Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for the mighty cuppa

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/25/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-orks/

Are you ready to raid the field with your Ld30 Ork horde?

>>53426004
>Not Weather edition
fuck off

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>>53426021
>Da Jump

>>53426021
WHERE'S ALL THE FLAVORY AND FUNNY RANDOMNESS?

Third for jetpack primarines are awful

>>53426021
Lol its shit. Sometimes I love GW.

>>53426038
Na na-na na, na na-na na
hay-ay-ay
Goo-ood bye!

>A Big Mek with a Kustom Force Field gives nearby Ork *units* a 5+ invulnerable save against shooting attacks.

About frigin time

>>53426067
>more attacks
>better buffs
>good LD
>better powers
nigga you dumb

>Morale is not nearly as problematic
Morale confirmed for cisgendered white male scum.

>>53426033
>not Celsius is superior to Farenshite edition either
Missed opportunities abound

>>53426021
It's the fucking CSM article all over again. No new rules, just "it's gonna be great, we promise!"

>>53426085
Nigga, you feeding it.

>>53426021
Sad about the painboy being weaker but the idea of a lot of "auras" in army being a theme is a really neat one. Actually, it's not as much of a nerf now that I think about it because it applies to multiple units now, not just the one he's attached to.

>>53426094
And you cant read

>>53426004

More like assmad Scottish peasants rebel against their imperial overlords...again edition.

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>>53426038
It's a brief faction preview dumbshit, they ain't gonna tell us everything, and people want to hear the fundamentals

More importantly: Give us a functional army and THEN add in 'funny' random shit

I for one am hyped to get the boyz back on the table.

>>53426075
I know right. Gives us all a reason to dust him off

>>53426085
>more attacks
How? you get 2 normally, +1 for charge, +1 for choppa. Do you get +1 for the fact you have both slugga and choppa?

>>53426038
Probably Zapp guns, Shokk attack guns, Snazzguns, etc. Warboss and Nobs inflence is still pretty random. It's just that the mob rule itself is no longer pants on head retarded. Still flavorful though.

>>53426106
>stick boss, paint boy and mega mek next to each other
>Flank with 2 units of 30 boys
>kans and dreads in front
>dont care about blasts so can bunch up
>whole army with 5++/6+++, imncluding the walkers
NOW WIZ COOKING WIF FIRA

>>53426119
no, we have +1 attack for the choppa (so 3 base) and a slugga attack, so its like we are always charging

>>53426049
>jetpack primarines are awful
Those are the only Primarines I like...

>>53426141
noice

>>53426094
Some Meganob stats? Choppas/big choppas? All the leadership rules? New psychic power?

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>>53426094
>No new rules
read nigga, READ!

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>Implying "flavour" won't come through the 6 Klan specific rules

I can see my Sunz getting to reroll run moves and shit

>>53426021
Sounds completely unimpressive compared to what we've heard about the other factions.

Can't wait for the new
>melee race
meme to come out.

>>53426085
>>more attacks
It works out to be the same. You don't get +1 for 2CCW anymore, so the Choppa buff was needed just to break even. You also don't get +1 for charging anymore either.

Ork Boyz in 7th on the charge: 2 attacks base +1 for pistol+CCW +1 for charging = 4 on the charge (but >I2), 3 after

Ork Boyz in 8th: PROBABLY 2 attacks base +1 for choppa = 3 on the charge (but strike first!), 3 after, and if they start one of their turns still locked in combat they can shoot their pistols but this won't happen too often probably

>>53426094
>No new rules, just "it's gonna be great, we promise!"

Just ask for cliffnotes, no need to play retarded.

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>>53426118
>It's a brief faction preview dumbshit, they ain't gonna tell us everything, and people want to hear the fundamentals
>More importantly: Give us a functional army and THEN add in 'funny' random shit
>I for one am hyped to get the boyz back on the table.
Amen to dis!
Now da Orkz iz a proppa' melee army again!

Mildly annoyed nothing was mentioned about Looted Vehicles, but it is just a faction preview...

>>53426162
we can't get worse anon, we can only stay the same

>>53426163
>You also don't get +1 for charging anymore either.
source?

>mob rule allows orks to use LD equal to unit size

Holy shit.

Dis gon b gud

>>53426152
Also Waagh rules, re-roll charges, and painboy/kff.

Lots of rules.

>>53426119
As far as I understand Pistols don't give you extra attacks anymore because they allow you to shoot in melee. Could be both, but I doubt it.

So on the down side you don't gain yet another attack. On the plus side, practically every other melee unit loses an attack.

>>53426177

Can confirm 90* Celsius is livable human temperature for refugees and if you don't accept that you're a fascist shitlord

>>53426141
Slugga attack only happens in your shooting phase, to even use it after charging you have to still be in combat 2 turns later

Basically
>your turn, you charge, you fight, enemy fights
>enemy turn, they shoot pistols point blank, you both fight
>your turn again, now you shoot pistols point blank

>>53426163
Ya, Orks are (supposed to be) all about that melee alpha strike right?

>>53426177
>>53426193
Reminder
>Farenheit can't do -30 - 30

>>53426192
if slugga keeps the same stats, then it's like additional attack anyway. Unless you choose between shooting OR attacking.
If boyz are S3 and no furious charge equivalent, we might be fucked

>>53426162
Meh. Was everyone was so "impressed" with in the Tyranids preview were just the spoiled stats of a special character.

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>>53426184
feels good to suck less now

>>53426163
You can shoot your pistol when in melee. the REAL question is do you use BS or WS for this. i presume BS, which is lame.
On the other hand, its likyl we will hit on a 3+ for most CC which is a MASSIVE buff

>>53426205
you forgot about shooting the sluggas before your charge

>Meganobz have 2+ save (and now 3 Wounds!)
Learn from da Orkz Humies, we knowz how to build proppa armor.

>>53426193
It's also the ideal temperature for brewing coffe.

>>53426176
GW Facebook + Q&As

>>53426205
Proofs? thats a shame it its the case

>>53426205
Also, it's a fucking Slugga, fired by Orks. Do you really expect that to do anything at all after 2 round of combat?

>>53426211
Yes?

People were shitposting for like, 5 threads, that the swarmlord was going to be crushing friendly titan legions single handedly.

>>53426226
damn. well at least having the same number of attacks but striking first, and probably on a 3+, means that you get more hits than before.

>>53426211
No it was confirmation that Genestealers are getting buffed up to purestrain levels and then some

>>53426184
Actually not too broken. Sure that 30 strong blob is practically immune to morale until it drops to 10 or so models but it's still not as good as outright ignoring morale. What I like more is the little tidbit about being able to use the unit size of a *nearby* unit for it. So your 15 Burnas are exactly as brave as that 30 strong blob.

>>53426168
>Looted Ordinatus Mars

>>53426233
Yup, went from Fabby B wiping out titans to the Swarmlord.

Next up is Nork Deddogs Thunderous Headbutt oneshotting them

>>53426217
Yeah but you can already do that, that's not a change.

>>53426214
You don't do it in the Fight phase though, so it won't come up all that often.

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>>53426150
I like kittens too but come on!

>>53426220

>2+ save
>3 wounds
>at initiative power claws
>FNP
>mob rule

ITS TIME FOR DEFFWING LADS

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>>53426243
Which makes sense, it's still one big mob of hooligans.

>>53426243
So long as ALL the extra rolling that came from the stupid chart and randomly allocating for units that could be two-dozen strong fucks off, I'm happy
Speaking of burnas, they'll be funny with the new flamer rules
>15D6 S4 hits

>>53426260
Hits on 4's thanks to klaw (my guess) still, will be fucking mint to have unit wide skorchas

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>>53426020
>First for the mighty cuppa
Ya mean, DIS mighty cuppa, boy?

>>53426243
>immune to morale until it drops to 10 or so models
>These are all in addition to the Mob Rule! which allows a unit of Orks to use a leadership value equal to their unit size or the leadership value of a nearby Ork unit.
they can use their unit size or a unit near them, so you would have to shrink all of the nearby units to get a real battleshock test.

>>53426260
Dont' forget Kombi skorchas.

>>53426004

Ork news seems pretty promising with what we saw so far. Here's hoping for you guys.

It seems like there's an emphasis on taking what the "should" of a given army look like and making it closer to what we're going to see fielding.

I'm realllly hoping for some updated Phoenix Lords and Aspect Warriors -- what are you guys hoping for?

>>53426220
>build proppa armor.
>no built in invulnerable save

Really makes you wanna krump your mek.

>>53426260
>max 10meganobz
>ld10
what do you mean?

>>53426106
I really like the idea of centering orks around stacking bonuses. It kinda fits with the whole crazy-mob thing; orks now need to work together to get stuff done, and the more orks you have clustered in one place, the scarier they will be.

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>>53426211
>stats
And his useful game changing ability

And the movement 8 on stealers + rending claws

And Synapse avoiding battleshock

And the Trygon + tunnel being awesome again (Not in the nid preview, but still counts)

But yeah, nice job speaking for all Nid players and cherrypicking there. If you ignore the other leaks it was totally only the Swarmlord to get hype

Just because you became a jaded faggot and you're on /tg/ don't assume we all are.

>>53426243
Unless mob rule can't interact with itself, in which case you'd need a unit of nobz or the warboss to get the most out of that shared ld.

Either way it's clearly set up to encourage a green tide of enormous model counts.

Interestingly enough this means that the moral center of a big ork army is the blob of boyz in the middle. You have to focus the largest unit to bring down their morale.

How do I add some flavor/a personal touch to my Nid army without putting my dick in the lire?

>>53426288
>nearby unit of 30 boyz
so problems here, boss

>>53426243
Yeah that's fucking ballin'

A 30-strong mob of a boyz can lose 12 of them and still be immune to losing any from Morale.

If you lose 20 of them but still have a Warboss nearby? Only D3 losses.

>>53426268
Exactly. And it practically forces you to use those big mobs because Trukk squads are scaredy-cats.

>>53426272

Sure but remember even terminators will be hitting on 4's with power fists

>>53426308
oh sure. its not biggie. wonder what killsaws will be like

>>53426297
ooooooo, i am begining to like it

>>53426030
This, making the leadership your unit size or a nearby unit's leadership is good shit. Though I'm not sure if they meant you can use the leadership of the nearby 30 boyz who are count as Ld30 or not.

>>53426315
I'm guessing chainfists with the chainsword/choppa rule

>>53426320
that's exactly what it means, by my reading.

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>Paladins will have S10 daemonhammers hitting on 3+

Making grey knights great again

>>53426320
I think Ork profiles will just have a * for the Ld stat and it will only be equal to their model count. Characters might have some special rule that they count as 10 or something.

>>53426322
sure but what do THEY do.

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>>53426021

>Orks have the best leadership in the game

Its the Skaven debacle all over again

>>53426295
Mix some of your blood into the paint

>>53426330
characters don't need it, because lone models never test for battleshock.

>>53426331
Probably a powerfist but with D6 dmg

>>53426305
So I guess Trukks are more elite (nobz, meganobz) transports than for the boyz?

Inb4 carnac comes in and reads the ork update and fucking blows up in rage

>>53426344
Ah right. Maybe there are other things that require Leadership tests still, though? Like Mind War style psychic powers? Or maybe they just removed all those alternate uses of the stat.

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We're going to get a boost right boss? Boss?

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>>53426305
>Exactly. And it practically forces you to use those big mobs because Trukk squads are scaredy-cats.
I dunno mate. LD10 right from the get-go is pretty impressive on its own. Hell, we don't even know if they're going to increase the number of boyz you can pack into a trukk for that matter (okay, this part's wishful thinking on my end, but still!)

On a side note: this might make taking a 30 boyz unit of 'ard Boyz in 'eavy armor worth the point sink!

that they gave orks (so far) so many "armywide" rules i'm feeling good about acts of faith and similar rules

>>53426340
>NON-ORKS ALREADY BUTTMAD
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH BTFO

I don't even play Orks but the salt from WAACfags losing to nu-Orks is going to be priceless, make my day my green friends.

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NECRONS FACTION FOCUS WHEN?

So basically Orks vehicles can be used for ramming headlong into enemy lines, while a green tide of infantry hooliganism follows hot on it's heels?

Sounds fluffy, I like it.

>>53426353
I think you'll have to go all in on either mekanized or non-mekanized army, because if you buy the trukks for your elite units and rush them in then they don't get the benefit of your boy blob's leadership stat, which is a waste of a powerful ork advantage. You'll either want to rush everything in asap with trukks or footslog it with a green tide.

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>>53426325
Well... guess I'll be batch priming some boyz, queston is just... shoota or slugga boyz?

Cause without the +1 A There's not much call for sluggas, a single 5+ pistols per turn.

>>53426331
Powerfist with either d6 dmg or re-rolling dmg results.

>>53426353
Or a vanguard to delay the enemy until the horde rolls in.

>>53426295
Give it a distinctive color scheme. I mean, by god, just paint them as something other than the three standard hive fleets and don't paint them mono-color. Also look into metallics for the carapace, looks fantastic.

You can for example play a monster-mash. Or you make a big honking drop spore list. Or use a more elite army of Tyranid Warriors, Shrikes and Raveners.

Other than that, Nids sort of pride themselves on not having much individuality and that's kinda the appeal for some: Not having to make Your Dudes but being part of a singularity.

>>53426360
Carnac trying to shit on nids after their article and getting btfo was one of the most beautiful things I've seen on /tg/ in years

My body is ready

>>53426370
>LD10
they'll never test on ld10 because they will have taken casualties. 10 boys that lose 3 will test on LD7 because at the time of the test they have reduced squad size.

>>53426364
let's hope they've come up with some nice meatwall rule for them so they can do what they originally were supposed to do

You're all forgetting the greatest part of this no preview.

No Orruks

>>53426364
YOUZ GUNNA GET A BOOZT IN YER ARSE IF YE DON'T GIT BACK TA WERK!

>>53426389
>Cause without the +1 A There's not much call for sluggas
choppas give +1A

>>53426383
After Imperial Agents, at least according to the Spaniard. (I don't trust spaniards but that's is a different story)

>sadSoB.jpg

Will these daily teasers go all the way to the 3rd or 17th?

>>53426408

Not yet...

>>53426340
>skaven
>best leadership
>i have no idea how 'Strength in numbers' actually worked

And yet the 3 Elves still dominated 8th Fantasy/ET

Really activates the almonds

>>53426360
>>53426402
>inb4 cheetahcuck comes on and asks who carnac is again

>>53426418
Shoota boys have choppas as well, it's the default CC weapon for orks.

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>>53426360
>Inb4 carnac comes in and reads the ork update and fucking blows up in rage
After he (assumedly) was going "ORK GODS ARE SHIT! CHAOS GODS CAN NEVAH LOSE EVEN IF THERE'S OLD LEGENDS ABOUT IT IN DA EARLY LORE! REEEEEEE!!" in that nids vs. Chaos thread yesterday, his rage would be most pleasing to watch.

>>53426290
>>53426290
>Useful game changing ability
Waagh? And we haven't even seen Ghaz.

>And the movement 8 on stealers + rending claws
Re-roll charges? Choppas? Not to mention hidden claw nobs again. And 8th Ed. Rending is a nerf from 7th.

>And Synapse avoiding battleshock
Mob rule?

>And the Trygon + tunnel being awesome again (Not in the nid preview, but still counts)
The Jump?

I mean aside from "OMG swarmlord attacks" there isn't much different from the Ork rules people seem to think are bad.

>>53426434
I would hazard a guess that's not the case anymore

>>53426370
>I dunno mate. LD10 right from the get-go is pretty impressive on its own
Sure, technically, but the moment you lose models it drops. So three die and not only do you take your Battleshock with -3, you're also only Ld7 now.

>>53426420
17th

They still have to do all the various flavours of Marine, Necrons, SoB, AdMech, Harlequins, Genestealer Cults, and they only do one article every two days.

>>53426434
Almost guaranteed that won't be the case anymore

Maybe shoota boyz will keep the slugga now but lose the choppa

>>53426408
They already have "Ork" trademarked.

>>53426451
they should pick up the pace with their faction focuses

>>53426444
Or maybe shootas are just a flat upgrade, like that siege drill over the claw on the leviathan dread.

>>53426364
Sure, that whole tank-stopping bullshit seems pretty cool. No more tank-shocks and multiple wounds don't carry over across models. So that Rhino with 3 attacks hitting on 6+ will need like 15 turns to clear out 10 Gretchin.

>>53426451
And they are wasting a focus on Primaris.

My love for marines can only handle so much wanking.

>>53426466
They timed them from the beginning to end precisely when the new edition drops on the 17th, they're not going to change pace

>>53426330
I doubt that. It'll still have a default value for when units are small
Otherwise small meganob units would be cowardly

>>53426449
Which means you lose 2 more orks worst case scenario. Doesn't sound that shocking, depending on how many points orks will be.

>>53426468
Wouldn't be a straight upgrade, you lose the slugga shot in melee.

>>53426449
>>53426370
Trukks seat 12.

>>53426459
Shoota boys DON'T have sluggas, they pay a point trade it for their shoota ATM.

>>53426439
>Rending is a nerf from 7th.
in absalute terms yes, but in the contex of how everything else has changed, it better becusae getting AP-4 is fucking tough now

>>53426484
>And they are wasting a focus on Primaris.
No they aren't, Primaris are getting a daily article tomorrow, not a Faction Focus article.

>>53426403

Ld 7 is Marine leadership. That's just fine. You'd only have a 33% chance of even losing a model on that test.

so 'eavy armor is now mandatory on trukk units and inadvisable on footslogging units, yeah?

>>53426488
>Otherwise small meganob units would be cowardly
Not if you keep them near another bigger unit of Orks.

>>53426495
A bs5+ single shot won't be missed.
Not compared to unloading 60 shoota shots before the charge.

>>53426383
I want to see the rules for tesla weapons now, might need them to BTFO orks and bugs

>>53426496
>Shoota boys DON'T have sluggas, they pay a point trade it for their shoota ATM.
Reread what I said and then realize why you're retarded, please.

>>53426497
I want 4th Ed Rending back.

6+ To Hit wounds automatically with no armor save.

>>53426498
If we could have a decade with no marine related stuff it would be great.

>>53426508
>now
Same as in 7th.

>>53426439
You know what? keen eyes there, they do share similarities. And that's a good thing, all the rules listed so far are great and sound fun to use

>rending nerfed
If by nerfed you mean: no longer ignores saves on a 6. No shit, notice how Power axes don't carve through all armour. this is not a 'nerf' exclusive to Rending claws, you're cherry picking once again and failing

You act like people neigh saying the ork rules is some widespread thing we've endured for years. they have been out for like 5 minutes, and notice how all the haters are also blatant shitposters with no arguments beyond 'LOL it's shit XDDD' use your eyes.

Real Ork fans know they couldn't get any worse and are excited.

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>>53426496

>>53426033
No, you fuck off, we lost 75% of the previous general's posts to off topic bullshit. More than the average of 65%. Just archive the old thread and masturbate to it to your heart's content.
>>53426021
I'd rather another TS article at this point

Welp, I'm gonna find a suitably orky wallpaper for my desktop.

>>53426525
Then go play Harlequins you clown, they have some wargear that does exactly that.

>>53426542
There was nothing to talk about. Would you rather memes and shitposts, or weather and tempreture?

>>53426552
Yeah because GW studio jerks off to elves and nerfs bugs.

>>53426540
"May replace their sluggas with shootas"
If they replace it, they don't have it.

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>>53426193
>Can confirm 90* Celsius is livable human temperature
It's true

>>53426525
Imagin nu-GS, and old rending
phew

>>53426439
I'm so excited for massive Ork vs Nid clusterfuck battles.

>>53426141

Orks are BS2, so that slugga attack is hitting on 5's. Boyz basically have 3.5 attacks now.

How long does Ministomp take to get back to you?

>>53426560
At least the memes and shitpost would have the limited merit of being 40Kelvin related.

>>53426579
Yeah that would be a little much, actually.

I'm hoping GS inflict a -1 to hit penalty on enemies shooting/fighting them though, to represent their stealth USR and how their WS used to be way higher than most foes

'ERE WE GO

Ork I2 meme fags BTFO

>>53426599
They also don't get the slugga attack when fighting in their opponent's Fight phase

>>53426590
>no movement trays
>need to move all 600 boyz piece by piece
>turn takes 2 hours to complete
>NID turn takes just as long
>its a 1000 point game

>>53426257
I love this meme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQo1HIcSVtg

>>53426590
So Id me and my nid buddy, gonna see some great Nob on Warrior and Gaunt on Boy action.

In the backgrounds Fexes clasking with Dredds

Wonder if the Warboss'll be able to take on a Tyrant, and if Gazzy can take the Swarmlord.

Time will tell.

>>53426630
600 boys is a 3000 point game
You can just fit 200 if it's open game with no HQ or Nobs.

What scale are 40k vehicles? I want to pass the time until the new edition comes out by lootin' a few model trucks and tanks for my Orks that I get to dust off now. I've never converted a vehicle before though.

>>53426630
>it takes this newpleb 2 hours just to move his 600 boyz
Get gud faggot, I've been pushing my swarms of gaunts across the board for so long I can get it done faster than the Space Marine players.

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>>53426434
>Shoota boys have choppas as well, it's the default CC weapon for orks.
Um, Orkfag who's been playing back when Choppas used to be the "Fuck your armor, you get 4+ save now" weapon here. Shoota mobs have NEVER been able to take a choppa in addition to their shootas (excluding the Nobz of course).

The important thing to note here is they didn't show us the baseline stat profile for the average Ork boy, and unless the greenskins lost an attack during 7e, they should still start with 2 attacks minimum. So your average slugga boy starts out with 3 attacks because he's armed with a choppa and a slugga, and the charging attack into the fight phase makes that 4 attacks per model.

...Holy shit that's going to require a lot of dice.

>>53426630
If you move Orks or Gaunts one by one you're a fucking pussy. You either shove handfulls of the buggers across the board or you get one of those roulette push-thingies. Especially now that blasts are gone and you don't have to spread those fuckers out like a prancing faggot.

Are Citadel cases worth it?

>>53426370
I think if you're relying on Boyz for that, you would still want the max of 12 of them in a trukk, and you'd want multiple squads for it.

Even then though, the goal there would be to have a blob of 12 to give LD 12 to other units while not getting shot itself. 12 leadership means another unit would have to lose 7 Orks before even risking more deaths, so that's more than enough to keep other squads alive.

The downside is a squad of 12 boyz isn't too tough to kill, but it is still something your opponent will have to focus down, and if they're putting all their focus on the however many of those trukkboy squads you brought, they aren't going to be shooting at your specialist units anyway.

>>53426669
no additional attack for charging as far as i know

>>53426669
>Shoota mobs have NEVER been able to take a choppa in addition to their shootas (excluding the Nobz of course).
Not that guy but they do right now in current edition.

>The important thing to note here is they didn't show us the baseline stat profile for the average Ork boy, and unless the greenskins lost an attack during 7e, they should still start with 2 attacks minimum. So your average slugga boy starts out with 3 attacks because he's armed with a choppa and a slugga, and the charging attack into the fight phase makes that 4 attacks per model.
No more bonus attacks for charging in 8th, as far as we know.

>>53426675
No

>>53426669
That would pretty much mean there's no real downside to taking a Shoota though, since you give up the ability to shoot while in combat in exchange for more shooting on the charge or on overwatch.

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>>53426650
~1:30-1:35.

>>53426669
>Shoota mobs have NEVER been able to take a choppa in addition to their shootas

>>53426707
>no real downside to taking a Shoota
it'll have to shake out in the points.

>>53426517
You get to shoot with your pistol before the charge too.

>>53426630
>no movement trays
Says who? Just get some of the Circle base styled Movement trays that Daemonplayers used.

>>53426675

they last forever.

they are expensive though.

>>53426707
Might be reworded to trade in both. As in previous editions choppas alone did jack shit.

>>53426720
Not if you run before charging, which WAAAGH! allows you to do.

>>53426726
They also suck for carrying 90% of models in the game that aren't snapfit tac marines with bolters.

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>>53426517
>thinkin things are gonna be this similar to 7th

>>53426675
https://www.harborfreight.com/tool-storage/tool-boxes/18-in-x-6-in-x-13-in-black-aluminum-case-62271.html
This is what I'm using. It also came with one of the checkered foam blocks so you can make specific pockets if you want, and the interior dividers are all movable.

And of course, even with the rule overhaul, CSM is probably going to play the exact same.
Help, im bored to high hell with CSM and I was hoping 8 would've fixed things. Wat do

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>>53426650
>>53426708
The Sonderkraftfahrzeug 251 is a great base for a looted trukk.
Quite popular for it too.

when boyz were 9 points

>>53426572

I'm glad it broke the world record for outdoor air temperature by 30 degrees

>>53426753
Start an army that isn't pussy power armour.

>>53426739
Holy shit that artwork is hilariously bad. Since when are fusion guns like plasma-bladed swords ? top kek.

>>53426735

just cut the foam to shape you dingleberry.

>>53426776
It's a melee weapon relic from Farsight Enclaves. It's an actual thing.

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>>53426572
Кaк тaм в oкe yжaca?

Anyone have the image of the primaris marine face put on the full metal alchemist characters?

>>53426776
See >>53426789

Fusion Blades

>>53426694
>>53426708
This is what I get for not paying attention to 7e. Shit like this happens and I don't know about it.

>>53426675
Depends on the army you've got. If you're got a horde army like Orks/Nids/Guard, the case are great if for no other reason they make transportation a helluva lot easier to do. It can be a mild pain if your models have a lot of spikes on them though...

>>53426739
>slicing CSM in half
what hilariously outdated and retconned fanwank

>>53426538
Well I was responding to >>53426162. Honestly I agree with you that both Orks and Nids seem to have fine changes that are to early to call with regard to comparative strength.

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>>53426771
Yeah, like pussy covered by power armor

>>53426739
We'll see, I'm not very receptive to outside ideas ATM though as once again iv'e been right in everything.

>>53426776
Special Wargar, Fusion blades.

>>53426739
why is the central marine getting bisected

why is the tau shooting at the sky

>>53426771
Like?
As much as CSM gives me aids, I sure as hell dont want to play AM or some other hordeshit.

ADMECH FOCUS FUCKING WHEN

>>53426821
Like literally any army that isn't based around being wrapped in safety armour for 12 year olds who can't handle the emotional trauma of their dudes dying.

If you aren't playing an army that can throw away 20 models as a distraction every turn and laugh as you still overrun your opponent, you aren't playing 40k.

>>53426824
Necrons please?

>>53426752
Stupid question, is the listed dimensions
(18 in. x 6 in. x 13 in) the volume it hold or the cases actual size?

>>53426844
THEM TOO
I JUST WANT MACHINE PEOPLE DAMN IT

>>53426820
>fusion blade

>>53426802
Жapкo.

>>53426808
Can you put Eldar grav tanks in them?

>>53426820
>why is the central marine getting bisected
He got cut
>why is the tau shooting at the sky
It's the upswing from cutting him

>>53426808
>If you're got a horde army like Orks/Nids/Guard, the case are great if for no other reason they make transportation a helluva lot easier to do.
Yeah, no. You have no idea the hell of trying to get devilgaunts and hormagaunts in and out of those fucking things.

Just glue tiny magnets to the bottom of your gaunt bases and dump them in a metal toolbox for carrying. They can cling to all the walls and ceiling.

>>53426845
That's actual case-size. The interior is about 17x5x12.5.

>>53426802
what it is about chaos that draws russkies to it

>>53426734
Well then, in that case you aren't shooting the shootas either.

>>53426883
(Just took a tape-measure to mine)

>>53426814
You can T3 and 3+ or T4 and 5+/6+ saves

Having T4 and 3+ or better is just fucking gay. Dark Angel levels of gay!

>>53426675
A good case is worth it in my experience. Be sure to also look at the various alternatives out there like Army Transport and Battle Foam though.

>>53426902
Or you can be a real man and go T3 5+ saves with GSC and STILL fuck everybody up.

>>53426604

BUMP

>>53426604
>>53426930
No one knows what literally who shit you're talking about, anon. Fuck off.

>>53426886
Russians even makes songs about this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCIZhPJs22g

>>53426883
Awesome. Thanks for that
(Kinda figured it was case dimensions, but wanted to double check)

Looks good, I'm probably picking one up. Thanks tor the link!

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>>53426869
The foam that comes with each case has cut-outs for basic troops, but those can be cut and shaped as needed so that your vehicles can fit.

Never actually tried it for my Looted Basilisk, but I've seen other player cut out huge chunks of the foam so their tanks fit nice and safe inside the case.

>>53426881
>Yeah, no. You have no idea the hell of trying to get devilgaunts and hormagaunts in and out of those fucking things.
Dude, I play Orks and use 2 Citadel cases to transport most of my army safely. I'm familiar with how frustrating the damn foam can be sometimes.
Pic related.

>>53426886
They're edgy fucks

>>53426924
The point is only faggots have T4 and 3+ or better.

>>53426888
And that's what makes both of the two viable, if you're gonna Waagh go with sluggas, if you gonna walk and shoot, go with shootas.

>>53426913
Batlefoam cases are great, best I've had, my GW case is now relegated to carrying supplies.

>>53426930
More than 30 minutes so clearly too long for you to wait.

>>53426948
>I'm familiar with how frustrating the damn foam can be sometimes.
Hormagaunts being covered in blades, hooks and scythes is a whole other level, trust me.

>>53426936
Piss off you shitbird.

>>53426960
It's been more than a day.

I am in search for The Word of the Silent King Novel, can somebody give me a link for it? I would love me some necron action

>>53426957
t. guardfag

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>>53426542
>off topic bullshit

>>53426979
More like every army that isn't faggot marines, scatbikes or tau suits.

Like, every single one.

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>p-please chad

>>53426976
I was ridiculing you for bumping yourself like some /b/ kiddie, not even been an hour since you asked first

With the info we have so far how would you rate the changes in 8th?

>>53426994
so NPCs
stay mad, t3 cucks

>>53427008
a bit better than 7th/10

>>53427001
The plasmagun is bigger than marine!

Dark Angels are such faggot that would take a gun that size up their asses and enjoy it!

>>53427008
Best edition since 4th so far

Has the potential to be even better but we'll need to see more army-specific stuff first

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>>53427001
Silence, you will die for the Great Good.

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>>53427001
>Stop pointing it at me Chad.
>STOP IT

>>53426257
These felinid superheavies are getting out of hand

>>53426940
I hope it serves you well!

>>53427018
>better than 7th/10

Wasn't really hard to do that tho.

>>53427028
>4th
>best

3rd edition is best edition.

>>53427008

Still worried about cover.
Still worried about artillery.
Happy that orks are getting a buff.
Hoping that necrons and eldar get a nerf.
Like the power/points system.
Laughing at the fact that only the points indexes cost money.

Overall, positive.

>>53427049
Leave my skellingtons alone

>>53427008
I'd give it a "Cautiously optimistic". I've liked the majority of what's been revealed, but it's really the execution and balance nuances which will make or break it in my book. Odds are that worst case scenario 8th is still better than 7th.

>>53427008
It's shaping up to be the best edition this millenia.

>>53427035
Serious non-shitpost question: does anyone else feel like the Primaris tech actually in-universe has been adapted from AdMech stealing Tau tech? Between the new plasma guns, the backs of the jump packs on the inceptors, and the generally cleaner looking lines/panels there's a lot there that feels like it's a result of the narrative of AdMech getting involved in Damocles to steal tau-shit paying off.

Anyone else find the 3" breakin eads and the 6" Nob bravery to be pretty underwhelming?

Painboy's FNP got nerfed too, which is just what the boyz needed to go with their T-shirts.

>>53427035
>Slender T'au rifle
>FAT PRIMARIS GUN

>>53426289
>mfw the new deathstar is a 30-boyz mob followed by 3 characters
what a time to be alive

>>53427001
>every other fucking army is now tiny by comparison
Well thats just complete bollocks

>>53427049
>Hoping that necrons get a nerf.
I'm hoping they get rebalanced.

What made them broken was Wraiths and Formations. They're losing one of those two.

I'm curious what Gauss's bonus will be now that 6s always wound for everyone.

>>53427046
They both had ups and downs.

>>53427076
Terrifying AND flavorful!

>>53427067
>does anyone else feel like the Primaris tech actually in-universe has been adapted from AdMech stealing Tau tech?

No. Tau are too new. The Primaris Plasma looks far more similar to Imperial Plasma than Tau. Primaris armour looks more similar to Marine armour than Tau armour.

>>53427001
>tfw numarines look significantly better than manlet marines

Why would anyone wanting to get in to the hobby, having been presented the choice of both, ever opt for old Space Marines??

>>53427071
>Anyone else find the 3" breakin eads and the 6" Nob bravery to be pretty underwhelming?
If that was all they got, sure. On top of the new Mob Rule? It's cherry on the cream lad.

>Painboy's FNP got nerfed too, which is just what the boyz needed to go with their T-shirts.
Now it can apply to multiple units at once, though. And KFF got fixed.

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>>53426739
shieldbro doin what shieldbros do.

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>>53426106
>...the idea of a lot of "auras" in army being a theme is a really neat one.
But not one we're actually going to benefit from, unless playing against an enemy completely lacking snipers. Big Mek with mega-armour and KFF and warboss in mega armour might be OK, everything else is doomed.

Overall though, not as bad as feared. Still rerolling charges is nice, giving almost a 50% chance of making that vital 9" charge. Mob rule is exactly what I hoped for. Think I would have preferred +1 S on the choppas vs. +1 A (fewer fucking dice would be nice), but it's basically fine. Damage 2 on big choppas an unexpected bonus. Bit disappointed that they focused on orks as a 'melee army' and didn't show anything that might mitigate the downsides of new cover rules for BS 5+.

Tone was exactly what I was expecting, but not shocking. Fucking hilarious that he calls himself an 'ork player' when he's blatantly a tourneyfag for who they might as well not exist. Lots of shit which is basically the same as now touted as some hot new thing (painboy gives FNP-equivalent, KFF gives shitty invulnerable vs. shooting, mega-armour gives 2+ save, whoop-de-fucking-doo!)

Shame we didn't get any hint of the melee options for trukks and wagons, but I'm sure they will be fun.

Going to call my current mood cautiously optimistic on this one. If boys are 5 points or less, burnas and lootas have something to help them survive and my killa kans are valid again, I'll be happy.

>>53426974
>Hormagaunts being covered in blades, hooks and scythes is a whole other level, trust me.
Hm. Point taken. Even my warbosses have trouble in there sometimes (bosspoles man. Fucking bosspoles).

>>53427046
>3rd edition is best edition.
I concur! Then again, I'm biased because that's the edition I started playing 40k.

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>>53427067
Looks at the new comander armout and then the "Damocles pattern" fan armour that's floated around a while.

Some guys even sculpted real ones.

>>53427071
The real leadership buff Orks want to use is the Mob rule for a 30 leadership blob of boyz and nearby units getting to benefit from that. The other things are just a bonus for if that falls through.

The painboy change hurts, but it makes sense when you consider that it'll be a 6" bubble and apply to every unit nearby, instead of being stuck with 1 squad. DEldar got a similar change with Power from Pain being a constant 6+ from turn 1 instead of slowly building over time.

>>53427058
Eat shit, you and every other skelly who knows how to spell the word 'decurion' knows full well you've been getting it too good.

I look forward to being able to table a necron player again.

>>53427067
Ehh a little bit of column A and a little bit of column B.

Cawl had 10,000 years long scavenger's hunt to piece together more STC fragments for better stuff.

Plus with a surge of technology advanced xenos (Tau & Necrons) to help shape concepts.

>>53427077
Good lord why are people so insecure about the size of their models. Boo hoo your infantry is going to be smaller than the power armoured super space marines. Cry more.
t. admech

I know I'm late to the party, but
> Death Guard Focus
> Instant Death is still in, now ignores armour saves

SoB even more fucked, somehow?

>>53427077
If you survived Deathwing, Wraithwing, Suitspam and Nidzilla you'll survive BigMarines.

>>53427067
I actually like Tau, but they're tech is nowhere near AdMech's level, they have no need for it. Anything that looks high tech on Space Marines is just a design choice by the model designers.

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>>53427140
> You have it too good
> Because I can't literally table the army designed for defense

This seems incorrect, somehow.

>>53427149
6++ saved me a lot.

But meh at least our army is not getting replaced by Chads

>>53426192
>On the plus side, practically every other melee unit loses an attack.
Except scorpions, chaos marines, space wolves and everyone else who uses chainswords.

>>53426188
Wasn't all of that just "exactly as before, but now it's an aura rather than attached unit"?

>>53427149
ID is not in, what the hell are you talking about.

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>Taking lots of Troops gain benefits
>Massed Small Arms buffed
>Deathstars nerfed
>Morale dependent on casualties
>Blasts now more affected by BS
>No more hiding in assault unless it's DE
>Glorious single codex
>Possible IA volume
>Cawl the great
>4+ saves actually do stuff sometimes
>Possible FW-specific rules if in keeping with other factions

Fuck to the YES, fleshbags gonna die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy-sVTaZRPk

>>53427183
Not him, but guessing Mortal Wounds

>>53427173
Except they don't, because the rules for Choppas and Chainswords are the same.

>>53427171
Sure, but getting my armour save against multilasers and scatbikes has saved me more.

>>53427183
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/23/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-death-guard/
> The best thing about it is that you still get the save, even if you get hit with high Strength weapons that would have previously prevented you from getting a save due to the Instant Death rule

At no point has Instant Death stopped you from getting a save before.

>>53427180
No there's quite a few nuanced buffs in there.

For example old Ere We Go was re-roll one dice when charging, not both.

KFF only affected models in range, not their whole unit. This is massive, especially since blasts were a problem before.

>>53427203
It's talking about Feel No Pain saves in 7th edition, how it gets countered by Instant Death.

It's also saying that Instant Death is no longer in the game, so FnP is no longer ignored.

Fucking reading comprehension.

>>53427203
Instant Death used to stop saves like FnP and WBB.

>>53427203
>>53427197
Yeah but those are just regular wounds, no save.

>>53427198
I assume it'll be every CCW which was named and modelled but with no rules.
There's surprisingly few.

>>53427203
...
It's referring to the FNP "save".

If you don't know the faction you aren't competent to infer things from it's article.

>>53427001
Damn they are tiny side-by-side. Even with the base being shorter it's definitely noticeable.

I'm still waiting to see an actual side-by-side of them and Custodes though, since I'm doubtful that they're actually taller, just going by the spliced together pictures we have.

>>53427203
Yes. Previously, the 7th's ID rule would have prevented the save.
Now, you get the save.
>because ID isn't in.

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>>53427195
AVE OMNISSAH

kastilians are going to be trash though

>>53427205
>KFF only affected models in range, not their whole unit
I actually liked only models in range, but they should've doubled KFF range to compensate.

Otherwise you just leave one dude in range to protect the entire unit.
>And my 30 Gaunts have Shroud, because they conga-lined back and 1 Gaunt is within 6" of a Venomthrope.

>>53427226
>>53427222
>>53427221
>>53427230

FnP was never a save. That was the entire fucking point of FnP, is that it wasn't a save and wasn't affected by things that involve saves

>>53427132
I'm really hoping the new rules for deffrollaz, grabbin klawz, and wreckin ballz are good.
I love the idea of ork vehicles being melee fucking power houses.

>>53427222
>Instant Death used to stop saves like FnP and WBB.
Stopped FNP, reduced "WBB" (Reanimation Protocols) by 1.

>>53427228
Yeah, the idea is that it's going to have every CC weapon that mostly existed just to be taken alongside a pistol for an extra attack now just gives an extra attack by default

>>53427245
It wasn't TECHNICALLY a save but in layman's terms it's the same fucking thing, and it's considered a save now in 8th. Holy fuck you are bad at reading.

>>53427245
>FnP was never a save.

Yeah it was.

>>53426021
>No mention of cyborky bits
Here's hoping they stack
>No mention of flash gitz
AP D3 would still be a buff I guess

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>>53427132
>But not one we're actually going to benefit from, unless playing against an enemy completely lacking snipers.
If you're that worried about snipers you just need to put them in a trukk.

>>53426340
OK, but orks are actually not meant to be cowardly.

Still, the whole morale generally being worse the larger your unit gets thing sucks. Pretty sure humans are braver in large numbers.

>>53427244
I agree, but a buffs a buff.

Also I'm more willing to overlook Orks having bullshit magic Force Fields that wrap to their boyz because WAAAAGH reasons than the Venomthrope spore cloud traveling up a conga line (and I play nids).

>>53427245
THAT'S WHY THE WORD "SAVE" WAS PRESENTED IN QUOTATION MARKS, TO DENOTE A COLLOQUIAL TERM.

You could keep GW’s FAQ department busy for years all on your own.

>>53427203
>At no point has Instant Death stopped you from getting a save before.
Um, yes it did? ID ignores FnP, which is what they were talking about in that paragraph.

>>53427243
True, but I only had the one unit of them anyway. General Cult Mech nerf and Skitarii buff, but I suspect Katas will still be decent and it's hard to make the pile of awesome that is the Dominus BAD exactly.

>even orks get a detailed focus
>meanwhile chaos players still haven't the slightest idea of how our rules have changed
The ride never ends.

>>53427124
They aren't supposed to? 8th is the phase out period for old marines.

>>53427243
But I love my Disney murderbots :(

>It can take decades to complete just one of the new Mk VII power armour, so it is often easier to make spare part for an existing suit than it is to make a completely new one.
>decades

>>53427124
Same reason people get scouts rather than Marines now.

>>53427235
I've seen them together in the flesh, Custodes are indeed shorter.

>>53427132
mega-armour gives 2+ save +1 wound

>>53427245
Oh shit, it's "Walkers aren't vehicles", "S&P=Relentless" and countless other faggotries-anon.

Are Death Guard players Americans? No one can be this retarded I bet DG uses Fahrenheit too!

>>53427292
>tfw you realize mouthbreathers like that HAVE been keeping the FAQ team busy for years

>>53427316
Or maybe just a 2+ save and Nobs have 3w base.

>>53427324
It's not a DG player, it's buttmad sisterfag that was talking about shit s/he didn't know.

>>53427307
Oh no they absolutely are, I'm guessing all new kits for other races are going to start seeing some size creep as well. Its just surprising to see how bad old marines look compared to the new models side by side

>>53427170
>the most incompetent necrons player I've ever seen
>crush him in vps, 12-3 in a 1500 game
>only killed maybe 4 units and spent the entire game fighting reactively

No, there s nothing wrong with a faction that somehow managed to make a crushing victory a stressful, unfun experience. Why would you think that.

>>53427343
>and Nobs have 3w base
I doubt it.
Terminators got +1W for wearing their armour. And Mega Armour is Terminator Armour-1

>>53427343
>Or maybe just a 2+ save and Nobs have 3w base.

I doubt it, they're following the Terminator pattern of +1 wound.

>>53427353
Assuming you played Maelstrom?

>>53427287
>the whole morale generally being worse the larger your unit gets thing sucks
The hell you talking about? Orks get better morale the more people are in it. Other armies just use their Ld like normal.

>>53427343
Well termies get +1 wound over regular marines for their armour, I'd assume this was analogous.

>>53427001
>gimme your lunch money kid!

>>53426610
Nah, they get invulnerable saves instead. All dodging stuff is still invulnerable saves.

>Respirator Vox Grill: This thought-activated device amplifies a Marine's battlecry to deafening volumes
holy fuck that's terrifying

>>53427346
>I'm guessing all new kits for other races are going to start seeing some size creep as well.
No, the whole point of creeping the Marines was to make them look bigger than the other races.

In fact I kind of expect some models to start getting smaller (guardsmen, gaunts).

Stat multilasers in 8th.

>>53427371
>>53427355
Well i like to imagine that marine sergeant are 2w now, and all termies are that or above.

>>53427392
>Respirator Vox Grill: This thought-activated device amplifies a Marine's battlecry to deafening volumes

Stand aside Eldar,
WE MANSHEES NOW!

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>>53427392

>>53426739
I'm going to blast so many enemies for the Farsight Enclaves. Our event is going to be so huge the owners is considering setting up a barbecue.

>>53427404
36" s6 ap- heavy 4

>>53427412
>marine sergeant are 2w now, and all termies are that or above.

Well you remove casualties in 8e, so technically your Sergeant has up to Wounds in a 5man Squad

>>53427393
You don't think if they re-design basic kits like Boyz they'll make them a little bigger?

>>53427404
Heavy 3, S6, Ap- Damage 1. Why would they be anything else?

>>53427384
No, they (meaning purestrains) already had that, AND stealth.

Meaning, they'll probably also give enemies a -1 to hit, AND have the invuln.

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>>53426650
Completely out of scale. Everything in 40k is shorter, thicker and chunkier with much larger weapons and extremities than real world stuff. Actual scale wheels look weirdly thin, vehicles are too long, guns too small.

You best basis to start from is 1:35, which has loads of models available. Cut-and-shunt them to make them shorter and use scratch-built weapons or some taken from GW kits.

>>53427438
Depends on the Faction. Boyz, maybe, that's a toss-up. Chaos Marines, definitely. But they're not trying to scale-creep the entire game because they WANT Marines to stand out more.

>>53427413
Already happened.
In Void Stalker the Marines shout loud enough to shatter the Banshees' swords.

>>53427392
raptors already had that.
>>53427456
That should not be possible, these faggots have to be cacophoni

>>53427413
>>53427433
like actually deafening volumes

imagine a squad of crusaders charging out of a land raider and enabling this amplification. this fucks up anyone without a helmet who isn't a daemon or an ork

>>53427439
I hope to God that's true, trukks getting a (probable) 3+ save while being wounded on (probably) a 3+ would be a miracle compared to just losing a hullpoint on a 4+ armor pen roll.

>>53427315
>I've seen them together in the flesh, Custodes are indeed shorter.
Well now I'm even more glad that I prefer their helmets to bare heads.

>>53426675
My housemate has one of the recent ones, with the zig-zag foam and it's actually pretty good.

I have an old one with less useful foam inserts, but it's nice and solid while still being lightweight.

The alternatives mostly seem to be shit or just as expensive.

So, overall, yes.

>>53427474
noise marines

>>53427472
Noise Marines are loud enough to shatter craftworld super structure.

>>53427454
That's interesting. I assumed that the scale creep with Marines was simply meant to allow for other factions to do the same, GW is clearly moving towards a slightly larger scale across the board (as seen in AoS models). Making Marines bigger does make them stand out more, but I'd have thought they'd be more of a general base-line for other new kits in terms of scale eg. new Guardsmen never probably won't change much, but I can imagine other factions being scaled up a little. Take the new DG from the box, there's no way non-DG Chaos Marines are going to get made to the same scale as manlet marines, they'd look stupidly out of place

>>53427480
I'd say a Trukk will be 4+. But even then it's going to be tougher against Multilasers and shit like it, just like we were promised.

>>53427474
>imagine a squad of crusaders charging out of a land raider and enabling this amplification. this fucks up anyone without a helmet who isn't a daemon or an ork
Or a Tyranid or a Necron or a Noise Marine or any AdMech guy or an IG Artillery crewman or....