EDH/Commander General

I made a simple hypergeometric probability calculator. I found an online calculator that helped me out a lot, but I got annoyed with having to go to the page so I made a commandline application. Actually figuring out the odds helped me understand deck construction better than anything else.

http://stattrek.com/online-calculator/hypergeometric.aspx
https://mega.nz/#!U2wEwZBT!kygBa4jdeT5rCESFmcMUcRwQPcMvp8hxncYPJFSUiPo

The zip includes the calculator, a readme, and the source code.

>>53252860
>What color combo could use a unique Commander and what would that Commander do?
Turns all noncreature permanents into creatures based on CMC (except lands become 1/1s)
Color maybe Simic

>>53252860
WR commander with lifegain from noncombat damage would be neat.
Like a legendary Tamoa or Soulfire Grand Master, but with a little bit of a punch.

>>53252860
BW: Puts target cards in graveyards into exile, and cards in exile into graveyard.

>>53252985
Stop that

>>53252860
>mono red has by far the most fun and interesting commanders
>mono red is also absolute shit in commander
It's not fair.

>>53252860
Black/Red could use another good general other than Grezno, maybe something that refunds you one mana when you cast a spell or something.

Red/White needs a land destruction focused general

>>53253026
J U S T P L A Y S T A X

Blue-Red needs their artifact commander. Most likely copying artifacts and providing a sacrifice effect for card draw / artifact recursion.

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Izzet coinflip general.

>>53252860
Im just gonna say what everyone is thinking but boros really, really needs a non-combat general. Seriously Wizards, do some research.

What is the most high iq deck possible in commander?

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>>53252860
Just make this a legend and we're good. Everything about it screams legend already anyway. I want a good Jeskai commander and Narset is not my thing.

I'm Working on an Esper control / value grind list. What's some spicy Esper tech. Commander is a toss between Oloro and Triplets.

>>53254258
Teachings is never really bad.
Zur's Wierding can be decent with the health buffer Oloro provides.

>>53254141
Is this thing the most value bear ever printed?

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>>53254431
Close but not quite.

>>53254480
Gaddock is cheating a little bit, because he doesn't have the traditional (colorless)(color) mana cost but other than that, yeah I can't argue.

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>>53253081
I have such wonderful things to show you.

>>53252464
A sideboard of 10 used to be the official ruling a couple of years ago when the rules were based around league play. You were supposed to sideboard in cards after everyone had announced which commanders they were playing. I guess they changed it when the default rules started to become more focused on a casual mindset.

Without pre-game sideboarding, wishes become modal spells with 10 different modes tailored for your own deck, which is so strong that practically every deck has to run at least one. It's a shame, because there's so much fun ultra-specific jank that is unplayable without wishes.

>>53254647
I guess. Soulfire and Gaddock have 2 different applications though, one enables broken shit and the other shuts down said shit.

>>53254431
Most efficient? Not even close. Scales best with huge mana in format like edh? Maybe.

>>53254795
Which one would be the most efficient?
2 CMC, 2 power, 2 toughness gets me 342 results on magiccards

>>53254842
Just searching rares and mythics is a good start for finding powerful dudes. But cmon, in real formats Soulfire is just a 2/2 lifelinker which dies to everything and at best gets extra 3 life off a bolt or something before it hits the bin.

>>53254842
Off the top of my head the most "value" abilities on bears are:
Fauna Shaman
Gaddock
Confidant (2/1, I know)
Leonin Arbiter/Mindcensor
Kataki

>>53255028
Roon

>>53255028
> I want to do flicker.dec
> I don't want to play Brago
???

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>>53255028
oops forgot to post an image, i know no one reads posts without images. plus the dead link will attract even more attention

I want to do flicker.dec that just shits out value, fun ETBs and is hard to kill with board wipes. Thoughts on commanders and colors? Can someone familiar with the archetype write an effortpost? I know about Roon but I was wondering if there were any other decent candidates (since Roon is kinda slow and squishy for what it does)

I'd actually like to do Jeskai flicker but the commanders in those colors suck at flicker

Also no Brago in the command zone though, thanks. I don't want to be "that" guy. I just want to abuse fun ETBs, like pic related

>>53255094
>what is Norrin?

>>53255104
Roon Karmic Hulk.dec

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>>53253390
>Vial Smasher
>Kydele

>Rampin' big
>Flippin' hard coins.
>Extra turns for days
>Goblin Bomb with Paradox Haze and Krark's Thumb.

Living the dream.

>>53255132
Hulk triggers on dying, not leaving the battlefield. You want Boonweaver.

>>53255130
In a color with little in the way of flicker support.

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If you guys had to build a deck solely around recurring Goblin Bomb and cheating it to 5 counters over and over again how would you do it? >>53255169


>Yes it's janky as fuck but it would feel great to Rings of Brighthearth a Goblin Bomb trigger for the ggz.

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>>53255169
>>53255456
Here you are again with that stupid shit card. It's as if nobody told you that edh is not a 20 life format for which that card was designed for. It's simply not worth going through all the hoops in 100 card singleton format for pinging 20 to face.

Try Aetherflux you dweeb, million times more abuseable and actually kills people.

>>53255530
But if my deck is good how can I complain about Spikes in the format?

>>53255530
>HOW DARE YOU TRY SOMETHING THAT ISN'T GAY AS FUCK? HOW DARE YOU NOT BE SPIKE LIKE MEEEEEEEEE

>>53254092
People aren't going to like hearing it, but Doomsday.

would it be worth it to buy 1000 random cards for $32?

>>53255714
>1 Jhoira of the Ghitu on top of 999 mountains.

>>53255714
>1000 storm crows
do it faggot

>>53253081
Jhoira, Ghitu Artificer 1UR

3UR: Create an x/x construct creature token where x is the number of artifacts you control

2/2

>>53255714
Rudy literally just did a video on why those are a scam.

Not that you need to watch it to know that.

>>53253026

Mono-red has way better and more interesting commanders than mono-black or mono-white.

Just out of my mind I can name Daretti, Krenko, Purphoros, Zada and Feldon.

Mono-red is shit but it's commanders compensate for it. That's why playing Boros is a way more miserable experience than playing just Red, because the commanders aren't good.

>>53255780
>Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, return an artifact creature with power 4 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.

>>53255801
i haven't seen the video but does it go like this

>1000 cards that have so little value (common trash) that selling them individually would not be anywhere near profitable
>however, when dumped into a big package with each other, you can sell "literally 1000 cards!!!" in a 32 dollar package, effectually turning 1000 cards with no real value into 32 dollars
>the guy who buys the cards can't do anything with them because they're common trash, except for maybe sell them himself in a similar package

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>>53254431
>>53254647
If you're defining bear by cost and not by body...

>>53255811
Kreno is generic tribe shit
Purphuros is Goblins in disguise.

Zada, Daretti, and Feldin (bootleg black reanimator) I will give you

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>>53252860
>Thread question
I want a commander that turns creatures into noncreature permanents, in kind of a same way as Soul Sculptor.

>>53255872
I use Akroma, Angel of Fury as my red commander, sometimes she is hard to get out but the morph does help if i think i can risk it

>>53255860
Nah, all other bears by cost are more valuable than a beater.

I used to think that land destruction had no place in casual EDH... But now I realize I had a warped view of casual EDH. I used to think that cards like Sheoldred, Jitte, Ulamog, a few God enchantment creatures, etc all had no place in casual EDH.
Nowadays I realize that these things are fine for casual EDH, but with that realization I've also realized that Land Destruction should be fine as well. The truth is that if someone is playing mono red they not only can't take care of powerful enchantments but they have very few ways to take out creatures with over 7 toughness or indestructible creatures. So are you going to tell me that they should either A) get very lucky or B) willingly lose the game because they have no options?
No, neither of those choices are acceptable. The truth is that land destruction is the most powerful tool in Red's arsenal, not using it puts mono red players at a supreme disadvantage. If you feel like you're allowed to use supremely strong creatures "because they can be removed" or supremely strong enchantments "because they can be removed" then I feel that I'm allowed to use supremely strong land destruction "because you can run mana rocks".
And just as you say "Well you should run more removal!" I say "Well you should run more mana rocks!" and then you can say "Well I do but they aren't in my hand right now!" and I reply WITH THE EXACT SAME SENTIMENT towards removal.
So at the end of the day I say this; If the point of casual edh is still to win, which it obviously is if you're running $20 powerful praetors, then I'm going to do what I can to win, which is to keep you from being able to play those praetors.

>>53252860
>Thread Question
A WR commander that doesn't deal with combat tricks. Maybe one that utilizes ETB effects and token making, which both do.

>>53255965
Partner ETB guy.

>>53256056
Bruse has an ETB effect, but it just makes something better in combat.

>>53255958
A 4/5 body with an anthem (even an uncommonly utilized anthem) for 1G is amazing.

>>53255965
>>53256095
If you're okay with adding green to the mix Hazezon Tamar has an ETB token effect.

>>53255860
Why would you post Advocate over Tarmogoyf?

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>>53255801
>unironically watching Alpha Investments

He seems like a scammer anyways so who better to learn from

>>53255961
The only sensible definition for casual EDH is simply "not high tier".

>>53255530
>Fun? In my fucking format?

Please stop with the obvious bait.

>>53256285
>unironically hating on Rudy

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>>53256262
because Tarmogoyf is just a 0/1, anon

>>53256364
I dont hate him. I just think he's a jackass who has some cringey videos that feel like I'm watching desolater magic

>>53256397
Speaking of which, how do I forsake my love of Sun Titans and start running Rest In Peace in all my Wx decks?

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>>53256397
And Advocate is just a 2/3.

>>53255714
protip: they're actually "random" cards

>>53256503
I'll take my 2/3 with vigilance on an empty board, sure

Hi I'm new to magic. Anybody have any tips new players should know?
So far I bought the Mind vs Might duel decks and 2 booster packs of Amonkhet. I also heard not to buy boosters. What are the best products to buy?

>>53256527
Never listen to advice here, /tg/ doesn't know how to play magic.

>>53256527
Commander's a format for people who've memorized thousands of cards and want to mash together something terribly silly out of them. I'd recommend going to a standard or modern thread.
As for to buy, it depends on the format you'd like to play. For Commander, which pulls from all formats, the only way to get cards is to purchase them select.

>>53254092
Stax is tougher to pilot than doomsday, storm is pretty close too.

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I got a deckbuilding challenge for you, /edh/. Choose a commander. Any commander, preferably a powerful one. Got it? Alright.
The first 11 cards in your deck must also be from the set your Commander was in. If it has several reprints, you can choose the set.
The next 22 cards must have been originally released in the same year your commander was also originally released.
The next 33 cards must be from sets released a year before or after the initial printing of your commander and cannot be rare or mythic rare.
The last 33 cards can be from any set or year, but must have been reprinted at least once.

>>53256680
Sounds really dumb

>>53255094
It's pretty reasonable, there's not enough cool dudes to flicker in WU so the only wincon with Brago is to be an asshole with Strionic Resonator and rocks

>>53256680
That sounds cool, but autistic. Have you tried this yourself?

>>53255169
>Win 5 50/50's
>In a row
Fuck me.

>>53256527
>tips new players should know?
The object of the game is to defeat your opponent. Do not let delusions of honor cloud your judgement. Strike swiftly and decisively. Ill be waiting for you at the top of the mountain.

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>>53255780
Jhoira as the first UR artificer would be rad, there's even precedent for it.

>>53255169
I wanted to build coin flip tribal (maybe with zada) but 90% of coin flip cards are just unplayable, not even jank, just trash

>>53256935
That's a cute bugger.

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Did the mailman bring you anything today /edhg/?

>>53256680
too much effort, no thanks

>>53254033
White weenie, unironically. Beating 3 people through combat with 3-4/Xs through removal, counters and combos is the the most difficult task you'll experience.

>>53257160
Today or tomorrow I'll be getting my budget casual Roon enchantress deck to play all of the enchantments I like but can't find homes for.

>>53256680
>AUTISM
>U
>T
>I
>S
>M

>>53252940
Go upload this to reddit or something, it only loosely belongs here and I'm fairly certain nobody is really looking to download a random anon's "calculator" on a whim.

>>53254033
It can still be combat, just make it interesting.

>2RW Jew King
>Legendary Creature - Irsaeli Lord
>2/4
>At the beginning of combat on your turn, creature your opponents control lose all abilities and cannot have or gain abilities until end of turn. Each opponent may choose to ignore this effect until end of turn. Draw a card for each that does so.

>>53257586
>(((Jew))) card
>not a tax effect

>>53257656
the tax is letting you draw a card in exchange for not being stripped bare

>>53257586
what a mess of a card

>>53257780
pls no bully,is orignal donut steel

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Anyone know good equipment commander deck can I study?

Hey, /EDHG/, I'm thinking about putting together a Brothers Yamazaki/Brothers Yamazaki partner deck. I talked about it with my playgroup and nobody had any issues with it given that the Bros aren't really that strong anyways.

So my only question is: how should I build it? What should I include?

>>53257941
Create a narrative with your card choices. Have the Brothers band together with their other Samurai buddies to take on their Rogue Sensei Godo

>>53257939
Gahiji or Uril. G solves some of RW's problems, but you still have access to Stoneforge Mystic and Sunforger, and both commanders encourage attacking.

>ran under a prossh deck and locked him out with a magus of the moon, a t1 serra ascendant and my aether membrane
Who said boros sucked?

>>53257941
Just add every single flavorful card you can find and don't give a shit about anything else, because it'll be janky regardless

>>53258014
>>53258125

I like the way you two think.

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What are some spicy cards fit for a Queen?

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>>53255860
A challenger approaches

>>53258250
No Mercy. Execute those who would dare try to steal the crown.

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>>53258250
And here's the pic.

can I get some suggestions on my Daretti list /tg/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/15-05-17-daretti-scrap-savant/

>>53258250
Delaying Shield, of course. Only you can decide when you take damage.

>>53257939
Not sure what you mean by study but equipment voltron is not a dominant strategy.

>>53258250
>SOLITARY CONFINEMENT
>O
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>I
>T
>A
>R
>Y

>C
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>>53258664
probably a deck list to draw inspiration

>>53257939
Red and White are the colors of equipment. Sadly Boros has a hard time lasting into late game without heavily relying on powerful artifacts (expen$ive) or very niche cards (Sram/Puresteel/ Quicksmith/Mentor of the Meek)for draw-power.

>>53258250
Lightmine Field

>>53258435
nice. My two immediate suggestions would be Quicksmith Genius & Skullclamp

Sell me on a mono black commander that isn't zombies. I want to make a black deck but can't decide who to make the general.

>>53258877
Greel, Mind Raker

Necrogen Mists, Bottomless Pit, Oppression, Painful Quandary, Mind Slash, Attrition, Megrem/Caress


make everyone hate you

>>53258877
G O N T I
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T
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Like Jeleva, but not autistic.

>>53258864
>>53258435
Smuggler's Copter & Staff of Nin offer more draw/loot if that's something you find yourself needing

Some of the red MLD is also a possibility

>>53258961
i used to play some mld but it made my playgroup to missed with me an no one wanted to play with me because of it

>>53258877
Horobi, Death's Wail, or Bontu.

>>53258920
I'll check it out, I do like the sound of it.

>>53258934
I've been eyeing him but I'm not sure if it would be good, do you have experience with him? If so how playable is he and what's some cool stuff to throw in?

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Building this Commander. Any spicy spirits? Anything that makes his ability decent?

>>53258877
Horobi Deaths Wail, or Shireis Caretaker

>>53259010
I don't play him personally, but my friend's got him. I'll see about getting the list.

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>>53259050

>>53259094
Wooh him with a high cost red spirit like the Myojin just instant speed Commander win possibly

>>53259050
I think that card is a trap for a few reasons
1) Red Spirits kind of suck. Most red spirits are from Kamigawa block which was generally overcost and underpowered.
2) The RAW is "spell's converted manacost" which means you have to be directly equal to, which is too large of a variance for commander imo.

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>>53259238
I know hes really really bad like extremely bad but Commanders about having fun and I love his art. I guess ill show my other considerations for Commander though.

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>>53259238
Or

>>53258877
Volrath, the Fallen. Become One Punch Man by discarding high cost creatures and dealing 30 commander damage at a time.

>>53257508
Well, you could compile the provided source code if you were really concerned. And the other site I linked does the same thing.

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>friend says he has a new guy for the playgroup
>he just built brago
good thing I'm a degenerate prossh

>>53259206
nobody suspects the naked Kalemne swinging on turn 5 to be lethal

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>>53259206
>>53259591

>>53255530
But aetherflux also kills you :P

>>53259547
>Brago
>anything but degenerate glass cannon lockdown
I said the same thing to a new playgroup. Then I dropped Linvala, nevermore and started flickering exclusion ritual. You do not know salt until you exile a blightsteel.

>>53259050
Don't listen to the naysayers, this card is dank.
Sac outlets are important, obviously. I'd play it as a sorta political deck with stax elements, since your commander, with a bit of work, turns all your spells into removal. Cyclops of eternal fury and other mass haste cards are also good.

>>53259831
>stax
>mass haste
>doesn't mention Urabrask
But we know what you meant.

>>53256935
They would probably never do it though since she is an old school character.

It is more likely to appear as a trashy commander in a Standard set or some izzet shit in a commander product.

Seriously enough of the Ravnica commanders in commander products

And she just got new art and a reprint in that duel deck.

>>53259693
huh? I agree, i fucking hate brago

>>53260042
Why? Kill him two or three times and watch as the player over extends desperate to cast his frail commander.

>>53260118
>if you just beat him, it's easy to win

>>53259984
Never say never, Teferi and Freyalise got new versions in C14 and they're from the same era

>>53260131
>he doesn't run removal
Bitch please, unless he's hexproof and indestructible, wrath him or use spot removal. You can even counter him, or fog him, or bounce him. Outside of boots he won't have haste, just don't let him flicker phyrexian ingester or palace jailer.

>>53260191
Oh man, I can't fucking stand people like you.
>WHY DONT YOU HAVE THE ANSWER IN YOUR HAND AT ALL TIMES BRO
I'd watch you shuffle, you cock sniffer.

>>53260218
Sure? It's not Uril, it a t2 reanimator deck. He needs to attack AND do damage to a player otherwise nothing happens. He often comes out a turn before swinging, while requiring significant counter support to survive anything. And don't give me the old "what if he doesn't build around his commander" garbage, it only gets degenerate when he starts flickering and you know it.

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>>53252860
Red is definitely broken. I am greatly enjoying Glorious End in my Ashling deck. It lives up to the name.

Deck Links: http://tappedout.net/users/Junk_Heap/deck-folders/

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I just bought some cards to go play magic with some friends. I barely know anything about it.

How rare exactly is this one, cause my friend was kinda freaking out.

>>53260656
It's like $90 American or $120 Canadian. A very rare card that's generally in demand and pretty neat, treat it nicely or sell it to someone who would for like 60 bucks.

>>53260656
Roughly this rare.
shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/masterpiece-series-kaladesh-inventions/sword-of-light-and-shadow

>>53260656
ayy grill show me that dick

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So I was a fucking retard and only uploaded a partially completed meren deck but have now added the missing pieces of what I have, let me know what I should drop and for what, its budget for at least until friday when I get paid don't recommend any lands

>>53260991
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/altered-beasts/

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>>53261003
QUIT STEALIN ALL THE POWUH UPS

>>53260153
C14 was the exception. Look at 2016 and 2015. We had one throw back character in each set while everything was filled with Ravnica, any post Lorwyn blocks, or some random shit.

The reaction to Ludevic has made them wary of ever making cards for established characters again and almost no one gave a fuck about Sidar Kondo since he was put in the shitty partner commander slot.

Additionally they are sticking with post Lorwyn sets for inspiration for commanders. Look at all of the Khans and Theros characters in C16. They probably have "market research" that says players only like characters from new sets.

One kamigawa character was a miracle. Lorwyn had a couple cards in 2014 but zero new commanders in the commander products.

2018 will probably be filled with Kaladesh and Amonkhet.

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>>53261057

>>53260991
>>53261003
-Burnished Hart
Better alternatives in green like Yavimaya Elder
-Gonti
Not bad, but not particularly good either
-Treasure Keeper
Value train, but relias on having a sac outlet
-Verdant Confluence
The red and blue ones are the only ones really playable in my opinion. Meren provides the recursion, the +1/+1 counters aren't that great at sorcery speed and I think most of your ramp should be recurrable creatures
-Noosegraf Mob
Grave Titan is a better alternative
-Decimator of Prov.
Get a Craterhoof if you can, otherwise this will do for now
-Brood Monitor
this is just another token generator, not bad but there are prob better things you can be doing. Still good for being 3 experience counters on demand
+Birthing Pod
+Craterhoof
+Life from the Loam
+Natural Order
+Yavimaya Elder
+Jarad's Orders
+Sporefrog
+Fauna Shaman
+Kessig Cagebreakers

Phyrexian Tower
Volrath's Stronghold
Yavimaya Hollow
Urborg Coffers
I tried

Not a Meren player, but my thoughts

>>53261411
Thanks

>>53257029
>Flip a coin
>If you lose the flip, you're gay, if you win the flip give yourself a high-five, faggot.

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How to keep your Johnny deck Johnny enough while making it Spikey enough to actually have a purpose of fucking playing at the table in the first place?

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post unbelievably flavorful cards

>>53261527
By having expensive, powerful cards that elevate your Johnny deck's speed and consistency to the next level.

My favorite deck is my Grixis Control, it has no infinite combos or lockdowns but with no expenses spared in the tutor/board wipe/mana rock department the deck can be outrageously fast off the ground and deadly.

>>53261639
>card doesn't have a ETB effect and doesn't have a quip or planeswalker talking.

0/10

>>53261639
This cards almost good, almost.

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>>53261639

>>53261764
>friend builds this as commander
>packs as many fucking annoying b/w cards as he can
fuck

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>>53261639

I really want to see Devour again

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>>53261639
The original card is good but the promo is god-tier. It just needed a good quote. to be the best of all time.

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>>53261639

>>53259528
I passed judgment on a surface level, sorry. Didn't realize you'd included the source. I still stand by my initial statement.

>>53261926
Oh shit, I need that for my Mazirek deck

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any recommendations to throw in my zedruu deck? preferably something a bit older and isn't well known

>>53262002

If you want help you should post a tappedout.

>>53257160
Actually yes, a huge chunk of my awful mono black zombie list. I was hoping it would come in before Wednesday, I play that night.

>>53261776
Yea just finished my deck
One of my favorite underrated commanders

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>>53258737
Did you mean Quicksmith?

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>>53261639
Obligatory.

>>53262212
yeah, the reminder text works as flavor text

>>53255965
Find a way to break this ability:
T: Exile any number of target non-Soldier creatures you control. Create that many 1/1 white and red Soldier creature tokens.

>>53255965
stoutarm doesn't do combat, he just flings things

Making a zedruu deck. What combos/cards are decent besides bombshell/dragon?

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>>53261639

>>53262312
ETB effects, like impact tremors, soul sisters and Purphoros. Is there any cards that specifically benefit soldiers?

>>53262072
I don't really have a definite list together yet but I was wondering if anyone had any personal favorites for her

>>53262312
Anointed Procession/Parallel Lives. Should've made it non-token creatures.

>>53262002
Illusions of grandeur. You get the life and they get he cost

>>53262471
What does it matter? As worded, you can't sac a soldier token to make another.

>>53262499
Plenty of other token generator effects in white and red that don't make soldiers.

>>53262471
>Should've made it non-token creatures.

It's a flavor thing. The hypothetical commander it's attached to is taking random riffraff and training them into orderly soldiers.

>>53262527
Well that'd be the fun of it. Non-soldier keeps it from being infinite on itself, so it's fine, right?

>>53262551
I like the idea. Flavor/10

>>53262443
Purph/Impact with Mogg Infestation to triple down on etb effects, but that's still a janky 3 card combo.
Ego Erasure would also let you sac all of the tokens again if I understand correctly.
Conspiracy overrides other types, allowing you to go infinite

>>53262684
This is killing me this isn't a real commander. Who could command such a deck? I ran Norin soul sisters in modern and I want it back in edh form. Maybe Alesha?

>>53262551
What about it bounces them and they come back as soldiers in addition to all other types
Then it has an anthem for all soldiers vigilance or something

>>53262710
Probably Alesha, bringing back token generators like Mogg War Marshal and even stuff like Doomed Traveler is probably worth it. Spirit Bonds would be value as well

>>53262773
Jesus yes I've wanted to build Alesha for all eternity it seems. Just never felt like the time.

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>>53262791
don't forget this bad boy

>>53262829
Oh wow. That's insane. I like how he must attack alone, like he steps up and everyone else falls quiet and steps back.

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>>53262312
Made me think of this

>>53262862
I don't think I understand the flavor of this at all.

>>53262854
in case you missed it, when alesha reanimates him tapped and attacking, they can both be attacking at the same time. with her help he can instakill someone from the graveyeard

>>53262829
raving dead is also pretty degenerate

>>53262888
not nearly as much so, but that's still pretty good

alesha can also run trash commons like ponyback brigade

>>53262888
I feel Alesha gets down with sorts of "degeneracy", I'm into that. I have most of what I'd need for this deck, I should throw it together right now.

>>53262934
you can definitely run her as a cool soul sisters token deck. just make sure you're playing enough sac outlets. goblin bombardment, sadistic hypnotist, viscera seer, etc.

>>53262956
Those are the things I'll need to order. I have so much jank, doomed travelers, all the sisters, ponyback, the echo goblin, but nothing of real value like ashnod's altar or something.

>>53262956
I prefer discard outlets for Alesha tormenting voice, cathartic reunion, ect.
Recently found out about zombie infestation and cannot recommend it enough

>>53262878
They fly in, rescue your troops and deploy reinforcements I guess

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do you think exert will be coming back in later sets? the name is generic enough like "prowess" that it might return.

i would love to make this a deck but 18 exert creatures isn't enough.

>>53262994
you gotta use both. sac outlets are INCREDIBLE for alesha, they allow you to generate so much value out of your cards like sad robot and siege-gang commander

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>>53262829
Add this and have fun

>>53263036
Very nice, I have that too. Alesha Sisters, it's my foil Marsh Flitters time to shine

>>53263007
17* my bad

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>>53252977
Gonna have to settle for Brion and his dick sucking lips.

>>53261003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0yNCQAHLAU&t=390s

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>>53263268
that game is fucken rad

>>53262766
I feel like that might be too easy to abuse with good ETBs

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>>53261639
>"A single dedicated mind can bring about the greatest destruction. That, or goblins—goblins work too."

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>>53261639

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How do you feel about the prerelease promo stamp when you're getting foils?

>>53263633

Why would I buy cards where the only differences are that they are more expensive and look terrible?

>>53263633
what the fuck, your merchant doesn't explicitly state when a card is a prerelease foil or a normal foil?

>>53263659
older prerelease cards were way nicer. these newer ones suck. glissa and vexing shusher, for example, are pretty sweet promos.

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>>53263659
>look terrible

>>53255530
At least he's not a humongous faggot.

>>53263692
I recently saw a foil vexing shusher in person, and my god was it pretty.

>>53263659
Prerelease cards are cheaper though, not more expensive.

Or are you talking shit about foils in general? Because that's just wrong.

>>53256285
He's not a scammer. You're just intimidated by people who are unabashedly successful and confident.

>>53263007
it will definitely be back in HoD, so that shoul mean 5 more exert cards in those colors at the very least

>>53259050
Damn, that would be playable if it specified equal or less than the cmc of the spirit being cast.

As it it, it will be a struggle but certainly doable. It's just going to be hard finding a heap of spirits in red.

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What's the worst foil you own?
On pic related everything is foiled except for the meteor and the guy being crushed. So it ends up not even looking foiled, except for the borders.

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>>53263833
tubby malfegor promo

>>53263690
I mean how do you feel about choosing between stamped or non-stamped? Does it matter a whole lot to you? Do you just go with the one that's cheaper? That kind of thing.

>>53263849
holy shit that's hideous

>>53263908
Stamp is tacky and ugly unless it's on your birthday

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>>53263908
for me it doesn't matter
I only buy foils for cheap cards anyway, and only if there's barely any difference in price
I do like it when they change up the art for the prerelease though, like they did for pic related

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>>53263944
it's okay, this makes a fine substitute commander for my malfegor deck

>>53263908
the stamped foils are always worse than regular foils

>>53263908
>>53263950
>>53263997
What if you pulled them yourself, at the prerelease?

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>>53263981
and the regular endbringer art
I actually prefer the former, in this case

>>53263180
Think making a budget deck with him and a bunch of cheap creatures with self pump then just fling them at foes?

>>53264014
I once made one with all the "gain control of target creature until end of turn cards in red"
it was really, really bad

>>53264005
Birthday or bust

>>53264035
it can be fun in 1v1, especially if you include cards like phyrexian dreadnought and leveler as big finishers.

Alright guys, how bad is it? I'm running Cruise and Dig so the mana curve is pretty ugly but I'm playing a bunch of artifact ramp and it's been working so far.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/09-05-17-silas-renn-edh/

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>>53264035
darn, still seems fun though

Then again i play Jelvala with shit like Omen Machine and scrambleverse for shits and giggles just to mess up "Competative EDH players"

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I'm building a silly meme deck with Talran Sky Summoner
I'm currently at 32 counter spells (will be 33 when my Pact of Negation arrives)

any other old Blue cards to just fuck with people, i feel like this could be abusable

>>53264114
double down on the meme. no win condition. blind seer as general.

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>>53264148
thats perfect.
was thinking of polymorphing or using this thing to transform drakes into silly huge creatures like Guile and StormTide Leviathan

>>53263950
>tfw birthday in november so no prerelease stamp will ever have my birthday

>>53263734
Believe it or not, some prelease foils are more expensive than the normal foils

>>53264182
if you don't put any creatures in your deck you literally just stack your deck with it though, arguably better than a polymorph but a couple big dumb creatures could be fun.

>>53264182
>creatureless Melek
>polymorph Melek with staff
>win

>>53264605
The newer ones where the only difference is the stamp, or just the old ones where they have different art?

>>53264632
Newer ones mostly, since the old ones were given away at preleases and they weren't random if I recall, so they're much more common.

>>53264632
The old prerelease foils are usually much cheaper because so many of them were printed. Almost comparable to the nonfoil prints.

That said, the new prerelease foils are also cheaper than normal foils. Although not by a huge margin, so fluctuations can cause one to rise above the other.

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Speaking of which, why is freyalise so expensive in paper. Here's the deck I'm working on at the moment

>>53264765
Why wouldn't Freyalise be expensive? Teferi is even more expensive, and even Ob Nixilis and Nahiri have respectable prices. Daretti got reprinted, or he'd be expensive too.

>>53264765
Because she's only available in a $35 deck that went out of print 2 years ago.

Is harrowing a wasteland degenerate?

>>53265314
Like, saccing Wasteland as the additional cost for Harrow? How would that be degenerate? Or what do you even mean?

>>53265368
harrowing into a wasteland, it was 1v1 but also turn 5

Any suggestion for my Atarka dragon tribal deck?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/big-fat-d/
Also i need to find a better name

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>>53265463
You're thinking of wrong card or you're Cheatyface.

>>53265549
Yeah sorry dude, it was crop rotation. was channeling with dark herbs that night and it clouded my memory.

>>53262002
Immortal coil, nefarious lich, forbidden crypt and demonic pact.

What's that, they're not in zedruu's color identity? That's because a true Zedruu deck actually runs child of alara as the commander and zedruu as the secret commander in the 99.

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>>53262212
I'd like to think that this one is in the same boat.

Have any of you ever used barren glory? What are the best ways to pull it off?

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Yet another " Why is this thing so expensive?!" post, because seriously.

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>>53263833
It barely reflects. Looks super dark and muddy due to the foiling layer. And it's got a severe case of foil bent going on despite being double-sleeved.

>>53266126
REPRINT WHEN WIZARDS?!?

>>53266126
It's basically the go-to bomb for Jarad.

>>53266126
Made the same question a few weeks ago, lack of reprints and being a non-shit rare is the main issue

>>53266126
because people are boring and like giant creatures for reasonable amounts of mana

>>53258737
I'm trying to find different ideas and deck lists to look at.

>playgroup houserules the Nephelim into Legendary creatures for the sake of commander
>One game with Ink-Treader
>Houseruling is immediately removed
We lost hard but fuck if it isn't hilarious to watch a guy cast Act of Treason, Snap, or any of the wisp cycle, and resolve 40+ instances of Fiery Gambit.

>>53267054
"what if one of the best monored commanders had access to more colors?"

>>53267054
>another group of retards stupid enough to allow someone to play Ink-Treader
The rest are fine, shame some faggot ruined it for everyone.

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>>53267054
>kicked Rite of Replication targeting everything

>>53267108
And also had a completely different ability.

>>53267131
>completely different
It's similar at worst, anon.
Ink Treader and Thraximundar have completely different abilities.

>>53267054
>house unban a commander
>play one game where you obviously don't try to disrupt it too much because you want to see what it can do
>goes off
>"wow so OP ban again"

Is your playgroup retarded? I hear about this shit all the time, and it makes no sense. My playgroup unbanned rofellos, erayo, and braids in the 99 a while ago. First we played a game where we didn't disrupt it much because we wanted to see what it could do, but afterwards we just played a normal game where we'd destroy the creatures in question and play around it and it wasn't strong at all. 1 game isn't a sample size, neither is 2,3 or 4.

>>53267150
They lend themselves to entirely different strategies.

>>53267170
you can still play ink-treader as a zada deck, you've just also got the option to nuke the board with swords to plowshares or draw a fuckerberg of cards off a wisp even if ink-treader is your only creature.

>>53261061
>2018 will probably be filled with Kaladesh and Amonkhet.
Oh god, please no

>>53261061
I'm surprised there wasn't a Mono Black Negronigger for the WE WUZ WIZARDS N SHIET audience wizards seem to think they have.

>>53265667
Lay off the reefer you goddamn hippy.

>>53261061
>>53267193
You guys mean 2017 right?

>>53267284
2017 will be tribal garbage so the next opportunity for interesting commanders is 2018

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>>53264114
>33 counterspells

>>53267295
the fact that wizards specified "popular tribes" is what's bumming me out. shit's gonna be zombies, elves, goblins, slivers.

>>53267295
By then it will be Ixalan and whatever comes after.

>>53267314
I'm be happy for anything as long as it isn't Humans. Just made humans tribal and don't want to see it everywhere

>>53267331
they could do something cool with a tribal theme, maybe make a commander that makes a previously shit tribe actually playable.

>>53267351
That is certainly not what will happen, with the exception of maybe dragons.

>>53267314
im hoping for scarecrow tribal

>>53267366
i agree. although, most of the established tribes already have exceptionally strong commanders to represent them, i don't know if they'd try to compete with something like krenko to make a goblin deck. who knows, maybe they'll surprise us.
>>53267367
the fact that reaper king already exists means this isn't very likely.

>>53267314
Popular tribes, really? Tribal decks themselves are already bad because there is always a dozen auto-include cards for every tribe. So they are building the deck for you. The popular tribes don't need any more of this.

>>53267411
to be fair though there are only like 5 or 6 tribes that are EDH playable (depending on whether you count azami as a wizard deck)

they might be bringing tribes that are popular outside of commander into EDH playability like soldiers or merfolk or somesuch

Redpill me on Zada, how does she win? Just going wide with coat of arms and pump spells? Purph?

Also, what are some good value instants and sorceries to play with her besides cantrips, and is zap worth it?

>>53252860
>play aleesha commander
>discard a master of cruelties
>cast my aleesha
>next turn, activate her ability into master of cruelties
>everyone on the table is shocked
>i kill one guy because he didn't have any blockers
>"are you sure you wanna do this? He will be dead"
>two turns later the rest scoops their cards
>one guy is super pissed, calls me beain dead shit

Why are people mad if you actually try to win in commander instead of circle jerking for hours?

>>53263387
I need this in my Wort, Boggart Auntie deck

>>53267511
yeah, you just described a zada deck. she wins through making a bunch of tokens and buffing them all, keeping your hand full with cantrips. she's not the most complex general.

>>53263833
8th Edition Grizzly Bears

I used to play it in my monoG timmystompy with pride when I just played casually with friends. Then some neckbeard played Astral Slide against me in a store and I was never the same.

>>53267532
You're good people.

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>>53267576
It loses more often than not but it's fun

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>>53267594
I sometimes run him in my Krenko deck.
Yanno, when I feel like tossing 30+ coins just to waste everyones time.

>>53267538
Any spice you know of?

>>53267678
otherworldly outburst is a cool response to a wrath, which is generally what kills a zada deck

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>>53267648
We just roll dice instead.

>>53255104
breya, etherium shaper with
deadeye navigator and eldrazi displacer

throw in an ashnods altar for pure value and start winning games any way you damn well please

>>53267522
These people misunderstand commander completely. They think that jerking each other off for 3 hours is what commander is about, but the official statement is that commander is about memorable and explosive games and plays.

Obviously you won't be able to make those plays if you can't kill anyone, so the game just ends up being a 3 hour snorefest where everyone who is about to make a good play pussies out because it would kill a player or wreck his board with no coming back.

There's nothing wrong with long games, but they should be long because you're equally matched, not because you want to prolong it artificially.

These are literal crawwurm metas.

>>53267522
There were three other players, they all saw you discarding master of cruelties, the guy you killed could have played a blocker and the others could have potentially helped him. Also they could have ganged up against you.
You did nothing wrong. Some people just like to create drama. The only solution is not to play with them.

>>53267522
do metas like this actually exist? i've played with people who do a lot of politics "don't kill me and i will deal with X threat from your opponent" etc. but none that got upset about anyone playing optimally

>>53267883
This is how you can tell an EDH player from a Modern player that is playing EDH.

>>53267934
which is the modern player in this scenario?

>>53267934
No, it's how you can tell a drooling retard who only plays EDH to mask the fact that he's terrible at magic from an EDH player.

>>53267522
I came to a new place to play at a while ago and I really wasn't sure how the customs were.
Would it be mean to try to kill someone?
Can I attack one player several turns in a row, or would that be perceived as unfair?
Would it be frowned upon if I helped someone against another player?

Then I played my first game and someone killed me on the 5th turn just because she could. I knew I liked this place then.

>cast enter the infinite with mizzix out
>krenko decides copying it is a great idea
>stroke for two targeting him
FOOL, YOU MEDDLE WITH ARCANE MAGICS YOU COULD NOT HOPE TO FATHOM

>>53267966
>Found the Modern player
EDH is a casual format that is meant to have a low barrier to entry. If you were an EDH player you'd know that.
It's how you can telling a drooling autist that can't stand losing from someone who knows how to have fun.

>>53268196
Muh spirit

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>>53267963

The retarded one.

>>53268196
>meant to have a low barrier to entry.
this is verifiable false
its literally just bored judges: the format
if it was meant to have a low barrier to entry the ban list and deck lists of the RC would look much different

>>53268248
i dunno man, most of the people i know who play modern are the biggest spikes out there and the few that made it over to EDH tend to play the more cutthroat decks

>>53268270

Most of the people who play modern are drooling fuckwits who couldn't cut it in actual formats.

>>53268334
really? at my LGS modern is just legacy-lite. all the spikes who don't have the cash for duals/fow play modern instead.

>>53268334
90% of anyone playing a competitive game are chaff. MTG is no different, doesn't matter the format.

>>53258435
Junk Diver and Workshop Assistant

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Thoughts on this?

>>53268451
whats considered an effect

>>53268451
it's white parallel lives. put it in trostani/rhys.

>>53268369
I have a similar problem. No one plays legacy so I'm stuck playing the only format available.

>>53268451
I run it in my very expensive ghave deck. It's fantastic, it does exactly what you expect, and I suggest buying some because it's going to be worth around $10, particularly if a post-modern jacetice format surges in popularity.

>>53268459
anything that makes tokens. we've seen this effect a few times before already in parallel lives and doubling season and the bad one from commander 2013

>>53267934
>>53268196
>DURR
Come on anon, I play to have fun. I also shrek people rather consistently. The objective is to synergize with the two concepts. For example, I run a feldon deck that I play with precon-level players. Is it stronger than a precon? Absolutely, but it's a very simple deck that's fun to play against, and teaches new players about a wide variety of things. After you drop caged sun, and explain why you won in the next two turns, or reanimate Wurmcoil and shit out 3/3 wurms players will start looking to do neat things with their deck, rather than just playing whatever they happen to draw.

Now, EDH has an incredibly high barrier of entry. How in the fuck is the average person supposed to know what half the cards do, particularly because EDH is personified jank?

>>53264114
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=2530

>>53268595
Too bad you can't play it in monoblue

>>53264114
Two things:

Holy fuck Mind Bend is cool.

Also, why not just run bounce, counterspells and mana rocks? Have the objective to counter everything from t1 on, then just shit out Drakes while no one has any board whatsoever?

>>53268196
Low barrier to entry has nothing to do with it retard, I can build an awful 5000$ deck that does nothing but jerk off for 3 hours and then wins through some stroke of luck, and I can also build a 30$ deck that storms off on turn 6/7.

The EDH website literally says that EDH is about memorable games, how in god's name is a game where you do nothing for 3 hours and then craterhoof memorable?
Like I said, long games are great, but only if they are long because you're equally matched, not if they're long because you don't want to hurt the feelings of terrible deckbuilders and players.

Also, I don't play modern I play legacy

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>>53264114

>>53268642
There are multiple players.

>>53268672
>Like I said, long games are great, but only if they are long because you're equally matched, not if they're long because you don't want to hurt the feelings of terrible deckbuilders and players.
This. It's also why glass cannon degenerate decks like Scion Hermit Druid, tazri, and Ghave are awful to play against. You just durdle for 3-5 turns then go "oops I guess I won, rematch?".

>>53268594
>I play to have fun. Now let me explain why you won't have fun.
>Oh, um, well, geez, Spike. I guess you win
Your Modern is showing.

>>53268672
>The game says you van't have fun
>STOP HAVING FUN
>REEEEEEEEE

>>53268196
NO TRUE SCOTSMAN

>>53268740
>Jerking off for 3 hours is the only way to have fun
Ok

>>53268775
>Playing a game that ends on turn 1 is fun
Sure thing, Spikey.

this thread is quickly becoming a shitshow, i think it's about time for a new one