Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for farsight
The one true god

First for Kroot, destined to be the best army of 8th! We'll finally be a thing, right? Right?

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>>53436740
We're either getting Kroot or Chaos Tau.

>>53436740
>Kroot Shapers are not HQ

>>53436740
Who?

>>53436763
While I would be excited to see chaos tau, I'd rather just farsight farsight farsight
You farsight, farsight?

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>>53436776

Latest news is ork faction focus

>>53436804
Not ringing any bells.

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>53435877
Wew missed this hard, couldn't list the exact models atm but a mech (as in vehicles) Tau army that needs a lot of love. Got a load from another player awhile back and never got around to painting or doing anything with the force, I bought a Riptide and a new Crisis commander solely because I liked the model. Other than that though there are no suits

Would take money but wouldn't feel right considering the condition of some of these models, would rather get some Orks

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>>53436763
>Chaos Tau
I could even see how'd they'd set it up if they haven't already in the fluff.
>THIS BIG NEW HOLE IN SPACE HAS MADE CHAOS EVEN STRONGER SO THEY CAN GET THEIR HOOKS IN THINGS WITH VERY LITTLE WARP PRESENCE LIKE NECRONS AND THE TAU!
I'd honestly prefer Kroot as its own army, or at least Auxiliaries as their own army.

>>53436827
ZOG ME
>>53435877

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>>53436807
now it is also traitorous.

>>53436827
Riptides a pretty sweet model
Make sure to paint it nicely

>>53436831
Chaos has always been able to sink their hooks in Tau when they wanted to. It was just that Tau are like breadcrums, and why waste effort on those when there are more tasty morsels around.

But now that daemons can basically step out of a warp storm straight onto Tau worlds they might as well.

>>53436831
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/13/new-warhammer-40000-war-zone-damocles-may13gw-homepage-post-4/

>Wait, fifth? What happened to number four?
>Yeah, about that. So, the dynamic and ever optimistic T’au might have been a little over-eager to embark on a new expansion.
>The Fourth Sphere Expansion fleet set off almost immediately once the fires in the Gulf had subsided, but with the Great Rift still raging through that region of space, all contact with them was soon lost. Were they all killed by some unknown attacker(s)? Did they just lose contact due to interference? Perhaps they entered the Warp – intentionally or not – becoming lost (or worse) in the violent empyrean tides? Maybe they will yet be found, or emerge somewhere unexpected in the galaxy, a lost portion of this optimistic new empire ever intent on conquest…
>We’ll have to wait and see

Kroot Faction WHEN?

>>53436867
I'm trying to get rid of my Tau, it's modeled quite nicely though, one of my favorites to assemble

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>>53436913
NPC allies of an NPC faction don't deserve a faction focus.

>>53436942
Go back to your containment game, marine.

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>walk down to Geedubs on lunch break
>dude behind the counter is spruking Dark Imperium to whoever will listen
>ask abot cost in dollarydoos since I know I'll be paying the Australia tax
"The price hasn't been released yet, it will go up on the community site."
>um ok
>ask about any new kits being released around the same time
"We only know what's been posted on the community site."
>mfw staff get their news at the same time we do

At least he could confirm that the set will come with transfer sheets

>>53436976
Management might get some early info in order to run some promotions, but aussie staff will obviously never know anything because they're all kiwis.

>>53436976
Aus price for Dark Imperium will be $220, Rulebook $98, index's $40. Managers know a shitload, not sure about regular staff.

>>53436976
He's lying.

>>53436976
How do GW even keep their shops open and people employed if nobody buys stuff there? Isn't it strictly better to order stuff online?

>>53436976
He might not be able to say more until a certain day. That's how it was when I worked as a sales associate years ago. Can't tell details until a certain day.

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Why did the most famous and widely used tank in the Imperial Guard get named after a Space Marine primarch?

>>53436976
I asked my local Ausfailia retailer and he says the have prices and more info but can't share due to NDA. He did hint that he is pretty happy with the prices though.

>>53437026
people are willing to pay for the thing being in their hand that moment instead of waiting a few days.

I'm excited about 8E but I think the new fluff is pretty much shit. But I'm rule zeroing the shitty fluff and using the good new rules.

You should do this too.

>>53437040
Mostly a relic from Rogue Trader lore, when Leman Russ was just a regular human commander, and the tank named after him as an honour.

>>53437045
I guess that makes sense, but their profit margin per shop must be incredibly small.

>>53437005
That's obviously way more expensive than it should be, but $220 isn't bad when $98 of it is the full rulebook.

>>53437040

Yes, who could forget Primarch Exterminator?

>>53437026
Warhammer is a social activity and GW shops provide the meeting house.

If GW closed their stores, even if no product was sold, they'd lose at least some money.

as someone who's thinking of getting back into the hobby, what do i need to update myself to 8th edition?

I hear the rules will be free and online, but what am i missing out on?

Alright I'm shit bored of Tau.

So I'm thinking of converting my ghostkeel into a deff dred, I think it's got potential. Thinking some sort of warbuggy for the pirahnas, but still not sure about the hammerheads.

>>53437106
My closest gw is two hours away, shit sucks but I'd probably only find age of sigmar players anyways.

>>53436976
Why would you ever go to a GW store at all, let alone one in Australia.

>>53437123
Just buy the rulebook and the Index with your army in it.

You only get basic rules and no points free.

>>53437128
Sell them and buy orks+a bunch of bits!

>>53436942
Farsight is no NPC

I'm painting a drop pod and I want it to look dark/ burnt up so I'm planning on washing the whole thing with nuln oil. Does this generally look good? I was also planning on edge highlighting with a silver to look like paints been burnt away

>>53437040
Exterminators and Taurox Primes will be sex in 8th.

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>>53437137
Can confirm. EVERY Games Workshop in Australia smells like sweat, body odor, shit, and spunk. It makes you wonder why all the regulars aren't more into Nurgle armies.

>>53437123
If you only want to play casually you can probably get by with the free core rules and online datasheets. Of course that has limitations like only one scenario, and not being about to play for points. So generally you'll want the rulebook and the index book which covers your army. If you know someone else who will be getting the rulebook you could probably get by with just the index, which is only like $25.

>>53437232
>FW Vulture with twinlinked Punisher
>40 shots

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Anyone planning to buy the starter box and keep both sides? I know a lot of people are going halves with friends, or swapping for extra models, but I really like both sides. I was only recently thinking about Death Guard, and I've never had a loyalist army before.

>>53437235
Nurgle cares about his followers, GW sees them as chattel.

>>53437202
I recommend using this method for drop pods with an atmosphereic entry scorched appearance. Super easy and looks great.

https://youtu.be/4iAmo6_9PAs

>>53437074
Chadmarines are inescapable since they're in the starter and will be 85% of new releases for the next decade.

>>53437106
The only things to meet at GW stores are desperate, pushy salesmen and children.

>>53437236
Are there even going to be online datasheets? I don't think I've seen GW mention them once.

>>53437248
I've considered getting one. Army of nothing but Punishers Vultures and Taurox Primes.

>>53437235
How else will we keep girls out?

>>53437317
Unfortunately you'd need like 8 rounds of shooting vultures to kill something like a knight. It would be hilarious though.

>>53437248
>>53437317
I'd wait until the actual rules for 8th Ed are published for it. Somebody might decide rolling 40 fucking dice every time it shoots is just a tad fucking ridiculous, and adjust the amount of shots downward in return for maybe boosting the strength and armor piercing a bit. Or something like that.

So if all you wanted to do was pitch two handfuls of dice across the table, I'd wait on running out and buying the model for that right now.

>>53437270
>Playing as space marines

Seriously?

>>53437249
Nah, sell marine side to get the full multi part kit later. Nurgle marine even with full kit release would still be different from those in starter box (due to mutation and stuff).

>>53437348
Considering FRF,SRF makes guardsmen fire 4 shots at short range now they can't be that worried about making you roll a shitload of dice.

>>53437285
Depends on location.
I remember a Geedubs in a mall, it sucked, full of children and bothersome salesmen.

But another one, not in a mall or around an area with many kids, is quite pleasant. And the salespeople do no more than "need any paint or glue for that?".

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>>53437270
>Chadmarines

>>53437349
>most armies are marines
>all starter sets have marines
>these last couple had marines vs marines ad the starter
>horus heresy
>new marines
I don't know.

>>53437317

Real talk: I'm sure the novelty of rolling two literal handfulls of dice every time you shoot would quickly lose its appeal for both you and the other guy when each rain of dice hits the table and knocks every fucking thing over. Or you could just roll them elsewhere off the board, I know, but I doubt you and/or your opponent wants to constantly step to the side of an 8 foot board to see the results.

TL;DR consider the actual logistics of so many dice

>>53437361
You might be right. Or they might limit how many times you can use that order per game somehow. Like make it cost a command point or something.

>>53436883
I really doubt these guys are going to be chaos tau. I think its just an excuse to move tau out of tiny area in an eastern backwater of imperial space.

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>>53437249
That's what I'm planning to do. I really like both factions and their models.

>>53437385
i use sicarian infiltrators in my skitarii lists and i can confirm rolling 25 dice in my shooting phase and following it up with 26 in melee is tedious as fuck, have more than one unit do that would be a rough time.

>>53437385
It will get old for my opponent but not for me. I've been First Rank Fire Second Rank Fire blobs since 5th and using Punishers every game.

>>53437385
There are various dice rolling apps. They can be rather convenient well rolling large amounts of dice.

>>53437398
I wouldn't be surprised if orders are special guard stratagem-like things now considering they auto-succeed now but I know several people that don't think this is the case so who knows.

How much stopping power does a lasgun have?

>>53437409
>that's a Primaris Boner
Don't use performance enhancing steroids, kids.

>>53437235
mine is fine. I live in Darwin NT it's pretty much the only place to get a game. The store guy there will to you how to get cheaper alternatives of a lot of shit they sell there he isn't pushy at all.

>>53437437
In the fluff: It can punch a fist-sized hole in a typical concrete wall at full power.

On the table: They're called "flashlights" for a reason.

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>>53437354
>sell marine side to get the full multi part kit later
Why do you think the starter box will be monopose? Prospero, Calth, and the Talons boxes have all been multipart, as well as the various other boxed games. The last monopose box I can remember was Dark Vengeance, which is what, five years old?

>>53437296
No confirmation yet. But I expect them.

>>53437382
If you aren't playing *as* marines you can call the chads what they are: "slightly larger marines". Let the asshole across the table deal with having shitty fluff and a meme army, it's not your problem.

>>53437440
He has two of them.

>>53437437
At a regular power setting they are about the same as a modern day assault rifle.

>>53437437
Enough to stop a baneblade apparently

>>53437475
But modern day assault rifles don't have a standard stopping power. 5.56 isn't as strong as 7.62 for example.

What chapter should I paint my Primaris Marines as?

>>53437507

Rainbow Warriors.

>>53437497
Then use your imagination and extrapolate that lasguns can operate on one setting for the equivalent of 5.56 and a slightly higher setting for 7.62

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>>53437507
This one.

>>53437463
Because the guy hired by GW to paint the miniature said it's snapfit. And he's the one who leak the Plasma Nu-marine.

None of those HH kit are "starter box"

>>53437515
If I wanted to make shit up I wouldn't have asked here in the first place. I want to know what the fluff says.

>>53437510
>>53437531

I would like to change my vote.

>>53437531
>>53437510
Dark angels?

>>53437542
The fluff fucking states what I just told you.

In a nutshell: There are so many different models of lasguns that they don't have a standard stopping power either. That's canon.

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>>53437537
Oh, fuck me. Well, I'm no longer on board then, I really like making my dudes from "scratch."

>>53437437
You can change its setting. It goes from giving 3rd degree sunburns to blasting limbs off. If to you overcharge the laspack and set it to release all at once it can shear through ceramite.

I could even like the Chads if they were Ultramarines-only and were an explicit attempt by Rowboat to do a "Velvet glove/iron fist" coup with his newly legion-strength Chapter (made more ironic since he was the one who chaptered the legions up in the first place). That would be grimdark and not terribly shit.

Rather than being, well, what they fucking are.

>>53437575
>shear through ceramite

bullshit, only those dumb hotshot lasguns can do that.

>>53436831

I used to pay a kroot merc army back when it was a thing.

Was fun and if you were a solid player you could tear some shit up in low point games.

>>53437596
a hotshot lasgun is still a lasgun in the same way that a heavy bolter is still a bolter

>>53437596
>hotshot lasguns

guess how i know you're new as fuck

what's the deal with forge world not selling death korps grenadiers and a fair amount of their heavy weapons teams anymore?

>>53437596
A lasgun can do it once, then you need to reload. A hotshot lasgun can do it multiple times.

>220 kangaroo dollars for the new starter set

Fuck me that means it's going to be like 250-270 kiwibucks. I can't believe Australians whinge about their pricing when ours is the most expensive on the fucking planet. Just fuck my shit up

>>53437616
If there was a special ammo that made lasguns marine killers, then what the fuck would be the point of deploying marines?

>>53437616
>>53437614
>>53437596
>>53437575
>>53437558
Would a medium-setting lasgun shot to the abdomen stop a suicidally enraged charging cultist?

>>53437650
Because only a few forge worlds know how to produce hellguns or hotshot power packs

>>53437650
Think about all the ways marines are superior to stormtroopers, then apologize.

>>53437652
Unless the cultist was armored, yes.

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Because wip is dead I'm going to post this here.
This is a battle suit I'm working on. Still needs highlights and some bits and bobs done as well as the sub assemblies. I think it looks like shit, kind of wished I had picked imperial guard instead.

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>>53437615
Sent them an email a few days ago to this effect. Got this reply:

"Thank you for contacting us about DKK Grenadier Squad. As you've seen, we have recently removed several product from the Forge World web store that have been out of stock for some time. All of these products will need substantial work for us to be able to produce them again. We hope to have many of these products back on sale in the future. Unfortunately we don't yet have a timescale for this work."

>>53437650
Bolt weapons can be just as deadly and can even be moreso with better ammunition. Guardsmen can use bolt weapons. So why don't you tell me why they keep producing marines?

>Play Night Lords
>starter set is all DG and nuMarines
>literally have no use for anything but the book

Well.... Fuck.

>>53437249
I had planned to trade primaris for dg but my friend JUST got canned from his job and I know noone else

>>53437675
Hey bud, it's not bad, you just chose to do the hardest fucking color scheme imaginable. White. Clean it up a bit, or in this case, I would weather the fuck out of it, nuln oil and agrax earthshade streaks as well as a super watered down brown or black paint streaks, and some chips will help pull it together.

Or paint in better color schemes. It's not terrible anon, just basic.

>>53436868
Wrong. A greater daemon tried to corrupt and posses an ethereal and a fire warrior in a novel. he failed.

>>53437680
>DKoK confirmed for Squatting.

As a guard player, I strongly endorse this course of action. Fuck DKoK.

>>53437674
Even a nurgle cultist would probably go down if he wasn't already "dead'.

>>53437680
They must be moving the DKoK over to GW to make up for Cadia.

>>53437463
Because GW said they are monopose on normiebook ?

>>53437705
I'm pretty sure they just need new molds. There's literally nothing about that email that suggests squatting.

>>53437675
Picking white for your first army is like deciding to learn to whittle with your first piece being a traditional Black Forest cuckoo clock.

White's a bitch anon. It looks pretty good for all that. Thinner coats will make it smoother, or use an airbrush. You can drybrush your base color back over the washes to clean them up and blend them.

>>53437705
Why do you hate D KoK?

>>53437701
>Believing anything coming out of BL

And that is where you went wrong my friend. It is an easy mistake to make, but BL is basically fanfic, if not shitty fanfic.

>>53437732

Overplayed, overhyped, protects weak painters by not having visible skin, turns Guard into Space Marines lite by being militantly anti-your dudes, not even that great of sculpts (Solar Aux are way, way better).

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>>53437715
Email anon here. I think they're just reworking the mold- I sent another email about the At Ease versions of the regular infantry and they said they were rebuilding the molds for a lot of the DKK line. To me, if they're needing to rebuild the mold, they're popular enough and sell enough units to make it economical to keep selling.

>>53437705
Heretic detected.

>>53437715
It just means the moulds are fucked and they don't sell enough to bother replacing them immediately.

>>53437714
I mean, like, carapace or some shit. Or heavy flak.

>>53437409
>That beer gut
Thicc.

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>>53437762
>militantly anti-your dudes
Do you actually believe that ebin "Kriegers are all clones you guys!" meme?

>>53437773
Email I got said the master mold was the one that was fucked. The mold they use to make molds. That one probably takes longer to replace.

>>53437762
What's wrong with having different flavours of Guard to cater to different players? If you like the whole faceless ww1 meat grinder thing go with Kriegers, if not just choose ANYONE else. What a silly mentality you have.

>>53437787
tell me about Krieg, why do they wear the mask?

>>53437792
Either way it's just a mould issue and nothing is getting squatted despite what this idiot >>53437762 wishes

>>53437800
they gross.

>>53437714
Nurgle cultists are stronk as shit in the lore.

>>53437800
Because if they took them off they would die.

>>53437748
BL > your headcanon.

>>53437800
because the air on their panet is toxic

>>53437817
But they're reasonably fit guys

If the horse doesnt wear a mask, why does the trooper?

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>>53437817

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>>53437800
Poison gas is everywhere, either being fired at your enemy or being fired from your enemy.
They can't catch you by surprise with it if you never take your gas mask off.

>>53437839
The horses do wear masks.

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>>53437839
The horses do wear masks.

>>53437839
The horse does wear a mask you nonce.

>>53437800
A lot of loyalty for a vat born guardsman!

>>53437834
Nonsense, Kriegers bask in gas and incendiaries like winos at a vineyard. The secret is that fresh air is toxic to a Korpsman, makes them pass out. The filter's got enough crud in it to unpurify air for breathing.

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>>53437674
I'm talking about a single shot, btw. The cultist and his buddies, who all wore looted flak armor, were pinned down inside a building by an autocannon chimera and the guardsmen it carried, so he decided to jump down one of the side windows and flank the guardsmen who were using the vehicle as cover.

So he went at them screaming obscenities while hip-firing his lasgun and hastily walking towards them. Three of the loyalists noticed him and started shooting immediately, most of the shots were aimed at the chest and being stopped by his flak armor. One of them hit the lasgun and it exploded, but the guy was berserk and just pulled out his knife and ran straight at them.

The idea is that the guy takes a shot in the gut while running, staggers, quickly gets up and lunges at the nearest guardsman, who dodges. The cultist attacks again, coming straight at him and gets stabbed in the chest by the guardsman who extended his bayonet while trying to back up, but still manages to stab the guy in the right arm, which makes him drop the lasgun. He then activates a frag grenade which makes guardsmen squad scatter away from the chimera, blowing himself up and inspiring his buddies into a berserk frenzy that makes them charge into the rest of the guardsmen. The chimera crew is eventually forced to shoot everyone to pieces.

But if that gut-shot was enough to drop the berserkering cultist, then I might have to re-write the whole scene.

>>53437839
>>53437850
>Reasonably fit
>Only Guard regiment that has to HWS the Heavy Flamer

Lulz.

>>53437881
>he doesn't want a battle buddy

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>>53437875
Chaos is a hell of a drug.
It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say the howling madman running into the line of fire could tank a shot or too because he's too insane to realize he's hurt.

wtf i love krieg now... well ive always liked them.. yet they're just men.

Which legion/off-shoot could count as Kriegmarines?

>>53437881
One man gets the weapon. The second gets ammo. When the first man dies, the second will pick up the weapon and continue to fight.

Such is life on Krieg.

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So this new Jain-Zar book is actually bretty gut.

She literally has cyber-sex with a DE in the first 50 pages, which was pretty cool.

Anyone else read this? And how is Asurmen?

>>53437839

Also, that's not a horse. Check the feet. >>53437861

>>53437912
Pre-Heresy Death Guard.
For current loyalists?
I dunno, which is the most fatalistically grim, determined chapter out there?

are there datasheets in the main rulebook?

do the index books have both power levels and points or just one?

>>53437894
Well normal people can already do that kind of thing when in high-adrenaline. I once read about a man who was attacked by a grizzly bear going berserk and killing the bear with his bare hands before dying from his wounds.

The thing is that if the round/laser is strong enough he could be blasted from his feet, giving the guardsmen enough time to finish him off.

>>53437082
I think in later lore, when the Primarchs were nonspecifically awesome, they mentioned him getting along well with the Guard, and actually designing the tank.
Then there were more retcons, and Russ's ability to communicate was limited to scratches clawed into bits of bark, so he discovered the STC or something like that.

>>53437941
>I once read about a man who was attacked by a grizzly bear going berserk and killing the bear with his bare hands before dying from his wounds.
I once read about a British school where they teach the students wizardry and how to fly on brooms.

>>53437924
>eldar have cyber sex instead of babies
no wonder they're dying out. Can eldar not reproduce sexually?

>>53437941
I don't think a las bolt has much kinetic force behind it, though I could be talking out my ass.

>>53437944
>they mentioned him getting along well with the Guard
Which is funny because in the current lore he is absolutely disdainful of them and the Imperial Army goes out of their way to avoid the Wolves.

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>>53437959
Probably too worried about Slaanesh jerking off over their shoulder if they try.

>>53437762
>protects weak painters by not having visible skin
I think you mean 'encourages weak painters to actually try to fucking paint as opposed to just fielding yet another gray blob army.'

>>53437875
A las-round in the gut will turn a decent percentage of your organs to shredded meat. Tons of blood everywhere.

Maybe have the Cultist be high as fuck on Obscura.

>>53437983
It's odd, but over time Leman Russ has been turned into more and more of a gaint butthole.

>>53437999
>Tzeentchy trips
>Implying it's not Magnus manipulating our reality to paint himself as the hero while making his brother look like a cunt
YOU HEAR ME YOU RED FUCK?
I'M WISE TO YOUR SCHEMES

>>53437983
...You know, when BL puts the HH shit together, you'd think they'd have SOME sort of guiding principles. You'd think that there's be some VAGUE bit of internal logic.
'Hey, the Guard's main armored unit is named after the Primarch of the Space Wolves!'
'Well, clearly, that means they hate each other!'

>>53438029
It's what happens when you let a bunch of chaosfags write the fluff.

>>53437998
>blood everywhere

lasers cauterize the wound anon

>>53436831
They already have, 's called ethereals

>>53437787
What book is this from? A codex? Which edition? Are other Guard regiments portrayed the same way? I MUST KNOW!

>>53438051
One of the Imperial Armors about The Siege of Vraks.
I wanna say 5 but I'm not exactly sure.

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>>53437999
>those trips
I wonder who could be behind this post...

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>>53437248
>FW
You are a shit

>>53438029
>implying soldiers have the authority to name vehicles
It was probably just some bureaucrat sucking up to one of the 20 demigods of the Imperium.

And it wasn't BL who did it that was FW.

>>53438045
They don't though.

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>>53438011
>>53438069
Holy shit the coincidence.

Maybe I am a disciple of Tzeetch after all.

>>53438132
it's a sign, clearly you should be playing tsons or tzeentch daemons

Am I in 2011
What is with people thinking FW is op

>>53438126
>>53438045
Do they or not? Arent lasers supossed to burn your flesh and shit. I could se a las wound taking more time to bleed out due to all the dry, charred tissue blocking the blood from the exit.

>tfw still have my Kasrkins

Do you think IG veteran guns will have a statline to fit what Kasrkins carry?

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sup guise, i'm here to tell you that 80k is going to be totally sweet, you could just trust me because i didnt sign a contract with the devil...

>>53438073
Ah, yes, as long as any changes to the lore make things more boring, that's alright!

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I was super into the Dark Eldar for a bit but now the assasins looks super cool. I know they can't be used as a solo force but eh. Help me be less wishy washy

>>53438185
Kasrkins are Scion equivalents though

>>53438154
Naw you're right, Ta'unar Supremacy Armour is completely balanced.

>>53438182
They don't. Laser wounds are bloody as shit.

>>53438214
Thats just one unit.

>>53438214
One model being broken doesn't really mean everything from FW is broken.

>>53438215
>because i say so
Wew lad. Do you actually have a reason to insist or am I just getting memed?

>>53438224
show up to an 1850 point game with 10-15 models. i like it.

>>53438209
I own kasrkins and stormtroopers, so I ran my kasrkins as vets (back when I played in 5th) since they could take carapace armour.

>>53438255
How much do you like winning?

do you think FW will port over the Custodes grav tanks for the 40k Talons of the Emperor or will they stick with the gay contemptor and land raider shit?

>>53438230
Laser wounds being charred is the meme buddy. Do you really want me to go into a breakdown of how a properly pulsed laser drills quarter-sized holes into your body?

What is the effective range of 40k flamers? Do they shoot wide, short-ranged bouts of flame like the WW2 flamethrowers or medium-ranged streams of burning napalm like Vietnam-era ones?

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>>53438263
So its that bad?

>>53438263
im not the guy who was thinking about buying them i just like the idea of it lol

>>53438273
They get new rules in 8th so who knows

>>53437385
Dude, roll them in a box. It's pretty easy. I use my old ork battleforce box and put my dice in one half, toss them into the other, and then pull out my failures and toss them in the now-empty one.

>>53438268
Yes please, considering you haven't given even the basic reasoning for your statement.

Does anyone else think armies with expensive troops are going to get punished by these stratagem/CP bonuses?

Just I thought I had going over the detachments again. 4 units of gaunts versus 4 units of rubrics for example is quite a large points difference.

>>53438256
Well I doubt vet equipment is changing too much from 7th. Though I'd love it if they could take hellguns/hot-shots though that would kind of make stormtroopers redundant.

>>53438281
Oh FFS, my reasoning is the literal physical application of lasers to tissues. When your flesh is superheated far past it's boiling point, it splits open like a hot dog in the microwave.

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>>53438285
Maybe high points-per-model armies will get some kind of bonus to CP for being outnumbered.

>>53438281
Not him, but the damage done by lasers is not because it burns through you, it's because it superheats the liquid in your body and causes it to explode. Your insides would pop.

>>53438294
"Veterans now are truly seasoned warriors that–while no Adeptus Astartes–are soldiers to be respected."

According to the faction focus. So maybe they'll get a buff to their stats, a special rule, or maybe some new gear.

>>53437005
That's pretty significantly more than Dark Vengeance.
Got a source?

>>53438285

We've already seen that rubrics have gotten a colossal buff over their old stat-line.
I'd expect other expensive troop choices to feel like actual tools rather than detachment tax.

>>53438339
I thought they already showed this to be true with the detachment thing. Smaller detachment means more command points, but fewer possible units on the table.

>>53438346
I'd imagine doctrines are probably just getting improved or they'll have decent ld, but who knows. I'm mostly expecting the whole "seasoned warrior" thing to be mostly reflected in their special rules.

So, are chadmarines fluff-wise bigger than regular marines - or just models are bigger, because GW wants us to throw away our armies and buy new ones?

>>53438279
Doesn't that kinda ruin the elite feeling they have?
Maybe I'll just use them as desperate allies for deldar or something

I hope broadsides with railguns become viable again. I hate the rocketfists and hammerhead is a very plain model.

>>53438345
>>53438324
>It's so hot that it doesn't burn

Nigger what

>>53438366
Both.

>>53437235
The one I go to in SA is pretty good, unless you get to close to the primary WAAC fag and cop his stink.
Manager plays decent music, too.

>>53438380
If the lascannon profile is anything to go by, railguns are gonna rape monsters as well as vehicles.

Like BOOM, there goes half your wounds bitch.

>>53438382
It superheats your tissue causing it to expand and explode. That's why there would be blood.

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>>53438366
Old marines are now the manlet marines, Anon, sorry.

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>>53437675
Did you prime it white? I'd recommend priming it grey and then layering ushabti bone and washing the recesses and edges between armor and then layering the white onto it. This way you get nice non flat white.

>>53438380

Hoping the same for Leman Russ Vanquishers. For too long IGs go-to anti-tank unit has been Melta-Vets.

>>53438403
Is any part of that model supposed to be white?

>>53438393
See, I'm scared of lascannons because IG can take whole batteries of them as a troop tax.

Railguns... eh I guess? I mean, how many railguns can a unit of broadsides take?

>>53438415
No, its golden with red highlights.

>>53438384
It's kinda hilarious to think about like a huge army of dudes fighting against 12 assassins. Seems janky as fuck tho

>>53438416
6 railguns because twin-linked is 2 shots now

also lascannons are expensive

>>53438421
Dank reference

>>53438430
Aren't lascannon HWTs like 90 points per lascannon atm?

>>53438416
One unit can have three broadsides that can split fire. The railgun is twinlinked so now you'd get six shots total.

Offset is that they dont move much at all so they draw fire like hell.

>exterminator 8 autocannon shots
>battle cannon d6 shots
Wow... so this is the power... of battle cannon...

>>53438383
>>53438395
So, if a regular marine is over 2 meters - how fucking tall are new ones? 2,5 metets? If so, how tall is Roboute?

>>53438339
Have we seen that theres other ways to get Command points though? I dont believe so.

>>53438361
Nothing on the value of the troops themselves but its seems that command points are a rare and value able resource. Its just that the only way weve seen to get them is to increase your troop count and HQ, but for some armies thats either cost prohibitive or unfluffy.

Not saying that this is a problem just something I was thinking of. For example in a nidzilla list chucking another 150 points on gaunts on the field could gain triple the amount of CP.

>>53438440
squad of 3 lascannons is 105

>>53438440
its 45 points for a squad of 3 hw teams and each las cannon for said teams costs 20 points

>>53438465
>>53438471
I don't know where I pulled 90 from.

>>53437026
>Isn't it strictly better to order stuff online?
The same with everything except most clothes and food.

>>53438444
Am I the only one who expects the Exterminator Pattern Autocannon to stay exactly the same?

>>53438486
Yes, because you didnt read the twin-linked rules

>>53438465
For comparison, how much is a squad of 3 broadsides with Railguns?

>>53438512
Exterminators arent twinlinked though and they already work the way twin linked guns work in 8th. Its gonna stay the same as it is now.

What the hell is a combat gauge? I'm not sure if they mean a ruler since there doesn't seem to be any numbers to indicate it being a ruler (unless it obnoxiously folds out).

>>53438451

>another 150 points on gaunts on the field could gain triple the amount of CP
It might also work against them in missions where kill points are necessary to win. Hell, with the new morale system you probably will just have to knock 60% of them out and let morale do the rest.

>>53437675
It's not bad at all. White is the hardest color to paint with.

>>53438380
Pls
Railsides look way better than dorksides

>>53438527
Pretty sure it's a tape measure.

>>53438527
A few labeled lengths of plastic with an eagle stamped on it for the bargain price of $34.95

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>>53438523
>Exterminators arent twinlinked

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>>53438523
>not twinlinked
It's on the weapon profile, not the vehicle one

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>>53438523
They are nativly twin-linked, so much like how the TLHB is heavy six, this will be heavy eight

>>53436827
You have a bunch of old,poor quality tau vehicles and want to play orks. If i have to tell you what to do lad you're no real ork.

Soooo, since there are no ordnance weapons anymore, my leman russ battle tank can shoot with it's battle cannon and sponsons without any penalties, right?

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>>53438541
It's listed for $10. So, I'm guessing the numbers are on the flip side? They couldn't have splurged a little like they did the with the Age of Sigmar combat gauge and instead we get this very plain and very dull "ruler".

>>53438516
195, though they have a much better armor save and higher toughness.

>>53438553
But it's not a twin-linked exterminator autocannon, it's just an exterminator autocannon.

>>53438559
w8 4 8, we dont know

>>53438446
Impractically large, that is for sure.

Being a big target is quite the drawback in a firefight.

>>53438569
.....Which is twin-linked. so its 4 shots witn re-rolls. this will become 8 shots, like the HB

>>53438569
The exterminator autocannon listed in the guard codex and listed as being on the exterminator Russ is twinlinked according to it's weapon profile. There is no such thing as a "twinlinked exterminator autocannon" because the exterminator autocannon is twinlinked by default.

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>>53438264
>gay contemptor
How dare you

So apparently the WIP thread is kill so I'll ask this here. Does anyone have a good method for making a black metallic color like pic related?

>>53437748
>m...muh headcannon doesnt match official material supplied by a direct subsidiary of GW
>B...better call it shitty fanfics

>>53438580
This is the same mistake people made with chaos marines.

Everybody was like "omg combi-bolters now means CSM hit on a 4+ with those fucking nerd REEEEE" forgetting that it are twin-linked bolters, and NOT combi-weapons.

>>53438573
Yeah, that's retarded. We need BIGGER soldiers to win this war. Let's make even bigger space marine space marines! Yolo!

>not using ogryns

Jesus Fucking Christ...

>>53438578
>>53438580

A lot of people assumed that flamers would have "ignores cover" too. We don't know what rules it has yet, yet people seem to think that GW wants the infantry killing tank to be putting out 8 shots that deal d3 damage each.

>>53438590
FW custodes contemptors are amazing. I think he was referring to the pathetic plastic contemptor that got bundled into the 40k Talons of the Emperor box with a gold painted rhino.

>>53438358
Not that guy but it matches what my LGS owner told me

>>53438565
and the heavy railrifle they have is 60" S8 AP1 TL

>>53438601
And yet the exterminator doing 8 shots isn't an unreasonable expectation because they've stated twin-linked weapons will double their damage and the exterminator is currently twinlinked.

>>53438561
>>53438617
>buying shitty overpriced GW peripherals
How are you enjoying your $9 Citadel™ tweezers?

>>53437084
2 staff on shift at any one time, open 8 hours a day, paid minimum wage. Depending on rent of the building you don't need to sell much stuff to make ends meet. Plus GW are ruthless with their staff and shops, if you don't sell enough stuff you're out the door and another poor hobbyist is put in your place. If the shop doesn't perform it's closed down.

>>53437296
Yes, there'll be free online "army books" same content as the indexes but split by individual armies.

Basically with the index you're paying for a physical copy of it, also why they are bundled and and cheaper than old dexes.

>>53438628
"double their shots" I mean, not double damage.

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>>53438595

Well, a lot (although not all) of it really is pretty shitty fan fic. In the same way that Brian Herbert's Dune books are.

It's just an unfortunate feature of our currently-existing reality that it's also canonical.

Pic related: something better than that little jism-stain Brian could ever create.

>>53438595
Well if BL is canon assault marines should be able to have dogfights with tau jetfighters.

>>53438640
"citation needed" I haven't seen GW say this anywhere, just people assuming it because AoS does it.

I'm not against the idea, I just want an actual source.

which guns do you think will be over S10 outside superheavies and gargantuan creatures?

>>53438590

Custodes are confirmed for being in the Guard Index book not the 3+ Faggot Index book right?

>>53438661
Anything Wraithguard carry

>>53438622
And finding this info from the codes after not having played the game for couple of years makes me happy that they finally put all the info needed for listbuilding in one page per unit instead of the current mishmash of least three pages to see the point costs and rules.

>>53438662

Followup question: can anyone predict if they'll look manlet next to the Chads?

>>53437686
Step 1: Buy kit
Step 2: Sell the two forces each for 60% of the kit's cost.
Step 3: Keep book
20% profit! And a free book.

>>53438590
>>53438605
yep was referring to the plastic contemptor in the talons box, which is the GW equivalent of Will Ferrell in Old School trying to get rid of that shitty toaster by regifting it to everybody.

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>>53438669

>>53438681

Rowboat confirmed for Custodes penis-anxiety.

>>53437701
Yes, he tried to corrupt an Ethereal, the super strong-willed supermonks of the Tau Empire and likely the least corruptible of both Caste-type and training, and then lamented on how it was not impossible, but would take a long while to do it, and this was without pulling off some of the more serious ways Chaos corrupts people, instead just throwing a little Warp-energy at it and waiting for it to fall.

So, if anything, the novel proved that Tau are corruptible without question, they just take a little more effort than Humans due to their small souls and near Tempestus-tier mental conditioning, effort that Daemons might as well not bother putting in.

>>53437609
All heavy bolters are bolters, but not all bolters are heavy bolters

>>53438648
And if GW writing is official, stealth suits should be able to ignore Ion shields on knights by flying over them, and also be able to one-shot them with a melta.

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>>53438681
is that a jojo reference

How did Marneus take Guilliman waking up? Did he squee like a preteen fangirl?

>>53438643
No worse than regular GW to be honest.

The consistency in quality and fluff is equal

>>53438696
No Idea.

>>53438694
If all GW writing is official then the setting is a huge inconsistent clusterfuck of conflicting canons, events and is the personification of a divided writing team who refuses to communicate, each with their own agenda or faction to push with each new supplement.

40k fluff has never been even remotely consistent, anyone who pretends otherwise isn't looking, it's just these days they're more prone to faction-wank and reflex than they used to be in most cases.

>>53438648
>Flier: This model may not be the target of a charge, unless that charge is made by a unit with <FLY>

>>53438643
Black Library is about on par with any of the fluff GW proper puts out nowadays and the few great novels eclipse it. Only FW is consistently writing cool stories.

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>>53438681
>Dat bolt rifle
>a ranged marine charicer
oooooohhhhh mmmmmmyyyyyy

>>53438724
This, BL and GW are both equally garbage with the occasional diamond in the rough, while FW continues to push out decent-to-fantastic fluff.

>>53438725
Yeah, Guilliman declared that sergeants shouldn't freeload anymore, so they all carry unit weapons, looking forward to seeing the Nu-vastator marines.

>>53438679
>GW thinks that abortion is worth $60 by itself
Have they gone crazy?

>>53438745
Its Lou Tenant though, other lieutenant wields powersword.

>>53438745
>Sergeants shouldn't freeload with their sword and sidearm
>Only I'm allowed to do that

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Are custodes always gold?

They look like Oscars.

I hope the Chadmarine boxes come with shitloads of greebles to put into the marines. They look way too bland.

I know they wont come and you have to buy 15€ upgrade sprues instead

>>53438700
Stoicly.

When th eidea was porposed he looked at his librarian and then nodded.

When the Ynnari were headed into the vault he decided it was the Emperor will

He did shit himself slightly when they began deactivating stasis fields, inserting implants and cutting power feeds.

When the Black Legion assault them he too the front silently

When Guilliman awoke he surrendered command, and took his orders in solemn silence.

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>>53438782
No.

>>53438782
No, those are the throneguards, the ones that are least likely to leave.

There's the black armoured one that guard terras substructure and several others.

Anyone down to split the Starter Box? I want the Chadmarines and book. Looking to get rid of the DG and accessories.

>>53438292
can't unsee.

>>53438797
Did you have a stroke while writing that post?

>>53438797
Wut ? I remember he squeals like a little girl. Well, basically all the Ultramarines

>>53438821
No, I had breakfast.

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>>53438838
No

>>53438843
Don't feed him (you)s

>>53438805
>>53438806

Nice. Thanks!

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>>53438849
Here's one painted.

>>53436976
I used to do this shit all the time in another job.

>can't tell customer price
> "I can't tell you the price sir, I could lose my job."
> scrawl dollar price on piece of paper and point to it in front of customer, then throw out the paper.

>>53437087
Never forget

>>53438909
Why even go through with all those extra steps? To be cute? You're still breaking NDA.

>>53438740
>>53438758
>>53438838
>>53438922
>t. average Space Wolf player

WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF

>>53438931

To make the sale, I'd assume?

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>>53436771
>battlefield roles can change if your army is all from one faction
>kroot do not have <sept> keywords
>kroot have the kroot faction keyword
>kroot shaper is hq if all models in your army have kroot faction keyword
>hopefully

Fucking transparent flightbases that landspeeders have. They vibrate like fuck and decide randomly to snap into two.

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>>53438991
I never looked back.
Some even come pre-slotted for magnets.

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>>53437128
Hammerhead can be converted into a flyer, maybe? Flip it upside down, use the nose to make a tail, biplane wings on the hull above and below the engines (which would be reversed), rear hatch becomes the cockpit?

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So I picked up Valthex, gonna convert him to a DM/CSM dude. Any suggestions on what to add?
inb4 spikes

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>>53437128
>>53439017

>>53439033

A spiked dildo.

more spikes

rivets

Thin ur paints, bro

>>53439033

Cut off the whips, replace with an axe/pistol.
Handful of trinkets to flavour.

>>53439033
He's a bit too busy to really convert.

Personally I've move the whips to his harness to make mechatendrills, but resin is a shit to work with so it's probably gonna snap, split or fail to adhere.

>>53439073

Annuvur one!

>>53438271
yes

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>>53437872
That's actually canon, but for skitarii, not kriegers.

>>53438271
6-8 inches

>>53437937
No (except maybe examples and terrain) and both, I think. Neither totally confirmed by GW, but heavily implied.

>>53438885
That lil chaplain is cuuuuuuute!

>>53439048
>meme response
>>53439051
>removing what makes him unique
>>53439071
>removing what makes him unique
Do not listen to these fools. Maybe add some Chaos iconography or sculpt something cool on that battery pack thing?

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>>53438182
In real life, a laser optimised for wounding would burst the flesh open in an explosive fashion by flashing the water into steam rther than burning and most severe burns make you lose a lot of fluid (effectively dropping blood pressure and causing hypovolemic shock) anyway.

In the 40k fiction however, laser wounds do indeed tend not to bleed, because it's a 'cinematic' setting and by cinematic rules, anything hot cauterises wounds (in reality cauterisation is a delicate procedure which must be done precisely if you want to stop blood loss; just jamming hot metal or a burning stick in a wound does more harm than good).

>>53438885
>Scale creep ? More like scale leaps

>>53438559
>>53438559
The default rules seem to be that you can shoot any number of weapons of any type at any number of targets you like. Only penalty is that you get -1 to hit if you move and fire heavy weapons. Some tanks will be able to ignore that penalty, but we don't know which ones.

>>53438594
Would help if you post a pic, but generally 'black metallic' would be done with silver overlaid with semi-transparent layers of black/blue or black very lightly drybrushed with a dark metallic (probably a mix of blue and black ink or glaze with some grey metal).

>>53437937
datasheets just have powerlevel.

matched play points costs are supposed to be in the main rulebook. to facilitate more frequent balance fixs without being tied to the codex release cycle. in the same style as the Generals handbook for AoS.

>>53438681
They had a primaris and a plague marine in my local geedubs, the primaris isn't as big as a custodes but it's not far off. It's about in between one and a regular marine

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>>53438594
>>53439313
>pic related

Goddammit.

>>53439324
>matched play points costs are supposed to be in the main rulebook. to facilitate more frequent balance fixs without being tied to the codex release cycle. in the same style as the Generals handbook for AoS.
So why put them in the main rulebook? Wouldn't it make more sense to put them in their own book which could be re-printed every year with adjusted costs?

Oh, right. GW.

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>bolt rifles are just pulse rifle copies
>hellblasters are tau plasma rifles
>new jump marines are crisis suit ripoffs
>even the new captain is a fireblade ripoff
Wew... they combined the 2 most popular armies into one.

>>53439401
Because the main rulebook is also subject to revisions.

>>53439415
>implying pulse rifles won't be S5 Ap-

>>53439415
No.
Bilt rifles are bolters with Kraken rounds.
Do we need to beat it into thick skulls every thread?

>tfw lemming russes arrived in the mail

>>53439415
I really hope Admec's Galvonic rifles don't get beaten too badly...

>>53439386
How I do stuff like that is a blue metallic and a black/brown wash.

Base black. Make sure you have complete black coverage. Mix some dull grey metallic (say, leadbelcher or runefang steel) with some deep blue transparent ink (drakenhof nightshade) and a tiny amount of water. Load a soft brush with it and wipe almost all of it off, then drybrush gently over the surface several times. Then wash with a dark brown (mix of earthshade and nuln oil should work well).

Also helps if nearby areas are relatively light, at least in terms of shadows. Our perception of colour and tone is very context dependent, so you can make something look more black by having nearby things brighter.