Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>53477904
First for Tzeentch.

>>53477915
Just as planned

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I want to get into hobby with my friend but he is not sure which army should he pick I have already chose I Nids to suffer with. His top 3 are Eldars, Deldars and Crons. He likes their aesthetics and fluff same so it’s all about hobby-related stuff. Could you rate them 1-5 based on few characteristic?
>Budget
We both don’t want to burn a lot of cash on the start and like most newbie players we want to start with Kill Team, SW and 1k pts games
>Way to expand
Which of these factions grands the most boxed deals and is flexible enough to not spend the Romania government budget when trying to make the list for more competitive games than kitchen table?
>Forgiving for newbies
This goes without saying. We don’t know these armies very well so just want to avoid a „single roll went wrong – game over” faction – if anyone works like this
>The secret weapon
If any of these factions is really bad compared with the rest but it has something special I didn’t ask about but it’s worth mentioning

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>>53477904
It doesn't stop there.

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Side by side comparison says it all.

>>53477939
Stop. Eldar and Dark Eldar.

Those are plural. Do not add an s.

>>53477939
Wait a month. Honestly. We have no idea what Necrons are even going to be about, whether Eldar will still be kangZ, or if DE become amazing. Wait for 8th to drop.

>>53477939
Spikey space elves = best elves, but just tell him to go for what he thinks looks coolest.

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>>53477954

>>53477954
Now show the Seraphim marine's back fins and a coldstar

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why do people bully lorgar
he just preferred creating to destroying

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>>53477875 #
Khorne: hot pepper and blood

Nurgle: shit (what did you expect?)

Tzeentch: that "mystery" flavour companies try to make money off of

Slaanesh: roses and cocaine (with a hint of scat)

>>53477939
First, wait for the Indexes. Second, he should read some fluff and pick the one he loves the most.

>>53477915
>Models can Advance and still fire Assault weapons, but with -1 to hit
>Warpflamers are assault weapons and hit automatically
>Rubric marines can Advance next edition
>Run and burn dustbags

Looks like Warpflamer Rubrics could actually be a viable option

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Does this bundle actually come at a discount?

>>53477964
Fuck, my bad

>>53477981
Mystery flavour is the remains of the last batch of one flavour and the start of the next flavour mixed.

>>53477974

Then why did he destroy humanity?

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>>53477971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQoRXhS7vlU

I want plastic Obliterators so I can start an Iron Warrior force.

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>>53477966
most 40k players aren't raging autists

>>53477964
i lik hte aeldaris, teh drukharis and te innaris!

>>53477962
I really like both dreads, don't bully the Legnaught

>>53477990
>hop in a rhino and scoot T1
>get out, move+run+torch T2
Bad ending: rhino dies T1 and you roll a swarm of 1's for your squad getting out

>>53477974
Because he's a whiny brat.

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I know this has been discussed before, but I need a goddamn answer.

The Cicatrix Maledictum “Was a literal galaxy-shattering event, that has divided the Imperium in half and has ushered in new wars across nearly every world in the Emperor's Empire. So powerful and far reaching was this Warp Storm, that the very laws of physics have begun to fray and the inconsistencies of time fluctuations, once largely localised to larger storms such as the Eye of Terror, have spread across the entire known galaxy. Since the Great Rift's creation, some worlds have felt centuries go by in an instant, while others have been all but frozen in time and still others have suffered constant temporal shifts.”

The vast consciousness of the Hive Mind cannot get through it. Those beyond it cannot see the light of the Astronomican. It ate the entire Fourth Sphere of Expansion. THEY RENAMED THE TOP HALF OF THE IMPERIUM TO IMPERIUM NIHILUS TO SHOW HOW FUCKED AND TRAPPED EVERYONE UP THERE IS.

HOW THE FUCK DID ROBOTNIK GORRILLAMAN GET THROUGH?!

>>53477987
>>53477969
As I said, he likes them all same. We both went through codices, lexicanium and few novels so it's not like we are picking stuff without any research

>>53478006
was an accident innit
>>53478030
no

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>>53477990
>that feel when all you have is the old rubrics and old ahriman

oh well, at least they're painted

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>>53477981

>Scat

Nurglite-tier fetish.

Slaanesh is a connoisseur, she loves the finer things in life like vore, hyper expansion and yonthir.

Oh what, humans haven't discovered yonthir yet?Ha, plebs.

>>53478032
We know there are least 2 rift corridors. But otherwise, I have no idea. Plot magic.

>>53477954
Oh look, they have little cylinders on the bottom! Ripoff!
>>53477962
A missile launcher on the top? How unoriginal.
>>53477971
They're both raising a sword! Even though the rest of their pose is different, it's the exact same pose!

There's legitimate criticism against the hideous designs, then there's this retardation.

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When will they learn?

>>53477962
why are you comparing a leviathan to a primaris dread? what point are you trying to make? this pic says nothing.

>>53478023
>>53477962

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O0El9hSd4Es

>>53478032
>Robotnik
Oj Ty śmieszku

>>53477904
GW must be running out of designes for their guns.

>>53478032
a) Marine power armor. Being a primarch just amplifies it
b) Someone in the Indominus crusade high ups is a chaos agent
c)Ynnari GF let them use webway

>>53477904
It's hard enough being a blue man living in this Imperial galaxy, but now these clankers gotta bite my guns, too?

The blue man invented litanies, but you know who you hear listening to them every day?

>>53478032
Maybe the Eldar loaned him a webway portal.

>>53478032
Gap over by Cadia.

>>53478065

>Beakiebro is pointing his Bolter directly at Cawlcuck's back

>>53478081
*marine plot armor

What are the top 2 or 3 most popular units in each army? I will try to take pictures of the sheets for them when the Indexes arrive. I have trouble with my camera so I think that's the most comprehensive I can manage in one sitting. I can't provide much commentary because I haven't actually played a game or read new fluff since mid-5th edition.

>>53478099
cawl the cuck

>>53478036
Then I'd still advice to wait for the Indexes. Necrons are more durable, so they might be more forgiving, but they also have a higher point per model usually, so each loss hurts more.

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So any word on how vehicle shooting works now? I assume they can shoot all weapons regardless of movement like everyone else, but are weapon arcs still a thing? Or can side mounted weapons shoot in any direction now.

>>53478032
there are 2 corridors you can see
1 near the eye of terror
1 the other side

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how long u think before the next chaos god legion will get models, im hoping for ma emperors children

>>53478065
...I wish they had some distinctive that they come from Ultramarines.

>>53478106
dont know most but for ad mech i think Vanguard, Onagers, and kataphron destroyers.

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>>53477954
>>53477904
What are you implying here?

Word is Primaris suck at Warhammerfest.

>>53478131
octoberish or next year.

So do those that get reinforcements/rebirth also include the Lamenters?

>>53477990
>lmao 10d3 S4 -2 Overwatch
>lmao FREE Mortal Wound
>lmao 2+/4++ unless opponents overkill

Watch them be 25ppm

>>53478131
Its World Eaters. Warzone Armageddon has already been teased as the next warzone, and its been stated that angron is showing up. Hopefully with new ork stuff and plastic steel legion.

>>53478106
For Tyranids please show Lictors and Carnifex

>>53478106
DROP PODS
DEATHWATCH VETS
CORVUS BLACKSTAR

>>53478113
IME Necron stuff is hilarious undercosted for its stats. Warriors are 13 points, Tombblades are 18 pts, Wraiths end up around 40pts each, etc.

What keepa Necrons from t0 is the lack of any long range weapons or droppods. So you have to waddle towards firing range and then hope to sit outside melee range.

>>53478163
>10d3
10d6 actually. Hitting automatically.

No one is going to charge warpflamer rubrics.

why exactly are the orks so obsessed with ullanor/armageddon? or is it just a coincidence that thatcher has gone straight for it all this time

>>53477962

>mfw I realized primaris dreads are literally just boxnaughts that have been retroactively stuck in a new chassis

>>53478190
So, are they now op?

>>53478106
Custodes are by far the most popular unit in Custode lists.

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Thoughts on this shit so far?

>>53478155
Just as planned ;^)

>>53478218
We have no idea how much will Rubric cost. Warpflamers were 7ppm back then when they were worse than standard boltguns, and rubrics have better saves, weapons and psyker compared to standard marines.

However, they seem to be very similar to Primari Marines in power, and those guys cost a lot.

>>53478231
They look neat, but I don't play Marines.

>>53478231
I like the basic marines, will probably get some

The gravis armor and dread don't impress me much

>>53478207
It's where the capital of the Beast's empire was based in the 31st century (Gorkagrod or something). The Mechanicum was supposed to blow it up but teleported it away instead. Not sure why or if it's important to the Orks in the first place.

>>53478231
I like the dread and nothing else, the command structure is alright

>>53478231
Fuck that misleading video, I thought the dreadnought was cooler but it was all forced perspective, the real one has beer gut like the fucking commander.

>>53478155
Good. I'm tired of everyone whining that regular Marines suck compares to primaris when every play test with the leaked rules show otherwise.

>>53478231

Beautifully executed sculpts of garbage concepts.

Might be good for salvaging some conversion parts from/10.

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>>53478231
Better than old marines in every way/10.

>>53478231
I want back my 4th edition.

>>53478131
I'm more hoping for a re-release of finecrap models in plastic.

>>53478231
I like the standard MkX marine armour, but everything else is shite.

>>53478218
Oh shit! You just made the primaris hater squeeze out a few more tears.

>>53478231
I like it, but that is my opinion and some people dislike it.

>>53478276
I know the story of it
>seat of ork empire before the great crusade
>gets taken by horus
>later the beast teleports it to the sol system
>admech teleport it to where it is now and rename to armageddon
I don't understand why the beast made it his seat, and maggie made it his

>>53478231
Makes every other army an army of manlets.

>>53478231
Like the models (except the knobby kneed dread) hate the fluff

>>53478231
The dread looks awful with his beer gut, but other than that they look fine.
I still won't get any.

>>53478304

The armour is pretty cool, but the model itself is scaled wrongly and the lore behind this whole mess is shit.

>>53478231
I think they look cool except for the fucking commander. I mean seriously the jump marines look awesome but the commander ,in the same armor mind you, looks like he as a beer gut and no crotch.

my only hope as a deathwing player is that the primeris terminators look better than the captain.

>>53478159
It's everyone BUT them.

They better fucking make Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Dark Angels upgrade kits like they did for BA Tactics, Assaults and Terminators.

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>>53478231
The Tactical equivalent look great.

Everything else in that pic...I'm not worried about marinelets being phased out anymore.

>>53478231

Foot marines look good

literally everything else is garbage

>>53478337

>As a Deathwing player

You have no need for primaris then.

http://hoardobits.com/cgi/hob/shop.pl?cat1=Bits&cat2=Warhammer%2040k&cat3=-Imperial%20Guard&cat4=>IG%20Cadian%20Command

That website any good? Looking to buy the command squad sniper for my shadow war team but was wondering how trust worthy the website is, also is 7 dollars even worth it?

>>53478317
>laughingtyranidwarriors.gif

>>53478363
Completely agree, the other minis are hideous, it's like they ran out of ideas once they made the tactics.
Also those fucking grins in the JA

>>53478379
That's a good point. Will Deathwing Knights become second fiddle to NuMarines?

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Tank version of the Landraider with a turret?

>>53478382
I dunno about the price, but hords o' bits is totally a good dealer, I've ordered from them a few times now

>>53478231
The basic guys are okay, but I don't like the helmets. The dreadnought and flying guys look god awful.

>>53478404
>stand back Belial, I'll frag that charlie

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What are you guys working on in the closing days of 7th edition?

>>53478415
That is not the proper way to edge highlight.

>>53478424
stop posting this

>>53478151
Ultramarines are heretics who are using reverse-engineered Tau weapons.

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>>53478389

>>53478415
It looks really different

hopefully this means the raider is getting the update it desperately needs as I doubt theyre making an upgrade sprue for a 15 year old kit

>>53478445
I just bought three LRs for my Custodes. Just kill me now.

>>53478404
I doubt it but its always fun to add to your army and you can bet your bottom dollar that the deathwing will make use of primaris terminators when they come out

>>53478424
Just waiting for my Roboute to arrive in the mail. He is my first LoW. Remember back in 98' everyone said a primarch model would never be on a 40k table.

>>53478424
some Emperor's Children with the Betrayal at Calth models

Actual footage of Gravis armour in action;

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ge66o-9k12c

>>53478427
ok

>>53477939
Don't t8k the b8 m8
Just w8 for 8th m8

So, do we know what ATSKNF/Death To The False Emperor do?

>>53478459

>Playing custard without forge world toys

I don't normally use the word cuck, but you're a cuck.

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>>53478439
>nu-GW lorecuck reads the fluff past 4th ed

Wait, they made it sound like all of Leviathan was wiped out

that cant be right

>>53478487
How the fuck can I run FW when there are not any FW Custodes with rules in 40k?

>>53478490
>Tyranid player reads rules past 4th Ed.

>>53478490
>>53478502
shhhh shhh no tears
only daemons now

Wasn't someone going to burn his army during warhammer fest?

>>53478484
ATSKNF makes them fall back instead of losing models to battleshock

Death to the False Emperor turns your HQ into a spawn whenever they kill anything

>>53478187
>Not using Eternity Gate or Veil of Darkness to poof in huge amounts of warriors into rapid fire range.

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>>53478522

>>53478514

P L A Y
L
A
Y

THIRTYKAY

>>53478467
Dont listen to him, he is a faggot.

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>>53478577
you cheeky devil you

>>53478579
Yeah, I'll just tell everyone I play with to go spend a grand on resin armies they don't want.

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Looks like someone got an 8th edition tester up on Tabletop Sim; anyone wanna come see how it works out with me?

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>>53478546
>Death to the False Emperor turns your HQ into a spawn whenever they kill anything

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>>53478516
>>53478577

>>53478618
oh here is the link
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=934920509

I hope they roll back some of the Grey Knight fluff.

I've played them since the Daemonhunters book. I miss them being the weird pragmatic magic marines that mindwiped anyone who even knew they existed.

Not the Big Damn Heroes they are now.

>>53478618
Already did it in my basement, you'll be back in an hour saying primaris are overrated.

>>53478484
ATSKNF is reroll the battleshock and the other is 6s to hit gives an additional attack.

>>53478604

Okay have fun with your army with one infantry unit, one transport and the godawful plastic contemptor.

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>>53478653
I don't really want to do a solitaire game

When are stores getting their copies of the indices?

>>53477939
Budget wise, you want an army which can be done mostly with plastic models, ideally ones available in start collecting, armoured assault or boxed games in order to get the best value. Dark Eldar are a real stand-out option on this front, with the kabalite skysplinter and gangs of commoragh giving you a lot of plastic at a relatively reasonable price.

However, they aren't an easy army to play and are difficult to paint well plus are annoying to transport.

Craftworld eldar and necrons are far more forgiving on those. Necrons basically only need you to understand drybrushing in order to make them look OK. Eldar aren't that easy, but they tend to have relatively few models which makes life a bit easier.

>>53478661
:^)

>everyone makes a big deal out of Primaris Marines
>they get utterly shitstomped 9/10 times in their own starter set

>>53478672
Sucks man. I fear the day my two 40k buddies quit.

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>>53478694

>S-sempai, can I guard the Emperor too?

>>53478621
be real they are going to keep champions of chaos in one form or another

randumb = fun in the eyes of New Games Workshop™

>>53478700
I wonder if it says anything about 8th that they couldn't even balance the starter box.

>>53478700

This seems unlikely, the starter seems hugely biased towards the primaris by virtue of half the Nurgle army being useless plague zombies and the primaris outnumbering the rest of them 2 to 1.

>>53478717
But they have removed like four shitloads of random rolls from the game and we don't even have the full rules yet.

>>53478717
i actually had mixed feelings on champion of chaos because i once had a cultist champion win me the game be apotheosising mid-combat

>>53477904
>>53477954
>>53477971

> taufags are THIS assblasted

>>53478717
I actually liked the idea champions of chaos if they keep it I hope that they at least make it slightly less random and have less of a chance of turning into a spawn.

SoB models when?

>>53478758
I'd like it better if it never had any bad effects and didn't force you to issue/accept challenges

>>53478739

>they have removed like four shitloads of random rolls from the game

What are weapons that do d6 hits or d6 damage

>>53478773
Things we already had?

>>53478765
never™

>>53478106
For orks, I guess it's Boyz, Trukks and Warbikers.

Really curious about Flash Gitz, Burna Boyz and Gretchin / Runtherds though.

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>>53478765
You just had a release.

Wait a few years and give other armies a turn.

>>53478765
Just play SoS, they actually have model support,

>>53478729
>useless plague zombies
/tg/ is really bad at games jfc

>>53478743
One cultist champ of mine won me a game killing a terminator warlord with a 1+ s attack that got from a boon table, i even got him a termi head on a chain for his achivment, let me take a photo of that bastard

>>53478116
Seems to be that weapon arcs are not at all a thing. Basically, stop thinking with any of the old vehicle rules.

>>53478794
I think burna boyz are going to be great. d6 hits might be less than you could get in previous circumstances on a per boy basis, but it was hard to bring 12 flamers to bear before whereas now it's easy. Plus you can get full effectiveness from max range. I'm already bought in and am working on my burna boyz in anticipation.

>>53478729
>6 ppm meat with 5+ fnp
>useless
I don't really know what to tell you, senpai.

>>53478231
I think the regular dudes look pretty nice and I think the dread is ugly in a really good way, but the gravis armor just looks off with that gut, and those fucking assault marines are dreadknight-level retarded looking

>>53478743
I love when that happens. I remember in one of my first games due to some very very lucky rolls my cultist champion killed a terminator Sargent and became a deamon prince.

>>53478231
Love them.

>>53478816
I want to see said Mighty servant of Chaos!

>>53478820
Dont forget that Ork infantry weapons are almost all assault weapons, that means that Orks are going to be running and firing with almost everything.

>Phil Kelly has feverishly been working on new Tyranid models for Hive Fleet Jormungandr leading up to 8th, literally painted up 7 new monstrous creatures in just the past few weeks, talks about how swarms are viable again
He did it lads, he took back nid design from Cruddace

We're going to rape fucking face.

>>53478843
>>53478815
>if they can't kill 5xtheri point cost every turn then it's a bad unit

>>53478794
I kinda wanna see Kans and Koptas the most

>>53478859
The age of the Marine is over. The age of hordes is upon us!

>>53478815

>a blob with a 4 inch move, no ranged option and low toughness gives you problems

And you're calling -me- bad at games? Jesus you should be outrunning that blob in your sleep as you focus on the rest of the army.

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>>53478315
Basically, it gives the orks some goal and sense of purpose rather than just being a random nuisance.

Now they can be meaningfully defeated by the space marines

>>53478843

Ha ha holy fuck how are you incapable of avoiding them whilst killing everything else where is your competence.

>>53478315
I imagine Ullanor basically became the Ork equivalent of Rome.

>>53478315
Ullanor might be the closest thing Orks have to a homeworld.

>>53478859
>Phil Kelly
Please, please let this be true.

>>53478945
Well he was the one who talked about Nids today, and had his on display.

>>53478904
>blob that Advances every turn with the speed bonus from the bell guy, therefore moving faster than your units can move if they also want to be able to fire their Rapid Fire guns
Lol.

But more importantly:
>this faggot thinks he can theorycraft his way out of the fact that the Primaris Marines have lost basically every single demo game of the starter set at Warhammerfest
Fucking double lol

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>>53478858
Yeah, at 50% effectiveness. Other armies actually get a decent amount of firepower with their assault weapons.

Also, does anyone else find it just a little funny that the special ability of assault weapons usually stops you from assaulting when you use it?

>>53478106
Venoms, Kabalites, Raiders in pretty much that order.

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>>53478859
I don't play 'nids but I hope you got a buff.

Fuck Tau and Eldar though.

>>53478974

You mean all those games where idiots kept running their captain straight into the chaos lord guy because le epic duel and getting him hacked in half?

Because that's what was happening in every single fight Duncan checked in on.

Also if the bell guy does have a speed boost effect, he certainly wasn't in that cut down demo battle with four units per side.

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>>53478974
this pleases me.

>>53478415
>Indiana Pattern Land Raider

So how exactly do the Primaris marines work with regards other chapters?
Are they all technically Ultramarine genestock, or are they so far removed from the standard geneseed that they are effectively marines on loan from a new chapter?

>>53479027
> implying the captain shouldn't be evenly matched

Autism is no excuse for anger anon

>>53479038
Mars has collected a geneseed tithe from every chapter for ten millennia.

>>53478959
Have any pics of the kellynids? His fleet givesme boners

>>53478995
>at 50% effectiveness
flamers remain 100% effective, hence my obsession with burna boyz.

>>53478231
I unironically love that Dreadnought.

>>53479038
They use the same geneseed as other marines. It's an additional process which builds on top of the basic marine biology. You can even add it to existing marines.

>>53479027
>>53479027

Are you retarded ?
If you need twice the skill of your opponent just to be on par, it means they are shit.
Are you going to tell me nids and orks could have won most tournaments the last 7 years but its the player who are shits ?

>>53479027
Yes I'm sure the Death Guard were played by tactical geniuses and the Primarines by total scrubs every single time there was a demo game.

Certainly there's no issue with the fact that it takes all 10 of the bolt rifle armed Intercessors, one of their Lieutenants, and the re-roll 1s aura from the Captain on all 11 of these guys, to bring down a single Plague Marine per turn on average, IF the Death Guard player somehow failed to cast his psychic power that gives them a -1 to hit.

>>53479038
They can use other chapters tactics and we're made from the other primarchs Geneseeds as well so they have the inherent defects as well as some new ones

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>>53478859
Imagine being Phil Kelly and having your co-worker, Robin fucking Cruddace, shit on your army for two fucking books.

Imagine going into work for years and seeing this smug cunt ask you if you have time for a quick game.

>>53477993
One thing I've noticed about FW is that their bundles are almost exactly the same, price wise, as buying it individually. There are exceptions, but it seems like they bundle them just for expediency's sake, if you're planning on buying a lot.

so I'm new to painting and I've heard that for infantry, you want to paint the chest and legs, etc. separate from the arms. I don't know how to hold the arms up and prime them so do I just grab some tweezers and prime half the arm, wait for it to dry, then prime the other half or is there some other way I can do all the priming in one go? (Head+torso+legs assembled, and then arms/weapons separate)

>>53479063
They weren't really in view on camera when he did his interview, just sort of in the background.

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>>53478424
Got me a Chinacast Vulkan. Good god there's so much detail to paint.

>>53479107
Best bet is buying a bunch of pins and some modeling clay/puddy and sticking the puddy to the parts that will be glued and pinning them to a base (bottle cap/cork) and priming them in batches (arms/legs/heads)

>>53479083
>>53479084

>Twice the skill
>Tactical genius

It literally just takes keeping your damn distance instead of running into the midfield like a fucking moron.

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>>53479012
Oh thanks for posting that, I fucking love that colour scheme but never knew how it was called.

Lads... I want the non-vanilla Marines to have unique kits for their Primaris. I mean they look much better Red (has anybody photoshopped them as Space Wolves and Dark Angels yet? The 30k paint scheme of Dark Angels would look great on Primaris Marines)

>>53479157
Anon, let's meet up and play a game! What's your name, address and SSN?

>People keep talking about starter demo games
We have any videos?

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So, with the change to Twin-Linking, is this configuration for the Taurox Prime super nasty now?

>>53479173
Thanks boss, I'll give it a whirl.

Also, since me and a buddy are new to the hobby and have literally never learned the rules, will our LFGS' employees be able to teach us the rules, or is 40k not common enough that I'll have to look elsewhere for tutelage. I tried reading through the rules but I feel like I need step by step demonstration to actually learn it because there's so much to learn.

>>53479226
I wanna see the bell boys datasheet desu

>>53478231
The basic infantry look fine. The captain looks fat and dumb. The jump infantry look awkward and weird.

The Dreadnought looks fine from that lower angled pick, but outside of that something feels off with the legs. Probably could be fixed with posing though.

Overall 8/10, will use for Chaos conversions.

>>53477981
Khornate: Oh yes pepper and blood.
Cloying and spicy all in one chug

Nurgle: The sweetness of pus and the acridity of bile, it burns your throat to swallow whilst it slowly and stubbornly inches down your gullet with the sticky consistency of warm shit.

Tzeentch: Raspberry, Apple, Lemon and Artificial Blue, not a blended flavour but all distinctly in quick succession, along with random and violent bursts of static electricity and an ever changing consistency, a crunch then melting, then growing to fill your mouth before freezing hard like toffee, a second of panic before with another jolt it turns into tiny jello bubbles.

Slaanesh: Wine and cheese, like an extravagant fondue, it has the texture of lukewarm salmon but is filled with juices which burst with the unimaginable richness of exotic semi-liquid mozzarella with the tang of white wine and an unbelievable lightness that it's easier to swallow than water, and then the wine sharply changes to red in a heady aftertaste. Your mouth and tongue feel numb and heavy, and the only fix for the bitterness is another bite.

>>53479227
that aint legal is it anon

>>53478424
I'm going to finish up my one of three Imperial Knight and then change to 3 comissars. After that probably 2 squads of Scions.

>>53479093
>le good Phil Kelly meme
Kelly is a biased hack.

>>53478636

Seriously, daemonhunters book is pure kino and is the ultimate litmus test for the 40k "feel"

I love grey knights as mysterious Paladins who may or may not be brainwashed

>>53479235
It can be a bit overwhelming if you're new but the shop keeps at official GW stores can walking you through the rules and are generally super friendly. Not sure about non GW stores but you can bet the players themselves would be more than willing to teach you as it potentially expands their player pool and friend group

>>53479279
Its illegal for few weeks since it seems that 8th ditches LoS-arcs for vehicles.

>>53479054
>>53479079
>>53479089

So they're uber versions of each chapters regular marines? So it won't be too far-fetched to have them in a non-ultra not-firstfounding chapter?

And what exactly do you mean add to existing marines?

>>53479301
Found Cruddace

>>53479319
GW has already shown primaris furries, bangles, and dangles

>>53479309
That can't be true, you're saying sponsons can shoot even if they aren't close?

I'm willing to bet that in the advanced matched rules there will be LOS arcs

>>53479271

The legs are too thin. It's basically a proportion issue.

Like, people love or hate box, contemptor, Deredeo or leviathan dreads, but all four of them have pretty organically proportioned and shaped limbs relative to their torso.

Stubby boxy dread has stubby boxy limbs. Egg shaped body dread has rounded limbs and oversized terminator proportions. Dorito has elongated gun arms, and the torso stretches to match, with bigger feet for stability. Leviathan has big chunky meaty limbs to go with his big chunky torso.

This new guy has a chunky fridge torso and gangly limbs. It's a mismatch better suited to an Ork mech.

>>53479319
>>53479319
Exactly what it sounds like. It's entirely possible to convert an existing Marine into a Primaris Marine.

>>53479319

Guilliman is giving them to every loyalist chapter that will take them and the ability to make them

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>>53479319
Literally every chapter can have them and the existing marines will be upgraded into primaris marines over time.

Is the Knights Companion any good or worth getting before it goes OOP?

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>being Lorgar
Lmao

>>53479279
I don't see how it's not. It's all GW parts except for the wheels, and the only major change is moving the hot-shot volley guns away from the retarded position firing across the doors.

Sure, it elevates the guns a bit but I've never been accused of modeling for advantage, if that's what you mean. It's actually taller than a normal taurox, which makes it harder to hide, so it kinda balances out.

>>53479175
Anon are you a fucking idiot? Do you not play this game? You realize it's turn-based with a huge mobility advantage to charging armies because they can get an extra 2d6" to their threat range that you cannot use to move backwards right? All they have to do is get within 16" of you at the start of their next turn, meanwhile if you stay at 20"-30" you do no damage because your entire army either has 12" guns, 18" guns, or rapid fire guns that want to be within 15" to shoot twice. Your only mobile unit consists of 3 guys with 18" guns while your opponent has a fast moving blight-drone and a teleporting Termi-lord who are going to hem you in and reduce your maneuvering options, and you play on a 4x4 table with obstructions not a fucking infinite plane that allows you to kite forever.

Your posts are the textbook definition of clueless overconfident armchair general retard who thinks he knows """tactics""" and has very little experience playing these types of games.

>>53479324
Cruddace is slightly worse, but this does not make Kelly any better. Horrible internal balance, and unashamed favoritisms for pet armies.

>>53479353
Yeah, that's basically the feel I get from it. I think it would be fine if you had a bit more armor on the thighs so there was space to transition, but it just looks off.

>>53479319
They went meant to be reinforcements to existing chapters and "second founders" to dead chapters but it's assumed that any chapter can ask for them or deny their implementation

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>>53479319
Do you think GW would make supermarines and not have them be buyable by all existing chapters already?

>>53479306
I'll see if I can get my buddy to trek over there with me. Both shops would be alright with us bringing painting stuff and models we bought from them earlier right? (Not the official GW store but I use citadel paints, etc.)

I appreciate the help.

>>53479093
>>53479324
>Kelly
>the Eldar worshiping fuckwit
>good

>>53479301
Kelly's 4th edition Tyranid Codex was objectively among the very best 40k Codexes ever written for any faction regardless of your personal biases. I would rank it as second place, right under 3.5 chaos.

>>53478315
Because it was the seat of big mofo orkboss. The one before the HH

>>53479381
The hotshot lasguns are sponson weapons, not on a 360 turret

>>53479420
Yeah. For whatever else you could say, at least he makes solid, fluffy codexes.

Broken OP rules with a bunch of cool fun stuff is better than broken terrible rules with no cool fun stuff.

>>53479381
>Sure, it elevates the guns a bit but I've never been accused of modeling for advantage, if that's what you mean.
Probably because they honestly thought that was a better place for them.

>>53479451
This is true, but aren't sponsons out in 8th ed anyway?

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>>53479455
>Broken OP rules with a bunch of cool fun stuff is better than broken terrible rules with no cool fun stuff.

>>53479359
This is interesting.
A while back I attempted to make a Post DoW2 Blood Ravens army.
I guess this means I can update them, but have the characters as Primaris as well.

>>53479420
An happy accident.
Regardless, they are all pretty bad for a reason or another. They fucked up their games so bad that they ended up scratching them because they are unfixable.
Now we have 2 different games instead of WHFB and WH40k (less so for 40k).
How people can hope that the same idiots will make the new game balanced is beyond me.

>>53479412
I really wish the chadmarines didn't have different statlines and were just "the new marine kit"

>>53479413
Yeah they should be fine, most GW stores have a policy regarding conversions (x% of the model must be GW product)but otherwise it's fine and I've seen some non GW shops allow paper proxies as long as you buy something from them (snacks,dice ect)

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>>53479319

>>53479012
I am starting nids and this is seriously one of the schemes I am considering

>>53479455
This. His Eldar shit is overpowered yes, but that's literally just an issue of not being assigned the right points. With competent playtesters pointing up the Eldar shit that's broken, and the fixes to the core rules getting rid of bullshit like Gargantuans and D-weapons, then Kelly's Eldar Codex becomes extremely fluffy and fun with everyone being brought up to that level.

Cruddace making shitty unplayable, unflavorful, bland armies on the other hand, is the worst possible thing that can happen to someone's faction.

>>53479485
we havn't seen the matched play advance rules

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>>53479401
>...deny their implementation
You will literally never see any of the existing GW chapters refusing the primaris process entirely. They might make some vague reference to chapters which don't accept it existing, or even invent a chapter of traditionalists (who will probably be wiped out or fall to chaos by the end of the book they are introduced in) but they want every marine player to buy these and they are absolutely not going to make any suggestion whatsoever that you shouldn't add them to your army.

>>53479487
Are you suggesting that if every codex had as many cool options as Tau that the game would somehow be worse?

I am garbage at painting but my favorite faction is Orks (I also have a Necron army.) Is there a decent way to paint Orks quickly that doesn't look like butts?

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>>53479503
>Dark Angels accepting new, untested, and unstable marines from a Primarch that isn't their own, despite the fact they work almost completely alone without support to keep their secrets to themselves

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>>53477971

>>53479503
Primaris Space Wolves are my new favorite thing.

>>53479512
And that matters for me how? I'm a casual player, always have been. That's my taurox.

>>53479305
>40k "feel"
The problem is that "feel" is when you got into the game, just after the lore radically changed in tone from what it was prior, and now complain that it has changed in tone again.
You 3/4e cucks and your bellyaching about notmah40k are the real cancer of the community. At least the waacfags PLAY the game.

>>53479541

Primarines are made with their specific Primarchs geneseed, they aren't all guillimans

>>53479550
and you don't want to use points?

>>53479507
The level of denial is huge here.
Or you are probably Eldar players, cannot tell.
Probably guard players loved Cruddace in 5th.
Also, the fluff is pretty terrible since 4th. For everything.

>>53479507
Pretty much. The Eldar codex can be fixed by increasing points, and then it's fair and fun. The Tyranid codex could be fixed by decreasing points, but then it's still just fair and boring, since you still have no special rules or options.

>>53479526
That will never happen. Now tell me, do you want to be the tau of 8th edition?

>>53478231

Love everything but the commander. Fluff is whatever, haven't payed much attention to any of it since 3rd ed so I don't care.

>>53479559
Not if i can use power levels. One's free, the other's not.

>>53479554

You may find Reddit a better refuge for you and your fellow teenage 7th babies

>>53479541
They'll probably suffer massive losses like the Black Templars, Space Wolves, and Blood Angels & Co. first.

>>53479416
So much this.
That cunt gave eldar broken shit each time.

>>53479518
Seeing as you can field a 10 man normal for the same point cost as a 5 man primaris with more utility normal marines will be around for some time. Not to mention groups like the dark angels are extremely distrustful and want nothing to do with any other chapters they'd be likely to deny further involvement than necessary with gulliman

>>53479564
I like the current flooff...

I am also a bit of an edgelord though. Szeras is my favorite character.

>>53479451
I did something similar, when I play with my friends the peashooter is 360, the volley is measured from the side even if for aesthetic is placed inside the turret (not on the side, it looks even better).
Only a Sperglord would complain about that.

>>53479367
Which I hate. I liked the idea of them being vat born super soldiers, born from genetic samples of the Primarchs artificialy inseminated into ovum collected from the imperium's most bad ass women.

Creating previlaged sons of the Primarchs carrying their flaws and virtues better than their half brothers.

>>53479569
>Do you want to be the army with one overpowered unit, but everyone complains about the entire army because 90% of people are bad at the game?

Yeah, I'm fine with that. Considering the only really OP part about Tau was Riptides.

>>53479518
And why do you think it matters?
The purpose of the statement is to give individual players the ability to choose what's in their army or not.
You are being a sour cunt.

>>53479012
This colour scheme is awesome. I am seriously considering it for my new bugs

>>53479596
Thank you for being the reason I hate this game now, anon.

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>>53478424
finishing my demicompany, then ill buy a knight

>>53479597
not really, its cheating. It's no different to gluing your predator sponsons to the turret

>>53479564
>Also, the fluff is pretty terrible since 4th. For everything.
Agreed but the actual fluff and "fluffy armies" are not the same thing. When people say they want a Codex that plays "fluffy" they mean one that has the special rules and such that give the right feel to the units, making them act on the tabletop how you expect them to.

In other words, the exact opposite of the Cruddace nid dexes which literally play nothing like Tyranids have ever been depicted or ever played before. I don't know how one guy can be so shit at designing something that's not even new, how do you fail that hard to capture a playstyle that was already figured out for you by 3 other editions of designers?

>>53479538
No. Sorry, but there just isn't. I've tried a bunch of different methods, but they are inherently complex models with lots of little metal bits mixed in with cloth and skin.

Absolute easiest I've found is to drybrush all the metal, then do the skin in light green, leather in light brown, cloth in yellow or red and then slap a load of dark brown wash over the lot. Doesn't look great, but it's relatively fast.

>>53477962
Never skip leg day, kids

>>53479541
>he doesn't know that the secrets of the Dark Angels is held to the Inner Circle alone, not the rank and file, which primaris marines certainly would be
How about you read your lore before you shitpost so poorly, anon?

>>53479107
Honestly there isn't much point unless it's an hq or you have a tiny army. It's so much easier to paint shit when it's fully assembled and you can just grab it by the base.

The only parts you cant paint are usually parts that you physically cannot see or are hard to see. You can still get your brush in there and get some basic colours on.

>>53479538
Caliban green base, blood god/lead beltcher details, nuln oil/earth shade. Boom done

>>53479227
I actually kind of like that.
Would've been bonus pts to put the punisher on the turret as well though.

>>53479541
>accepting new, untested, and unstable marines from a Primarch that isn't their own
So... you haven't read the actual Primaris Marine fluff then?

>>53479620
The weapon attacks are measured from their ORIGINAL position. They are not on the turret for game purpose. If the turret sees but the original position does not, you cannot shoot.

>>53478032
He flew around it or just over it obviously.

>>53478106
Guardsmen, (company) command squad, basilisk. Thanks for doing this, Anon.

>>53479654
That's totally fine; but its still an illegal model

>>53479577
Sorry, anon, some of us have been playing this game before your hurrdurrgrimdarkEXXXTREME paintjob.
I am overjoyed that it, and the shoddy ruleset that came with it, has basically been buried for good, and all you have is your nostalgia tears like some butthurt D&D faggot.

>>53479640
What do you mean, the Punisher array IS on the turret.

>>53479620
>>53479674
It's not cheating if you measure the shots from the correct position. In fact, since it makes the model's profile bigger (which makes it easier to hit) it's the OPPOSITE of cheating.

I've never once been called out for using this model. Not even by GW employees.

>>53479674
No it isn't. That's like saying that if you model a Rhino with a dozen extra hatches and doors on it, but still only use the official side and rear doors, that you're somehow cheating.

>>53478065

I'll never understand why GW decided to remove the black rims from the Blood Angels paint scheme.

>>53479496
then fucking play them like normal marines, there's nobody stopping you

>>53479659
They mentioned that there are small narrow dangerous breaks in the storm that one can pass through but it's difficult, and they don't last long, and are always moving.

>>53479697
>>53479694

Look as long as you use the rules, and so on, its all fine.

But it ain't Wysiwyg; so technically the model is illegal

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Made this, accurate?

>>53479659
>he thinks it's 2d because the map is 2d
I bet you think the Eye of Terror was 2d as well.

>>53479595
>Seeing as you can field a 10 man normal for the same point cost as a 5 man primaris with more utility normal marines will be around for some time.
The new model range is going to get pushed. If the rules get in the way of that, they will change the rules.
>Not to mention groups like the dark angels are extremely distrustful and want nothing to do with any other chapters they'd be likely to deny further involvement than necessary with gulliman
If background gets in the way of sales, the background will be changed.

Primaris marines are now GW's main product line. They will do what it takes to sell them.

>>53479692

I found this post completely incomprehensible

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soooo

any news on how the primaris geneseed actually works?

is it an additional set of genes that attaches to the x chromosome?
is it an ablative set attaching to the geneseed already on the y?
is it a replacement of the old geneseed with the new one?
can you make a primarine without the old geneseed?
does the uplifting process involves new implants?
can you make a primadonna?

>>53479674
You are exactly the same kind of sperg I was talking about.

>>53479227
What's the change to twin-linked?

>>53479724
I honestly fucking hate the british african knockoff guardsmen

>>53479740
It's just better, that's all they're saying.

>>53479750
You fire twice instead of getting a reroll-to-hit.

>>53479750
Instead of rerolls to hit, twinlinked is now just double shots of whatever weapon it is. So a twinlinked lascannon would be 2 shots.

>>53479759
t. Zulu

>>53479740
We won't know till we get their lore

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>>53479733
>implying the exact opposite of what I said
nigga you is dumb.

>>53479774
So such Taurox would be 28 shots?
And what about the Vulture? That would be flying rape.

>>53479760
Not strictly better as they have flaws unique to them and can amplify the flaws of flaws of their parent Geneseed

>>53479739
Take the dick out of your eyes, then?
The grimdark nonsense came about in 3e with the new ruleset, and it was, is, and remained shit.
It's been put down like like a bum horse, finally, and nostalgiafags are crying about muh lore and muh "feels" like it had any actual value.

>>53479616
Welkies!

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>>53479722
>it's fine
>it's also illegal
I bet you're the kind of person that was happy when Looted Vehicles rules were removed.

>>53479759
Tell me where the Redcoats touched your people anon.

>>53479626
Dang. Necrons were so easy too, spray paint primer, spray paint base color, wash.

>>53479797
Yeah, the Punisher array puts out 10 and the volley gun array puts out 4, both are twin-linked, so it'd go from 14 to 28, all at S4 and 24" range.

That truck will be a meat grinder.

>>53479831
IF the weapons keep the profile.

>>53479724
If by "God" tier you mean "God I'm tired of painting this exact same pose over and over" tier then yes.

>>53479384

And you're the definition of a goddamn moron who never bothers to learn tactics and plays by aimless brute force. Primaris are definitely mostly underpowered for their points cost, but the only way to lose the demo game is if you have zero concept of basic target priority and can't grasp the concept of focus firing down units when you have ranged superiority and outnumber everything but a one mile an hour chaff unit.

>>53479812
It's like he shoved a sentinel inside a carnifex. Props to the Mek

>>53479818
>>53479775
only garbage wanna be tories play pretorians:

https://youtu.be/ZLAdI-kxkzM?t=141

Seriously look how garbage they look

>>53478032
Probably over or under it.

>>53479787
>wholly leave the light of the Astronomicon into the reaches of unmapped dark space to go to a place where the Astronomicon is faint at best
Let's ignore that such a journey would take literally years because a warp jump over 5ly without the warp beacon is asking to be lost to the warp. Anon, get on your shit.

>>53479724
What is the rightmost one at the top?

Otherwise I agree except for the fucking Praetorian.

Vostroyans almost belong in a tier of their own.

>>53479759
See above, I agree they look stupid.

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>>53479724
>elder god tier

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>>53478032
Let me show you

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>>53479862
are you suggesting the astronomicon is 2d

>>53479724
Elysian
DKOK
Iron Guard
Steel legion

The remaining dross.

>>53479851
Thanks for confirming you're retarded m8

>>53479856
>only garbage wanna be tories
Jesus Christ

>>53479724
I'd shift ghosts and praetorians down to 'great tier', move metal catachans to 'poor tier' (don't fit the setting, unoriginal, sculpts no better than the cadians) and swap vallhalans and steel legion for the ones in 'meh' tier (combination of unoriginal concept and blobby sculpts). I have no idea why you split the FW and GW tallarn, which seem pretty similar to me.

>>53479842
Weapons are keeping their range, RoF (aside from twin-linking effect) and damage, it looks like; primary changes are to AP and damage dealt. So the armament will probably look like this:

Twinned Punisher Gatling Cannon
Heavy 20 S4 AP- D1
Twinned Hot-Shot Volley Gun
Heavy 8 S4 AP-2 D1

And it's a Stormtropper vehicle so it'll hit on 3's.

>>53479722
WYSIWYG isn't a rule.

>>53479842
We can make reasonable guesses, like twinlinked autocannons being 4 shots. I'm stoked for my Annihilation barge, hoping it becomes 8 glorious tesla shots.

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>>53479856
"My Bulldog is my commissar *snerk*"

>>53479924
You sweet summer child...

>>53479722
The armament seems kosher.
What's the problem?

>>53479906

That's cute, but I rarely lose a game.

>>53479906
So what I'm taking from this is that somehow, basic bolter marines can't bring down plague marines(which I'm alright with, they were touting plague marines hardiness), and the gravis captain can't 1v1 the plaguelord on even terms?
How have the other units fared?

>>53479922
I do wonder if stormies will be deployable as a single army as before.
And what is the nature of the orders.. is orders that attracted me back then.
Still, I feel less and less motivated into playing them in this more absurd galaxy in which even marines are "not enough".

>>53479851
Yeah, you have range on the enemy, but you're chucking out 5 bolter shots and 5 plasma shots a turn (Unless you want to get closer to the army you say your only advantage over is range). This is against either a chaff squad which will be moving towards you (And advancing, remember that it gets to move and advance, whilst you are just moving so that you can fire.)
Or you can shoot the Marines that get a 4+ in the open against your AP-1 bolters and a 1/3 chance to ignore any wounds caused against them. Also you wound them on 5s, welcome to how Guardsmen feel about shooting anything, but you don't have weight of shots to back you up.)

Then you have the Blight Drone that can wreck the plasma squad in a single turn thanks to those auto-hit HIV cannons.

Unless you are implying that all the Death Guard players were tactical geniuses and the Primaris players were brain dead retards how do YOU explain the Marines losing a majority of the time?

>>53479965
The sponsons are on the turret. Look it ain't a big deal, and you can just "imagine" they are on the side, but at the end of the day, its an illegal model.

I use ironstrider autocannons as the turret on my inquisition chimera; I know its illegal, but I just say like - oh its blessed +1S Heavy Bolters. It still aint legal; I just don't care

>>53479997
I take it as a challenge, personally.

Guilliman's Primaris Marines are the 40k equivalent of the Tiger Tank. Strong, but expensive to produce and inevitably there won't be enough of them. It smacks of a PR move; 90% of every military action will still be made with the Guard.

Even with the galaxy cut in half there's still millions of worlds and billions of Guard.

So the rule that you lose a model on a roll of 1 when a vehicle dies basically makes putting Manz in a trukk a no-no, right?

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>>53479997
If nothing else, you can use that detachment where only elites and hq are compulsory. I suspect that there will also be a rule that converts them to troops if your entire army has the tempestus scions faction keyword or something.

>>53479985
If I remember correctly the demo games were just 10 intercessor, a tenent and the captain vs the plague marines, the poxwalkers, the drone and the chaos lord.

The fact that Marines were playing without the plasma guys and the Inceptors which are their main damage dealers, while Nurgle played just without two support characters probably made lots of difference.

>>53479974
Because you rarely play? It's easy to be a tough guy on the internet to other shitty players, much harder to trick the people who actually have experience and know what they're talking about.