Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

1st for THICC PAINTS

First for Yvraine is the best to come out from GTS

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>>53231118
Anyone excited about CP?

>>53231155
>play 8e
>go to jail

>>53231155

Sir, I'm going to need to investigate your computer and search history.

>>53231155
I smiled.

>>53231155
>8th edition
>Now confirmed jailbait

Looks like we gonna have to go underground to continue playing 40k

>>53231155
>play 40k
>get put on a list

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>>53231152
>elf slut

Fuck outta here

>>53231155
Really want to see faction specific strats. I wonder if any faction special rules will be rolled into them.

>>53231228
>Impying there are elves that aren't sluts

>>53231118
fix the last link you lazy bumfuck

>>53231247
I could see Acts of Faith being shifted into them, since then you can have the individual acts apply to any sisters unit instead.

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>>53231152
>implying bellysaurus isn't the best
there's also that other fully armored elf that's better than yvraine

>>53231253
I didn't imply otherwise.

I'm working on some fluff to give a golden Necron army an excuse for being golden. Here's what I got:

The Golden Contingent (named Fool's Profit by the Imperium) is a force of gold-plated Necrons under command of Trazyn the Infinite. Their objective; to obtain ALL of the gold in the galaxy for Trazyn's collection, through whatever means necessary.

Raids on wealthy hive world's are frequent, and it is suspected that Trazyn plans to one day sack Holy Terra and add The Imperial Palace to his collection.

Rumor has it that the Golden Contingent has a small squadron of Aeonic Orbs, on which they are experimenting with using the stars contained within to fusion some gold up.

Tl;Dr they love goooooooold

So a LoC has 16 wounds and a 4 ++ according to the new article. Are we expecting Magnus to have more or less this statline as well? because christ that sounds strong.

>>53231314
Probably at least as many wounds as the LoC, maybe even more considering Magnus has more wounds than a LoC at this moment.

A good hit with a battlecannon means the LoC instantly dies though.

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So I wonder, will they introduce a rule that stops big models from being wounded by weaker weapons ? Say something like:

>behemot of war (X): this model can't be wounder with a weapon with strength of X or less

If not, will stuff like Knight armies become more acceptable once even a lasgun can wound them ?

>>53231314
It was mentioned in the Characters article that magnus has at least 12+ wounds, so yeah very likely he'll be tough as nails.

>>53231308
that's so fucking awful

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Plastic Sisters in 8th?

>>53231308
>Their objective; to obtain ALL of the gold in the galaxy for Trazyn's collection
?

>>53231338
>A good hit with a battlecannon means the LoC instantly dies though.
You realize that statistically you will probably never see this happen ever in your entire life, right?

>>53231347
It's possible they'll get rules similar to Rubric Marines, +1 to all saves if the gun doesn't meet a requirement.

>>53231347
after all this stuff that has been revealed, why would they. are you stupid?

>>53231347
Since you need something like 500 guardsmen with FRFSRF to kill a Land Raider, I don't think it matters.

>>53231347
They might just get a rule similar to what Rubrics did, letting them re-roll their 2+ armor save against any weapons that only deal 1 damage or whatever, but I can't see them being immune.

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>>53231359
>Plastic Sisters

>>53231347
> Knight costs 250 pts
> You need over 1000 points of lasguns to kill a Knight
> Knight players complain that they can be killed by lasguns

>>53231359
Plastic Sisters never so I can continue feasting on your delicious tears.

>>53231347
Everything being able to hurt everything (in theory) being one of the first things mentioned, I doubt there will be rules that make models truely invincible against certain weapons.
The idea behind it is most likely to make things like Imperial Knight armies less binary and more enjoyable to play against. Hopefully that will be the case, even if it takes more lasguns that you can fit guarsmen on a table to kill multiple knights with just Imperial flashlights.

>>53231247
I guarantee you at least two of the Thousand Sons ones will involve auto passing psy tests and ignoring perils.

>>53231347
Not the plan, at least not in regular games. Who knows what's going to happen with apocalypse stuff when you're dealing with titans.

However in normal games it's not gonna happen, they want anything to be able to wound anything in a normal game. That's intentional.

>>53231370
I've seen 5 grots defeat a hive tyrant in close combat.

Never trust your dice.

>>53231308
Just make them directly subservient to the Silent King, the Triarch Pretorians are already clad in gold after all.

>>53231430
>2CP - for the entire psychic phase roll an additional dice when manifesting psychic powers and discard the lowest.

>>53231308
You know gold isn't just slabs of metal used to build the palace, but an element that shows up everywhere, right? Oceans could have gold filtered out of them, just not in any way approaching efficiency.

It's like a middle-schooler had a silly idea and tried to explain it without thinking about it at all. I know a lot of 40k shit doesn't mix in fluff but that's just bad.

Can/should I get into 40k if I'm a poor fag?

> Be autarch
> Path of COMMAND
> Gains command points equal to the turn number at the start of turn

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>>53231359
soon

>>53231496
Do you have a couple hundred dollars to spend on a small army?

>>53231496
>>53231519
You can get 1000-1500pts with $200 depending on faction/availability of second hand armies

>>53231496
Can: Sure. just buy a Start Collecting and play some small games. They are fun.
Should: Eh. Depends on your willpower. You will want to buy more units, if you can spend 40 a months or save up for 100 once, then go for it.

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>>53231359
Someday anon, someday...

>>53231496
Do you think you have the money to spare?
Because even a fairly simple army can costs hundreds of dollars.

If you're still interested you might want to look into whether anyone in your area plays Shadow War Armageddon as that's a lot cheaper to play.

>>53231308
Fuck off and play donut steel pirate orks instead

>>53231485

He could add a bit where he mentions that the Necrons would melt down entire world's, just for a few pounds of gold.

>>53231496
Shadow war might be more your deal while you slowly build up a small army, theres a general thread up right now and they have all the rules scanned along with links to printable tokens and stuff.

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They only really seem to mention commanders adding points and missions giving certain unique command abilities, but do you think certain armies/commanders might get different abilities too? i.e. a destiny dice like system for Thousand Sons
Also, if armies got their own abilities what do you think some of them might get?

>>53231571
The idea was already dumb enough as is.

>>53231347
I could see some rule that gives FNP-like extra save against weapons that meets certain criteria (s<4, only D1 etc.) Heck, even having 4th edition like apothecary rule (1st wound per phase/turn is discarded) could give them long mileage.

>>53231571
Except that would be just as if not even more retarded... Trazyn isn't even interested in gold. He's interested in SCIENTIFIC relics.

>>53231467
makes way more sense. Even the third edition dex had golden necrons in it. It's just metallics from a different world meant to make them look ornate.

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>>53231409
Why are you like this? :(

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>>53231359
Never lose faith Sister...
Never...
The Emperor protects

>>53231308
ALL gold is a bit excessive

Add some unfathomable mumbo jumbo like him actually wanting only all gold that traces back to a certain quantum frequency or that made up some rare old one artifact that got shattered through the galaxy during the war in heaven

>http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor_of_Mankind
>One account of the Emperor's origin goes so far as to say that he had mortal brothers and sisters and details the time and location of his birthplace - eight thousand years before the first millennium, in a primitive village along the banks of the Sakarya River.
>The Sakarya (Turkish: Sakarya Irmağı, Greek: Σαγγάριος, Sangarios) is the third longest river in Turkey.
When did you find out that the Emperor is a fucking roach?

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>>53231496

Please don't. I don't want you to come back to these threads saying how terrible GW is for selling a box of Tac Marines for $50 because you want an entire army all at once instead of buying it piecemeal.

And I don't want you to come back here praising 'Based Chinaman' like a tool when you start buying FW from a recaster instead of doing the right thing and buying it direct from FW.

People seem to be quite concerned that "anything can hurt anything", but I think they idea that they're going for it that yes, lasguns CAN hurt a land raider, but instead of doing perhaps 1 or 2 wounds to a 24-wound land raider per turn you should perhaps focus on something else

>>53231720
>doing the right thing
>overpaying for resin models

how about no

>>53231753
>tripfag
>reddit spacing
how about no

>>53231714
Did you never wonder why he wasn't blond with blue eyes?

>>53231768
Because his appearance is obviously based on Conan the Barbarian?

Lore question: Why do ynnari soulburst when non-aeldari die? How do they utilize the souls of non-aeldari?

>>53231496
do you have friends that are willing to play low points games or even shadow war games? when i started 40k it was before im at the job im at now and i couldnt afford much, after 4 months i only had a 500 point army. look up kill team/ shadow war armageddon, buy models off ebay and learn to strip/repaint, check out craigs list etc

>>53231714
Oldest structure on Earth is in Turkey.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

>>53231753
Wait you're here too? I thought I left your faggotry back on /m/. How's that "Shadow War Armageddon Private Server" coming?

>>53231714
there weren't any Turkic people in that place eight thousand years ago.

>>53231796
they jack off

>>53231496
Not even worth it assumption this point. The new edition is basically baby's first wargame, with rules dumbed down to make them easier for 8 year olds and an emphasis on speed of play over literally any other concern.
To fix a few balance issues they redesigned the game from the ground up. It's about as close to modern 40k as Rogue Trader was, just going in the opposite direction.

>>53231791
he isn't as manly or rough as conan. he's more like turkish jesus

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>>53231854
Lmao so bitter. So sad.

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>>53231264
>he doesn't know how to read PDF2s

Since both seem like they'll be useful and strong now, in terms of fluffiness vs looks vs how they work should I pick up a heavy warpflamer or soulreaper autocannon for my Scarab Occult Terminator squad?

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>>53231118
So according to Atia
>you will be getting some new tau stuff that's not directly part of the t'au empire :P
Bets on Kroot Mercs, Chaos/Renegade Tau, or Farsight-uniques?

>>53232004
It will depend on the point cost, that we've not seen yet

>>53232030
AtiAShit

>>53231379
FRFSRF will be a Command Point ability if it exists at all in 8th.

Every complaint about 8th has "I'm a huge WAACfaggot and my broken cheese army won't be as good" behind it.

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>>53232046
Say what you want, she's right five times as often as she's wrong. Her prophecies may not always unfold as we prefer, but they do unfold.

>>53231894
Damn straight, in bitter. They're turning 40k into a game I never would have started playing back when I did, and one I have no interest in playing now, making the thousands of dollars I've invested into this game a complete waste. It's One More Day all over again and yes, it pisses me off. Doubly so since I'll never get real rules for Sanguinious, the Lion, Khan, or the Emperor in 30k since FW will have to update their stuff for 8e as well.

>>53232061
They all but confirmed FRFSRFGSADFGSW in the Weapons article where they talked about rapid firing.

>>53232030
I'd like Kroot Merc, but since they have said that the Kroot Shaper is not an HQ choice I don't think it'll be that
The most likely option is probably Farsight, but Chaos-corrupted Taus would be an interesting addition, since it would actually expand the Chaos faction, that currently is in the same situation as Death in AoS, creating an army that isn't either daemons or SM

>>53232076
Fucking autocorrect

>>53231762
Not him but I've been typing like that since before reddit existed. Is reddit that convenient of an excuse for everything?

>>53232061
They already said it was an order and it goes off automatically

>>53232076
How the fuck can you defend 7th edition?!
Seriously, tell me what you liked about it and what army did you play?
Let's see your most recent army list.

>>53232076
7th fucking sucked mate

>>53232038
Alright, alright. I guess I'll just wait. I was getting a tad bit impatient while waiting for 8th and really wanted to finish painting and assembling these guys sooner even more once the stat reveals on rubricae and their weapons came out plus hearing of the new rules in general.

>>53232076
Sell your army then, if you wouldn't play it anyway

And buy Renew Your Vows, good sales of that series would show Marvel their errors more than complaining about it on a Korean train stamper agency

>>53232030
I hope it's not more farsight shit.

>>53232030
Farsight Enclave Close Combat Specialist Samurai Battlesuits

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>>53231854
>>53232076

>>53232109
>>53232109
I'm not defending 7e, it's an objectably bad edition. But the problems weren't nearly so bad as requiring an entirely new game being made. 5e had a much better set of core rules, but was hampered by boring, shitty codices. 8e should have been something closer to 5e with late-7e codec design (Traitor Legion style balance and fluffy rules).
GW's 8e throws the baby our with the bath water.

>>53232030
Who cares. We only want a basic troop choice kit for SoB.

Or flat Psyker polar bears. Anything else is just worthless shit

>>53232076
The past few editions have been pretty bad bro.

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>>53231854
>>53232076

>>53232076
>They're turning 40k into a game I never would have started playing back when I did
So i take it you never played 2nd ed?

>>53232236
Wouldn't have played it them, either. 40k didn't hit its stride until 3e.

>>53232202
>"problems weren't nearly so bad as requiring an entirely new game"

Oh really? What makes you say that?

Did you just love having to fire every gun at the same unit?

Did you think 26 pages of special rules was a good thing?

Did you just love sweeping advance or the clunky as fuck psychic phase?

How about how MCs were better than walkers in every conceivable way?

How about formations? Fun too I guess?

Sweeping advance is a good idea?

You can't defend 7th but you're bitching about 8th?

Please just quit. You're the type of person we don't need in 40k.

>>53232236
>Implying 2nd was even close to AoS or AoS second edition
>Saying glorious 2nd was even close to AoS or 8th is just Heresy
>Implying glorious AC would allowed this bullshit

>>53232030
A'ut colonies army

independent from the T'au empire but sharing the same goal of expanding the reach and influence of the tau

less model count but having more experienced fighters and more practical tech, they have warp travel

prepare for groriously honorabru close combat with samurai suits

>>53232264
>Plebians

>>53231854
>a few balance issues

the game hasn't been good in 2-3 editions, it need the 3rd edition esq reboot

>>53232202

Except 40k does need a reboot. 7th edition is just a massive swamp of rules exceptions and the cost to own said rules is almost as prohibitive has building an army for said edition.

That and the rules are blatantly mediocre as well as convoluted and bland.

If 7th ed was allowed to continue as it is 40k would die due to how hard it is to get into the game. It has all the same issues that 8th ed fantasy had internally as well as the awful business choices GW made with it externally.

The whole thing needs to be hard reset so the game can finally be brought forwards and balanced after years of awful shite that have been pumped into it by inept game designers.

I'm sorry if you've bought into the kool-aid over the past years but it's for the best the way they have rebooting the game.

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>>53232067
gotta be honest, i'm mostly okay with a lot of these changes if they level the playing field (i graduated yesterday and put up an art exhibition so i don't give a damn about 40k right now)

>>53232202
maybe we'll find complexity in simplicity, like how cartoons and comics/manga love to play around with super strength

>>53232279
You need to learn how to greentext before doing it

>>53232030
>Chaos Tau with pseudo-biological Oni like battlesuits
I'd play it.

8th edition rules because tactical marines, devastator marines, and assault marines are finally able to play like the lore suggests.

It never made sense to me that if I wanted to hit a tank all my bolter dudes had to shoot it too just so the one guy with a missile launcher could fire at it.

>>53232266
The only real issues are the psychic stuff, which I've complained about since 6e, the walker thing, the horribly unbalanced formations, and the introduction of flyers/superheavies/gargantuan creatures in normal games.

Again, I say a tweaked version of 5e would be the way to go. Hell, that fake leaked ruleset before 6e dropped would be better than this crap.

And when it comes down to it, as much as I dislike the current edition, I still prefer it to the shit that is 8th edition.

>>53232370
Please burn your army.

>>53232370
Instead of just calling 8th ed crap, explain what about it is bad and why.
We can only rip apart your arguments if you make one.

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>>53232334
>People are sometimes using a capital letter while greentexting
> And sometimes, they even put a space after their ">" sign !
>This triggers me so much !
>Oh, I know, I'll show them how much this triggers me by
> Spending a post on
> Complaining about
>It

>>53232067
Just like all other edition changes.

>>53232334
There aren't really any rules to it, a lot of people just tend to do it a certain way because it's marginally faster.
And it's not a new thing, it's been true for a decade

>>53232403
That wasn't the issue. The problem is that the first one is a """quote""" of what someone else said, while the other two are your opinion on the matter
It's to be either one, not both

>>53231308
great concept. 40k should be stupid

>>53232334
Getting trigger by a thing that has happen for almost a decade now.

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>>53231155
No dump? Fine then

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The day when full rules for 8th will become available can't come fast enough. This is torture.

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>>53232534

i want to make a list of my existing models for 8th ed

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>>53232547
>no qt commisar to firmly but fairly restore your morale

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>>53232550

>>53232539
>H-hayai!

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>>53232564

>>53232004

Fluff-wise, I'd say the warpflamer seems more justified. Rotary cannons seem to have been pretty rare in the traitor legions. Still, it's GW's setting and they say that both are suitable so I'd say there isn't a strong argument for one over the other based on background material.

Looks-wise, I prefer the warpflamer. I personally think the soulreaper looks quite awkward with the mixture of baroque and high-tech elements, while the flamer gets it just right. Also, I'm a sucker for those horizontal heavy flamer barrels.

How they work? Well, both of them should be strong against elite infantry and OK against really big, tough single models (wound up to T 9 on a 5+). The soulreaper obviously has a range advantage, which could well be critical for a somewhat slow unit in an army which can't afford too many of them. I expect you will pay for that though.

>>53232550

I just want them to release the rules already. this drip feeding got stale a week ago.

>>53232399
Just about everything except the bit about creatures becoming less effective as they lost wounds.
The to hit chat in assault and the to wound chart are the best mechanics 40k has, and they're dropping them.
Getting rid of USRs, which are useful since they're, you know, universal.
Movement values
The terribly simplistic morale system
Armour save modifiers
Flat to-hit rolls in assault
Everything being able to wound everything
Removal of initiative
Characters no longer being able to join units
Vehicles using the same rules as creatures
The new psychic system (can we please just go back to a simple Ld test?)

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Haha thats all folks another solid victory for the brave men and women of the Imperial Guard

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>>53232076
U fel 4 my ruse m8

>>53232599
DON'T DARE TO CONTINUE

I DIDN'T DUMP FOR A REASON

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>>53232067

>New morale system screws over units with more models
>To-hit modifiers screw over anyone with bad BS
>Cover adding to saves suck for anyone without a worthwhile save to add it to
>Even if these are balanced by low points cost, have to buy three or four times as many models as marine players for similar price per model

But of course, as an ork layer, that's what I deserve for playing a game-breakingly powerful army.

>tfw FLGS WAACfag is spooked his "aeldari" army he spent nearly $1000 on since fracture of biel-tan release will become middle tier at best

>>53232593
getting rid of USRs does kinda suck
movement values are great
armor save modifiers are great
flat to hit kinda sucks
ability to wound everything helps balance stuff
vehicles using the same hit point system as dudes is great

>>53232599
Go on.
Dont listen to this faget >>53232645

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>>53232645
>tfw t3

>>53232674

yeah but did you read the new strategem rules?

You can pay points to ignore a battleshock test.

I assume Ghaz has a huge bunch of them if you include him.

>>53232593
>The to hit chat in assault and the to wound chart are the best mechanics 40k has, and they're dropping them.
wew lad

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>>53232733
B-but...

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>>53232733
A good commisar inspires even in death. I also just noticed that loli commisar doesn't have a shirt covering her belly

>>53232534
>>53232547
>>53232564
>>53232573
>>53232599
I want a loli commisar model now.
Where can I get a loli Commisar now?

>>53232749
ghaz could remain lord of war which might not be a slot in the most tactically flexible, command pointsy detachment

>>53232674
>no matter what happens ork players are victims
Are ork""""""bros""""""" the feminists of 40k players?

>>53232733
Shot through the heart
and you're to blame
you give love
a bad name

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>>53232733

Anyone want to give me a hand on what i should pick up for a Raptor army?

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>>53232789
fixed for realism

Are WAACfags all that guy? Are power gamers all WAACfags?

>>53232593
>Movement values
The hell is wrong with those? It fixes a lot of stuff with lower tier armies (I'm looking at you hormagaunts.
>Save modifiers
wut
>Vehicles using the same rules as creatures
Oh shit, can't have that. What do you mean the difference between, say, a Necron Spider, a Dreadnought, and a Broadside is bizarre and abitrary?

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>>53232733
TOO FUCKING FAR
I SWEAR ON ME MOM I'LL SHREK YOU M8

>>53232593
>The to hit chat in assault and the to wound chart are the best mechanics 40k has, and they're dropping them.

>Hitting literally everything on 3+ or 4+ except in the rare occasions there are characters with WS7+, in which case they hit on 5+, is so great

>>53232819
Scouts, Vanguard veterans and Landspeeders

Assuming you roll a 6 for your shots with the battle cannon (which you need, a 5 will leave him with 1 wound), and assuming you hit all 6 shots, wound all 6 shots, then he fails all 6 saves, you still have about a 4% chance to actually roll enough wounds to 1 shot him

It is like, literally billions to 1 that this happens.

>>53232733
I thought it would be sexy times...

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>>53232573

>>53232831
>1 casualty
>the whole unit flees

>realism

get with the new edition, necronfag

>>53232903
Now instead half the unit drops dead.

>>53232848
>Are WAACfags all that guy?
Yes
But not all Those Guys' are WAACfags

>Are power gamers all WAACfags?
No
You can powergame without cheating, rule-layering, or otherwise being a insufferable shit.
Hell you don't even have to be a netlister, some power gamer try to find novel and new way to maximize potency in a given army

>>53232932
No, commisars will reduce casualties fro-
oh...

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>>53232593
>Getting rid of USRs, which are useful since they're, you know, universal.

It's too early to say there won't be any rules that cross armies/units.

>Movement values

Yeah, lets just have everyone move at the same speed, no matter if it's an Eldar or a Terminator.

>The terribly simplistic morale system

Ld. 10/Fearless galore.

>Armour save modifiers

AP2 Ignores Cover spam.

>Flat to-hit rolls in assault

You're either stupid or a liar.

>Everything being able to wound everything

Yeah, those Riptides and shit were total bitches.

>Removal of initiative

Lets just see how it'll work out.

>Characters no longer being able to join units

Yet at the same time you can't target them if they're near a unit, etc. So nothing of value was lost.

>Vehicles using the same rules as creatures

You mean like bikes, battlesuits, etc.?

>The new psychic system (can we please just go back to a simple Ld test?)

Have you seen it in operation yet?

>>53232932
nice ld2 guardsmen you have there champ

>>53232861
what would my army look like. I am basically starting from the ground up. I have some tact marines but that's really it. https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Raven-Guard-Mor-Deythan-Strike-Squad I was going to use this for issodon and proxy for something else because the models are great.

So how many Space Marine chapters are just gonna outright say no to Bobby G's bettermarines?

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>>53232877
>impossible

one day in one particular game with one set of dice it'll happen. don't you wanna be the guy to beat the odds? beat the house?

>>53232860

Not them but Imo they should have changed the WS chart to something more in line with the old S vs T chart so that higher WS meant more advantage.

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>>53232903
>>53232932
meh

>>53232932
>ld7
>1 dead + d6 going to make anyone flee

>implying the battleshock doesn't happen at the end of the turn anyway

>>53232749
You can ignore one battleshock test per phase for the cost of 2 command points.

It seems likely that there will be more than one test each morale phase and, more importantly, there will probably be other things that your opponent can spend their command points on. So while orks have to spend all of theirs just to stop their army disintegrating, everyone else gets piles of re-rolls and other nice shit.

>>53232972
is there an option to say yes?

>>53232969
Well I've no idea how 8th edition wil work for raptors, the shit i suggested are just their themtic units and the ones that go int Ravenguard/Raptors detachment/formation

I think it's ironic that people play a dice game but then do everything in their power to manipulate the rules and their units to make actually rolling dice a mere formality.

Then they bitch when the new edition makes things more random based on dice rolls because "it's too random, it takes away all the skill!"

>>53232539
>N-NANI

>>53232593
>The to hit chart in assault and the to wound chart
It blows chunks and you know it. Under the current system almost everything just hits on 4+ anyway outside of a very small number of units with very high WS and special rules that modify to hit chances. You can achieve a much greater degree of variance while not bogging the game down with pointless charts by having unit specific to hit modifiers.

>and the to wound chart
Is still there, it just has a different shape now that makes high toughness better against high strength but slightly worse against low strength.

>Getting rid of USRs, which are useful since they're, you know, universal.
I mean that's not really that big of a deal, it kinda sucks that every unit will have their own variant of FnP or similar things but getting rid of them also allows the game designers to put all of a units rules in one place and add some more granularity in design to each unit

>Movement values
U wot M8? The move stat is the best thing they could have done to the movement phase and is probably the single greatest change in 8th ed. It offers so much more space for unit balance and game design and finally even adds a bit more tactical depth to the movement phase

>The terribly simplistic morale system
Kinda sucks but not a terrible loss when most armies didn't even use the old one, and when they did it bogged down the entire game

>Armour save modifiers
This is also one of the great changes of 8th ed, finally guns have scalability and no longer will you have situations like AP 3 that was either useless or far too powerful depending on the unit and thus hard to balance appropriately. The relatively low values also means that armor finally matter, especially for armies like Orks and IG who now actually get to take their saves and not rely purely on cover or bodies

>Everything being able to wound everything
Is not that big of a deal when a guardsman has a maybe 1% chance to take a single wound off a 12+ wounds land raider

>>53233010
But anon, that's one of the points of building an army. You don't just randomly throw units together, you pick units that complement each other, or have a bit of redundancy.
In the end, if you want to have a higher chance of winning, you need to lessen the effect of negative dice rolls.

>Bitching about morale.
>Nevermind the fact that it was almost universally ignored for the past two editions.

MAKE FEAR GREAT AGAIN

Why is losing so painful? Why do I feel like crying when I get tabled turn 3? How do I serve the emperor when Eldar keeps wrecking my shit?

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>Yet ANOTHER woman that plays Tyranids
I swear to God there's something to be explained there. A femanon explained once but I can't remember what she said.

>>53232961
>Yeah, those Riptides and shit were total bitches.
Assuming riptide stays t6 2+ as it is now I think it gets more durable in 8th. Lasguns still wound on 6, bolters get to 5+ (27 marine boltshots per wounds against the current 54 per wound) but s8-11 weapons only wound on 3+ instead of 2+ and it will probably gain more wounds just like everyone else. On the offensive side if battlecannon is the gold standard for large blasts we can safely say that Ion accelerator is dead. Good thing we still have heavy burst cannon which looks sexier anyway.

>>53232593
>armor save modifiers
There's a lot of bullshit in this post, but let me address this one.
Tell me, what's so great about an AP system where the only values that matter are 2 and 3?

>>53233059
No, that's how we ended up with 7th edition death star bullshit. Stacks upon stacks of buffs.

Or did you like having a Ravenwing/WolfStar with Invisibility and 3++ wound shifting?

>>53233077
If you can't play female space marines, you pick the cute alien bugs.

>>53233077
Women are driven by two primal urges - to eat everything, and to push out lot of babies. Tyranid resonate with both of those.

>>53233065
>two editions

More like 5.

>>53233077
Tentacle porn.

Also, Nids are not hyper masculine or feminine.

>>53233105
never played against anything like that

lol why should i care about shitters

>>53233105
Don't forget rerollable saves!

>>53232969
Personally I prefer https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Raven-Guard-Dark-Fury-Assault-Squad

>>53233032
>>53232593

>Removal of initiative
Alternating activation is a much more interesting system, now you actually have to put some though into the fight sub phase rather than just rolling buckets of dice and seeing who has the better averages.

>Characters no longer being able to join units
Now they basically just auto join all of the units their standing next to, there's really not that much change here other than that you can no longer build multi character death stars.

>vehicles using the same rules as creatures
I will mourn the loss of different AV for different sides but I get why they changed it and nothing else of value was lost.

>The new psychic system
Is basically a better version of the old one, except now more powerful powers will be harder to cast. Which is a much better balancing mechanic than just buying powers for points and won't end with just all psykers having to be Ld 10 by necessity

I want to play Grey Knights but everything so far points to Blood Angels being way better this edition.

>Pistols in assault
>Chargers attack first
>Flamers auto hit and D6 wounds
>Hand flamers and Inferno Pistols are finally worth taking
>Independent characters can't join units, everyone is basically the Sanguinor now - AOE buffs
>Fast vehicles and Jump Packs are our speciality
>Wondering what sort of crazy rules they have planned for Death Company

I wish more armies could field Command Squads as an HQ choice. It doesn't seem right for a captain to be leading a couple of marines and a venerable dreadnought into a small skirmish.

>>53233077
Gender neutral faction (for the most part).

And space nuns is a poor choice for female gamers.

>>53233195
What if tyranids are like bees and ants and are actually a large force of mostly female nids?

>>53233192
I want to make a Space Marine army super bad right now, but before I really get into it I also need to see if they actually fucked everything up with Numarines.
And I can't decide on a chapter

>>53233195
How so?
I am a chick and always kinda liked the Sisters... only that sadly GW isn't giving them some love with better molds and stuff

>>53233105
What I meant was that you shouldn't just have a single unit to cover an important role. Knowing the weakness of your army and building accordingly is important. If you struggle against tanks, maybe you should get more anti-tank weaponry?
I actually want the exact opposite of a deathstar unit. More units, so you don't get tabled the second your super-mega-important unit dies to a bad dice roll.

>>53233077
They are just cute animals

>>53233234
I was already starting a space marine force when the new edition came out. I lucked out though, since I was making a homebrew chapter that's really focused on history and tradition, so if Numarines are dumb I can have them think so as well and it be fitting.

Only thing that concerns me is chapter tactics and how to kit out characters with point costs for the variety of gear being so different.

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ya'll pray to ynnead and yvraine today?

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>>53233238
>I am a chick

>>53233271
Remove Ynnari
You're worst Aeldari

>>53233231
Isn't that canon anyway? As in, the more important creatures are female, as far as one can tell, to breed and do most of the heavy work required for tyrannoforming, while the (even more) expendable males throw themselves into the meatgrinder? Guess this would tie neatly with their insect theme.

For me its the Space Wolves

>>53233077
Unthinking vermin with a drive to consume and destroy everything they encounter.

>>53233231
I mean isn't that basically how it is?
Most nids are workers, stuff like Hive Tyrants are drones and stuff like Norn Queens are self explanatory.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB5PHxHxq-M
>tfw warhammer based channels start doing political bs

>>53233314
Tyranids have no gender, though their spacebound specimens that churn out hordes of warrior forms could be considered female I think.

>>53233234
>>53233258
Building Minotaurs right now. If I like NuMarines and they are good, everythings fine, as the High Lords executioners will find a way to get them.
If not, I can rely on their whole "Fuck our ban from Ultramar, we never wanted to have anything to do with you anyway." And maybe still nib some weapons from NuMarines while staying true to their fluff

>>53233349

Arch has always been political.

>>53233349
jesus christ how horrifying
irritating voice to boot

>>53233349
Is the yours 1sr Arch vid?

>>53233349
>feminists perspective

Instantly disregarded. Women do deserve equal rights, but feminists are just a special breed of SJW that are particularly talented at creating issues where there are none.

>>53233271
I'm sorry, your whole religion is just part of Cegorach great plan to save the Eldar race

But don't worry, your sacrifice will not be forgotten. We'll make a great ballad about it

>>53233032
just throwing in my 2c. not that guy.

>unit specific to hit modifiers.
or you could just make WS matter more?

>high toughness better against high strength
No it makes Toughness much better than strength due to the difficulty of acquiring S8+ and the relative ease of finding T4-6. Mostly just makes T3 even more awful than T4 since things like autocannons, scatter lasers and all other high-volume firepower will wound T3 on 2+ and space marines on 3+.

>game designers to put all of a units rules in one place and add some more granularity in design to each unit
Have you seen the Thousand sons dataslate?
What does death to the false emperor do? Because it sure as fuck isn't on their dataslate. How many points does a unit of 10+1 thousand sons cost? Also missing from the dataslate. They haven't improved in the slightest since you still have to refer to 3+ locations for every single unit.

>The move stat is the best thing....
I don't know if you know this, but there was more than 1 way of moving in 7th/6th/5th/4th. Terminators have slow and purposeful while eldar have fleet and can both run and shoot. There were even units that could do things like move 12" or even more! You even had units that could move in the assault phase even if they weren't charging.
Replacing all that with M values isn't a bad idea to reduce complexity but don't you dare pretend that Initiative wasn't one of the most flavorful stats in the game.

>morale
I don't think it bogged down the game but also have no problem with giving people old fearless universally. Plus, my current melee army is already operating more or less under those rules (daemons).

>Save modifiers
People have been calling for these forever. I do not see an issue here.

>Is not that big of a deal when a guardsman has a maybe 1% chance to take a single wound off a 12+ wounds land raider
That is a reasonable event. I don't like the fact that a LoC can be oneshot by a demolisher or other nonsense like that though.

>>53231496

Yes. Low model count games are the best kind of games anyway, don't fall for the BIG ARMY scheme.

>>53232573
>Wasting ammunition on dead men
0/11 Would not die with

>>53233349
If you se a dogshit on the ground do you pick that up and show it to people as well?

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>>53233349

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So guys, I made a thing, what do you think?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mapDfXiVLBI

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>>53233349
>Video is almost 1,5 years old
>hehe, I know, I'll post it in the 40kg for a massive supply of (you)s
Here, for you.

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>>53233378
>>53233392
I was watching some vids who were nice and just dealt with 40k. but it seems everything has to be a SJW vs anit-SJW war now adays

>>53233384
very

>>53233411
no you don't know you are a big dumb clown hmpf
>crosses eldar arms

>>53233431
what

>>53233429
Mercy is a legitimate use of the Emperor's ammunition.

how many killa kans and dreds will I be able to run in 8th?

>>53233496
not why I did it but ok smarty

>>53233514
you can field as many as you want, big boy

>>53233514
All of them. I don't think there will be a limit on how many units are allowed to run, though it is in the movement phase rather than the shooting phase.

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>>53233504
>Not using your Emperor given ammunition to kill his enemies and avenge your fallen comrades

>>53232733
>soi soi motherfucker

>>53233501
There are plenty of stupid things on the internet. We don't even need a galaxy spanning Imperium for that. But you don't need to share them here. Especially when the whole point is that it's shit no one should care about.

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>>53231606

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>>53233538
OH YOU

>>53233415
>Replacing all that with M
Except their not doing that, we already know that battle focus is still in so in all likelihood we are getting all the old movement rules while also having base movement that varies from unit to unit.
No longer will a slow and plodding plague marine be exactly as fast as and Eldar harlequinn base.

>Have you seen the Thousand sons dataslate?
It's quite clear that what they posted isn't even close to the real thing, it's clearly a cut down version they made for the preview.

>or you could just make WS matter more?
You could but the current system is also fine and I get why they were trying to get rid of all the charts for stat comparison.
Though this system does allow you to more easily do things that affect hit chances asymmetrically.

>>53233580
>It's quite clear that what they posted isn't even close to the real thing, it's clearly a cut down version they made for the preview.
explain

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time to fix up all my old orks. I haven't played regularly since 5th edition (which was probably my favorite out of playing 2nd-7th)

I'm excited for 8th, I've missed 40k

>>53231496
Play shadow war

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>>53233600

>>53231714

thought everyone who cares a little for the setting knows that.

>>53233600
Humm Not THAT's a potential use for the Tiger II I got in my used lot.

>>53231714
roaches moved into anatolia in the 10th century ad
he's most likely a Hittite

>>53233605
Search for that shit youself, I ain't spoon feeding you you big baby.

>>53231118

> He saved the thumbnail.

You've just fucking ruined my day.

>>53232972
Oh, don't worry, we'll only see Ultramarines from here on out!

>>53233551
The Emperor is no pauper. We need not be so miserly as to deny His soldiers a quick death. Besides, dying soldiers can be worse for morale than dead ones. Commissars have been mercy-killing forever.

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>>53233605

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Question. How normal would it be for noise marines to keep their Emperor's children iconography? I got some kakophoni modles from FW but plan to use them in 40k rather than 30k and I'm wondering if I should keep the wing and claw shoulder pads or swap them out. I'm leaning towards keeping them.

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>>53233648

>>53233238
>How so?
>only that sadly GW isn't giving them some love with better molds and stuff
You answered your own question.

>>53231347

No, those units will just get more wounds.

When a warhound Titan has like 70 wounds and is T12 you're not going to give a single shit about lasguns shooting at it.

>>53233623
It's a game for children, and young people tend to be left-wing.

>>53233691
keep 'em man, it looks ace, and it wouldnt be too weird for some to keep their legion colours.

I'm doing the exact same thing with my EC army, cause fuck pink

>>53233722
lets not do this

>>53231452

That means literally nothing though. Only an idiot for example would be afraid of charging his unit into some grots out of fear that the grots will win.

Probability always trumps anecdotes.

>>53233710
That would make them a "bad" choice for anybody, has nothing to do with being a chick

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>>53233724
>fuck pink
anon do you even like the best color?

>>53233669
>mercy-killing
After all, isn't that what a Commissar is doing when they shoot a coward? Those men were already dead inside.

>>53233623

I dont get your question.

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>>53233580
> they were trying to get rid of all the charts for stat comparison.

You do realize the new S vs T is just a chart presented based on the rules it follows rather than graphically?
They probably did that because they realized nobody used the S/T chart and instead rendered the system down based on the rules they defined for it.

>>53233752
If they're a bad choice for anybody, then they are by extension a bad choice for female gamers.

>>53233766
I like it,but i dont the way it looks on some painted minis i've seen online.
I do pink highlights tho

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>>53233766
>best color
>not green
Gitz gonna git

>>53232264
>backtracking
>cryingbaby.png

>>53233077

I've explained this before faggot: it's the colors.

Women like to play Tyranids and Daemons more then anything because of their color pallettes and somewhat more abstract, organic designs.

>>53233867
>green is best color
>posts image of a red scrapheap
???

>>53233238
Low quality molds and literally the only force that has all females and they are still subserviant to a man, the emperor.

Basically GW is saying the only strong woman faction for humanity are those who devote themselves to the patriarchy.

Are there female guardsman? Sure, but GW doesn't make models for them. You'll need to buy from a third party.

>>53233415
> but don't you dare pretend that Initiative wasn't one of the most flavorful stats in the game
are you delusional ? initiative made 0 sense for anything but initiative tests and weapons that reduced your initiative to 1 causing you to strike last
in 7th the melee fase is a dice rolling fest that could just as easily be automated , nothing you do, aside from maybe calling a challenge will affect the result of it in any way, it was boring and heavily favored high initiative factions. rapid movements should be represented in a higher weapon skill.
The two "flavorful" stats , T and S are still in, which is a huge relief

>>53233818
Any rules that compare values based on certain parameters could be made to use a chart, the difference is that this one can also be elegantly be explained through text alone.
By contrast, the old wound chart was mostly like that but was weirdly arbitrary at the edges and the old WS chart was just nonsense.

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>>53233862
it can look bad sometimes I painted my marines classic black and pink but I understand


>>53233867
smelly greenskin


>>53233889
so liking bright colors means you are a women?

>>53233691
considering they still call themselves emps chilluns to mock him i don't see why they wouldn't keep the iconography either

>>53233889
But anon my nids are a nice dark tan.

>>53234005
>Blacked.jpeg

>>53233238
Male to female "chicks" don't count anon.

>>53233405
>feminists are just a special breed of SJW
>Not SJWs are just a special breed of feminists
Most feminists I know are pretty chill about things. SJWs, like most radical idealists, push things too far.

>>53233077
Bright colors and giving birth.

>>53233933
the old wound chart was still explainable by words
start at 4+ to wound for equal S/T
+1 for each point of T above the S with a 7+ reverting to a 6+ and an 8+ being impossible
-1 for each point of S above T down to a minimum of 2+
weapon skill was the tough one

>>53233939
>so liking bright colors means you are a women?
Yes.

>>53234032
Maybe I just only met the wrong kind then.

>>53234032
Exactly. Hell, in Europe, where we don't have too many crazy SJW, sensible feminists don't like them, since it gives them a bad name. Just like well integrated and hard working immigrants or children of will hate the rowdy newcomers with a passion, because they get to lose hard earned credibility because of people being shitbags.

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>>53234071
kek

>>53234067
>weapon skill was the tough one
Not really, weapon skill is easier. Opponent WS is double yours 5+ to hit, then below that untill equal 4+, if lower then 3+. Bit boring actually, it's almost always 4+ or 3+.

>>53234067
>7+ reverting to a 6+
This is what I meant about it getting weird at the edges.
Just saying 4+ at equal, 3+ at greater strength, 5+ at greater toughness, 2+ at double strength and 6+ at double toughness is a lot simpler.

>>53232030
More diverse Tau Auxiliaries, official Gue'vesa support hopefully... Who am I kidding, we're gonna get more Battlesuits and Farsight.

>>53234067
>weapon skill was the tough one
If your ws is greater you hit on 3+
If your ws is equal or worse you hit on 4+
If your ws is less than half of your target you hit on 5+

lotr sbg wound chart took a while to get used to

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>>53234071

But everything used to be bright back in the days when it was grimderp instead of grimdark.

>>53234108
oh i do agree with you
just saying that the old S/T system was not all that hard to comprehend whereas the WS usually required us to open up the reference
>>53234106
heh you're right i'dd never noticed that

>>53231359
no cus sisters are going to get squatted and honestly deserve to be.

>>53234071
So why aren't they all playing space marines?

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>>53234071
>>53234164
>>53234175
wait was he being serious I thought he as trolling

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>>53231854
>>53232076

>>53233939
>so liking bright colors means you are a women?
I seem to remember women having an increased sensibility towards colours explained by having the role of gatherers when humans were hunters-gatherers

but I don't know how much of that is pseudoscience

>>53234207
>pseudoscience
the difference, while statistically significant, is trivial in magnitude

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>>53234203
i wish i could use pocket sand on all the shitposters

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>>53234207
i'm a male and love bright vibrant colors and flamboyant designs and I think that might be pseudoscience pink happens to be my favourite color

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>>53233072
You take as many of the xeno scum with you as you can, soldier. Learn from your defeats and improve if you can, but above all... keep fighting.

>>53234164
Because everyone was gay back then. How do you think stuff lile disco and Saturday night fever happened?

>>53234169

More like they deserve to be folded into a single codex alongside the Inquisition, Grey Knights, Imperial Knights and Deathwatch like ye olden days of 3rd Edition where they were just clumped into a list with Imperial support elements before Codex creep ruined the game forever.

>>53234207
Oh yes, being able to spot blue berries among dark grene leaver, or telling unripe orange from ripe red berries as opposed to being able to judge distance and trajectories.

>>53234245
But can you tell hot pink from magenta and fuchsia?

>>53234207
Women are less likely to be colour blind, and more likely to be the opposite (having extra types of cones on their retina) - though whether that actually makes them more colour sensitive isn't proven.

Mostly it's just training. Average women spend more time fussing about colours than men, so they are better at spotting differences.

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>>53233072
Because the Emperor protects. Always.

>>53233238
traps dont count as chicks.

>>53234231
Some color distinctions reside in X chromosome so in average women will be better at colour than men by simply having more chance to get those genes.

Same as color blind you are more likely to be color blind as man than as a women.

Why this happens? The fuck if I know evolution is random as fuck. Pandas exist and they are bloody carnivores that eat giant grass. Hell they are so lazy that their reproduce almost by accident

>>53234164

i hope someone paints some nu marines like that

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>>53234245
>i love vibrant colors and flamboyant designs
im right with you family

>>53234309
Panda's are actually that lazy because they get so little sustenance from eating bamboo that they need to save as much energy as they can. So they do as little as possible.

Pandas as a species seem to have decided to commit honourable sudoku at some point or something.

Is Age of Sigmar fun? Thinking of picking it up because way more grills play it.

>>53234327
Well their armor is new, fresh out of the factotum, and shiny so it should be bright and bold.

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>>53234327

It's still the way I paint Marines to this day, simply because it was how I was taught Marines should be painted when I first started playing 40K.

I never paint anything crusty looking or dirty or battle damaged, because the setting is dumb and should be treated as the hilarious heavy metal album cover parody setting it actually is.

>>53234369
no its terrible, but im also still butthurt over whf being killed. i miss my giant blocks and wheeling and just everything about fantasy.

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>>53234245
Pink is my favorite color, too.

>>53234397
I really want GW to bring back cyboar riders. I always loved those models.

>>53234369
Ask their general.

If you want girlgame malifail's your best bet.

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>>53232227

>when sister fags think they speak for everyone

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>>53234397
>I never paint anything crusty looking or dirty or battle damaged, because the setting is dumb and should be treated as the hilarious heavy metal album cover parody setting it actually is.
I'm slowly getting to love the bright and saturated colour schemes like that too

to the point I'm planning to update my nids to follow a colour scheme I suggested to another anon some threads ago

>>53233746
is he wrong though?

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>>53234330
>>53234408
my brothers!


>>53234288
good question atm probably no but ill get to know the colors better thanks

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>Unstoppable Ferocity: +1S and Attack whether you charge or get charged
SEEMS LIKE DEAD MEN WANT TO LEAVE THEIR GRAVES
POINT TO EVERYTHING THEY LOVE TO HATE
BROKEN SKULLS REFLECTIONS ON THE GROUND
EXECUTION BLOOD BENEATH THE WALLS

>>53234397
I always feel like the more dull, dirty, and battle damaged color schemes are so popular because they're pretty easy ways to cover up a lack of painting skill which is why I use them for a lot of models

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Is Khaine best dad or bestest dad? I don't remember the Emperor hugging any of his sons.

>>53234288
>>53234483
just looked them up they are all gorgeous colors but the difference is easy to see

>>53234498
emperor had had many children before his primarchs whom he hugged

>>53234498
Khaine might be the best, or even bestest, dad, but Slaanesh will always be the best daddy.

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>>53234463

Brightnids best nids.

>>53234397
>>53234489
I mean, if you're gonna claim grimdark means gritdark, and bitch about the lack of muted colors or realistic weathering on someone's minis, I'm gonna bitch about the Earth-like terrain you based your mini with despite the fact that your chapter isn't fighting on Terra. Even if they were, Terra doesn't have Earth-like terrain anymore.

>>53234521
I dunno about that. Alivia Sureka, who was a fellow Perpetual of the Emperor and companion to him since the days of ancient Terra, was sterile. Perhaps all Perpetuals are sterile.

>>53234521
>>53234498
I wouldn't hug my tools either.

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>>53234561
then explain daughters of the emperor

>>53234575
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOC4RrNRnBs

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>that moment when you realize the Emperor was space Allah all along

>>53234554
That's not really the issue. Model your shit how you like. It's just annoying that GW seems to prefer muted, sombre palettes these days when the old bright ones suit the absurdity of the setting better. It's literally just the "Why do they seem to take this shit so seriously these days?" complaint about paints.