKING GIANT ROBOTS?

I dunno, what was that? 2013? Probably at a game store puking.

I didn't need to be worried about the paint I was putting on being too bright.
Incubi Darkness for my wyches, it was very green while wet and I was wondering if I got the right colour. Once it dried it became hard to tell from the unpainted black. The change was quite impressive.

>>53563370

Genestealers are the Genestealer Cult version with 8" move +d6" run and a 2d6" charge on top, they are scary fast. Units of 10 or more gain +1 attack per model. They also hit on 2s all the time, and are cheap at 10 points. 1 Extra point will turn that d6" extra movement into 1+d6". The issue they're going to have is getting into combat, as there is no Infiltrate anymore, which means they're running (very quickly) across the field.

Broodlords are now more of a proper HQ instead of sergeant types, not quite as good as 4e version but still pretty nice.

Who is better for the mad scientist feeling, Necrons or Orks?

>>53563437
>>53563464

Oh christ, why would they do that, I just want to build a list not do my fucking taxes.

What about the Boss Nob thing?

>>53563539
orks by a country mile

>>53563539
Orks for conversions, necrons otherwise

>>53563502
>except like half the crews of all oceanic shipping vessels are in prison/slave conditions and have no rights

I applaud the attempt.

>>53563539
Orks, but Mechanicus beats both of them.

>>53563429
DEldar isn't really hurting for anti-infantry now though.

>>53563539
Dark Eldar.

Orkz aren't really scientists, you can get the 'mad mechanic' feel but the only Ork who works with flesh is the Painboy, and he's not got much options.

if they ever bring back Cyborkz or gruntas, then maybe.

>>53563547
No one knows. I don't think you have to pay for the nob because you don't seem to have to pay for squad sergeants in any of the books.

>>53563547
>Oh christ, why would they do that
To put all the points on a few pages they can easily update. I recommend printing out your armies' points pages. Makes things a lot faster.

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>>53563433

The largely static nature of the 40k meant that whatever happened in the fluff its effects were limited in scope most of the time. There could be a gigantic battle that decided the fate of a sector but the outcome would not effect your dudes. With the new stuff like Ultrawanker returning, warp storm seperating the galaxy, new breeds of marines appearing. This is no longer possible.
I am yearning for the day 3d printing becomes affordable and home user friendly and GW closes its company. After that the ip can be bought by another company that no longer will murder fluff to make new models and sell them and focuses on crafting a better lore for the setting with a new focus on balanced play.

>>53562760
Link to the post

>>53563578

Yes but if the model comes with particular gear to begin with that can be rolled into their model cost...

>>53563349
Got it. Plague marines, khorne berserkers, rubric marines and noise marines are all in heretic astartes, but they are repeated again in the big four legion sections of chaos index.

This makes me think the entries unique in the legion sections aren't in the same faction as the heretic astartes faction. Examples are bloat drone and occult terminators.

I've been wanting to get into the actual tabletop game for a while now, but I just read the 1d4chan article on 8th ed and I'm not sure if I like what I'm hearing.

Is 8th an improvement, or is it the final nail in GW's coffin?

>>53563399
It's been like that since 2e, faggot.

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If I finish this out will it be helpful for list building? I have a movement chart already completed and I may do the weapons list too

>>53563559
True, that's a consideration. I still think either are valid choices however.

>>53563578
>To put all the points on a few pages they can easily update.

I bet you believe in Bowling Green, too. They did it to keep points away from the unit entries and broaden accessibility to the casual audience (casual for GW being old men, not kids, no kids can afford this shit). They have no intention of doing broad point replacements anytime soon, and when they do it'll be in a for purchase book, which was how they have done it for decades.

>>53562984

>Bikers a lil more expensive, but significantly tougher and shootier than before

How did Bikers get shootier by losing TL? I'd say they got better at Melee thanks to the extra wound, and it's more desirable for them to be in melee now thanks to their Dakkaguns being worse and not being able to improve their save in open terrain.

>>53563582
>I am yearning for the day 3d printing becomes affordable and home user friendly and GW closes its company. After that the ip can be bought by another company that no longer will murder fluff to make new models and sell them and focuses on crafting a better lore for the setting with a new focus on balanced play.

A company with no profit model by the sounds of it. Good luck with that. The license would get bought out bi Wizards and they would just sell a bunch of one off board games with it.

Do we have a list of what is going to be available on release day? I'm guessing the starter box and the 5 index books. What about individual boxes of primaris marines?

>>53563630
6 shots > 3 shots with rerolls

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>>53563599
Well, bloat drones are still Heretic Astartes.

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>>53563630
>How did Bikers get shootier by losing TL?

Because one twin linked gun became two guns? They shoot twice as many shots now?

>>53563513

The decline and fall can probably be attributed to the elease of 6th edition times. 2012. It is not that rulebook was at fault but ridiculous units started appearing in huge numbers at that time.
It can be said it started way earlier with the ridiculous blood angels codex and gk codex.
Fuck... so many years have passed so quickly.

>>53563600
If you want to play a game without needing to memorize a 200+ page book, it's an improvement.

It's an improvement.

>>53563582
You know the funny thing? A buttload of people wanted exactly what you complain about and have done so for years. GW already has YOUR money, so your opinion is irrelevant.

>>53563591
I think how they've done it is clearer. That stuff just costs 0. There's no need to say "this is included", "this is not included" and perhaps mess it up and assume something is free when it's not. Wargear is never included.

The only exception is single point values for special characters because everything on them is fixed now and they're easy to distinguish.

>>53563562

>Orkz aren't really scientists, you can get the 'mad mechanic' feel but the only Ork who works with flesh is the Painboy, and he's not got much options.

I don't know, haven't there been Orks who have made planet sized Shokk Attack Gunz, have installed rocket engines in another Orks head and have turned entire worlds into Rok fleets?

Plus, the way they make Killa Kans and Deff Dreads is pretty mad scientist given they're functionally mass produced cyborg walkers.

>>53563600
>but I just read the 1d4chan article
That was your first mistake. Go back.

>>53563622
That's probably a factor too.

>>53563429

Another thing to consider is TEQ, where the Dis might actually shine.

>>53563673
>The decline and fall can probably be attributed to the elease of 6th edition times.

Sixth ed was bad, but you could see the writing on the wall before then. It was the release of the Grey Knights codex that signaled the end. It was ludicrously imbalanced, introduced pure rock paper scissors army building to the game (good luck ever beating palladin spam with a blood angels or ultramarines force), and was a clear cash grab with terrible models and a bad overall concept for an army.

Then that kind of thing became the standard for every book that followed and the core rules just reinforced that the game was about randomness and narrative gameplay, not competitive. They totally abandoned the IDEA of 40k as a balanced competitive game with sixth, but they had already decided to do it before then.

>>53563675
But has it been improved mechanically? The morale rule, for instance, seems like it'd decimate units within a turn or two, and the removal of flank and rear armour on vehicles just seems like dumbing down.

>>53563582
>Posts about how the past fluff was better
>Image muses how dwelling on the past isn't good
You're sending me mixed messages anon.

>>53563622
They have explicitly said they're doing points updates at least yearly.

>>53563636

You can still sell books (both rulebooks and novels), hobby merchandise along with various board games as stated.

Hobby merchandise part is seriously the most overlooked part of this hobby. If you started selling toy chainswords you would make a lot of money for example.
But gw is not a company that can think beyond release new editions, make previous edition units useless and create new models for people to buy. Oh and whore your ip to anyone that asks.

>>53563599
The dedicated legions have specific rules and limitations on what units they can take detailed at the beginning of each legion page in the index

>>53563539

Orks and AdMech.

Orks for cobbled together, AdMech for baroque.

Necrons play with advanced science, but they don't really ever play with it for fun outside of a few choice items.

>>53563678

Gw is having less and less of my money due to the increase of quality and accessibilty of recasters. After the 3d print revolution gw will have none of it from miniature sales.

>>53563622
They literally do it for AoS already and have said they are doing the same thing for 40k.

Do Eldar & DEldar share a key word like Imperium stuff does?

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>>53562760
Would you explain this to someone who doesn't play NPCs?

>>53563747
You try that and the moral watchdogs would be all over you for selling "realistic weapons" to children.

>>53563726
>Balanced competitive game
>Uses dice rolls
Pick one and only one. Averages appear over hundreds of thousands of rolls, not the number you're going to do in a tournament. I agree that the GK Codex was a load of shit in regards to flexibility in army building, but don't pretend 40K was ever something competitive or balanced.

>>53563773
And what makes you even think this magical 3D printer that costs next to nothing will even be able to be good at that? And at that matter, why do you care about the rules if the models are all you want?

>>53563729
I have played a few test games after the leaks. The new morale and switching armor to toughness, keeps the game running at an exciting pace.

Killing the Leman Russ with a volley of bolter fire, while not just a satisfying feeling, keeps the entire army relevant. You no longer have to "call" the game when your last heavy weapon or melta guy dies.

>>53563729
>But has it been improved mechanically?

An improvement so large it's barely conceivable. 7th was barely a game at all.

> The morale rule, for instance, seems like it'd decimate units within a turn or two, and the removal of flank and rear armour on vehicles just seems like dumbing down.

Morale in previous editions did literally nothing. It's true that it's powerful now, but so are the rules armies have to mitigate them, so to maximise or prevent morale damage you have to play smart. It'll probably add a pretty significant layer of complexity for some factions.

The loss of armor facings is a loss of complexity, but with D and melta spam in the previous edition facings weren't very meaningful anyway.

A lot of the 'complexity' in 40k was never real. Things would have tons of rules that would amount to literally nothing as every single list would be built to totally mitigate it (morale) or the games mechanics themselves would make them pointless (armor saves worse than 3+, half of the damage table for vehicles, weapon skill in most scenarios, most terrain effects).

>>53563732
I don't really believe them.

>>53563777
they share Aeldari

>>53563779
Hasn't stopped airsoft from being used by kids everywhere.

>>53563812
>Kids
Aren't there laws about selling those to minors? Even fucking Nerf couldn't do that without making their guns look ridiculous.

>>53563801
>>53563800
Alright, thanks guys. I'm off to bed, to dream of Guard lists. Hopefully the new edition means I won't lose interest after ten models this time.

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>mfw people think wraithguard can still use raiders

>>53563730

>GW is rotting corpse fed by the money of thousand fat guys everyday so that it may never truly die.
>A time will come when it is toppled down and when that happens there will be a huge retcon to clear away the filth and suffering and start anew and we will forget even such a huge travesty existed before.

That is what image wanted to convey.

>>53563787
>Pick one and only one. Averages appear over hundreds of thousands of rolls, not the number you're going to do in a tournament.

An average value on d6 starts to overwhelmingly appear at like 30 rolls. You do hundreds in a tourney. Most things that are random in the game average out. Some don't (fucking random assaults being the worst rule ever conceived) but randomness is a proxy for uneven distribution of information.

Like, in starcraft you cant SEE what the opponent is doing. It's randomness by proxy because humans are constantly trying to deceive eachother. Mathematical randomness is replaced by intelligent randomness in most competitive videogames, but that is still random. You don't have a flow chart for a dudes brain, so you are just playing averages and trying to predict results. Same shit as dice rolls.

Real life sports aren't competitive by dint of the fact that the teams are never actually equal. The side with better players wins most of the time.

>>53563778
I don't know why people are talking about gargoyles but the poster got hormagaunts mixed up with termagants (i.e. getting two of the most basic units mixed up with each other)

>>53563084
Holy shit man, three runts on Badrukk with unlimited rerolls for shooting.
That's some mad pirate dakka.

>>53563812

>Airsoft Bolters

Stop, i can only get so erect.

>>53563822
Depends on the state i gues, there are lots of airsoft videos with kiddies waving around them.

>>53563853
>Real life sports aren't competitive by dint of the fact that the teams are never actually equal. The side with better players wins most of the time.
But... that's... exactly what competition is, you fucking mong.

>>53563822
You can't sell them to minors without a parent in most states. Kids can buy nerf guns off the shelf solo.

Airsoft costs 10 times as much as nerf, which is also meaningful in a court opinion.

>>53563848
And you'll promptly replace it with a horrible new one because you're idiots like that. You'd have better luck hoping that their board of directors is all struck by lightning at the same time.

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>>53563853
>The side with better players wins most of the time.

I'm thinking about returning to 40K with a friend, and we discussed buying the Dark Imperium box set and splitting the models. I was going to get the Death Guard.

Are the Death Guard competitive or will they get the nerf bat like Tzeentch?

>>53563841
I still don't know why it differentiates "incubi" from "drukhari infantry" consdiering incubi have both the drukhari and infantry tags.

>>53563722
TEQ:
Dis .44 kills
DL .15 kills .03 single wound

>>53563796

It is not about a single thing. It is about a setting in which you play a gentlemans wargame to pre-enact glorious battles of your dudes. You need lore+rules+models for that to happen.

As for the 3d printer, we would not even concieve such an idea 10 years ago. Now it is a possibility. It may not happen in 5 years or maybe 10 years but it will happen one way or another in the future unless nuclear apocalypes happens or society collapses world wide for some reason.

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So my friends decided that 800pts would be a good format for newbie games. I'm gonna take SC! and Tervigon Brood Progenitor. After taking a look at my financial resources I managed to find few more sheckles for an extra termagants/hormagaunts box but that's everything I can spend for now.
Should I rather stick with 2x 12 gants for Tervigon shenanigans or trade one unit for gaunts for more melee? They would round my list into exactly 800pts

>>53563890
Sure, shitty competition you can easily predict. Most sports are uncomplex and flowcharty with very simple algorithms able to predict results in aggregate very accurately.

Thats why odds exist. They make sure you are incentivised for betting against the favorite. If the house didn't give better results for a bad bet no one would bet at all.

So you have shitty randomness with dice, shitty randomness with concealed information, and shitty non randomness from predictable results born from unequal distribution.

If any suck they all do.

whats the statline of the new lemon rust?

>>53563912

They are better than the primaris side. Tell your friend to grab a tactical squad. The P marines in the box have 2 wounds but not enough basic guns to put the nurgle side in any danger.

>>53563905
>git gud
>in competitive sports
>the thing where the teams with more money spend more getting better players who then make the franchise more money

Uhhuh. Have fun watching retards throw balls at eachother.

>>53563928
Maybe they'll do Arhra at some point and he'll be an Asuryani Incubi.

>>53563984
>he doesn't watch a sport with a salary cap so it adds a new level of entertainment
>Contract negotiations and player worth assessment

its like arguing over point values,

>>53563947
And it would cause the whole wargame market to collapse because what idiot would make the rules alone and expect to sell them for more than the models? You may as well just homebrew the whole thing.

And people expected flying cars to happen for decades too, and you don't see any of those now, do you?

>>53563973
M10 WS 6+ BS 4+ S 7 T 8 W 12 A 3 LD 7 Sv 3+

Move BS and A goes down as it loses wounds.

I want to play a Warhammer drinking game, and I think I've got the rules down.

1,000 points (or the equivalent in 8th edition-ese) with a standard 6x4 table, but the 5 objectives are shots of liquor. When your units have held an objective for an entire turn, you can either drink the shot, or make your opponent take the shot. You cannot remain in possession of an objective after it has been drunk. When the objective has been empty for an entire turn, it gets refilled and is back in play. The game ends/resets either when an opponent has no more models on the table, or players begin to fear for the safety of their modes.

Now I just need a place to play this. And a friend who plays warhammer and likes to drink. Anyone live in the Ann Arbor area?

Any math people taken a look at the Carnifex options? I've got an unopened 'fex sitting on my table and I'm looking for opinions on what weapons I should give him.

>>53564004
>he doesn't watch a sport with a salary cap so it adds a new level of entertainment

You retards that think the salary caps are meaningful are hilarious. They barely even reference endorsements most of the time and Americanizing rights are negotiated well outside of salary caps. You have to be a re re to think Salary caps are actual caps on payment. Sports with salary caps still have dynasties with the most lucrative players collected into small segments of the playing population ensuring continued dynastic success.

>its like arguing over point values,

Yeah, but for games that are way more boring and samey.

so building a list in 7th. now you need something for characters (i think only snipers can do this), anti tank, anti infantry, counter charge units or speed bumps since everyone is coming for your ass. oh and remember to get everything with the key word for command points. which also means no more taudar

>>53564067
>Americanizing

Fucking autocorrect from merchandising to Americanizing? Pol has infected by god damn computer.

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>>53564055
>Warhammer drinking game
>shots of liquor

So one of the guys at my FLGS is claiming that if I want to take purestrains in my Tyranid army, I have to take a cult detachment, even though purestrains have the Tyranid keyword. Is this true?

>>53564008

They did not have working flying cars when making that statement.
We have working 3d printers. The only issue is reducing the cost.

Those two are not even relevant, what are you trying to argue for anyway?

Also, you may be too young to remember but we had things called casettes back in the day. With the computer age and file sharing music companies and artists first tried to fight against the illegal sharing of their works. After spending years on that pointless avenue they realised that they cant fight with technology and they cant sell casettes anymore. So they tried other avenues to profit from with their base material.

The same will happen wheter you like it or not, it is not a choice , it will be an eventuality.

>>53564100
No. Mixing and matching is way easier for any armies that share keywords like that

>>53563018
Malal/Malice/Archaon son, you know you must.

>>53564084

I guess it could theoretically be sips of wine if you're a pussy or play Eldar

Sharing my RAGE from /wip/


>8th
>Remember I traded for a ton of Marines a few years ago then closeted them in case I ever wanted to do Marines
>Have Marines & Sisters, both armies I want to do in 8th
>Sisters have paint stuck in every crevice so to much effort to paint up an army in 2 weeks
>Marines are assembled but unpainted, and I have 40 terminators!

>Decide on Marines because easier to do
>Notice they look oddly put together...gaps and weird arm/shoulderpad placement

>EVERY SINGLE ONE IS GLUED TOGETHER WITH ELMERS GLUE
>Take one apart to see what needs to be done
>Some other weird glue UNDER ELMERS GLUE that is CHEMICALLY RESISTANT TO MY PLASTIC GLUE...
>Try Crazy Glue
>IT ALSO FAILS ME
>Try 5 different brands of glue

SOMEHOW THE FUCKING CHEMICAL MAKEUP OF THESE GOD DAMNED TERMINATORS HAS BEEN ALTERED TO WHERE THEY WILL NOT GLUE EVEN WITH A WASH.

That is why they were re-assembled with Elmers glue. It's the only thing that will work. My only other option is to shave-down every surface -AND- pin everything just to be sure. because initial tests show that the surface only starts becoming glue-able after to much is shaved. Which means putting the torsos back together is FUCKED and they need to be pinned.


FML. I guess I'm doing sisters.

>>53564057
I haven't seen any specific numbers. I would point out that they're only Strength 6 base now, so you'll want Crushing claws if you want them to really rip apart tanks. Otherwise I think one of the more popular ideas now is to just keep it as cheap as possible, but that mainly works if you're spamming a bunch

>>53564100
If you want to take the Cult Ambush, I believe so based off its rules.

>>53564055

This is some sigmar tier shit. I would have told you to fuck off but considering the state of 40k you are welcome. Enjoy your complementary dreadknight.

>>53564057
Either do an Old One Eye type, or go cheap with double scything talons. You'd get a lot of use out of both kinds.
Double talons gives you lots of attacks for not many points, easy to put in any list. Still very scary, but not a big investment to lose.

>>53564119
There's nothing pussy about wine hangovers, though.

>>53564109
See, that's what I said. But they keep saying that because it's in the genecult section, it needs to be in a genecult detachment

>>53564057
Never go crushing claws unless you're replacing both sets of talons (ie if you wanted to give him one bio-cannon or pair of deathspitters)

Only swap the thresher scythe to a bone mace if you're trying to save points, it's pretty bad

Deathspitters are strictly better than devourers, only difference is points

Bio-plasma is decent

Overall I would only recommend taking screamerkillers or dakkafexes. They're actually kind of bad compared to all the overzealous hype.

>>53564119
Why play drinking game if you are not using 80% moonshine?

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so guys, your thoughts...
I'm thinking mephiston and a squad of sanguinary guard in a drop pod. 3 squads death guard with jump packs and Astroth between them deep strike in. 2 Baal preds and whatever that new super pooper scooper Bobby G and the boys edition land raider pred thing.
just based on the BA leaks.

>>53563185
RIP the dream.

>>53564122

You can just...sell them after priming them black.
How could you fail to see the obvious solution ?

>>53564122
Soak them for a while in the chemicals people use for stripping. Super Clean/ Simple Green or your local equivalent. The glue should come right off.

>>53564168
>screamerkillers
uh, isn't that just a general name for carnifexes? what's the set up?

Chaosfags, so Fabius Bile's enhancement ability is no longer limited to just Chaos Marines; he can buff any Chaos infantry models. I'm thinking 20 (minus a few) Berzerkers with +1 A, S, or T sounds nice.

>>53564100
No. They're also Tyranids so you can take them in a Tyranid Detachment. You can actually freely mix and match any GSC and Tyranid stuff in a Detachment, they all share the Tyranids keyword.

However, if you do that, you can't take an allied Astra Militarum Detachment with the Brood Brothers rule.

>>53564168
They're over hyped but still pretty damn good for what you pay for.

>>53564205

Watch out Titan players, now you've got Fabius Bile *and* his chucklefucks to worry about

>>53564200
Please tell me you're not one of the newfags switching from Tau because you heard Tyranids are OP.

You have proven yourself unworthy of my assistance.

>>53564102
Are you suggesting they can sell a few sheets of paper which can be pirated by Russians before they even get released and dubious quality novels which will also be pirated, and still turn a profit?

That's idiotic. The moment 3D printers are released is the moment when miniature wargaming dies.

>>53564262
No, I played mainly skitarii in 7th

>>53564223
Don't realy care, I just want genestealers+1

>>53564205
64 Berzerkers, Kharn and Bill. Make it happen.

Also, how viable are Cataphractii Terminators in melee? I guess they'll have a hard time getting there, but I really like them to get in and start ripping stuff up with chainfists. And because I ordered the necessary bits for it.

>>53564162
Did you remind them to not be autistic?

>>53564135
Oh shit, this guy is right.

>You can only make use of the Cult Ambush ability if every unit in the Detachment shares the Genestealer Cults keyword

So you actually cannot take Purestrains in a Tyranids Detachment and Ambush them. You could still take them, but then there's literally no point, they're exactly the same as regular Genestealers but 6 points more.

The good news is if you have a Patriarch you can run him and just Purestrains in a Vanguard Detachment on the side, no hybrids required.

>>53564162
You can mix and match as long as everything in the detachmant has one keyword<Tyranids>. It's how I can have Roboute lead mt IG<Imperium>.

>>53563757
cant you still take anything from the other factions and just give them the <death guard> keyword? For instance if I were playing a death guard army can I take a heldrake and give it the relevant keyword even though its not in its army list?

>>53564273
See >>53564286

After the buffs Hive Fleet Genestealers got, they are actually Purestrains+1, not the other way around, outside of using Cult Ambush, which requires all GSC in that Detachment.

>>53564102
>reducing the cost
They said that about virtual reality too, and we've still yet to see it do half the shit it's supposed to have done. If it does happen, neither of us will be there to see it.

>>53564286

Couldn't you also just dock the -1 CP to take one of the 0-1 vanilla auxiliaries? Instead of paying a Patriarch tax.

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>>53564233
>Brings a Titan formation to a "narrative" game
>T 20
>W 50
>SV 2+
>each
>Opponent sends fabious bile into combat with them
>he hits first due to assaulting
>hits
>wounds on 6+ (because everything can do that in 8th
>I fail my save
>His weapon is Instant Death
>Remove Titan from the field
>Remove other 2 Titans after failing battle shock

In the six years since I started playing 40k, my strategy has never actually evolved beyond "put a bunch of ork boyz in a bunch of trukks, drive those trukks at the enemy, pile out of the trukk, and charge the enemy while my lootaz fire their deffguns on the opposite end of the field."

Will I find that to be a viable way to play this time around?

>>53564271

Are you bloody serious?
People still buy fucking books everywhere in the motehrfucking world.
I wont even try to explain the reason why because If this is a troll bait it is a low quality one, if you are serious you are so retarded that you wouldnt understand the explanation anyway.

Worst units per faction?
Am reading people complain and so far.

IG
Lemon Ruse and simultaneously not it.

Tau
Sniper drones and broadsides

CSM
The random gun meme man

>>53564328
Ah, yeah, good catch.

The Patriarch is worth the points though imo for access to a second psychic power table.

>>53563885
Airsoft X weapon wouldn't be that hard. You could easily convert any G36 model to a bolter.

>>53564340
yes

>>53564340
Can't say for sure, but at minimum it will be more viable than last edition.

Wow, Blood Angels have 6+ Feel No Pain built in. That's pretty bad ass as far as faction abilities go.

>>53562631
I don't get the joke. What was Colbert supposed to be accusing our glorious god-emperor of?

>>53564340
Not only is it viable, It is a very successful strategy now. My wife plays orks, and she is fucking my SM's shit up.

>>53564383
Thats just death company though

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>>53564337
I want to get off Mr.Bile's shitpost ride.

>>53564200

In the lore at least, their the Carnifexes that can hurl bio plasma from their mouths.

Remember that being one of the more interesting nick names for a Carnifex aside from "Ground Shakers" and "Wrecking Beasts".

>>53564386
Anything his audience is predisposed to believe (everything).

>>53564356

Eldar: Vauls Wrath

Literally 3x the cost, basically no advantages. It's 98 points for one Heavy D6 S6 Ap0 indirect fire launcher on a T5 W4 4+ model.

>>53564386

It's referencing the whole two scoops of icecream debacle

The only thing about the tau codex i'm disappointed in is the lack of wargear for vehicles.

>>53564008
you know there are many companies that make rules and base their incomes off the sales of rules right?

there is a reason for no flying cars - people struggle to be coordinated enough to manage 2d control of an automobile.

if you want to homebrew, go ahead. house rules are a thing.

>>53563279
From what I've seen DA got fucked seriously hard. Our psychic powers are shit and ravenwing are fucking balls now, seriously they are much much worse than 7th now. Deathwing got better and asmodi looks pretty cool though

>>53564356
>broadsides
what? they aren't bad at all

>>53564340
You'll have to add 'charge with the trukk' in front of charging the boyz, since you can basically ram with them that way now to soak up overwatch

>>53564356
Adeptus Custodes
Custodes

>>53564390
Ah, probably a good thing. I was getting my panties in a bunch over here.

What the fuck is a Thresher Scythe

>>53562762
EXTRA FUNZ: Stormboyz can krump flyerz now!

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>>53564337
N-NANI?!

>>53564312

Screencap this post and post it again in 5 years.

>>53563958
what list builder is this?

>>53564423

>Thresher Scythe

It's a Tyranid tail biomorph for the Carnifex.

so when are Primaris Marines going to get a vehicle they can actually ride in?

>>53564312
VR has been a consumer product like a fifth the period of time 3d printing has been.

>>53564423
Its tail.

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So I was doing mathhammer for a Leman Russ Commander against a Space Marine Predator. here are my results.

The Leman Russ does have a couple advantages dependent on the battlefield. The longer battle cannon range won't help in most scenarios as 4' is plenty for most encounters, but if you can exceed it, it'll force the Space Marine player to fire at BS3 for a turn as he moves up. Like I said, though: Unlikely. You can also take advantage of your turret weapon's stabilizer to maneuver behind cover or just, you know, maneuver.

Ultimately though, it demonstrates the importance of having good guns and plenty of them, and how a high toughness and extra wound won't save you. Even if you got orders on your side.

Please, GW, give the vanquisher mortal wounds next codex. Or anything, really! Just not another friggin' oversized melta!

>>53564423
a Scythe, it usually threshes.

>>53564356
Are Mutilators ok?

>>53564356
Sniper Drones are pretty good if you take the Marksman. They fulfill the task of taking out lighter armored characters, which is all you really need.

Broadsides also seem solid. While they're expensive now, their statline makes them as durable as a Dreadnought, and their guns are still quite nice. They've gone from being Infantry with heavy weapons to vehicles with heavy weapons, essentially.

Worst Tau unit honestly feels like Riptides. 300 points, and all you get is a fairly durable unit that dishes out maybe 2 heavy weapons worth of damage each turn

>>53564405
Seriously?

2 scoops of ice cream is a national scandal? What the fuck is wrong with you Americans?

>>53563281

>WAACfags
>painting

good one.

>>53564472
it's the media that have the issue, not americans

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>>53564453
>>53564459

AHHH, thank you

>>53564462
>pic related

>>53564417

Thoughts of people summarized:
Weren't all that great last edition. Got a big price jump still. Big target that gets murdered fast due to multi wounds and mortal wounds

>>53564402
>Anything his audience is predisposed to believe (everything).

Did he take over for fox and friends when I wasn't looking?

>>53564347
With no standardization in models and nobody in charge of making sure each ruleset corresponds to a given model? That's not a wargame, that's Calvinball with minis. And you're delusional if you think GW alone will be affected by the magical 3D printers that make models better than any other method while costing a fraction fo the price to make them.

>>53562671
Blood angels lost their melta guns on their assault squads.

>>53564055
>drinking game
>only five shots

muricans really and truly can't into drinking for the life of them

better would be

for every wound taken by your army you drink a finger of beer. and for every wound dealt by your army drink a finger of beer.

or if you insist on drinking american beer, for every dice you roll on a 2+ you drink.
good luck keeping track of the game rolls vs drink rolls after a few turns!

So my friend was talking about starting tau this summer as his first army

What should I tell him now

>>53564472
Worse.

They're now unironically suggesting he should be kicked out of office over a spelling mistake

>>53564501
to buy the models he likes and have fun

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THIS IS NOT OKAY

(Guess which one is IG and which one is GSC)

>>53564491
Not him personally but the libs have been doing well on that front, too.

>>53564501
As a Tau player, they're still fine. It's literally just Riptide spam lists that really got hurt

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>>53564498
They WHAT?

Is there even a point to Malcadors in this edition?

>Firing on the move is limited by accuracy penalties
>No more firing arcs/armor facing
>Not a super-heavy anymore

>>53564356
BA:
Assault squads lost their melta guns. Death company are less attacks and 1 less FnP, but giving them a power sword makes them only 1 point more than what they were before

>>53564472
It's funny seeing Americans having the same level of scandal as us in NZ.

>>53564514
The one that gives you a running start on the throw is most likely the Genies.

But then, I'm not GW.

>>53564485
>it's the media that have the issue, not americans

As an American that is a retarded lie. We are definitely the problem and we refuse to take responsibility for our sheer idiocy.

Like, the president made up a fucking terrorist attack on live TV and it just washed off of conservative Americans like it was nothing and they've spent weeks listening to Kim Dotcom talk about a giant grand conspiracy about Hillary Clinton assassin ring for weeks.

This country is fucking stupid beyond any measure.

>>53564514
>assault
>grenade
...what's the difference?

>>53563806
Neat. I've been wanting to do some conversion work on their raiders, since it looks like such a cool model, and didn't want to invest in a full army to get them on the table.

>>53564520
look at the assault squad entry. no where does it say they can take melta guns or special weapons. Even the Blood Angels section makes no addendum for this. Sergeants can still make inferno pistols, though

>>53562671
I noticed Sanguinary Guard have two wounds and Death Company have access to 4 point power swords.

>>53564422
yeah, black rage has always been their thing. Bit irked that we don't have red thirst still isn't a universal rule for us anymore. Almost as bad as them not making assault marines a troop choice for us.

>>53564543
Only one model in a unit can use a grenade weapon each turn

>>53564514
Top one is GSC. its says autopistol. Miners get different style of Dem charges.

>>53564403
It's the only thing capable of taking Vibro-Cannons, which are only good against tough models without invuln saves. Good thing my support batteries are all magnetized when it comes to their weapons.

>>53564543
Assault weapons fire at -1bs

>>53564518
Crisis suits look straight garbage now and those were the things he was most interested in desu

>>53564523
Well...if the Leman Russes get a turret stabilizer I'd imagine...
>Sees Baneblades
Your doomed!

> Collect Tyranids, Crons, Tau, and DE
> Nidzilla is finally viable
> Reanimation has returned to We'll Be Back
> Tau seems to have been nerfed
> DE can now unload their poisonous drug laddened jizz on people while going fast on their Raiders

Truly this is the edition I've been waiting for.

>>53564516
Yeah next time they invent a fake terrorist attack on live TV, or spend weeks talking about a secret pedo sex ring run by an ex president under a Pizza shop it'll be comparable.

Until then neck yourself. The sides aren't remotely comparable.

>>53564540
Nah, it's just you pal. Feel free to move to some other country though.

>>53564356
admech
Rangers: special rules taken away paired with nerfed damage and ld, poor poor metal men

>>53564122
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>>53564575
...after Advancing.

>>53564540
Plus, there are a bunch of idiots out there snowballing each other a bunch of unsubstantiated tripe about collusion with Russians or something.

So what's /tg/'s opinion on the Eldar err Aelidari nerfs?

Also wtf why are Eldar Aelidari now?

>>53564084
Don't be a bitch. You get fucking plastered and damage your liver like a goddamn man.

>>53564543
>grenade
One per turn. IG can get these only in pairs of three
>Assault
Can use all of them in a turn per unit, can run and then throw them at -1BS.

>>53564586
Which of the 180 ones that believe what every scientist on the fucking planet has been saying for 30 years straight about climate should I move too?

Or should I just wait for it to get better here when a rain cloud floats by and you accidentally drown because your slack jaw can't close after four generations of incest?