EDH/COMMANDER GENERAL

>>53520851
UNBAN BRAIDS AND LEOVOLD
fuck you Sheldon

>>53520851
I dont.

I realize literally any banlist will have complaints. No matter what, someone somewhere will be unhappy.

>>53520851
>Thread question
His banlist is miles better than the one Wizards managed to shit out

>>53520851
I dislike how he judges what should be on the list by what his play group does. Also how he thinks they'd need to add a bunch of things to the list if they brought back banned as commander.

>>53520851
He's super casual and the "EDH guy", which bothers me. He makes his decks shittier to make good cards less powerful, like upping basics in Karador for Hermit Druid and they use the horrifying gis mulligan, which is awful. As a judge he doesn't seem to be serious enough in my opinion.

>>53520851
His personality honestly.

Oh boy another banlist thread

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>>53520851
>this is good enough to be banned
>not mana leak
>not imperial seal
>not zur

>6 mana 6/6 that gives you tapped lands

for why?

>>53520851
>Sheldon
Honestly don't at all. EDH is primarily casual and it's good to have a casual-oriented banlist. It's far from perfect, obviously, but there's no ideal banlist for such a wide format.

Best sac outlets in green? Already have Birthing Pod and Ashnod's

Asked last thread, got no responses. I want to make a Dune-Brood colored deck and Saskia has been underwhelming. What would the best partner deck in the colors be?

>>53521209
>mana leak
did you mean drain
>imperial seal
not vamp tutor though, that one is fine it can stay

>>53521310
mana drain*

>>53521271
I'm inclined to say Ravos and Tana, but Sidar Kondo and Vial Smasher could also be worth it.

>>53521241
Phyrexian Altar obviously.

>>53521241
Phyrexian Altar, Greater Good, Perilous Forays, Altar of Dementia, High Market, Miren the Moaning Well if you're generating tons of Saprolings then Utopia Mycon, Psycothrope Thallid and Thallid Germinator

His banlist is bad and doesnt have the excuse of being brand new to hide behind.

I think the banlist is generally fine, assuming you play with a good group that prioritizes fun over winning at all costs

however, LGS EDH can get serious,
and the limited scope of the banlist causes decks to become degenerate

>>53520851
>For what reason do you hate Sheldon the most?
He thinks people will make bad decks with cards like Mana crypt, Sol ring and Mana drain.

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>opponent draws out whole deck
>forces you to over draw and die
this is banned why?

>>53521400
>up to four cards

>>53520851
Combining the banned as commander and banned decklist.

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Do I build it? Suggestions?

>>53521428
this is my only gripe with the guy. the banlist is mostly fine with only a few exceptions.

>>53521425
even then it's not that bad
>3 mana draw 4
what did the ban list people just play with retards

>>53521400
cause retards like you cant rtfc

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>>53521456
yes

>>53521463
>four player game
>two players draw their entire library

i think the problem is that it turns a 4-way free-for-all into a 1v1 game for 3 mana

>>53521463
the problem is that two people drew between 40-70 cards and then the game was over for any other player.

>>53521456
I want to see it so yeah build it. Also don't forget cryptolith rite, furystoke giant and maybe Arlinn Kord, abusing her ult seems cool but might be too slow.

>>53521522
Lol politics XDXDXDXD

>>53521209
because it's more liable to ruin casual edh than any of those cards

stuff like food chain or doomsday don't really ruin casual metas because you have to be a tryhard to even put them in your decks.

however, primeval titan seems like a typical casual EDH fatty, except he also gives you a massive tempo swing and tutors all kinds of crazy lands. it's very easy for a game to get warped because someone drops the guy

in essence, it's the like a choice between giving a toddler nuclear access codes or a knife. chances are, it's not going to know how to use the nuclear access codes so it's probably safer to give him those instead of the knife

is baral any good in multiplayer?

>>53521545
Yeah 3 mana remove two players from the game is "lol politics xD"

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>>53521544
>tfw ulted Arlinn Kord with Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet out

>>53521517
>>53521522
That's on them for being tards.

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Give me your best Feldon lists.

>>53521563
They'd have to willingly kill themselves.

>>53520917
>being this retarded
Fuck off. If you want to play with Mana Crypt and Sol Ring you're a literal mouthbreather

>>53521548
>people are to stupid to ban cards in house rules if they want to play casual
>hurrr the rules should do it for us
>>>/out/ you commie

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>>53521705
bet you are fun to play with
>"NOT COUNTERSPELLLL IT SHOULD BE BANNEDDDDD"
>pic related

>>53521784
>Trying to impose your house rules on multiple playgroups
I'm not building custom decks for different house rules

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>>53521812
I run crypt, ring, vault and monolith in most of my decks, and probably will 'till they're all banned.

I'd just rather have a fair banned list, not some meme list thrown together by a middle aged balding man who thinks Protean Hulk is fair since you can choose to tutor for bad cards instead of a win.

>>53521784
but thats what im trying to say

when you are getting into edh, odds are youre going to play cards exactly like primeval titan when youre starting out.

when you start breaking the format, you'll realize that there are a ton of cards to abuse but at that point your group should be experienced enough to houseban those cards.

i think sheldon is pretty much a dumbo but i mostly agree with him mostly banning cards for casual edh. it's critical that newbies have a good time and don't have their groups devolve into sylvan primordial retardation (even though that card doesn't see action in real tryhard decks).

i do think he should ban the silliest fast mana cards, but that's about it.

>>53521671
No? The ones who are removed are the ones who don't have their entire deck in their hand

>>53521818
>going to multiple play groups
do you let other people sleep with your wife too?

>>53521705
>implying
That's a lot of baseless assumptions there buddy

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UPDATES TO THE BANNED LIST
>Sol Ring
>Mana Crypt
>Mana Vault
>Ancient Tomb
>Gaea's Cradle
>Grim Monolith
>Food Chain
>Protean Hulk
>Ad Nauseam
>Doomsday
FORMAT

SAVED

>>53521209
Because it's not basic lands, it's any lands.

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>>53521917
no
>mana drain
>every tutor

>>53521969
Particularely broken tutors like Evolving Wilds and Rampant Growth.

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>>53521969
>any of those being banworthy
You ok anon?

>>53521983
Don't get me started on Panoramas

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>>53521983
yes the game should have no way to tutor
if you want cards reliably besides your commander go play a 60 card format

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>>53522000
Nothing compared to the terror that is basic landcycling

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What kind of mulligan do you use, /edhg/?

>>53521917
Remove Protean Hulk from that and you have a deal.

>>53521917
>Grim Monolith
>but no Basalt Monolith
almost had it

>>53521917
I nearly agree. Why the fuck would you ban Ancient Tomb?

>>53522065

Protean Hulk has had a surprisingly small impact on my meta.

It gave the boonweaver deck a second boonweaver, and it's pretty gross in Meren, but otherwise it just doesn't fit in too many decks.

Bought 3 foil protean hulks when they announced the unban at $8 each, traded them away at $80. Still got one left.

>>53522066
I say we just ban everything that taps for 3 or more mana.

>>53522058
My playgroup actually tried something new this week, and it felt amazing. Draw 10, then shuffle 3 back into your library. and your Mulligans you just draw one less and still shuffle 3 into your library.

>>53522058
Honestly, my group lets people mulligan as many times as necessary with no penalties, but within reason.

>>53522102
But my Somberwald Sage

>>53522058
I don't have a playgroup, I suffer at my LGS. The house rule there is a free mulligan then scry 2 when you decide to keep.

>>53521917
>Banning Ancient Tomb/Gaea's
you are a dumb-dumb

>>53522065
No, anon. I just banned every other meme combo out there. Do you want the tryhard meta to devolve into flash hulk and Karador Hulk bullshit?

>>53522066
Grim Monolith is almost objectively better compared to Basalt.

>>53522096
Do you own an Ancient Tomb? It's fast mana that goes in every single deck, no contest.

>>53522151
>you can ban every fast mana and combo piece that I don't use
it's all or nothin bud

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>>53522058
No rules set in stone but mostly first mull is back to 7 and then normally.

>>53522112
Sounds pretty cool.

>>53522154
>It's fast man
and it comes with a cost. You playgroup should recognize that and puinish the Tomb user for Shocking them self each tap

Gaea's is also a dead land post wipe that is dependent on the most vulnerable of card types to ramp

>>53522154
Oh okay. I didn't see your long-term plan there. Carry on.

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okay mtg. vote on it then
http://www.strawpoll.me/13077300
should sol ring be banned?

>>53522191
I didn't say I agreed with the other ones, those two were the most egregious since they have very obvious drawbacks

>>53522195
>Sounds cool

It really was. it's pretty hard to be mana screwed when you draw 10 and you can shuffle your late-game plays in.

>>53522204
Anon, you're a fucking retard if you consider pinging yourself for 2 a drawback.

>>53522229
Well it is. it being a drawback is an undeniable truth in most dick

What you meant to say is ''it's not a big drawback.

>>53522229
Your playgroup must have Down Syndrome if they can't understand proper assessment of board-states

>>53521705
>if you want to play with good cards you're a literal mouth breather

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>>53522264
>A-ancient tomb is fair because your opponents can focus you!
>S-Sol Ring is perfectly fine because it makes you a threat!
>Tolarian Academy is perfectly fair, everyone will just target the person who plays it!

>>53522222
Sweet Quints matey

>>53520884
>braids
im down for a lil braids action
>leovold
fuck you

>For what reason do you hate Sheldon the most?
removing "banned as commander"

>>53522112
Huh... Sounds neat.

>>53522290
>I'm going to stawman by conflating Sol Ring and Ancient Tomb with the most broken land in the game because I don't have a better argument
typical frogposter

>>53522228
I can imagine it activates decks faster, yeah. Not something I'd want with my usual playgroup since they're all hilariously jacked but there's some kids at the LGS who I sometimes play a bit more lowpower and casual games and could certainly use that rule there.

>>53521917
This is very very close to being right

>>53522151
>Gaea's
What are you? Fucking retarded?

>>53522264
Different anon here, what fucking deck utilizing slow direct damage competes with decks utilizing the entire fast mana and tutor package we're discussing?

Go on I'll wait.

>>53522324
It does activates fast deck, but it works better than partial power-level wise,

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>b-but no sol ring
>b-but no fast mana
>huuuur nothing in the game should be a threat every card in the game should be a 2 mana 2/2
sounds like you are in the wrong format if you want it to be bland and have nothing crazy happen
people like you ruin commander

>>53522058
Deal out two hands and pick one of them, then shuffle the other back. If you can't take either, shuffle them both and deal a third hand.

>>53522112
Too strong.

Guys if we ban the problem fast Mana rocks braids can come back

I desperately want both of these things to happen

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>>53522346
Nani?
>>53522348
We aren't discussing tutor packages and slow vs fast. We're discussing how Ancient Tomb isn't worth banning.

>>53522372
again, depends on the powerlevel of the meta.

>>53520851
>thread question
They honestly seem to ban or consider banning things based solely on their own personal playgroup and not take into account the entire EDH community.
A good number of cards don't get banned that should (most likely because someone in their playgroup has a deck with the associated combo in it and doesn't want it banned), while there are other cards that get banned that don't really seem like there's a good argument for banning them other than their playgroup got annoyed at playing against them in decks not in their group or something.
Plus, they removed "banned as commander but allowed in 99"; and they only take their personal feelings and the very few people that post in their forums when considering bannings, rather than any kind of large scale polling or assessment or anything.
tl;dr circlejerking jerks that ban or don't ban based on their personal feelings rather than based on whether it would be good for the format as a whole

>>53522363
>99 card singleton
>except some of these cards are so far ahead in powerlevel that when you draw them you win
Cool format, I would love to play fucking rock paper scissors with four people stretched across 15 minutes.

>>53522363
>Haha, guys, check out this quirky play!
>Turn 1 Mana Crypt, Island, windfall
>Haha, looks like I win!
Fucking retard

>>53522363
The cards that enable turn 3 combos or that give a massive random benefit for having one in your opening hand does not help the format be crazy, just unbalanced

>>53521917
I don't think any of those should be banned. I think you need to git gud, and realize that it's not the end of the world to lose a game to a lucky t1 sol ring, because that is what playing multiple rounds a night is for.

>>53522438
>>53522415
>>53522410
where did the sol ring hurt you?

>>53522389
And one of the points was that threat assessment somehow makes fast mana weaker.

>>53522133
Get it out of here. It's broken.

>>53522389
You have to see why tapping for more than one Mana on a land is a problem and why in green this usually just means it's a land that is always on and at least tapping for two mana
Not as bad as the other offenders but it's gotta be on a watchlist somewhere

>>53522453
>git gud
>GIT GUD
Holy fucking shit, I've never seen this argument before when it comes to the banned list. Most people argue to embrace variance, or that the format is meant to be broken.

Then, somehow, this mouthbreather comes along, and thinks it's skill testing to start the game off with your mana crypt?

why do 30$+ cards that arn't promo exist? they're cardboard rectangles.

>>53522454
kys

The commander banlist serves a completely different purpose from a competitive format banlist.

Imagine if sheldon wrote a list of guidelines for cooking spaghetti for your friends, and he also included a forbidden ingredient list that featured things like.
-dish soap
-petroleum
-chlorine bleach
-mountain dew

Upon reading this list, it would not be prudent to come up with such genius ideas as.
"It says to season to taste. I could use INFINITE oregano, and they would HAVE to eat it, so I would be the winner!"
"Why even bother to put dish soap on the list if motor oil is still allowed? stupid sheldon."
"This ban list is stupid. I could theoretically poison everybody with enough salt, so salt should be banned. This means that putting a pinch of salt in my sauce for flavor is JUST as bad as adding bleach."
"I can think of dozens of other things that need to be on this list. antifreeze is legal, so we HAD to eat it. Why isn't it banned?"

This list of spaghetti guidelines would exist purely for the sake of steering people away from putting under-sink chemicals in their food by accident and would make zero concessions to people who intended on deliberately making the most inedible food possible.

This is why shit like sol ring is legal but sylvan primordial isn't. The sol ring is like the salt, you can do awful things with it and poison your friends, but you really shouldn't. Sylvan primordial on the other hand causes awful things to happen by existing.

(If I had my way and I also had a time machine, I would push for sol ring to not be overprinted and not be legal, but I'm not going to let one less than ideal scenario cause me to ignore the intent of the banlist like some autists do.)

>>53522509
>Food analogies

>>53522454
>Hurr Durr let's make a turn 1 card that puts you two turns ahead legal
>Moxen??
>Waaaaay too powerful

>>53522462
Where was that point argued?
>You playgroup should recognize that and punish the Tomb user for Shocking them self each tap.
Just treat it as how you would treat someone activating Necropotence and stop pulling talking points out of your ass.

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prove me wrong
you cant
>all mana rocks should be banned
fast mana is unfair and ruin the game
>all mana dorks should be banned
see first reason
>all tutors should be banned
The only card that should be reliable to get out is your commander

this would fix the format

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http://www.strawpoll.me/13077378

Should pic related be banned?
At best it's a strictly better INSTANT SPEED Coastal Breach. (doesn't affect caster)
At worst it needlessly extends games because the caster just wants to meme.
>but it's not like you can't just re-cast everything over your next 4+ turns xD
Yea, and meanwhile the Rift caster is countering everything as it gets re-played, or just outright wins because of the instant massive advantage they get.
>but it costs 7 mana
On the end step of the last person before the caster, in a format known for massive ammounts of mana and big numbers of mana rocks and dorks.

>>53522509
That's a really shitty strawman regardless of the point you are trying to make

>>53522497
Money is either cloth paper or bytes of information, anon. The Mona Lisa is incalculably valuable and it's just oil and canvas.

Don't act like "they're cardboard rectangles" actually means anything.

>>53522485
Add a strip mine if it's that big of a problem in your meta

>>53522528
>food anal orgies

>>53522574
Adding removal doesn't address the fact that it's overpowered for the format.

>>53522574
>ye olde dies to removal meme

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good card on Gisela, Blade of Goldnight deck, GO!

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>>53522557
>look mom, I posted it again!

>>53522632
Pyrohemia

>>53522632
Malignus

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>all these people thing sol ring is broken
holy shit
im never taking advice from you retards again
neck yourselves

>>53522632
Inquisitor's Flail

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Card you love but never get an opportunity to play/resolve.

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>>53522557
>>53522547
>>53522509
>>53522389
>>53522363

Official rule-set should be:
excluding commander, Any card with Market value equal to or above 7 US dollars, is banned.

Prove me wrong. Pro tip: you can't.

>>53522632
hidetsugu

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>>53522632

>>53522662
t. Sol Ring abuser

>>53522662
>all these people who think one of the best cards in Magic is broken
NANI!?

>>53522547
Fast mana is not unfair, as everyone has access to putting them in their deck. If everyone has a sol ring and one person gets lucky and draws it turn one, well that's just the way the game goes and you shouldn't be mad about losing one game to a lucky draw (which is what the format is supposed to be about right? Lucky draws?) when you're probably going to be playing 10+ games in the sessions anyway.

I don't even know how to respond to your point about tutors, not because I can't refute it, but because your basic premise about reliability is wrong. Not to mention banning all tutors would make pretty much all non blue/black decks worthless

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>>53522671
In every W and part W deck I make, as a just-in-case thing, but I pretty much never get to use it.
I have managed to not lose using it two or three times, and one of those I ended up winning, so I keep it regardless.

>>53522557
this card and others like it is why EDH is and always will be a shitty format.

The games always just get extended by meaningless bullshit and there are too many triggers to remember easily.

If you try to do anything remotely powerful casual children just whine because they'd rather spend 5 hours at a boardstall when we could have just played about 7 matches of any other real constructed format.

>>53522618
It isn't overpowered. It's a do nothing by itself that requires you to build your deck a certain way in order to reap a benefit. Granted, the archetype required is most natural in a green deck, but your still hinging this ramp on the easiest of permanents to remove. Tolarian is banned because artifacts are semi-protected, readily ramp on their own, and typically cheap.

>>53522672
>no wheel of fortune
>no good lands
>no blood moon
are you just poor?
is this the issue?

>>53522410
I've never seen anyone lose to a turn 1 Sol Ring.

>>53522672
As soon as you unban things from the list prices will spike you absolute retard

>>53522618
EDH is supposed to be a powerful format because you have access to almost all of magics printed history

>>53522730
>I don't have problem therefor problem does not exist at all anywhere ever

>>53522672
its shit like this
this isnt even an argument.
you are like someone who says "3+3=2"
you dont argue with them you just call them wrong and move on

>>53522631
That wasn't an argument for its staying legal. That was a suggestion for someone saying them having trouble with it. The same would be suggested for going against an animar deck

>>53522632
Sol ring
Mana crypt
Mana vault
Chrome Mox
Mox diamond
Ancient tomb
Armageddon

>>53522533
Yes. I'm okay with this and guess what? It'll never change. Sol Ring won't get banned.

>>53521917
>sol ring
>mana crypt
>mana vault
>ancient tomb
>grim monolith
sure. they are just auto-includes for any deck that wants mana. removing them simply lowers the power of most decks which is fair and promotes variety.

>gaea's cradle
same but for green decks. the fact that it costs so much is basically already a ban to me.

>food chain
>ad nauseum
>protean hulk
>doomsday
i don't care about these being legal. they can all be dealt with in different ways. i wouldn't care if they were banned but they are a complex banning as opposed to the colorless fast mana which is easy and fair.

>>53522745
>ive had problems that means the problem exists for everyone in the format

>>53522662
What good has Sol ring ever been other than lol it's fun

>>53522528
I don't get the butthurt over food analogies. It's accurate.

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>>53522672
>Any card with Market value equal to or above 7 US dollars, is banned.

Yeah, this should definitely be banned.
$7 is a really arbitrary number, is your favorite card $7?

>>53521628

Think Feldon is worth it in a Scion deck?

>>53522559
Literally any open-letter or argument is intrinsically a strawman because even if it ever addressed one person's views perfectly, another person would have slightly different views. A strawman attack is only a fallacy if it is used to dishonestly attach an opinion to somebody. Even then, that was obviously a point taken to the absurd in an honest attempt to draw a parallel to what I also see as absurd.

Shit man. Please don't throw around reddit-atheist debate terms without care.

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sorry losers
solring will
N E V E R

E

V

E

R

be banned

say it with me
"i am a loser"

>>53522801
Yeah, there's some pretty obvious synergy there.

>>53522746
anon, it's a troll

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Should I use Mazirek or Meren as my BG commander?
Which is more fun, grinding value with Meren or the explosiveness of Mazirek?

>>53522743
Powerful but it's also supposed to be a casual, and by this I mean non-tourney, format. We have played with these cards long enough to recognize that there are flaws with fast mana

>>53522745
If you have an issue with it then house rule it. It's never going away.

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>>53522817
>the cake is brick layered

>>53522509
Get away from here with your level headed comparisons!!! REEEEEEEE!!!

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>this thread question
>all this bait

i knew it would be shit
but not this shit

pls never make a banlist question again

>>53522849
We have played with these cards long enough to recognize that there are flaws with people who can't deal with fast mana

>>53522826
Mazirek. Meren is babby's first super linear commander that makes new players feel clever for assembling synergies that are more trivial than a piece of ikea furniture.
"oh, I get to add the card to my hand?" ~ every meren babbe

At least mazirek encourages some more unique card choices.

Opinion: fast mana is bad, but not all mana rocks are intrinsically bad.
Conclusion: Ban all mana rocks that tap for as much or more mana than their cmc, as well as ban all mana rocks with in-built self-untaps.

>tfw captcha is select all dresses and one is the black/blue/white/gold

>>53521917
>Pls stop playing BG so my mono U "superior intellect" can win.
kys

>>53522878
There are two kinds of people who play mtg: those who HATE fast mana and those who don't really mind it. The former typically wet themselves or throw a fit whenever they lose to it while the latter don't really care if they lose all that much.

>>53522937
>being this retarded
FBFP

>>53522934
>fast mana is bad

>>53522878
I have witnessed the foul fruit of my mistake and will endeavor to not make it again.

>>53522933
Should I still keep Animate Dead in Mazirek?

to me the main issue with fast mana is how non-specific it is. if sol ring was banned then every deck with sol ring would suddenly have another card slot for a fun/interesting card. sol ring isn't very fun or interesting.

>>53522915
The people aren't a problem
Turn 3 wins and Games where random chance gives you a two turn advantage are the problem.
If this is supposed to be a turn 3 format then let them come out and say it.

>>53522945
>implying I don't LOVE fast mana
>sitting across from some poorfags at my LGS
>drop a crypt into a signet
>faceroll the retards into next week
Outskilled them so hard

>>53522969
No, it'd just get replaced with the next best thing. If they were already running it then they'd replace that card with the third best thing and so on and so forth.

>>53522962
i forgive you anon

heres an idea, if a card is an auto include in every deck in the format; maybe that card is warping the format in an unhealthy way

Spoilers when?

>>53523025
yea lol
get rid of
>lands
>counterspell in blue decks
>top
>ramp in green
>tutors

kys

>>53522980
Okay, three kinds of players:
HE HATES IT: spikes who whine about losing or babbies who call anything that beats them unfair
Don't care about it: chill people who don't mind losing and play to have fun. They're probably playing multiple rounds anyway.
Love it: spikes who win with it or people who GOTTA GO FAST

>>53523061
Dumb slippery slope poster

>>53523085
It is a slippery slope though. If you ban one card that is staple in everything then another card will take its place.

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>>53523085
"ban auto include card"
>lists auto include cards
"hurrr b-but s-slippery slope"

>>53523009
like what? mind stone? the upside to mind stone isn't as high as sol-ring, which means that another highly synergistic card might beat it out.

there are lots of decks that will want mana rocks regardless. decks that want to ramp, that aren't in good ramp colors. decks that care about artifacts. decks that need color smoothing etc.

there are decks that would take something else over mind stone however. and that will generate more variety amongst decks. i'm not all for banning sol ring but i am 100% sure that banning it would increase card variety in edh. and i think that is a positive.

>>53523072
This, if you are the first or third type go play another format, this isn't the format for you

>>53523126
There is no replacement for Sol Ring and Crypt you fucking retard. The next best thing is Chrome Mox or Mox Diamond, and those are not auto-includes in a number of decks.

>>53523126
You could just decide to stop whenever you decide it's reasonable to do so, hence why slippery slope is considered a fallacy. Unfortunately for the rock haters, you could just as easily accept sol ring.

>>53522969
The difference between sol ring and let's say signets is that the powerlevel between signets and let's say a wincon like ad nauseum is much closer
Ad nauseum is only so powerful because it's reasonable to get it out before someone can apply pressure
Creatures as a card type are hindered by summoning sickness and if you want creatures to have a place in high tier decks you are going to have to give them the breathing room they need to get pressure on with.
To put it bluntly
A turn 5 combo is much much easier to stop than a turn 3 combo , we want interaction we want creatures (a massive amount of the card pool) to be able to apply pressure and we don't want to have to aggressively Mulligan for rocks and removal just because it's statistically likely that the game win end before turn 4 if you don't.

>>53520851
They should have given Baral a useless red ability like: [5R]: Draw a card, then discard a card.

>>53523025
>if a card is an auto include in every deck in the format
>every deck in the format
>every deck

>>53523061
>counterspell in blue decks
>in blue decks

>ramp in green
>in green

i found the goal posts

>>53523059
Midway though July for commander product

>>53523193
this isn't even a response

I think a problem in this whole argument is people take losing a game so damn personally. It's not like that game where your friend got a t1 sol ring is the last game of EDH you're ever going to play, hell youre probably going to play 10 or 15 games that night anyway. Stop caring so much about each individual game and just move on to the next one, isn't that the point of non-tourney mtg?

>>53523061
well since you have down syndrome ill go over these one point at a time
>lands
not even going to bother on this one, obviously there is no single land card that goes into 100% of all edh decks since not every edh deck is the same colour
>counterspell in blue decks
blue decks arent 100% of the field you are moving the goal posts
>top
not everyone runs tops
>ramp in green
thats not even a card thats a type of card
>tutors
you're confusing a mechanic for a specific card again

>>53523264
>I know! I'll call any response I don't like "not a response"!
That's not how discussions/arguments work.

>>53523277
>Y-you're gonna play more games, so who cares about the quality of them?
NOT AN ARGUMENT FAGGOT

>>53523025
I think this might be a legitimate idea but it would lead to Sad Sam getting banned and it's not a problem card by any stretch
Sol ring warps the format by effectively pushing you forward two lands on turn 1 with no card disadvantage built in
Take burgeoning, requires you to have lands, your opponents to play lands and you to drop it from your hand so it's a lot of ramp for sure but it costs your hand dearly for it.

>>53522945
Fags think fast mana ruins the game because they sincerelly think countering every spell you play is some sort of grand scheme when in reality it's just basic aritmethic parity broken by having 2+ more mana than the bluefag.

>>53523158
They'll still get replaced, even if the card that you put in isn't as good. Something like Mana Vault or Basalt Monolith, even if slower.

I am having a hard time figuring out where the skill comes in with playing boggles beyond holding up a fetch against liliana. I play a deck that basically auto wins versus boggles, but I can't figure out what exactly is skill testing about it.

>>53523338
Mana Vault should get banned too.

>>53523338
And at least with those we don't have problems with people untapping on turn 2 with 5 mana

>>53523326
sad sam isn't played in every deck; its a good card but nowhere near an auto include in every deck played

>>53522933
Except Mazirek is better in the 99 of something like Atraxa or Ghave. Meren is outright a lot better if you're doing graveyard shenanigans.

>>53522102
Fuck you, hands off my Nykthos.

>>53523359
I could see an argument for keeping it unbanned just because dark ritual isn't as much of a problem

>>53523313
Where in my post did I say anything about quality? A game where someone combos off with a good opening hand has just the same quality as a game where the gruul player finally beats everyone down. It all just comes down to the final result anyway, winning or losing, the fun part is seeing all the different ways that can happen.

>>53523374
In an environment without Sol ring I would imagine it would be played in a lot of multiplayer decks
Granted I only own one and it's in my 5c basic land deck idk if I'd ever put it any where else

>>53523416
What? Are you retarded or something? Stop replying to me. Here's your (you) you fucking baiting retard

>>53523279
>commander tower
>maze of ith
"no single land"

>implying sol ring goes in ALLL decks
>forbidden temple

>>53523313
point to me on the doll where being wrong hurt you

>>53523453
>Implying theres a single deck that doesn't want to play Sol ring
Even my 5 color deck that plays mostly charms plays Sol ring is just too good to pass up

>>53523449
How is my explaining that I have a different way of measuring the quality of a game than you do bait?

>>53523488
i-i do it so everyone else s-should

>>53523374
yeah it's in about 25% of decks on edhrec

while sol ring is in 78% of decks

>>53523488
Kataki, War's Wage, Stony Silence/Null Rod users

>>53523500
>>53523453
There is not a single deck in existence or that will ever exist, that does not already have Sol Ring, that wouldn't be instantly made better by adding Sol Ring.
This is objective truth.

>>53523424
it would get played more, but its by no means a functional replacement for sol ring; if we just decide to never ban cards that warp the format because "somthing else will replace it" then why do we even have banlists? why ban anything if people will use a new card to replace it? its a false dichotomy that if we ban sol ring EVERYONE will replace it with a different slightly worse mana rock and the problem will just be slightly less of a problem which even if that were true would still be an improvement over the current situation where you're playing a format that is 1 commander 1 sol ring and 98 other cards as the rules of building a deck

>>53523384
So slow though

>>53523500
What is one situation where Sol ring would make a deck worse?

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>>53523527
>This is objective truth.

>>53523527
according to edhrec sol ring is only in 76% of decks
"every deck"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb2umHrO4Ws

>>53523527
i have two decks that don't run sol ring but it probably wouldn't hurt to add it. i just don't for the sake of mixing it up.

>>53523489
Because the end result of a game of EDH is not the measure of its quality. It's the shit that happened from start to end.

>>53523521
It's still better to include it even if you just ramp into it faster
Plenty of t1 decks use these cards every. Last. Single. One. Still plays the full complement of fast rocks

>>53523552
>I have no response, so I'll just post a bait meme image and leave it at that

>>53523453
>>53523453
mono colour decks usually dont run commander tower, and plenty of people don't run maze of ith or forbidden temple

>>53523585
see>>53523521 nigger

>>53523569
THIS JUST IN, EDH players are bad at Magic, and sometimes don't include very obvious staples like Sol Ring!

More at eleven!

>>53523569
>Intensionally only reading half of his post
Did you know these Also plenty of commander offshoots that ban Sol ring
Not all of those decks are multiplayer

>>53523569
>attempt to refute point
>then links video supporting point instead

>>53523596
"name me one deck that couldent be improved by sol ring"
or maze
or forbidden

neck yourself

>>53523584
Wrong. It's better to have a card that will be usable throughout the game. Kataki isn't a deck where you try to win turn 3.

>>53523618
>playing non multiplayer
>commander

you are the problem
not sol ring
please leave

>>53523655
>You are wrong because I am dismissive of decks that don't use the multiplayer banlist despite pulling from a site that complies those kinds of decks in with multiplayer decks

>>53523634
Mono white needs rocks one way or another and one rock that pays for two is fine

>>53523695
projecting?

>>53523581
Yes, and I was saying that it's impossible for the shit that happens between start and end to be bad, because variety is the spice of life.

>>53523715
No he's using edh rec

>>53523716
You're hopeless. Fuck off.

>>53523569
theirs no card in any other format with that kind of universal inclusion rate, I get that you like it but its clearly format warping; I know it feels really good to turn 1 a sol ring but its actively a determent to the format

>>53523776
It's not the inclusion rate
Command tower despite being an insanely powerful land doesn't warp the format the way Sol ring does.
Sol ring on its face im every meta from crawwurm to ad nauseum is flat out busted

>>53523710
You are arguing for the inclusion of what is essentially a 1 drop artifact that gives you 1 colorless mana a turn. Thran Dynamo/Gilded Lotus are superior options.

>>53523326
what the fuck is sad sam? solemn simulacrum?

>>53523820
I fully agree im just using the inclusion rate as an example of how much it has warped the format;

>>53523836
>what is google?

>>53523758
Hopelessly positive, yes

>people unironically think that EDH is a competitive format
I bet next people will say hearthstone is a competitive game.

>>53523834
While everyone else pays more for less
It's called breaking parity and it's the essence of playing these tax effects

>>53523948
>wanting a banlist that promotes good gameplay is the same as being competitive
>THEM SPIKES ARE TRYIN TO STEAL MUH SOL RING
Wew

>>53523374
Sad robot is a deckbuilding trap. It looks great on paper, but it's only "alright" unless you're abusing it. If it's just a Rampant Growth that cantrips and probably chump blocks some time later on, it's a waste of a card slot. You had better be at least flickering it.

>>53523392
Nykthos isn't banned, because we have no idea how much that thing taps for. It could tap for 0, or 1, or maybe even 2? It's impossible to tell.

People complain here because their shitty low power decks are getting blown out by competitive shit. If you're taking your waifu boros deck against doomsday Zur or leovold and get buttblasted don't come here and start saying shit should be banned. A reasonable person would talk to the other parties and say my deck isn't a tier 1 competitive deck, maybe can you bring a lower power deck? Or just build a stronger deck. My playgroup and I all have some more casual decks vs competitive ones where we don't follow the bans and people run braids for example. Edh is about having fun, stop trying to ruin everyone else's fun to play with cards because you're upset you can't afford a manacrypt.

>>53523987
The card isn't worth its slot in that deck. It would be better to include a mana doubler or something that produced more than a net sum of fucking 1.

>>53524157
>implying I don't own a mana crypt
It's just a busted ass card you retard

>>53524111
Agreed. Although it is an auto-include for any deck with a goblin welder (all red decks).

>>53523540
That's part of playing her: you get your first few turns to setup, durdling around and almost never getting dusrupted because of her slowness then you proceed to start racking up exp while dredging and recurring removal in the form of creatures to keep the table in check and occasionally recurring threats and then win out of nowhere with a living death or rise of the dark realms

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>ban every card over 25$
does this fix the commander?

>>53524157
I own and play a time twister, the problem isnt price the problem is that the format has a broken banlist

>>53522632
Sunforger.

>>53524194
Go play standard or modern if you don't want to play broken shit.

>>53524227
Penny Dreadfull Shu Yun will destroy watherver you build.

>>53524227
Again with the arbitrary numbers. Why not $15? What $20 card do you not want to have to give up?

>>53524168
You wouldn't play mind stone for 1?

>>53524227
thats not how formats work, once a card hits 25$ and becomes banned its price would drop because its no longer legal, making it legal again and causing the price to rise, the banlist would be changing on a near daily basis

>>53524253
The point of EDH was never "wow, let's play broken shit!" It was a home for dollar rares and janky interactions.

Fuck off to vintage you mongoloid

>>53524312
Mind stone can draw for 1, big difference

>>53523025
>Command Tower

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>commander is now changed too
"you can't use any ledgendary rare cards in the 99"
how does this change

Ban all legendary creatures and those 5 planeswalkers you're able to play in EDH.
Start playing constructed instead.

>>53520851
It was a retarded idea from the start to make 1v1 commander 30lp when every other 1v1 highlander variant is played at 20lp.
We had to suffer that unbalanceable shit for 4 years untill the DC committee decided to stop being retarded and now WotC decided to rewing back to 2013 to make the same mistakes again.

At this point I have to assume it's done on purpose to protect Standard's popularity online. Nobody would play that shit if they could 5-0 leagues with Zurgo, Geist, Bruse+Reyhan, Karlov, Queen Marchesa, Baral, Selvala or Narset all for under $300. But having Baral as the unbeatable Tier 0 of their shitty format keeps non chronic masturbators.

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>>53522671

>>53524355
>mono colour decks

>>53524326
No, edh has always been a format for having fun games. Some people have fun playing competitive decks, and should be allowed too. If you want to be a johnny and play with Jank shit that's your right but don't dictate the format for people who have fun in other ways.

>T1 Krosan Verge
>T2 Forest, Sol Ring, Crack Verge
>T3 Mirari's Wake

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>>53524355
>>53524413
Or worse.

>>53521209
I blame wizards for this, not sheldon. If it said basic lands it would be a legal staple.

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>>53524363
Why only the rare ones?

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>playing brand new kinda budget Baral deck (no Polymorph into Emrakul bullshit, just good clean control :^)) against my friend's $700 Karador deck
>get an early Jace, Architect of Thought out
>tutor Winter Orb onto the field via Whir of Invention while he's tapped out
>Ult Jace grabbing his Emrakul, the Promise End and my Ugin

Abzan shitters BTFO

>>53524462
>call yourself competitive
>implying cards like Ring and Crypt don't dilute competition

>>53524333
You are right
Seeing as how it costs 1
This is the power of Sol ring even when it taps for 1 it's still the best non vintage rock

>>53522557
You've got a friend in me. I am sick of every blue deck running it. I refuse to play it.

>>53524583
The context is a Kataki deck. For a mana source, it isn't worth the slot.

>>53524544
>no Emrakul bullshit
>and my Ugin
You cheeky cunt

>>53521628

Obviously your 99 should be waifu tribal. Does red have enough waifuable cards?

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>>53524689
I think you mean Aloha Snackbar tribal. Feldon had a hard life. Sexbots are meaningless to him. His sole purpose now is to spread the misery.

Is there a good iPhone app for decklists?

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>>53522671
Normally I would say this guy, as I never seem to have him and something like greaves out at the same time, so he would just die before my next turn. However last night I actually got to use both of his abilities in the same game before a wrath happened.

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I'm not normally a white player but I decided to make a deck with Oketra to try my hand at something I don't usually do, but there are some things i'm unsure about.

I have a few cards that support an Oketra commander damage strategy, like Loxodon Warhammer, Strata Scythe, etc. despite most of the deck being token focused, and I'm not sure if I should just forgo that angle completely and focus entirely on tokens 'cause it seems like having Oketra be an actual threat instead of chumpblock bait helps while building up a token army, but at the same time I don't know if I could just overwhelm with tokens faster if I didn't have the equipment or anything.

Secondly, since i'm not a white player I don't know a lot of the cool or obscure white tech that's out there. I have a few cards I don't see used often like Oath of Lieges and Eight-and-a-half-Tails, but
I would appreciate if any white players could suggest some lesser known/used cards that I may have overlooked that could help the deck.

>>53524854
protector of the crown + rune-tail, kitsune ascendant = no damage to you + perma-Monarch (barring removal) God Favored General also works well with this.
Mobilization is an alternate way to generate tokens, as is Militia's Pride. Hanweir Militia captain will be an auto include as well as Anointed Procession. Heliod is a possibility if you wanna abuse enchantments with things like Ajani's Chosen/Ethereal Armor.
Oketra's Monument and Mentor of the Meek is obvious

>>53524854
Do you have a decklist to show us?

Without knowing what you already have I don't know how much help I can be.

Building my first spell-heavy deck with Dralnu, Lich Lord and not too sure what direction to go with it. Anybody got some secret tech that will work on a budget?

>>53525015
Doomsday wincons are cheap.

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>>53525015
I built Dralnu thematically around "exile stuff" and "spells matter" type cards. Think Spelltwine and try to make your whole deck like that.

As far as pussy tech goes, I put in Magebane Armor. It saved my ass maybe once and regretted it every other time.

>>53524635
What Mana sources or rather ramp are you going to play in that deck and how is Sol ring, even with the upkeep cost, not worth the slot? I just don't see a build of kataki that has that many decent ramp options that Sol ring becomes obsolete
Every deck needs ramp my friend where would this deck get it

Is it rude to play cards like Felidar Sovereign if your meta is light on removal? Do you have a responsibility to tread lightly over casuals or a responsibility to expose their flaws by exploiting them?

>>53525015
You'll want sac outlets with Dralnu. Stuff like High Market, which doesn't really ask for a lot in terms of dedicated slots. Ashnod's Altar can be spicy, since it doubles as a way to protect Dralnu and gives some fodder to your yard.

>>53524954
>Creatures
Oketra
Twilight Drover
Geist-Honored Monk
Angel of Jubilation
Thalia, Heretic Cathar
Eight-And-a-Half-Tails
Devout Chaplain
Goldnight Commander
Pentarch Paladin
Eidolon of Countless Battles
Mother of Runes
Kytheon
Mentor of the Meek
Angel of Invention
Imposing Sovereign
Soul's Attendant
Mikaeus the Lunarch
Odricc Master Tactician/Lunarch Martial
Soul Warden

>Artifact
Skull Clamp
Strata Scythe
Pearl Medallion
Swiftfoot Boots
sol ring
Hall of Triumph
Slate of Ancestry
Phyrexian Vault
Illusionist's Bracers
Tamiyo's Journal
O-Naginata
Culling Dias
Ashnod's Altar

>Enchantments
Honor of the Pure
Cathar's Crusade
Spear of Heliod
Militia's Pride
Crusade
Divine Sacrament
Glorious Anthem
Oath of Lieges
Anointed Procession
Intangible Virtue
Prison Term

>Instant/Sorcery
Catastrophe
Hallowed Burial
Profound Journey
Hour of Reckoning
Dusl // Dawn
Day of Judgement
Fumigate
Mass Calcify
Disenchant
Secure the Wastes
Revoke Existance
Abolish
Fated Retribution
Armageddon
Rout
Swords to Plowshares
Tragic Arrogance
Return to Dust
Martial Coup
White Sun's Xenith
Wrath of God

>>53524937
Thanks for the suggestions, some of those I had thought of, others not. I'm already thinking of more things I should probably include just from typing this out like Sun Titan and Fell the Mighty.

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What are /tg/'s thoughts on Trailblazer's Boots? I'm thinking of adding it to my Aurelia deck since nonbasics are pretty common in EDH.

>>53525240
Depends on your playgroup, I originally had Price of Progress in my Melek deck with 4~ nonbasics, but it did more damage to me than others more often than not.

>>53525240
2 mana 2 equip unblockable isn't impressive without equipment synergies/tutors in my opinion.

>>53525124
Amassing lands is a better strat for Kataki
artifacts that either double mana (gauntlet/caged sun/prismatic lens), put land into hand/battlefield (mycosynth wellspring/walking atlas) or reward you for entering/leaving (ichor wellspring/terraion/junk diver/myr retriever)are way more reliable than a sol ring.

Standard set EDH tourney coming up. Only rule is it is a card from a standard set and not banned by commander rules.

I need help

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/standard-edh-rashmi/

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>>53522672
I like it
>Start losing to deck X at lgs
>Go to counter and by all copies of deck X's commander
>Laugh at my opponent for using a banned commander

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Who?

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>>53525413
Neither. Feel the pain that is White in Commander 2015.

>>53525413
Karlov if you have a lot of little triggers like Soul Warden or Ajani's Mantra.
Ayli if you want to go Cleric tribal.

>>53525456
>Ajani's Mantra

Disgusting.

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Still wandering if anyone has ideas for my cookie UR and UG merfolk builds

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>>53525439
You make it sound so appealing.

>>53525535
Meant it as an example.
I know it's bad, I just meant if they had a lot of little triggers like that where it's just 1 at a time, but a large number of them. More is better than bigger for Karlov.

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>>53522632
*cough*

>>53525672
Just use Karona if you want 5c merfolk

>>53525764
I am building four decks, I know it sounds cooky and all but I'm doing one of each 2 color combo in blue

>>53522547
Wouldn't this just make lower costed curves even better against things like Kelemne who require mana ramp of that caliber to function? On that same note, tax (or stacks, I don't know the lingo all to we'll) decks get even more difficult to deal with, and the same could be said for land hate strategies as well.

>>53522509
>muh food
Fucking food strawmen are the worst. God damn amerifats.

>>53524227
sure, i hope my deck doesnt get banned because it became too expensive :^)

>>53524854
Play sigaurds aid, sfm, and worldslayer. The deck will form around that.

>>53522112
I think I'll try that next time

>>53522112
This is the most op shuffle rule in the game, I know because my playgroup used to do it.

>>53526515
What do you mean by OP? Is it not fair?

>>53526522
Too much hand sculpting bullshit going on, and we had no problems with sol ring after we changed it. People dont milligan 5 times to get sol ring when they cant go 10 deep every time.

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>Playing at LGS for the first time in forever
>Guy drops a turn one Sol Ring
>Nature's Claim that shit
>Guy scoops and sits there complaining about how his hand wasn't playable without Sol Ring

>>53526886
>>53526886
>>53526886
>>53526886
new

>>53520851
>For what reason do you hate Sheldon the most?
i dont hate him but he seems REALLY out of touch with the format

>>53522811
>Its a strawman because someone has a different view

Not him, but strawmen are not based on viewpoints, they're based on misrepresenting positions. His metaphor effectively says that the banlist should steer people away from the type of cards that cause problems. If that were true they wouldn't have to list all of the Moxen, since just listing one would convey the idea that fast mana is dangerous.

>>53523061
Can you post gatherer link to the card "Lands"? I can't find it.

>>53523061
>>53523326
>>53523374
>>53523453
https://edhrec.com/cards/sol-ring
https://edhrec.com/cards/solemn-simulacrum
https://edhrec.com/cards/command-tower
https://edhrec.com/cards/maze-of-ith

Sol ring: 115847 decks
Command Tower: 89415 decks
Solemn Simulacrum: 38448 decks.
Maze of ith: 10243

Even a rainbow land with no drawbacks isn't as universal as Sol Ring.

>>53523424
Possibly, but we'll never know.

>>53523628
The fuck is forbidden temple?

>>53527488
Temple of the false god?

>>53523527
I'm going to make a deck with absolutely no colorless costs in it just to spite you now.

The mana from Sol Ring will be literally useless.

>>53525194
Casuals have a responsibility to play with removal

>>53525194
My meta used to have a retarded rule where you weren't allowed to attack the same player twice in a row called the "gentlemans rule"

I took advantage of that as hard as I could, any time someone hit me with a creature I knew I would be safe the following turn and dumped planeswalkers or combo pieces knowing I wouldn't need to keep up mana for answers or get punished for overextending.

They abandoned it eventually after I repeatedly pointed out how this rule was forcing already weak creature decks completely out of the meta and how I was taking advantage of it.

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>>53522672
>poorfag spurting bs rhetoric
>happens every fucking thread

>>53522672
so you want pauper edh then.

>>53522662
It depends, in casual its not, but in duel it's very broken.

Also love the pic, great demonstration of how science can be polluted by politics.