Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

1st for nobody.

What are your plans for the Primaris Marines?

>>53253134
>1st for nobody.
Is that you Malal?

I wish they'd release the 8th edition rules already.
>>53253149
Depends on how much they cost (50 euros for 5 probably) and what other units they get and how armies work in 8th edition.

>>53253149
>falling for a meme

Nth for manlet marines are not people

>>53253149
Ignore as another GW gaffe probably

>>53253149
I might buy a small group of them to be used sorta like veterans in my Blood Angels Army.

>>53253149
Going to paint them all with no helmets and black skin and ally them with SoB with white skin

Primaris Deathwing when?

>>53253149
Ignore them like the meme they are.

Gonna be too busy with my GSC, Orkz and possibly Tau

Ork faction fokus when ??

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We're next lads! What tidbits are you hoping to see?

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>>53253100
Alright anon, what are you building currently? Bought anything today?
I couldn't help myself and bought 5 Cataphractii Terminators for about 20€ off ebay. My backlog grows.

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Paint all my orks in different clan colours, like they were in Ere We Go with each mob belonging to a different clan.

New edition has rules for clans.

You can't mix clans in a single detachment.

>>53253149
Might buy a handful to use as Alpha Legion or some swole Khornates. Might steal the guns to have bolter snipers for Sternguard or the like

>>53253149
They look neat but it's kinda spooky how they keep stealing my ideas from half way around the world.

>marine models should be taller
I meant all marines
>primarchs could come back
the lesser ones who dont bring hope to the setting
>marines should have two wounds
all marines because they have two hearts and are underwhelming currently
>cover should modify to-hit
not rewritten
>real-time points balance
not age of sigmar

>>53253149
At least the tactical version has nothing to offer to my SW army, so I'll pass for now
If by the release of 8th they'll have released a more assault-focused version I could be interested

>>53253266
You forgot your meme arrows, anon.

Here are three, on the house > > >.

>>53253261
I just built two chimeras and leman russes for my Imperial Guard. I should paint my stuff but I've fallen to apathy with the closing of 8th edition.

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>>53253230
>Ork faction fokus when ??
Well da Dark panzees are on Wednesday, so afta dem I guess.

>>53253266
>You can't mix clans in a single detachment.
Freebootaz iz a fing ya silly git.

>>53253293
Wow, I really fucked those spoilers up

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>>53253266
>New edition has rules for clans.

>>53253046
Use minimum sized squads with two burnas.
Outflank, toast a backline unit and take linebreaker by going to ground in ruins for the rest of the game.

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>>53253149
Thinking of starting a Marine army with them. Maybe Fists.

>>53253261
Just ordered a Vostroyan squad to be a Vet squad. I also just picked up 20 Cultists. Going to use them as hive gang members recruited to be meatshields with my penal legion guys.

Also going to paint my command squad and my Straken count as and some other HQ models.

>>53253326
The Tau have rules for the Septs

Let's try not to bait and joke and let's admit that Orks are receiving Klan rules and IG is receiving Regiment rules

>>53253261
This last week I've picked up four chimeras, four sentinels and about 80 guardsmen off the bay of e, including the contents of an old battleforce box. All for under a hundred quid.

I'm gonna strip that shit, see how well the cadians and catachans are assembled (I'm guessing poorly), and put it back together into my Renegades and Heretics.

>>53253326
It seems likely from what we saw on the Tau Drone profile, with the <Sept>. If Tau get <Septs> It's likely that this is how they'll do rules for Guardsman <Regiments> and in another step, Orks getting <Clans>

>>53253261
Got a massive fucking essay on Enlightenment Philosophy in for Friday, so no fun for me allowed. After that though, I have about £100 to grab a little 30k loot, so I'm deciding whether to buy a bunch of disparate stuff and start on the my insane Stormbird Whale project and the Archmagos commanding it, or just buying Calth and some Word Bearers stuff and doing them instead. Madness or volume and practicality, and it's rare that Word Bearers are the sane ones.

>>53253261
fuck I was looking for those last week but couldnt find any under 40
I only wanted one, as well :(

What I should do however is assemble the rest of my 40k and fantasy minis after painting the ones I already have assembled
I have around 200 minis unassembled with a landraider, a rhino and a couple fantasy monsters in there
around a 100 or so unpainted but assembled

>>53253370
Yeah but Tau aren't a NPC faction like Orks

>>53253266
>You can't mix clans in a single detachment.

Highly unlikely

Time to pick a klan ya git

Just go goffz or deffskullz for ease

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>>53253260
Return of the Wyches, Hellions, and Incubi having an easier time getting to assault. A personal wishlist is a more customizable archon, like a Reaver Archon, Scourge Archon, or even a Hellion Archon. Also, plastic incubi pls.
Also Kabal/Cult rules, seeing as there are already <Chapter> and <Sept> keywords.

Side note, I finished my reavers last night.

>>53253355
My man, I was thinking the same
Decided to put it off for the time being because of gargantuan backlog

>>53253149
I'm going to convert a batch into purifier grey knights. Not sure how I'm going to the hands holding swords though, since they are larger.

>>53253460
Use GK Terminator Sword bits, the hands and blades are larger.

>>53253230
>Ignore them like the meme they are.
>Ork faction fokus when ??

For ten years, Mek Boy Orkimedes has been working on a task set for him by the infamous Warboss Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka: a new Waaagh! of boyz. Now, though the Octarius sector is poised on the brink of total victory, his task is complete…

The Primaris Ork, a new breed of boy for this, the Waaagh!-est time in the galaxy's history. These new warriors are the next step in the evolution of children of Gork and Mork – genetically altered using the lost Prime-Orks to be bigger, stronger and faster – reinforcements to Ork's Waaagh! as they close around their enemies for the kill.

To aid them in battle, these new gene-forged boyz are equipped with new arms and armour forged on holy Armageddon itself.

>>53253260
>Mandrakes and Wyches become good at assault
>A reason to run half the units in my codex
>Bring back the 3/4th of named characters we lost
>Make DE actually faster than craftworlders
>Give the Archon more customisation


No seriously, why the fuck does DE not have rules for Vect, it's like having UM without Kalgar

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>>53253404
>Yeah but Tau aren't a NPC faction like Orks
>aren't a NPC faction like 'nids
'ixed dat for ya.

>>53253407
>Time to pick a klan ya git
>Just go goffz or deffskullz for ease
>mfw I run a Freeboota merc-style army and suddenly learn that deffskullz/bloodaxes are now allowed to use ACTUAL Looted Vehicles again, but Freebootaz get shafted by GW

>>53253487
that's a good idea. I wonder how the terminator arms will compare to the numarine ones. They still might be a little big though.

>>53253260
Both the elves hold hands and forget their differences and combine into one faction.

Shit wrong game

You know, the removal of scattering and templates is going to effect the Chapter Master's orbital strike ability if they keep it.

>>53253260
When will the Nid faction focus be.

But I'm also interested in the Deldar though

>>53253370
>let's admit that Orks are receiving Klan rules

If they do everything will be a negative. It'll be like choosing a politician, they're all shit but you have to choose the one you dislike least.

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>important characters in 40k have more attacks and wounds than basic grunts
>the more important you are, the more attacks and wounds you get
>primarines have 2 attacks and 2 wounds, because they are the protagonists
>orks have 2 attacks on a basic boy, 2 wounds and 3 attacks on squad leaders
>orks confirmed as second most important faction
>marinelets can't compete

>>53253577
>Range: Infinite S: 10 AP: -4 Damage: D6 Barrage D6

>>53253577
>Hits on a 5+ instead of 2+

Not that much desu.

>>53253584
We'll be last

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>>53253149
Nothing, I play CSM. Sit here, heretically.

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>>53253149
Contemplating making a Raven Guard army with heavy use of primaris marines. Is this a good or bad idea?

>>53253547
If you use terminator arms you'll have to use terminator pauldrons too.

>>53253640
If you don't have shit taste you'll use sparse Primaris as elites

>>53253640
Whoa that bolter is wonky
I don't think Ravens mind what kind of marines they use though.

>>53253547
Hand+swords are a separate bit from the arm.

Can any experts tell me what in Warcraft lore could be the closest thing to a Warhammer Chaos Warrior or Chaos Space Marine? I'm talking about playable characters like Death Knights or Demon Hunter, and what race? A friend wants to know and I know you guys are lore experts

>>53253601
>>53253604
It would probably need to follow the 'closest target only' rule else you could get into stupid character sniping shenanigans with that.

>>53253640
I'd wait till we see the rest of them.
I'm not entirely pleased with the current troop squad, squad size looks too small and not that flexible

>>53253640
We don't know yet.

Part of the reason I'm holding off of these numarines is because I don't know if they can fill an army.

>>53253685
Warcraft is shit and the mere mention of its lore annoys me.

Is new 40k made by Orks only?

The bigger you are the stronger you get.

Did Ork won?

>>53253704
>Did Ork won?
>There Is Only War

Seems that way

>>53253640
I'd wait until we see the Assault Primaris unit.

>>53253685
For playable character probably Death Knight
>Warrior empowered by a dark "god"

That or a Twilight Hammer cultist / Shadow Priest as they are literally using dark (Old Ones) to power themselves

>>53253499
>orkimedes
well, now my weirdboy has a name, thanks anon

>>53253260
glorious assaults

>>53253727
>They all use "Heavy Chainswords" for Str. User +2 AP-1

>>53253685
I'm not a lore expert but I'd look for humans that serve the Burning Legion.

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NEW CHAOS DUDES COMING SOON

>>53253739
Twilight Cultists would be the closest, old god mutations would be a nice comparison.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12973307

Thoughts on 8th ed Tau?

>>53253753
He's an actual character, though.

>>53253660
>>53253687
>>53253727
Good points and definitely something to consider.

>>53253753
He's an actual character in the lore

Obviously you can name him whatever you want, but it would be like calling an OC Space Marine Grimaldus or Logan Grimnar

>>53253753
Orkimedes is an ork character (without a model though) and Ghazzys personal Big Mek IIRC

>>53253543
What is this NPC meme?

Is it special snowflakes or something?

>>53253770
Plague Marines, Nurgle Terminators, and Mortarion are confirmed but I'm waiting for new boxes of Chaos Marines and Noise Marines.

>>53253640
Well, they look better than the old marines, so if you're starting a new army, might as well get the best looking ones. Pretty sure to have decent rules as well.

Will probably receive plenty of support in the future too, unlike old marines.

On the other hand, they are going to be expensive as fuck and there's no second hand ones on ebay. Hopefully the new starter set will be a bargain and the enemy (death guard, according to rumours) are good, so there might be some going spare.

As for raven guard in particular, it's hard to say. Primaris might not mesh well with their chapter tactics. Also, they aren't as easy to paint as you might think, at least if you want them to look OK.

>>53253826
Slaanesh is going to be squatted.

>>53253792
I think the Markerlight Nerf is actually a pretty big deal. No ignoring cover, only refills instead of boosting BS.

For everyone freaking about Over watch and falling back, they're forgetting how much less it'll sting when it isn't BS 3 overwatch and BS 5 ignores cover shooting normally

>>53253844
Nope.

>>53253844
No

>>53253149
Corrupt them as soon as the rules for Chaos Primaris hits the joint.
Since the shoulder pads and heads are in a similar scale, I could probably easily convert them to Nurgle.

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>>53253595
>If they do everything will be a negative.
>Goffs: DID SUMBODY ASK FOR MOAR DEFF DREADS?!
>Bad Moonz: Iz said MOAR DAKKA YA STUPID GROT!
>Snake Bites: Squigs. SQUIGS EVERYWHERE.
>Evil Sunz: QUICK APPLY MOAR RED PAINT! WEZ GONNA GO FASTA!
>Deff Skullz: Wez lootin' EVERYBODY nao! (Deffgunz replaced with other ANY army's weapons)
>Blood Axes: Why yes, dat iz a Looted Baneblade.
>Speed Freeks: Sorry, I can't hear ya ovah my JET ENGINZ! (goes faster than just a red paintjob)
>Freebootaz: Can take any of these benefits, albeit at a smaller level/higher cost.

If the above actually happens, I will be one VERY happy Ork.

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>>53253834
>Also, they aren't as easy to paint as you might think, at least if you want them to look OK.

I took this screenshot from /WIP/ not long ago. Really cool way to get black armor without the TRON edge highlight look.

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>TWO WOUNDS EACH
REGULAR MARINES UTTERLY BTFO

>>53253687
> I don't know if they can fill an army.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/primaris-space-marines-faq-may15gw-homepage-post-2/
>Can I field a whole army of Primaris Marines?

>You totally can. From a background point of view, some Chapters, especially those decimated in the events of the Gathering Storm, now have entire companies of these new warriors. Others have incorporated squads of Primaris Space Marines into existing Battle Companies. And perhaps most excitingly, Guilliman has founded some entirely new Chapters out of these new Space Marines.

????

>>53253947
Poorfags on suicide watch

>>53253739
What race as a DK?

>>53253701
I know Warhammer lore is infinitely better, but it doesn't have a proper RPG or MMO to play with friends. Best thing is just trying to be one in another game.

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>>53253908
That's me!

>>53253957
Good thing I'm a loser who lives with his parents and saves all his work money.

>>53253834
>>53253908
Thanks for your opinions. Will save that image for inspiration.

>>53253947
>$50 for a box of 5
>$70 for a box of 5 devastators/assault marines
>$75 for a Primaris Dreadnought
>$50 for a Primaris Rhino

>>53253947
Robbie going for that shadow empire

>>53253873
>>53253876
First stage of grief is denial.

Slaanesh is done for.

>>53253971
How'd you do that, it looks pretty nice?

>>53253980
45 for a box of 10.

>>53253993
They come in squads of 5 fuckboi, they aren't gonna give you a squad of 10.

>>53253901
Don't hold your breath.

GW hates Orks. As an Ork player I'd rather just just squat Orks instead of just fucking with us for over a decade.

>>53253971
Is that the same Middle Marine? That's sweet, what was your process after you did the heavy washes?

>>53253818
>What is this NPC meme?
As I understand it: it's bashing any army that an anon doesn't consider "important/relevant" to the setting. Which, given how GW has been treating the 'nids these last few years, seems painfully appropriate.

Other anons are free to correct me on this if I'm wrong.

>>53253992
Prime white, base coat mechanicus standard grey, layer dawnstone, drybrush administratum grey, and wash it 4 or 5 times with nuln oil.

So since a Contemptor and a Riptide cost similar points will the Contemptor stateline be similar to the Riptide's?

>>53254012
30 for a box of 5

>>53254012
source?

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>>53254017
Sorry, I don't understand the question.

I'm doing legion of the damned so all that was left after the washing was detail work like flames and shoulder badges.

I wonder if Tau battlesuits still get their jetpack move.

Sounds like it got replaced by that Fly rule.

Hopefully not because then they'll die horribly after shooting something for a turn.

>>53254028
You have no idea if they are similar points still.

>>53253818
NPC= non player character
aka armies that just serve as something for the imperium to kill and arent important to the game

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>>53253149
Use them in my Rogue Trader army as requisitioned space marines (currently using Legion of the Damned for that role. We'll see which feels better in play).

While on topic, I hope they release a RT unit sheet soon, so I don't have to keep using a xenos inquisitor.

>>53254051
I meant to say "they aren't you gonna give you a box of 10"
But their datasheet lists them as 4 marines and a sergeant, no upgrades whatsoever. It was just posted on the community site.
>>53254043
>People will defend this

>>53254037
Having served and killed, I really relate to that comic

>>53254059
No more than anything else ever died horribly

>>53253991
First stage of shutting down misinformation is also denying it. Slaanesh is confirmed to be in 8th edition.

>>53254053
Maybe it's just the picture, but the black in the second picture looks darker, and built up more.

>>53254078
they might come in 10. Stormcast liberators come in a box of 10 for $62 USD.

>>53254023
I have been seeing it more and more.

It is fucking lame.

The variant armies of this game give it its awesomeness.

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>>53254081
DEUS VULT

>>53253149
Alpha Legion, to confuse and enrage

Are all Dire Avengers blue?

>>53253964
>rpg
Dark Heresy
>mmo
Warhammer reckoning
Eternal shitsade

>>53253640
Fluff-wise it seems a bit dodgy. Looks like they are saying that chapters only get enough newmarines to fill them back up to nominal strength, which for the raven guard isn't that many because they haven't really taken heavy losses recently.

Space wolves on the other hand should now be about 90% newmarines if they are sticking to the background.

>>53254081
Where the heck did you serve that you had to kill a husband-and-wife soldier duo?

>>53254132
Yes.

That is there temple. They are sort of like deathwatch in that way. They all change to the black when they join. But keep some of their chapter markings.

>>53254132
Ynnari Avengers are red and black.

>>53254104
Could be the lighting, or it could be the contrast of other colors on the model making the black look darker.

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Make it 100 for a box of 5 new marines
Poorfags can use the manlets

>>53254138

>Dark Heresy
Not enough friends IRL

>Reckoning
dead

>Eternal Shitsade
tried it, it's too shit

>>53254142
>they haven't really taken heavy losses recently
Damocles Gulf? They lost more than a Chapter Master over there. The reveal of the ghostkeels did some serious work against them and the scars.

>>53254016
>GW hates Orks. As an Ork player I'd rather just just squat Orks instead of just fucking with us for over a decade.
>GW hates Orks
>GW just removed Initiative, one of things that's been crippling Orks for over a decade
>GW's confirmed that twin-linked's going to allow Orks to shoot even MOAR dakka than before
Be skeptical, sure, but this pessimism is just pointless.

>>53254161
Either way, those are some sick Legion of the Damned.

>>53254081
You shot a dude then gangbanged his elf wife on top of his corpse then when everyone was done you shot her too?

Damn anon you one hardcore dude

>>53254037
oh look it's another meme tier comic that completely disregards the fluff, loyal human
mutants and psykers are already completely despised and distrusted yet this random ass guardsmen that has just seen 50% of his squad get torn to bits on a molecular level reallyfeels bad about this xenos couple

>>53254186

Until Ghazghkull shows up again, and a whole dozen unique Ork characters show up and start a Galaxy-wide WAAAGH, I'm going to say Orks are being shafted.

>>53254066
>Kynblax Genocide

>>53254037

filthy xenos propaganda

>>53254109
>I have been seeing it more and more.
>It is fucking lame.
>The variant armies of this game give it its awesomeness.
No arguments from me anon.

Of course, >>53254062 explanation is pretty much the logic used by folks who think the Imperium is the good guys of 40k. In other words: MORONS.

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>made obsolete by new vat born marines
>dumped on trash planet somewhere in the Ultima Segmentum because deemed obsolete
>learn to feel again and regain some of my lost humanity by interacting with the local humans
>new marines come to kill the locals for practice and exercise their tactical superiority
>use my veteran status and kill them all off in creative traps that no vat born marine could have the creativity to make
>Kill the leader new marine in hand to hand combat thus proving we aren't obsolete after all, and the vat born marines are uncreative newbies

>>53254248
I am an imperial fag and that is wrong lol.

They are the least shitty of the factions besides the tau who are shitty in their own way but not as facist but they are def not the good guys.

There are no good guys.

>>53254248
are perchance a sentient life form that isn't human ?
cause unless you are , the imperium are the good guys

>>53254142
They have lost only one Wolf Lord and their Chapter was at least 3'000+ marines to begin with
They're fine

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>>53254279
>There are no good guys.
Ultra Marines.

>>53254248
You're argument is flawed for thinking that just because the Imperium isn't good doesn't make it any less the absolute protagonist of the setting.

>>53254268
>Enemy Marines haven't had the slightest tactical indoctrination or training so stumble straight into obvious traps.
I don't think so.

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-tau-empire/
>Tau faction focus
>D-don't worry guys, game is balanced
>Crisis teams have three weapons each
>Stormsurge has 10 weapons.
>Everything can moonwalk right out of combat and keep shooting
>Unlimited overwatch with supporting fire, 3d6 auto flamer hits per crisis suit
>D-don't worry guys, we're making melee great again!
ORK AND NID PLAYERS ABSOLUTELY BTFO
HOW DOES IT FEEL TO GET KEKED BY NEW GAMES WORKSHOP?

>>53254147
Not soldiers, but I served in Syria. People turned into "Collateral damage"

>>53254218
>Until Ghazghkull shows up again, and a whole dozen unique Ork characters show up and start a Galaxy-wide WAAAGH
>a Galaxy-wide WAAAGH
>What is Ghazzy's Great WAAAGH?

>>53254315
That's not even accounting for any potential Psykers among the new marines

Isn't Primaris Marines just an excuse to have every fucking 'normal' Marine killed off by 9th edition so the Primaris Marines become the 'default' Marines.

People have long moaned that current Marines are manlets and 'unfluffy'. Now the Primaris Marines are the 'right' size and the model change is just fluffed in universe. I bet you there will be some evolution quote.

Think about it. Every major faction in 40k in terms of Chapters is poised to get rekt. Blood Angels have Daemons and massive Nid invasion to deal with (and this time Ultramarines won't come and help them like BA's helped UM's in their Nid War) and the prophecies end up saying that Baal falls and only a few Blood Angels leave (and thus most of the Successors are killed off in this event). Salamanders are on the brink after their civil war with the Dragon Warriors. White Scars are struggling. Raven Guard are struggling. Iron Hands are going mental. Imperial Fists are stubborn.

So on, so forth. So does this make sense to anybody else?

>>53254331
Ah, sorry to hear that. Who'd you serve for?

>>53254331
And that's bad because...? What did you think you'd do as a soldier?

>>53254186
>>GW's confirmed that twin-linked's going to allow Orks to shoot even MOAR dakka than before

Except everyone else gets more benefit from the new rule than orks. Ork twin-linked weapons got about 20% better, while marine ones got about 50% better.

>>53254285
They oppress their own people.
Hell there's an entire religion that is phony and exists to stagnate mankind.

>>53254328
>how does it feel to get keked
You ask as though this is something new,
the same as its felt for the last three editions

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>>53253844

>>53254016
>GW hates Orks
>updated them with loads of models
>gave them Shadow War uniqueness with sub-factions

And so on. You're an idiot.

>>53254357
He just said he sympathized with the comic, dolt. Even if you knew it going in, which he probably did, it doesn't make it any less of a shitty feel when it happens.

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>>53254361
All I read was SPLINTER RACKS FOR DAYS

>>53254328
Oh, so you've seen the points for their models? Great. List them please.

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>>53254328
>muh orks and bugs will be good again
>Tau units literally ignore melee combat

>>53254331
>served in syria

>>53254406
>Tau ignore melee!
>By which I mean battlesuits are slightly less screwed after their entire unit is slaughtered in assault

In other news, the sky is falling

>>53254393
Us or them mentality faggot. If we ain't killing them in the desert, they are blowing us up and shooting us in our own countries in the name of Allah. The world sucks, better them than me

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>we got shit tier fucking gorgets like the Death Watch armour

FUCK SAKE GW IT LOOKS UGLY AS FUCK. ESPECIALLY FOR BLOOD ANGELS. I DON'T WANT THOSE GAY ASS GORGETS.

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53254406
IF they somehow manage to not get BTFO by the charge AND battleshock, faglord

>>53254380
>Hell there's an entire religion that is phony and exists to stagnate mankind.
Except by the fact that faith is power and the Emperor like became a chaos entity and is the only thing stopping a legion of demons ripping humanity ass?

>>53254186
>>GW just removed Initiative, one of things that's been crippling Orks for over a decade
People can just use a command point to hit first instead, while Orks are going to have to use their command points to negate getting fistfucked by battleshock.

>>GW's confirmed that twin-linked's going to allow Orks to shoot even MOAR dakka than before
Orks don't benefit from twin linked being double the shots that much. Learn some math.

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>>53254328
Preys can't shoot if you eat them first.

>>53254425
I like that part of them.

I was just explaining why they are not the good guys.

>>53254344
>Isn't Primaris Marines just an excuse to have every fucking 'normal' Marine killed off by 9th edition so the Primaris Marines become the 'default' Marines.
That was my thought.
9th will have them as "Archeo Marines" or something. And by 10th, they'll just be gone.

>>53254449
Umm it looks cool sweetie

I was really hoping they wouldn't AoS'd this fucking game
I was soooo mistaken...

>>53254444
Congratulations. That is literally the punchline of the comic in question. You nailed it. Gold star.

>>53254338
>>What is Ghazzy's Great WAAAGH?
non-existent in terms of the game's rules.

>>53254488
They didn't terra is not a space realm full of capeshit in the sky and the emprah is not dead.

>>53254457
No thanks to the Inquisition and it's archaic and downright self-serving rituals.
One thing does not supersede the other.
Besides, the Emprah was always a Warp entity in a way or another.

>>53254449
>Blood Angels
>Not wanting gay things

Maybe you chose the wrong army, anon

>>53254503
We'll see about that anon
The gathering storm is just begining

So tau will be broken, what else is new

I already refuse games against tau anyway

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>>53254442
>>53254452
>B-B-B-BUT I'L KILL THEM IN MELEE
>IT DOESN'T MATTER THEY GOT A HUGE BUFF
>I s-s-sure am g-glad I'm not still playing 7th!
"""Melee""" races on suicide watch!

>>53254530
Name the 3 main things that made Tau OP in 7th

Name the 3 main things that suggest Tau will be OP now

>>53254285
>>53254308
>>53254312

As >>53254279 put it nicely:
>There are no good guys.

Doesn't really matter since Orks have already won in the grand scheme of things. They live for war, and can find it anywhere they go.

>>53254406
>talking shit before the other faction focus segments have come out, especially when 8e's rules seem to favor melee armies over shoot-happy glass cannons like Tau
I question the intelligence of this decision.

>>53254468
>People can just use a command point to hit first instead, while Orks are going to have to use their command points to negate getting fistfucked by battleshock.
Source on this statement? Because I think you're talking out your ass.

>>53254328
literally only the stormsurge can fall back and shoot, because its a fucking gargant

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>>53254547

>>53254551
Japanese Honor
Japanese Spirit
Way of the Samurai

>>53254547
>HuGE BuFf!
>Literally a 5 point upgrade Crisis suits could already take

>>53254398
Doubt Splinter Racks will give twin-linked nowadays, will probably give a reroll or easier to hit if that.

>>53254515
Not the RIGHT gay, this is wrong gay. It's not flamboyant sculpted from marble gay. Why is this the design? Current tacticals don't have the gorget. I dunno why they added it for Death Watch..

>>53254575
>Way of the Samurai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ0hRbLsC68

>>53254599
Cause the neck shell trap was a major flaw in the MkVII armor.

Duh.

>>53254557
>Orks have already won
No, they are just living their win-state. "Won" implies conclusion, when at any point this can easily change if necrons scour the galaxy. If that were to happen, as it still can, the orks would have lost "in the grand scheme of things."

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>>53254547
>anon who doesn't even play 40k try to pass for a Taufag
>>>/out/

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>>53253203

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>>53254609
>mfw listening Shiki No Uta while browsing

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>Hey kids!, We're gonna check in at New Games Workshop HQ to check out some of the new rules for Tau today!
>As you know, auxiliaries are pretty boring, so we've decided to abolish them entirely, so that we can focus more on battlesuits!
>First up, is the Riptide. As you all know, the Riptide is a bit underpowered in the current edition, so we've decided to move it to the troop slot. We think this should help make it a more viable and balanced choice.
>Also, with the dawn of the Indominatus Crusade, Girlyman has decided to join forces with all Xenos (without the icky ones, like Tyranids or Orks, of course)!
>This means you can now field your new Primaris Marines alongside your Tau Allies!
>Jeepers, this all sound really sweet, I can't wait for eigth edition to come!
>Well kids, thats all for now! We'll be back tomorrow to tell you about the great new changes we've been making to iconic Eldar Jetbike (Here's a hint: Twin-Linked Scatter Lasers!!!). Also, we'll be having a closer look at Girlymans relationship with our favourite eldar in the galaxy, Yvraine! See you guys then!

>>53254599
Tacticals have gorget piece.

This is obviously a plan to replace the current Marine models over a long period of time. These are Tacticals, then we'll get Assault, then Devestators, then Terminators, then Dreadnoughts. Then by this time every normal Marine will be dead in fluff, or reduced to scattered bands or far flung Chapters.

The Chapters won't replace with new Marines, they'll replace with Primaris Marines. This ultimately results in Primaris Marines are the normal guys.

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>>53254016

Well, they did make the Orkanauts better in an unusual way.

No telling what they have in store for the rest of the faction.

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>>53254589
>the fluff of splinter racks is that the unlimited, easily accessed ammo allows warriors to rapidly unload their guns at no cost
>given twin-linked rules because it's effectily the same in increasing shot output
>not allowing them to have more shots

>>53254380
>They oppress their own people.
that's the planetary governor, the admisistratum doesn't care for how a planet is governed as long as the thithe is payed and you have many different forms of government in the imperium.
>Hell there's an entire religion that is phony and exists to stagnate mankind.
either you're talking about the omissiah, or the imperial creed, in both cases you are wrong
The imperial creed is rumored to empower the emperor and miracles happen to the faithfull, sure you might argue that the emperor was always that strong and just has that intristic power without everyone believing in him, but that doesn't make the religion phony as it still has very real and observable effects.
Now the omissiah is a diffrent nut to crack , the machine spirit of vehicles is pretty much confirmed to exists,maybe it's just a diffrent form of ai , but then why aren't they getting corrupted? the rites work, one might argue that the rites are simply an elaborate way of coding and i couldn't disprove that, but that doesn't make the religion phony, instead it actually works and as far as the mechanicus is aware , it's the only thing that gets them working, making it a necessity.

now if you're one of the memelords that thinks the mechanicus hates inventions and thinks it's heresy , i present to you : nu-marines, freshly invented. sure the mechanicus at large is mostly busy recovering daot tech and they have every right to focus on that because so much has been lost from that time and it would take ages to reinvent , whereas it might be reverse engineered much faster.
>but then why is the mechanicus holding back tech etc ?
because they are quasi independent dickweeds

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>>53254171
>mfw the new Primarines are the same cost as normal marines, but have higher T, 2W, Artificer Armour, and a better gun
Ha ha ha ha ha fuck poorfags amrite?

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>>53254691
The Sergeants do. For example, this guy doesn't.

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>>53254698
>which one are you?

>>53254752
Their boltguns are better too

>>53254736
They literally said they cost more. Don't you fucks read?

>>53254729
>Biomassed.com

>>53253149
Not a good damned thing as I wanted new steel legion plastic models. When ever they make those let me know.

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>>53254729
This meme needs to die.

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>>53254704
>>53254589
Just going to put this out there. Use of Splinter Racks is quite literally the act of increasing your number of shots. Trying to keep that as a reroll in face of the twin-linked changes is mental.

>>53254551
Overwhelming firepower
Ability to concentrate that firepower where needed thanks to long range
Ability to avoid any situation where they can't use that firepower

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>>53254752
keep crying europoor

>>53254587
Sounds like you are just upset you do not have gloriousoru honor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjqTGp12g8M

>>53254749
S'cause the MK VIII is a newer variant only produced in quantities to equip sergeants and veterans.

>>53254770
Interestingly, Steel Legion are a subfaction in Shadow War for Imperial Guard. This suggests, possibly, there will be new Steel Legion models, possibly, for Warzone: Armageddon.

>>53254752
Where is it?
Neither the article nor faq gave statlines.

>>53254776
report, hide, don't feed.

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>>53254328
>Riptides particularly–often seen in the Riptide Wing formation–are a common sight.
Ctrl F
"Kroot"
>phrase not found
"Allies"
>phrase not found
"Auxiliaries"
>phrase not found

So this... is the power... of new games workshop.

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>>53254802
>and Veterans

????

>>53254828
They said they worked closely with tournament runners on this edition

What do tournament tau lists consist of?

>>53254698
>summer 2017
>go to the local geedubs with my fluffy 2k imperium list
>some kid challenges me
>whatever sure wile i wait for my friends to come
>sets up 3 unpainted "nobz in a naut" usning the boz in a naut special force organisation chart
>he uses his cp to seize the initiative
>focusses my tanks and 3 more run away in battleshock thanks to the nobz in a naut special rule
>my lasguns can only do so much against his t8
>get tabled turn 3
>look up his lists later and he was 100 points over 2k

>>53254719
The problem is not that there is a religion around the Emperor, the problem is that the institution behind it is manipulative and self-serving.
The setting is sold as the Imperium being the bloodiest regime in the history of Mankind. The Emperor is reduced to a corpse, it's the darkest moment for mankind.

Hell, Roboute Girlyman speeches ever since he came back are all about how the Imperium fucking sucks.

My point was always that the Imperium aren't "the good guys of the setting" because it's a fucked up regime for the most part and the setting presents itself that way.

>>53254752
And 2A and a better gun.

>>53254806
Kek.

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>>53254806
>>53254729
That bitch's face looks so fucking retarded, I hope she dies.

And why would the put a monkey in a tabletop commercial-
....actually, that's pretty clever, it's like saying: "our game is so simple, even a fucking monkey could learn how to play"

Clever move GW, clever move.

>>53254833
3 effective attacks in melee is pretty nice.

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>>53254565
>naw brah, I'ma moonwalk away from yah with mah crisis suits
>you gonna kill me in cc before I get away, Naw, brah, I got me some of them sweet drones with saviour protocols, have fun with those, brah
>surf the wave brah, can you feel my groove yet, brah?

>>53254855
So... wait.

Perhaps this means auxiliaries will get a MASSIVE buff because tourny fags have never seen them and assume they're pure shit and try to 'balance' them accordingly?

>>53254828
Duh. Kroot are being merged into a new Tau Auxiliaries codex. I shit you not. They're bringing the Demiurg back as well.

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>>53254856
>same cost as normal marines, while having better stats & guns

GET FUCKED POORFAGS

>>53254828
The first paragraph is talking about 7th.

So what has happened to blasts now?

>>53254856
To be fair, their community homepage is a mess when it come to articles, only 2 are linked one the fontpage, few of them link to one another.

How many more space marine armies will we see for sale on ebay?

>>53254921
Power =! Points. You stupid nignog. Also take a picture of your reaction folder, I wanna see how many till you run out.

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>>53254903
Dear god... the old memes were right.

>>53254937
Replaced with D6 attacks, judging by the battle cannon and frag-grenade rules

>>53254921
A bit more expensive. 5 Tacs are only 5 "power points" to give a rough comparison. If you translate directly it ends up with Tacs at 13 points and Primaris at 16 points.

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>>53254869
>it's like saying: "our game is so simple, even a fucking monkey could learn how to play"

well played anon

>>53254937
D-X hits.

>>53254268
plot twist:
in the 10 thousands years they've been in the vat they have been brainwashed with the experience of people of have fought and died

they are both theoretically and practically older and more experienced than the 99 percent of all living marines

>>53254921
>Of course, all this comes at a price. Intercessors cost a fair few more points than a Tactical Marine
???

>>53254352
I served for the Lebanese army, we were in Syria to help but we didn't much for humanity

>>53254958
Even then, a tac squad is 5 points, inter squad is 6 points like Rubrics.

>>53254921
>"Of course, all this comes at a price. Intercessors cost a fair few more points than a Tactical Marine"

>>53254937
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/10/new-warhammer-40000-weapons-part-2-may10gw-homepage-post-4/

>>53254961
>>53254969

>Replaced with D6 attacks

So large and small are no longer a thing or relevant?

That also means all Titan level weapons suck now doesn't it?

>>53254956
Lots I hope, I wanna grab some cheap ones. Any idiot who sells their army is retarded.

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>>53254958
>>53254962
>being this assblasted about primarines being just straight up better than your manlets

kek fuckbois better prepare your wallets

>>53253149
I'm gonna fluff it as my Iron Hands distrust them and often leave them without support. If they're so superior then why would they need backup?

>>53255003
While costing more than GK individually.

So what chapter is going to go renegade?

>>53254999
>So large and small are no longer a thing or relevant?
Uknown, only 2 examples so far.

>>53254999
Templates no longer exist in 40k, because arguments and autism about who and what was under complex was too much. Titan Weapons, we don't know, obviously.

>>53254999
8th Edition doesn't use templates or scatter die.

>>53254863
what became of the imperium fucking sucks
it was what humanity needed to survive , lead to a new golden age for mankind and can do so again.
The high lords of terra might be utter cunts but when it came to the defense of cadia the cadians where the good guys
good and bad are relative, sure when evilquisitor mc dastardlymoustache wants to genocide some harmless xenos or burn some hive worlders because they don't like getting murdered indiscriminatly they're the bad guys, but when it comes to the big picture , the fight against chaos, the survival of mankind, then the imperium are the good guys imo
especially now that rowbootay is back and we seem to be shifting to nobledark

>>53254999
Will likely be different depending on the weapon. battle cannons and frags just have the same for some reason

>>53254833
I just realized they can't go with bigger squads. The rubric sheet lists the costs for increasing squad size, but these guys don't have that. Just 5 dudes is definitely on the small side, even if they have two wounds each. They only get a 3+ save, and loads of weapons will be dealing d3 damage.

>>53255003
>assblasted
??
Just trying to get facts straight. I'm actually think of putting together an army with them. The models look great.

>>53255003
If you want to walk at the enemy and shoot bolter shots, yes, they pay by having no options.

>>53254557
>>talking shit before the other faction focus segments have come out...
The daemon focus didn't say anything about how they would be getting into melee more reliably or anything. Doubt the ork and tyranid ones will do anything other than say 'some stuff does loads of damage if it can get into melee' without explaining what the factors affecting how you get there are.
>>...especially when 8e's rules seem to favor melee armies over shoot-happy glass cannons like Tau
Like what? Cover is better if you've got 3+ armour and not facing serious AP and charge are effectively 1" longer. That's not much.

>>People can just use a command point to hit first instead, while Orks are going to have to use their command points to negate getting fistfucked by battleshock.
>Source on this statement? Because I think you're talking out your ass.
The stratagem article showed the command point use he's talking about. It's not entirely clear if orks will absolutely need to use CPs for that, but it looks really likely from what we've seen. The math on the new morale rules heavily favours very small units.

So, are Tau gonna be even more OP in 8th?

>>53253149

Kinda wanting to make a Crimson Fists army with lots of primaris with explanation of them being replenishment for Rynn's world losses.

>>53255057
>models look great
Finally I can get a 2+ save for shooting taken at my knees

>>53255057
>>53255062
>>53255024

It's bait.
The same gaslighter faggot that's been taking a runny dump over threads for the last week.

>>53255047
>what became of the imperium fucking sucks
Yes, I'm glad we agree. Emperor vision was a pure and good one, even if one might argue he was violent about it - But hey it's a violent galaxy full of demons, he acted in a way to protect and evolve mankind.

The drama of the setting lies with people trying to live this lofty dream in a horrible reality when it all went wrong.

>>53255042
>>53254999
they are gone
blast templates were on the list of things you could get a refund for

>>53254999
We've seen some weapons do D6 and some do D3. That's probably the basic equivalent.

>>53255071
Yes, everything is doomed, abandon all hope and sell your army cheap.

>>53255026
Confirmed in leaks awhile ago it's Dark Angels. Since every other one of the leaks the guy did turned out to be 90% true. The 'event' is it turns out that Luther was right, that he thought the Lion had turned to Chaos and fired on him and the reason The Lion went emo was because he had. The sword Cypher is carrying is The Lion's sword which he wants to present to the Emperor as proof that the Dark Angels went Chaos/Renegade. During Warzone: Fenris, The Changeling released a load of Fallen from The Rock.

>>53254695
Assault, devastators and dreadnoughts for the new marines are already coming. They mention them in the article.

>>53254999
>That also means all Titan level weapons suck now doesn't it?

Not at all. They'll just do a ton of hits/wounds and have very high S and AP as appropriate.

>>53255110
That would be weird, like do they even have the ability to miss? Have we heard anything about the scatter die?

>>53255089
Trying to out shitpost Carnac I guess.

>>53255145
All templates are gone. No need for scatter. What were blast weapons cause multiple hits. Read the article.

>>53255138
I know bro, that's why I said it. That's my point. It's actually a great way to do it. It's in universe, it doesn't invalidate your army and allows you to collect slowly.

>>53255136
I would have guessed Space Furries getting butthurt over Gillyman calling them out on disregarding the chapter rules and forcing numarines on them.

>>53255138
> and dreadnoughts
so some of the new marines have already been wounded enough in combat to be put into a dreadnought?

>>53255205
Or oldmarines benefit from modernised dreadnoughts.

>>53255071
Doubt it. Markerlights are far weaker. Tau overwatch should be much less formidable outside of any flamerspam. And that has its own limitations.

>>53254958
Power is just points with smaller numbers so they don't scare away the innumerate.

>>53253685

Human warrior or death knight

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>>53254977
>>53254994
>'fair few'
>literally 3 points

>>53255205
Genetic defects coming out of the vats with fucked up legs/arms

>>53255285
You miss out on special weapons, no grav 4 u

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>>53253149
>What are your plans for the Primaris Marines?
I only have one plan.

>>53255285
3 points adds up quick when you need 20+ of them.

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>>53255024
>>53255057
>>53255062
>>53255089
F U C K B O I S

Your tears are delicious.

>>53255285
I dont disagree anon but saying theres no difference when the article says there is clearly a point difference is wrong.

2 wounds might not be a real change from 1 if the rumors of TONS OF MULTIWOUND BULLSHIT is true,

>>53253980

>can buy starter set squad of 10 for $20 on eBay

>full sprue from the regular box like BaC

>>53255285
You have the points costs then?
Feel free to share.

>>53255285
Rumormonger said they cost more than Grey Knights.

>>53255054
You'd be a fool to field more than the minimum squad size with the new morale rules.

And that 3+ save can easily be boosted to 2+ with cover (easier to use in small squads).

Small squads also means filling your FOC more easily, resulting in more CP.

>but you can't get heavy weapons

Since the price for heavy weapons seems to have gone through the roof, doesn't seem to be much point in taking them.

>>53254385
>>updated them with loads of models
Last Ork model released was in 2014.

Orks still don't have a fucking plastic warboss that isn't a shitty snapfit from AoBR.

>>53255392
>doesn't seem to be much point in taking them
If bolters are causing 1 wound and vehicles are running around with 8-14 wounds then you better believe that heavy weapons are going to be worth it.

>>53255308
New marines are not just ethnically diverse, with representation of all genders and orientations but also include the differently abled!

>>53253261
Building some Tzaangors, can't decide what color to paint them.

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>>53254844
>????
He said "and Veterans"

>>53255363
It's a rough extrapolation from what we do know. 5 tactical marines are "Power Level" 5 and 13 points each. 5 Intercessors are "Power Level" 6. The naive calculation based on that puts Intercessors at 15.6 points each. So 16 points, 3 points more.

>>53255285
Where are the points?

>>53255254
It isn't. It's a way of doing different games. Literally explained in the FAQ's.

>>53255333
New Marines have basically confirmed that we're never getting Death Company Terminators.

>>53255339
Man I don't even play SM, I just think you're a fucking idiot.

>>53255452
And I literally linked veterans. Sanguinary Guard are Honour Guard equivs, not veterans.

Also, guy with axe on left has no gorget.

>>53255459
Wow, total bullshit, who could have guessed?

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>>53254844
Gorget, faulds, and ball jointed ankles.

>>53255459
If ya wanna be smug, bring more than guesswork and extrapolation to the table.

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>>53255489
>Also, guy with axe on left has no gorget.

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>>53255471
>we're never getting Death Company Terminators
While it's a sad thing to hear, I'm okay with deathier Death Company for now.
Still won't stop me from painting my termies in DC colors.

>>53255489
>Sanguinary Guard are Honour Guard equivs, not veterans.
Honor Guard are generally the most veteran of the veterans. You're moving the goal posts.

>Also, guy with axe on left has no gorget.
But that's wrong you double donut.
See pic related and >>53255537

Is nobody going to mention that grenades seem more powerful now?

D6 shots for the frag is equivalent to a large blast and krak now does D3 wounds, which is pretty great and they are no longer stuck with the near-useless AP 4. Only downside is they seem to have lost 2" range, but you can't scatter onto your own guys anymore.

Wonder if they can be used in melee as well as shooting?

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>>53254857
Bollocks. Everybody knows that lasguns are the only truth when it comes to killing nauts. And who brings tanks without a commisar pattern shadowsword to execute fleeing Lemons?

>>53255505
>>53255520
I'm not him. Just letting you know where he got it from. I've been careful to explain what I'm doing whenever I've mentioned it. See >>53254962

>>53255452
>literally linked the unit called Veterans
>HUR DUR NO THESE ONES LOL

Time to make some primaris Steel Confessors to hang out with Cawl

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>>53255489
Didn't say "every single veteran wears MK VIII"
Some honours fallen brothers by wearing older marks

Here's a guy form the same box as >>53254844
.

>>53255556
Grenade launcher is still shit compared to plasma. Wonder how many nades you can throw in melee.

>>53255556
I don't think so. The point of Krak Grenades in melee was the ability to try and glance lighter vehicles with it.

Now that everything can hurt everything else, that seems less needed.

Also, you're right that Frag Grenades seem quite nice. If you have a squad with flamers, tossing one of those in alongside them could help rack up a lot of extra hits.

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>>53255489
>>53255584
Oh look, a Blood Angel Veteran with a gorget. How strange.
He's the Sergeant of the Sternguard Veteran squad on GW's store btw.

>>53255556
My guess is it'll be like last ed, one guy in the squad can use them.

>>53255556
They're type "grenade". I suspect we're missing important info for how that works.

>>53255449
Having just done some for silver tower, my only recommendation is 'not blue'. Had a lot of trouble getting them to look good and fading between feathers, skin and beaks was terrible. I'd probably go with pink feathers and white-person skin or yellow skin and green or orange feathers if I was starting from scratch.

>>53255537
>>53255553
>>53255591
That wasn't me. Fuck sake this thread is full of shitposting. I thought he meant Veterans as in Sternguard VETERANS and so on. Either way, it's irrelevant to my point. My point was the nu-Marines have gorgets when currently tacticals don't. Furthermore BA gorgets are stylised. I assume what's going to happen is new Marines for each faction.

>>53255616
Might just be 'as assault, but only one per unit per turn'

>>53255605
>Grenade launcher is still shit compared to plasma
Depends on comparative cost.

>>53254633
I've been thinking one of the focal points this edition was Necrons.

Want to start so many armies.. Monolith heavy crons, death cult assassins with crusaders and henchmen, Skitarii infiltrator and secutarii..

>>53255612
And? What's your point? The guy right at the start said "Sergeants and Veterans have them" that guy is a veteran, he has them. Nothing surprising there. And anyway it isn't some retard circle gorget going around the entire model. It's minor.

>>53255605
Depends. If plasma only does 1 damage then grenade launcher will have its place.

Now imagine Leman Russ Excecutioner with plasma sponsons. 5d3 plasma shots.

>>53255605
Yeah, but currently they are a third of the price, and cant kill the poor guardsman/cultist/hybrid holding it.

>>53255673
>gets hot
>kills itself
>other 2 russes in the squad flee and die
woo, i'll stick to my 8 shot autocannon thanks

>>53255704
Is gets hot still a thing?

>>53255726
No idea. We haven't seen a plasma weapon statline yet.

>>53255726
to be fair, we have no idea. i presume so, but we shall see.

>>53255726
I'm sure it is, though the fact that vehicles have saves and tons of wounds now means it won't affect them as much

>>53255748
they might make it a hit using the weapon's profile, which'd be cool

>>53255704
>>53255726
Gets hot is still a thing but rumor has it its autohit on yourself. So guardsman will explode himself utterly but Leman Russ tanks the hit with only 22.22% chance to wound.

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>>53255635
>My point was the nu-Marines have gorgets when currently tacticals don't.
Hey look, a Blood Angel Tactical Sergeant with a gorget. How odd.

>Furthermore BA gorgets are stylised.
So you admit they have gorgets? What IS your point?

>I assume what's going to happen is new Marines for each faction.
Doubt it. Probably one generic box like the current Tactical Marine kit with MAYBE one or two chapter conversion kits out there. I doubt we're going to get something as different as the BA Tactical kit or the DA Veterans kit for numarines unless GW really expands them beyond what we've seen (no too much of a stretch with numarine dreadnought already confirmed).

numarine DC when?

>>53255664
>The guy right at the start said "Sergeants and Veterans have them" that guy is a veteran, he has them.
People were saying how BA vets and sergeants didn't get Mark VIII for some reason, even though evidence of both has been posted already.

>And anyway it isn't some retard circle gorget going around the entire model. It's minor.
Literally moving the goalposts.