Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

>>53483058
These guys were the moment I lost my excitement for the Primaris releases.

Then they almost rekindled it with the Dreadnought and I thought those things were just a hideous fluke.

And then we got better perspective shots of the Dread and it too looks kind of weird and dumb from a normal angle.

I don't think I'll be wasting money on a Primaris army on the side, I'll keep buying shit for my Skitarii and GSC thanks.

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Few new pics of Chodenought.

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>>53483051
How many Primaris marines would it take to bring down this guy?

>>53483089

The three quarters angle is pretty flattering. If it looked like that from all angles I think we'd be seeing less complaint.

Shamelessly reposting my main thoughts on Nid synapse because I was enjoying where this discussion was going when the last thread died;

Well, Swarmlord implies that synapse creatures are sorta "citizens" of the hive mind, in that they have distinct mental patterns and can develop to fill their role in the swarm. Be stored and grown a new body if needed.

But I wouldn't expect the Swarmlord or a random Zoanthrope to be able to hold a conversation, just to have the skillsets needed to fill their role without the hive mind as a whole constantly micromanaging them. They are vectors for efficient multitasking, nothing more.

A Zoan can identify a tank, pop it with a psychic blast and direct some Hormagaunts to eat the crew without needing to stop to poll a trillion of it's friends first.

>>53483114
It's infuriating how it looks really good from some angles but fat and dumpy like some misshapen obese man with a fanny pack from others.

>>53483089
Looks pretty cool from that angle. I suspect a lot of people will up-armor their legs to make them look less top heavy.

>>53483051
You misnamed the thread, should be Warhammer Age of Guilliman General, OP.

>>53483089
>>53483104
if you took the central armored plate and moved it up to cover the coffin slit it would look more balanced and less like a beer gut imo

>>53483058
So happy to not be a Marine player. The Primaris models and the Death Guard models look so fucking bad. The mutants look even worse all them smiles.

I'm laughing now but it's actually got me worried about future model releases. Who knows what garbage they will do after dropping the ball so hard on their poster boys.

>>53483089
How much bigger are those than Contemptors?

>>53483155
I think the Death Guard stuff mostly looks excellent. The few bits on them I dislike can be easily fixed with simple conversions.

The Primaris on the other hand are just awful outside of the basic Tacticus Armour guys.

>>53483084
Seriously, even if the lore wasn't fuckawful, all the bigmarine models aside from the basic bolter guys are trash.

>>53483142
Basically the legs are a little too skinny comparatively. Bulk them out a bit and he'll look great.

>>53483058
I might add a few of these once I figure out what I want to do with my wolves.

Still can't choose a great company. I'm torn across Blood Maws, The Sons of Morraki, Death Wolves, the Storm Wolves, Drake Slayers, Black Manes, Fire Howlers, and Grimbloods.

Things shall get loud eventually, hopefully.

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>>53483058
The backs sold me on these guys.

>>53483184
The plasma guys look good too but then they're literally just the basic guys with a different weapon... also the "all members of a squad have the same weapon" shit really bothers me, I want to take a squad with 3 bolt rifles, an auto bolt rifle and a plasma incinerator so they can feel tacticool and shit. Why would they dumb it down so hard?

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>Primaris announced
>Intercessors and Hellblasters look great
>hear current marines can be "upgraded to Chads
>talk of current marines being phased out
>ohshit.webm
>see Inceptors and Captian in Gravy armor
>wtf
>see Chadnought
>mfw no longer concerned marines could be replaced by this shit

>>53483213
Looks like Taushit, not gothic Imperial design.

Moreover a model looking better from one angle doesn't justify it looking like total shit from the front.

>>53483204
That's it, I'm going to start emperor's children for 8th.

I've already picked up a bunch of random models on eBay.
Lots of chaos marines
Cultists
Two damaged old obliterators
Sorcerer termie

I'm going to pick up some cheap as fuck terminators, a rhino and but a start collecting kit and no one can stop me.

>>53483263
seekers, daemonettes and a herald too!

>got back into the hobby for 8th
>playing Tyranids/GSC
>probably eventually gonna get some Imperial Guard allies for my GSC
>mfw thinking about the 200+ MINIMUM troops that I'll have to paint between Guard, GSC, and Tyranids

Should I just kill myself now?

>>53483239
>>Intercessors and Hellblasters look great
>bland armor without any details
>monopose
>looks great

>>53483295
Just pick a simple paint scheme. You don't need to fully edge highlight every trooper.

>>53483295
Kill like 1 cc of your body a day. You'll get there eventually.

>>53483304
>>bland armor without any details

They're basic troops.
Tactical Marines aren't caked with shit either.

>>monopose

They're starter set models.

>>53483304
Only the ones in the starter set are monopose you dumbass. They're getting a real multipose kit after the edition launches. And their armour has more detail than the existing Tac Marines, and is still compatible with shoulder pads from the conversion kits.

>tfw play blood angels and sisters
>tfw there isn't a big enough JUST to represent me

>>53483089
If it were long range fire support dreadnought I could have understood that frontal armour. But the fact that it's suppose to punch stuff in melee with half a Rhino under its chin is just stupid, it can't see anything right in front of it.
There could have been a way around that if there were some camera's attached under the front, but there doesn't even seem to be a single lens anywhere on the model.
And then those skinny legs and tiny feet !

Real shame, because the powerfist looks amazing. Too bad the model attached to it looks like trash.

>>53483199
Make your own.

>>53483216
So they aren't a straight upgrade replacement for regular marines. If you want flexible and tactical you use marinelets. If you want to flex and say "brah" and "do you know who my father is?" you play primaris.

>>53483347
>Blood Angels get massive amounts of Primarines
>just

I don't get it.

>>53483155
The mutants are fucking adorable>>53483166

>>53483216
They've gone back to the old heresy days of special weapon squads it seems

>>53483166
Leviathan size, a bit shorter but wider.

>>53483336
>They're basic troops.
So what?
Also, captain too doesn't have any interesting details.
>>53483340
>And their armour has more detail than the existing Tac Marines,
Yeah be cause they are larger, yet still sterile and Halo-tier generic as fuck

Anyone got the rules for the plague marine lord with the bell and the sorcerer?

>>53483369
>If you want flexible and tactical you use marinelets.
Marinelets look like shit which is why I don't play Marines now. I was considering starting them with the Primaris as a small side-army but if there's only one good looking unit in the whole force then fuck it, I'll stick with my main armies.

>>53483275
I already own the daemons so I guess they can babysit, assuming they don't become terrible.

>>53483403
Yikes. They must pack some serious rip and tear.

>>53483353
Oh that's a good idea. is there a generator?

>>53483084
That's pretty much my feelings on it. At most, I might use the basic infantry versions for something, but honestly I'm kind of relieved.

>>53483421
>>53483369
Oh my god.

Primaris marine squads are space marine aspect hosts.

Where did blue boy pick up this idea from?!

>>53483450
Space marine legions

>>53483111
Not enough.

>>53483435
Sorta.

No weapons really bigger than a normal dread but they suck tons of small guns on it.

>>53483348

It's the same fists Kastellan robots have.

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>>53483412
>So what?

So basic troops don't come with lots of extra shit on their armour.

>Also, captain too doesn't have any interesting details.

He's got as much as most generic captains.

>>53483403
>Leviathan size
Wait, what?? They're that fucking big? Jesus christ I just wanted a slight upsize from a normal dread.

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>>53483089
>Missiles out the ass
>dat minigun
>dat underslung mini-minigun

Release this shit already GW, Im buying 3!.

>>53483450
More like make tau obsolete
Gonna make all aliens irrelevant

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>>53483104
GW is doing transformers now?

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>>53483506

Clearing up some confusion from the end of the last thread.

There will be free pdfs of the current armies.

>>The free PDF version of the following books will be sectioned up among faction lines, but the paper ones are going to be the mashups listed below.

Armies of the Imperium: Exactly what it says on the cover, a splash of lore and datasheets for every imperial unit in the game.

Armies of chaos: The spiky version of the above.

Armies of Xenos: Split up among proper faction lines (Eldar, Tau, Necron, Nids), and containing datasheets and rules for the rest.

A galaxy in flames: Art and fluff book. Brings everyone up to speed on the setting, pushing the story forward by a few weeks and setting up the opening of a AoS style narrative campaign.

Can I take a librarian dreadnought from the blood angles, slap some black paint on it, and field it with my deathwatch army? You can play as one in the dw rpg. So I guess that makes it sort of cannon lore wise. But I was wondering if it was legal to field on the table.

>>53483500

Those marines look so much better in my opinion.

>>53483530

So I only need to pirate the points costs?

>>53483530
>no Orks or GSC.

Poor sods

>>53483540
>But I was wondering if it was legal to field on the table.

It is, in 7th it makes your army unbound and in 8th you substract -1 Command Point to your army.

>>53483104
If you squint you can almost see a deffdred.

>>53483545

I know, right?

I have nothing against the look of Mark X armour, but the physical models look really awkward with their more realistic proportions. It doesn't fit the art style at all, makes them look like gangly legged tiny headed weirdos.

what are the rules for reserves?

do we have epubs for the gathering storm?

I am extremely happy that Primaris Marines, while good - do very different things.

I was worried that there would be super duper assault marines with giant fucking eviscerator chainswords that would make my assault marines and death company redundant.

>>53483540

Perfectly legal! Just pick faction Astartes or faction imperial instead of faction deathwatch.

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Lets see if you stupid fucks can redeem yourselves.

Gork or Mork?

>>53483505
sauce on that hentai

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>>53483089
>>53483104
It's funny that GW is putting so much effort into making their stuff more generic.

Looks like it should be a third party model.

>>53483578
Anon these are the shooty Primes
Wait for the punchy Primes wielding 2 Eviscerators !

>>53483578
Just wait.

>>53483574
>what are the rules for reserves?
Different for every single unit. Anything with the ability to start in Reserves and arrive will have specific bespoke rules for it on their datasheet. You can no longer keep things in Reserves that don't have a rule that allows them to.

>>53483578
Could you post this in every general for the next 2 weeks? People are still having issue understanding they are not a replacement for current marines. They are just a different option.

>>53483540
Yes. But you may miss out an a few army bonuses a truly specialized DW army would have.

The new dread looks great, sorry that you guys hate the new style but so far I'm hooked on all of the new models.

>>53483590

Mork, because he's implied to be the goblin god whilst Gork is the orc god.

Man, 40k needs much more variety in grot units, you could easily run a fun and diverse solo goblin army in fantasy.

>>53483578
Assault marines are already redundant on account of assault being shit.

>>53483621
Eh, I already have a Tau army, so I don't really want a second one.

>>53483608
doh! should be a reply to>>53483578

>>53483574
No more than half the army. You choose the turn they arrive. Anything that doesn't show up by turn 3 is considered destroyed.

>>53483633
First of all, PLAY WITH LOS BLOCKING TERRAIN

secondly, if you make the charge you will butcher the other unit

Assault is supposed to be high risk high reward

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The first boy of the new and improved Purple Moon clan for the new edition, ready for stompin'!
How's he looking? First Ork I've painted since back in 5th edition

>>53483104
I wonder how strong they'll be in lore. I'd put my money on them easily putting down a Castraferrum or a regular Contemptor. Leviathan or a Contemptor-Achillus could probably stand toe to toe with them.

Probably cost about as much as a Riptide points wise if it's abilities fall between Castraferrum and Leviathan.

>>53483604
I'm guessing assault Primaris marines won't be using those weird hover jump-packs though. Those look really awkward to try and do close combat with.

Honestly, I'm kind of hoping assault primaris marines are on foot. Give them boarding shields and huge chainswords or something cool.

>>53483621
If I wanted third party or Tau models, I would buy those.

Hence my problem with the dread and some Primaris. Way too generic and Tau looking

>>53483104
While I hate the bigmarines, that dread is breddy gud

>>53483633
Hidden sergeants will help marines of all varieties a lot in assault.

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>>53483652
And a back shot

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>>53483652
I like it, anon. More Ork players are always a boon for the community.

>>53483669
You allocate wounds, anon
Sergeants lead from the front now

>>53483660
Compare a tau battle suit to the dread, it's not really the same at all.

The plasma cannon looks similar but that's literally all.

The new power fist is directly ripped from the adeptus mechanicus robots.

If the dread looks like anything, it looks like the robot from robocop.

>>53483633
If they can still re-roll their charge distance, they'll be pretty good at assaulting from deep-strike.

>>53483652
Looks like a solid tabletop quality Ork. Stick a black dot of paint on his slugga muzzle.

>>53483647
>if you make the charge you will butcher the other unit
>s4 ap-
Good laff m8

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Today was a good day, tg.

>>53483655

I bet a leviathan would tear their ass several new asses in hand to hand. Levvies are kinda presented almost like a Eversor who happens to also be a two story fridge.

>>53483682
Would allocation is done entirely by targets choice.

Why are people saying assault sucks?

Orks and Nids are fucking scary now.

>>53483684
>Compare a tau battle suit to the dread,

>Curved shoulderpads
>Boxy main body
>Thinner legs
>Tiny feet with 3 toes

Looks pretty similar to me. Sort of like if you took a Broadside, scaled it up, and gave it the gun of a Ghostkeel.

>>53483699
Please tell me they all exploded and killed each other.

>>53483694
Dude, I'm thinking in terms of my Death Company which can take chainswords for extra attacks and get to fire their pistols in assault. They can also load up on all sorts of power weapons. So yes, they will butcher whole units.

>>53483089
>>53483104
>>53483084
>>53483058

Love the proportions and rules for primaris marines. Hate their hover infantry and hate the dread.

Oddly enough, I think the contemptor and leviathan dreads for the aesthetic of the primaris marines better than the redemptor. would have been happy if primaris marines just had regular jump packs, just sized appropriately with maybe a little more detail like thrust vectoring paddles by the thrusters or something, not how they are now.

>>53483684
People are just being retards. A plasma gun looks like another, different plasma gun ! Everybody act suprised !

>>53483506
Oh our next update is coming soon blue boys and you'll get blue balls once again for our superior weaponry and technology.

>>53483705
Now I kinda want to see a Titan sized NuLeviathan just running through forts, screaming incoherently, and wearing lesser Dreads on it's belt.

>>53483714
>now
We're still in 7ed boyo and assault is shit. It's only speculation that new edition Orks and Nids will be hard to deal with.

>>53483714
Because people are retarded, the only reason assault sucked in 7th was because the ways to get into assault were limited so only the hardest and fastest shit could get into assault, now the restrictions are lifted and you can assault from anything. Assault is good and the armies that used it are better because of it.

>>53483722
Sorry to break your bubble, but they have 4 toes just like boxnaughts.

>>53483755
Yeah. The fact that you can assault from any transport as well as deep-strike fixes a lot of the problems assault had.

>>53483714
Autist must hate. The wont even try assualt before hating it.

I did some playtest today. I had an IG infantry squad charge a tactical squad. I killed 3 on the charge, and made the marines fail their moral test, lossing 2 more. was it luck? Sure. But assault is now fun.

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>>53483089
>>53483104
>>53483058
>>53483213
Is Cawl a Mary sue?

>>53483738
This now makes me mad that i decided to model a boltgun on all of my Death Company.

>>53483600
I unironically like that model more.

>>53483767
I don't see it in >>53483104 or >>53483089

Unless it's really small, but then that's just a matter of them both having really weirdly small heels.

>>53483772
Yes, and Yvraine is one too.

>>53483089
if you put the shoulder armour on its shins, it might not look like a lanklet

those tiny fucking feet are also a problem

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>>53483794
Take a good look.

>>53483772
Not really, see the failures in FoC. He's closer to Deus Ex Machina if you must throw a trope at it. Still there's always been a sense in the fluff that the Mechanicum is sorta sitting on it's ass atop a pile of technology but too hidebound to actually do anything but horde and keep doing the stuff they agreed to 10,000 years ago. I guess this is what happens when you get a radical archmagos.

>>53483738
>which can take chainswords for extra attacks
That literally just lets them have the same attacks as before since you no longer get +1 for having two CC weapons or for charging.

>>53483155
If you're not any flavor of marine or at least Death Guard player, your faction is a meme. If you're saying IG, they're already in the "can't do anything in GW fluff without marine assistance" camp.

>>53483772
Nah, he's just Kelbor-Hal. All this Primaris stuff has been the result of ten thousand years of Dark Mechanicus research and experimentation. Kelbor-Hal stole it in order to repent for his sins.

>>53483829
looks more like a heel than a toe. Certainly nowhere near the size of the others even if it is.

>>53483682
Can i know the article where this comes from? I see it said a lot and wanna make sure its just not some hearsay.

>>53483600
They think they are improving the designs, but really all they are doing is stripping away what made the miniatures charming to begin with.

>>53483742
It's not just that one thing. There's a LOT of subtle Tau influence in the Primaris line.

>>53483829
They even did the fucking tiny Tau battlesuit heel!

>>53483834
Pistols in CC, Chainsword extra attacks, plus whatever number of base attacks they get.

It all balances out.

A chainsword gets an extra die compared to taking a power weapon, so its still valuable.

>>53483829
That looks more like the Dread just has a single foot, and then two weird protrusions on the side

Still tiny feet. I'm also glad the only thing you could argue against from my list of points was 'number of toes'

>>53483834
Except that they get to fire bolt pistols in the shooting phase while locked in combat.

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>>53483104
Fond of this edit myself
>>53483848
Dude, the rules leaked

>>53483834
You also get the pistol shot. So same number of attacks on the charge and +1 thereafter.

>>53483836
What about Admech?

Goddamnit, it's like some of you just want to shit on everything.

You guys are literally the worst fucking fans of any product ever.

>>53483831
He pretty much BTFO's half of Bjorn's existence as the oldest Imperial alive, but he himself doesn't give a fuck about that and actually does useful things for the Imperium instead of telling stories about how many people Russ sucker punched 23/7.

>>53483860
From what I am reading pistols don't happen in cc. We shoot with them in our shooting phase, against who you are in cc with.

>>53483888
>people generally like the basic Primaris marines
>people generally dislike some of the more weirdly posed and styled Primaris units

>BAAW why you hate everything? Worst fans ever!

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>>53483876
Unless they are Bellisarius', they're also "there".
I did like how they were the only ones to actually win something from Damocles.

>>53483860
Pistols in CC will almost never come up since you shoot them in your shooting phase, not the Fight phase

Before: Model with 2 base attacks, pistol and chainsword - shoots pistol, charges into combat, gets 4 attacks
Next turn, it gets 3 attacks
Next turn, if it's STILL in the same combat, it gets 3 attacks

Now: Model with 2 base attacks, pistol and chainsword - shoots pistol, charges into combat, gets 3 attacks
Next turn, it gets 3 attacks
Next turn, if it's STILL in the same combat, it shoots its pistol, then gets 3 attacks

So AT BEST you get the same number as before.

>>53483744
Not complaining but what update

>>53483893
Bjorn isn't even really thaaaaaaaaat old when you consider he's constantly in stasis and only woken up for big events.

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>>53483848
Link is in the OP. Here's the wound allocation rules. Fight phase says do it the same as shooting. So it's fully under defender's control out of the target unit. No ranges/los/nearest. Sergeants and other special dudes are fully hidden. Characters are a seperate "unit" so they can be targeted normally.

>>53483888
It's different people complaining about different things.

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>>53483902
Nope, you get to keep firing them at any enemies within 1 inch, whereas other weapons like rifles cannot fire at anything within one inch.

Pic related

>>53483888
Go suck corporate dick elsewhere, thanks.

>>53483699
Gotta love the sound of guns

>>53483723
Unfortunately, no. My raptors did explode a predator and my Hellbrute exploded a russ. I blew up a razorback with my Dreadclaw, the other with my Havoks, and my partner blasted the Chimera.

>>53483934
That's what he just said

Models within 1" = models you are in CC with

You still shoot them in your Shooting phase which takes two full Fight phases to come around

>>53483934
How many models will be within 1" that you aren't in an assault with?

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>>53483947
Meant to post pic fml

>>53483941
You can fucking quit any time you want if the company is doing such a horrible job.

>>53483888
I don't see people shitting on everything, I see people shitting on shitty things. Within just the past few months there's been plenty of praise given to the good releases.

>>53483902
Yes. There are pluses and minus to that, they'll strike first, but only during your turns.

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>>53483831
>radical archmagos
serf, bring me my greenstuff and ten thousand labourers

>>53483902

No, you shoot them against the nearest unit.

If you have 10 guys in close combat and two of them are closer to a buncha Grots than the Orks you're fighting, those two pistols have to shoot the Grots.

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>>53483928
>only woken up for big events.
Isn't there a yearly feast where he is woken up? That would make his purpose even more as "our link to the past" than as an actual warrior. We don't know if Cawl underwent similar stasis pauses, but he comes from the "times of legend" as well.
But he tells nobody :^)

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>>53483920
You know that's a pretty solid point. What does the AdMech think of Cawl hording all this shit, keeping the secrets he must have discovered from them, and generally using AdMech resources for non-AdMech purposes. Rowboat might be important, but Cawl answers to the Fabricator-General of Mars doesn't he?

I just want my inferno pistols and hand flamers to be worth taking again.

I want to vaporize someone's chest cavity with a melta shot in close combat.

>>53483974
If you're somehow closer to a bunch of grots with some of your models after making two turns worth of pile-in moves then you're probably also in combat with those grots

>>53483974
True. I was generalizing a clean fight, with no one else around.

>>53483893
That ship sailed once they decided they were bringing primarchs back.

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>How do we sell true-scale Space Marines to players who don't care or want them?
>>Let's give them their own crunch that one-ups the normal Space Marines in almost every way. We'll call 'em something else, Prime Marines or some shit. Don't worry about the lore, I'm sure we can pull something out of our asses.

>>53483953
DIfferent anon. Then models that are in assault cannot shoot, even if they have pistols?
I thought the big change was they could use their plasma pistols Indiana Jones style as an extra attack immediately prior to the actual punching phase.
Then what are pistols good for?

>>53483962
Or I can not buy into this shit edition and continue to play 40k? Stay mad?

>>53484014
Lol, yeah that works out well for the Fantasyfags too.

Good luck finding players. Everyone I know cannot fucking wait to ditch 7th.

>>53483985
>What does the AdMech think of Cawl hording all this shit, keeping the secrets he must have discovered from them, and generally using AdMech resources for non-AdMech purposes.
He's a 10k year old Archmagos who is now personally travelling around in the entourage of a Primarch that is basically functioning as de facto Emperor.

I'm sure there's plenty of the usual political grumbling and squabbling amongst the Ad Mech but no one has the heft to do anything about it, not even the FG at this point.

>>53484026
I thought we weren't allowed to have any complaints about what GW does, so surely that includes previous editions.

>>53484003
>>Let's give them their own crunch that one-ups the normal Space Marines in almost every way.
So far they've done a shit job of that, though. Marinelets shit on them.

>>53483985
Cawl is one of the most senior members of the AdMech at this point. I imagine he still technically reports to the FG, but has enough authority to indulge his own projects without sanction. Unless he starts building Iron Men or something equally naughty I suspect he's good.

>>53484014
Despite the fact that I agree with your earlier sentiment that we have no obligation to sit here and suck corporate cock, I also agree with the other guy that basically fucking no one is going to play 7th. Regardless of how bad the lore continues to be or the new model releases are, the new core rules are much superior.

>>53484009
You're allowed to fire pistols whilst locked in combat. But only at the closest enemy model.

>>53484041
The shitposter revealed himself as the dumb troll he is huh

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>>53483866
all it needs are tiny little tweaks to not be shit

>>53484003
Buyers get pissed when they cost as much as 2 regular marines and have half the firepower.

>>53484029
>>53484053
I'm somewhat surprised that when Guilliman was shaking up the High Lords that he didn't replace the FG with Cawl.

>>53484072
I'm a different anon entirely, it's just dumb to tell people not to complain about things.

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>>53483530
>Armies of [IRRELEVANT ft Eldar]: Split up among proper faction lines (Eldar, Tau, Necron, Nids), and containing datasheets and rules for the rest.

>>53484068
>fucking no one is going to play 7th

I guess everybody who plays 30k is no one, including FW ...

>>53484045
Something tells me that can change very drastically, very soon.

>>53484076
The only real problem with it is the strange beer gut/diaper which would be pretty tough to remodel.

>>53484014
>>53484026
HH will still be 7th. And it's a more balanced flavor of 7th anyway. Anyone who absolutely can't stand the changes would be best served by just switching to 30k.

>>53484076
Now fix the assault cannon.

>>53483104
I don't know why but this reminds me of an ork walker. But with none of the charm of anything orky,

>>53483694
What the hell are you charging, terminators?

Okay let's see 2d6 to determine when the Company was made?
> (02): Pre-400.M41
> (03): 400-499.M41
> (04-05): 500-599.M41
> (06-07): 600-699.M41
> (08-09): 700-799.M41
> (10-11): 800-899.M41
> (12): 900-999.M41
7 I'm thinking umm... 667.M41

>>53484081
Cawl probably doesn't want the paperwork. Plus I imagine High Lords aren't supposed to gallivant around the galaxy.

>>53484009
What this anon said>>53484072

The pistol and combat rules don't explain pistols well. hopefully GW puts out a combat tutorial

>>53484081
Why would he do that outside of blatant nepotism for making his armour? It's the FG's job to manage and administer the Adeptus Mechanicus.

Rolled 6, 4 = 10 (2d6)

>>53484107
Why not.

>>53484101
nothing to fix, I love chunky gatling blasters

>>53484029
How important is the Fabricator-General at this point? Is he still basically Co-Leader of the Imperium with the Master of the Administratum? If Guilliman told him to start building a new Space Marine fleet at the cost of AdMech forces going without could he tell him to take a long walk off a short pier?

>>53483772
Ignore previous 3 responses. Yes, he's a Mary Sue.

>>53484103
Even guardsmen aren't that scared of assault marines.

>>53484107
What's my Wolf Lord's Origin
> (02-04): Chosen from the Slain
> (05): Fangseeker
> (06): Foundling
> (07): Iron Pilgrim
> (08): Kraken Slayer
> (09): Lone Hunter
> (10): Pack Chosen
> (11): Rune-Marked
> (12): Wave Rider
Can someone Roll me 2d6?

So what's the verdict on Primaris Marines out of Warhmmer Fest?

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>>53484076
You removed a missile launcher? It still looks a bit weird, and can use some kind of nipple-mounted missile launcher anyway.
And you can always kitbash it with 30k's Contemptor Havoc launchers

S-should I continue doing my Iron Warriors guys?

Is a Burning at Prospero good for them?

>>53484152
They have more attacks and can fire pistols while engaged, but we'll have to see points before knowing if they're viable.

>>53484135
The Fabricator General and Guilliman technically have the same rank. The FG outranks him in Mechanicus matters but Bob outranks him on Crusade matters.

>>53484178
Where are they getting more attacks from? Unless they have more base attacks.

Thanks to the anon from the last thread for the photo of the trygon and hive tyrant, I needed to know thrir dimensions to plan my carrying case

>>53484170
They got shit on by the Death Guard in the majority of the demo games played.

>>53484177
It changes nothing.
If you plan to use them in 40k hold off on any new units.
If you are only interested in 30k get some more artillery.

>>53484113
>>53484072
Oh that's nice. Makes plasma pistols and...whatever other pistol options there are, a nice thing to consider, instead of the usual points dump.

>>53484203
I wanna use them for 40k obviously. I'd fuck off to /HHG/ if it was 30k.

>>53484194
Is that a failure on the part of the players, the stats of the units, or an imbalance between forces that came in the box?

>>53484135

The Fabricator General was realistically the person with the most real political power in the Galaxy before Gulliman came back.

Manages all Galaxy-wide forge world affairs, which are their iown integrated but partially distinct sub-empire with it's own standing armies. Favour pulling power is near infinite because of how needed the Mechanicus are.

So yeah honestly I'd assume the fabricator general would be absolutely pissed by some jumped up Astartes freak taking over.

Do we even know who the Fab Gen is in M41?

>>53484207
Imagine what Inferno pistols, and all other pistol flamer weapons, are gonna do in CC next edition

Facing some AdMech with my Tau. I've never played against a full AdMech army. What units have kill priority?

We play casual competitive, so we play to win, but no one's feelings are going to get hurt if a couple of cheese cubes are brought out. I'm running Hunter Contingent (Cadre and OSC) + VX1-0 Drone Net vs WarConvo possibly lead by Cawl instead of a regular Dominus.

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>>53484187
>Implying Guilliman can't outchad the mechapope so he ends up doing his bidding.
Even if he's a mere Lord Commander of the Imperium and ex-High Lord, nobody outranks Guilliman.
Not even the fucking Emperor.
inb4 Ward. I dislike that

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Has GW ever reprinted old transfer sheets? It doesn't seem like it would be hard to do. I want to make a house Griffith detachment but good fucking luck finding the original knight transfer sheet these days.

>>53484135
>>53484187
There are no "ranks" at this level, really.

Guilliman ostensibly outstrips everyone by being a living son of the Emperor, but he's been asleep for 10k years and doesn't have the connections the High Lords and high-ranking Inquisitors do.

If it came down to it, though, anyone trying to say no to Guilliman would have to have some sort of military force to rival the amount of Space Marines and devoted militia/Guardsman (since he made peace with the Ecclesiarchy) he can call to serve him at any given moment assuming the people in between him and the rank-and-file are loyal to him.

>>53483546
There'll be a builder pretty rapidly I'd think, so probably don't even need to pirate that.

>>53484170
They're not very powerful.
Intercessor really only have the firepower of a combat squad minus any special weapons.

Hellbasters are good though, though suffer from a lack of ablative wounds.
Prime Marines suffer from small unit sizes and generally under powered weapons and stats relative to their size.

>>53484215
I've spent the last 8 months fucking people with giant crab walkers and massed marines, but that's just me.

Grab some sexy models, don't pay attention to stats because everything is being rebalanced in 3 weeks.

>>53484230
I'd imagine what volkite does, but 30k is staying in 7E ;_;

>>53484159
6 Foundling....
My wolf lor was found after his village was destroyed by raiders.

>>53484222
>So yeah honestly I'd assume the fabricator general would be absolutely pissed by some jumped up Astartes freak taking over.
A Primarch is not an Astartes

>>53484222
It may still be Gastaph Hediatrix. He was in charge in M36. With Cawl being as old and important he is but not FG it must be someone of similar status.

>>53484237
Which is why I said "technically", although considering how the Admech keeps everything in the Imperium running the Fabricator-General has plenty of sway.

>>53484219
I think the main issue is that the only unit that can kill the Death Guard fast enough being the Hellblasters, and even against those they'll at least have their FnP.

Overall the Deathguard win the resilience game, +1 toughness and FnP against any damage is better than having an extra wound.

>>53484270

Only in the same sense that a Tervigon is not a Termagaunt.

But no seriously, a Primarch is a platonic, in the original sense of the word platonic, Astartes.

>>53484253
Yeah I'll prolly get a burning at prospero box. Then again theres always my deathwatch...

Will Nids be good in 8th?
Will I just spend all my money one booze, blow and hookers?
Will I just add to my 30k army?
FOUND OUT SOON

>>53483530
source for free pdfs???

>>53483084
Well I don't mind them at all.

To be honest, saying just one model killed something for you seems very flippant.

Any news today on 8th?

>>53484329
It's not "one model", it's a whole unit of them that is a core part of their currently very small selection and also informs that other future releases for the overall force could be just as bad.

>>53483860
This. The extra attack makes th chainsword better by a considerable margiin or equal to all power weapons barring power fists against 5+ Save infantry up to toughness 4. And ties the power sword against 4+ save infantry with all toughnesses.

So against hoards it's the go-to weapon.

>>53484329
If you don't like 1/3 of a an entire factions models, that's pretty offputting.

>>53484349
Power weapons got hit pretty hard in 8th.

Has anyone got the epubs for Myriad or The Keeler Image? I know someone had the Summer of Reading collection and linked Blackshield at some point. It's very hard to find any of those Summer of Reading 2016 books online.

>>53483590
Gork, don lissen to dese weedy grots, Mork aint got nuffin on Gork.

>>53484257
(02): Eldar Slayer
(03-04): Enemy of Chaos
(05): Inquisitor's Thorn
(06): Lion Tamer
(07): Lost and Returned
(08-09): Ork's Bane
(10-11): Savior of Man
(12): Scourge of the Thousand

By the way the generator I'm using is found here
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/289124-space-wolves-great-company-creation-tables/

>>53484369
They actually got better in terms of killing power. It's just that assault got hit hard by losing the bonus attacks for multiple weapons and for charging.

>>53484369
Hard good or hard bad? Because I find power swords not being utterly useless against terminators a good thing.
But you do make a good point:
It's not that power weapons got nerfed, is that everything else got buffed a lot, especially power fists going first.

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>>53484369
>>53484389

Here's a quick rundown, pic related

>>53484406
No more bonus attack for two weapons and charging made the difference between assault and non assault units smaller.

>>53484387
Inquisitor's Thorn
Inquisitor's Thorn: Since the First War for Armageddon, the Inquisition and the Space Wolves have stood on the razor's edge of war. While engaged in other matters, you saw a chance to show up the Inquisition and make them look foolish. Though you may be called to account for your actions against them one day, your deeds won uproarious laughter in the halls of the Aett, and even a rumbling chuckle from Logan Grimnar himself.

>>53484323
blood of kitten leak compilation.

>>53484418
>>53484406
>>53484429
>>53484389
>>53484369
>>53484349

Forgot to mention, my table, green is best of all, and yellow ties one or more other weapons but isn't best.

>>53484406
Losing the bonus attacks makes them a much less attractive option. I'd have liked if they kept two melee weapon bonus at least so there'd be a reason not to always take a pistol.

Rolled 1, 4 = 5 (2d6)

>>53484430
CANIS GENE-SEED PURITY
The Space Wolves' gene-seed is tainted (or blessed) by the canis helix, which grants the Sons of Russ superhuman senses (even for astartes) and a predator's ferocity in combat. But sometimes an initiate's wolf-blood burns white-hot in his veins, leading to subtle mutations and in rare cases the curse of the Wulfen.

(02-07): Pure
(08-09): Mean
(10-11): Savage
(12): Feral

>>53484449
All models can split their attacks between different melee weapons as they see fit, which seems neat. Wonder what having two lightningclaws will do though (hopefully even more RIP AND TEAR)

>>53484429
Except basic melee weapons still give an extra attack. If anything it made the difference more pronounced, since now something with 1 attack will have twice as many attacks on the charge as something without that chainsword, wheras before it was only 50% more.

It makes the cc weapon matter more if you can't make up for it by charging.

>>53484441
>>53484418
Commendable numbers, anon. Will you do power fists soon?
>>53484429
I'm glad chainswords have a reason to exist now, instead of being the poorman's powersword. Power swords didn't NEED the bonus attack.

>>53484439
no good source on the free unit dataslates then

my money is on gw making you buy the books

>>53484449
I mean, you could always take a chainsword or equivilent alongside the real weapon if you want a dedicated CC thing. You just miss out on the pistol, which honestly doesn't do that much any more anyway.

>>53484456
Pure: The rough edges you had as a Blood Claw have been worn smooth with time. You bear all the savage nobility of your Chapter, tempering fury with a strong sense of honor. Russ would be proud.

Okay so I started off as someone who came from nowhere that can be found, covered in blood. I managed to make the Inquisition and their bolter bitches look like fools as I showed them up and left them standing around with their thumbs up their asses killing the leader of the pleasure cult, his witch, and leaving it clear the Space Wolves did it.

Plus I've managed to mature past my wild side days so I value ranged combat as much as CQC.

>>53483888
The more passionate a fan base the more complaints changes receive, in my experience.

>>53483922
You still profit the pistol shots in combat in the other rounds after the first.

>>53484480
Lightning Claws will probably be the one weapon that gets extra attacks if you have two of them.
Might be some similar weapons in other factions.

>>53484509
what?

Rolled 6, 5 = 11 (2d6)

>>53484502
WOLF LORD FLAWS
If you rolled Mean, Savage or Feral on the Canis Gene-seed Purity Table, your Wolf Lord has developed a personality flaw that makes him difficult for the other Space Wolves to get along with. Sometimes this flaw can be beneficial, other times it can be a detriment to you and your Great Company.

(02-03): Brazen
(04-05): Crude
(06): Demanding
(07-08): Loner
(09): Rune-dependent
(10-11): Stubborn
(12): Suspicious

>>53484527
Lightning claws themselves may actually just end up having a lower AP than power swords and instead being an extra attack version of the power weapons.

>>53484449
>>53484491
you still fire pistols before charging

and if you survive combat you get to shoot your pistol into melee in the shooting phase


since chainswords get +1 attack this pistol shot is effectively an extra 0.5 attacks compared to the current edition

removing two-weapons adding an extra attack buffs stormshields and two handed weapons

>>53484545
>>53484502
>>53484456
Can you guys not do this chapter generating shit in the general thread? We usually have separate threads made for those.

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>>53484482
Yeah m8... I've done all CC weapons released for 8th so far, but I haven't applied conditional highlighting to powerfists or big choppas since they do more than one damage and therefore aren't comparable unless you're comparing points/wounds, which I haven't done yet because we don't know all the points yet, and the points also vary by unit sometimes too. So power fists do d3 wounds or an average of 2 per roll.

See pic related.

>>53484558
That's fine for a chainsword, but power weapons are making far less attacks than they used too.

>>53484558
Yeah, but if you give most HQs a chainsword equivilent alongside their powersword, they'll still have a grenade to toss in many cases, and if you've put that much focus onto making them a CC monster, the combat isn't going to last long enough for that single extra pistol shot to matter.

If it's a matter of having the person choose between a power sword and chainsword, or a power sword and bolt pistol, I think the former is better in most cases.

Requesting that picture of the dark angel with crying wojak eyes

>>53483104
Fellas u in the club and this nigga slap ur gfs ass, wyd??

>>53484556
>lower AP
Why though? Just make it a powersword that can be dual wielded.

>>53484545
>>53484561
That's all me. But sure I can take it to a new thread.

>>53484582
>>53484588
and yet as anon has proven >>53484569 power weapons are still good
except now chain swords are good too, just look at those break points

every weapon excels against different saves and toughness combos

Chainswords excel against slaughtering hordes and struggle against tough durable armour and high toughness (with some odd breakpoints where sheer attacks can blow through high toughness low av)

ALMOST LIKE IT IS IN THE BOOKS

>>53484558
>since chainswords get +1 attack this pistol shot is effectively an extra 0.5 attacks compared to the current edition
No it isn't.

Current edition:
Your turn: 1 pistol shot + 1 attack base + 1 attack for pistol/ccw + 1 attack for charging = 4
Opponent's turn: 1 attack base + 1 for pistol/ccw = 2
Your turn: 1 attack base + 1 for pistol/ccw = 2
4+2+2 = 8

New edition: Your turn: 1 pistol shot + 1 attack base + 1 attack for chainsword = 3
Opponent's turn: 1 attack base + 1 for chainsword = 2
Your turn: 1 pistol shot + 1 attack base + 1 for chainsword = 3
3+2+3 = 8

So it's the same as before except less front-loaded, which is strictly worse for you unless you're packing a plasma pistol, and even still that might be worse than getting an extra attack in the turn you charged.

>>53483104
I know what it is that looks off now. Old dreads had 'shoulders' that were big and bulky like everything else in 40K. Aside from that, not bad. Not great like some of the FW Contemptors, but not bad.

>Also...
Frankly, whenever I tried picturing in my head how the old Boxnaughts walked it looked silly as hell.

>>53484588
Hmmm ... If you give a Captain a Chainsword and a Powerfist, and have him make one attack with the Chainsword and the rest with his Powerfist, he would still get 2 Chainsword attacks.

I foresee a lot of captains having chainswords in addition to a killy melee weapon for mowing down chaff units.

>>53484614
>Why though?

So it has a purpose outside of just being a slightly better powersword if you take one, and then forcing you to buy a second if you want extra attacks?

I'm saying make it AP -2 or -1 like the axe or maul, but +1 attack by default. Then you can buy a lightning claw, and it serves as something weaker than a power sword, but something that allows you to attack more quickly. This fits what a lightning claw is.

Then, if you take 2 lightning claws, it's even better, since you're getting 2 attacks. And then you can keep the points in line with other power weapons easily, instead of needing to make it cost as much as a power sword while only having a benefit if you buy 2.

>>53484627
>getting a free shooting attack while locked in combat isn't a bonus

>herp derp

in current editions when you're locked in combat you skip your shooting phase.

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>>53484614
Yeah, a power sword with +1 attack with the new rules would make lightning claws monsters in close combat compared to other power weapons.

See pic related.

>>53484658
lightning claws will probably be re-roll to wound

can you post your spreadsheet for us to dick around with?

>>53483888
Mods PLEASE make this the new banner for /tg/

>>53484655
And in current edition you get a bonus attack when you charge which more than evens that out, as I literally just did the very simple fucking math to demonstrate. Not to mention that only comes up if you fail to kill your opponent in two straight fight phases. Are you mentally deficient?

>>53484569
>>53484418
Help me read these charts. I see the save on the ordinate and toughness on the abscissa, but what are the numbers representing. Intuitively I would guess expected wounds, but they should all be much lower numbers than those presented.

>>53483403
>>53483089
> Basically looks like a Leviathan but with down syndrome
I can't wait until chinaman starts selling these for 10$ a pop.

>>53484622
That's going to depend a lot on points cost.

>>53484670
Can you use that extra attack on the powersword though?

>>53484658
Jesus christ

>>53484670
>Yeah, but what I'm saying is that nothing stops you from taking a Chainsword AND a Powersword and using that extra attack to attack more times with the Powersword.
...except maybe for the fact that the chainsword rules explicitly state the extra attack is made using the chainsword?

>>53484652
Oh, that makes sense, so it's a -2AP +1Attack Strength User weapon that benefits from dual wielding?

>>53484658
Even without that my bet would have been lightningclaws having -2 AP at most.

>>53484686
right, expected wounds, at the top left the assumptions are 20 models each with 1 attack hitting on 3+ with strength 4.

Once the points start coming out, i'll do point efficiency analysis.

>>53484694
I remembered it wrong. The extra attack has to be with the chainsword. I'd still say it's better for any dedicated close combat unit, since that's an extra attack on each player's turn, instead of just your shooting phases.

>>53484670

Incorrect. Please reference

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2017/04/26/warhammer-40k-8th-edition-leak-compilation/

Pertinent language is

>If a model has more than one weapon, choose which it will use before rolling the dice. If the model has more than one melee weapon and can make more than one attack it can split its attacks between these weapons however you wish - declare before rolling any dice,

Also reference

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/19/new-warhammer-40000-close-combat-weapons-may19gw-homepage-post-4/

Pertinent language is

>Each time time the bearer fights it can make one additional attack with THIS weapon.

why are you all talking about points? I'm going to be playing power levels

>>53484715
Yeah, that's the idea. And the benefit of dual wielding is the same as dual wielding chainswords (assuming you had a model that could), it's just that rather than a chainsword, the lightning claw would cost more and have an actual AP value.

>>53484668
Yeah, give me a second. I'm going to make it a little bit more input friendly.

>>53484670
Obviously we won't know for sure until we get full army rules, but I think most wargear options involve swapping like weapons for like weapons rather than having you carry around everything.

>>53484742
Good for you, little timmy

>>53484726
>20 models
That makes way more sense, thank you.

>>53483089
ditch the sarcophagus poking out of the torso for a GK-style terminator head to mesh with the Primaris aesthetic and it would look sweet; maybe extend the top of the shoulders like
>>53483866
too...

>>53484759
I hope not. That would invalidate my Chaos lord who has a Lightning claw and Power fist

>>53484731
You'd be trading your power attacks for it, so maybe not.

>>53484726
>Once the points start coming out, i'll do point efficiency analysis.
We do know a power sword costs 4 points I believe.

>>53484751
So dual wielding is just +2 attacks?
I hope Warp Talons get a little more dangerous with that.

>>53484790
No, you don't trade any power attacks. Reading it over, if you have 3 attacks base, you can make 3 power sword attacks, and the chainsword is extra

>>53484793

We don't know if those points are going to be consistent across all armies though.

>>53484796
That's my hope and idea. If you had 2 attacks base and equipped a chainsword, you would have 3, and then if you got a second chainsword you would have 4. Similar deal with lightning claws.

I'm not sure if AP -2 or -1 would be more balanced assuming they had a similar cost to other power weapons though. I feel like it is the best way to represent the sort of rapid-swinging fighting style lightning claws are shown to have.

>>53484812
You would need to use one of your attacks swinging with the Chainsword to get the bonus one.

So it's 3 power sword attacks or 2 power sword attacks and 2 chainsword atta-

WAIT SHIT nevermind you might be right.

>Each time the bearer fights, it can make 1 additional attack with this weapon.

I guess what this comes down to is whether or not you're allowed to benefit from the abilities of a weapon you aren't using to make any attacks.

>>53484812
Yeah that's not too bad then.

Haven't played since 5th ed and might get back into it.

What changed? What went right/wrong? What army should I play?

>>53484751
So death cult assassins with their dual power weapons are going to be insanely deadly now?

>>53484849
Everything is about to change, we don't even know the half of it yet.

Play the army you enjoy the look of, you're going to spend a lot of time painting.

>>53484841
It honestly didn't occur to me that chainswords would be dual wield-able, I guess it makes sense though.

>>53484850
Depends entirely on how they do them. They might just stick an extra base attack on them.

>>53484850
No, because unlike lightning claws and chainswords, power swords don't have that same wording that says

>Each time the bearer fights, it can make 1 additional attack with this weapon.

My guess is Death Cult Assassins will just get the attacks on their profile increased by 1 to match what they used to have

>>53484849
You might wanna wait 3 weeks and ask again when 8th edition is released. No point learning anything about 7th edition when there's a huge overhaul in a few weeks.

>>53484872
Or "Twin Power Swords" might be a single weapon profile with an added ability or stat bonus.

>>53484870
I don't think there are many models that can do it. Deathwatch is the only one that springs to mind.

By the strict reading of the rules, if you had a model that was equipped with 6 chainswords somehow, that would be 6 extra attacks though.

Not specifically dual-wielding, just the benefit of the weapon.

>>53484902
Any space marine sergeant can.

>>53484881
Are they stuck with swords or can they get axes?

>>53484926
Assuming their options are the same in the new edition, which you shouldn't do.

>>53484886
I imagine most units with baked in twin melee weapons will have them combined.

>>53484948
Just saying it wasn't a rarity beforehand, so GW might still allow you to do it.

>>53484902
I believe that Blood Angels can get dual chains words but I could be wrong

On the note of power and chain weapons how are daemon attacks going to be done?
Specifically how are daemons of Slaanesh going to rend through things? Will they get a flat AP of -2 while Bloodletters get a -1 but are stronger? Or are they going to have an Armor Piercing rule that negates Armor Saves on a to-hit roll of 6?

>>53484972
I think they already said Daemonettes get AP -4 on a roll of 6

>>53484972
If you had read the Chaos Daemons faction focus you would have known that Slaanesh daemons with Rending Claws have -4 AP with each to wound roll that is a 6.

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>>53483599
Is it weird that I want the source too. But just so I can crop out more silly clips like that.

>>53484480
what i'm thinking is, if you have a chainswor by virtue of it coming with your wargear, and you also buy a power sword
let's say on a csm aspiring champion, which has 2 attack, because of the way chainsword is worded
could you do 2 power sword attack, then one extra chainsword attack? because it say : in any fighting phase you get one extra chainsword attack (sic)

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>>53484982
>>53484994
I somehow missed my factions faction focus article.
Okay well I was retarded. Moving on.
Do I only get the Graceful Killers rule with a unit that contains 20 or more models?
Also how will my chariots work, at the moment an Exalted Seeker Chariot is the most dangerous thing I can put on the board and becomes a high priority target for my opponents since it's base 4d6 hammer of wrath hits at strength 4 with Rending is beautiful and I hope it stays just as lethal.

>>53483239
Unless Primaris sales are absolutely abysmal, old marines will just no longer be sold and chads will be the only option.

>>53485022
There's an argument to be made that the weapon's ability doesn't trigger unless you actually use it to attack, but we don't have enough other weapons to compare it to for precedence. I bet this'll be something to see an early FAQ

>>53484240
If you can get a good image of the sheet you can print your own.
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/143757-ye-olde-decal-project/#entry1665629

>>53485047

They will be because bog standard Primaris Marines are not worth their cost when compared to regular marines. Maybe that will change with some form of Primaris codex
but what we know now says you'll take Hellblasters and Inceptors but never regular Primaris marines.

>>53484315
MkIII marines are always good for IW. I'd suggest looking on ebay first though. Lots of people bought BoP sets for the Custodes, SoS while that was the only way to get them and have lots of MkIII's for sale.

>>53485044
I want you to know that if I could reach through your screen and slap you across the face you'd have no teeth in the left side of your mouth

We. Don't. Know.

>>53485097
>TFW you actually know somebody who bought BoP five times only because he wanted five squads of custodes

Some people are crazy.

>>53484389
So essentially power weapons are better on characters, worse on troopers.

>>53485082
Which is funny because right now most people hate the Inceptor models and like the standard Primaris Marines.

So one has good models but poor crunch, another has poor models but good crunch, and almost all of them are considered to have poor fluff.

This is looking like it might be a failure on GWs part.

>>53485117
I know someone who did something similar for the Dread in BaC

>>53484849
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000/

>>53485124
... What is good about inceptors though ?

>>53485082
The only reason I see Hellblasters being useful is the fact that loyalist marines don't have a way to take full Plasmagun squads already.

For Chaos, a team of havocs with 4 plasma guns and a combi-plasma on the champ will get you roughly the same effect while being closer to 28 points each instead of 40. Granted, 6" less range, but the 12 points per model you save can go towards a Rhino to make up for that easily.

Less simple for loyalists though, since I think they need to use Veterans to do that, and they're already 20 points a pop.

Inceptors I'm less sure on, but nearly 60 points for a pair of mobile heavy bolters also doesn't sound great. It feels like you could do that about as well with a Land Speeder and have extra range and durability on top of that.

>>53485124

I was concerned about them from the get go. Messing with Marines is a really risky decision - they're GW's secret sauce, its like New Coke.

>>53485113
I'm asking what people think would happen, it's the 40k general and 8th edition keeps getting teased, I want to discuss what might be happening with my army.
My faction focus article doesn't even tell me what Quicksilver Swiftness actually does, just that it "almost always" lets daemons of Slaanesh strike first. Was that poor wording on the article writers part? Will there be situations where it doesn't work? Do I have to roll to see if I break initiative order?

>>53485154
Loyalist can just take Sternguard who all have Combi-Plasma and effectively be a 10 man plasma squad next edition.

Depending on the points that could actually be a way better, flexible option than Hellblasters.

>>53485147
>>53485154

I think for a sub 150 cost on a 6 wound, M10, T5 model that produces 18 S5 AP-1 shots a turn you'll see them. They're fast and shooty which is a great combo.

>>53485147
They're Burst Cannon Crisis Suits with +1 Toughness and trading two shots for -1 AP.

>>53485168
Do you know what the concept of a teaser is ?

The Faction Focus articles are just teasers. We won't get full info on anything untill release date.

>>53485154
>Less simple for loyalists though
combi-plasma sternguard
who have the benefit of also being able to dip into their special bolts at the same time if they're fighting hordes of mooks

>>53485168
It's almost like we don't fucking know the answers to your questions.

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>>53484582
>far less attacks
One less attack isn't far less.
Oh, wait :^)

>>53485181

They're 6 shots a model so they're not losing any shots - they're actually +2.

>>53485207
It can be if you're going from 3 attacks on the charge to 1.

>>53485173
True, but I'm expecting combi-plasma will get more pricey, and then it's a matter of trade offs since you're only saving a few points in exchange for special issue ammo and not having two wounds. But you're right, Hellblasters are a pretty minor upside in comparison to something you can already do.

>>53485174
Yeah, but you could also get 3 Landspeeders with 2 heavy bolters for about 30 points more depending on costs, which will no doubt have more wounds and be faster along with longer range.

>>53484236
Grav-kataphrons will absolutely shit all over your riptide/surges, beep-boops are tough cookies with a 5++ that reflects fire back at you, rangers handily exchange with fire warriors, vanguards will drown you in wounds, and watch for outflankers with S6 multi-wound melee. Also haywire, haywire everywhere.

>>53485189
I know, that's why I want to discuss it.
>>53485203
Well what do you think Quicksilver Swiftness will do?

>>53485174
Still more points than a heavy bolter attack bike is now.