EDH/Commander General

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penis

>>53238186
What the fuck is up with his right foot?

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Should I change my Xenagos deck into a Samut deck? Thinking of putting in shit like OP's card and altering Samut to a "retro" version, like that Ghave.

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best island coming through

My meta is full of counterspell, infinite combo, infinite extra turns, narset, animar, oloro.

Whats a good deck to hose everyone out to force them to switch playstyles a bit.

>>53238131
>How would you fix your favorite color?
blue is already perfect

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>>53238224
Stax is always the answer

>>53238224
B R A G O
R A G O B
A G O B R
G O B R A

S T A X
X S T A
A X S T
T A X S

reposting for >>53236760

You could use a few more creatures with either ETB effects or sac outlets. Other creatures that interact with the yard are also useful, or have effects when things die are also really useful.

You should definately get your hands on Ashnod's altar and Birth Pod for this kind of deck.

I'd also recommend running at least diabolic tutor because you're in black, as well as buried alive and Jarad's orders. Obviously if you have the money run entomb and demonic tutor.

Prime cut candidates would be:doomed dissenter and reassembling skeleton. I think your creature base needs a bit more power - your in green and black so you have both ramp and reanimator, I'd make use of it.

>>53238131
>How would you fix your favorite color?
>Green
Nothing need be done. Green is already perfect because it supports so many different playstyles but still has the reliable back up plan of ramping into fatties if things go sour. It's the best supportive color in EDH and still functions well on its own or as the focus.

>>53238260
>Dust Dust-Drinker
The card sucks, the name sucks.

>>53238269
i fucked up

>>53238269
>gobra taxs

I don't quite know what it means but I feel like it's a scheme from """them"""

>>53238131
>Red
Just give it reliable card draw, holy fuck.

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>>53238290
In more ways than one.

>>53238282
Shut up weeb

>>53238243
>>53238281
By our power combined, we are the best two-color combo!

>>53238308
Red is literally "burn through your hand go fast" the color.
Alternatively, wheel and deal.

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>>53238323
>...But call him a Weeb and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I've been found out."

>>53238294
(((They))) have that planned next. They're gonna sell us Gobras, and then right when we think we're in the clear, tax the hell out of them!
#FreeBraids!

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>>53238308
>Wheels aren't reliable card draw
It's like you've never know the power of dumping your hand and topdecking Wheel of Fortune.

>>53238331
simic is truly the best guild i will agree you on this

>>53238308
>reliable card advantage

Fixed that for you.

>>53238308
I think you meant White. You at least have wheels nigger.

>>53238131
>White
I literally can't think of anything that my color would need that it doesn't already have.

>>53238605
card draw

>Flash in Protean Hulk, Protean Hulk for Phyrexian Delver and Carrion Feeder, Delver for Hulk, sac Hulk for Mike, sac Delver, Delver comes back, Delver for Hulk, sac Hulk for Misthollow Griffin/Eternal Scourge, Hulk comes back, sac Hulk for Academy Rector, sac Rector, bring out Food Chain.
Wow Sheldon, Tazri FC was really weak, needed something to make it even better.

>>53238614
I run sram voltron, so that's not really a problem for me.

>>53238633
Sorry you play in an unfun meta desu

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>>53238633
:^)

>>53238634
How about card draw not dependent on your commander? Ramp would also help.

>>53238874

I'd settle for spells that say shit like "Draw a card. If an opponent has more cards in hand than you, draw an additional card." Or something along those lines. Catch up draw to equalize hands.

>>53238308
I play monored and getting new cards is not an issue unless you're playing Losiva Coldeyes or some useless tribal garbage.

Red's issue is dealing with indivdual cards. It's great at wiping the board of everything, but it's not great at targeting one of your opponents' cards unless it's an artifact.

>>53239267
That sounds pretty fair.

Best UGx commander for SHENANIGANS?

>>53238634
Sram is by far the best monowhite general. 8.5 Tails and maybe Kemba are good as well but the rest are just either terrible or too expensive. White is the worst monocolor and it's not even close.

>>53239452
UGR, Maelstrom Wanderer.

>>53239452
Tasigur. It lets you play Villainous Wealth which is one of the most SHENANIGANS cards in the format.

>>53239423

I play Lovisa Coldeyes or some useless tribal garbage and I'm still pretty good on card draw in most games.

>>53239523
Slate of Ancestry, right?

>>53239469
Well, that depends on what you're aiming for, Brimaz and Kytheon are solid on 1v1.

>>53238260
>>53238269
Stax won't make the only people play more fair decks, it will just encourage them to do their degenerate stuff even faster.

>>53240090
It's very difficult to combo out against GAAIV if he's given even 1 turn to set up.

>>53239452
Kraj is the best for tap to untap to tap to untap level silliness.

Post commanders you've always wanted to make a deck for but haven't because they're probably trash

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>>53241207

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>>53241207

Who the fuck keeps making these threads so early?

>>53238633
It's still a two card combo but the tutors you have for it are worse than the ones FCT uses.

>>53241618
Its bryan

>>53240090
If you want people to play fair then talk with you're meta. If a majority agree then you may have traction for mutual powering down. If not, then learn to live with it or find another meta. Anything oppressive to unfair decks will be oppressive to fair decks as well.

>>53241687
explain this meme

>>53241618
The other thread is at the bump limit. I don't know what else you want other than for the thread to die entirely before making a new one.

Who should I use as a general for a demon tribal deck? I'd like something that's not Kaalia. I've been thinking about Shirei, Chainer, or maybe Athreos. Suggestions for cool things to add in to a Bx demon tribal also welcome.

>>53242101
Turbosperg was getting targeted in his meta. Instead of talking to his playgroup like mature adult he chose to ostracize someone from his group, Bryan, by slamming the door in his face. When he told us about his autism he thought Bryan was lurking and called him out. Keks have been had ever since.

>>53241618
As someone who's been the OP more often than not for these generals for the past two weeks, at what post count do you want me to make a new thread? It seems like people bitch unless the thread died before a new one then they bitch for letting the general die.

>>53242127
It stopped being funny after the first thread tbqh. Shitposting needs to be kept under control

>>53242165
As long as the old thread hits its bump limit, there shouldn't be anything wrong with starting a new one.

>>53242165
Not before it has been on page 10 for some time, /tg/ is a slow board.

>>53242359
this, (most) people who frequent these generals are smart enough to look through the whole catalog for them
and it's not fair to make two threads and kill off someone's original thread for the sake of a general

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>Play Anafenza
>Other people think that it's +1/+1 counter shenanigans
>Not on board control
>mfw they realise that it may as well be Mono-W lockdown

So satisfying seeing a Niv-Mizzet or Sharuum player struggling to do shit on my turn.

>>53242644
Now -that's- Abzan, they would be proud.

>>53242644
show the list for Anafenza control.

>>53242608
You are asking for a small window of time there bub. After it's hit the bump limit, but before it dies, and only while it's on page 10? /tg/ is slow but it isn't that slow. Also if a thread dies before one that has hit the bump limit it was dead anyway, getting it off the board is a mercy killing.

are vehicles good enough for Depala to be good? I've never seen a Depala deck, but I heard she's not bad.

>>53242783
Considering that we'll probably not see vehicles for a while, or ever again - not really.

>>53242686
>Implying that Colonel Sanders would ever share the truth about the 7 Secret Herbs and Spices

>>53238213
It's not on fire.

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>>53242783
I believe so yes. Vehicles are just super cheap """equipment"""*, and a select few dwarves and a lot of Boros control make a workable deck that's unique in style, at the very least. Also, she digs for this as a "dwarf", and I just love doing that.

>>53242798
That's funny okay fine

>>53242783
In 1v1 she can be terrifying, due to her ability of giving her player and almost never-ending stream of dwarves and vehicles each turn. If you fall behind, there's no getting back, only if you exile artifacts AND creatures

>>53242867
*an almost

>>53242686
Not that anon, but it's probably hatebear tribal with a bunch of wraths thrown in. Both Anas do that.

>>53242117
Can I get some input on this?

>>53243137
shirei + apostles is pretty okay

>>53242780
Considering the last two threads I sat in a general without replies on page ten for 40 minutes and an hour respectively I really don't think I'm asking for much.

I'm pretty sure the ones making new threads aren't linking them either but maybe I'm just missing the posts.

>>53242117
I feel like BR demons is the best option. Can't go wrong with Sire of Insanity

Is there a variant commander where you can just use any rare creature as your commander?
>>53242117
Sol'Kanar is the best demon tribal commander, just on the basis of giving you UBR to work with. If you want to mono it, your commander is Sidisi.

Are there any companies that buy cards on MTGO for credit that I can use on real cards?

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>>53242840
Repetitively Crib Swapping is also fun.

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>>53238131
>how would you fix your favorite color
red
give it a ritual
R
add R to your mana pool for each card in your hand


that's all zada needs to be teir 1

that that or a cheap anthem effect that gives indestructible

the least i ask is something that says
"if somone try's to whipe the board, you don't have to insta scoop"

>give it a ritual
>with Arcane

>>53244419
>getting 6 or 5 mana on turn 1 for 1 mana card depending on if you get turn 1 card draw
No anon, you're the retards

>>53244419
>add R for each card in your hand
Instantly banned in every format, including EDH. Go to the tier list and read off what's red in tiers 1, 1.5 and 2.

>cheap anthem that gives indestructible
>in red
You realize Red only has 16 cards that get or grant indestructible, right? That's 10% of what messes with indestructible. 6 of which are gods.

>>53244419
Neither of those are solutions.

>>53244419
White could be fixed with a 1 mana instant with buyback of 2 that says draw four cards and if one of more of the drawn cards were land cards, you may put them on the battlefield

>>53244859
You can fix green with this:

Braindead Explosion 1G
Sorcery
Search your library for three lands cards and put them onto the battlefield. Shuffle your library.

>>53244969
Blue could be
U
Instant
Return each permanent you don't control to it's owner's hand. Draw a card for each permanent returned to it's owner's hand this way.

>>53245094
Darkest Bargain B
Instant
Each opponent discards their hand. Lose 1 for each hand discarded this way.

>>53245149
Big Robot 1
Creature
Hexproof, Infect
10/10

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If i sac corpsejack menace to mycoloth's devour etb, does mycoloth enter with 2 or 4 counters?

I got into a small disagreement with a friend yesterday when I said that it enters with 4 counters because the rules for corpsejack states:
>"10/1/2012 — If a creature you control would enter the battlefield with a number of +1/+1 counters on it, it enters with twice that many instead."
The devour ability on mycoloth requires that it enters the battlefield

Am i correct or is my friend correct?

>>53245149
Well, because the other player's card was shitty, it could be
Fortunest wheel
R
Instant
Each player discards their hands. For each card discarded this way, you draw a card and add {R} to your mana pool.
Rebound

>>53245251
Corpsejack's effect still applies, since Devour is a replacement effect and part of it's resolution

>>53245254
Boros sure does suck. I wish there was a spell that was powerful enough to compete with other colors while still maintaining the Boros feel:

Soldier Prerogative RW
Instant
Destroy all creatures you don't control. Gain 3 life for each creature destroyed this way. Create four 1/1 white Soldier creature tokens.

>>53245296
That sounds really underpowered though.
How about
Razia's spring cleaning RW
Each of your opponents chooses a permanent he or she controls and sacrifices the rest. For each permanent sacrificed this way, create a red and white 1/1 soldier creature token with haste.

>>53245339
Dimir has a lot of mill spells, but they don't really pack the punch that you need in a competitive format. Let's try something like:

Nothing Personnel, Kid UB
Instant
Destroy target library. That library's controller loses life equal to that library's count. Take an extra turn after this one. Draw a card at the beginning of the next upkeep.
Investigate.

>>53244419
HOLY SHIT I WISH RED HAD A GOOD CARD. ALL THIS DECK NEEDS IS A CARD TWICE AS GOOD AS DARK RITUAL.

Let me template it for you:

Big Dumb Weeb Mistake R
Instant
Add R to your mana pool for each card in your hand.
"I'm too busy masturbating to anime to think about the things I say."

It's time for all of you to stop posting.

>>53245594
>Dumb animeposter finally realized we are making fun of him

i think i've only ever seen 4 or 5 different personalities in these generals since the start

are we just 5 people pretending to be a lot more?

>>53245680
Roll call!
One.

>>53245680
It says on the bottom right corner, fagboy.

>>53245773
don't believe everything you read on the internet cunf

> black
Just askin' for card to deal with artifacts and enchantments pls

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>>53245793

>>53245793
It's the basic concept that every color has strengths and weaknesses. If you add artifact and enchantment removal to black you could as well add healing effects to red and counterspells to green.

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>>53245814

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What are some spicy cards for for a Queen? So far the spiciest tech I have is Delaying Shield.

>>53245828
panharmonicon, y-you double monarch

>>53245814
Those settings have changed over time and are the prime reason certain colors are fucking awful in certain formats.

>>53245908
Does...does that work like that? Can I be a Super king?

Why do people play green again? Monogreen just screams hippie. Why would I cast dirty hobo magic with weed mana?

>>53245793
All is Dust
Boompile
Nevi disk
Oblivion Stone

>>53245984
me too

>>53245981
No.

>>53245981
You can become layered burger king, if that's fine

>>53245981
You can wear as many hats as you want, but a title can only be gained once

>>53245994
do people actually play boompile? i figure it's not consistent enough, i'd rather just leave it out of most decks

>>53246035
the randomness is a big flaw but on the other hand

>only 4 mana so it's significantly cheaper to use than oblivion stone or all is dust
>can tap on the same turn as it enters the battlefield, so it can often save you when nevi disk can't, which is significant

but yes i remember a time i tapped the boompile 3 times in a row without having it do anything

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>want to build a deck
>tfw remember that i've already spent like 600 euros on trading cards in the the past half year

i really like edh but i'm not sure it's "100 euros a month" good. i mean it's not that i don't have the money, i just need to upgrade my PC and do other stuff with my money too

>>53246035
It's playable in Grixis colors if you need both board wipes and enchantment removal, but it'd be among the first to cut when you have enough board wipes.

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Is there a homor pic related and its friends in EDH?

I thought about it in my soldier EDH for the tokens, but that deck has no artifact theme and 3 slots for a meh combo felt bad.

But EDH is a place of many doors, Ed boy. Is there some deck out there that wants these or am I just a fool with a dream?

>>53246416
i put the whole combo into my karn deck as a joke finisher because of how reliably that deck drew 50 cards in a turn and generated infinite mana

i eventually took it out in favor of razor boomerang because that's way funnier

>>53246452
You made the right choice.
I still need to builld a deck where I can use my chimney imp as a wincon

>>53246337
Stop ordering cards for a while and build and improve decks with the cards you have. Your decks will be more individual, you will try cards you never considered before and playing with imperfect decks is more fun.

>>53246493
don't bother with EDH for that.

build hardcore vintage storm and play out the deck like it's supposed to, but then when your opponents expect to die to a tendrils you drop a chimney imp

alternatively
flash hulk? more like flash IMP

>>53246555
nah you gotta infinitely sac and recur chimney imp to hard lock your opponents out of the game.

how do you guys transport your decks? i am looking for a way to easily carry 3-5 single sleeved decks with about 5-10 tokens for each deck along with dice and counters in a single container that doesnt look like dog shit. does anyone know of something that would accommodate that? currently i just through a bunch of deck boxes into a backpack

>>53246857
i could see that happening in meren

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>>53241207

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>>53241207

>>53246902
Easy enough with urza's glasses/telepathy. I have a somewhat decent list if you want

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>>53241207

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>>53241207

>>53246869
>currently i just through a bunch of deck boxes into a backpack
I do just that. What is the problem with this?

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>>53246869
wow an excuse to post my woodworking project

>>53246992
i want to make it look nicer and i am looking to 86 the boxes if possible

>>53247020
ive asked you to make one for me before (and that id pay you) but you said no :(

>>53247039
>>ive asked you to make one for me before (and that id pay you) but you said no :(

it's not that i don't want to, it's more that the logistics just aren't good enough that i could do it in a way that would produce reasonably priced boxes. i'm not a big chinese factory, so if i did make a box like that, i'd have to charge like 70-120 euros to stay in the black and that's before all the shipping shenanigans

plus i live in a faraway nordic country so that produces problems as well

Hey guys so I'm building a deck where the overall theme is that board wipes won't really set me back that badly because most of my shit replaces itself with new shit. Stuff like Hangarback Walker, Hooded Hydra, and Mitotic Slime.

Can anyone point me in the direction of a few more that are solid cards? I am passing on stuff that's just 1 for 1, hoping for stuff that replaces itself with a bunch of 1/1's or something big. Obviously Wurmcoil but that's a bit pricey for me right now, trying to keep the budget down.

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>>53247155
but i want it anon, why cant you just live in america?

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>>53247203

>>53247203
wurmcoil is only like $8 though

>>53246869
Look up the Quiver on amazon, a bit pricey but has done me a lot of good.

>>53247203
Also it's in Jund.

>>53247224
It's $13ish for non-damaged ones and the deck will be about $100 already so I'm trying to avoid stuff that bumps that up too much. Trying to stay under $5 for most cards, with a couple exceptions.

>>53247039
>86 the boxes
What does that mean?

>>53247203
Pattern of Rebith fits what you want to do

>>53247248
if only you were in blue you could run reef worm and chasm skulker

>>53247203
>Hey guys so I'm building a deck where the overall theme is that board wipes won't really set me back that badly because most of my shit replaces itself with new shit.

why not just build a mass reanimator with tons of multireanimator spells

>living death
>wake the dead
>twilight's call
>rise of the dark realms
>victimize
>lifeline

then just have a ton of good ETB creatures (archeomancer for recurring your spells for example), sac outlets, other reanimator goodstuff and so on. then just wipe the board at your leisure knowing that all your stuff is going to come back

>>53247271
get rid of

>>53247283
Yeah I'm considering swapping Tana for Kydele just for those, although turn 3 Tana can set me up so well against slower decks. Maybe Tana will go in the 98 lol.

>>53247248
to be fair anon 13 is pretty cheap for such a good card that fits perfectly into your deck. plus you can use that copy in other stuff if your mega poor. really solid "investment" to be honest, a rhystic study is in the same boat

>>53247336
>plus you can use that copy in other stuff if your mega poor

if you're going to proxy the card then just proxy it without buying it, don't be a shmuck

Thinking about building Talrand budget. A few mana rocks, Coat of Arms, Favorable Winds, Caged Sun, everything else would be lands and non-creature Blue good stuff.

>>53247372
Make sure you get all the decent blue Cipher spells, Isochron Scepter, Sphinx Bone Wand, and lots of bounce.

>>53247357
i think he means "take it out of that deck to put in other decks later"

it IS just an all-around good card to have

>>53247357
nah, proxying is cancer and you should own at least one copy of the card. just use the same card sleeves and switch cards out between decks or use the binder system

>>53246870
Meren? Not Shirei? Meren reanimates only in your end step

>>53247451
uhh

shirei reanimates at end step too

>>53247203
>deck that completely folds to exile/bounce/tuck
sounds awful

>>53247451
>>53247535
oh never mind i see what you're saying

>>53247535
Shirei reanimates EVERY end step.

>>53247558
Doesn't fucking everything fold to that? AND board wipes? Why wouldn't I build a deck around having an advantage over the most popular form of removal in the format? Not to mention that I get to run more board wipes and spam them because they don't set me back while they set everyone else back?

My deck is literally built around my shit dying as often as possible. Vicious Shadows wins the game any time it isn't answered within a turn or two because I can drop two board wipes in a row as my shit creates more shit to kill after they die.

I'm just saying, it's a good deck in casual EDH and I'm not about to go play tournaments with my $100 EDH decks.

>>53247591
actually, what if you run shirei and imp in the 99 of a sidisi deck so that you can always have a tutor for the imp?

>>53247652
if you're going wrath tribal why not run space baby as your commander? you can even get it in foil for like $3

>>53247729
Yuck

>>53247782
why yuck? you plan on playing a ton of wraths anyway, child just makes it more consistent

>>53247812
5 colors means more money, I don't like overplayed commanders, and I don't actually want my commander to be a board wipe.

>Also bad arguments aside, if the commander doesn't have the word "Partner" printed on it then it's gay 2bhfamsandwich

>>53247851
you're playing a bad casual deck, just get bad cheap tap lands. you can even run the maze's end package.

and since when is child of alara overplayed?

>>53247396
>just use the same card sleeves and switch cards out between decks

this is the most cancer shit ever

>guys wait lets not play yet, i gotta tutor up 10 alpha lands and gaeas cradle so i can put them in the next deck im gonna play xd

if you feel the need to do this, then you're probably a spike autist and don't belong in edh

but also

>or use the binder system

i assume this means "proxy the one mana crypt you bought into every deck and when the group autist gets mad at you, reach into your binder to show it to him to sate his autism"

this is also fucking awful because people are still playing with proxies, the only difference is that the people playing them have a sense of self-righteousness despite playing with proxies, simply because they """"own"""" the card and that somehow makes it any more enjoyable to have to decipher your shitty white piece of paper with scribbles on it that you call a mana crypt. if you're going to make everyone endure your proxying in a table, then you might as well be honest about it

>>53247652
Dudes with ETBs don't
Sacrifice+Reanimation doesn't
Flicker doesn't
Stuff with haste usually doesn't

My point is that most decks get value immediately, your idea only gets value if your opponents are retarded and actually wrath your board
It's good on a select few cards that are good even if they don't get the dies trigger, like Wurmcoil Engine, but building a deck around it is stupid

>>53248038
>They're dumb if they wrath while the third player has some big mean shit out

You're silly, friend! Everyone runs wipes and everyone will use them when the board is getting sketchy, if most of my guys replace themselves as they die then I'm ahead almost always, and if the rest of my deck is built around my shit dying or ETB's from the tokens coming in after they die, then I'm even more ahead.

It's a great deck that rarely loses online when facing similar power levels. I understand being so pessimistic about casual EDH, but not every deck needs to be $500 and/or Spike goodstuff to win a game.

>>53248038
he reminds me of a friend of mine who's shit at deckbuilding but thinks he's some kind of genius.

he'll throw ideas at me like "what if i made a deck all about cloning legendary creatures with death effects" or "how about an atraxa age counters deck" or whatever other dumb shit he found on gatherer

i swear to god he wanted to make a deck based around cards that use verse counters for who the fuck knows what reason

he always loses and gets mad when he does because i didn't "innovate" a deck like he did and it's "not a fair game"

>>53248104
wow your friend wants to build spicy and flavorful decks, glad you set him straight with your turn mike and trike deck

>>53248104
2bh you sound like a Spike-tier unoriginal faggot who is looking for some sort of validation in life through winning in this stupid game.

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>>53248141
his decks fold under their own weight. i'm the guy who plays tobias andrion pauper most of the time.

>>53248104
>it's "not a fair game"
The sooner he comes to grips with that, the sooner he can start having fun.

>>53248331
like... i don't even get it

the decks i play are some of the least spikey decks out there, but he can't even win against happy hippo group hug in 1v1

if he doesn't get the perfect hand with all of his combo pieces his decks do nothing and i slowly beat him down with 4/4s and 3/3s

>>53248409
Sounds like he needs to learn some basics of deck building. Even janky shitfests can do okay if they have a decent core of card draw, ramp, and answers.

>>53248523
"answers are boring, i only want to play exciting cards"

i'm paraphrasing, but he's explained this exact sentiment to me every time i suggest a few counterspells or draw engines for his simic deck

>>53247396
People who have a problem with proxying are playing the format for all thr wrong reasons. Likewise, people who take advantage of proxies to run high powered cards they'll never buy are also playing the format for the wrong reasons.

>>53248652
He just needs to get a hit of winning. That sweet high will make him a return customer. Sneak some cantrips, draw spells and a rhystic study into his deck. 'First ones free' as they say.

>>53248694
my chains of mephistopheles proxy was so good people assumed it was real until someone asked to trade for it and i told them

>>53245981
Video extremely related

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w_MSFkZHNi4

>>53248694
This. I don't give a shit if someone has a proxied Solemn Simulacrum or other staple that most people reasonably have access to. The problem starts if you have a bunch of $100+ cards like Mana Drain or Gaea's Cradle that give you a clear advantage over the people playing legit with a budget.

>>53245468
you okay bud?

>>53245984
WG is the hippy color combo. MonoG is fine.

Is it possible for a Johnny and a Spike to coexist in the same group without tension?

>>53249029
>casting force of will on new frontiers for 8
no

>>53238131
>>53238308
>Red
Fuck that card draw guy, just give me some reliable tutor. It's the only color with only like 3 tutors ever released, one of them sucks ass, the other costs 6 mana and the third one searches for goblins. Even in the Mirage tutor cycle they just skipped red altogether because hurr you suk.

>>53249147
Imperial Recruiter

:^)

>>53248652
It's really hard for newbies to grasp, but decks become a lot more fun to pilot when you have interaction and card draw
Not sure how to make him realize that though

>>53249232
he's been playing magic for longer than i have. i think he legit has a learning disability.

>>53245984
Say it with me lad:
S E T O N D R U I D S T O R M

>>53249072
>New Frontiers
>Johnny
?????

>>53249262
securing silly chaos locks takes a lot of mana

>>53249258
>mono green storm
Yeah nah

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I'm having a real problem with one player who continually is running a Tasigur deck with a focus on getting Mike and Trike out. Typically he focuses on ramping hard and using Tasigur until he can Protean Hulk or Tooth and Nail into the combo, and I'm sure he's got one or two more ways into it that we just haven't seen yet as well.

It's becoming a problem for everybody, as nobody is having fun but him whenever he plays that. When we try to talk to him about nobody else having fun when he plays that deck, he just responds "Run more removal". I'm coming to the point where I feel like I should keep mulliganing until I have Path, Swords, or Rest In Peace in my hand, otherwise he combos out and wins. Unfortunately, Games typically also take place at his apartment building (which is pretty sweet for hang outs) and despite my efforts to get games going elsewhere nothing has materialized, so we're stuck with him for the time being.

So how do I keep myself open to permanently shut down this combo while still being able to build my boardstate? Or if that's not an option, what's the best hate deck to run that will shut down a combo player, while leaving more regular players still playing?

>>53249291
Grouphug is Timmy strategy, though. Johnnies aren't retarded.

>>53249188
Yesh I love dropping $200 on sheet of dirty cardbard.
Just give me a noncreature tutor pls so I can play my dank hidetsugu combos with some resemblance of reliability.

>>53249317
knowledge pool is only silly if i didn't play teferi first

>>53249302
Run Extract/Sadistic Sacrament/Jester's Cap type cards that just rip the combo out of his deck altogether.

>>53249349
yes, this. also try to convince the rest of your table to do the same. maybe get one of the blue players to go balls to the wall control or something. if the whole group hates this guy, making him have a bad night will be well worth it.

>>53247155
I'm a eurojew (Dutch), would that be possible, hypothetically?

>>53249302
Isn't Protean Hulk banned?

>>53249428
it was recently unbanned when they banned leo

>>53249428
got unbanned 2-3 weeks ago, leovold got the hammer tho

>>53249302
The BEST way to hate on Tasigur Combo is Anafenza. Other than that, Bojuka Bog, Nihil Spellbomb, Tormod's Crypt, Rakdos/Jund Charm, Relic of Progenitus, all help against Banana Boy.

>>53249302
>>53249386
Also some food for thought:
"You have hexproof" noncreatures like Leyline of Sanctity
"Nevermore" type effects
Cursed Totem and/or Damping matrix

>>53249302
instant-speed graveyard hate and activated ability hate are not ideal but they are funny

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>>53249302
the jig is up if triskelion can't target itself and he has no alternative sac outlet

>>53249302
Jesus christ dude. If you continuously lose to a two card combo, you seriously need to fix your deck.
Play Armageddon and counterspells if you can't beat it, or hell, stifle the undying trigger. Run tutors.
Besides, either your friend is easily amused, enjoys stomping you shits or eats nothing but same food every day. Mike&Trike is a braindead combo, but folds to gravehate or well placed exile spell.
Run Scooze, Tormod's Crypt, Grafdigger's cage, Bojuka Bog (and Crop Rotation for instant speed), Rakdos Charm and other spells like it if they bother you so much. Or hell, Jester's Cap or Sadistic Sacrament works well, Bitter Ordeal, Praetor's Grasp or hell, even Dispossess gets rid of Trike. He's probably too dumb to run Riftsweeper and it doesn't even help against Grasp anyway.

>>53247851
Go for zurgo then, he's a much better choice for wipe tribal.

>>53248694
I have a problem with proxying because
a) I like the collecting aspect of the hobby
b) people inevitably DO take advantage of proxies

Am I playing the format for the wrong reason?

>>53245814
There are lots of green spells that can't be countered by spells or ability + cavern of souls (autoinclude in all green decks)
Red can't gain but can prevent opponents to gain life (without talking about lifelink that can be given or wurmcoil engine)

There are two BLACK spells that target artifacts : one is an enchantment nearly unplayable (Gate to phyrexia) the other one is ok (tribute to phyrexia)
For enchantments there are no black solutions

>>53246869

Fat pack boxes. Can get 2-3 decks into one, and the remainder have room for tokens, etc.

>>53247940
Just print out the card, put a basic land in a sleeve and the print on top of it. Now everyone can clearly see what it is, and if people bitch you can just say that you could put your real copy in the sleeve between games but that would take ages, so there's no functional difference.

>>53249534
Triskelion can target itself in response. As long as he doesn't stack all three activations like a retard or save the self-ping for last he's okay. It'll only work once.

>>53249646
it's really funny though. put tower in every deck, it's such a bizarrely useful tool

>>53249534
That doesn't actually stop the combo if it's played optimally. You start shooting the trike first, letting the abilities resolve before activating it again. If you respond to the first trigger, you can remove the other 2 counters to kill itself. If you let the first trigger resolve and try to respond to the second, the trike owner can respond to the tower by shooting itself with the third. If you let the second activation resolve, it'll die as a SBE when he removes the third.

>>53249147
Gamble is fun though.

>>53249294
Mono green storm is retardedly fun, glimpse of nature decks are my waifu.

>>53249302
Isn't tasigur banned?

>>53249669
>remove the first
>Resolves
>remove the second
>give it protection
>respond by remove the third
>resolves
>2/2 with 1 damage marked
>protection ability resolves
>second activation fizzles

>>53249794
nope, he's never been banned

where did you hear that?

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>it's another Proxy Wars episode
Everyone in my area uses proxies more or less. I see it as pirating a game to play with friends. Secondary market is cancer. Come at me.

>>53249796
What? It'll be a 2/2 with 2 damage marked, from the first and third activations.

You're retarded.

>>53249584
That's not the point of the deck you goober. It's not a wipe tribal.

>>53249302
Make a hate deck. The black split second instants, stifle effects, grave hate, counterspells, jester's cap effects.

Hate decks are easy to build and generally cheap, when someone in my playgrouo built a degenerate combo deck I showed up with talrand 30 counterspells and cantrips, and another showed up with horobi to completely shut down his creature combo.

When after playing 2 games he noticed that it was literally impossible for him to win he switched decks.

>>53249862
indestructible creatures are definitely wrath-proof for the most part though

>>53249900
I WANT my shit to die.

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>>53249862
>I want a deck that doesn't get harmed too much by wipes
>Zurgo is good for this
>No I don't want to play lots of wipes

>>53249912
any golgari then

>>53249912
but there's not enough shit that dies and comes back stronger and you said you just wanted a deck that wasn't set back too much by board wipes

why not play indestructible creatures?

>>53249841
I figured that out a bit late. I'm not used to playing with bad combos. Don't be a cunt.

>>53244419
try inner fire

>>53249938
Because indestructible creatures can't trigger Vicious Shadows, Gutter Grime, Fresh Meat, etc

>>53249912
Meren.

>>53249991
why not make it a mass reanimation deck then? you've got like... 6 or 7 creatures that fit what you're trying to build, tops

>>53248747
>crucem sanctam, best version
dam this is good

>>53250029
Not him but reanimator is really easy to fuck up with all of the good grave hate in the format. It's not quite the same thing.

If I were to build a 4-color Samurai deck would I be better off with Saskia or a Partner combination? It'd be purely thematic and I would suspect that it'd be any good at all.

>>53250157
yeah, but his idea seems a little bit lacking. like, there aren't even close to enough creatures to build that deck and reliably even get just one of them. at least reanimator works pretty regularly if your opponents don't draw their hate.

>>53249446
>>53249443
>creatures are easy to hate on, PHulk isn't that bad
>Leo can fuck off though ayy lmao
t. Sheldon

>>53249736
Not so fun when it discards your winning combo piece from your 8 card hand.

>>53250244
Run E wit effects or multiple combo cards. As long as you have card draw gamble will usually work out.

>>53250206
Leovold was and is cancer in the command zone. That's why I believe that banned as commander should come back. There are other comparable combo cards to Hulk that aren't banned, but Leovold is his own cancer. Being able to quickly and consistently put everyone in topdeck mode while you durdle around and masturbate isn't fun for anyone.

>>53250244
Just get it back with Daretti or welder you sillybilly.

>>53250193
I don't need tons of creatures that do it. 6-7 is fine.

>Have Hooded Hydra and Hangarback Walker and Warstorm Surge out, with a couple of Saps from hitting someone with Tana.
>Play Bloodspore Thrinax
>Sac the saps, hydra and walker into it, all the snakes and thopters come in as 5/5's, Warstorm does massive damage to someone.

I understand that you'll say that's a scenario that will only happen once in a while, but there's worse versions of the same shit all throughout the deck. Pandemonium, for instance. Also every haste-giving thing I can afford (Fervor, Fires, Crossroads, Hammer) so that I can swing with the tokens after the wipe clears everyone else's board.

The deck is just built to have the upper hand after a wipe, and I don't know about you but wipes happen almost every rotation in my group. The deck works very well.

>>53249814
He's banned in french

>>53250341
If you want those types of shenanigans you could try your hand at thromok as well.

>>53250341
i guess i just don't get what the rest of the deck is full of. you've got the creatures that explode into other creatures when they die, you've got the vicious shadows type cards, but what did you fill the rest of the deck with? good stuff?

>>53249817
You do realize that pirated games are unable to play online, babbyposter?

>>53250313
Sometimes you just don't get a great hand to play with and I have to make do with Gamble with all of its glorious shittiness. All I want is a red tutor that has some guarantee to it, preferably for sorceries since red seems to be the "sorcery color" (see Burning Wish).
>>53250325
>recur an enchantment or sorcery with daretti or welder

>>53250440
>pirated games are unable to play online
ahahaha, get a load of this guy

>>53250473
Zetto animale

Lads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPyOWCPh_L8

>>53250341
>I understand that you'll say that's a scenario that will only happen once in a while
It will never happen

Only exception being if you play with mentally disabled people at your local institution, but then you don't need our advice on deck building

>>53250405
The deck is loaded with triggered abilities (Vial and Tana are the commanders), basically it's not JUST "I don't mind wipes", it's "Whenever you do something to me, or I do something to you, something else is going to happen that you don't want to happen."

So I'll have Panharmonicon and Strionic Resonator out, with a Warstorm or Pandemonium, and Vial, and I'll play a Blasphemous act, copy the Vial trigger dealing 9 to 2 opponents at random, it'll kill my hangarback who drops 8 1/1 thopters on the board, triggering warstorm with panharmonicon, etc etc etc.

So I have lots of devour, decent amount of board wipes, a good amount of spot enchantment/artifact removal as in my group those tend to cause the biggest problems, then some decent card draw (Especially ones that fill multiple roles like Disciple of Bolas and Skullmulcher)... Some artifacts/enchantments that make more tokens like Orochi Hatchery...

It may seem convoluted and a bit messy, but it actually plays very well. Mostly because of repeat stuff and a few tutors. As in Pandemonium and Warstorm, Fervor and Hammer and Crossroads, Hooded Hydra and Hangarback and Mitotic Slime etc etc etc.

MVPs include but are not limited to: Kaervek, Deathbringer Thoctar, Kessig Cagebreakers... Ezuri's Predation is fucking silly with either Warstorm or Vicious Shadows out. Like absolutely ridiculous actually, usually wins me the game right then.

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>>53250623

>>53250606
>100% of EDH players have an answer to a mean enchantment in their hand 100% of the time!

You're a funny guy, guy.

Actually one time a guy had a Coat of Arms out that caused my 1/1 snakes and thopters to come out as 6/6's and 4/4's, respectively, after an Inferno that I played on his turn. Was he mentally disabled for not having a counterspell?

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>>53249323
>dirty
Judge promo is quite the opposite desu senpai

>>53250656
He is in the 98 and I've considered deeply putting him at the top instead, and I still may just to test the differences, but honestly having Tana is a massive advantage for the deck as she brings in some devour fodder early, where as Sek needs other shit to die first. It's kind of like.. Sek is perfect to play as part of the 98, and Tana is a better fit in the command zone. That's what it feels like right now at least, it's just faster. But I'm going to swap them around and see how it goes.

>>53250667
hey man, if you're in a craw wurm meta you can just play whatever works. you don't even need any advice from here.

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>>53250519

Are there any infinite mana combos in monoblack?

>>53249608
And White can't send direct burn to the face unprovoked

>>53250771
Dirty Mike with some gay shit

>>53250800
Something that doesn't involve Mike I mean.

>>53250178
Brothers Yamazaki is the only correct answer.

>>53250667
No, he was mentally disabled for playing Coat of Arms in a game against weenies without winning on the spot, and for letting you resolve 7cmc spells with a developed board completely without answers

Just stop responding if all you're gonna say is "well my garbage decks work in my garbage meta"

>>53250463
Codex Shredder dummy

>>53250534
wat

>>53250534
How did he know the mythics are always in the right row?

>>53250771
I'm assuming there's something infinite for Endrek Sahr but dunno.

>>53250879
>6 mana and a specific card to recur a thing I discarded just because my only tutor is a fucking retard

>>53250463
>using combo pieces you can't easily manipulate
Found your problem.

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>>53251168
gamble for codex shredder

either you discard a useless codex shredder or you can use codex shredder to pick up what you discarded

easy

>>53251168
Black does similar to deal with artifacts and enchantments. Work with me here.

>>53251168
You are incredibly short-sighted if that's all you see in that artifact. Be prepared to accept Red's limits or their 'suboptimal' workarounds before going into MonoR. The monoW faggots are supposed to be the ones doing the complaining.

>>53251217
>gamble for a thing that recurs my combo piece in case I discard it because of gamble
Brilliant.
>>53251224
This isn't about dealing with things, this is about getting a thing that actually makes your color do the things it's supposed to do.
>black whining about not being able to answer shit
Demonic tutor is your answer to everything already, you ungrateful fag

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>mfw a red mage is retarded near me

>>53251274
You can Gamble repetitively with Shredder and any of the mutitude of ways to recur artifacts in Red/Brown. It's one of Kurkesh's favorite passtimes.

>>53251364
>mutitude of ways to recur artifacts in Red/Brown
All of like 4 cards
Whoop de doop

>>53251398
Ok, now I know you're trolling.

>>53251517
welder
daretti
trash for treasure
scrap mastery

And it does't even matter because there is no proper tutor for those cards except hobo recruiter for welder

>>53251608
if you're playing red you've earned the right to play fun bad cards like tibalt and goblin lore

>>53251698
Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I've been talking about so far.

>>53251608
Junk diver
Myr retriever
Salvaging station
Scrap trawler
TRADING POST
Workshop assistant
Buried ruin
INVENTOR'S FAIR
Hoarding Dragon
Tamyo's Journal

>>53250771
It's gonna be janky, but Ashnod's Altar, Endrek Sahr and Ancestral Statue produce infinite colorless mana. If you have Phyrexian Altar, you get infinite coloured mana as well, but you need Ashnod's as well.

>>53251789
There's also Ring of Three Wishes, Planar Portal and Planar Bridge

>>53251788
don't take your monored decks so seriously

>>53251789
>graveyard recursion for artifacts
Boy it sure looks like TUTORS!
>unironically recommending utter garbage like hoarding dragon
End yourself

>>53251847
But my monored deck is pretty good except for when I mull a shit hand three times in a row. There's no coming back from that because I can't hope to draw a proper tutor.

>>53250833
Sometimes you hit some bad luck and don't draw any answers. You can pack your deck full of them and still not get them. It happens more often than you'd think.

>>53251884
that's what i mean, man. it's not consistent enough to take seriously.

>>53251884
Keep switching you goalposts. That was to show you how retarded you are in thinking MonoR can't reliably treat artifacts in the GY are cards in hand.

>>53251917
Yes and that's why I'm hoping for tutor cards in the color.
>>53251932
Can you shut up about artifact recursion for a single fucking post? I was talking about tutors from the beginning.

>>53251949
if you wanna make a cutthroat spikey deck, why did you pick monored? deckbuilding challenge or summat?

>>53251949
No, because you cant admit when you're wrong. Gamble is your tutor if you dont want to shell out for a Receuiter. Red has tools to abuse Gamble as demonstrated above.

Also nice to see that you neglected to concede on inventors fair.

>>53251983
>wanting to make your deck more consistent is what consists "cutthroat spikey" behavior nowadays
Please leave

>>53252002
red is the color wizards picked to represent chaos, of course it's gonna be inconsistent.

also the spike bit, i just assume you're talking about a kiki-jiki deck

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>>53241207

>>53251999
No. Red has tools to abuse gamble for a -single card type- and even then most of those tools are colorless rather than "red". Inventors' Fair requires you to run an already artifact heavy deck (which definitely isn't optimal for more monored generals than you think) and sacrifice a land and 4 free mana, telegraphing beforehand that you're searching for an important artifact (hmm who will people spare their krosan grips for I wonder?)
>>53252048
I already said I run a Hidetsugu deck.
>red is the color wizards picked to represent chaos
That's not a good excuse. Can't make chaos if I'm not getting my chaos cards. At the very least they could make Gamble #2 so I don't need to rely so much on topdecking a tutor that gets worse the fewer cards I already have.
Green is the color wizards picked to represent the force of nature and degradation of artifice and yet it's arguably the best color to run blightsteel in.

>>53251949
Red has garbage tutors. We know this. You know what it's pretty good at? Looting. It lets you see lots of new cards and dump the ones that aren't doing it for you. You know what you dump? Cards with flashback or artifacts which you can later recur.

>>53252145
why is this even an argument anyway

no one here has any sway over whether wizards releases another solid red tutor

>>53252172
My dad works at Wizards of the Coast. I'll talk to him.

>>53252167
Looting is what I currently rely on, but a turn 1 faithless looting is a very poor comparison to a turn 1 enlightened/mystical/worldly/vampiric tutor.

>>53252172
>no one here has any sway over whether wizards releases another solid red tutor
No shit, I was literally answering OPs question with what I wanted red to have.The sad thing is that red already has an amazing "tutor" in Burning Wish, but I'm disallowed from playing it in (regular) EDH.

>>53252145
>crucible of worlds
>removal meme
>Red isn't meant to dip into its Artifact portfolio.
>A domain shared with Blue that manipulates the most powerful permanent/card type in the game.

God you are dense.

>>53252145
Shredder hits every card type you gigantic retard

>>53252268
Your play group has house-ruled burning wish?

>>53252285
>>53252307
>running a card to recur a card that you used to search for a card to recur a card that you discarded to your search card by accident
Also I'd like to remind you that inventors' fair costs effectively FIVE MANA and a land to use. With crucible it's a wasted landdrop still. I might as well run Ring of three wishes at that point and spare myself 60 bucks for a crucible.

Shredder costs six mana to recur my shit. Guess what else costs less than that? All of my combo pieces.

>>53252350
It hasn't, that's the point.

>>53248974
Trostani is real fun though

>>53252350
Sheldon has ruled wishes have no effect unless prior agreements were made

>>53252371
>I can't understand how proper deckbuilding works: The Post

>>53252429
>I can't think of a proper answer so I'll make a passive aggressive remark instead: The Post

>>53252371
>>53252393
I'm sorry to hear that. It's always been a thing in my area. You get a 10 card board that you can pull from. I seen no reason this shouldn't be the standard.

>>53252456
Recursion is an incredibly valuble resource in this format. The fact that I need to tell you that alone speaks volumes of your inexperience.

>>53252456
>ignoring the fact that he's a moron for bitching about MonoR when he won't even dip for the clear advantage the color offers with Brown

>>53252526
And yet this deck isn't really artifact based, which is the one thing that red has a couple of ways to recur (most of those ways involving sacrificing another artifact to boot). I know you like to fellate Daretti all night, but please keep it to yourself.
>>53252577
>sacrifice your sol ring to get back your expedition map

>>53240090
This is just not true. Stax pieces can always come down before combos

>>53252860
>>53252860
>>53252860

New thread

>>53252383
Still fun, but definitely hippy as fuck.