/hhg/ - Horus Heresy General - Kitbashed Marines Edition

Damn, missed the new bread. Repostan.

>>53349988 #
Yeah, but you can put a little emphasis on what the Imperium was doing to maintain that slightly breakneck pace of expansion, since unlike 40k there are actually significant chunks taken out of the Marine forces just like everybody else. Have a plotline of Tech-priests negotiating with a Forge World for a peaceful Compliance treaty, or keeping the supply line the Marines require intact as they charge like idiots at anything that catches their eye and/or chainswords. Get some Imperial Army soldiers and show their side of the story when Marines are just rather fancier soldiers, not cloaked in mysticism like they are in 40k. Keep the Primarchs out of it, at least to start with, or they'll steal the entire bloody show as usual.

>>53352609 #

Yeah, that's why I prefer the Warlord. You can't pose them to be running properly, aside from maybe the Warhound, and the Warlord is the one that looks best stationary.

Also, is it just me or did they rather modify the Titan rules compared to the lore? In Titanicus, void shields take a hell of a pounding to down, then the actual Titan dies very quickly, like unshielded Reaver going down to two Plasma Blastgun shots quickly. On the tabletop, it's the other way around.

I'll try to do some banners tonight bread anon

Should i buy a Malcador, a Baneblade-Chassis, or a Typhon for the centrepiece of a tank list? I'm not a fan of the Fellblade series, in appearance or rules, so they're out, and all my infantry is already loaded up, so no Mastodons/Stormlords.

>>53352263
Just giving these alternate ammo rules a bump into the new bread

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>>53353125
home brew is worst brew

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>>53353139
Really? I kinda like DIY moonshine, great for brain bleach.
Eh, if people dont like it then I will forget about it. Thought it was a cool idea is all.

>>53353092
Why not Malcador AND another, seeing that they're not competing for the same slots?

>>53353172
>Why not 3 Malcadors AND another
FIFY.

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How strange would it be to do an entire army in Iron Armour? It's my favourite and I can't stand the tiny legs the other mark models have.

>>53353199
it wouldn't look bad but you'll probably get bored to paint the exact same armour every unit

>>53353172
Point limits, planning on a heavy and then fill up the rest of my spare points with javelins and preds. After i paint everything up to 3k, i'm gonna take a break from 30k and finish painting my nids, since i'm hoping against hope that they won't be utter shit in eighth.
>>53353192
>three malcs AND superheavy
I'm not so rich as to afford companies of superheavies
maybe after i get sick of nids being cruddanced again, i could do that to bring it up to 4k

>>53353199
A little. It was not designed to be a standard suit, but a specialist suit for specific purposes. Of course, if you make and army with a theme that's focused on that, then it wouldn't be strange at all.

>>53353199
Having single-mark armies is pretty common, especially post-plastic. Some legions mostly used it for close-combat or heavy weaponry duties, but others used it as general use. Which Legion?

>>53353250
>not having 9 malcadors and a stormbird
I want poorfags to leave.

>>53353290
>6 Malcs
>full talon of Leviathans
>Warhound Titan
>fifteen land speeders
>two spartans full of terminators
>a hundred and twenty assault marines, all with medics
>three praetors in raiders with their command squads
>allied detachment of Auxilia in their landers, all with lascannons

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>>53353199
Do it Anon. Mk III a best.

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Reminding you all once again that the loyalty of all legionaries will be judged and found wanting by your superiors

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>>53353455
what this anon said, amen!

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>>53353478
Sod off, you giant golden condom. You can barely keep less than ten thousand troops armed with fancy bolters, power swords and power axes, that's pitiful.

>>53353478
*All but three legions

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>>53353478
No gods, No Masters

>>53353478
Reminder that your vaunted supremacy is nothing compared to a demolisher shell, and theres a lot more vindicators in the legions than there are custodes in your homoerotic clique

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>>53353584
>>53353580
>>53353550
Can't hear you over the sound of your inferiority.

>>53353584
>Reminder that your vaunted supremacy is nothing compared to a battlecannon, and theres a lot more leman russes in the regiments than there are marines in your homoerotic clique

>>53353840
Sorry, can't hear YOU yelling from my flagship armed with truly stupid quantities of DaoT weapons a tad above your fancy death rays.
>Magos Canaris, commence orbital bombardment.

>>53353844

And that. We'll help, miltiabro, there's more of us AND we have better guns.

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Y'know, I haven't seen something like this for a while... Anons, why don't you tell us about Your Dudes? Any particular fluff you got for your legionnaires? Maybe you made that auxilia sergeant who landed a melta bomb on that Sicaran a lieutenant, or maybe you put some kill markers on your domitar's carapace? C'mon, give us that fluff!

>>53353564
what legions?

>>53354132
I presume you don't want my massive Genetor background copypasta AGAIN, but I updated them to the Indomitus Crusade in preparation for Fires of Cyraxus.

>Now, with the onset of the Cicatrix Maladictum, their fleet is rearming for war once again, sensing the onset of a new Ruinstorm. They serve no gods, no masters, but they sense opportunity. The new rifts hid their fleet from the Space Marine chapter guards of the Ghoul Stars, and now they move south towards the path through the Great Rift, bearing weapons not seen for a dozen millennia. The Pale Wasting has returned.

In terms of models, the Dominus who pulls double duty as 40k Admech leader and one of Xander's flunkies tanked two entire GravBike squads and then blasted about six Sternguard with his Eradication Ray. I guess I'll stick him on the list of people to make custom models for. Also promoted the Vanguard that killed a biker Librarian and Biker Sarge with one burst from his Radium Carbine to Peltast Alpha for Heresy games and gave his backpack a servo-arm because I had a spare Cognis Manipulator.

>>53354132
I had a Terror Squad annihilate a Lernean Squad by a full round of volkite followed by a charge that killed the survivor before they could swing back, then next turn my Headsman mutually killed Dynat? the one with power sword/hammer with his powerfist. They're now Terran Vets, Seventeenth Claw of First Company, and the Headsman is now Alwyn Thiemaus, the Bloody Mail.

My Forgelord is Dewar Gemmell, the Gory Mechanist. His modus operandi is to unleash his dreads for the brunt of the battle and teleport in with his terminators to secure objectives, generally splattering the last survivors personally.

My praetor is a bitch and jobs constantly, so at least he's a proper Night Lord. He gets a name when he manages to get a wound on an enemy independent character without dying in the process.

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>>53354228
Anon, please.

>>53354132
My loyalist 1k sons are going to run santic daemonology for most of their psykers. The possibility of extra perils concerns me but I'm running the list today. I never really liked grey knights so this will be interesting.

Here's hoping I roll the vortex spell on my vet squad.

>>53353417
>he doesn't own an entire titan legion

Hello peasant.

>>53354132
>The Crimson Brotherhood
>A hybrid force, comprised primarily of ex-Sons of Horus and Iron Warriors, with small groups of surviving World Eaters
>Recently merged with a larger group of a few hundred Iron Hands who survived the Drop Site Massacre and a decimated company of terran Death Guard
>Ritual amongst inductees to cast off their former heraldry, barring one item of their choosing. You should never forget your origins, nor your brothers, should you?
>Loyal to the last man to the cause of the Great Crusade
>Preferred tactics include footslogging assaults, small support units of dreadnoughts and lots setting things on fire
>Led by a veteran Sons of Horus sergeant, known for taking up the weapon of his fallen commander and slaying the dreadnought that killed him
>They. Just. Won't. Fucking. Die.
>Seriously what the fuck is wrong with these guys how are they still alive are they just fuelled by bitterness
>More than willing to work with other loyalist forces, but mistrusted due to their mostly traitor heritage, scorched earth tactics and reputation for charging into unnecessary battles
>A lot of friction between the forces, though they're all ultimately kept together by a desire to keep humanity safe and strong and also smash the everloving shit out of traitor and coward face

Was thinking of running them as either Death Seekers or option 1 Chimeriae blackshields, but I'm not quite sure if the number of legions mashed together will work properly. What do you think?

>>53354229
Can I have it, mechanon?

>>53354467
Well, if you insist. (1/2)

They're the evolution of a Xanatite Explorator fleet, who were out of the Imperium's territory when the Heresy broke out. After the first planet they came to shot at them for being Reductor ships (who were mostly Loyalist) and the second for them being Xanatite (traitors) they decided fuck it and returned to a cushy system they'd found in their trip. Fast warp lane through a couple fiddly sectors, but an easy trip for Mechanicum precision. They set up on a planet with a whole bunch of greenery, started mining the asteroid belts and steadily assimilated the planet, using their already large number of Magos Biologis to turn the local flora and fauna into war machines. The Archmagos in charge, Xander Treides, is largely a massive cogitator bank spread throughout his fleet, and sends out copies of himself in custom bodies to lead expeditions whenever required. If he "dies", he's obviously still fine, but he loses the data that body was carrying, and his mind gets steadily more corrupted by interference and such every time, so he slowly goes a bit mad. Eventually, late into the Scouring, he realizes what's happening to him and locks the useful parts of his mind into the ship, losing his memories in the process. He takes over subordinate's minds and uses their memories and perspectives, which has led to strange command strategy as he commands with the biases of anything between a great Archimandrite and a Skitarii Alpha Primus, each taking prominence as required.

>>53354273
But the Scars had traitor elements. Not all redeemed themselves either.

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>>53353048
Much appreciated. I've saved any that I've seen so far, but only a handful of banners circulate in the threads so the variety is rather limited.

>>53354467
>>53354519

(2/2)

His last, specially constructed body, abandoned with the torn memories of the ancient Archmagos, some remnants of tactical and strategic engrams and little else, was rendered Damnatio ad Gladium by the last commands of the intact Xander, and led the majority of the fleets Cybernetica and their newer Genetus monstrosities against the Dark Mechanicum in an enraged vengeance crusade for the destroyed knowledge of Mars, finally being killed (some of his fellow Archmagi preferred to say "put down", there was hardly anything separating him from his creatures by the end) storming Cyclotrathe by Knights of House Atrax.

The fleet is still there, dug into a system that would be a fortress by cosmological standards, even before it became a collection of Forge Worlds, gun platforms and energy farms. The Genetors continued their experimentation, slowly developing research paths that were sealed in the Vaults of Moravec for good reason before, combined with some of the Vodian research from their last homeworld, and before too many centuries had passed could be considered the equal of any in the Dark Mechanicum. Strange corrosive bio-weapons, living ships, creatures of the Warp bound screaming to flesh as the Soul Forge did to metal. Occasionally, a rumour would spread of the "Old Mechanicus" beyond the Ghoul Stars, but aside from a few missing ships little was found besides worlds picked clean and poisoned more subtly than the Plaguefather tended to. Inquisitorial attention had been planned, but was dramatically disrupted by the launching of the Thirteenth Black Crusade.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/21/new-warhammer-40000-transports-may21gw-homepage-post-4/

Disembarking is now at the start of the Movement Phase only, but you can charge out of anything and put multiple units in each transport.

Welp, my Mech are happy, I can stick multiple Myrmidon units in a Triaros and delet three units at once. Or give Scoria a job as Macrocarid Steersman.

Although dear god the Sons of Horus. Disembark Rhinos, unload BS5 combi-plasmas, charge with 3+1A vets.

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>>53354865
Also assault out of drop pods is nice

>>53354865
At least we'll see less Spartans and armies that didn't get Land Raiders can do assault as well.

>40 levies straight outta Gorgon

>>53354924
Unless Deep Strike prevents assaulting.

>>53354939
Nope, you can also assault of of deep strike you just have to make a 9" charge which shouldn't be too bad with all the ways to get re-rolls in the new edition

Day of Revelations soon brother

>>53354865
The disembark at the start of the movement phase is a pretty shitty change. It's the same problem as fury of the legion had, your opponent is not going to stand there next to your transport vehicle full of melee dudes to wait for them to come and fuck his shit up, he'll just move his units away.

>>53354865
I hope FW gives us larger FOCs, because splitting all my tactical blobs into 10 man Rhino squads is gonna require some more slots.

>>53354927
Aww, yes, the cloning vat Gorgons made from stripped-down and slightly narrowed Baneblade chassis are real. Just have to decide whether to use one large tank, many circular ones locked in a frame or XCOM style horizontal caskets with "windows". THE LEVIES WILL NO LONGER TAKE WEEKS TO MOVE! (Until someone fires a bolter at the rear armour.)

>>53354865
>the twenty terminators charging out of a stormlord dream is back online

>>53354951
If only regular pods and teleport transponders were available without a specific RoW/legion rule...

>>53354989
>8e
>rear armour

More like strips 36 wounds from a T8 3+ save model.

>>53354990
But that's a thing now.

>>53354979
True, and unless current "assault vehicles" get a buff to smooth that out it's a nerf to Spartanstars and other units like that unless they're flyers who can position the drops right by positioning multiple access points over the enemy, so basically just the Stormbird.

>>53354990

I prefer the 66 Ursarax charging out of a Manta in an exceedingly silly Apocalypse game, but that works too.

>>53355020

Oh shit, you're right, they removed all tactical maneuvering from vehicles. Does that mean everyone will permanently be driving their Rhinos, Tiraros and Macrocarids backwards?

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>>53355004
Maybe you should have picked a better legion

>>53355041
>Does that mean everyone will permanently be driving their Rhinos, Tiraros and Macrocarids backwards?
You forgot that in the grim darkness of the far future, drivers can spin on a dime, so that isn't necessary.

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>>53354865
>you can charge out of anything and put multiple units in each transport.

[BODYGUARDS INTERNALLY]

>>53355071
Start of movement phase, though. So it's beneficial to be going backwards at all times in case an opportunity presents itself, or just spin 180 at the start and end of each movement. So you either occasionally stop to do a doughnut or just reverse everywhere.

>>53355057
I'm happy with my choices, I don't need your flying kraut space magic.

>>53354979
>>53355041
>>53355105

Infantry that disembark can now do full movement, shooting, and assault after disembarking. Considering units can assault out of transports now, it ends up being a net gain.

>>53354340
Let us know how that goes, I want to put sanctic on my TS Lib but haven't played yet, would be interested.

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>>53353550
>giant golden condom
You say it like it's a bad thing.

>>53353886
>Magos Canaris
Magos Doggo kek.

>>53354229
>tanked two entire GravBike squads and then blasted about six Sternguard with his Eradication Ray.
I can't even process this. How.
>>53354250
>My praetor is a bitch and jobs constantly, so at least he's a proper Night Lord.
Topkek

>>53355603
That praetor had two months of collecting old metal chaos raptor lord bits, putting together a paragon chainglaive with inbuilt digital weapons that'd make a bananaman have spear-envy, and he's played five games and never done anything more than killing sergeants, either being instagibbed or slap-fighting enemy characters until game end and once being ignominiously killed my a machine-killer vet squad's meltagun. I was expecting epic duels, instead i got a jobber

>>53355559
No, he was an actual guy who was a Navy admiral in Imperial Germany, then chief of Nazi military police, attempted to conspire against Hitler with a bunch of other high-ups after seeing how they treated occupied Czechoslovakia and got caught during the crackdown after the July 20 plot while they still had no idea about his actual and very competent plotting. Executed a few weeks before the war ended.
Also got out of a PoW camp in Chile by smooth-talking his way out and onto a merchant ship, stopped off at Plymouth for a bit then went back to Germany in the middle of WW1. I thought he was sufficently cool and unremembered to use his name, given he was basically German James Bond for a while.

History essays sometimes throw up some interesting people.

>>53355603

He was Null Zoned for the grav, too. He made a silly amount of 6++ and then rerollable 5+ FnP from WTrait, took one wound, welded himself back up and then landed a perfect scatter on the Red Scorpions 10-Sternguard Libby dropstar and burned the bastards, then led 10 Vanguard up the table and tanked pretty much the entire remaining army for the rest of the game.

He did NOT deserve the shitty paintjob I gave him as one of my first ever models.

>>53355722
Can I get his complete wargear? I'm still looking what an Erradicator cannon is. I keep thinking of the plasma Executioner tank gun. What is a Null Zone?
You're talking about 40k Admech, right?

>Wilhelm Canaris
Didn't know that guy. But I knew this
>The name Islas Canarias is likely derived from the Latin name Canariae Insulae, meaning "Islands of the Dogs"...Another speculation is that the so-called dogs were actually a species of monk seal (canis marinus or "sea dog" was a Latin term for "seal"), critically endangered and no longer present in the Canary Islands...
>What is certain is that the name of the islands does NOT derive from the canary bird; rather, the birds are named AFTER the islands.
>>53355715
Can we get pics of him?

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>>53355802
Yeah, standard Techpriest Dominus for 40k Mech. T4 2+/4++ FnP 5+ (rerollable because Warlord Trait) W3 and can trade out shooting his sidearm (5-shot S4 pistol) for a 2+ repair on an Admech unit or friendly vehicle, so basically 2+ IWND most of the time.
Also has Relentless and BS5.
He's amazing for the 125-ish points you pay for him, since he comes with Power Axe and the ability to make all his attacks Haywire, plus an extra I10 S:U AP- attack with Haywire all the time, so 5 Haywire attacks on the charge.

Eradication Ray is a reverse conversion beamer but smaller, so 0-12" it's S8 AP1 Heavy 1, and 12-24" it's a S6 AP3 Small Blast.

Null Zone is a -2 to Invulnerable saves to min 6++ psychic power.

As for the name, I guess he's a spymaster seal now. Explains why he joined the Navy.

>>53355802
I'm currently at my parents house, and the only pictures i have are pre-assembly. I'm also a shit painter, at least compared to /tg/, so im planning on commissioning someone once he gets a name and i think of some nice personal heraldry, so currently he's just been sprayed black

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>>53354865
>Triaros will get a boost, and alongside the Macrocarid they might even be decent at melee, ramming and fisting and shocking anything they do contact with.
>THEY NOW HAVE ASSAULT TRANSPORTS
Unf
>>53354979
True, but something had to balance ASSAULT TRANSPORTS EVERYWHERE, and units inside can do their full move. But yes, that is indeed the hidden balance.

>>53355041
>they removed all tactical maneuvering from vehicles. Does that mean everyone will permanently be driving their Rhinos, Tiraros and Macrocarids backwards?
I liked the armour facing system. Of whatever was wrong with 7E, that bit did make sense.

>>53355928
Well, time to prepare the glorious assault Magos with an Irrad helper joining Scoria or Myrmidax Xander and a squad of Myrmidons in a Macrocarid. Drive up, jump out, apply RadPhage Irrads and/or grav to face, charge T-2 enemies with Preferred Enemy Scoria and some power fists.

Mechanicum can now do some suprisingly brutal melee/close in brawling lists, with Myrmidons, Ursarax, assault transports fitted with serious 18" firepower and such.

>>53356010
>mechanicum even more broken in 8th
Whoopdeefuckingdoo.

fellow siegefuckers, how do you resolve quad mortar blasts? I really like the idea and being able to throw around relatively cheap pieplates is cool but heavy 4 barrage and blast just seems like such a bitch to resolve

>>53356330
Well, they've lost a bit of their all-consuming shooting with Torrent Flamers being nerfed as fuck and AP being slashed too. I miss templates already, they were/are fun.

>>53356330
This is the Age of the Powerfist, anon. I mean, yeah we have those as well, essentially making Myrmidon Secutors good and Myrmidon Destroyers downright terrifying, but you have termies :^)
And Reductor Magi with powerdiddle Landraiders to death.

>>53356461
Just get in on 8th early and have each mortar fire 4D3 shots.

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On a half-forgotten Forge World on the eastern fringe, between the Five Hundred Worlds of Ultramar and the Prohibited Zone that would eventually become the Tau Empire, the Traitors gather. Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion, and a traitor knight house, six strong, advance. Their objective, to make the assembled Shattered Legions go away.

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But the defenders are ready. The Raven Guard and Iron Hands prepare to outflank, leaving home defense in the hands of the Mechanicum, the Magos in charge bringing out his heaviest weapons - swarms of vultarax, maniples of castellax and arlatax, and their secret weapon, the Bass Cannon.

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While the majority of the first turn was spent by the traitors firing at a Supply Box with a 4+ save, the Bass Cannon got shock pulsed from the falchion, and could not fire. The defenders get hammered because there's not much on the table right now, and the Iron Warriors guy deployed Kroot-style to defend against outflankers. By the top of turn 2, things aren't too hot. There's four knights in the back, one advancing into No Man's Land, and worse. Flyers are in, and everything looks rather dire.

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There's even a knight that outflanked to the side, in the weak side of the board. While the Iron Hands player did have three Knights of his own, he kept them back, concerned over the Iron Warriors Gunline. A Siege Breaker squad deep strikes in, but a fury of the Legion from tacticals are enough to thin them down to two guys. Machine killers and Alpha legionaries also deep strike in, aiming for the Bass Cannon's rear armor.

>>53356690
>>53356755
Holy metal predator batman!

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But all is not yet lost. The Iron Hands have outflanked their tanks, including a superheavy. Darkwing Gunships deep strike into the Iron Warriors line, and begin disgorging troops. Arlatax in the back make effortless work of the Alphas and Iron Warriors who deep struck in, while Castellax gun down the Siege breaker.

This was to be Vultarax-chan's inaugural battle with her sisters, but they got shot down by skyfire havocs. It's only Vultarax-chan left now, having been saved from an unlucky grounding test by an enemy knight's lucky failed 6" charge. She takes to the skies, and aims at the enemy Knight. Do your best, Vultarax-chan!

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The Archmagos Dominus casts Cybertheurgy Double-shot, and the Knight aligns shields against the Contemptors.The knight is defenseless.

Six shots. Six haywire glances. One dead knight. Hooray! Good job, Vultarax-chan! Even better, the Falchion jobbed thanks to dispersion fields.

>"THIS IS YOUR ARCHMAGOS DOMINUS SPEAKING."
"What is thy divine order, Archmagos?"

>POWER UP THE BASS CANNON.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmHUjB1gsg&t=4m11s

FIRE!

I could not be happier at the result. The sonic blast wave flies out, and wrecks everything in its way. The tally:

-One Falchion, one-shot.
-Four Alpha Legionaries, dead
-One Knight, one-shot.
-Five allied Raven Guard terminators, dead
-One Alpha Legion Lightning, severely damaged
-One Predator, lightly damaged.

Worth. Everyone was speechless, especially when the music started playing. How could one vehicle pack so much destructive power?

>>53356755
>deployed Kroot-style
lame af

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The defenders clear the field somewhat, but all is not yet settled. There are still more to deal with, and the Bass Cannon remains number one priority.

But far too many tanks and enemy knights are advancing, and the allied knights still stay back. It's concerning, especially since the RG are getting shot up by a full gunline.

>>53356970
Holy shit, that's cool. Do you have any pictures of the Arlatax? Never actually seen one converted up.

>>53356783
>that black smock tho

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrCQclZleU4

FIRE!

By now, things are grim. Alpharius has taken the field, and Perturabo in back. has wiped out most of the Raven Guard himself. The Bass Cannon takes severely wounds Alpharius, damages the Fellblade, and kills more artillery pieces and troops. Alpharius has nicked some Firedrakes for his retinue, however, and surrounded allied tanks with rhinos of his own. There's nothing I have that can take on such a deathstar, and the Iron Hands can only try to thunderblitz out while allied knights passively fire from the side.

>>53356970
(I forgot to add, one quad mortar artillery piece squad, dead)

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By now, Corax is the only thing left in the enemy's zone, and the RG player is having a bit of a bad day. We call it by the end of Turn 3.

While at the time the technical victory belonged to the Traitors, we forgot to tally up points from all the superheavies the Bass Cannon and Vultarax-chan killed, which would have drawn the game. I'm fine with a draw.

>>53357011

It was the first time I ever fired the Bass Cannon. It was a shot to remember.

As for the Arlatax, sorry but I had just proxied in some Domitars in the meantime, since I do use Domitars in my list as well. I'm waiting for actual Arlatax models. Rather lame, I know, but I'd rather not ruin my Domitars while I still need them.

>>53357102
Well, I guess that settles the "Are the Ordinatii any good or not" question, as well as the "what goes on the conversion table after the Genetors have their 4k list" question. Did it ever take a scratch at all?

That should have some form of table-wide morale buff or enemy morale penalty for sheer cool, honestly.

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>>53357171
>Did it ever take a scratch at all?

It got fucking hammered as the game went on. At one point, it was reduced to one hull point. The only reason it hung around so long was because I had two magi battlesmithing it back together every turn, and I made a 6+ invuln to prevent the last hit.

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>>53354132

The 153rd Assault Battalion


The 153rd was formed shortly after the devastating Dropsite Massacre at Istvaan V. Delays by the martyred loyalist forces at Istvaan III and the heroism of Nathaniel Garro had cost the Warmaster the element of surprise and he was forced to turn a swift stroke of a coup into a grinding, bloody civil war. In order to keep the loyalist forces off balance and to retain the strategic initiative for as long as he could the Warmaster directed his brothers to split off a small measure of their strength to be sent on far ranging and highly destructive raids. In this way the true movement and intent of the traitors would be masked by a deluge of panicked and conflicting reports. The 153rd was one of these raiding forces.

At its core the 153rd Battalion was comprised of five centuries drawn from three Great Companies: the 92nd Heavy Assault Century under Konstandin Sologon, the 98th Siege Century under Leutrim Skender, the 144th Pathfinders lead by the infamous Caradin Tolon, the 207th Infantry of Saban Quendrim and Lothor Valon’s 33rd Armoured. Command of the battalion was awarded to Enver Bardh, a first generation Barbarussian astartes formerly of the 92nd.

>>53357016

>lardass fatplanets play this game

Big surprise

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>>53354132
>>53357219

Enver Bardh, Lieutenant Commander, 153rd Bn., XIV Legiones Astartes

Enver Bardh was among the first XIV inductees drawn from Barbarus, having fought as a child in Mortarion’s armies against the horrifying xenos masters of that world. He would go on to serve through the major campaigns of the Great Crusade with a solid but fairly unremarkable record. He was known to be a dependable soldier but not a talented leader of men, and spent the latter half of the Crusade holding the rank of Lieutenant.

As was common with the Barbarussian members of the XIV he displayed a fanatical dedication to his Primarch, who was revered as the savior of their benighted world. It was this loyalty that spared him from the cull of the Istvaan III Atrocity and it was in this bloody war of fratricide that he found renewed purpose. After helping to spearhead the final breaking of loyalist resistance he was granted command of the reconstituted 92nd Century, formerly under the leadership of the Terran-born loyalist Arthuria Griffith. The Albian longsword of its previous commander was recovered from the shattered ruins below and presented to him on his promotion by his surviving traitorous comrades.

Leading his new command in the crucible of Istvaan V he took part in resisting and then crushing the Salamanders assault on the Urgall Depression. Although victorious, losses to the 92nd were substantial and were it not for the protection offered them by their heavy Mk III and Cataphractii plate it is debatable if they would have even held against the incendiary rage of the XVIII in the first place. Indeed, both sides were pushed to their breaking point and were it not for the betrayal of the second wave both Legions would have likely utterly destroyed one another. The combi plasma Bardh bears was the ninth weapon he used that day, recovered from the corpse of an Iron Hands veteran as the loyalist landing zones were finally overrun.

>>53357219
Eurg DG, you need some IW in your life

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>>53357265
In the interregnum it appears Bardh’s name came up as a candidate to lead one of the raiding elements that were part of the next stage of the war. While there were certainly other officers that had more storied careers or were better leaders of men most of them were either deemed more vital to the planned offensive against the Cyclops Cluster or were broken bodies on one of Istvaan’s scorched battlefields. Bardh was not the best choice for the job but it appears that to Mortarion there was little alternative.

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>>53356915

I suppose I should say one more thing. See that Thanatar up top on the building? The Bass Cannon was vibrating the table and I didn't notice, and it shook the Thanatar off his perch. The RG player caught it as it almost fell. Whoops.

>>53357208
What the hell were they hitting it with? I'm impressed they got that much damage through average AV16/15/13.
I guess mine will need an Enginseer repair crew, they do it a bit better than their bosses.

>>53357310

Multiple givings of the D, entire squads of Iron Havoc Lascannons, orbital bombardments, you name it. The Ordinatus was taking entire armies' worth of shots.

And it's -3 turn 1, -2 turn 2, and -1 turn 3. Much of the damage was done on Turn 3, with glancing lascannons and D shots.

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>>53357352
Fair enough. Guess it lives up to the hype it was given in the Book Six lore. Goodbye, pretty much anything not a Primarch or Golden Banana.

Dammit, now I need to decide whether to have one of those or a second Stormbird in the second Matrix of Ruin LoW slot. One one hand, badass mega-artillery. On the other hand, nice symmetrical warfleet that can fight battles like Age of Sail warships and pummel things with broadsides.

>>53357568
statistically a shot from the super-boom box will delete nearly two-thirds of what happens to end up underneath it's monstrous beam.
It can quite easily erase armies, if it doesn't die first.

>>53357638
True, but it's more a question of thematic appropriateness and aesthetics than power. I'm just worried that one giant flyer and one giant artillery piece will look lopsided and wierd compared to just one or two of the same type.

>>53357814
well, the Ulator is a Mechanicum unit, unlike the Stormbird.

>>53354979
>>53355338
I feel like this'll either end up one of two ways. Either they leave transports at this, alter little to nothing else, and the game goes full DAKKA

Or they also buff dedicated assault vehicles (or the process of assault itself), and everyone rejoices.

>>53358130
The number of fucks I give about that is rapidly decreasing from an already low number, since it's fun anyway and I want to build the model.

You may be right there, though, Maybe I can find some cool way to model the Dispersion Shield, since otherwise I shall never be able to look at Shas and his Bass Cannon without crushing feelings of inferiority.

I'm using a deathwatch heavy thunderhammer as the base for my chaplain consul's weapon and I don't want to mix armor marks so I had to frankenstein the left arm out of three others so it would match the rest of the model.

>>53358293
I figured as much, but both are cool models, so I can understand the dilemma.

>>53358323
That's some dedication right there. Right now (partially because I'm poor and lack parts), my Chaplain is just a BaC Chap with a power axe and press-mould volkite charger. Hardly impressive, but I still like him.

>>53354132
>the first legion battlegroup
>led by a terran veteran who admired and adopted calibanite culture
>heavily mixed with auxilia units due to them having fought side by side since the earliest days of the great crusade, since the marines' small number
>had developed a labyrinthine hierarchy based on old terran lore of "angels", the foremost commanders of the crusade who led them on occasion (the Emperor, Horus, REDACTED, not Russ though as he was relatively isolated, Ferrus Manus, the Lion) having been acquainted with it
>upon hearing of the heresy the hierarchy begins to spiral further to counter the traitors' intelligence, the battles become ever more bloody
>dissent with auxilia units due to the destruction they witness
>the DA forced to purge compromised auxilia even though they are loyal
>trying to reach Terra on time
This is the main outline for now.

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Warsmith (fielded as a Consul because he's a bit of a manlet) Salsuginis Jago Keck, Terran veteran who was becoming increasingly bitter (who saw that coming) over Perturabo's autism and split from the Legion during the Heresy. Post-Heresy he is duking it out with the Grey Templars (3rd founding BT successors who mmmay have some WB geneseed - basically, the organs IF splooge can't make are made with WB material instead, which affects them somewhat) and the Stern Judges, possibly loyalist Night Lords who pretend to be BA successors (dead primarch, check - fetish for jump packs, check - melee focused, check). The Stern Judges aren't recognised by BA though, for their frequently brutal and dishonourable tactics.

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>>53359426
Stern Judges Praetor/Captain etc

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>>53359464
These guys are WIP obviously

Thinking of starting a 30k army. I've been flipping through the books.. reading a few novels.

Been thinking of going fists. I'd like a good defensive / shooty, jack-of-all-trades type army.

Thought about ultrasmurfs... but I just cant stand Guilliman as a character. As much as I like the space Romans thing, he comes off as a huge dick.

I honestly want to try blood angels. I've never played anything in their style of play. But I know most of their stuff isn't even out yet. I 'd hate to start them and then the rules contradict to what I'm building...


Going to need to git gud at painting that yellow though. Want a legion that's interesting to paint (not black). But not so intricate that i fuck it up.

>>53359566
What about traitor ultramarines? All that roman-y goodness, but you get to hate guilliman as well. Very, very rarely seen as well, if you care about such things.

>>53354132
already gave it long ago in a distant past, but I'll give it again
>XVIII legion
>went far beyond the borders of what would be the imperium
>super loyal to the promethean creed, praetor wasn't a big fan of it at first, but changed his mind
>team up with a squad of custodes (who are here to grab anything deemed chaotic) a entire knight house ( 5 knight in total) who are super pissed at the death guard for turning their paradise world into a scorched, irradiated hell.
>learn of the heresy
>custodes want to return to terra, knights want to slaughter as many death guard as they can and praetor want to know what happened to Vulkan.
>doesn't matter, as there is far too much traitors between them and terra/nocturne/istvaan to reach it in time

>>53359566
IW look good, and as one of the largest Legions (and probably the best-supplied one) anything goes.

>>53359566
>As much as I like the space Romans thing
any legion can do that they're called LEGIONS after all

How do people tend to view Imperial Knight allies? Is there anything overpowered I should be staying away from when I pick three or four Knights to have as a pick-and-choose auxilia force for my Mechanicum? The main Mechanicum detatchment is pretty powerful, so I don't want to stack up too hard on the cheese against chill DG and WE armies, but I would like some stompy mechs and love the design of the Questoris and Cerastus chassis over the plastic ones.

I need something to paint besides my Alpha Legion.

Cycling between:

-Iron Warriors
-White Scars
-Sons of Horus
-Space Woofs

>>53360798
Not tying to build an army or anything. Probably going to do a 10 man vet squad.

>>53360798
>>53360812
IW and WS would contrast nicely with blue alphas

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>>53360831
Yup.

IW would be quick and I love their alternate helmets.

But painting white is very enjoyable to me.

But making some savage vikingr would be sick too.

Fucking hate this hobby.

Dorn and the Imperial Fists are the only Primarch and legion who unironically did nothing wrong during the Heresy. Don't even try to debate this if you weren't at Terra.
>bangles
Hid the Red Thirst from The Emperor which led to teamkilling and almost falling to Khorne on Signus Prime.
>scars
50% sided with Horus.
>iron cage
That was post-Heresy during the Scouring.

>>53361033
50% seems like an exaggeration. I haven't read Scars in a while though so don't quote me.

>>53361033
>BA teamkilling
Only the SW watchpack, and they don't count.

>>53361223
Spess Yiffs never count.

>>53361033
Your wall didn't hold. You needed a better primarch to hold the gate for three days.

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>>53361513
They were oathbreakers who deserved nothing but destruction. Xana was secretly planning to double cross the loyalists anyway.

>To: Anacharis Scoria
He was a literally-who in prison at the time. Dorn wouldn't have sent the message to him.

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>>53361513
I always like this image. Good comment.

>>53361628
>He was a literally-who in prison at the time.
True, but the meme isn't that funny if you merely write [to: Xanite Vhodian Magister]
...
maybe it doesn't sound too bad.

Who actually came up with the plan for the attack on Xana, Warrior Princess? It was pretty darn sneaky, which doesn't seem like Dorn's usual thing, but then Malcador isn't a military planner either. One of the knights errant?

>>53361033
But Dorn and his legion didn't side with the good guys, how could that not be seen as doing something wrong anon?

I'm new to 30k. What is an ordinatus and why is everyone hyped over it

>>53362445
It's a gun the size of a emperor titan on wheels.

>>53362493

Nah, ordinatus guns are only the size of a warlord's guns.

>>53362569
>he doesn't know about ordinatus majoris

>>53359746
>Very, very rarely seen as well,
Bull, everyone knows Ultras will go traitor the moment daddy doesn't pick up the phone after the second ring.

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>>53362445
It's a gun about two kilometers long. Side effects include melting mountain ranges, breaking open continental plates and dropping a sick bass.

The only ones playable are the smallest and most numerous class, which are more or less superheavy artillery. The weakest one mounts a Warlord-class Volcano Cannon, the other mounts a gun that fires a 7" wide beam that cannot miss that inflicts at bare minimum a S5 AP2 Pinning Armourbane Instant Death Ignore Cover hit to everything including flyers that it touches, increased to S8 against MCs and vehicles, S10 against Tanks and S:D against fortifications, superheavies and Gargantuan Creatures.

Both are mounted on 14/13/13 14HP chassis that are immune to Melta, have a 6++ and inflict D6 S5 Rending hits on anything trying to melee it, and have a Dispersion Shield that reduces all incoming shooting's strength and rolls on the D chart by -3 Turn 1, -2 Turn 2 and -1 Turn 3 or longer, but doesn't work on rear arc. Can easily be buffed with IWND, repaired to shit by Magi and given Sunder and AP1 for maximum overkill.

>>53362569

Those are just the Minoris engines, man. The Ordinatus Majoris oneshot Titan Legions or their Xenos equivalents, and reshape planets. Also all constructed bespoke, so they show that the Admech DOES know what it is doing when it makes them to fend of Ghazkull and such.

>>53361864
Probably the Dark Angels. You can tell by the way they (comparably) didn't risk their own lives and left everyone else behind once they'd done what they wanted.

Though for the day: Never bleed your own blood.

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>>53362445
Ordinatus are giant gun-carriages purpose built by the Adeptus Mechanicus for fucking things up. The smallest ones utilize Warlord-Titan weapons, while larger ones are build from the ground up by Arch-magi from fever dreams and ungodly amounts of gubbinz. They are Saturday Morning Cartoon villain super-weapons in power and design, but that's what everyone loves about them. While all Ordinatus share a general design concept no two are exactly alike, although Ordinatus Minoris tend to utilize fairly standardized parts.

>pic related, an Ordinatus Majoris that was looted by Orks. Because how could anyone resist having the biggest dakka ever?

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>>53362748
>They are Saturday Morning Cartoon villain super-weapons in power and design
To further explain we can look at the three old Epic Ordinatii: the Armageddon, Golgotha, and Mars.

Armageddon is just a Nova Cannon on wheels. Which doesn't sound impressive until you remember that Nova Cannon are the things they build capital starships around using the mile+ bulk of the ship as well as its engines to control the recoil.

Golgotha is also a simple design: the sick love child between Katyusha and ICBM. Because if one giant missile is good, surely rapid firing 6 of them is better.

Mars on the other hand is not so simple. It was built solely to breach a rebel fortress on Mars during the Heresy. It does this by blasting dubstep so hard that it liquefies the walls and anything inside. In Mechanicum Mars, bass drops you.

Special props go out as well to the Priam which is what happens when you need to put 4 companies of troops into a besieged city and your Magos stayed up last night watching The Core.

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How many of you fluff out your forces? I'm beginning to think of backgrounds for my force, and the individual marines within, and have been especially stumped on naming conventions. Any suggestions on where to look for inspiration, or patterns to use?

>>53363671
Well, for names you pick your historical or cultural background then add anus on the end.

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>>53363748

Excuse me, which end do I put the anus on?

>>53360268
True. But the Ultramarines try really hard at it.

>>53363748
Unless you're playing the XVIth. Then you use "addon" as your add on.

>>53363825
The rear end.

>>53363825
The anus comes at the end.

>>53363923

What if you have like a worm as your symbol, which has two ends

which end gets the anus

>>53363933
Both.

Can a guy that "must be a Warlord" be used in a Allied Detachment?

>>53364105
>RAW
no

>fun
yes

>>53363825
This instructional video will clear up your confusion: https://youtube.com/watch?v=haT1yOrEtRs

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Thousand Sons chaplain with a lot of bits cobbled together. That left arm is actually three arms cut up and glued. I want it to be more ornate but I don't have many ideas or bits for that

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>>53364545
beep boop fuck the wolves

>>53364580

With the Achea kit, is the central chest hole still three pieces (upper body, round thing, pelvis anchor) or is it all sculpted as one?

>>53364808
Yeah, three pieces. It's easy to manage those guys only took about twenty minutes to build

>>53352979

Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Primarch Magnus the Red?

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>>53365139

>>53365241
In my head Kor Phaeron is played by Ian McDiarmid.

>>53365602
Is Lorgar Mark Strong.

>>53365613
No, Mark Strong is clearly Horus

>>53365734
Mark Strong was deliberately who Forgeworld modeled Guilliman to look like. Pierce said this at the most recent Weekender. Horus is based on Marlon Brando.

Is Aiolos Missile Launcher worth 35pts? Doesn't seem that much impressive IMO

>>53366215
yes, always yes

>>53365846
My headcasting isn't based entirely on looks. The Primarchs are portrayed in official artwork with conflicting appearances all the time.

>>53366215
Its a great way to finish of weakened units, is one of the few pinning weapons that actually has a chance of inflicting damage, can threaten most vehicles you're likely to see by dodging to side armour, and can make a second aircraft jink if you suddenly get inundated by jets. Basically, its a great hole-filler, and unless you really, really need 35 points somewhere else for some reason i'd take it.

>>53366215
>not that impressive

Watch some batreps, man. I can't speak to other people's experiences but for me the lil nigga has pinned down multiple HS squads (prolly the only time pinning has actually done work), immobilized a rhino filled with a full combi-sniper vet squad (which wasn't so scary once it came to meet my hellfire plasma cannonade), and has killed a headsman's row of marines and dreads.

It's a little thing, but it adds that tiny plink that can wipe a last hull point, stop a squad, or menace anything near you enough to fuck with your opponent.

>>53366583
>prolly the only time pinning has actually done work
Sometimes I miss 3rd/4th Edition where pinning was the most debilitating thing short of being wiped out.

And where the Dark Eldar could run a dedicated pinning army that reduced games to solitaire.

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>>53366215
Speaking of the Aiolos, I just ordered my first Timberwolf MkII the other night, Autocannons+Aiolos loadout. I'm waiting to stick a subtle Battletech reference or two onto it

>>53366985
>subtle
Why bother? Go ham or go home

>>53367099
This
>t. Shaitan of Morningstar while listening to Horus explain what Abaddon's name means

What Terminator Armor was used during the horus heresy, and how does everyone feel about the smaller old terminator mini pieces?

>>53364105
If there any other caveat? Like "if taken in the primary detachment, must be a Warlord" or similar?

>>53366294
FW do try and establish a unified look with everything they do though.

Also Dynat is based on Al Pachino.

>>53362991
The Ordinatus Nova Cannon is a plasma based weapon. Also, the Eradicator and Hellhammer have Nova Cannons, which are just cannons with special shells.

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>>53367474
Cataphractii, Tartaros, and Indomitus (40k style) were all available during the Heresy. Cataphractii was the first type of Terminator armor designed during the Great Crusade, and was the toughest of the three while also being a bit slower overall. Tartaros was developed near the end of the Great Crusade, and while it is on par with Indomitus in terms of protection, efficient design means that it's able to move faster. Indomitus was developed during the Heresy and used by both sides to replace the heavy losses incurred, and is considered the 'baseline' for Terminator armors, being decidedly average all around.

Is the Tallarn series any good?

>>53367474
Cataphracti, Tartaros, and Indominitus (which is the standard 40k terminator armour). Indomitus is generally fine (Imperial Fists used a bunch of it) if you get rid of the Crux Terminatus. It only became a standardized symbol after the Heresy.

>>53367488
> Calleb Decima with the Decima Invictus upgrade may be selected as a HQ choice for either a Taghmata Omnissiah or Ordo Reductor War Covenant army narratively set in games after the Isstvan III campaign. In addition, he now countsas the army's Archmagos and must always be its Warlord.

Come to think of it, by RAW the upgrade can't be taken if the game is NOT narrative one then?

>>53367474
Cataphractii was among the first. Tartaros, Indomitus and Saturnine came later, around the same time and made by different places. Custodes had the Aquilon, which I believe is based on the Cataphractii. Gorgon terminator armour is based on the Indomitus. The Aegis terminator armour of the Grey Knights was most likely built around the (late) Heresy, but didn't see any action. I don't know if any place says what it's based on, but visually it looks like a variant of the Indomitus.

>>53367906
Saturnine models when?

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So I found a tube of transparent dark purple paint that has been at the back of my desk for who knows how long. After mixing it with silver on a whim, I found that it doesn't look half bad. Here's a test example, with Nuln Oil wash on the left wing and Druchii Violet on the right wing, the rest of the banner being unwashed. Might add some more purple to make it even richer in color.

Just a bit of a PSA, since I know one EC player came asking about metallic purple the other day.

>>53367748
Last I checked, the Mars was explicitly a naval Nova Cannon.

>>53367474
>and how does everyone feel about the smaller old terminator mini pieces?
Put it on a 40mm base.

>>53368206
Nuln Oil is the correct choice.

But fuck you, Emmanuelle.

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What is considered the best loadout for Templar Brethren?

Found out I'm winding up with a free set of 10

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>>53367748
The Epic model came out long before BFG, but in 2010 the novel Helsreach basically said it was the naval weapon called "nova cannon" and not a smaller one.

In old Epic fluff, Ordinatus Minoris each carried a weapon that you might see mounted on a Warlord or smaller titan, and a Majoris would have one that only an Imperator could carry (but usually a unique weapon).

>>53368654
You're lacking in options as your regular dudes can only take swords, but the usual one i see is ten dudes, champion with their solarite, definitely a shield on champion and negotiable on regulars. They'll be insanely mean in eighth once power swords become good at anti-armour again, but currently they can't touch anything with a 2+ save. Use them as a blender unit against anything in power armour, they fucking annihilate everything that lacks ap2 weaponry thanks to their native 2+, ws5 and furious charge

>>53368764
Or ADB was full of shit and didn't do his research.

>>53368796
Perfect, thanks so much; this is close to what I was planning, so it's very helpful.

>>53368796
I take plasma isn't worth it nor are melta bombs?

>>53368654
Give the lot combat shields and the champion a solarite gauntlet. They still won't be amazing, but they can butcher MEQ all day..

>>53368943
Plasma is barely ever worth it. And since the grenade nerf Meltabombs are kinda shit if you have afist or similar.

>>53368943
Plasma pistols always are generally trap options. Meltabombs used to be worth it but post-nerf they're trash. Stick with your 10-point mastercrafted powerfist sarge. Your main decision is whether to build them with shields or not-what with armour modifiers becoming a thing in 8th, i dunno whether you're likely to get much mileage from them unless FW drastically changes how they work.

>>53368796
>>53368994

Shields will probably be pointless for them in 8th. The Templar protect themselves by murdering the shit out of whoever they're charging before they get hit back. Their transport should be positioned in a way so as to shield them from the enemy army's ranged fire, which should be easy enough to do for a Land Raider.

I'm using Ashen Circle as regular assault marines because Ashen Circle models are beautiful and, as a unit themselves, are largely useless. Everything will be equipped appropriately. Magnetizing weapon arms and such in the event that they become worth taking again, of course.

>>53369027
Just take shields; it's in case models strike back, not for when they're in the open.

>>53369027
Do remember that there will be apparently a lot of strike-order shenanigans in 8th, so a invuln might be handy.
That said, if they keep a 2+ even after a melta hit they'd have a 6+ save. It'd be situational, but probably useful still.

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Hey guys, building up my 3.5k Imperial Fist list, how does this look?

Imperial Fists
Rite Of War: Pride Of The Legion

HQ: Legion Praetor w/ Cataphractii Terminator Armor, Paragon Blade, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield, and Grenade Harness 160pt

HQ: Command Squad of 4 w/ Cataphractii Terminator Armor, 1 Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon, and 2 Chainfist 190pt

Dedicated Transport: Legion Land Raider Phobos w/ Extra Armor 230pt

Elites: Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought w/ Two Kheres-Assault Cannons and Extra Armor 185pt

Elites: Templar Brethren Squad of 10 w/ a Champion w/ a Solerite Power Gauntlet 310pt

Dedicated Transport: Land Raider Phobos w/ Extra Armor 230pt

Elites: Apothecarian Detachment of 2 90pt

Troops: Legion Veteran Tactical Squad of 10 w/ a Veteran Sergeant w/ a Powerfist and Combi Melta; 4 Combi Meltas 225pt

Troops: Legion Veteran Tactical Squad of 10 w/ a Veteran Sergeant w/ a Powerfist and Combi Plasma, 4 Combi Plasmas 225pt

Troops: Legion Veteran Tactical Squad of 10 w/a Veteran Sergeant w/ a Powerfist, and 2 Heavy Bolters w/ Suspensor Webs 215pt

Fast Attack: Xiphon Pattern Interceptor w/ Ground Tracking Auguries and Armored Cockpit 220pt

Fast Attack: Legion Seeker Squad of 10 w/ a Sergeant w/ a Powerfist 270pt

Heavy Support: Legion Vindicator Squad of 3 w/ Extra Armor and Machine Spirit 450pt

Heavy Support: Legion Land Raider Phobos w/ Extra Armor 230pt

Heavy Support: Deredeo Dreadnought w/ a Lascannon Battery and Aiolos Missile Launcher 270pt

Total=3500pt

>>53369200
Note, I'm thinking of dropping an Apothecary for giving the entire Templar squad Combat Shields.

>unceremoniously gunning dynat down with vets
no better feeling
words do not describe how little I enjoy seeing that faggot on the table

>>53367791
dammit purple looks so gay

>>53369200
>no storm shields on the Command Squad
>3 different AA choices
>vets without transport

>>53369289
Taking storm shields on cataphractii with a transport is pointless and I don't even play Fists.

Mixed AA seems fine since they can all hit ground targets harder and only one is actual dedicated AA.

No more transport spam. He couldn't run them if he even wanted to because POTL.

Personally I'd ditch a Templar, throw the Apothecary in with them, ditch the second one, and buy a single rhino for a squad.

>>53369266
It's the same for me with Eidolon. His face seems to be a irresistable magnet for siege shells.

>>53369270
Look, EC are stupid, but their scheme is sexy as hell.

>>53369266
I hate him enough that I charged 10 Hetaeron into him and the Cataphractii squad next to him. Thank fuck nothing survived because fuck them.

>>53369311
Taking shields with a transport is far from pointless and I *do* play IF. If you get in a punchup with a heavy melee unit that 3++ is wonderful and worth many times those few bolter shots you'd get otherwise.

>>53369384
List maker here. I don't have those shields available. The models are already built.

>>53369200
Your HQ is balls-out expensive and honestly not that great, thats ~600 points that'll get smooshed by any dedicated CC unit or choppy CC character. Could be replaced by a praetor sitting with the templars, or a delegatus who sits with the seekers if you want to keep it cheap.

Your elites are fine, but the contemptor-mortis is outshone by everything else in the list that does its job better. Nothing should footslog or everything should, else you'll be picked apart by a competent opponent. Which leads us to our next point...

Footslogging anything more expensive than tacticals doesnt work well in 30k. Rhinos are cheap as chips and force your opponent to use mid to heavy weaponry to take them out. You put a multimelta on it, and they cant just ignore it even after it drops off its troops. I would drop the mortis and put at least your combi-melta squad in one so they can do their machine-killer thing.

Your vet sarges shouldn't be holding combi-weapons since regular joes can hold them instead, this helps them avoid getting sniped out turn 1.

Heavy bolters are a trap option, even with your boost to bs they're 40 points for two/four 18" range +1s bolter shots that don't penetrate armour of marines. For that you could bring eight combiplas, which will kill more in one fusillade than HBolters will all game.

Xiphon's weaponry is already mostly twin-linked, GTA does little for them. Not useless, just suboptimal.

Seekers are good, but you can take a proteus as a DT instead of a HS Phobos, and they're too expensive and good at shooting to charge anything with. Take a proteus, give them combi-plas and watch enemy deathstars melt under bs5 PE plasma.

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Are firedrakes good ?

I'm slowly building a salamander army, and really want to play them, but they seem soooo expensive !

Can I play 10 of then footslogging across the table with maybe a primus medicae attached to them ? Or is it as bad as it sound ?

ps: I freaking hate spartans, and I refuse to play it.

>>53369686
Use Spartans!

Seriously though, if you use a Death Star unit, you need to have a plan in mind. If you field 10 of them, odds are that a lot of your army should be there to offer backup. A rhino or two crammed with flamermarines, to prevent them from being bogged down by hordes of chaff? Sure. Multi-melta Jet/attack bikes to wreck people gunning for your deathstar? Sure. A package of salt for when a fucking Mechanicum player drops the Ordinati on the table? Always.

>>53369686
1. The best terminators in the game IMO
2. No.
3. Karybdis maybe then?

>>53369686
Firedrakes are insanely good. Footslogging ~500 points of t4 across the table is stupid though. If you really hate spartans, then you either have to take five-man squads in raiders, use a kharybdis, or double down and go full Orbital Assault.

>>53369712
>>53369716
>>53369732

Thanks for the advice guys, I will consider to play 5 of them in a land raider for now, and maybe buy a kharybdis in the futur if it fits in my list.

>>53363841
the ultramarines are one if the few forces interested in building an empire, and not just turning everything to ash. (as in the legionaire who crushes the barbarian but afterwards builds a road)

>>53369844
As opposed to the Raven Guard, Emperor's Children, Imperial Fists, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers...

Plenty of Legions built shit after wrecking worlds

>>53369844
I can't actually think of many that tried to rebuild at all. Mechanicum because it's what they do, Word Bearers to build loyalty and dissuade rebellion and the UM for spess Rome. Man, that was a shitty crusade when only the arch-traitor zealots, the autists obsessed with technology and hoarding and the pompous lazy boys who backstab politicians care about making people's lives better rather than sticking eagle flags in as many piles of ash as possible.

>>53369712
>Ordinati on the table
Firedrakes actually tank that reasonably well, since 3++ does an excellent job or reducing S5 ID down to about 25% casualties. Fear the regular artillery, if anything. Firedrakes are a massive pain for an army that relies on relatively small volumes of AP2/1 shots to tear through armour.

>>53369932
The job of an Astartes is to conquer worlds not repair and manage it. That task is better suited to the Imperial forces that follow in their wake.

>>53369902
sure they rebuilt damage or built triumph arcs to themself and appointed half decent regional governments, but no one, not even Horus was popping out grade A colony material like Roboute did. No one felt as personally responsible for his conquests either. Roboute developed every world he came across, not even abandoning wrecked shitholes like Calth.

>>53369932
Word Bearers were more interested in leaving monuments to the emperors glory than leaving actually well developed worlds. Even Monarchia was primarily a temple world, and after Monarchia the WBs were budy wrecking loyal worlds, not building much of anything

>>53369958
>The job of an Astartes is to conquer worlds not repair and manage it.
that is true for an astartes, but not a Primarch.

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>>53370092
I disagree, they're there to lead the Legions and spearhead attacks on enemy strong points, not necessarily install efficient governments.

>>53369995
A planet with enough infrastructure to support huge temples is probably a pretty well-developed planet by our standards. It may not be utopian, but given the references to Lorgar's words swaying millions to the Imperial faith I imagine the populations of them are at least content. That's more than can be said for most of the worlds brought into compliance by the Legiones Astartes.

>>53370127
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/22/a-preview-from-prospero/
Wow I'm sorry but Magnus looks fucking terrible. I mean those arms jesus christ just why?

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Has he got a goatee?

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Got a 4k game against Word Bearers tomorrow with my golden boiz and planning on using this list. I think I have all my bases covered. All I know is that he's using Lorgar, 2 Storm Eagles, and lots of Ashen Circle.

HQ: Constantin Valdor (All Legio Custodes models now have Teleportation Transponders) 275pt

Elites: Legio Custodes Contemptor-Achillus Dreadnought w/ Dreadspear 240pt

Elites: Legio Custodes Contemptor-Achillus Dreadnought w/ Dreadspear 240pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla/Sentinel WarBlade and Melta Bombs 310pt

Transport: Legio Custodes Coronus Grav Carrier w/ Extra Armor 140pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ Melta Bombs 300pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ Melta Bombs 300pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 275pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Sentinel Guard Squad of 5 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla and Solerite Power Gauntlet 325pt

Transport: Legio Custodes Coronus Grav Carrier w/ Extra Armor 140pt

Fast Attack: Legio Custodes Pallas Grav-Attack Squad of 2 w/ Extra Armor 180pt

Fast Attack: Legio Custodes Pallas Grav-Attack Squad of 2 w/ Extra Armor 180pt

Fast Attack: Legio Custodes Agamatus Jetbike Squad of 5 w/ 2 Corvae Las-Pulsars 425pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Contemptor-Galatus Dreadnought 250pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Caladius Grav Tank w/ Extra Armor 200pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Caladius Grav Tank w/ Twin-Linked Arachnus Heavy Blaze Cannon and Extra Armor 215pt

4000pt

>>53370234
wtf is that thing of his shoulder pad ! It doesn't seem to fit correctly

>>53370127
Wasnt Magnus supposed to be too big to wear armour properly? Hard to tell exactly but he doesnt look that much bigger then Russ there which just makes his arms look weird in comparison to his chest.

>>53370127
>still no Custodes termies
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!

>>53370234
>Amon
>master of the sneaky guys
>master of precognition
>master of mind reading
>so adept at hiding that even Ahriman has trouble finding him
>charging and screaming like a World Eater while casting some massively offensive spell
ffs if anyone should have had a static pose as a model it should have been Amon

>>53370234
Primaris marines will never be this cool.

>>53370189
>>53370329
It's called perspective. His torso is turned about 45 degrees off to his side, and his arms are definitely bent at the elbow, and thus longer than they look.

While the fact that Russ is in the foreground and there's at least 2 inches of space between them should also go towards explaining why he doesn't seem as big as you'd expect.

>>53370379
How can his troops see him otherwise? Dude's clearly so skilled at hiding that he just disappears if he isn't making a conscious effort to be seen.

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>>53354132
>>53354132
Ok so I had to do up a fluff post for the eyeofhoruspodcast event "Face of Oblivion" that was run on the weekend. Was a tits event with sick tables and fully painted armies everywhere. Anyway here is the into for the Mad Malagra Magos Coatl's force showing up at the event:

>Report-1876-B
>Oblivion Comms intercept
>Malagra asset Magos Prime Coatl
>Asset assumed KIA or Corruptus Extremis
>All channels wide band scrap code blurt
>Message repeats on a binary loop with unconfirmed voice overlays of Unknown origin++--
>Message repeats as follows
>PURGE PURGE PURGE PURGE PURGE PURGE
>PURGE PURGE PURGE PURGE PURGE PURGE
>Missing Malaga asset Magos Prime Coatl is to be consider compromised by the purging actions against the heretic AI warminds he was tasked to eliminate, Magos Coatl is to be considered Traitor Extremis, do not engage unless prepared to counter a large Thallax and Myrimidon cohort he was last seen leading into the tech labyrinth

at the end of the event he had claimed the skulls of two Alpha Legion Praetors in single combat and blended any squad he touched into a fine paste

>>53370504
Is that thallax on the left doing the can can?

>>53370504
Dancing thalax at the left?

Looks cool. How did you make that servo skulls?

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>>53370598
He is skipping merrily on his way to roll more rending attacks onto marines faces
>>53370650
They are just some combat knives slapped onto Arch Magos Draykavac Cyber Occularis models with a few extra arms from some Scyllax

Here they are murdering newly minted Micheal's Alpha legion

>>53370345
>Still no Saturnine terminator armor
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53370504
Your magos looks sick, bud. What kits did you bash him out of?

>>53370753
What's your set up for the Snek and how much the points cost? I'm guessing around ~250pts?

>>53370995
I was really hoping they'd release them before the end of the month too, because I've been waiting to make an order high enough to get free shipping, and getting into that draw for a free Warlord Titan would have been icing on the cake.

And the chances that they're out this weekend between "Slim and none". And slim is leaving town.

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>>53367818
More like "you can't take Decima Invictus for Istvaan III games, as he becomes Invictus AFTER the initial betrayal", but also, FW being FW, you can take the rules as "more like a set of guidelines" and do whatever you want as long as you have the decency to talk with your opponent first. You know, like FW themselves have said:
>You can play a version of the heresy where Ferrus goes traitor but Fulgrim and Curze remain loyal and go to stop him on Istvaan V.
That's an actual HH book quote, and yes, I don't know why some people think of 30k as "the historical reenactment game" when traditionally the ones that have actual "Echoes of War" missions are GW.

>>53370234
Well that fucker is getting his head replaced with a cut up version of Ahriman's 40K helmet.
And then I'll run him as either Amon or Ahriman as I feel like. Based FW+GW and all the savings you can make with a TS force.

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>>53368994
>Plasma pistols always are generally trap options.
But are they gay?

>>53369091
You are a clever traitor

>>53371360
>>53371324
Plasma pistols are the "traps" in the sense that fat 40yo crossdressers on craigslist are traps.

>>53371271
Why does Ferrus have a pipe wrench?

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>>53370234
FWs scenic bases are getting better and better.

I just wish they had this base for something 30k.

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>>53371728
Because at the time of Istvaan V Fulgrim had stolen the Forgebreaker, and Ferrus, now used to bludgeon things instead of using his plasma gun punches, grabbed the first thing he could find.
That's not a power wrench.
It's merely a regular wrench, swung with great fury.
Because all you need is hate.

>>53371728
Because at the time this cover was being made, there were literally two paragraphs in all of 40k about Ferrus Manus and zero official artwork.

>>53371844

I don't really like it. Most of FW's scenic bases to a very good job of hiding the join in amongst rubble and the like. On this one it's glaringly obvious.

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>>53370153
>>53369958
>That task is better suited to the Imperial forces that follow in their wake.
This. If you wish for kindness, look at those that come after them. However some forces did go the extra mile (it's EXTRA because rebuilding isn't war per se) and helped the recently conquered into the Imperium. The Imperial Fists, and to a lesser extent the Iron Warriors, built fortresses on conquered planets.
Unlike the Ultramarine and Word Bearer construction works, however, the IVth and VIIth did it to consolidate their holdings and to prevent further rebelion. But this was more a continuation of war than marines ruling like Horus and Guilliman wanted.

And other Primarchs could capture worlds without utterly reducing them to ashes first, like Ferrus, Corax and, surprisingly, Konrad Curze. Those guys didn't really need to rebuild

>>53370092
The Emperor is like the Bible; we simply ignore the shit we don't like and critizice others for not ignoring their own version of it.
Horus rebelled because he wanted his marines to rule over mortals, but Guilliman does exactly the same on the 500 worlds through secret police and spies under the cover of meritocracy, and nobody can't say anything because the streets are clean.
Yet the mortal contributions of the whole 500 worlds are surpassed by the Cadian system alone, and the ones who fight the Tau the most are actually Knights, RG, WS and IFs instead of the Ultramarines that are literally next door, and Ultramar lacks Hive Worlds because the separate kingdom keeps to itself...but I guess having lots of marines is a good thing.

>>53372271
>Horus rebelled because he wanted his marines to rule over mortals
Horus rebelled because he was a fool being played like a damn fiddle.

>Guilliman does exactly the same on the 500 worlds through secret police and spies under the cover of meritocracy
Guilliman even explained why Astartes will rule Mortals after the crusade, they are the best at war because they are the best at everything, once the weapons are silent, they will turn their talents to governing and all the other fields.

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>>53370504
>>Message repeats as follows
>>PURGE PURGE PURGE PURGE PURGE PURGE
>>PURGE PURGE PURGE PURGE PURGE PURGE
"Reeeeeee"
t. Cóatl
Pic related
>at the end of the event he had claimed the skulls of two Alpha Legion Praetors in single combat and blended any squad he touched into a fine paste
Holy shit he's scary.

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>>53372305
>Guilliman even explained why Astartes will rule Mortals after the crusade
True, and he's an idealist and all, but that's the thing:
THE GREAT CRUSADE WILL NEVER END.
That's what Horus couldn't understand either. Apparently, only Ferrus understood it, and he died because of it. Yes, marines are simply better than mortals in almost all senses yumm ;^), but thing is their best use is war, and last time I checked, there still were xenos and non compliants out there. There's the whole Ghoul Stars things and there still were reaches of unexplored space. The region beyond the Astronomicon's light was a refuge of enemy entities which would be a continuous source of trouble for the Imperium.
And even if the galaxy was ever won in the material plane, you still had to scour the Eldar from the Webway so that mankind could use it.
And the Necrons still lie dormant
And Tyranids are the proof that enemies aren't confined to this galaxy. Hell, it's not like the Magellanic clouds aren't there.
And the War of the Beast proved orks never really stopped being a problem, they were simply busy somewhere else.
That's why it's simply folly to ever think Astartes can be used to something other than humanity's champions.
Because in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.

stop posting this faggy shit

>>53372454
i agree for the most part, but ten thousand years of eighteen full-strength loyal legions would be pretty effective at cleansing even the most stubborn xeno presence, if the numbered mistakes didn't intervene and fuck everything up forever. Nids and crons migh wake up/arrive but if a thousand smurfs can beat off a hive fleet then a legion will eat them for breakfast

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>>53372543
Oh, what could have been...

>>53370263
Anyone?

How heretical would it be to put Ryza pattern Lascannons on Mk III marines?

>>53372801
The exact same as every custodes list forever, do you want a medal?

>>53372801
Srry man, I just don't know enough about Custodian armies to help you.

>>53372824
Very
not very

>>53372801
critiquing a custodes list is like critiquing a BaC PotL list.

>>53372824
They're your dudes, man.

>>53372856
That's not even close to accurate. You just don't know anything about them

>>53370263
Looks good? You can take on most things, but your dudes will be vulnerable to ID as always, and are almost certain to be outnumbered 2/3-1 at a minimum, so you might be vulnerable to your opponent deleting one or two units per turn by focusing all/most of his fire on them one at a time.

I like Custodes, but in larger lists their problems become very pronounced - there usually isn't a ton of customisation going on and so all lists look extremely similar.

I don't suppose you'd be willing to boot the Sentinel squad off and grab a Knight-Centura and some Oblivion Knights for anti-psyker and some variation? Or the Contemptor-Galatus or one of the Custodian Guard squads?

In that vein, how do you guys field Knight-Centuras and how do you model them? The easiest way seems to be never to use the loin-cloth-armour-thing with all the lightning bolts on anything BUT the Centura, which is what I'm considering (along with a slightly different paint job/minor conversions), and while the Greyfax conversion is decent I dislike the feet and, to be blunt, I'm not sure what other options remain.

>>53372847
>>53372872
I see people sperg out about this sort of shit all the time so I'm never sure.

>>53373129
Ryza weaponry is perfectly fluffy. Keep in mind that tons of models have armour and equipment that doesn't look "standard", and you can justify that by having your dudes have a tradition, or use this type of stuff to honour close comrades, because they have supply difficulties...

On Power Armour specifically, Mk 5 is literally every quick-fix piece of shit pumped out in the Heresy, so it always looks a bit ridiculous to me when I see models/units uniformly in Mk 5. Mix in some modified/banged up mk 2-4, 6 or even 7-8 if the heraldry is altered. Why? Because Mk 5 isn't standardised, and anything goes as long as it isn't out-of-the-box Mk 7-8 chest plates.

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>>53373023
While I don't have any Oblivion Knights I do have an Oblivion Knight Centura, 10 Prosecutors, and 10 Vigilators; the latter two needing paint. I could see myself parting with either the Sentinels or Galatus for them.

As for the conversions, mine is a Greyfax one and the other I'm building is a normal looking SoS model but reposed a bit with different wargear and a beefed up fur mantle; I'll snap pics later.

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Genetor Anon now has one less essay on the Enlightenment on his hands, reasonably free time and some money for the first time in six months. It begins once I decide what troops choice to buy the parts for first alongside the StormWhale. Recast Thallax and parts for Xander, or Castellax and Adsecularis converted up?
Also, is Miranda Irene considered reasonably reliable? I'd rather not pay for shoddy bitz.

>>53370753
Every time I see that model he looks cooler, despite seeming to still have all the same bits on him. Apparently specializations outside Archimandrite ARE worth a damn. Well REEEEEd, Magos.

How have the Occularis been performing? I was thinking of just quickly making four of them from greenstuff and spare Skitarii bits once I get that cable-making device.

>>53373415
MI is expensive but really good.

>>53373470
Wew I don't have any experience with recasters but are those prices considered expensive?

>>53373738
You can go a lot cheaper for crummier quality and less after-order service, yeah.

Are quad mortars even worth it if you do not take Phosphex?

>>53373738
How much are MI's thallax? Not looked at her catalogue in a while.

>>53362991
>Armageddon is just a Nova Cannon on wheels.
Which doesn't sound impressive until you remember that Nova Cannon are the things they build capital starships around using the mile+ bulk of the ship as well as its engines to control the recoil.

I very much doubt that it's a full sized Nova Cannon, remember those things fire shells the size of football stadiums, in short, the gun isn't nearly big enough.

>>53373948
Three of them are 16.50$
I am mostly looking at legion stuff and it might be my opportunity to get a twenty man breacher blob

>>53373978
Well, it's not, it's basically a plasma annihilator that fires a beam instead of a blast: >>53368400

How long till we get a bio-titan with a Shin Godzilla bio-plasma beam attack?

>>53373470
Excellent. Can I use the website to order, or the email on it? Because sorry FW, but £60 for a model that's going to be broken up for parts isn't happening.

>>53373948

$18 for 3 with one Special Weapon, $16.50 otherwise. Glad I waited, actually, pound has bumped up nicely and made things cheaper here in britland.

>>53371728
So he can bust a nut.

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>>53371271
>>53371728
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Fulgrim should have the hammer Forgebreaker and Ferrus the sword Fireblade.

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>>53374128
Oh you crazy genetor. This will either help you scratch your itch or make you even more crazy, I do not know which.
>Infested crab-tillery that shoots volatile organisms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhAKcgMCK4c

Seeing as their gods are the antithesis of each other, was there any rivalry between fulgrim/angron or mortarion/magnus before or after they ascended to demonhood?

>>53374817
That was not actually me, but fuck yes, more Stukov. I always liked him, and was considering picking up Starcraft again. They added a co-op mode? I may fit the Ordinatus or anything else I make with Volkite with something akin to the Leviathan Bio-Plasma from SC, though. Nothing says Deflagrate like shooting someone with enough acid it explodes through their skin and onto their friends.

>>53374859
Not really. Fulgrim, like most of them, just thought Angron was a savage dickhead. Angron didn't really gaf about what people thought of him.
Mortarion hates sorcery and so would shitpost about Magnus behind his back, but Magnus likewise dgaf about it.

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Does anyone else see the Ferrus Manus mini and just think of him whirling around like a Night Goblin Fanatic everywhere? Iron Hands player at the FLGS occasionally runs him solo if he feels it's safe and just watching the single mini run out in front of his Terminators to go smash something not worth the whole deathstar gives me the nostalgias.

>>53375188
Actually the same with a lot of the really dynamic Primarch poses now I think about it. Fulgrim and to a lesser extent Vulkan, Corax and Angron look really strange whenever they're not actively in melee.

Corax is just randomly shooting the ground, Fulgrim is doing some weird dance, Angron is shoving his own troops to the floor over and over again for fun and Vulkan is either posing or encouraging his sons, which at least makes a bit of sense.

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>>53372271
>>53372305
Horus rebelled not because of anything on his own end, but because he had the 4 Chaos Gods sneaking suggestions to him for years after his men took him to the witchdoctor on Davin. After poking around in his brain for years (and Horus spending far too much time with Erebus), he eventually became convinced that the Emperor was a shitbag and needed to be overthrown for x, y, and z reasons.

Yes, some marines and primarchs weren't 100% sure what would happen once the Great Crusade came to a close. But the thing is, they were ready to see it through regardless. And frankly, most of them would've had one or more positive qualities that could keep them busy afterwards. The IF and IW could spend millennia going around fortifying Imperial worlds, erecting even greater cities, etc. The Salamanders and IH could devote more of their time to their crafts. The EC could pursue all sorts of 'elite' crafts, and even do individual world building (Fulgrim was skilled in that regard, he was just never interested in maintaining an empire like Rowboat). Assuming they didn't go full Chaos, the WB would be amazing because of how much attention they put into raising the quality of life of each individual world in the name of the Emperor. TS would be in a delicate position, but Chaos fuckery aside could focus more time on the quest for knowledge and spreading it. I'm sure the Wolves would have fun finding a few more ice-bound Feral worlds to hunt and drink on. Even the war-focused Legions would still have plenty to do in the form of inevitable rebellions, Orks, Eldar, and horrible gribblies creeping in from the galactic edge. And I'm sure that even if Chaos hadn't corrupted Lorgar and Horus, it'd still be fighting tooth and nail to rise up wherever it could. The galaxy is a huge place. Even the Legions, 1-200k stronk, can't be everywhere at once.

>>53375188
Now I'm thinking of the Night Goblin Fanatic army someone made years back.

>tfw you realize the shoulders you ordered for your MKIV armor is actually MkIII

C-can I use them anyway?

>>53375709
Sure anon, just elaborate some fluff that justifies it

>>53375709
What legion?

>>53375797

They're night lords?

>>53375810

See above

>>53375538
>Why will you die for an Emperor you've never met?
>Because that is my duty
If the chaos gods give me a vision of my Emperor being worshipped as a god, I'll wake up and tell Him about it, and ask whether I should adore Him as well or go purge the cultists.
If I see in my dreams my Emperor fighting against me, I better wake up and apologize for bleeding on Him.
Shitbag or not, He's our Imperial Shitbag and our duty is to live and die for His sake.

But I suppose FW and BL needed an excuse to start the heresy. Horus better be corrupted in Davin AGAINST his will. Because yeah, I agree with most of what you said, and legions can always have a place in the Imperium.

>>53375797
>Night lord, why are you wearing the INCORRECT pauldrons?
>A) Because I stole them
>B) Because of my legion armorium's shitty logistics
>C) Fuck you, I don't give a shit
>D) I stole them from my legion's shitty armorium, and fuck you, I don't give a shit and you will give me your face.
EZ

>>53372271
>and the ones who fight the Tau the most are actually Knights, RG, WS and IFs instead of the Ultramarines that are literally next door
Which is odd because Chogoris is near the Maelstrom so you'd think the WS would be busy enough there. (At only 1,000 marines, I don't see why a chapter would spread itself over a wide area, but I guess they always have...)

>>53356970

post circuit layout please

>>53372801
They're good and they teleport, you've got nothing to worry about unless you come up against a cult horde.

>>53375709
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGX0upX-2EU

>>53356970
>>53357058
That's not proper Martian sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkXAmx33pj0

>>53376387
>That's not proper Martian sound.
ONE JOB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzY099ihULs

>>53376505
>ullanor
>not sounding like "uuullaaa"

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>>53375953
Well, that's how it happened. By technicality, the whole thing started with the Emperor razing Monarchia and censuring the Word Bearers in 964.M30. The resulting crisis of faith made Lorgar doubt the Emperor, and his lieutenants Kor Phaeron and Erebus, who used to practice a form of Chaos worship on their old homeworld, started twisting Lorgar to follow new gods. 40 years went by, with the Word Bearers becoming more and more corrupt, largely though the efforts of Kor Phaeron and Erebus. In 004.M31, Horus arrived on the moon of Davin to investigate loss of contact with the Imperial Governor there whom he knew. The governor, Eugen Temba, had been given a sword possessed by a powerful daemon of Nurgle by Erebus a few years earlier. The sword had corrupted Temba and his army into plague zombies, and during a fight with Horus struck and injured him, filling his body with warp-spawned diseases and going into a coma shortly afterwards. Erebus, stationed with the Sons of Horus as 'an advisor', suggested to Horus' highest lieutenants to take him to the Serpent Lodge for healing.

From there, the cultists sent Horus' soul into the Warp, where he conversed with a demon that showed him the 40k future we all know and love, (which Horus wanted to prevent, not knowing he caused it), and told him all of the things that Horus needed to hear to get him to betray the Emperor. As soon as Horus pledged to overthrow the Emperor, the Chaos Gods had him in their grip. He was cured of his Nurgle-born plague, and would then spend the next year convincing the Primarchs closest to him that Big E was actually a total asshole (which isn't completely wrong), or playing on their own fears or weaknesses to get them to his side. Once he thought everything was in order, Istvaan III happened, and the rest is history.

>>53375797
>>53376306

Here's another question, then. Would MkII shoulders be better or about the same?

>>53376549
It's "Ullator", and it'd sound like OOOOO at the lowest bass.

>>53375953
>corrupted
>AGAINST his will

But isn't the whole purpose of corruption to trick someone into becoming a pawn? Gradual process. By the time you're in too deep, it's too late to back down. I don't think you can just kidnap someone and beat them until the swear to become your new overlord or something. If course, if they saw the end result there and then, they'd object, so of course I don't want Horus to be ready to rebel from the get-go, but there to be that tiny morsel of doubt in him that can be exploited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oRb99OkDv0

>>53375953
>But I suppose FW and BL needed an excuse to start the heresy. Horus better be corrupted in Davin AGAINST his will.
He sort of was, but I think it was a good decision to give him some agency in his decision.

The old fluff was simply that he became possessed by a daemon after being wounded on Davin, and that doesn't seem convincing or compelling.

>>53376687
>It's "Ullator"

I always mix it with Ullanor Crusade.

>it'd sound like OOOOO at the lowest bass.

But that's no fun.

How do you even get sound weapons on Mars, isn't the planet's atmosphere too thin for something like that? Or did they fix it since the Age of Strife? Didn't the Martians live in underground/domed cities?

>>53376720
>I don't think you can just kidnap someone and beat them until the swear to become your new overlord or something.
The tainted weapon Horus was stabbed which was a Chaos Fulton, and he was recruited MGSV style >:^)
>>53376721
I remember something about him becoming disilutioned and disagreeing with they way Emps was handling things, but daemonic agency on top of his decision does seem like an improvement.

>>53376786
the Emp said it most fitting imo, Horus is just a weapon in the wrong hands, namely the hands of Chaos. Horus is not in charge. He's just a goon feeling in control, because that's what chaos wants you to think while you're nothing but their bitch

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>>53376778
Mars was terraformed and as green as Earth with a bit less water. Then it went the way of the Hive World, THEN they had a Krieg-esque civil war way before the Unification of Terra and the world was Mad Maxed with atomic fire.
The impression I got from the codex was that they NASA descendants survived in dome cities and came to see the technology as their savior. Which is when they outright came to adore it.
Then they had the literal current wars, only with more shooting lightning from fingertips, sucking life force out of the enemies and molten eyeballs everywhere, THEN the Old Night happened and contact was lost, then came the Men of Iron, and the catachombs beneath Mars got filled with sentient automata trying to kill stuff, and virus were released and the library was virulent sentient ashes.

Then the Heresy happened :|

Oh, esperanza...

>>53376961
Six apocalypses and an era of disunity later, they STILL have the most advanced military available to humankind, in numbers that make marines a drop in the bucket. Say what you will about the toasterfuckers, they get shit done damn well.

>>53376387
>>53376505

>expecting a mechanicumfag, a tripfag, a TAUfag, to understand the expected feel of the setting.

>>53376961
>THEN the Old Night happened and contact was lost, then came the Men of Iron
The Men of Iron happened during the Dark Age of Technology, i.e. before the Age of Strife (Old Night). I'm not clear on whether their rebellion actually sparked the Age of Strife; they have have been separate events (with the Age of Strife happening when psykers started getting themselves possessed all over the place).

Mars and its offspring worlds don't seem to have had a major problem with psykers, but certainly with Men of Iron, hence their fear of AI.

>>53377180
I thought the Mechanicum and the Mechanicus fit in pretty damn well with the setting? They're nicely grimdark as an entity and military, strange but with a few noble moments and cool characters, have powerful bullshit they may or may not understand on a case-by-case basis (more so in 40k than 30k, they know their shit now, but 30k is overall more nobledark as a whole anyway.). Their aesthetic is badass and they always lose their fluff battles so noone complains about them beating their precious snowflake marines in a writer wank fight.

>>53377180
I don't know who you're referring to, or how you know there's both a Taufag and a tripfag involved.
>>53377190
I was referring to both the Skynet event and the time when the warp was impassable and psykers were used as daemonic conducts en masse.
One happened before the other, but they were two different events.
Example: the Knight worlds defended themselves against daemonic incursions because they went full feudal and burned all the witches. No mention of Men of Iron there, despite being affiliated to Mechanicum more than other worlds, which did suffer the "I, Skynet".

>>53377308
>>53377537

it's questioning shas's taste in music prompting what true admech music would be

I love dreadnoughts, but not sure which combo would work best in actual match.

> 2 Leviathans
> 1 Lev + 2 Cortus
> 3 Cortus

Which combo would you guys go with?

>>53377846
I'm always terrified of Cortus spam, but that's because Mechanicum loathe fast S10 with a passion. The "best" combo would probably be double pod Leviathan.

I dislike the fact that every battle report I see has double pod Levi and SpartanStar with Quadmortars, two Tacs or Vets in Rhinos and then one flyer. That's pretty much it, honestly, apart from that RG guy on Winters SEO's channel who brings lots of different stuff.

Then again, I'm sitting here complaining other people are having fun wrong, so shows how valid that dislike actually is.