/wfg/ Warhammer Fantasy (Battle) General

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>>53200370
>Stormcucks / Samecast / Snorecast / Borecast / Lamecast
reminder

>>53200370
This is one of the stupidest fantasy pictures I have ever seen. It is basically a parody at this point.a

anyone having trouble with the MEGA link? Keeps looping the "accessing folder data" thing and slowing my browser to a crawl. Had no problems last week,

Anyone know of any cooperative games that would work with Warhammer models? Maybe a dungeon crawl or something?

>>53201321
Dungeon Saga probs.

>>53200370
It's pretty awful. I'd rather watch a Coca Cola ad than this.

>>53201210
I was having problems, then I tried opening it in an incognito window and it worked fine.

>>53201544
thanks brah, that worked

>>53200370
off topic posting is a rule violation

>>53201637
The topic is traditional games. AoS is a traditional game

>>53200370
This looks like it's from a phone game.

>>53201686
And it's got nothing to do with the topic of this general. Take your le ironic shitposting somewhere else.

>>53201686
the topic of this thread is warhammer fantasy battles

age of skubmar is not warhammer fantasy battles

>>53201718
You realize that by having made this a "Warhammer Fantasy Battles" general instead of the usual Warhammer Fantasy General, OP is just a shit-stirrer inviting End Times shitposting anyway, right?

interesting how a thread about wfb is just talking about sigmar. time to bury wfb entirely? the interest in it seems extinct.

>>53202726
we have minis to paint while you have nothing to do but shitpost

If I wrote headcanon about a Bretonnian colony off the coast of Lustria, would anyone want to read it?

>>53202754
funny how you're shitposting rather than painting then. faggot.

>>53202830
superior game for superior minds. unlike these other faggots who are holding onto this corpse harder than kemmler after a night on the town.

in a 2000 point battle how are these people i'm watching using two lords? You're supposed to only get 1 lord at 2000 points, i thought?

>>53202770
Sure.

There's a lot of neat ideas to be explored when you consider how many Old World colonies there might be, both in Lustria and the Southlands.

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>>53202694
Why?

Next OP I will add "no end-times" to the thread rules if it's going to cause this much autism. I never realized shitposters could be so legalistic.

why did gw never update beastmen/bretonnia/skaven army books?

>>53203018
>I never realized shitposters could be so legalistic.

Welcome to the internet. And yes, the distinctions are important. By calling it Warhammer Fantasy Battles and/or not excluding the End Times/Age of Sigmar setting, you cannot claim that the shitposters are breaking any rules, because, well, they're not.

Is there a list of official end times rules that override previous rules but not the optional shit like khaine magic and undead legions etc

>>53203263
Why do they think that adding the word "Battle" to the thread entitles them to discuss games that are not WFB? I can understand trying to weasle the end times shit into the thread since technically, that is part of Fantasy Battle, but AoS is a completely separate game and has its own general anyway.

If you see any attention-seeking retards trying to shitpost AoS in this thread, just report and then ignore them.

>>53201717
What the fuck are you talking about? That wasn't me. The topic rule doesn't go thread to thread, newfag, it's per board

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Can we please get back to actually discussing the games listed in OP instead of arguing about which games NOT mentioned we should be forced to put up with people shitting up the thread with?

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>>53200168
I've redone this homebrew where I changed the attacks system and dual-wielding system. What does everyone think?

This might sound like a total noob question regarding war gaming in general, but do people normally make up some kind of cheat-sheet to keep track of all of their units' stats? It seems like it would be a bit of a pain to have to reference a book or PDF and do the math every time you need to make a roll.

>>53203352
If the game is not mentioned in the opening post, then this is not the thread to discuss it in. Take your cancer somewhere else (as long as it's not the 40k general).

>>53204011
yes. theres a free app called battlescribe that lets you print army lists, you can make/print your own spreadsheets, or you can buy armybuilder and print from there

>>53202770
Just do it if you enjoy writing it

Approval from a bunch of anonymous posters is secondary

>>53204088
Nice. I didn't know Battlescribe let you print.

>>53204011
the armybooks had a page in the back where each of the unit's stats were detailed

you also could just make your own especific for your army

>>53202929

500 point of lord, actually.

This usually means 1 lord, but most armies can fiddle around to bring a level 4 spellcaster and a good-ish combat lord (expecially horde armies like Skaven or Bestmen).

>>53204268
It's mostly all the potential / conditional modifiers I'm worried about. That stuff is easy to keep track of in an RPG where you have a character sheet, but in a war game you have a bunch of different units and there's not a standard equivalent of a character sheet to keep track of them with.

>>53203208

Beastmen and bretonnia because they were honestly a mess, and needed a big overhaul (even if all that the beastmen needed was access to marks and a bit of discount on troops).

Skaven was probably scheduled late, since their 7th edition army book was published right before 8th edition hit the shelves.

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>>53204304
was the 1 lord maximum a 7th edition thing? pic from my beastmen army book pdf

>>53204317
Releasing an updated army book right before the next edition comes out is a pretty dick move. Then again it's GeW we're talking about.

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The problem that happens when people don't make a new thread before the old one falls off page 10 is that it means no-one can post a link to the new thread in the old one, which means that people who had the old thread in their favorites / bookmark won't have a link to the new thread in the archived old thread. If they go to look for the new thread manually, it might be an hour or two before anyone bothers making a new one because everyone expects someone to make the new thread without having to do it themselves.

I don't know the first thing about making post bots to get OPs queued up, other than that it would require a 4chan pass to work. I think what we need is some community responsibility-- if you enjoy these generals and you're the first to notice that the current one is past the bump limit, has fallen past page 5, and no-one has made a new thread yet, rather than simply asking if someone is going to make a new thread just go ahead and post one. As long as you don't do something stupid like unilaterally fuck with the OP rules and/or mention ET or AoS nothing bad is going to happen.

>>53204973
*I should append that the one instance in which it's okay to mention End Times in the OP is to say "no End Times."

>>53204317
8e lasted for like 5 years though how did they not get around to updating 2 80 page army books

>>53202936
They're playing a bad edition.

>>53205058
It's a good thing they didn't.

>Skaven without Doomrocket

>>53205187
skaven were fine, beastboys and brets were not

>>53204973
I get what you're saying, but it's fine if things are languishing for a little while before a new thread is made. I remember there was a point where threads were so slow and even dying there was serious consideration of just making /wfb/ a weekend general. Compared to that, a few hours without isn't that bad.

But yes, people just making threads if they see there's no thread is a good idea. At worst you get another thread that causes confusion for a bit until one's decided to be the one people want to post in. But I don't feel like that actually needs to be said most of the time.

>>53205058
Might've been like the scenario that supposedly happened to squats - they didn't know what to do with them since they'd backed themselves into a creative corner. Only they didn't technically repeat the Squats mistake because they probably were planning on killing off the setting by that point, and it was more okay to drag those factions along til the end.

>>53204361
yes it was

>>53205140
why the hateboner for 8th?

>>53204052
Dude I am not the guy who posted about AoS. I am pointing out that you do not understand the rules of this website. Return to reddit.

dont forget to thin your paints

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Please remember is that the best option is ignoring shit, not fanning it further.

If I can be a stupid faggot, I legitimately cannot understand how the Dark Elves are supposed to have even a somewhat cohesive kingdom, and armies that don't devolve into backstabbery in the middle of the campaign/battle. It's like everything they're known for is suddenly off the table when they're fighting, which really only makes sense in a 'work together to survive against overwhelming odds' scenario.

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tfw watching jay's painting vids

>>53206441
They're just a bunch of (((evil fucks))) that like being around other (((evil fucks))) . It's not that unrealistic, there have been plenty of (((evil groups))) that manage to keep their shit together long enough to cooperate

>>53200168
Does anyone have that homebrew for Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay in Estalia?

>>53206441
>>53207345
Especially when they have a common target. Never forget, even the most uncivilized and savage groups can easily be made to co-operate if you give them something to kick the crap out of that they can all agree is acceptable.

>>53205325
I think wfb threads hit their all-time low sometime following GW's abandoning of the game, but they have been climbing back upwards since then. I remember back then I was trying to keep them going and kind of gave up on it, and then I came back a month or so ago and to my surprise these threads have been a pretty regular staple on /tg/ again, which filled me will all kinds of joy and motivation to do Warhammer stuff again. I think Total Warhammer was a huge shot of medicine in the arm for the community because it's got people talking an excited about Warhammer Fantasy again, which has spilled over into the table top games even though GW doesn't support them anymore.

>>53203964
I've been enjoying the old one so far.

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>>53207632
You mean this one? It's actually newer, and unfinished.

>>53202936

In 8th edition there is no limit to the number you can have but you can only spend 25% of your points on Lords.

What caused all the autism in this thread? I see the first post was deleted.

>>53209490
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/53200168/#53200370

easy (You) fodder shitpost

>>53209521

Ugh, I expected more.

>>53209521
based mods acting on the reports

>>53203279

I don't think there were many revisions in the ET.

They mainly related to new 'formations' that combined factions.

>>53204011

For the most part people played one army and after a few games you would remember the rules of the top of your head.

Alternatively, yes some people would photocopy the references. I would sometimes do this for games I played irregularly.

>>53210444
>>53210444
i know one of them listed was that beastmen ambush no longer required an equivalent unit to be on the field already, was just wondering if there were more like that

>>53206441

All Elves have an intense racial superiority complex. If they are fighting any other race they will put all objections aside.

>>53210495

Ah right, I must admit that I have never read the ET and probably won't for the foreseeable future.

I believe Nagash allowed Tomb Kings to march. as well.

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/wfg/! What is best in Warhammer Fantasy novels?

>>53210594
Watching Nagash get the dick salpped out of his mouth every 1000 years or so.

What's funny is he deserves the win, there is literally no reason he shouldn't have won any of the battles he fought, but he gets dicked over every time by some random mook popping out of the wilderness to fuck his shit for no other reason than Nagash needs a foil.

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I wanted to share my dark elf progress. These threads have inspired me to finally finish painting my fantasy backlog. In the past month I have completed 4 regiments (still unbased though). These corsairs are my latest completed.

How do you guys handle banners? I suck at freehand, but seeing all the empty space just bothers me and I'm trying to find simple things to fill them with?

>>53211154
real nice looking

>>53206441
They only really get together in a big Campaign when Malekith is behind it, since he's the one unifying force in Naggaroth. Without him, the Great Houses would rip the land apart.

>>53210594
Well, time to watch conan again.

>>53210594
William Gibson's Gotrek & Felix novels

>>53205810
1. it's bad
2. it sucks
3. I don't like it

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Is Vermintide just a complete rip off of left 4 dead?

>>53210594
Gotrek and Felix

>>53202770
Yes.

>>53205810
8th is kinda shit.

>>53202770
It would be a curious read

>>53203570
Sick banner!

>>53212322
>frostgrave barbarians
Nice choice there. They're great sculpts.

>>53212353
They truly are. I'm glad by LFGS stocks them.

Also how did my pic end up so blurry ?

>>53212322
nice

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>>53211989
>melee combat focused
>some levels are downright pretty
>characters actually mean more than simple voice responses
>tankfights actually hard because it always comes with an entourage
>loot
>secret shit to be found on every level
>lore bits to be found on every level
>surprisingly good lobby system

I'd say "L4D inspired"
I played through all of L4D, L4D2, and know fairly little about WHF... yet I like it a tiny bit better than L4D overall.

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>>53202770
I'm interested.

>>53211154
>How do you guys handle banners?
I would just basecoat the banner, lightly drybrush it until the desired texture, draw the banner itself with a "fine-tip pen" (or with the finest brush I could find) with the highlight colors prevalent in the army, and last unify it with a shade of choice

Those elves are looking great, especially so for Rank&File troops, keep it up anon!

>>53211154
The heavy layering you've done on the banner is actually very impressive, much better than the classic coat/wash I see so often. Looks like a Blanche illustration, almost. If you don't want to freehand, you can always look into transfer decals. That said, keep experimenting with the background of the flag as it is now, I think you're on to something.

>>53200168
Whats the best book to start the Gotrek and Felix series off with? And which is their definative book?

>>53210444
Because endtimes is literally just a campaign supplement for 8th. Only triggered grongards on this Croatian rug trading forum are delusional enough to try to say it's a different setting/part of Age of sigmar

>>53211154

Looks good, I wouldn't say your freehand is that bad.

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>>53211989

Yes, but it's better than L4D.

>>53214779
Yup. I enjoyed reading how the end of the world would play out. Knowing how it ends (as it inevitably would at some point, all worlds do) doesn't invalidate the whole timeline before it.


I'm still totally happy to set stories and campaigns in the world before the End Times, it's a pretty long timeline with plenty of room to do whatever. End Times eventually happening doesn't invalidate my dudes any more than (for example) the Siege of Terra eventually happening invalidates playing and telling stories of the Horus Heresy.

>>53214716

Probably Trollslayer which is the first one.

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Tell me about how much the individual Normal dudes matter in this setting. Tell me why I should care about anything when irrelevant towns like this are brought up just to make another faction look better. Nothing matters in this setting, it's just here for war gaming

>>53216939

The problem is, we did have an alternative setting in a post storm of chaos scenario that up until ET was the canon setting (ie. 7th and 8th edition were just set before the SoC). So for anyone playing Role-play 2nd edition their character and setting have been invalidated.

So I think it's perfectly fine if people want to forget ET ever existed.

>>53216954
>8th Edition globetrotter armies
gee I dunno, maybe it's a shitty 40k inspired shitfest?

>>53216954

> Ubersreik
> Random

Ubersreik has been brought up many times.

There was a WFRP book set their and Vermintide is set their.

Also, if you need help empathising with other humans then you have problems.

>>53216996
>It's 40k fault of the globetrotter

Spotted the grognard, say hi

>>53217026

there*

>>53217028
40k has armies zipping all across the galaxy, so the nu-gw writers thought Fantasy Armies zipping across the globe, read any 8thed lore snippets and you'll find armies in places they have no business being, especially the tomb kangz

>>53216971
Storm of Chaos didn't really change the setting at much though. It was pretty inconsequential.

>>53217078
You do have to justify the various armies fighting each other somehow

>>53217083

The Empire, especially Ostland and other northern provinces were in crisis.

>>53217097
Why? I want Empire vs Chaos or orcs or high elves vs dark elves all the time. All other races are NPC and should be treated as such

>>53217097
there's better ways to do that than having them fucking around the whole world.

>>53217078
40k has armies zipping all across galaxy because they fucking can you cuck.

>>53217164
no shit sherlock, I don't care about armies zipping around in 40k, but it doesn't work in Fantasy. You fucking nigger.

>>53217156
Explain to me how two armies are going to fight each other without travelling to be in the same place

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>>53216954
This particular paragraph is complete bullshit and doesn't make any sense. That's 8th edition for you.

But Ubersreik and Grunburg specifically are well detailed and date back to the earliest editions so suck a dick.

>>53217386
I don't see how the greatest necromancer other than Nagash creating a bridge of bones doesn't make any sense.

>>53217386
>>53217480
>it doesn't agree with my view of how warhammer is supposed to be so it must be wrong REEEEE

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>>53216954
I don't really know what to tell you. A town or village getting razed adds weight to the battles being fought, and even big cities like Altdorf or Nuln can risk getting invaded. Normal dudes are important because they're the guys making up your armies, and they're the civilians that you're fighting for at home, or are being threatened by an attack. If you can't care about that, you aren't forced to, but then you're just bashing armies together without even any fictional stakes to the fight to make it more fun or interesting.

>>53216954
>2141
>Steam tanks

GW in charge of their own fluff.

>>53217969
Steam Tanks are like elves, there is as many of them as plot demands. t. Gav Thorpe.

>>53217995
That actually would have been a better explanation. Saying there are only 12, 8 by Karl Franz reign, is even more retarded because now it's just the same few tanks which aren't even as deadly as monsters in the setting showing up to all the major battles and getting destroyed constantly. Steam tanks would make more sense if there were at least 50-100 of them spread throughout the empire in various states of repair

>>53217480
>>53217688
It's not so much the bridge of bones (although that would need to be a hell of a bridge), it's the fact that the Tomb King managed an invasion on the scale of Grom the Paunch or Gorbad Ironclaw by entering the Empire in the south and moving all the way up to Reikland at the heart of the Empire to sack two specific cities. Except this invasion, unlike, say, the Vampire Wars or the Great War Against Chaos is only mentioned in a tiny sidebar designed to give Tomb Kings an excuse to fight the Empire.

Asavar Kul, with all the might of the chaos hordes only managed to sack Praag before being destroyed. But some Literally Whotep got right to Altdorf because he was pissed about someone breaking his stuff.

When did manfred write the liber necris?

>>53218411
After the Storm of Chaos.

At the very end of the book he mentions being defeated by the 'resurrected Theogonist of Sigmar'.

>>53217386
>Blackadder reference
kek.

>>53217097
>>53217125
>>53217156
Some of the best moments of Warhammer Fantasy are when there's times of peace.

40k is a perpetual state of war, and while Chaos always wants to kill everyone who isn't on their side and the Orcs are hostile-neutral at best and the Skaven always want to overthrow everyone up top, the other nations of the world aren't always at war.

It's a popular misconception that in WHF everyone is at war all the time.

Even in 40k the Imperium's made truces and even temporary alliances with the Eldar and Tau in the past, and some Ork groups offer services as mercenaries and traders to these three factions as well.

WHF especially isn't perpetual, unending war, it's just that when war happens it's brutal and lasts a long time, the most recent exception being the Storm of Chaos where Archaon the Neverchosen fucked up worse than Abbadon and had the biggest invasion force of Chaos in a long time get wiped out because of the sheer willpower of the hummens and their alliance.

BTFO'd in just over a year.

>>53219657
>some of the best moments of Warhammer Fantasy are when there's times of peace
Yeah, all those novels and campaign supplements about peasants farming or noble intrigue in court are so riveting

>>53218265
There's over 2000 years of imperial history and even more for all the other factions. All but the major events are just sidebars

>>53220314
>Yeah, all those novels and campaign supplements about peasants farming or noble intrigue in court are so riveting

They are, unless you have ADHD.

>>53220314
It's not that a lack of war automatically means peace - there's still greenskin attacks, beastmen raids, small cases of civil strife or cult activity. It's just not that there's always a war going on between every faction all the time - there's a distinct difference between a Chaos invasion and Norse coastal raiding, or Bretonnia and the Empire having a few border skirmishes and an outright war.

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>>53220314
>Yeah, all those novels and campaign supplements about peasants farming or noble intrigue in court are so riveting
the best Felix and Gotrek Stories happened previous to the SoC.

The most interesting stories are always of Adventurers exploring an arduous world, instead of shitty mary sues and their self pitying road to world ending.

>>53220314
>There's over 2000 years of imperial history and even more for all the other factions. All but the major events are just sidebars
Sure, but an army of animated statues marching all the way from Nehekhara, crossing the Black Mountains on a magic bridge of bones, moving up through the Empire's most populous provinces and then sacking two cities near the capital surely counts as a 'major event'.

It's obvious what happened. Someone wanted an excuse for the Tomb Kings to invade the Empire. They thought of a cool little story, picked some names off the map, placed it far enough in the past that it didn't fuck anything up too much and called it a job well done.
The problem is, it doesn't make any sense geographically and it's not building off any pre-existing background. It's just there. Random and unelaborated on.

>Yeah, all those novels and campaign supplements about peasants farming or noble intrigue in court are so riveting
I guess you're not a big fan of WFRP then.

>>53219657
I agree with you.

That is, however, nothing to do with what we were talking about.

>>53220314
The best Warhammer novel Dead Winter has no war scenes in it.

>never really "got" the appeal of Fantasy (40kid)
>play Vermintide
>...
>wtf I love Fantasy now!

Goddamn why didn't I jump on the train earlier when I could've be delivering honest steel into the heart of ratmen for years before geedubs killed it?

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>>53221478
worry not my child, the teachings of 6th ED are eternal. If you only accept it's teachings, any previous sin will be washed away, for it is the most merciful of Editions.

Repeat after me, I shall have no Edition besides 6th Ed.

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SKARSNIK, WARLORD OF EIGHT PEAKS IS ______________. ????

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>>53221665
da bess

>>53221665
green

>>53221665
>>53221720
CA nailed the gobbo voices perfectly
>perfect mix of mischief, snivelling cowardliness and malice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVqAVwOBsCA

>look for warhammer lewds on paheal.
>first pic is isabella with a futa cock
I-I guess we are getting non furry fanart now.

>tfw the Gotrek and Felix books just don't feel the same after William King stopped writing them

Any of the other series worth looking into? Also, what is everyone's favourite G&F book? Mine is Skavenslayer.

Anyone have that image with all the skaven clans, both major and minor? Finally got an army and want to make my guys flavored as my group usually has RP style campaigns with the mini battles. Just need some inspiration.

Also: have there been any major plots with skaven against wood elves? I only know they had allied with dark elves a couple times and chaos, but I'm looking for angles for battles, ect. I just can't think of what the rats would want from trees.

>>53222349
there have been no major conflicts between Skaven and Welfs exclusively, but the Welfs would be supporting the Brets in any major Skaven invasion.

>>53222349
Don't have the pic, but check the mega in OP, the book is in Fantasy/Background/Skaven Uniforms and Heraldry

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>>53222349
I have the image for you, at least. But I can't really give a good answer to Skaven that would fight the wood elves.

hey speaking of wood elves, I wish to voice my general angst in regards to finding the rare, almost legendary male wood elf spellsinger.


Does anyone know when the this guy was casted?, I really want to aquire him but he is harder to find than unit variety in aos.

>>53223202
Clan fester can be added to it, fyi.

>>53223563
They're on there, in the minor clans section.

>>53218078

They do move around the Empire and do tours to where they are most needed. The way I see it, as long as their isn't more than 12 on a table at one time there isn't a problem.

>>53212058
>>53211851
was 6th not infantry blocks charging at each other? idk if magic changed from 6e to 7e but 7e magic was awful and 8e was a much welcome improvement there. also pre-measuring being illegal was retarded because people would just cheat and say they were measuring for something else to see if they were in charge range.

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>empire of man
>doesn't even cover the majority of the old world
>majority of land is beastmen infested forest
>wasn't even a single political entity for the majority of its existence
>got most of its good shit from dwarfs and elves

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA get fucked white bois

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>>53226277
>White
don't you know?
WE
WUZ
KAAAAAAAANGZ

>>53226311
Sigmar, founder of the empire of man, was a black man from the south lands. This is left out of current imperial history books by the white supremacist nobles because it would shatter their view on the founding of the empire.

>>53211989
with better melee

>>53226277
That map is a good reminder that the Chaos Dwarfs lay claim to the largest amount of land in the northern old world.

>>53226277

> Implying we want Bretcucks and darkies in our Empire.

Sorry, looks like you don't qualify as a man.

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>>53221775
>WEZ BETTER DAN DEM

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>>53226523
>claim the largest amount of land in the old world
>still irrelevant as fuck

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So I was discussing in /wip/ >>53221110 the possibility of making a customized Mortis Engine with a pipe organ and a Warhammer version of the Phantom of the Opera driving it in place of a Necromancer. I have some ideas for how to do the model and am getting some suggestions in /wip/, but I want to know what you guys' thoughts are regarding lore for this character, because lore and fluff are fun.

Here's the basic idea I have so far. Make whatever suggestions you want, this is just some loose ideas.

>The Phantom was born with a facial disfigurement. After years of being mocked for his appearance, he devoted himself to music, to the point that he started performing dark magic involving the blood of young women in order to become a master.
>He ended up impressing the Von Carnsteins with his skill. Vlad employed him as maestro of his court orchestra, and eventually the Von Carnsteins made him into a vampire so that they could listen to his music forever.
>Unfortunately, because the phantom was disfigured from birth, his deformity carried with him into immortality, so he still wears a mask.
>He spent the years following his transformation perfecting the dark magic of music, and uses its power to aid his masters from atop a mortis engine.
>He still uses his music to seduce young women so that he may use them for his dark rituals, further developing the power of his music.

>>53221594
>For GW is dark and full of horrors

>>53221594

I like random change distance though.

Got rid of the 2nd to 4th turn shuffle.

>>53226523

> Blasted landscape as far as the eye can see.

Yep, I'm sure they're so happy to rule over this meaningless grey expanse.

>>53226372
Fuck off jamal

>>53226277
LONG LIVE BRETTONIA

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>>53228092
Its pronounced Bretonnia ye heathen.

>>53228129
Im a lowly peasant who can't even read your response, don't be so insensitive.

>>53227467
The idea of the disfigurement carrying over into vampirism is a bit extreme considering vampires can either reshape themselves or change the impression they give to people with a passive charm
I don't know how soon a vampire begins mastering these powers but I don't know how much time the phantom spent as a vampire either

otherwise it's solid, go for it


have you already thought about converting the spirits floating around the mortis engine to carry musical instruments?

>>53224804
6th ed was cavalry being actually useful and magic being actually fun without being overpowered. It was really all about movement, whereas 8th edition actually discourages you to do anything but march straight.

>>53226277
>Empire of man
Where the fuck is it called like that ?

>>53227891
>whaa whaa manoeuvering is too hard
>>53216717

>>53210594
Brunner the bounty hunter, Blackhearts trilogy, Tales of the Old World anthology. Those are some of my favourites.

>>53228827
7th edition magic was much more balanced because wizards only got to use their own power dice + the two free dice, so you couldn't take extra wizards just to generate more dice for your level 4. Cavalry was also at least nominally more balanced because great weapons only gave mounted characters +1S.

>>53228968
Yeah but 7th ed had the most awfully unbalanced army books ever.

>>53228983
No one plays the 7th with the 7th edition armybooks.

>>53226898
this.
tilean sluts are welcome.

>>53229290
Estalian dancing girls tho.

Ok guys I'm building an empire army for 8th edition and I have 2 units of handgunners, my questions are :

-Should I make one of them a unit of crossbow? I'll be fighting skaven, ogres and O&G

-Should I make them separate units or detachments units?

-Should I give the two markmen a hochland long rifle or give one of them a repeater handgun?

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>>53229566
>8th

>>53229566
don't mind the shitposter anon, my thought is if you don't want your empire guys to be a single loadout magnetise them.

In regards to enemies though, you will find crossbowers crunchwise better than handgunners against skaven and O&G , but handgunners in theory better against ogres.

However, do whatever's fun anon. if you really want 2 handgunner units no ones going to stop you just keep in mind they aren't as meta as you think as the move or shoot rule really hurts.. perhaps as a suggestion, unless one of the crossbowmen units is a mage bunker just run heaps of detachments of 5 unupgraded handgunners and or/xbowers as needed.

what else are you running btw? post pics?

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>>53228838
Right here in the BRB

>inb4 8th is AoS inspired by 40k, doesn't c-count!

>>53230088
It is a weird name, but if you think about it it makes some sense. Not as much sense as 'Empire of Sigmar,' but it could be considered /the/ Empire of Man, the only human empire in existence, rather than the empire of all humanity.

>>53230171
Cathay is a Human Empire.

>>53230498
In that case it's also known as 'The Empire of the Dragon' or 'the Grand Empire of Cathay.' Not treading on the toes of the idea of a human empire, technically.

Could also be 'Empire of Man, made by/for mankind' whereas Cathay was made by the Dragon Emperor, who is arguably an actual dragon.

Could also be that the setting is so Old World focused and the name of the Empire has become so iconic they just can't change it.

>>53229612
I like painting big creatures
>>53229727
Well the army has a general on griffon, a life wizard, 20 spearmen, 10 swordmen, 10 greatswords, 10 flagellants, a steam tank and 3 demigryph knights

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>>53230088
There's definitely something fucky about that wording.

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>>53227467
I like it.
If I were to add anything by it I would make him a sort of urban Näcken who lures women into his possession by the tunes of his mobile organ.
At an early age girls of the city are warned by their mothers that if they ever hear the sound of beautiful music coming from an seemingly empty street or place then for the gods' sake don't go towards it!

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>>53230808
the age of unreliable narrators is over, the rule of disembodied fact dispensers has come.

>>53230881
The only unreliable narrator out of those is the 6th edition one though.
The rest are fairly word-of-god.

why was 6th Ed so great lads? It can't only be my nostalgia.

>>53210594
Drachenfels

>>53230966
I have a stack of white dwarfs and campaign books sitting right here to tell me why it was so great, because it was a game being constantly supported and not an advertisement to sell more minis.
>>53227427
>>53227919
Not sure either the Chaos Dwarfs or their players care about either of these points, they are just gonna sit in their golden temples burning your kin in the fires of Hashut.
(that is both the C. Dwarfs and their players mind, very big on sacrifice those players.)

>>53230498
So is Nippon.

>>53200168
Wheres that art from?

>>53231268
Nippon is not empire but couple of divided feudal states, it doesn't have ruler.
>>53231371
End Times Archaon.

>>53228414
>have you already thought about converting the spirits floating around the mortis engine to carry musical instruments?
That's an awesome idea. If I do this project I will definitely try that.

If the disfigurement carrying over to his vampire form is too extreme I suppose it could go. Having the disfigurement prior would have definitely influenced his personality though, and perhaps he still wears the mask as a reminder. Basically he'd have been like the phantom from the novel before the transformation, and retains the persona afterwards.
>>53230826
I like that too. I think it's cool that in September the Vampire Counts are seen as something very eerie and mysterious to everyone else, even though it's accepted as fact that they exist. There could be a pied piper aspect to his character, also.

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>>53230756
hah well anon I can see it's not a competitive shit list army(which is fine anon) , are you fighting opponents who are also playing for fun/building their armies with you?

I'd still say run at least one lot of those shooting units as crossbowmen and then one as handgunners.

I really would reccomend a warrior priest though the reason being "3 things make the empire great, faith steel and gunpowder"
(your units will be torn to shit without a warrior priest buffing them by the massed ranks), stick him in the spearmen unit I guess as it's your biggest.

also anon in the meantime while you paint your army you could run the regiments of renown event pack gametype for 8th, which is 100points small scale battles.Every unit is individual, really really fun and good for getting people used to the basic rules of the game

could you post some pics of your empire guys anon? I'll post some of mine I did yesterday if you like.

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>>53230966
competent art direction

>>53229566

I've played Empire as my main army for a while, and sadly despite handgunners being one of our iconic units they aren't very good. The short range really hampers them and makes them not worth the cost against most enemies.

So I would definitely make at least one of these units crossbowmen. I would keep them as two blocks of 10 also. Again, the Hochland long rifle is a really cool bit of kit but not that great when you think of how many cannons an Empire army would normally have. So I generally give them a musician and that's it.

As for using them, detachments is okay, another alternative is to sit them back with the artillery and use them to deflect chaff that might try to hunt your cannons.

>>53230171
>>53230498
>>53230551

It's just assertion. The Byzantine Empire had an Emperor, not a king, which assumed a universality, ie. the Byzantines saw themselves as the only true Christian empire and hoped that one day they would unite all Christendom by the Pope and the Orthodox church mending the schism.

This is all it comes down to, the Empire of Sigmar sees itself as the successor of the previous great empires and that all other empires are pretenders.

>>53231175

Scan them anon!

>>53230960
that's why 6th ed has the best lore, and anything that sounds iffy or skubby can be handwaved as biased narration or unreliable source.

>>53233328
If you mean the Empire united by Magnus the Pious, then your point has some serious merit.

But otherwise, there were no empires before Sigmar, at least not in the Old World. The dwarves and elves both land and colonies there, but I'm not sure they were ever considered an Empire that Sigmar could act as successor of.

Which also brings up an interesting point - how would the Elves in particular handle colonies? Are they considered extensions of the home kingdoms? Are they their own political units?

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>>53232492
>>53233202

thanks for the comments! I play with my buddies with my 3 other armies that I built myself, so it's not going to be 100% professional, even if I'm going to make some crossbowmen

Here's a picture of my greatswords, I will probably finish the kitbashed life wizard next week

>>53233490

The Dwarf empire was in the old world. There was also some form of Roman inspired Tiliean empire it has been suggested in some of the RPG stuff.

>>53233833
Man, that's some really nicely painted models. It's the kind of stuff that makes me want to abandon Bretonnia and go full Empire.

>>53233833
>>53234146

Yeah they are pretty clean, I think I've seen you posting them in the /wip/ threads before. I like the bases, I've really been won over on having a black boarder.

>>53233833
sweet as fuck, but the codpieces need at least 3 more layers of highlights

>>53234036
Actually 'The Empire of Man' does make a lot of sense when you consider how deeply influenced the cult of sigmar and the early empire were by their alliance with the dwarfs. Sigmar could very well have sold his overlordship to chieftains he subjugated by going hey, the high king thing works for the little guys.

Even so it;s obvious the term is just another of hte 40k influences that crept into fantasy, but there's nothing to be done about that. I remember a time when warrior priests of sigmar weren't transparently space marines, but what does it matter? It's all dead and gone now.

>>53235452
warrior priests were never space marines. They were more like living saints but BALD

>>53235452
>warrior priests of sigmar [are currently] transparently space marines

What?

They're bald, wear armor, and swing huge hammers, but they aren't superhuman. They're like a Confessor or Ministorum Priest at best.

>>53233833
wow anon you are certainly way better than I, where did you get those bases from and did you make the stangnant water effect yourself?(HOWWW)

this is what I've been working on as Ive been attempting to complete my filler greatswords from spare bits(since you can make 20 greatswords from a greatswords kit if you have the bodies and legs from empire troops spare(and a few 20 cent greatsword off arms off ebay) it really doesn't compare though!

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>>53237546
I am a tired man.

>>53200168
Which edition of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay is considered the best?

>>53237909
2nd, erroneously.

>>53226372
KANGZ

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>>53237971
>erroneously

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>>53235482
>>53235466
I just mean aesthetically. In their initial Warhammer Quest and Mordheim appearances (priests of sigmar existed before in wfrp, but this is where they start getting minis and a unified look) they were much less imposing middle aged cleric guys.

With every new gen of the WFB models warrior priests got balder and buffer and their armour got bulkier especially around the shoulders, and I'm quite sure it was down to the popular spess mahreens brand spilling over from 40k. Possibly unconscious, but it was definitely a trend.

>>53238047
I grew up with 1st and 2nd ed WFRP and I'm deathly fond of it, but it's a pretty busted ruleset. 3rd edition is a good game, if a bit overdesigned.

What's the difference between wind of death and Necromancy

>>53238428
Necromancy is dark magic. Well, according to the 6th and 7th editions, lore of death is necromancy too.

>>53238428
Necromancy is the art.
Shyish is the paint.

Anyone know if these mounted knights from Wargames Foundry can be taken off their horses? They're the same models as the old Citadel ones if that helps.

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>>53238731
Forgot pic, fuck me.

>>53238428
you need dark magic (or I guess high) to actually raise the dead. the wind of death by itself is just entropy and shit.

>>53238055
I do miss those kind of catholic-looking robes like in your picture. Maybe it was unintentional and they were just trying to make them warrior-like with larger armor, I don't know. But I really don't think they were intentionally going for Space Marines, especially since there weren't many major fluff changes for them throughout the editions.

>>53223202
>Skyre

Do it again.

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What is the coolest Dogs of War unit, and why is it Leopold's Leopard Company?

I have never read any Warhammer novels - what's the best one to start with, and what's the best skaven novel? Prefer one in the mega upload if possible, but I don't mind buying one.

>>53229566

Handgunners can be quite useful against skaven for 1 reason: the champions can snipe engeneers if you get them the long rifle. Most skaven players will put naked enegeneers in every slave unit to bump their leadership, and if you snipe them before combat, they go down to a pitiable LD5

>>53237546
hey man thanks! the swamp water is made with 3-4 thin coats of Nurgle's Rot, and the swamp plants are made of an old brush with a layer of agrax earthshade

>>53226372
>implying Ulfric would accept a nigga
wrong

>>53228129
you do realize you meant "spelled" and both versions are pronounced exactly the same?
if you wanna be grammar nazi, don't make your own mistakes

Anyone Here playing return to reckonin?

Whats your opinion of it and what os current state playerwise?

I am a bit suspicious of installing a weird" third party" game but I really feel like playing a Warhammer rpg

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>>53243597
I prefer this chaps, maybe due to being a dwarf player. But of the human ones I would hire Riccos Republican Guard or Catrazzas Birdmen

>>53245004
How are Bretonnia and Brettonia pronounced the same?

>>53245238
you distinctively pronounce double consonants? you make a tiny pause between two Ts? i'd pronounce either as "bretonia"

>>53245252
Yes, but I'm not a native English speaker.

>>53204361
yeah
and people still say it was a good edition
retards

>>53245252
>you distinctively pronounce double consonants?

You don't?!

>>53245568
LLs and MMs, i do, NNs in some words, but not in the end like Bretonnia
and surely not TT in Brettonia

>>53243874

Skavenslayer is the answer to both your questions.

>merge Undead back together
>why vampire count skeletons can't be archers or ride chariots, and it's specifically said to use TK rules for barrow wights? because "oh we need to make two identical factions different". fuck it.

>merge Empire and Bretonnia
>empire has pegasi for characters but no pegasi rider units. why? because "oh muh faction uniqueness". fuck it.
>questing Knights and grail Knights can just be a powerful knightly order, rules-wise
>toss in DoW and Kislev for good measure. winged hussars are just knightly order too.

>merge three chaos factions back together
>ungors/cultusts, marauders/gors, warriors/bestigors, chosen/daemons (buff daemons)

>>53245534
>screw balance, I need multiple level fours

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>>53244986
>Implying Ulric and the pre-Imperial tribes aren't snow NIGGERS.

Hahahahahahaha...

>>53243874
>>53246039
Dead Winter, Skavenslayer is a sequel to Trollslayer but Dead Winter is the first book in a trilogy.

>>53246169
no, i need a proper wizard AND a combat lord general. that's common sense

>>53246304
1 lord level character is enough under 3k points. Warhammer should be about troops, not characters.

>>53246359
historicals are about troops
warhammer is fantasy and fantasy is about characters

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>>53246391
Polite disagreement

>>53246505
mind you, I don't mean full-on Herohammer
but its about characters leading armies and kicking awful lot of ass
characters should be Aragorns, making awesome impact

>>53246541
If you want characters, play the 5th edition.

>>53200643
not to defend Sotrmacsts, but men come in two types: showers and growers. Formers' dicks are almost as huge when flaccid as when erect, the latters' dicks are small when flaccid but expand greatly when erect. Average erect size is still the same.

When you genetically modify your warriors it makes sense to make them "growers", so the dicks don't take as much space in armor and are a smaller vulnerable target when not in direct use.

>>53246704
if I wanted to damage my retinas by color explosion, I would. 5th, or earlier, or AoS, same shit.

>>53246704
>"i don't want herohammer"
>"then go play herohammer"
sigh

>>53246734
You're in charge of painting your models.

>>53246749
there's still books, official artworks, etc. edition is not just minis.

>>53246745
>I don't want heroes, but every army should have several Aragorns

>>53246776
yes, Aragorns, not Solar Exalts like in 5th

>>53246745
>dude wants to play Herohammer
>gets recommended Herohammer edition
Your reading comprehension is weak anon

>>53246886
>anon wants mid-power lords/heroes of 8th
>"you must want 5th edition"
because everything must go to the extremes, no middle ground allowed
sigh

>>53246945
>mid-power
>sorcerer lord
>8th
What ?

>>53247043
if its more powerful than 5th characters, why all the "you should go 5th" bullshit? if it's weaker than 5th, then yes, it's mid-power in comparison.

>>53247128
It's not the same. 5th was insane because characters were hard hitters in deathstars. In 8th the wizard lords were "lol u die"

>>53246722
>Theorycrafting about Stormwieners
Never change /tg/

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>stormpeepees
>ever comparing with Big Imperial Cock.

>>53246722
Stormies' penises are proportionate to the size of their heads.

>come to WHFBG
>oh great another AoS discussion *heavy sigh*
>oh god, its not jsut that, its AoS dicks and penises discussion
seriously?

>>53248726
>*action*
Leave.

>>53248769
an Age of Sigmar Dongs thread?
gladly
>*leaves*

>>53248294
How can StormCucks even compete?!?!

>>53248802
>>53248769
>Oh look another shitty AoS thread
>Elf and death players crying. Fuck this imma leave
>Oh wait they are talking about dongs?
>*stays*

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disregard smegma posting

discuss best boys

>>53250400
But anon I can't see any floppy hat in that pic.

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>>53250400
Their rough homeland smoothens out some of the faults high elves usually have. And they still have style.

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>>53250571
>their rough homeland
much of Ulthuan is rather rough, despite popular belief.

>>53251007
After I posted that I realized that "rough" wasn't really what I was aiming for, but rather that Chrace is a much more wild land and its inhabitants accustomed to this. My braind doesn't work well today.

>>53238428
the lores of magic draw power from certain winds of magic

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>>53250400
alright, discuss.

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So Lizardmen army options are coming out tomorrow. What units do you think CA will cut for DLC?

https://twitter.com/totalwar/status/864110640947974144

How scary would the Mountains of Mourn be for an adventuring party? Are there any stat blocks for Rhinox's or other creatures in the area?

>>53251819
nothing important if previous factions are anything to go by.
Maybe some skink units.

>>53251819
No FW models. But all base factions have all units (looking at you Dow3).

>>53243874
Try finding the short story Rattenkrieg. It's great.

>>53251874
what major units did DoW3 miss?
>inb4 rhinos
yes, the memebox wasn't there but Space marines are supposed to be reinforced in game via drop pods.

>>53251819
Ark of Sotek, either Razordons or Salamanders, and either Kroxigors or Chameleons. No Dread Saurian or Arcanadon.

As a trade off we'll get unmounted Carnosaurs or Bastilodons.

>>53246722
>genetically modify

I'm going to have to stop you right there. Stormcast aren't space marines, they're like souls sucked into armor plate or something.

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>>53251902
Bikes, jetbikes, rhino variants, centurions, sergeants, exarchs, fliers, grav weapons.

what is 8.5th edition? i see people talk about but what is it?

>>53251922
I can not see Kroxigors there. Their an iconic unit.

>>53243597
How am I supposed to choose just one?!
Though, I always enjoyed the Galloper Guns.

>>53246104
I am mildly ok with this, the first one is just fine, the second requires that they keep the distinct flavor for the regional units and the last is mostly fine.

The real question is, what is the point of your post sir?

>>53203570
White Lion Dwarfish Giants of Sigmar.

>>53252641
Depends on the person. Either they mean the unofficial rules tourneys used for 8th, 8e with the FAQ, or the non-shit parts of ET. Which is basically just everything but Khaine and Archaon.

Red pill me on chaos ogres and trolls

>>53256407
Not much to say. They're trolls and ogres corrupted by Chaos. Trolls are creatures of Chaos - creatures in the distant past warped by Chaos energy, but they're stable and not really Chaos-aligned - but Chaos Trolls are Chaos aligned.

We should have destroyed Norsca, every man woman and child, many years ago!

*shouting*

Enough! Dietershafen is lost, and our northern allies have failed us. Where was the last report of his whereabouts?

My spies tell me that his forces have moved to the east, we must expect an attack on Erengrad!

This is nonsense, no attack is coming - Kislev controls Troll Country. He's not attacking, he's making allies! At this very moment he courts the One-Eye, the Beastmen! The warherds will rise up against us and the Drakwald will be lost once more!

Ridiculous! Middenland won't stand for it! Our forces have sole military access to their forests. I believe the attack will come from the Chaos Wastes themselves - he intends to travel across the World's Edge Mountains, and into Ostermark - Sylvania will revolt, and sweep across from the east

Thats wild speculation!

He will come not from the north, nor the east - our traders in the south report that he has forged an alliance with the tribes of the Bjornling. He intends to circumnavigate the Empire and sail his army-

To the Badlands perhaps!

He would lose half his army to attrition alone! The other half would desert!

We must defend Blackfire Pass!

And do you expect the orcs to welcome him when he arrives?

I suppose he will bring with hem, an army of Chariots!

Elector Counts, I dare say that would be quite a feat, even for the great Surtha Ek.

>>53258749
Man this place is getting infested with /twg/ memes.

>>53259108
It's hard to avoid, especially with Warhammer being so popular on /twg/. We're going to just have to suffer some of them for a while and try to remember to talk about lore and tabletop sometimes. We've been having more of that recently than in the past at least.

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>>53248726

>>53251819

I hope they cut that, it was pretty stupid and just an instance of GW forcing a shit idea because they needed another build option for the kit. Luckily it's shit on the tabletop.

>>53248726

> Comes to 12chins

> Expects serious discussion

>>53259441
You dont like infinitely spawning evil snakes?

>>53259477

No, not really.

Any halfwit with a stick can get away from a snake. Unless they're magic Old One snakes or something, maybe distant relatives of the Lizardcucks.

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>>53259856
>tfw no use of fantastical serpents

>>53259898

Yeah it was extremely lazy.

Not the end of the world though, the crystal one was much better and the spare snakes make good base decoration I suppose.

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>>53259948
Imagine putting them on some sort of canopy at the top of a temple, so it looks like the snakes are sliding down pillars or even the sides of the temple.

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>>53259460

>>53259460
To be fair, last time 'serious discussion' happened, people were arguing about Bretonnian squires which I still feel were a mistake, but somehow confusedly are in the lore. I don't think serious discussion is beyond 4chan, it just brings out all the salt and autism an idiocy you'd expect from a bunch of anonymous strangers.

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>>53262167

> Rounds.

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>>53262280
happy?

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>>53262336

Much better.

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>>53226372
Fucking top kek.

Masterfully done.

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How will they represent the magic of High Elves and Slann - two of the most powerful magic-using forces in the whole of WFB - in Total Warhammer 2?

So far it's been relatively tame, but is this their chance to really make things crazy and have it still be within the lore?

>>53258200
No no, red pill me on their rules.

Did CA singlehandedly save WFB from irrelevance?

I played Mordheim, Vermintide and Corsairs as well but they feel like nothing compared to the Total War game in the terms of relevance.

>>53251819
well if you look closely at the lizard reveal we got skinks,
bastilladons(not mounted)
the lazer mounted on the bastilladons
saurus
saurus 2h
saurus riders
temple guard
flying skinks.

so at least that much.

>>53264540
Total War is a pretty major series - of course it'll attract a lot of attention. And it has a luxury that a lot of other WFB games don't have, of getting to depict each race roughly equally, instead of a few nods one way or a few characters another, or having a whole faction just be NPCs.

However, I can't really say that it saved WFB from irrelevance on its own - there were times where the WFB flame ebbed low, and Total Warhammer was long since out. I think at best it saved this general from irrelevance, since you had a ton of people from /vg/ going 'well now I gotta learn about the lore' or getting shoved off by people who didn't wanna talk fantasy or something. And it's still not quite the best depiction of the Warhammer setting.

>>53254124
>The real question is, what is the point of your post sir?
just a rant/wishlist

>buy a dozen gyrocopters from Zhufbar
>tie them to a steam tank with chains
>teach metal wizard lord how to operate the tank
>have the wizard climb into tank and the gyros lift it all

who's laughing now, Chaos?

Are Ogor Kingdoms any good in 8th Ed?

>>53266202
>ogor

Anyone got any good in depth Mordheim (PC) summaries / guides?

Just got into it and the choices are just overwhelming and i'm sure some percentage of all the skills, builds, weapons, unit types, ect are sub-par, but all the steam discussions are scattered and not really that depthful information wise.

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>>53266202
ogor kingom very good,cost low for big army.
now pay meal little human.