Pathfinder General - /pfg/

>>53436866
Reposting here because I'm legitimately curious.

>INB4 someone says that invulnerability is impossible because of infinity wish wizards.

>>53436969
Anon, he is the guardian spirit.

>>53436969
I've toyed with it, primarily through the Phantom Blade spiritualist.

Phantom Blade Spiritualist//Brutal Slayer Bushi? A STR/WIS, brutish Asian-style thug whose nagamaki is actually the spirit of his DEX/INT samurai grandfather who doesn't like his grandson's lack of elegance, the two arguing over how to go about doing something. The Grandson would hit shit hard, the Grandfather would suggest a more rational path.

Also had another one, a Witchwolf Skinwalker girl whose great-grandmother, the original matriarch of her clan, came back as a fearsome battleaxe in order to instill some family values in her descendants that had grown lazy and fat- especially the hedonistic youngest daughter of the current matriarch that was on a fast-track to nowhere.

>newest flower app is literally Damian Wayne from Batman. A terrible written, hilariously direct copy.

r20 randos are magic.

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for those who missed it, we have new information on how Star Travel works, how ships work, and a new god, the Triune.

https://geekdad.com/2017/05/drift-geekdad-exclusive-look-at-starfinder/

Worth noting is enforced wait times between visiting planets, often days worth of it at a time. Perfect for RP sessions and lewds

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>>53437008
if we're talking about HP invulnerability:

>be level 19 Swashbuckler (god help you)
>Take Signature Deed (Cheat Death)
>Always make sure to have at least 1 panache point
>Now whenever you would be dropped below 0 HP, instead of paying all your remaining panache to be at 1 HP, you pay all your remaining panache -1, which always leaves you with 1 panache point remaining
>therefore no matter how many times you are dropped below 0, you are instead left at 1 HP

>>53437066

But anon, starships aren't for lewds, starships are for building romantic tension until the scene is diffused by a timely/untimely interruption that throws the whole thing into an awkward light that forestalls advancement until later plot developments.

https://youtu.be/QMk0-pZfx5Q

>>53437139
I uh.

I don't think that's supposed to be how that works but I can't really argue against it.

>>53437049
I'm not sure if I had a lower opinion of the app before or after I realized what was going on.

>>53437066
>Not one
>Not two
>Not three
>But four out of four of the revealed deities for Starfinder are feminine

They aren't even trying anymore.

I'll repost the question, is the Legendary Assassin pdf in either of the troves?

>>53437189
Being fair here, Triune actually has an excuse, given she was two pre-defined female deities and a genderless super robot.

>>53437049
>>53437179
Let's turn this negativity train around. Which ensoulment apps are the best?

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Favorite Player Companions books and why.

Go.

>>53437218
Derrin looks like a good fit for the campaign if Disk ever gets around to finishing her.

Ceraphine is a good character, but doesn't really feel like it fits the feel of the game.

>>53437223
Psychic Anthology: Panoplies and Kinetic Knight

>>53437223
Blood of the Beast is a fantastic sourcebook

>>53437297
>Panoplies and Panoply Savant
>my dream of a half-caster with full BAB is real

fuck the fact that I'm dicked into sword and board without blowing feats on unhindering shield, it's still rad as fuck and perfect for gestalt

>>53437066
How do you think the presence of Rifles, RPGs, and other murder implements will affect the people who just try to Wizard their way through things?

Seems like there will be more options for dealing with those types.

>>53437189
>>53437210

What are the odds the first male god is going to be a total bore, or evil?

>>53437223
Weapon master's handbook

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>>53437223
I particularly liked Blood of the Fiend for all the stuff it provides for my favorite race.

>>53437324
>Seems like there will be more options for dealing with those types.

Those types aren't the target audience for Starfinder.

>>53437325
Mustache-twirling Papa Asmo reporting for duty.

>>53437339
Asmo actually got confirmed for not being core 20 anymore. He's still around, but he's no longer part of the in group.

>>53437168
THIS anon knows his space drama!

>>53433786
He's too nice! He needs an alignment shift

>>53437324
The same as guns have always affected them: Not at all.

>>53437325

Maybe it'll be Kurgess, the NG god of friendly competition, athleticism, and kind-hearted bara musclemen.

>>53437413
God of swole

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>>53437353
THIS IS FUCKING HERESY
SPACE HELLKNIGHTS OF RELIGIOUS BENT, REPORT TO PURGE WITH OUR KIN!

>>53437218
Giancarlo
Kino but mainly because I like Kino.
Cornelia I want to rape the smug out of her
Ceraphine is good but her tone is...just it feels weird and off

>>53437353
Asmo finally got tired of this shit and fucked off to a better setting

>>53437413
What's Kurgess doing in a Space Opera?

Erastil wouldn't fit either.

Sarenrae will be a goddess for sure.

Ah, by the way, did anyone save a copy of the Steelforge playtest? Need it for Forgelord and the legendary weapon (whose name currently escapes me)

>>53437066
>Brethedan vacuum-swimming biovessels
Bio ships confirmed!

>>53437481

Inspiring wayward genetically engineered abominations to turn their monstrous strength to healthier, more positive pursuits, of course.

>>53437525
That's flimsy and you know it! The only deities that will be in Starfinder are the ones with portfolios that matter for a space opera.

Wait a minute, >>53437189 is incorrect because they forgot Pharasma and Iomedae are also confirmed.

This means it's current six goddesses, zero gods.

Just posted an ensoulment app as Cory H, feedback appreciated

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Reposting to shill (and gather some more info on which game to start the application listing for):
http://www.strawpoll.me/13041261

>Guile of the Diabolic
LE twist on WotR. An Asmodean oracle has predicted the assault on Kenabres with a couple months in advance, so you've been assembled by an Asmodean cleric to go and swoop in to save the day, earn Papa Asmodeus some positive PR, and probably sweep control of the crusades and Kenabres from Iomedae and her ilk. Level 4 start, 30 PB

>Hell's Saboteurs
LE twist on HR. You are a clique of self-interested noblemen, devil worshippers, and chelish loyalists (or maybe somewhat amoral mercenaries) in Kintargo. You've noticed that Bazzy Thrune seems to have lost a screw or two, and that there's a rebellion being brewed with all the subtlety of a blaster sorcerer and the cunning of a 7 WIS bard. This opens the perfect chance for you to play both sides, screw both over, and get some nice social and power advancement while at it. Level 3 start, 25 PB, vigilante gestalt (Legendary stuff allowed except for noble soul and exposed)

>>53437607
2/10, not a cory in the house joke, apply thineself

>>53437607
>5e

>>53437561
Here's what we have confirmed currently:
>Abadar (Male)
>Iomedae (Female)
>Sarenrae (Female)
>Desna (Female)
>Urgathoa (Female)
>Pharasma (Female)
>Zon-Kuthon (Male)
>Weydan (Unknown)
>Triune (Female/Female/Genderless)
>Damaritosh (Male)

Yeah, female deities are much more common, but it's not like we aren't getting some males.

>>53437607
Are you in the house?

>>53437620
Anon, I don't say this as an insult to you, but to what you're trying to sell. Evil campaigns are trite and boring and shouldn't be sold as the quirk to a campaign. If you want my complete honesty, I would rather play an honest campaign of straight Wrath of the Righteous with those rules, rather than some Lawful Evil mess.

Who the fuck is I and what the fuck is this Wayne knockoff

>>53437561

There's nothing flimsy about being a good role-model, anon!

>>53437631
>Seven goddesses
>One is evil

>Three gods
>One is evil, Damaritosh is potentially evil

I thought Paizo was equal about this crap?

>>53437462
>>53437281
How is everyone feeling about DHB's character?

Dont make jokes guys, my real name is Cory Housington

What other gods would make sense to show up? It just seems to me they are powerful not mortals who are CEOs of companies. Is this really the only role they occupy?

That said, I suppose concepts can help fill in the gap I know Abadr is suppose to be the God of wealth or something of the sorts so I guess I wouldn't be able to shoe in my !Corpus religion into it.

>>53437684
We don't need to make jokes when you have a name like that.

>>53437677
Here's the problem I'm seeing
1. I don't see why Jericho 'sees merit in the princess's need of symbolism', at least not in the classic symbolism of a hero
2. Will the idealistic 17 year old fairytale princess really take kindly to an executioner's sense of harsh stability?

>>53437688
>Gods are the CEOs of corporations

Please tell me you're joking here, that's retarded. Dragons worked for Megacorps, not deities.

>>53437688
Well, actually? We know that Abadarcorp is a thing. And based on the fluff surrounding the playtest module they showed us during the bigass livestream quite a while back, Abadarcorp is filled to the brim with amoral assholes.

So yes, you can totally have people screaming "FOR THE PROFIT!"

>>53437620
I don't really like evil campaigns. Not because I don't like playing evil characters but because it's invariably just the good campaign but against angels and with kicking puppies on the side. Especially Lawful Evil, which honestly belongs in intrigue games if not independent adventuring, otherwise you're literally an evil mook taking orders from people who actually matter.

>>53437648
> Evil campaigns are trite and boring
That's like your opinion.

>>53437709
>implying great dragons aren't deities

>>53437703
I mean his symbol part makes sense with the whole "become the coiled serpent". But yeah he seems a bit on the harsh side and admits he's more sympahetic to the king than the princess.

>>53437709
No, he doesn't know what he's talking about - the only "CEO deity" we're looking at is Abadar, as >>53437718 said there.

>>53437724
My opinion? Everyone else said the same thing last time you posted it.

>>53437561
>not having the best god Cayden Cailean

Fuck those niggers

>>53437709

I only say this after looking at the sparse wiki where Abadr apparently is. I don't cliam to know with assuradly hence why I asked.
>>53437720
I see. Well, I do want to be a bit more OC donut Steel then just pretending to be evil space jews.

>>53437631
Which one's the one worshiped by Space Ameiko?

>>53437676
Remember, "equality" isn't what hard lefters want.

>>53437749
Anon... Cayden Calian has kind of been dead in the water since Milani showed up, same with Erastil.

They're gods of a rougher, less inclusive time in Paizo's history. If you haven't noticed, 90% of the deities they've introduced post-WotR have been women.

>>53437769
Guess we will have to homebrew a lot of shit if we want to have fun

>>53437769
I honestly really like Erastil. He seems like a pleasant guy

>>53437815
He's a good and caring daddy

>>53437769
What the fuck happened with Paizo, thought this shit was done when Sean Cuck Reynolds left

>>53437759
Weydan, god of discovery and liberty.

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>>53437815

When he saw humans struggling and shivering in the wild, he gave them his bow and taught them how to show nature who's boss.

He's got our back.

>>53437677

Not mouse, therefore would not fug. Points though for having don't tread on me snake as their family symbol. Would share a cask of amontillado with, but would not want to adventure with anyone who symbolizes both execution and TOO MUCH SNAKE.

>>53437842
Reynolds was a sentient mass of pure autism but he wasn't the problem with Pazio. Amber Scott, James Jacobs and Crystal Fraser are the tumblrites ruining the game,

>>53437821
He is most definitely the ultimate daddy. And he's OUR Daddy too!

>>53437880
What are /pfg/'s thoughts on the other designers. Mark Seifter seems like a decent guy.

>>53437846
Which method of honouring Erastil is better, becoming a Cleric or Paladin dedicated to him?

>>53437906
Warpriest actually might be best, since it can access the feat Erastil's Blessing inherently if it picks longbow as its sacred weapon.

>>53437906
Becoming a good and caring daddy, obviously.

>>53437880
Jesus fuck and no signs they are going to fuck off right?

>>53437906

Why one or the other when you can prove your devotion by multiclassing as both a paladin AND cleric of Erastil. You'd be twice as devout as any other weekend worshipper.

>>53437906

Bowadin is pretty classic.

>>53436752
I dont know how "done" this is but I really wanted to steal some things from Bart the character from the new Dirk Gently series.
She is a "Holistic Assassin" who is guided by the universe wandering around killing everyone she runs into, all of which end up being bad people. From the outside she looks like a pyschotic serial killer on a massive murder spree but we realize that all the coincidences that keep happening around her is actually fate intervening. https://youtu.be/nMg9ruabXco

Obviously this character would be hard to do as a PC in Pathfinder but the whole "I'm just a leaf being carried by the stream of fate. A murderous leaf." philosophy could be fun to RP out against a party with more traditional objective morals.

Does it makes sense to have barbarians if your setting is set in the Renaissance/Early Modern?

>>53437920

Well, that's certainly a goal, but you need to start somewhere. Maybe Chosen One? Learn the secrets and the wisdom of the wilderness from boyhood under the watchful tutelage of an emissary, and grow into a fine young man with strong morals, an appreciation for nature, and a dead eye like no other.

>>53437966
I don't know if you're aware, anon, but there's still tribes of people on earth that could be considered tribal barbarians by PF's standards. they just have access to textiles and guns.

>>53437966
They are people that use their rage to surpass in combat. Rage is timeless anon.

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>>53437966
Depends what you mean by "Barbarian", strong guy who goes insane with the axe or an actual barbarian
Also I'm going to get shouted at for this but Africans.

>>53437980
There's still tribes who don't have access to textiles and guns, the ones in remote corners of the world.

>>53437966
Savage Technologist Barbarian is basically a sword/gun barbarian you can use.

Urban Barbarian also exists.

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I made a samurai for the ensoulment game. I feel like I did a good job with the character... Already completed the sheet and everything. But, Im thinking of making his backstory more comlex. Give him a real personality, you know? So I guess what Im asking is... [Spoiler]How do I rise above the memes?[/spoiler]

Is it a good idea to cast buffs like Mind Blank before you get your 8 hours of rest so you don't 'lose' a spell slot or does it not even matter?

>>53438023
You can't rise above the memes, jack.

>>53438024
By the time you have that sort of spell, you're so powerful it doesn't matter.

>>53438024
24 hour buffs are so high up the level list that you won't run out of slots anyway.

>>53438023
Get inspired.

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What archetype for my Kobold alchemist ?
What personality should I give him ?

>>53437455
>>53437353
No, no, listen, this is a good thing. Jaded, retired Asmodeus is awesome character development. Like he just got sick of everybody's shit and fucked off, became Neutral after finally balancing the philosophical struggle with his brother, and now he's doing his own thing.

>>53438101
>Asmodeus is just a comfy retiree drinking whiskey on his porch

>>53437631
Oh wow Urgathoa is confirmed?
Post proof!

And post the Iomedae proof too!

>>53438101
So wait, this is Asmodeus post midlife crisis?

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>>53438023
Take a gander at Giancarlo and Cornelia, they have the most obvious and fleshed-out personalities.

>>53438101
What happened to his archfiends, did they change alignments too? What about Charon, is he just the best starship pilot the multiverse has ever seen now?

>>53438071
Vivisectionist Trapbreaker. Manic but easily amused tinkerer.

>>53438108
They confirmed which of the core deities from Pathfinder are making the jump to Starfinder during that big livestream Q&A session quite a while ago. I'd link it, but 4chan treats Twitch links as spam.

As such, here's a link to the link.
https://pastebin.com/GLKBydzC

>>53438071
Well, depends on the kinda alchemist you want to be. Do you want to more control over your bombs? Grenadier. Do you want to ditch the bombs and be a better rogue then None-U.Rogue? Vivisectionist. What do you have planned so far?
Also
Are you using the base PF Bold or a 3pp bold?

>>53438023
He is a washed up alcoholic burnout. Eight years ago he was this well known warrior who was well regarded for being the best swordsman in the land but has since then fallen off the wagon. The whole gimmick is like, the Queen thinks she's getting this modern day Folk Hero but in reality he isn't half the warrior he once was and is kinda a prick. It even comes prepackaged with a possible redemption arc.
I made a guy like that for a weeaboo game that ended in bamboozle but thought it'd be just a lot of fun to play the "Washed up has-been" who is once again called upon to save the land.

>>53438115
But anon what if you like the autistic, art obsessed stemfag?

>>53437975
This sounds really cute. I want to adventure with this character. Maybe as an earnest, Lame oracle with a cute mystery, like Lunar! She could have a cute animal companion that way, and she could naively believe in goodness in the world around her.

Who else should adventure with them?

>>53438135
>Are you using the base PF Bold or a 3pp bold?
I don't know
This is my first character so I haven't planned anything except for the backstory

>>53438115
Sound advice, I'll take it. Thanks m8.

How should portrait the different hatred between people before the age of nationalism? Should it be based more or ethnic and religious lines? Was there any hatred based on dynasties?

>>53438115
>What happened to his archfiends, did they change alignments too? What about Charon, is he just the best starship pilot the multiverse has ever seen now?

No, they all fought like miserable fucks over the scraps Asmodeus left behind. Your Favorite won, many of the others died, and Asmodeus cares not, because he's done with them.

>>53438164
The one who thinks a trebuchet is a pinnacle of art and not engineering?
I mean sure, she kind of scares me, she sounds like the type whose eyes get sparkly and whose head starts steaming when SCIENCE is brought up both Niccolo and Cornelia have better Knowledge and INT stats than her you wannabe

>>53438180
What about Charon though
Also I'm not even sure they'd fight. They're Lawful Evil which can easily mean they're devoted to Asmodeus instead of devoted to Evil.

>>53438178
It's based on cultural ones, which would easily include religion as a component but not as the primary component.

>>53438140
Thats an interesting approach. Ill have to think for a bit in detail about the circumstances that he fell into alcoholism, and how that might affect him personally, and what lead him to writing back to the princess.

>>53438172
Not who you're responding to, but I'd suggest asking to use a higher RP 3PP kobold race if at all possible, in that case.

>>53438195
They aren't; they're canonical shitbags that want more Power and Authority. Fuck, they've warred and killed each other before, Anon.

Someone new will become the Big Shit Devilman.

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>>53438172
Well get the Ok to use THIS books Kobolds. The PF one's are a joke. Literally. They're right next to PF goblins in terms of joke.

You'll actually have a fun time with these bolds and not hate what you're going though. But in terms of Builds. Go with >>53438118. It'll be a fun time.

>>53438227
But I like two of them

>>53438195
Well, yeah, but you can't knock trebuchets! They're just a different kind of art!

Also, please no bully the gunslinger with a car!

>>53438231
Vivisectionist Trapbreaker is basically a full Rogue replacement but with extracts. It's great.

>>53438234
Then they get married and jointly hold power over the others.

Which two?

>>53438199
>It's based on cultural ones

In what way? How should it be portrait? It's easy with nationalism, but since it didn't exist as such before the French Revolution...

>>53438250
>cultural differences didn't exist before nationalism
:thinking:
Nationalism made cultural differences more pronounced, it didn't generate them outright. France might have been West Francia to Germania's East Francia at one point but by the time of Westphalia a Frenchman was distinct from a German.
If this is before any hint of nationalism then it should be based on religion, cultural distinctions where they exist, and war if this is a thing. Appearance might be part of it but shouldn't be huge unless there's become a reason to hate, say, Gnomes in particular because they're infamous for """""bantz""""" and """"pranks"""".

>>53438249
Mephistopheles and Dispater, they look hot.

>>53438246
They're impressive engineering and a "work of art", as in a masterpiece, but I wouldn't say they're 'culture', let alone high culture.

>>53438297
>Mephistopheles becomes Ragathiel's new Step-Daddy

Delicious, this is the new truth.

>>53438297
But that's why she's trying to learn what true, not fake, culture is! And trying to somehow tie science into culture!

>>53438023

Make him a trap.

>>53438311
Go ask Cornelia, Giancarlo really shouldn't but he looks so pimp yo, or Ceraphine for help

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It's only been a week
Is this the new Overlewd?

>>53438356
Wait, what game are you even talking about?

>>53438379
Ensoulment of the Flower Court, it looks like. something must have happened to make people get interested in it.

>>53438390
Eh, I wasn't gonna app to it originally, but Demonlands dying kinda shifted my interest to flower court

I think its more just the only game in town.

>>53437720
Actually, since GotD follows WotR, you'd be still fighting demons on the side, only really fighting the forces of good if you choose to seize power of Kenabres through force. (And maybe a couple other times)

>>53438390
>>53438356
>>53438402
It's legitimately really interesting. One of the only games in a long time that revolves around ideals and Romance (with a capital R, not that crass lewd drivel.) It's a big deal. I'm working on my app right now.

>>53438418
What are you working on, Anon?

>>53438441
I've settled on Hussar, with the Guardian Spirit feat.

So. I wanna llay a character whk worships Aku from Samurai Jack. What would be his domains?

>>53438356
>>53438418
TSS had the same amount apps in the same amount of time and that was just one of /pfg/'s worst posters fishing for ERP

People are just hungry for games

There's no grand concept here

It's just Dungeons and Dragons

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>>53438478
Darkness, Evil, Law, and Trickery.

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>>53438478
look over the various fiendish lords; the Qlippoth lords, Rakshasa Rajahs, Archdevils, Demon Lords, the Four Horsemen, and similar things.

Pick one that fits and there you go. I personally recommend the Fiendish Vessel cleric archetype, as it's basically just a standard cleric that swaps its channel damage to something weird and gets a free familiar.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-tiefling/fiendish-vessel-cleric-tiefling

>>53438195

Speaking of Knowledge and Int stats, any neat feats when it comes to knowledge, craft, or heal skills? I've been kind of out of the loop when it comes to that stuff.

so tell me /pfg/ how poor of a fit is DHB's new character for flower court? How tone deaf is he this time?

>>53438711
It's not...TERRIBLE.

>>53438711
I think it fits fine.

>>53438717
>Those who conspire against the crown must feel that fear the strike of the viper, and those abroad who seek to undermine Arlote's power must know the terror of the snake's seeping venom
>for an Arthurian fantasy where the princess is imagining marble castles and heroes in plate
No.

Anons, I need some ideas for my setting. I intend on making a team of Vigilantes based on the various tarot cards. What are some interesting build ideas for a Vigilante based off one of the Major Arcana?

>>53438730
Go actually read the tarot cards so you don't make XIII - Death edgy instead of XVI - Tower or X of Swords

>>53438711
I think it's fine personally, the character himself might not represent much of a romantic ideal but becoming a symbol fits in line with what I think the spirit of the campaign is.

>>53438728
>The whole thing is about defining what heroism is

Hurrr durrr it can only be heroes in plate armor derp derp derp

>>53438741
Except he's all about gritty heroism and necessary evil, which while sure, heroic, isn't something that sounds like what the Princess would want.

>>53438746
>Everything is about sucking the princess's dick.

>>53438760
>the Princess is the one choosing the heroes

>>53438762
>the princess can only see value in MUH HEROICS ONLY

>>53438773
>The primary limiter in tone is Princess Raina Arlote. Remember that in-game, a 17 year old aasimar princess is inviting your to be her champion, and wants to see you become an icon of her kingdom. Vicious or uncouth characters are probably not going to make it, but then, the princess is idealistic and romantic and may let anything through if their sell is moving enough, or if their potential for a great story is high
>The campaign will feature the party being sent on heroic quests by the princess, generally to slay some monster or lend aid to some distressed populace. In between such quests, there will be bouts of court intrigue. The tone of the court intrigue will be less "game of thrones" and more "King Arthur". Expect classic romance and high drama, not constant plotting and backstabbing. Ultimately, your character's aim, and the Princess' aim for them, is to craft themselves into a storybook character to extol some kind of lesson or value, or capture the populace's hearts through classical meanings of comedy, romance, or tragedy.
>that's why it makes sense to apply with Judge Dredd with a greatsword

Has anyone ever seen or read the Ultimate Charisma Book by Rogue Genius Games? I saw some online rando sucking it's cock and want to get other opinions before looking into it further.

>>53438785
>he doesn't know how edgy parts of authurian myth was

If we use fate arthurian myth can I be a half-penis-demon-wizard like merlin

>>53438817
I think you got that order wrong.

>>53438785
They will quite literally have 5 identical characters if the choosing is what you are talking about. Protagonist even calls out lying to the princess is perfectly acceptable.

Besides man reading the app he is not judge dredd at all. You're just parroting meme. Try and make your case on why he is judge dredd.

Okay motherfuckers, my new posts haven't been giving me a new IP this week. Which one of you is stealing my internet.

>>53438829
I didn't.

>>53438844
gomenasai

>>53438831
That's because the app doesn't give me a clear fucking sense of his character at all, the most I understand about his personality is "His family has been called the Coiled Serpent in the past before their dwindling, waiting behind each turn for the would be conspirator. Those who conspire against the crown must feel that fear the strike of the viper, and those abroad who seek to undermine Arlote's power must know the terror of the snake's seeping venom".

>>53438817
In normal arthurian myth Merlin was literally the son of the devil

BROODIE HAS APPLIED

>>53438870
And she's having a hard time with her app.

>>53438870
Don't get hype my app sucks this time around.

>>53438870
His app barely makes sense

>>53438870
Is this another meme app?

>>53438886
Looks like just a bad one

>>53438884
>>53438890
t-thanks

>>53438897
No offense, just the truth.
I mean she doesn't really sound like a hero in any sense, because she works in the shadows. She's the one who's behind half the hero's work but who never gets credit for it, and that's even in the app - and the problem with that is, she can't make you a cultural icon if you're not in the books.

>>53438910
I mean that would be the idea.

I think the app is weak too, but I'm garbage at making 'heroes'

>>53438919
I mean it's just the requirement of the apps
It could easily work if the princess makes the uncredited hero itself into an ideal to be emulated but even then it's like, I mean you're literally a sidekick. You're not the main character.

>>53438860
Sounds like a hero to me. His entire character is "protect and serve the royal family". Literally at this point you're just saying "a character has to be coming up on his white stallion with flowing blonde lox and an open shirt".

His entire character is about being a symbol. He specifically calls out being a protector and symbol of stability is what being a hero is about.

>>53438932
Where is the Fabio app, anyway?

>>53438932
>sounds like a hero to me
Except for the part where he acts more as an enforcer for the King than someone who does good? He's Lawful, he's not Good.

>>53438928
Ugh I've just... Had trouble with getting my ideas with this character across. They are supposed to kind of be the sidekick, the shadow.

>>53438860
And his character doesn't describe judge dredd AT ALL. You seem to have next to no understanding of judge dredd as a character.

>>53438948
His character doesn't describe fucking anything.

>>53438944
Being a protector and giving stability is important parts of being a hero. Even if you're focused on the nobility.

>>53438956
Except the part where he's focused on protecting the crown only. You'll notice that his description makes him at best Lawful Neutral and possible Lawful Evil.

>>53438970
I mean, he is lawful neutral, not lawful good.

>>53438975
How is someone whose character and role in society can be replaced by a Golem a hero of any sort? He's a goddamn mook. A supermook sure but he's a mook to overcome before you attack the King. He has no ambitions of his own as far as I can tell, he has barely any drive, his entire character (which is highly limited) is "I live to serve". He's a tool in the most literal sense of the word.

>>53438970
>you can't be a LN hero

>>53438956

Slaying monsters and being stylish is important parts of being a hero. What is better at slaying monsters and being stylish than five monkeys with guns? Should've just reused the five monkeys with guns character concept instead for a cultural hero.

>>53438992
You can't be an LN hero when it comes out as the "protect the King" type of LN instead of "protect the Law" / "protect society". He's not a hero because he can never lead.

>>53438989
>the conflict between himself, his uncle, and his father
>restoring his family's position to make his father happy

>>53438996
Why does a hero have to lead?

>>53438999
Because when I say "who won Cannae" do you say "Hannibal" or do you rattle off the names of his lieutenants?

>>53439008
... What does that have to do with being a hero? You've named a leader, and leaders can be heroes, but they're not necessarily heroes.

>>53439013
It matters because a hero can't be replaceable now can he? Hannibal isn't replaceable in that army but most of his army are, they're just following orders - competently sure but they're fundamentally mooks. His lieutenants are brought up because they, too, are leaders, and not replaceable - but nobody remembers them because they're not leaders.

>>53439023
So you're going to tell me Heracles wasn't a hero because he wasn't a leader of men?

>>53439034
Heracles wasn't a leader of men but Heracles was a guy who did fucking impossible things for his own sake, not for the sake of someone else. If Heracles did the Labors because he was just a yesman taking orders from someone else then he would just be a strong fucking mook, which is what Jericho comes off as.

>>53439013
You're part of a party. You're not ALL the leaders of the party.

Besides he can be well known as the king's top enforcer and top man, feared by those who dare conspire against the crown. How does wanting to protect the king make it so he can't be well known?

aaaaaa i'm going to make a champion of unrequited love

>>53439043
>the protector of the king can't be famous/a hero
Your argument is fucking retarded. You're literally arguing being dedicated to protecting the king means no one will remember you. The idea is he is the top law man in the country. I actually can't see where you're coming from because fuck your position is retarded.

>>53439060
I'm going to make aaaaaaaaaaaaa champion of wist!

>>53439047
Yeah, I agree.

>>53439047
A heroic party is comprised of people who aren't just taking orders, otherwise the guy who is is just a golem. Jericho's character revolves around executioner-ing, it has nothing personal. Heroes can't be defined by their organizations.

>>53439066
Who's the top law man in Germany / UK / USA (if you're not the burger) / Japan? Who was the Head of the Guard under the Sun King or under Ivan the Terrible?

>>53439023
>the king's top enforcer, the highest and most feared lawman the kingdom, the hand that enforces the king's will, the man who hunts down conspirators against the crown
>easily replaceable/forgettable
Fuck nigga u dumb.

>>53439070
Do it for kicks

>>53439083
He's replaced by a golem just as strong. He's the sword and shield of the king - all that matters is that the placement is just as strong as the original. You're fucking retarded if you think the guy who's just strong is as memorable as the person using him.

>>53439066
He's right though, how many protector-of-the-kings do you know and how many kings do you know?

>>53439084
So a kickgirl champion of Wist?

>>53439098
Sure
Make her only line aaaaaaaaa

>>53439098
A Sylph Champion of Wist

>>53439107
they need to use a blade then! And kicks!

>>53439113
aaaaaan Unchained Monk with Flying Kick is perfect!

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Reviewanon for Flowercourt when
Do Jericho, the Ishiguro pair, Witch, Cornelia, Cory in the House, and Mouse

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>>53439146

>>53439091
By that argument so could the rest of the party. What could they do that a golem can't?

>>53439091
I'm not seeing how you couldn't make the same argument for literally every other app besides ones founded around trying to undermine the rulers.

>>53439161
>>53439171
The rest of the applicants have personality, their own goals, and generally aren't described by their relationship to someone else, they're standalones, they work because they're not only someone meaningful with respect to someone else. Jericho is "the King's Sword and the King's Shield". Look at Kino, she's " The one who heightened the place of SCIENCE in the world". Cornelia is someone who "founded Oxford". Giancarlo is like a personified American Dream and is a folk hero who says "you can make it too". Witch is someone who mistrusts authority and wants to help the little guys. Take away half the setting and they're still heroes, or at least meaningful people. Jericho loses half his character right there.

>>53439197
Why is someone being setting specific weird.

>>53439203
Because he's not "setting specific". He only requires that a King exists so he may serve, which is bad because again - he only exists in relation to someone else, which is also the problem I see with Broodie's character. He's a side character.

>>53439205
I agree Broodie's character has a similar problem, but I think that they're in a better place overall as they're a counterpart to a bright heroic figure.

Jericho requires a KING TO SERVE which doesn't fit in a lot of games.

>>53439227
But it fits this one petty well?

>>53439227
Exactly. Broodie's at least works because his represents the unsung hero, who does all the dirty work, the bad shit real heroes are unwilling to do, and just smiles from the alley as she slips away from the celebration. She's the ultimate expression of Humilitas, someone who helps 'real' heroes do work but is unsung herself. That's annoying for a party whose theme is storybook heroism but the guy who's forgotten after he does all his good deeds is hardly uncommon and easily works with a lot of the other apps.

>>53439254
I think Jericho fits AOK in flower court

>>53439254
It actually doesn't though? The King isn't the one who's taking applicants - the Princess is.

>>53439256
And Jericho doesn't represent Pietas perfectly how?

>>53439263
Oh he represents it all right, it's just that it's also all he has to his character, which makes him a mook, as I've been saying. A Golem also represents pietas perfectly.

>>53439258
Jericho/his family doesn't serve just the king though, he serves the royal family.

>>53439270
I'm really not seeing the "he could just be a golem" thing. He hunts down conspirators, that's part of his family's roles. A golem can't do that.

Speaking of DHB why isn't he using his own homebrews

I'm not sure I like any of the Ensoulments.

>>53439296
I liked a lot of the demonlands apps better, RIP.

>>53439296
I'm just waiting on Essentia apps

>>53439277
That you're defending him based only on his abilities >hunting down conspirators with 12 INT and only 6 Sense Motive instead of his person is a problem already. Fine, an Advanced Golem who can take orders to do that. The entire point is that he's literally just a tool.

>>53439296
>not liking Giancarlo
>not liking Kino just for being Kino

Is there any way to get INT to Sense Motive

>>53439311
Actually an advanced golem couldn't manage that by a long shot because it's mindless.

>>53439197
I honestly don't like any of those, at all. The fact that Jericho loses part of his character is a different setting is in no way a bad thing, because they're not playing in a different setting are they.

>>53439369
Yeah its pretty irrelevant.

>>53439356
1. I don't mean the Advanced template
2. You could probably get a mindless computer program written that can identify 'conspiracy' better than 99% of humans
3. Fine a bound Graveknight, it's even smarter.

>>53439369
It's a bad thing because he only exists relative to someone else. When was the last time you saw a hero who was most appropriately described as "X's son", "X's sister", or "X's defender"?

anyone who likes DHB characters is fucking cancerous, you people need to fuck off from this general and neck yourselves

Has path of war errata hit yet?

>>53439379
>X's defender
Literally two knights of the round table

>>53439394
List them

>>53439379
>you could replace a PC with an magical computer
>you could replace a PC with a bound intelligent undead
I mean yeah, and? You can use these argument to replace pretty much every other PC too.

>>53439394
>table knights
>not retarded scrublords
The only decent knight were Mordred, Lancelot, Gawain, Galahad KIND OF because he's less a person and more a platonic ideal, and that one guy who used the Spear.

>>53439408
Fuck your shit, Gareth forever.

I think Idylls of the King is the oldest known pairing fanfiction.

>>53439406
>I mean yeah, and? You can use these argument to replace pretty much every other PC too.
But you can't? The entire point is that Jericho exists to take orders and nothing else, he's not a hero because all he does is execute the orders of the real hero - in this case the king.

>>53439423
Oh yeah Gareth was decent too

>>53439408
this really activated my almonds

Isn't Broodie's character basically Kiritsugu Emiya.

>>53439439
Broodie's is a classic ninja who does bad things for the sake of people who should but won't. I don't think there's a real Kiritsugu app in there.

>>53439384
nope

>>53439453
I meant in essence rather than straight-up-copy-ness.

Kiritsugu was all about being ok with doing evil shit for his goal of world peace.

>>53439396
The Fisher King & Esclados

>>53439424

It's not that he's not a hero, it's that it's hard to consider what kind of cultural hero he would be. Stability and protection are great and he would be an excellent choice for the princess' brother, but I don't see how he helps to establish a kingdom's identity aside from "don't fuck with the royalty." I find his whole image of a hidden serpent waiting to strike from anywhere inspires only submissiveness, but really it's up to what the GM sees in the character.

>>53439463
Kiritsugu is about The Greater Good, Broodie's seems to be more about doing things so the real heroes can have an easier time of it.
Actually depending how you read both Kiritsugu and Cornelia I guess you could say Cornelia is the closest one to Kiritsugu? Her endgame seems to be becoming God so she can save the world.

>>53439478
Hmm, fair point. But I don't think Cornelia is really about the greater good. But that might just be my reading of their app

>>53439478
>Her endgame seems to be becoming God so she can save the world.
That's her personal-endgoal but not one really relevant to the Princess or the ideal she represents (which is just Ubermensch), I put the goal-relevant-to-the-princess down at the bottom of her application.

>>53439488
CCC isn't about the Greater Good, she's about the Ultimate Good. Her personal logic for wanting to become a deity is because you can't make everyone happy and comfy at once so you may as well become a deity and figure it out from there.

>>53437631
Took the opportunity to prune Cayden at last I see.

>>53439509
>tfw when they prune all the best gods.

You ever look at someone else's app, think about how much you like the character for the concept or just because of personal taste, then get disappointed because the overall quality is bad and they probably won't get in on it?

Which ones out of those completed are MECHANICALLY the best? Which ones are MECHANICALLY the worst? Don't think of party compatibility with others, just think how 'good' they are.

>>53439529
No GOD OF FITNESS AND SPORTS either.

>tfw no A-Grav Omniball League

>>53439529
>No Groetus

I feel a great sadness.

Or is this because he finally waited long enough, and now, job done, he's just chilling on a beach somewhere?

>>53439535
Define mechanically the best.

>>53439533
NAME IT PSSY FGGT

>>53439533
who are you talking about

>>53439547
Best in a fight and best overall, I guess.

>>53439555
Best overall will be a wizard of some sort.

Best in a fight is probably one of the path of war characters.

>>53439547
>>53439555
I'm a sucker for the "small town hero striving to be great" archetype, and I like Granblues and the mechanical concept behind Aeldrannas. I enjoy a few of the ideas here and there but it's obviously built backwards from a cheesy red-flag sheet, it's poorly written from a technical perspective, and the characterization looks messy. I get the impression it isn't going to get any better either.

Did I miss PLD greentexts?

>>53439809
Yeah, you missed out. Cashmere finally got fed up with Gloriana's shit and incapped her with magic, shackled her, and had a bunch of hoodlums just go to town on her. It was pretty dope.

>>53439319
Empiricist investigator

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And here we go
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/78606/hells-saboteurs

>>53439875
Deets

>>53440057
>American democracy is the only democracy
Reminder that the winner-takes-all system is one that has fallen out of favor with most civilized nations

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>>53439809
PLD - The Mar College of Magickal Studies arc ends
>Five weeks of downtime pass by in a flash under house arrest at Mar College, along with their new Tome Smiter bodyguard NPC, Cat
>Cashmere breaks three magic collars that they salvaged from the trolls but manages to repurpose two of them for her own devices. She writes a paper on this.
>Gloriana helps out healing people at the local church
>Lysander works at the construction yard and sends the gold to his little sister for her college fund
>Cashmere studies the Tome they nabbed and gains insights, theorising that Tomes are actually windows into The Veil, rather than actual books. To use an anachronic metaphor, they're like browsers and the Veil is the internet. She writes a paper on this.
>Also they transcribe some top secret golem tech out of the tome and make copies because why not
>Cierra and Ashlyn (Bonbon's new character) freeload. Ashlyn is absent actually
>Cierra sneaks into Gloriana's bed at night because she's platonically lonely
>In a scene full of sexual tension, Cashmere successfully transfers her cat fang mutation to Gloriana
>Suddenly one day, an urgent message arrives!
>Cat is in trouble at the local tavern! The party rushes in with no time to dress. Lysander only wears his trousers and Gloriana wears no armor!
>Also Cierra insists that everyone calls her 'Cardinal' when she's in her combat gear as a vigilante sort of thing
>At the tavern they find the bouncer missing, and a trail of blood leading into the alley-
>And the trail leads to the bouncer's freshly dead body. That was fast.
>Lysander rushes past to see if the perpetrators nearby, and hears a scream from the first floor window!

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>>53440194
>Lysander and Cierra climb in while Gloriana and Cashmere circle around to go up the stairs inside, hoping to catch the enemies in a pincer attack
>Gloriana and Cashmere - see a holdup on the ground floor, with Cat at the back surrounded by three Altish Mercenaries! Then what did they hear upstairs-?
>Cierra blasts the window and curtains apart and the avowed pair dives in, to see... the barmaid being assaulted by another mercenary.
>He screams at his lewd scene being interrupted by a man in full plate, but one critical hit and two gunshots later and he's blown against the wall.
>Meanwhile, the three mercenaries below say they're here to send a message, and order the girls to stand aside.
>Obviously, Gloriana and Cashmere refuse to back down against threats of terror, and it breaks into a fight!
>And not an honorable fight either - they all have tanglefoot bags and throw them out, to glue the party down and slow their movements!
>Without any armor, Gloriana is an easy target for their scimitars and takes blow after blow!
>However, the tides turn as Cashmere summons a giant frog and it traps the boss in its mouth, while Gloriana cleaves him in half!
>The giant frog actually wasn't needed because Gloriana crit immediately after
>The other two panic and flee!
>Cierra shoots one of them down from the window as he runs, the other escapes into the market street.
>CLIFFHANGER ENSUES

Say you're a king, /pfg/. You're not an adventurer and so don't use normal kingdom building rules.
If you could have a single wondrous item (candles of invocation don't exist), not an artifact but possibly armor or weapons if you want, if you could have only one, which one would you choose to best secure your kingdom >for eternity?

>>53440194
>She writes a paper on this
>She writes a paper on this
Since when is Slutmere a scholar?

>>53440194
>>53440208
I hope everyone had fun!

>>53440244
Circlet of Mental Superiority +6 not even a question
+6 makes even a drooling retard with 4 in everything become a normal human being and makes a normal person pretty top-of-the-line, and it makes someone who's 14-16 (i.e. really good) a demigod.

>>53440244
>Occultist
>Not being a scholar
Are you confusing Cashmere with Gloriana?
Because Gloriana is the Paladin who wants to bone.

>>53440269
Both of them are filthy sluts

>>53440244
>Slutmere

Cashmere is pure! PURE!

>now we're back to PLDposting

aaaaaaaaa

>>53440288
>Now we're back to the thread having a heart beat, even if still faint

aaaaaaaaaa

>STEMfag app to Ensoulment doesn't even have 20 INT
hmmm

>>53440292
soooomeeee tiiiiiimeeeeeesss deeeeaaaaaathhh issss beeeettteeeerrr

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>>53440194
>Cierra sneaks into Gloriana's bed at night because she's platonically lonely
>platonically

>>53440293
>DHB edits his app
>it fucking doubles in length

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Did anybody save Gunslingers Unchained? I thought I had, but it's looking like I didn't.

Why is WIL keyed to Wis and not Cha? Isn't Charisma force of personality? What are you resisting Charm Person with if not your force of willpower aka strength of person? There's even a trait called Steadfast Personality that gives you bonuses against Domination or Charming.


>>53440308
There's like four others as long or longer so it's not really that big of a deal.

>>53440297
yyyyoooouuuu kknnnnnoooooowwww mmmmmaaaayyyyyybbbbbeeee yyyyoooouuuu''''rrreeee rrrriiiigggghhhhhttttt....

I don't like this new meme

WISTPOSTING IS REACHING DANGEROUS LEVELS

>>53440336
is that because you're Wist?

>>53440341
aaaaaaaaa no

>>53440346
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>looking through apps
>there's a d6 class with 8 Con
Suicidal desu

>>53440339
Real Talk: Wist is fun to play with, and very kind.

>>53440361
ABSOLUTE
MADMAN

>>53440366
I thought real talks were about dropping truth bombs not common knowledge.

>>53440208
>burly altish assassins
What a waste they died

>>53440361
who

>>53440316
Wisdom represents willpower.

>>53440409
And what does Willpower have to do with Heal, Perception, Survival and Sense Motive?

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>>53440389
Everybody's acting all weird; I'm just trying to get people on track here.

>>53440421
>Heal
You REALLY want to help your buddy
>Perception
You REALLY want to see those traps
>Survival
You REALLY want to find those berries
>Sense Motive
You REALLY want to get to the bottom of this

>>53440431
t. Shonen Protagonist

>>53440421
>steady hands and persistence
>knowing to keep looking even when nothing shows up
>patience while hunting, gathering, and tracking
>not just taking shit at face value even if it sounds good on paper.
Also because Wisdom also represents common sense and awareness?

>>53437846
>Worshiping Erastil
Never ever after Kingmaker

>>53440423
if that's the case. . .
maybe YOU'RE Wist!

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>53440443
>steady hands and persistence
But how does that help you know how to cure X sickness or how to bind gashed wounds correctly? If you don't know already it's not going to do shit. And persistence isn't needed for most wounds, you're not doing long-ass surgery.

>knowing to keep looking even when nothing shows up
That sounds like Int.

>patience while hunting, gathering, and tracking
Not what Survival represents or how it's checked, Survival is stuff like finding edible fruit within an hour, not the maximum time you can look for fruit.

>not just taking shit at face value even if it sounds good on paper
Horseshit this is under Willpower, Sense Motive is either Int or Cha there's no two ways about it.

>Wisdom also represents common sense
Sounds only 'common' when it's Wis 10.
>and awareness
And this has to do with Willpower because?

Man, reading Flower Court makes me want to app with Senator Armstrong.

>The great -isms!

It is 5am -8 Global world time
And I am coining the phrase "Wist-hunters" do to exhibit A:>>53440457 and B:>>53440341
That is all. have a nice "aaaaaaaa"

>>53440469
Heal can be int too with the right trait

>>53440483
MAKING THE WORLD'S BIGGEST OMELET HERE

CAN'T AFFORD TO CRY OVER EVERY EGG

>>53440486
>It is 5am -8 Global world time
Yeah but it's 20:00 where Wist is so primetime for her >implying she's not riding her boyfriend right now

>>53440457
I'm not Wist, but I appreciate Wist for all the kindness she has shown me.
I do not exaggerate when I say that Wist helped me in one of the darkest times of my life, and for that I am very grateful.

But back on topic; if I take Spirited Charge at Level 5, I'm still good to go, right? That's a tolerable progression for a mounted character?

>>53440492
Wist's boyfriend spotted

>>53440492
>>53440495
soooooo
QANON?

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>>53440490
>Wist
>Boyfriend

>>53440509
see >>53440507

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>>53440509
Don't kid yourself anon she's too nice to be single

>>53440518
anon

girls can love girls

I was reading the Witch archetypes, and this line from the Tatterdemalion stood out to me:

"She can control her clothing and cloth, rope, or woven fabric she wears in a manner otherwise identical to the prehensile hair hex."

Is it just wishful thinking of me to interpret this as a constant ability? It would restore some usefulness to this worthless archetype, but I guess "identical to" includes the duration and need for activation.

>>53440469
>But how does that help you know how to cure X sickness or how to bind gashed wounds correctly?
Folk medicine. This isn't the modern day. That's why you need a trait to represent that you're Heal skill comes from legit medical knowledge as opposed to just stuff that's been passed down.
>That sounds like Int.
Have you ever heard something to the effect of "sometimes the smartest of us miss the forrest for the trees"?
>survival
That's gathering
>Sense Motive
It makes perfect sense that's under willpower. It's the ability to hear something and realize "wait people lie" and understanding how/why a person might lie.
>Sounds only 'common' when it's Wis 10.
You'll be surprised how much common sense isn't that common. Think "street smarts".
>And this has to do with Willpower because?
It doesn't. Wisdom just also represents awareness.

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>>53440522
It's a Boyfriend (Female)

>>53440492
You want spirited charge as early as possible, but as long as you take it before level 7 you should be good.

>>53440518
That's not what the anon was getting at with >Boyfriend.

We've been over this, EVERY girl here at pfg is a lesbo. Duh.

>>53440538
Great! I wanted room to grab Noble Scion (War), so the last charging feat got pushed back to 5, but I think it's worth it!

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>>53440550
before level 5, a dude with a lance charging on horseback should be enough damage to kill a lot of suckers outright. Level 5 is about when it'd be tapering off, so that's actually a pretty good time.

Good call on Noble Scion.

What if Wist isn't a girl, anons

>>53440531
It's a constant ability, yes.

>>53440532
>Folk medicine
So yeah, Kn (Folk Medicine)? Common Sense doesn't let you bind stab wounds.

>Have you ever heard something to the effect of "sometimes the smartest of us miss the forrest for the trees"?
No because it's wrong? They'd have heard the saying before you. If anything they'd notice the trees just as well as you, and understand that they're in fact not in a forest because it's a jungle.

>It makes perfect sense that's under willpower. It's the ability to hear something and realize "wait people lie" and understanding how/why a person might lie.
So a hot-headed guy with lots of 'willpower' and who's unwilling to back down can magically "realize people lie" and see through the thought-out lies the vizier spouts better than the person with ranks in Kn (Nobility) or Bluff (i.e. who knows how people who lie tend to do so)? What the hell?

>You'll be surprised how much common sense isn't that common. Think "street smarts".
If it's not common, then it isn't common sense, and street smarts is experience, not 'street' nor 'smart'. Someone who's 'street smart' knows people are lying because they're experienced with lies and knows how to convince others because they've had to convince people before.

>Wisdom just also represents awareness
So Wisdom represents whatever the fuck we want it to?

>>53440194
>Lysander works at the construction yard
>Cute trap getting all sweaty and hot around a pack of burly men

I hope they had a long lunch break to really get acquainted with him

>>53440568
Then that means QANON isn't a lesbian
I wish QANON would yell at me, but I got a dick. . .

>>53440568
Then they're a girl (male)

>>53440576
Please explain to me why, and direct me to any rules clarification you've found.

>>53440568
What if Wist is a girl but QANON isn't?

>>53440587
What if they're a guy (guy)

>>53440594
impossible, they're too cute

What if we're all girls but don't know it

>>53440597
I mean, I know I got a dick and a masculine appearance.
But go on. . .

>>53440596
pfg could be lusting after a guy (guy) cause I haven't seen anything proving that Wist is any which way

>>53440532
>Folk medicine. This isn't the modern day
You know that sages and traditional medicine was just as much of a formal thing you were trained in as modern medicine right? There were entire schools of teaching people how to chew the right herbs and knowing where to prick and bind gashes to minimize infection. Random old dudes knew as much about folk treatments for aching backs and headaches as they do today i.e. maybe the 3-4 free ranks you get from Venerable.

>>53440608
It's just an illusion.

Remember when we used to talk about Pathfinder?

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>>53440565
I'm excited! I hope people like the app. I'm hoping to post it late tonight, once I get a chance to really work on it this evening. If I need more time, I'll pop it up there Saturday morning, since it's a pretty lazy day tomorrow.

>>53440617
Release Bestiary VII and we'll talk

>>53440577
>So yeah, Kn (Folk Medicine)?
Not a skill. Again. Take a trait to reflect that. In Pathfinder it does.
>No because it's wrong?
Okay so you're either retarded or legitimately autistic. It's a figure of fucking speech.
>No because it's wrong?
Nothing to do with Wisdom. It's a personality trait.
>can magically "realize people lie" and see through the thought-out lies the vizier spouts better than the person with ranks in Kn (Nobility) or Bluff
Yes. Someone with enough awareness and common sense will be more likely to see through lies than someone who doesn't just by the way the Vizier is acting. The Knowledge and Bluff guy can do it too, they just have to put more pieces together.
> street smarts is experience,
Which is what we call Wisdom in some cases. Knowing from experience vs logic.
>So Wisdom represents whatever the fuck we want it to?
Just like you deliberately misrepresent what it represents throughout your little "argument".

At the end of the day, Wisdom represents what the book says it represents unless you can find examples to the contrary within the game.

You can pretty much make a strong argument for almost every mental skill in the game being replaced with another mental skill.

>>53440654
>with another mental skill*
*stat.

I meant stat

>>53440638
>In Pathfinder it does
But it literally fucking doesn't? The fact of the matter is that having 'common sense' and 'awareness' is not going to help you heal someone, period. How much common sense tells you what herb will cure a blinding headache?

>Someone with enough awareness and common sense will be more likely to see through lies than someone who doesn't just by the way the Vizier is acting.
You're using 'common sense' as a fucking wildcard. How is someone who's bluffing going to 'act' weird, especially if you don't know how people who are lying are acting? Why can he tell 'why someone would lie' when he can't even piece together what the vizier has to gain from enriching the king and protecting the prince instead of taking the crown for himself?

>Nothing to do with Wisdom. It's a personality trait.
>nothing to do with Wisdom
So yeah, it shouldn't be Wisdom?

>Which is what we call Wisdom in some cases. Knowing from experience vs logic.
Which is not what the book says it represents. This WOULD actually make sense, if not for the fact that it then shouldn't be a mental stat at all because it represents experience in shit. Someone who's been adventuring a long time can tell when a cave is just "off" and there's probably a Gel. Cube nearby, the most experienced dude who spends time mainly in open farmland won't be able to detect that.

>Just like you deliberately misrepresent what it represents throughout your little "argument".
Except I haven't, I'm objecting to how it represents fucking everything.

>Wisdom represents what the book says it represents unless you can find examples to the contrary within the game
All of my points did just that, you're using Common Sense as a wildcard far beyond what common sense can actually do.

>>53440654
>>53440664
Except Wisdom represents apparently everything else besides Intelligence and Charisma, which can be summed up in a single term instead of the three or four (completely unrelated ones) that Wisdom needs.

>>53440692
Why's wisdom make you good at seeing things anyway?

>>53440654
All of them can be keyed to Intelligence instead but keying something like Knowledge or Survival to Charisma sounds tough as balls