Warhammer 40K General /wh40kg/

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>>53419547
First for blood father(?)

2nd for Slaanesh but before all other normal attackers.

So I haven't been keeping up to date with 8th Ed at all. What are they doing to my Tyranids? Is GW actually buffing them?

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>>53419596
Why eight though?

>>53419659
By all accounts they're getting buffed to the max. Read the faction focus on them.

First because I spent a Command Point.

>>53419662
Chaos 8 point star that goes in every direction

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I had a dream that I was building my Skitarii army, but partway through the dream the line between 40k-the-hobby-and-game and an actual 40k universe got blurred, and a force of *actual* Skitarii came to check up on my progress. Suddenly I, too, was a Tech-Priest, and was responsible for giving the ranking Magos a tour of my facilities.

This Arch-Magos was a hulking, 10, maybe 15 foot tall, ultra-augmented, 5 century old Tech Priest extraordinaire. And during the tour he got it into his mostly machined head that I am the *cutest* Adept this side of the eye of terror, and he starts hitting on me.

I got too bashful and shy when it became touchy, and I guess I accidentally flustered myself awake. It was a great and kind of hilarious dream, but I don't have anyone I can really tell about it in real life, so /tg/ will have to listen.

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>>53419547
8th edition doesn't release on the 3rd, but on the 17th. 3rd is preorder. It's 23 days until 8thEd.

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>>53419644
checked

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>>53419547
If I put lady heads on them and sisters iconography would they make decent seraphim?

I know it will be oversize but the design of it kind of looks more like a mech than armor anyway.

10 more scions and one sentinel to go until I finish my army that probably won't be usable in its current form in a bound list

>>53420156
You may have made those models even worse with that post.

Will Ynnari ever get actual models (other than the triumvirate) or are they always going to be the amalgamation of all 3 other eldar models?

>>53420156
Hmm, at that point you probably could have a SoB piloting from the chest and not take up too much space, yeah...

I'm not sure if they'd work well as Seraphim though, since as you said, they are pretty much just mech suits, and their relative bulk wouldn't fit T3 1W jump infantry.

>>53420179
My fucking sides

>>53420156
>>53420179
super t h i c c sisters though

>>53420156

dude if you want to make seraphim go get you some Scourge, some Sister of Silence, and some green stuff. That will be infinitely better.

>>53420206

I think you mean roided up dykes. t h i c c is only t h i c c if there are curves.

Magnetizing my first unit, and I didn't anticipate how long it would add.
Obviously extra painting, drilling and setting them etc, but I didn't consider about having to let the glue dry on each thing so you can set them ensuring the polarity is right etc.
This is gonna be way more painful than I thought.
Is there an obvious way of speeding it I'm missing?

>>53419706
You better masturbate to that tonight.

>>53420218
O B E E S E

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Is an Imperial Guard army spending a minimum amount of points on infantry and the maximum amount of points on vehicles considered bad form? Will this be the case for 8E?

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>>53420267
No, also no. Guy at my flgs does that and gets stomped as often as he wins.
The guy has enough models to recreate this diorama though so he can do whatever he wants

>>53420267
That's just mech guard. I wouldn't have a problem with it. They are known for their tanks.

>>53419706
Playing hard to get in a temple of the Omnissiah should be a punishable offense! If a ranking Magos asks for a tour of your "facilities" you should be giving him/her a thorough tour of your personal station and showcase your "capabilities" including your handling of the organic waste disposal unit! Being adept at manual hard labor is something all Magos should be adept at.

>>53420267
Not bad form just bad competitively. 7th mech Guard was just asking to lose. Hybrid Guard is best.

With the release of the primaris marines. Will GW sculpt a big, highly detailed nob?

Older thread is >>53419408

two threads split things

I stopped paying attention somewhere in early 7th but have toggen the tldr that Gilliman is back, Cadia is lost, and that techie is helping him build super marines now that the galaxy has a massive hole in it.

Can someone tell me what's going on with a little more detail?

>>53420348

>Playing hard to get in a temple of the Omnissiah should be a punishable offense!

My life goal is now to find someone who will dress up as a Tech Priest and accept a proper ... apology.

>>53420156
What's hilarious is how much these look like the new fat gundams. Same flight pose and everything.

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How are homosexual relations treated in the Imperium?

>>53420616

It's a decentralized feudal empire where nearly all denominations of the Imperial Faith are authorized by the central church, so it really depends on where you are. One agriworld's degenerate is another's happy house-husband.

If we have to generalize for the Imperium as a whole, I imagine it would lean towards a "keep it discreet and out of sight" attitude. It would be just common enough on pleasure planets, among rouge traders, and in some army regiments that conservative stalwart's can't totally eliminate it, but licentiousness leads to heresy so it's probably rare to flout any non-traditional marriage. But once again, that's trying to generalize a very, very diverse polity.

As for actual canon material, homosexuality has been mentioned like once, in one book, refering to off-screen characters in the army, and heavily implied once in a horus heresy novel. GW doesn't like to touch family unfriendly topics like this and so there isn't much actual material to go on.

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Hey /tg/,

I am considering starting tabletop 40k in the near future. I know that 8th edition is coming out in a month or so, so I think that will be a good time to officially start.

I'm still in the process of choosing which army to play though, and I'm not sure what would be the best way to decide? Should it be based on lore? Or should I just wait and see which turns out to be the most powerful in 8th ed?

Finally, just in general, if anyone has any tips on for a completely newbie 40k player, I would really appreciate it.

Thank you.

>>53420725
Play what seems cool. With the massive overhaul and rebalance very little will be must have. I'd recommend getting a start collecting box for your favorite Faction.

Determine your favorite by lore aND looks.

>>53420616
The same way black people are.

>>53420393
Abaddon finally took Cadia (with massive losses on both sides) and now a vast series of warp storms have effectively split the galaxy in half.
Guiliman is awake again thanks to Cawl and the two have made an alliance with the Ynnari Eldar (a faction that wants to bring Ynnead to full power and kill Slaanesh) and have begun producing Primaris Marines, a top secret project that Guiliman had instructed Cawl to do when it looked like things might go south in the Horus Heresy.
Now the first batch of them is ready so Guiliman, having been proclaimed Lord Commander of the Imperium by the Emperor himself is preparing to launch what is essentially the second Great Crusade and push back the Chaos invasions and Xeno attacks and reclaim the Imperium's lost worlds.

>>53420725

You should pick the faction you like best and then roll with it. Be it lore or aestetic you pick something that speaks to your soul and you pour your soul into building them, because if you just try to pick the most powerful then your gonna end up with a bunch of plastic you don't want and a hole in your wallet you will regret. This is a hobby, a labor of love, this isn't a vidya where you can just band wagon on whatever is good at the moment and then switch when the top dog changes. Ain't nobody got the time or money for that.

>>53420616
It depends where you are.

>>53420725

>Or should I just wait and see which turns out to be the most powerful in 8th ed?

Doing this will make you successful on the tournament circuit, but very unpopular anywhere else.

Best choice is to narrow down 2 or 3 of your favorites based on lore and appearance, and then pick the strongest of them. If that lines up with what's most powerful in the game that's all right, just try to hold back in your list building.

>Finally, just in general, if anyone has any tips on for a completely newbie 40k player, I would really appreciate it.

Drill your paints
Thin your barrels
One thick coat
Female Space Marines

In all seriousness, find an FLGS and go there to have fun. All you really need.

>>53420616

Nobody knows, it's all up to your head cannon, decree it to be however you wish it to be and keep it to yourself

But seriously it's probably pretty uncommon. They're catholic space nazis and sexual acts can literally spawn hell beasts.
I doubt there are many homos or swingers in the imperium, probably mostly just heterosexual family units.

First time in /wh40kg/ apologies for the long post.

So recently while visiting home for my brother's college graduation, I found a few sealed 40k kits from about six or seven years ago and decided to bring them back with me, along with a few other models, to my apartment. I've been into gunpla recently and picked up an airbrush and paints again, so I thought it might be fun to do the models.

I haven't played 40k in probably six or seven years and even then I never played at stores. But I work now and am pretty separated from friends and family, so it might be fun to go out to a local store and play.

The problem is my old models are really shittily painted. Not horrific, but it was done with a base coat of black krylon from a rattlecan, thick, and then just some details with paints. I can strip the paint, I think, but some of the models have dumb amateur mistakes, like stands glued to the bottoms of Hammerheads, antennae broken off, and oh god the sprue mark gore. Most of my sealed stuff is for Space Marines. A Vindicator, a Razorback, and a jump squad. I've also got whatever that Blood Angels Terminator guy is with all the modular parts not glued (but the rest is glued, sprue gore and all). My other stuff is Tau, I think back home there's a Hammerhead and a Devilfish that are in various states of horror, plus a Land Raider. Those are luckily unpainted. I've also got a Tau forgeworld guy, Shas'o R'alai. Looking at some of that 8th ed stuff, ForgeWorld models are legal?

Anyways the long and short of it is, what the fuck do I do? I'm interested in returning to the hobby but my old stuff looks like shit and I need to play catch up.

Frankly, I have the personal income to dick around with whatever I want in 40k but it feels like a waste to leave all that old stuff collecting dust.

>>53420757
>literally the plot of AoS

You guys seriously hyped for this?

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>>53420757
WHAT IS THIS HOPE SHIT???
WHAT HAPPENED TO MY GRIMNESS???
WHAT HAPPENED TO MY DARKNESS???

WAAAAAHHHHHH!!!
THIS IS NOT THE UNIVERSE ENVISIONED BY MY BOLT THROWER ALBUM!!!

>>53420720
If I recall, in Gaunt's Ghost's, Gaunt's pretty fond of a little red head guardsmen that's a really lady killer. I guess most Imperial Guard Regiments wouldn't give a shit.

>>53420799

you can probably clean the paint off of some of those. once the paint is cleared off it might be possible to clean up the extra plastic.

>>53420808
Hope? There is no hope. The galaxy is doomed. We from from sang's prophecy that Girlyman will fail.

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>>53420808
Plenty of that north of the Rift. Everyone up there, including the Blood Angels, are pretty fucking boned.

>>53420832
BUT WHY IS GIRLYMAN EVEN ALLOWED TO GET BETTER ARMOR AND MUSTER ANOTHER CRUSADE TO BEGIN WITH???????????????

>>53420817

I'm likely going to try. The stuff has long cured, but I think if I give them a good soak and take a toothbrush to them I can get some of it off.

What bothers me more is the awful sprue shit on the models. iirc I just twisted that shit off the runner.

>>53420850

He's the fucking primarch of half the astartes chapters, who exactly is going to tell him 'no'?

>>53420862
BUT THERE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE ENOUGH RESOURCES FOR HIM TO GO ANY FUCKING WHERE!!!

ALL THE CHAOS SHOULD HAVE IT ALL CORRUPTED ALREADY!!! ALL THE TYRANIDS SHOULD HAVE EATEN EVERYTHING!!! THE ONLY THING THE EMPIRE SHOULD EVER BE ABLE TO DO IS MAKE THEIR OWN PEOPLE SUFFER EVEN MORE!!!!!

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>>53420808
jesus anon.
Did that strike a nerve?

>>53420846
BUT I WANT *THE WHOLE FUCKING UNIVERSE* TO BE IMMERSED IN NOTHING BUT GRIMNESS AND DARKNESS!!!!!!!! ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT IS TOO NOBLEBRIGHT!!! AND HALF THE FUCKING UNIVERSE?!!!!

>>53420854

Well once you've cleaned off the paint just take a knife and clean it up. should be doable I think, no reason you can't if your gonna end up repainting them. Just smooth it out then reprime and repaint.

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>>53420882
>>53420876
>>53420850
>>53420808

This is just pathetic.

>>53420876
>>53420882

Calm down there, Lord Inquisitor, it's not the end of the world. The crusade still faces overwhelming odds, and the Emperor is no closer to resuscitation.

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>>53420879
YES!!! THIS IS NOT THE 40K I GREW UP WITH!!!!!

THIS IS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uSM-ihNGHs

>>53420888
Checked.

>>53420890
I WILL NOT PLAY 8TH EDITION UNTIL THEY OFFICIALLY WRITE IT INTO THE FLUFF THAT THE CRUSADE IS COMPLETELY WIPED OUT AND/OR CORRUPTED, AND ROBOT GOTFRIED LIES DEAD OR CORRUPTED BY CHAOS!!!

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>>53420902
>MUH NECKBEARD BOGGYMEN
anon, folks don't have to like this new shit and this autism needs to stop.
Also
>rogue trader
>grimdark
nigger what, i still have my copy stashed somewhere that shit wasn't nearly as grimdark as it got later on

seriously calm thine autism

>>53420921
said nobody nowhere

>>53419659
Buffs all around.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/21/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-tyranids/

Is Ministomp legit? Anyone place orders there?

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>>53420927
the flying fuck
i meant to post
Pic related

>This level of butthurt

I just wanted to make comment on my plans of illegal 3D print models of Female Imperial Guards and Felinids to mix among an IG army, But this level of raging assmad is astounding

>>53420942

Dont lie petrub-sama

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Ok question time. See the down the bottom where it says Faction keyword <Mark of Chaos> would this mean I can give a plus 1 invuln save by giving it a Mark of Tzeentch?

>>53420921
Can you stop please.

>>53420957
Do we even know what bonuses the different marks will give in 8th?

>>53420957
All it means is that there's going to be a <Mark of Chaos> option for units with that keyword, not that it'll necessarily be the same thing as it was in 7th.

This mainly means that you can have it marked as Khorne and be part of the Word Bearers Legion, for example, but what that means rules-wise we don't know.

>>53420957
>>53420982
We dont know what marks will do but whatever they do you will be able to give them to your dreads at least.

>>53420902
Screw you. Official GW music from 1991

https://youtu.be/LE1wSSZ-iFs

>>53420979
THIS IS NOT THE WAY 40K WAS MEANT TO BE!!!

>>53420982
>Tzeentch grants his minions the ability of Ephemeral Form, giving his Daemons +1 to their invulnerable saves.
From the Chaos Daeomns Faction focus. Rubrics also have a 5++ save rule so hard to say.

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I'm moving to seattle in the next few weeks.

Does anyone have any recommended FLGS to frequent, or at least check out in Seattle?

Thanks

>>53420997
THAT'S SO GAY
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE GUY IS SAYING
YEAH THIS ALBUM IS MEANT FOR 8TH EDITION

>>53421014
>seattle
>Does anyone have any recommended FLGS to frequent, or at least check out in Seattle?


There's a pretty cool one located next to a leather biker themed gay bar. It's downtown.

No one on if ministomp is legit.

>>53421011
Isn't that just a bonus that Tzeentch daemons have? I don't see it say anywhere that that has anything to do with the mark.

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>>53421038
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
NORMIE STAY OUT OF MY HOBBY!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cmexEZGQbs

>>53420374
Likely, since Ghazzy is beefing up his boyz on Armageddon and Octarius.

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>>53421049

>>53420802
>Literally one single plot point from AoS
Yeah, it's lazy writing, and it's blatancy has been noted. But I've seen a lot worse from Blizzard, Bioware, and Bethesda over the last few years.

these new riptides look kinda funny but I like the crisis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFaGmzI4Z-U

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8th ed plus summer kids are going to make this a long shitpost filled summer.

>>53421079
Welcome to the hobby. Enjoy your stay.

>>53421064
Where's his finger crown he cuts off in the next scene?

Anybody from Missoula MT?

>>53421079
>Posts TTS memes
>complaints about shit posts

Ironic.

>>53421096
It's treason then.

>>53420616
I'm sure it varies wildly planet to planet. There are millions of cultures within the Imperium.

>>53421088
What is MT?

>>53421133
Montana

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>>53421096
I knew this post was coming thats why I picked tts
>we're all shitposters here

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>>53421159

>>53421014
>Does anyone have any recommended FLGS to frequent, or at least check out in Seattle?
Can't speak for FLGS to frequent, and if memory serves they ended up closing the Seattle Battle Bunker back in 2013. There's only 4 official GW stores in the area surrounding Seattle (more like 3 since the one down in the Kent effectively got reduced to a gigantic display case for miniatures a few years back), as well as a Games and Gizmos and Heroic Knight Games.
I am a Seattle area native. Welcome to the 2nd craziest town on the West coast.
>>53421133
>What is MT?
Montana

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>>53421207

>>53420902
>>53420997
Well, I for one think both are breddy gud.
Bolt Thrower obviously fits the grimdark future, while "Noise Marines, Noise Marines, yeah here come the Noise Marines..." is a nice throwback to the inherent silliness of 40k.
Also, going full-on grimdark without at least a sliver of hope is bad in every way. Having fluff that tells of some who haven't lost hope, and might even work to revive the Emperor, makes everything around them really look miserable. If everything is grimdark, then everything becomes just a grimderp list of "a billion guardsmen died to advance a single mile on planet Whatitsname".

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>>53421229

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>>53421229
>>53421244

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>>53421207

>>53421229
>>53421244

Well
This seems significaant

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Alright lads, this was posted on Atia's site.

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>>53421265
Its nothing soldier, get back to shitposting!.

>>53421244
Not really a fan of fliers going off the table being destroyed

>>53421238
>If everything is grimdark, then everything becomes just a grimderp list of "a billion guardsmen died to advance a single mile on planet Whatitsname".

THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE!!!!!1

>>53421282
>>53421265

Seriously, we saw this 2 days ago.

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Are shotguns worth it for guardsmen in Shadow war? I have a handful of krieger models and want an excuse to buy the shotgun welding engineers to complete my team.

I fluffed it up in my head that this team was made up of those kriegers that survived a massive assault, and with no reinforcements coming, the survivors were rounded up into 'Jaeger' teams for pest removal. I chuckle at the thought of these guys thinking they're 'cursed' to never die for the god emperor so they happily take to the war in the depths of the hive. Could always take the commissar as the specialist when I'm able to in order to simulate krieger fearlessness and the poor bastard assigned as their handler.

>>53421290

That's how it still is though, I don't get why everyone is upset? A trillion fucking people died during Gathering Storm.

>>53421238
I just want my Noise Marines to have guitars again.
I don't care if the 'all is doomed to failure' guy does it, or the 'Master Rowboat will save us all and give us cookies!' guy does it.
Also Doomrider.

>>53421281
What IS atias site?

>>53421338
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2049

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>>53421281
>Berzies attack and pile in twice
>Everyone within 6'' of a unit is getting punched the fuck out

Prepare to die Tau scum.

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>>53421281
>all CSM have a rule stemming from a Night Lord quote

Where the fuck is the Blood Angels faction focus?!

>>53419662
'On the Corroded Escarpment in Chamon, idolators of Khorne'.

What even is this shit.

>>53421411
Chamon is the realm of metal. Idolators just means idolators, they worship Khorne.

>a long, steep slope, especially one at the edge of a plateau or separating areas of land at different heights

Is what Escarpment is and since it's heavily made of metals, it's rusted and corroded due to Chaos.

>>53420290
Holy-
>FW salamander
Ew.

ETA to faction focus?

>>53421244

So can all tanks advance? I assume so.

>>53421079
I'm not 1d4ddit
but 20 keks is 20 keks.

>>53421244
This came out two days ago tho.

>>53421491
9 hours

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The back of Seraphimarines looks cool as fuck.

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>>53421404
>40th+1 millennium
>still sucking blood
Why don't you suck this fist!

>>53421014
>>53421030
>>53421170
If you happen to run into him in Seattle, and you likely will, tell Alex Yuen to fuck off.

>>53421435
Well the google 'define:' feature of 'idolator' gives me "That's a made-up word you edgy fucking fag"

Hey guys. My son is interested in the Warhammer 40000 universe and so I bought him a copy of a Burning at Prospero. He's looking for a store to play his new chaos space marines at in Southern California, does anyone know a high school friendly LGS in Simi Valley? Thanks.

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>>53421520
That's Alpharius. Our leige has glorious facial hair.

>>53421519
The design is growing on me. They look like they're going to bust through a building shooting everything up.

>>53421519
1. That... is what I will be calling them from now on.
Or just 'Seraphs'.

>>53421281
"I charge with my berserkers"
'Hmm, lots of kills but you didn't polish off the unit. Guess I'll attack back'
"Cool. I activate my berserkers"

As an Ahriman player, I know and love the face they'll make.

>>53421411
>>53421536

"On the rusted cliffs of the realm of metal, worshippers of Khorne sacrifice eight noble warriors..."

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/idolator

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>>53421000
>[autistic screeching]

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>>53421543
Holy shit, that is the gayest non-feminine looking 40k character I've seen so far. No wonder so many fags worship him.

>>53421593
He looks like my dad

>>53421543
Burt Reynolds is Primarch of the Imperial Fists?

>>53421543
But seriously if you drew that in, props.

Only 9 hours until orks are revealed to be garbage

>>53421604
Looks like clone stamp to me.

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>>53421579
>I screech the flyrant.
>I screech the flyrant
>I screech the flyrant
...
>I screech the Venomthrope

Can't wait for them free smites.

>>53420888
Jesus, now that's a stale meme I haven't seen in YEARS.

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>>53421593

How would you advise an anon who wants to build a Ravenwing army? Target is 1k pts right now so I can extrapolate out for bigger games? Or should I just off myself since I bought 2 greenwing squads, a Razorback, and a Ravenwing Command Squad already without seeking advice?

>>53421601
Yes. Pre plastic surgery Burt. He looks like a hyena now.

>>53421630
Buy a few boxes of Ravenwing Black Knights and Ravenwing Bikers and you're good to go. Literally the only 2 boxes that you need.

Then you choose your HQ. Do you want to go fluffy with sammael, WAACfag with a bike libby or what-the-fuck-are-you-doing with a bike chaplain?

>>53419706
t. Eats too much cheese.

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>>53421659
I'll post a list I did up real quick.

Didn't know libby was WAAC, but he's cheaper than Sam so I guess I'll keep him. But it will be a lot of "what-the-fuck-are-you-doing" I'm sure. Also included some maybe useless greenies with razors for objectives and tank hunting.

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Any chance the Forgewolrd books are going to include rules for some of the HH legion specific models.

Pic related because I need my psychic dreads. Lore wise TSons created them yet my friends BA can take them and I cant.

so sanguinior turns out to actually be a piece of Sanguinius's psychic presence thats floating through the warp. Would you be happy with this being the reveal Yay or nay?

>>53421714
Seems unlikely. They aren't even getting through all of the 40k stuff right away.

>>53421713
I wouldn't take the Darkshroud just yet because it looks fucking retarded and we don't know how jink saves work in 8e.

I don't really know what role the Greenwing would fill besides Objective hunting though. I'd generally replace them with some Black Knights because those are really fantastic units.

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Am I the only one who actually prefers the Rogue Trader era Guard? Sure they look cartoony but they just have a cleaner and more suitable aesthetic than the stupid stuff like Cadians/Catachans.

>>53421014
If you're going to be in Seattle then Card Kingdom will be your best bet without having to drive too far. Other places to consider but will be a bit more of a drive will be Meeples, Olympic Cards and Comics, Game Matrix, Terracrux and whatever GW stores are around you.

There's a few more than that, but I can't remember right away.

If you know the zip code of the area you'll be in, I'd suggest just doing a google search with City, Zip Code, Game Stores. For the most part it'll do a good job of showing you what'll be nearby and closest.

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>>53421739
>so sanguinior turns out to actually be a piece of Sanguinius's psychic presence thats floating through the warp. Would you be happy with this being the reveal Yay or nay?
>pic related
Definitely Nay. Would completely invalidate his previous sacrifice in the lore if he came back.

BRING BACK FUCKING VULKAN ALREADY.

>>53421763
I wish there were some decent LGS's in Indiana. All of the ones here have a bad combination of horrible customer service, bad community, and awful play area.

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Da waaaagh! is comin

do you hear it?

>>53421739
>>53421775

If Sanguinius' death caused a psychic backlash that has affected the blood angels ever since, then I think it is plausible that the combined stress and anxiety of a company of Blood Angels can cause the Sanguinor to manifest through latent psychic energy in the Blood Angel gene seed. You have to remember that Sanguinius was one of the most gifted psykers and blood angels have a higher rate of psykers in their chapter than most others.

>>53421756
I guess I should wait till 8e Indices launch before I really start buying and planning, and since Black Knights are in either way, I haven't wasted too much money. I can save the greens for objective games.

Either way, as long as I won't be lynched for the bike lib and the standing advice is "moar bikes" I guess I'm good to go for now.

>>53421800
Which part of Indiana? My flgs here in southern IN is pretty decent. Only real downside is a small play area but since our group is small it doesn't really matter.

>>53421761
Nah. 2nd ed. Guard are best guard. DKoK are fine too.

>>53421619
Meant for
>53421571

>>53421806
Hes never described as extremely gifted, hes as gifted as Curze except his visions are useful instead of 24/7 murdervision.

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>>53420616
most likely frowned upon but still prevalent. You literally can't have billions of soldiers without having a significant portion of them being homosexual. I assume homosexuality rates would be higher in the sororitas and the astartes

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>>53421520

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So what are those Deathguard marines? Plague marines?

>>53421550
If you made their pose more dynamic with aimed guns they'd be fine. Hopefully the plastic non-snapfit box will allow it.

The dinky gun shields need to go to but that's an easy conversion.

>>53421816
Central. One store gave up 40k completely and the others might as well not carry it. (None have gaming tables.)

>>53421813
You won't be lynched for the bike libby, you might get a few funny looks depending on what powers you roll but he's mostly a safe choice.

>>53421842
Both

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Yea 8th is on its way, but fuck it
How would this fare? I'm completely new to Tau and wanna avoid using the suits, they just not for me

Why do the scars not have as intense a bike list as the Dangles?

>>53421889
>taufag is a newfag with an unreadably small image
Can't make this shit up

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>>53421842
>Unit: Plague marines
>Faction key words: Chaos, Mark of Nergle, Deathguard, Heretic Astartes
That's my guess

>>53421838

“Although incredibly rare, psychic might runs stronger through the veins of the Blood Angels than most. A product of the Although incredibly rare, psychic might runs stronger through the veins of the Blood Angels than most. A product of the Chapter’s unique bond with their Primarch, this peculiarity means that the Sons of Sanguinius’ psykers are often unusually powerful.
The Librarians of the Blood Angels are perhaps closer to their Primarch than any, yet still they stand remote from their battle-brothers. After all, should so powerful a psyker fall to the Flaw, the destruction caused would be grievous indeed. Thus the Librarians are watched cautiously lest they fall from grace into damnation.”

“The Blood Angels’ heritage is not altogether a sorrowful one. They carry much of Sanguinius’ grace and nobility within themselves, and his physical perfection is echoed by their own. In addition, in ever more numerous cases, the psychic strength of the Primarch flows in his descendents’ veins. Consequently, the Blood Angels are amongst the most psychically gifted of all the Space Marine Chapters.
The power of the Blood Angels Librarians flows from the Chapter’s conflicted duality. One moment it will manifest itself in angelic miracles, the next in savage explosions of bloodthirsty brutality. Blood Angels Librarians can as easily use their minds to shield the innocent from danger as they can to tear the blood from their enemies’ bodies in an exsanguinary storm. It is to the Blood Angels’ credit that these formidable psychic abilities remain under their control and are used purely for the good of the Imperium at large. ”

>>53421854
It was hard enough actually finding enough people for a group in Evansville, I can't imagine what it's like elsewhere in the state.

>>53420720
Yeah, because destruction of entire planets, genocide, bloody rituals and torturing people until they become a screaming piece of unrecognizable meat is a family friendly topic :D

Good post, although given that Slaanesh exists I doubt that homosexual relations would be treated nicely on most of imperium worlds.

>>53421838

“The Blood Angels’ heritage is not altogether a sorrowful one. They carry much of Sanguinius’ grace and nobility within themselves, and his physical perfection is echoed by their own. In addition, in ever more numerous cases, the psychic strength of the Primarch flows in his descendents’ veins. Consequently, the Blood Angels are amongst the most psychically gifted of all the Space Marine Chapters.
The power of the Blood Angels Librarians flows from the Chapter’s conflicted duality. One moment it will manifest itself in angelic miracles, the next in savage explosions of bloodthirsty brutality. Blood Angels Librarians can as easily use their minds to shield the innocent from danger as they can to tear the blood from their enemies’ bodies in an exsanguinary storm. It is to the Blood Angels’ credit that these formidable psychic abilities remain under their control and are used purely for the good of the Imperium at large. ”

>>53421892
What do you mean? Bikes as troops and the best chapter tactics in 7th not enough for you?

>>53421898
>Chaos
>Tzeentch
So the Daemonkin lists are still kosher?

>>53421914
Why do I only ever see Greenwing players and no scars guys in tournaments then?

>>53421896
Shet
Was readable on my phone, thought it'd work
Welp the only thing I did for upgrades was give three of the devilfish missiles for the strike teams

>>53421902
There's an official GW here but it's in a bad location, has no real gaming space, and last I checked it was run by a horrible staffer who talked shit about customers behind their backs.

>>53421925
There's a hierarchy to the keywords. The more specific the keyword across your army the more command abilities you have access to and the more faction specific bonuses you may have.

So yes you can run a "Chaos" list, but you'll lose out on a fair number of rules in return.

>>53421925
Yes however depending on the the strategems you get access to for running a pure TS list for example it may not be worth it. Or it may be better to run two smaller detachments for example, one pure TS one pure Daemon. At least thats how I understood it.

>>53421964
Well, that does mean that a Tzeentch Daemonkin list mixing Thousand sons and Tzeentch Daemons should have a similar amount of stuff to a generic Chaos Space Marine list.

I'm sure the more specific ones will have better benefits, but it seems like a neat way to have it work.

>>53421519
Literally more gundam than anything in my Tau range.

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>>53421841
>hangs around burly muscular men all day, every day
>can't help but be constantly hard
really makes you think

>>53421244
Does it mean that you can Fall Back and then cast psychic abilities? Bullshit

>>53421903
Gay sex isn't Slaaneshi. Gay pride is. None of the authorities care about petty shit like this. it's up to local governments to permit or repress gays however they like.

>>53420725
You really should choose in this order:

1. See which armies you like most in terms of aesthetics. You'll build and paint them for 90% of your hobby time, so you need to like them or you'll get burned out and you'll lose money.

2. See which one of these armies plays in a way you like. There are big differences between gunline armies and horde armies. Some like both, some don't! Watch a few battle reports on youtube to have an idea or go to your local gw shop to see a few games!

>>53421937
Greenwing players are generally newfags who started with DV.

>>53420616
They end up as slaneesh fodder, declared heretics and end up being executed as such for their deviant ways

>>53421964
Here's a question then: Do deathwatch count as a chapter for Primaris marines being Chapter <>?

>>53421961
We don't have an official GW store but I kind of prefer the 20% from my flgs over the ease of selection an official gw store would offer.

Maybe there are local groups that meet up at places other than game stores? There's a fairly sizable group locally that plays in a church basement.

>>53421937
There have been tons of top performing Scars lists over the past year. Although I will admit the top ones are actually Razorback spam. But the same is true of Dark Angel's top lists. And those tend to run a pile of wolves too.

>>53421937
>...hard to remember, and likes bikes. You should join the White scars.
-Big E

Wish I could have found the video clip.

But seriously, a combination of DAutists being ever-present, Ravenwing having kick-ass heraldry, and white being a boring and frustratingly finicky fucking colour to paint and army.

Sorry for more magnets questions.
Do I need to switch up my glue to get them to stick to the model? Currently they're more interested in sticking to each other than the plastic, and I'm guessing it's the glue I'm using.

Hey /tg/, new player here looking to order my first full army sometime after 8th drops. If I'm planning on ordering Chinacast, which recasters should I be trying to track down in terms of best quality?

Do you think Slaanesh will get a major release like Tzeentch and Nurgle?

I'm worried about the new kid friendly direction GW is going in. I already hate the current Daemonettes so I'm concerned a new Keeper (if ever created) would be a PG version.

>>53422026
No, the <chapter> will be Dark Angels. So unless there are special Primaris Deathwing you'd run a DA list rather than a DW list if you wanted to include Primaris.

>>53422045
>If I'm planning on ordering Chinacast
kys

>>53422037
Also remember the fact that the SM bike set is garbage while the Ravenwing Black Knights kit is way, way better in every single fucking way.

>>53422030
>I kind of prefer the 20% from my flgs
We don't even get that. Best here is 10$ back every 100$ spent, and that only on specific products.

>>53422040
super glue for magnets

>>53421985
Yeah it should work no problem. CSM would just get a little extra stuff for all being "Heretic Astartes".

>>53420616
Dark Angels are accepted.

>>53420725

>Picking an army
Same as everyone said. Look around, find a few different factions that look cool to you.

Then find out a little bit more about those factions in lore and gameplay, and pick based on that.

>Tips for a new painter
Go here
https://www.youtube.com/user/GamesWorkshopWNT/featured
Do everything Duncan tells you.

Everything.

>>53422066
Indy I assume? Man the stores there must really be shitty.

>>53422040
I use super glue and let them dry for at least over the night.

>>53422087
Yup. Terrible. Just terrible.

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>>53422055
Um

>>53422063
Ooh! And the plasma, don't forget all the plasma! And the pointy hammers.

>>53422094
It's like a metaphor for living in Indiana.

>>53422107
If gets hot randomly disappears in 8e then Black Knight spam will be the new Scatbike spam

>>53422105
Oh lol. Somehow read it as Deathwatch. There will probably have to be a Special "Deathwatch Primaris" data sheet. I don't think they'll be able to use the standard ones outside of an "Imperial" army since Deathwatch isn't actually a Chapter. Maybe the standard DW squad rules will let you throw one in like they do with bikes.

>>53422120
I CAN'T imagine they're killing Plasma's only downside. Then it's basically a long-range Melta for light armor. Unless it becomes just -1 to hit, since TW is now double shot.

>>53422130
>Deathwatch
Deathwing.
Damnit.

>>53422070
>>53422088

Ok, thanks. I was using the stuff I used on the models, and had a feeling that was the problem. I'll clear it off and try again with super glue.

>>53422131
With them killing universal rules it's hard to say if Gets Hot will still be a thing unless they include it as a special rule on the profile of every plasma weapon. Not impossible but who knows.

>>53421902
Dammit if you were closer id ask if i could join you guys.

>>53422120
>roll 1 and get removed
Gotta pay that iron price.

>>53422131
I always felt like gets hot had retarded rules. One turn your gun explodes in your face, the next turn you can use it perfectly again?

>>53422049
I read a rumor of natfka late last year that said the new Keeper was wearing a corset like the plastic daemonettes.

Just a rumor but I fully expect a release of Daemon Fulgrim, Noise Marines, and plastic Fiends. Probably sometime after the Khorne release.

>>53422141
Yup. Plastic cement only works on ABS plastic. It won't work for resin, metal, or anything else.

>>53420930
well damn. that swarmlord looks terrifying.

>>53422157
I viewed it as venting.

You can't fire, it's had an issue and has to vent heat. Once that's done it's fine again.
Sometimes, though, it doesn't vent properly, and goes kaboom.

>>53422157
I always assumed the coils accidentally discharged a radiant burst of heat. Turning the immediate area's atmosphere into low grade plasma.

>>53422130
Reckon they'd be able to fit in a grey knights army then?
I recall them specifically saying Bangles Dangles and Woofs would be 'kay, but can't remember if they mentioned the ordos militant.

It'd be pretty cool to see them bring Eidolon back whenever the EC get their update, since he's apparently still alive in the present day.

>>53422177
So the gun is just as likely to explode as it is for your armor to fail to guard you from the explosion?

The more you think about it the dumber it gets.

>>53422180
I guess that sort of makes sense, IF every vent was lethal...

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>>53420156

>>53422189
Well, the most likely scenario, of gets hot is, hot>armor save.

But sometimes, the radiation gets through the helmet somehow and plasma to the face occurs. Boom, wound. As for non-helmeted guys and plasma-toting Guardsmen, fuck man, iunno.

>>53422152
Well if you ever come into the area for any reason we meet up almost every Sat at The Gaming Guild, though a couple of use are available to play during the week and the store can contact at least one person in our group.

>>53422186
Grey Knights actually ARE a chapter. So maybe. On the other hand maybe not though, because models would be pretty problematic.

>>53422208
I'll keep that in mind my dude

>>53422210
Pretty sure no matter what chapter you assign them to, they'll still be using bolt rifles or plasblasters.

>>53422192
Kudos.
Not actually awful despite looking pewter as fuck.

I've looked over most of the news releases by GW, but i wasn't able to get a clear answer on a question I had.

I already have an old space wolf army that i tucked away- if i wanted to play their base"open/narrative" play and match play, is the only thing i need to get the index book to update all my unit stats, or do i need the thicc rulebook because it has "extra rules" that are actually critical to playing the base match play game.

i don't care about cities of death or whatever the hell extra missions/scenarios they have, i just want to play the basic game.

am i right in thinking the only thing im missing out on gameplay wise are those formations or whatever they're called in this edition plus the new stratagems?

>>53420725
step one read up on the lore, good way to start this is to watch vaults of terra
step two read up on all the factions right afterward, find something that draws you in and you really like, after all you will be spending a lot of time with this army and a lot of money
step three, find someplace that has people playing the game and watch them play/ask them some questions you may have, try to see if you would even be interested in playing the game
step four, either get with a friend that also would like to play 40k and go halvies on the new box set and you take the army you like and give him the other or buy some of those start collecting sets you posted, these offer incredible value rarely seen by gamesworkshop then pick up all your rule books
step five read up on all your rules and try to play a game with someone that actually knows how to play, it will make your first couple of matches a lot quicker and a lot more fun because you wont be flipping through 3 different books and arguing to your opponent about what to do

>>53422260
Just get the index for the army rules and use the free rulebook.

>>53422260
Pretty sure you just need the index for unit profiles.

>everywhere I look online retailers are undercutting MSRP by 15-20% with free shipping
Literally why would anyone use GW's online store? I'm actually baffled.

>>53422289
What online retailers are good for the USA? Now that the embargo is officially gone.

>>53422289
Lack of awareness or blind brand loyalty.

>>53422294
You've been able to get those discounts forever. The embargo was a meme.

>>53422237
That's even less likely. If they make GK Primaris they'll be using Nemesis shit.

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>>53422289

Only real plus side is their customer service (they'll replace fucked models at no cost) and first dibs on preordering shit. If you absolutely must have it on release they will guarentee your order whereas a retailer won't. This doesn't count webstore exclusives or Made to Order(TM)

>>53422315
i know but i had to put effort into it, now i don't have to

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>>53422289
>Be Australian and thinking about getting into 40k after 10ish years off
>Check GW for prices
>Start Collecting box is $140 Dollarydoos
>Check Ebay For prices
>Start Collecting box is $100 Dollarydoos including delivery
I'm honestly completely baffled.

>>53422108
I wish I didn't fucking live here. Once I get the means I'm leaving this shithole.

>>53422189
>So the gun is just as likely to explode as it is for your armor to fail to guard you from the explosion?

Yeah, basically.
It's pretty nasty stuff, and when it blows up, it blows bad. It's a weapon barely understood, from who knows how long ago, that may or may not be properly maintained.

>>53422294
I use TheWarstore. Miniature Market is good too.

>>53421031
They're legit. Take fucking forever with shipping but they're real.

>>53422346
I think the only people I've not heard say this were rednecks who are fine living in this asscrack of a state. But hopefully you can escape.

>>53422338
Use ebay or chinaboi if you're a modelling person (they need quite a bit of work)

>>53422348
>a guardsman's plasma gun is more likely to blow up than a space marine wielding a plasma pistol which in turn is more likely to blow up than a terminator with a plasma cannon
NuGW does it again!

>>53422338
GW fucking hates Aussies and Kiwis for some reason. Their markup is outrageous compared to the actual cost of shipping something down under.

>>53420616
Gays directly empower Slaanesh and provide nothing to the Imperium. Needs burning.

>>53422338
I bought a box of wyches, and it was $50.
For 10 models.

I mean, given how long it all takes me to do anything it feels like I could spend a lot more on a lot less, but it still hurts.

>>53422349
thanks bro

>>53422368
Honestly why would I even consider buying from them in this case? Its not like Ebay or online sellers are rare these days so...

>>53422386
Why did you buy from GW? Honest question as I feel like theres something I must be missing.

>>53422294
Ministomp has the best online prices I've seen in the US.

>>53422410
>Ministomp
thank you as well

>>53422397
It was my first thing bought, outside Dark Vengeance, so figured I'd do it.
Next time I'm going ebay, though.

>>53422130
>Deathwatch isn't actually a Chapter.
Technically it actually is.

>>53421714
Someone posted the number of datasheets in each book early in another thread. I didnt save but I think there were around 100 entries so its 'possible' but not likely.

>>53422378
Yep

>>53422009
This. I mean, would you allow it if you KNEW for sure those guys empower a chaos god? And they don't make little IG soldiers?

>>53422420
Fair enough man. I was thinking about doing that so I could get involved in a store but its $100 more expensive for what I was looking at starting with which isnt even 1000 points lol.

>>53422364
that's pretty much the opposite of what he said. The gun has the same chance to 'explode' (release a lot of heat in fact) for everyone. But a guy in power armor has more chance to survive the heatwave than a guy wearing a fancy jacket.

>>53420616
The way I figure?

>Agri world: How's that degenerate going to raise a family that way?

>Hive world: Can't imagine anyone but maybe some gangs have a significant problem with it, probably depends on the hive's Imperial cult.

>Guard: Whatever keeps them from eating their own las gun.

I know there's more settings than that, but anywhere where reproduction isn't an issue it'll come down to the Cult.

>>53422473
I'll add part of it is I like supporting local businesses more than Chinese ebayers. Even though it's a Pom company, it still employs people locally.

Also, the paint will set you back more than the models anyway, at least initially. It's scary how much I've spent on paint, and I don't like to think about it.

>>53421714
If you want to use HH models play HH.

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>>53422494
>Guard: Whatever keeps them from eating their own las gun.
Are imperial rations really that bad? No wonder they choose big xenos burrito instead.

>>53422570
Well when you cover them in rat feces to make them taste better, they could probably use some improvement.

https://youtu.be/UhduvvA_Xpo

>>53422564
If you want to be a faggot go suck cocks.

>>53422570
He's eating the foil wrapping

>>53422593
He's clearly not.

>>53421087
he has more than one set of hands

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>>53422554
>Also, the paint will set you back more than the models anyway, at least initially. It's scary how much I've spent on paint, and I don't like to think about it.

iktfb, noone ever mentions how expensive that shit is starting up.

And thats not even a duncan 'use 12 different shades for this hat' rhodes size collection.

Im $350 in the hole buying paints, tools and 10 manlets. Still need a fucking rulebook, dice and god knows how much aud of extra models to have a decent size army.

>>53422593
Well kroots kept eating the foil even after several education lectures and PSAs so earth caste had to modify the foil to be edible to all. It's really rich in minerals.

>>53422570
>Three guardsmen sitting in a trench
>Slaani Cultist pops up "says 'come out here'
>They like "fuck no heretic"
>She like "I can give you everything you want. I can make all your dreams come tru"
>They like "Fuck yeah real meat" and run out and kill and eat her.

>>53420156
Fuck, those jump/jet packs look atrocious.

Hell, the whole Imperial side of the Dark Imperium box is so hit-or-miss. The Intercessors and Cringeblasters look good, the Captain is meh but salvageable, and these are straight-up bad (both probably to do with the Gravis armour design). The Captain looks like he's rocking a beer gut under those layered belly-plates.

Thankfully the Death Guard stuff is good, even if some of the things have shitty AoS-tier names... er, Epiccringe Sucknames.

>>53422631
at the very least dice aren't all that expensive unless you feel the need for special custom ones and you can just get a cheap tape measure for measuring.

Thinking to implement a 'wall of shame' in our game group where we tally up whoever brings the most greys or blacks to a game day, and the winner gets a sprue spoon and is told not to come back until they've actually painted something.

Think a lazy anon would go for it?

>>53422564
>how dare you expect two games in the same setting to have some overlap

WHERE ARE MY ORKS, warhammer-community?! I'M WAITING!

>>53422410

Is MiniStomp legit?

8th might be the first boxed game I buy, but I have no need of the material apart from the figures since I don't play. Is there a market for selling the books and other gubbins?

>>53421839
b-but titus that goes against the codex astartes you baka!

>>53422678
A little over 5 hours.

>>53422289
I only use GW for Web Exclusive things and the occasional Made To Order round.

>>53422679
It's legit. Just long shipping times.

>>53422700
WHY SO LOOOOONG?!

>>53422642
I love the new marines' style, and these might actually get me to play them. The only part I don't like with the jump-packs is how they attack to the helmet area. Other than that they look amazing.

>>53422720
I'm going to laugh if the article is just another "everything is awesome" article.

>>53419547
How fucked am I going to be if I run an all bananaman army?

Imma do it regardless

>>53422711

So you just text your order? How does it process payments? Paypal?

>>53422739
Probably it will. "Some exiting news, ork players! yadda yadda yadda". 6 months later - "orks are melee race" crying.jpg.

Im gonna feel extra sad if all deathguard gets is a save and a new gun

I can't remember if it was here or in the WIP, but there was a Deldar Anon that had these converted up Ogryns.

If you're here could do you mind posting pics, I've been thinking about converting ogryns into grotesques.

>>53422754
I did it through PayPal. Emailed them through their website like most online stores.

>>53422755
"Grots have won me so many games, you won't believe how great they are now! They're probably the best unit in the entire army now!"

>>53421519
not by Imperium design standards

maybe by second-rate pixiv gundamfag design standards

I'm just disappointed that they're killing off Scions as a separate entity. Like, it's no wonder they didn't sell well when GW refused to properly support them.

>>53420616
Living in the Imperium used to be described as the most brutal regime imaginable, so its generally not a happy place to be for most people.

>>53422192
You have made those models even worse with that post.

Does anyone know what army/armies are going to be good in 8th? I want to know what to start buying.

>>53422784
There's really no point in having them as a separate list with the new FOCs. We already know one exists that lets you take all elites So the only thing you really lose out on is the unique orders.

>>53422802
All armies are supposedly viable. Just pick something you think looks or sounds cool and go with that. Don't be a faggot who only plays "good" armies.

>>53420725
Wait for the sisters starter that'll be releasing in a couple of months
;_;

>>53422802
I hope someone close to you dies.

>>53422774
If orks - being those green, muscular giants - still are s3, I'm gonna burn something.

>>53421079
So?
New rules and free time: Gaming times, to hell with 40kg.

>>53422761
>deathguard
not deathguard - plague marines
deathguard will get A LOT more
... and a primarch

>>53422833
I cant wait to see if that "cultivator of nurgle" thing is bulllshit or not

>>53422189
I always did it like Halo's plasma guns. The 1 represented the dude shooting way too much and it running an emergency vent. Sometimes it wasn't hot enough (successful armor save), other times homeboy went ham on the trigger and blew himself up.

Are Guard considered a horde army?

My friend is absolutely insistent on playing guard for some weird fucking reason, and literally only buys foot soldiers. Is there anything else?

Im a CSM main, and I consistently wipe the board with him because he somehow doesnt realize that I have crowd control that's easily counterable if he puts any strategy into it. He just throws troops down the middle and >holds the fucking line

>>53422870
They can be, Main branches are Horde, Wall of Steel, and Mechanised.

>>53422883
What's the difference between the latter two?

>>53422870
They can be. I have a friend that prefers to play with at least 100 infantry models.

Whatever job is missing, usually long range fire support, he fills in with tanks.

It's somewhat refreshing to fight massive horde armies once in a while compared to MSUs

>>53422819
Burn your orks then faggot because it's gonna happen.

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This guy comes to your warhost and slaps your prophetess ass. what to do?

>>53422894
First is about spamming tanks and artillery, the other also rely on canned soldiers to do some work, it's what would have been "balanced" if meta didn't fuck it over.

>>53422912
Stab him in the neck.

>>53422908
B-but why? They totally need s4, nobz t5, warbosses s6.

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>>53422912
Deze guiz make POOOPY on ur bed an dur clopths and ur gurlfrend, wat do?

>>53422912
Call in Simon Pegg and watch as hilarity ensues.

>>53422870
They can be, but not without having to pay out the ass for shitty chimeras.

>>53422934
>chimeras
>shitty
faggot detected

>>53422941
2nd. Entitled whiny astra militarum players are the worst. Should have never had the leafblower cheese in the first place.

>>53422946
>Implying we want to use Chimeras instead of HAVING to just to stay relevant.

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>>53422922
Because you're a comedy relief race and it's funnier if normal humans can slap you around.

>>53422912
why is sicarius always in trying to get in the group shots with guilliman?

where even is marneus?

>>53422912
Is this the captain in the new Dark Millennium boxset?

He looks like a fucking spic

>>53422972
It kind of looks like sicarius is shopped.

>>53420185
They're getting their own spot in the indices, and their own battletome. Can't fill all that up with three models.

>>53422972
What are the odds that Cato is the first marinelet to get PRIMED?

>>53422968
But I do want to use Chimeras. I actually enjoy playing mechanized and think it's a great transport.