Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

First for Dorn!

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So weapons are now points-free like in AoS?

Also second for ___Tau___

Second for Mortal Poison!

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Calling it now

ALL eldar units will have something that does mortal wounds

Except the Avatar of Khaine.

5th for Kharn

>>53183053
If you cant keep up, don't bother.

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>>53183044

>>53183053
Those stat-blocks were for narrative play. We'll probably see point costs tomorrow.

>>53183053
Only in open and narrative play (the downer modes for babies)

Matched play will have detailed point values for everything.

>>53183053
That looks like a pretty tight fit.

The crisis suit wouldn't be too roomy either

Will grenades exist in 8th edition?

Seems odd that there's been no mention of them at all and the only data sheet we've seen doesn't have them (thousand sons never did have the usual frag and krak, but sorcerers could take melta bombs before).

Could well see them being the kind of extra detail that they drop to streamline the system.

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>>53183053
THERE ARE STILL POINTS YOU FUCKER
AND EVEN AOS HAS POINTS
HOLY SHIT YOU DON'T KNOX WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST
READ
THE
FUCKING
THING

>>53183055
I can actually see the Poison rule being replaced by mortal wounds, or maby just multiple damage wounds

>>53183097
>>53183099
So we will see the point values in quasi-General's Handbook or faction Codices? That's pretty bad desu - I hoped that they will pack everything on free datasheets like in AoS but with points for units too
>>53183143
No, AoS has only points for units - not for wargear like weapons and shit

>>53183143
>AoS started without points.
>Notthefirsttime.jpg

>>53183105
That's larger compared to the fire warrior than actual crisis suits are. I think they're piloted from fetal position or something.

>>53183126
could be limited to defensive grenades that give you some bonus if you are charged, and offensive grenades that give you some bonus when you charge

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>>53183053
>>53183105

Are Tau midgets or are truescale crisis suits the same size as Dreadnaughts?

>>53183159
>So we will see the point values in quasi-General's Handbook or faction Codices?

Probably. I mean it's not like we didn't have to buy codexes before, that there are any free rules to begin with is something almost nobody ever expected out of GW.

>>53183159
units and battalions*

>>53183188
>truescale

I want that fucking meme to die.

Have they said if the core rules are supposed to be free like with AoS?

>Hey guys it the new GW TM here today with the brand new rules for our favourite green creatures, the Orkz!
>Now we know that they were really good last edition, so in this edition were making them a bit more fair in this edition.
>So the universal stats for Orks are all now T3, BS6+, M2 and WS3.
>But don't fret too much Ork players, the new Gorkanauts (or possibly Morkanauts XD) are BS5+!
>Have a nice WAAAGH!!! and tomorrow we wil be back with the Tau and their respective buffs for the new edition!

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Posting again if anyone wants to meme my poorly drawn Space Marine. Got some funny results a thread ago.

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>>53183212
What meme?

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>>53183188
It would be a tight fit regardless.

>>53183229
>this edition we're*

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>40k is literally being re-written by Frontline Gaming of all people

How is no one talking about this?

Why do they chose now to pander to the tourneycucks after all these years? could they suck Reece's dick any more on the community site jesus christ

>>53183190
I'm almost willing to bet that they just redacted the points from the real profile and tomorrow when we come back we will see a sheet with both power level (for Narrative and Open) and Points (for Matched)

>>53183190
Oh I don't mind buying codices - there are no point values in AoS battletomes and I have still bought one for fluff and because they are neat as fuck so I'm okay with this. I just hoped that they will include everything important on datasheets like all unit rules and point values both for units and gear - AoS warscrolls are perfect and only con is lack of point values. I know that they wanted to do an experiment with GHB but I hoped they will not do it again with 40k

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Was Corax an actual "nice" guy? (having in count how the primarchs were)

>>53183232
stop trying to force this meme, no one cares about your drawing

>>53183253
why is his torso on backwards?

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>>53183159
It's easier to reprint and adjust point costs in just the 40k equivalent of the general's handbook than redoing every data sheet every time. They'll be doing the same thing they're doing with the general's handbook and be balancing on more frequently. This is good.

>>53183188
See >>53183166 you blind boy
Fire Warrior models come up to around the top of the thigh armor plate

>>53183354
Hey, I thought it was a dumb little thing that was meant to facilitate some humorous community interaction. I couldn't care less if I made a meme slightly successful on a Siberian spear fishing forum.

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>>53183228
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/22/the-new-edition-of-warhammer-40000-your-questions-answeredgw-homepage-post-2/

>>53183344
Not really. He sent the Imperial Army general who came to save him from Istvann on a suicide mission after he found out he knew Corax needed saving because of a dream.
And said that the Raptors were no longer considered RG because they killed some wulfen who weren't being sublte about their plan to kill Corax rather than guard him as Russ told them to, after seeing the Raptors.

Corax is a dick.

>>53183360
Whut animu da-

Was going to post that, but decided to search instead.
Decided to post anyway so everyone knows I reverse searched it before posting, and therefore have now transcended.

>>53183278
Take note that they asked the tournament organisers to playtest their shit. You know, those guys who have been trying to keep 40k at least a little bit balanced with comps and special requirements and such.

Also, a player that does all the calculations and plays on a very competative level will be better at telling you what is OP or doesn't work, compared to somebody who just throws models on a table in his garage, cracks open a beer, and just wings half the rules.

>>53183166
>>53183407
I thought Tau used joysticks instead of jacking in.

>>53183516
That's probably why that suit pilot is waving at the fire warrior, she needs to borrow his joystick.

>>53183516
That would have made them walkers instead of mc.

>>53183360
Do you have to wait for the next version of the GHB to get point values for new models?

>>53183560
why? both dreads and dredds are jacked in.

>>53183510
>muh beer and pretzels

Nigger the average /tg/ poster could shit out a better codex than the GW writers. the average /tg/ poster DOES

Tournament players are the ones who can't design a game because as soon as something isn't fully optimized they don't give a shit, it's a wonder they even want to leave 7th at all

8th will be a game for passionless cunts, but that suits you so i can see why you're not worried.

>>53183565
No those are typically released simultaneously with a battletome, and those points are rolled into the next GHB

>>53183586
>>53183560
Pentinent engine and dragoon too.

>>53183565
No - it should be updated in App but sometimes GW just forgot about some units like rat swarms

>>53183617
Drop a link when you sell your army.
Untill then: Whatever

>>53183617
Make sure to make a webm of your army set on fire for us before you kill yourself

>>53183617
As I said before.

GW mostly asked tournament ORGANISERS to playtest 8th edtion. Tournament organiser =/= tournament player. Comprehend ?

>>53183617
This guy >>53183685
has it right.

Please be one of those losers who flipped their shit when AoS dropped and destroy your investment into shitty plastic crack because you're fucking anally annihilated

>>53183617
>average /tg/ poster could shit out a better codex
From the shit I've seen posted here I can confidently call you a delusional faggot.
You are a delusional faggot

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>>53183685
rip. picturesforsadchildren.

You were the only decent webcomic made by a sad failure.

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>>53183032
MFW everyday they put out new rules that make the fluffy armies I've run for years actually useful in the crunch.

>>53183766
Enjoy your fluffbunny armies become the fotm cancer ruining games.

>>53183749
You mean people will sperg about an idea and force a thread to be deleted?
"Maybe movements+d6 could work"
50+ replaying bitching about M+d6


You can't make discussion during USA time. They have the highest concentration of autistic and sperging cunts per capita

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>>53183666
>>53183685
>>53183732
How foolish of me i thought there were problems, but instead all is perfect much like every unit in 8th amirite

I forgot, this IS New Games workshop™ after all!

>>53183847
>You mean people will sperg about an idea and force a thread to be deleted?

You mean the thread that was on page 11 anyway? Stop trying to drag dumb arguments from a previous thread into a new one.

>>53183804
...Isn't that what we do every new edition?

>>53183917

So what army are you selling tonight ?

>>53183925
Wait people use pages? Strange, why would they when glorious catalog view exists?

>>53183980
It says the page number in the bottom right. You can tell what page a thread is on and how close it is to falling off the board easily.

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>>53183917
>was wrong about a point of contention
>thinks /tg/ is a bastion of rules geniuses not just a bunch of autistic losers who don't even play the games they talk about
>didn't bring any real points of discussion or contention with any rules in particular just "but muh tournament organizers are cancer"
>gets annoyed when his point is dismissed with "muh beer and pretzels"

Maybe bring forward something to actually talk about? Then we can, you know, talk about it?

>>53183980
Because chrome explodes when I try to load the catalog.

>>53183278

Listbuilding and gameplay balance is a joke right now, and you know it.

>>53183617

The average /tg/ poster has always been and will always be an imbecile.

>>53183946
You wish faggot, might have some painted shit in your force for once.

Gb2WHFB general where this bait actually flies fami

>>53184137
No one's nerfed since everything has changed, cheetahfag.

It IS funny to poke at eldars, though

>>53183917
So if we haven't already dismissed 8E as a total disaster, we must think GW is perfect?

Most of us are just hoping it'll be better than 7, which is a pretty low bar to clear. And the fact that they actually have playtesters should at least limit the amount of totally broken bullshit.

>I can actually use my Avatar in 8th

don't care about any jetbike or psyker nerfs anymore

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>Eldar to Aledari
>Tau to T'au
>Imperium to Dark Imperium

What does all of this mean?

>>53184137
But Mr. Cheetahfag, they buff them more!

The name is still silly.

>>53183232
I apreciate the effort, anon. Saved, and will probably do something with it later.

>>53183617
>the average /tg/ poster DOES

Most /tg/ homebrews I saw from 7e used Wraithknights and Riptides as the balancing point of what a MC / GC should be.

>Not treating them as outliers and trying to balance their amongst the other 99% of 40K

>>53184137
What nerfs did you see from their preview? All I saw were
>We're buffing your "Okay" units

>>53184218
Probably branding stuff. I don't think it means all that much as they understand the common vernacular will still be Eldar, Tau, Imperium, Space Marine instead of Adeptus Astartes, Imperial Guard instead of Astra Militarum, etc.

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>Orks preview
>Oh, let's look on Grotsnik!
>He's soo MaD that he have 5+ fnp while he have 6+.
>Wooh! So orky!

>can Overwatch
>can run
>Better AP
>No dumb Warpflame rule
>Warpflamers are actually really good
>Aspiring Sorcerer has actually useful spells he can actually use
>He also gets other Force weapons, all of which are beastly as fuck

I'm loving these Rubric changes.

>>53184276
Not that anon, but they didn't show any nerf quite obviously. I wouldn't really feel much love for the new edition if the article about my army said "Everything you use is now worse"

However they acknowledge the units that are most infamously overpowered in the codex, which would most likely mean that they have been rebalanced
Maybe not enough, but at least they'll not be as retarded as now

>>53184218
Definitely branding matters. Just like Imperial Guard was renamed to "Astra Millitarum".
Or like when tyranid players had to wait an entire edition to get overpriced models for the Mycetic spore (renamed for a name THIS stupid that I can't even remember it without looking it up), when kinder eggs and converted toys where doing the job just fine.

>>53184332
>useful spells
>1 mortal wound

>>53184332
Don't forget about reaper cannon having the same AP modifier as a lascannon.

Also warpflame pistol on aspiring sorcerer is gonna help a lot when your rubrics are stuck in melee.

>>53184311
>tumblr furfiction
Eh? I thought it was just them trying to give it a more Latin-sounding version because that's "cooler"

Is this another case like /co/'s Ironheart?

>>53184370
That's practically guaranteed damage. You deal free mortal wound each turn that also forces morale tests at the end of turn.

>>53184377
>Don't forget about reaper cannon having the same AP modifier as a lascannon.
This probably means that "rending" will translate into an additional -1AP, considering that the soulreaper cannons were AP3 and rending in the previous edition

>>53184409
>>53184384
Didn't Tolkien make up the word Eldar?

>>53184026
When did this happen? i just see a bunch of Age of sigmar-tier replies going
>"haha burn/sell ur army now fgt XDDD"

modern /tg/ is full of unironic gw-cucks so im not surprised at all though

>>53184370
So he can remove one model instead of just wanking around while providing Warp Charges for alpha psykers?
>>53184377
Yeah, they look pretty brutal. They might end up being overcosted, but at least now they are actually beastly.

>>53184370
I mean, just the fact that it doesn't require a warp charge and is on average a free wound with no saves against whatever is close by is nice. Plus you'll get another spell from the table on top of that.

Really, just the fact that it's more than a warp charge battery is nice.

>>53184409
Tbf, impericucks are just as bad with their high gothic that sounds like it was written by a very very stupid 7th grader being forced to take classical latin.

>>53184421
>that "rending" will translate into an additional -1AP, considering that the soulreaper cannons were AP3 and rending in the previous edition

That's what I was thinking too. We'll see when Assault Cannons pop out.
S6 AP-2 Heavy 4 will do nicely.

>>53184332
Potentially fixed the purchase of Soulreaper Cannons too. Seems to be worded similar to Noise marines rather than "If the unit numbers 10 or more..."

>>53184421
>This probably means that "rending" will translate into an additional -1AP
If this is true, who's ready for AP-1 basic eldar weaponry.

>>53184409
>Turning an "e" into "ae"
>Adding an "i" at the end

It's been years since I last studied Latin, but that's how I would try to turn the word Eldar into a Latin word

Also I don't play Eldar

>>53184332
>No shooting and charging
>No fearless
>No VotLW Ld Bonus
>No battlecannon bait immutable 4++
>Mortal wounds

You'll need some salt with that sugar otherwise you'll go hype-o.

LD8= three wounds minimum for battleshock, which is neat but still not crazy thematic.

>>53184444
And there is our daily reminder that unless you hate GW, hat everything GW does, hate everything GW makes, and hate everything GW sells, and hatepost about it hourly, you are a GW drone.

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>>53184487
And that method would be laughable and entirely incorrect.

>>53184444
>how dare this niggers enjoy their hobby and have some hope for its future??? Unacceptable! Grrrrr!

>>53184492
>implying Death to the False Emperor isn't new Chaos Leadership rule

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>>53184140
Show us your painted army there, tough guy

Can we stop feeding cheetahfag-kun

Hide and/or report move on with your life

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>>53184518
More Aeldari IP shenanigans means more power for 8th age

Dus gun be pleb

>>53184492
They've still got a 5+ against battlecannons, and now they'll actually benefit from being in cover more. Ld 8 isn't bad when you compare it to the standard marines, and I think this is another case where you could chalk it up to psychic feedback with one of them going inert as the Sorcerer struggles to maintain control.

>>53184525
>Which would then be represented on the datasheet... which it isn't.

Have more rerolls on first round of combat there kid. Nothing personell

>>53184525
>implying Death to the False Emperor isn't new Chaos Leadership rule
Standard Marines also have Ld of 7, so they seem to have the same value.

>>53184541
Cheetahfag-kun actually improves my day a little sometimes.

>>53184542
Those templates look like a surprised face.

Also is the guy that posts the cheetahs the same every thread or are the cheetah images really popular for laughing condescension?

>>53184544
Appearently having 2+/4++ against all Damage 1 weapons means nothing.
Only having a 5++ against battlecannons, which are nerfed and complete shit as we established yesterday, means that Thousand Sons will still be unviable next edition.

On a more serious note Im curious what an Icon of Flame is gonna do.

>>53184492
>No battlecannon bait immutable 4++
3+ save base, +1 from cover, -2 from Battle Cannon = 4+ Save

Sure you need to be in cover, but I'll take being worse vs AP3 for being 2+ vs small arms (All is Dust)

>>53184544
>5+
>Against battlecannons

Inb4 Mot is still a 6+ from 7thpleb and mono-tzeentch is still btfo.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/11/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-eldar/

>>53184541
Cheetanon fucking with >aeldari fags is all I have to look forward to in these threads. Infinitely better than disinfo anon

>>53184622
>On a more serious note Im curious what an Icon of Flame is gonna do.
+1S to all ranged weapons
It applies to firing flamer in melee

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>>53183266
Oh yeah, real tight fit.

>>53184603
templates were rather surprised when 8th dropped, after all.

>>53184625
Except it doesn't matter, because a battlecannon is only AP -2 so any marine has a 5+ against it in the open.

>>53184321
>2017
>Playing an NPC race

You get what you deserve.

>>53184639
+Str on shoots belongs to the noiseboys now.

>>53184648
Playing anything other than space marines means you're a side character.

>>53184218
Need to get dem copyrights.

>>53184630
But anon didn't you see the recent focus?!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/11/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-orruks/

>>53184646
Have they officially announced how invulnerable saves will be handled?

And can Cover modify invulerable saves?

>Fun fact Rubrics have a 4+ invulnerable against D1 due to All is Dust.
>Assuming same as currently.

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>>53184648
That's not how you spell Tyranids.
At least get your armies right when trolling, you idiot.

>>53184519
>There being an "incorrect way" to translate a word into a language that doesn't have any similar equivalents to that word

There isn't the word "elf" in Latin, nor there is Eldar, so there isn't a correct or incorrect way to translate it into that language
You are either the first one to attempt that translation and the word stick, or you are one of the most important writers in that language and you have the "authority" to say how it should be written

>>53184608
It doesn't necessarily go at the end. One Latin name is Gnaeus, and ether in Latin is written "Aether", so stop talking about shit you know nothing about and go fuck one of your so loved cats

>>53184639
Reroll to wound rolls of 1 for ranged attacks.

>>53184646
Sounds like they're even more useless, but you're trying to make it a good thing.

Also, consider that Aspiring Sorc always hits on 3s, does D3 wounds per unsaved wound and can pick actually powerful weapons going from S:U AP-3 to S+2 AP-1. Plus D6 S3 AP-2 auto-hits each combat phase because why not.

The dude is a beast now.

>>53184685
Bad link.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/11/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-krork/

>>53184648
>Strongest person is the boss
>it works because they believe
>never win a fight without their friends at their side
Orks are the shonen protagonists of 40k

>>53184688
I feel like Invuln saves will be the same as now, but won't stack with cover. So effectively they'll place a minimum value for you to save against if your armor and cover gets punched through entirely.

>>53184688
>Rubrics have a 4+ invulnerable against
>1. Other Rubrics
>2. tempestus

well yey lad.

>>53184691
> sperging this hard over made up words
Kek

>>53184685
>hurr my kunningly edited faction focus link!

Six threads ago called, it wants it's meme back

>>53184685
0/10, https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/11/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-this-faggot/

>>53184696
Sounds like you just want to bitch and moan without actually looking at the rules and thinking.

>>53184500
Spoken like a true dumb bastard good job letting the point whiz past your head

No you're right, /tg/ is just a hatewagon i forgot i should just shitpost all day and never dare to discuss anything

>>53184732
Power weapons may be D1
>Only seen force

Plasma could be D1
>Guessing it will be D3 personally.

>>53184688
I wonder if Scarab Occult terminators will also have All Is Dust. Becaus having a +1 on your saving rolls with a 2+ armour save would be ... insane.

>>53183272
fuck off faggot

>>53184690
Orks are more NPC than Nids. Orks are Designated Comic Relief NPCs and the standard mook for Spehs Muhreens to fight before the REAL threat arrives. At least Nids tend to be the primary threat when they show up.

>>53184763
Would mean they'd have to specify that you always fail on a roll of 1, rather on a result of 1

>>53184763
Unless they fixed their own lore and made them psykers and not dust men because you know. Magnus' personal psyker bodyguards should still keep their form.

>>53184763
That would be disgustingly durable against the new AP4

>>53184713
This guys get it.

>>53184735
>>53184737
This guy fell for it and now are salty when ever they show up

>>53184727
I was wondering as All is Dust specifically mentioned Saves not "Armour Save".

>Tho I just relooked at Shooting article:
>In the new Warhammer 40,000, cover is a bonus to your armour save.

>>53184773
Until the Swarmlord loses a punch fight with Papa Smurf.

>>53184773
Orks are the team rocket of W40k

>>53184782
They already specified that, I think

>>53184763
The biggest thing that would do is reduce the AP of any single damage weapons. Assuming you were in cover, you could still get a 2+ save against a plasmagun, if they deal 1 damage.

>>53184763
they're not dust though

>>53183032
>New general
>haven't seen the fabius bile pasta yet
I-is this anon all right ? Maybe he had an accident ? This almost makes me worried.

>>53184813
Yeah, Invuln saves still exist though, since the article on psychic powers mentions mortal wounds ignore them.

So All is Dust boosts armor and Invuln, but cover only boosts armor.

So Rubrics in terrain are pretty heavily resistant to anything that only deals 1 damage, and will still have a reasonable invuln save against it outside of cover.

>>53184787
Honestly I'd rather have Dusty Terminators with a 1+ (failing on 1s) than Brotherhood of Psyker Terminators

>I have Grey Knights for that.

So, reading the craftworld article further puts any hope of my deldar being good this edition into the grave.

>>53184813
Because a laser beam will not be stopped by a concrete wall from reaching you, but it may reduce the beam's power enough to allow you power armor to dissipate it

At least that's how I've interpreted that rule

>>53184843
Sure, it's Greek, but it's Latin too

http://latin-dictionary.net/definition/2107/aether-aetheris

Now tell me how that, like, totally doesn't count

>>53184888
>picking on Dark Eldar

That's a new low, man.

>>53184760
Plasma is D1 in SW:A and most of the statlines in 8th ed are toned down versions of what's in SW:A.

>>53184894
They get their powers from pain anyway.

>>53184856
>Because a laser beam will not be stopped by a concrete wall from reaching you, but it may reduce the beam's power enough to allow you power armor to dissipate it

But why wouldn't the concrete help reduce the power of the beam enough for your energy shield / reality warping powers to redirect it?

>>53184888
Come now, Adarki Aeldari have never been part of the problem

>>53184795
>This guy fell for it

Well, I'm only one of those, and how could anyone fall for such an obvious link? Or did you fall for mine? What did it say about you? Something good, I hope.

>>53184923
Because Invuln saves tend to work equally well against everything, and aren't concerned with the force involved. Forcefields in 40k tend to be weirdly spotty.

>>53184923
What if armour were a flat reduction to attack strength rather than a save?

>>53184942
True, I was willing to write it off as mechanics

>I'd rather Cover affected To Hits, but oh well.

>>53184945
LotR had something like this. There was no save rolls apart from heros who had limited ammount of save rolls per game. Instead armors and shields increased toughness.

>>53184929
That's not the point. The point is that there are Latin words that begin with ae. Than you needed to move the goalpost because otherwise you didn't know how to keep shitposting

But keep doing it if that's the way you give meaning to your life

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>Brings a Titan formation to a "narrative" game
>T 20
>W 50
>SV 2+
>each
>Opponent sends fabious bile into combat with them
>he hits first due to assaulting
>hits
>wounds on 6+ (because everything can do that in 8th
>I fail my save
>His weapon is Instant Death
>Remove Titan from the field
>Remove other 2 Titans after failing battle shock

Sorry, had to make a picture to go along with that silly rant

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>>53184983

>>53184983
>Graphic has Knights while storytime is about Warlord Titans

Disgraceful, go ahead and take Battle Shock test


>Good work on the picture anyways.

>>53184983

I'd really like to see a new Fabius model.
I would hope that it would look like a crossover between a warpsmith and a possessed marine.

>>53184218
>Dark Imperium
??

>>53185024
Probably referring to the half of the Imperium isolated from Terra via the Warpwound

>>53185024
The stc for lightbulbs has been lost

>>53185024
rowbootey refers to it s a dark imperium to contrast it from it's golden age

>>53184929
Not the butt destruction level: 9001 eldar fag, but Do you just browse google all day finding cheetahs yawning?

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>>53185035
Why don't they go around the warp wound? Did they forget space is 3D?

>>53185069
Why do you assume the Warp rift is 2D? Did you forget space is 3D?

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>>53185069
You shut up with that logic.

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>>53184939
I fell for an Eldar fake one. When the real one show up I thought it was fake due to the Aeldari kraftworld thingy.

What does it say of me?

https://youtu.be/KRsolFOTdOs

>that title
What did they mean by this?

>>53185061
I doubt it takes him more than ten minutes.

Too bad he won't find any new cheetah pics in about twenty years. Inbreeding/extinction's a bitch.

>ITT: people keep feeding the troll

For what raisin?

>>53185069
I could see them pulling some shit like the Emperor's light doesn't extend beyound the galactic plane, but that would be absolutely retarded.

>>53185069
>why don't they just divert their course for few thousand lightyears?
dunno, boss

>>53185109
we've already gotent today's ration of useless spoilers and have nothing better to do.

>>53185109
weight gain fetish

How does Khorne feel about orks?

>>53185109

People are bored and want to argue with something, even if they know they're getting played.

>>53184755
What discussion?
"Agre or ur all poopyheads" is a dull argument.

>>53185096
Dis makes me happy, and sad.

>>53185136
Look up Tuska Daemonkilla. TLDR - he loves them.

>>53185095
>duncan will never apply two thin coats across your ceramite hard pecks

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>>53185095
Each time I see one of those, it makes me want to watch some Bob Ross while painting miniatures.

More like FAGtion focus: Gaydari

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>>53184843
Buu-bu-but Cheeta-kun, thats not a cheeta in your picture!! Thats a leopard!!! HOW COULD YOU LET ME DOWN LIKE THIS

>>53184970
It's an actually thing

I lied. Their new name is "Drukhari".

>>53185164
>happy little orks.jpg

>>53185169
Nice, I retweeted this to my wifes son so that he can be as cool as you are.

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>>53185173
You just notice?

Anyone actually believes Sisters of Battle will get a full plastic realease this year?

>>53185035
That's the "Imperium Nihilus" on the map. I could see that being the low Gothic name for it I guess. I was wondering about a source though.

>>53185199
Take it, my friend. It's all yours.

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>>53185060
We coming full circle.

>>53185180
>woops, you got some Khorne Red on your power sword by accident. Don't worry though, it's a happy little accident - now it looks like it's got blood splattered across it

>>53185164
I narrate in my mind as bob ross while i paint my CSM. "Shoot, lets get crazy, were gonna get some Blood for the Blood God, and a medium brush. Now what your going to do is place some on your pallet, just like that, ooh would you just look at that color. Now you're just going to dab a bit of that and work it into your bristles, and get all that excess paint off of your brush, now once you've found a consistency you want we're going to just lay down a nice pattern on this chain axe, and remember there are no mistakes, just happy little accidents."

>>53185069
Ships travel through the the warp. Given that the warp is created by living creatures it's not entirely clear how far it extends into darkspace above and below the galactic plane. Tyranids can go around of course.

>>53185094
You haven't been paying attention.

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>>53185206
I'll keep on believing 'till my death, silly-ahegao-maids-kun.

>>53185060
>it's golden age

Did the Imperium really have a golden age, short of Grand Crusade -> Horus being named Warmaster?

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Are Soul grinders any good?

>>53185206

Sales and GWs attitude toward AS say so.

>>53185206
not really, i don't at least

>>53185317
They were okay.

Now ???

>>53185317
No one knows, 8th ed man.

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>>53185276
>I thought I was the only one to do this

>>53185317
KDK with small core and 8 soulgrinders could overwhelm other armies that weren't prepared for it

>>53185276
I like to pretend I'm narrating my own painting show like Ross when I paint. It helps me focus when I point out what I'm supposed to be doing to myself and the imaginary audience gives me more incentive to finish painting.

>>53184831
they are though.
Did you think they were all humies?

>>53184814
>Swarmlord
>this still exists
Awful fluff addition.

>>53185308
M32-M35. Up until the Nova Terra Interrugnum and Reign of Blood.

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>>53185343
I'd be disappointed with anyone who didn't channel Ross when they paints.

>>53185085
I laffed

>>53185206
I stopped laff.

>>53185408
So post-Beast.
The Imperium is already worshipping the Emperor.

Pretty sure that's not the "Golden Age" that Rowbootay is talking about

>But I could be wrong.

>>53184218
>Tau to T'au
T'au is the planet
Tau is the people

Okay fuck it, give me the latest lore stuff, just hit me with it don't hold back. I know it's gonna be bad so just do it fast like band-aid I need to get this over with.

>>53185565
The whole empire was named T'au empire in the latest map with the big warp scar cutting the galaxy in half.

>>53185596
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/04/new-warhammer-40000-the-great-riftgw-homepage-post-4/

>>53185596
Don't break cadia

Abaddon broke cadia

>>53185596

>Cadia is kill
>Guilliman rides again
>Great Crusade 2.0 into the new Great Rift confirmed

>>53185596
>Guilliman's first name is pronounced "Rowbooty"

>>53184639
Ignoring cover modifiers would be the tops

>>53185700
Row boot aye

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>>53185596
Aeldari queen for Imperium Secundus 2.0. soon.

>>53185206
only after seeing that do I realise just how much i want to go Asagi on them.

And plastic sisters are confirmed

>>53185710
I still can't believe that out of all the ways they could pronounce his name, GW picked the worst one.

>>53185653
>>53185633
So what happens now?

>>53185727
>And plastic sisters are confirmed
They ain't confirmed until I hold the fucking box in my hands.

>>53185710
>Row, row, row your boot aye gently down the warp stream, If you see a chaos god don't forget to scream!

>>53185741
Wait a month for 8th edition to arrive and we'll see

>>53185743
FUCKING THIS

>>53185741
Take Cadia back.
Plant a flag on the shattered remains,
Spit into the warp phenomena
Rinse and repeat for full soft roboute

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Any Idea how Renegades and Heretics will be effected by 8th? I was looking at converting a force of Blood Pact or maybe some Roman styled Khorne warriors, and I wasn't sure how to build the list. Also, good conversion bits for this? Even just alternate heads will do, I hate Cadian helmets.

>>53185728
I cant belive you have nothing better to complain about.

>>53185741

Seems likely that the first major campaign after 8th drops will focus on Armageddon, as they made a point of stressing how the planet is now being invaded by Khorne.

>>53185496
Guilliman died fairly soon after the heresy, reckon he means the great crusade as humanity's golden age

>>53185773
You could look towards Anvil Miniatures. They've got some decent bulk deals on a pretty good variety of helmets and armor options.

>>53185773
They'll have rules from day one, but we don't know in which way and how much viable they'll be

>>53185777

Which reminds me, why'd Chaos have to go rain on a perfectly good Imperium vs. Orks krumpfest, anyways?

>>53185795
Will they? They're not GW core, they're a FW side project.

>>53185800
So much war for so long in a single place.

Speaking of Guilliman. Who seem's to be doing a good job unfucking everything, who else thinks that all the other loyal primarch are going to fuck this up with petty infighting? Except Dorn, Dorn will build walls.

>>53185776
I know right? 8th is looking better than expected so I'm stuck picking low-hanging fruit.

>>53185820
They're in the starter box.

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>>53185800
>Not being a thrilled git that the krumpfest just got bigger and killier

>>53185820
They have confirmed that all models will have rules from day one, even FW ones, and have repeatedly said that "all the armies that are playable now will be playable in 8th"

>>53185786
I figured his Golden Age he referred to was the Grand Crusade up to the Drop Site Massacre

>>53185837

Demons just don't do anything for me all on their own. Too fantasy. I prefer my krumpin' sci-fi style.

>>53185836
Renegades and Heretics?
You sure you dont mean nurgle cultists?

>>53185846
>"all the armies that are playable now will be playable in 8th"

Nids confirmed squatted :^)

>>53185855
>krumpin' sci-fi style

Best be using all shootas then. Choppas are pretty fantasy.

>>53185876

Nah, Orks are way more Mad Max than fantasy, even with their close combat weapons. Those things are hunks of industrial steel welded onto handles, not swords.

>>53185800
1st War for Armageddon was Chaos vs. Imp. And Chaos is feeling their oats at the moment.

>>53185846
>FW HH admech won't get rules
It fucking sucks

I want ordinatus damn it

>>53185912

Yup, I know. First war is also worst war.

>>53185912
First war for Armageddon was
the siege of ullanor

>>53185821
The Khan wouldn't give a shit, neither would Russ, they just like fighting. Last time we saw Vulkan, he'd reached maximum emo and didn't give a shit about the Imperium anymore.

Corax is probably still crying like a bitch over fucking his legionaries up somewhere and was never comfortable as a political leader anyway due to his upbringing.

Really, amongst the loyal Primarchs, other than the Lion, Guilliman didn't have any real rivals who'd even want to challenge his leadership, he's really the only one with a hard-on for statecraft.

Even the Lion was more interested in being a supreme military leader than actually micro-managing an empire but he'd certainly fuck things up if he returned because he'd want to be Not!Warmaster and Guilliman doesn't trust him as far as he can throw him.

>>53185933
Eh. It wasn't yet Armageddon at that point .

>>53184468
...and every shuriken weapon ap:-1

>>53185858
Same difference.

>>53185933
counterpoint: it wasn't called armageddon

>>53185957

Shuriken catapults will be S4 AP - .

>>53185925
It gives them a good excuse to make an Angron mini in a few months.

>>53185773
RE said everything will be updated. I don't think they said when though. Make your army anyway. Only downside I feel is that taking leman Russ tanks isn't as good since they have to roll to hit on that terrible terrible terrible. Terrible. BS.

>>53185978
>litterally the average BS
>got more hits to compensate for it

guardfags don't deserve the place they're being given

>>53185913
We can use the Ordinatus already, man.
Quoth the FW page:

>The Mechanicum Ordinatus Sagittar/Ulator is a Lords of War choice for Mechanicum armies in Horus Heresy games. It can also be taken as a Lords of War Choice by Adeptus Mechanicus: Cult Mechanicus and Skitarii armies in games of Warhammer 40,000 using the rules found in The Horus Heresy: Mechanicum – Taghmata Army List.

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>>53185963
No.
>Cultists bring:
Cultists with autoguns.

>Renegades and Heretics bring:

>>53185913
Its a Horus Heresy unit, not a standard 40k unit. Its not found in any 40k IA books or army lists, so we likely won't see rules for it until they update their Horus Heresy line to 8th.

Or release fires of craxys

>>53185969
If indeed rending translates to an extra -1 AP, then shuriken weaponry will have AP-1
This is just a guess based on the SINGLE what-used-to-be-rending weapon we have stats for in 8th

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>>53184648
>NPC

>>53186135
I feel like it'll depend on the weapon. Something that was Rending by virtue of going BRRT an having the rounds shred through heavier armor through sheer volume of fire would make sense to just upgrade the AP of. Something that's rending based on the idea of making a single more accurate shot like a sniper rifle may still have the 6s gaining AP thing

>>53186135

There's no reason shuriken catapults need to keep rending, though. It's not like they've always had it. Since GeeDubs is looking to rein Eldar in, I wouldn't assume that any current rules must necessarily translate into in 8th.

>>53186126
Do you have a point or are you just being chronicly perturbed?

>>53186184
Shitting on guardians and dire avengers is a wrong move if you want to peg down eldar. It'll just push jetbikes into the mandatory troop even further.

>>53186214
This

Speaking of AELFS in SPACE what are the bets on best Aspect Warrior this time round?

>>53186234
Mortal combat scorpions.

>>53186184
I could see s3 AP-1 for catapults honestly.

>>53186234
Fire Dragons. Like always.

>>53186184
I would be fine with >>53186273

It would make Shuriken guns a bit more akin to Scions with their Hotshots, except with AP -1 instead of -2.

It also fits well, since tiny molecular edge disks really should be low strength but better AP.

And as >>53186214 said, anything that makes people want to take foot infantry in Eldar more is fine by me.

>>53186059
>"more hits"
>2/6 chance to auto-hit 5" bubble > random attacks

>>53186214
Eldar should be fast but fragile, so jetbikes should have worse saves (4+) and jink should only be a hit modifier of 1.
Also raise the price of all the bike heavy weapons since you can take one of each.

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Rowboat Gillman:
>gets beaten by angron
HELP ME ULTRAMARINES
>gets beaten by fulgrim
HELP ME ADMECH
>gets beaten by magnus
HELP ME SILENT SISTER

>>53186234
Scorpions dealing mortal wounds
Fire dragons for anything that isn't basic infantry (full squad of MELTAS with ordnance-damage dice, as well as more reliable transports)

>>53186322
>Also raise the price of all the bike heavy weapons since you can take one of each.
This needs to die, and I play eldar.

1 per 3 heavy weapons, or VASTLY more expensive weapons/bikes
and/or drop the armor save.

Especially because "jink" is likely to translate into a to-hit penalty

>>53186326
If GW don't go full retard it'll probably be something like dealing mortal wounds on hit wound rolls of 6.

>>53183032
does anyone have the Ordo Sinister epub yet

Which traitor primarch will become loyal?
Which loyal primarch will turn traitor?

>>53186363
None and none. Now quit spouting that bullshit rumor.

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>>53186326
once had a baneblade go nuclear on turn 1 thanks to 5 fire dragons in a wave serpent

blew up the land raider next to it too

>>53186355
Mandiblasters work at the begining of the fight phase, implying *before* attacking normally.
I could see something like "roll a dice for each scorpion. On a 6, mortal wound"

>>53186378
>generic nobledark with no intrigue

>>53186322
Jetbikes being a 4+ save is an obvious change and I don't know why they haven't done it already.

Bonus points if Deldar jetbikes get boosted to 4+ as well.

>>53186354
I feel like increasing the price of heavy weapons would be enough. It'll also help if they don't have any way to mitigate the -1 BS from shooting heavy weapons while moving.

>>53186363
-Alpharius
+Omegon

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>>53186396

>>53186355
>>53186399
It may be that they're automatic hits similar to Hammer of Wrath, so you just roll to wound. Then on a 6, it's mortal.

It's still a really, really really weird choice for Mandiblasters to get past Forcefields and kill Daemons though, since that's not what they've ever been known for.

>>53186419
literally what happened ffs
at least the entire squad of the cunts was caught in the gigantic blast and vapourised

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>>53186363
(You)

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>>53186448
Both are loyal

>>53186184
>Since GeeDubs is looking to rein Eldar in, I wouldn't assume that any current rules must necessarily translate into in 8th.

Reece is a huge Eldar fag. Good luck with your balancing Eldar in 8th edition goals

They're still going to be the best faction unless something really weird happens

>>53186619
Why on Earth do you think it was this one guy that did play testing?

>>53186587
is he trying to shoot with the knife and holding the pistol like a knife?

>>53186214

I'm not saying to shit on Guardians or Dire Avengers. They can easily get amped up to make up the power gap even if shuriken catapults aren't -1 AP.

I'm just challenging the assumption that shruiken catapults must absolutely still have some kind of armor penalty when, historically, they haven't always pierced armor any better than boltguns.

>>53186619
How to improve 9th edition: remove Eldar. Only WAAC players and people with no hygiene use them anyway.

>>53186322
>>53186354

Jink is likely to just be removed from the game, as I see it. It's yet another rule which slows things down and doesn't need to exist, especially given how strong bikes are at the moment.

>>53186700
>jinx is now a special rule that gives a passive to hit modifier malus at no disadvantage for the biker

>>53186771
>Jink gives units a -3 to hit but they can't fire their guns unless they're Eldar because fuck you
Gotta think like GW.

>>53186771
I fully expect some units to get a rule like
"If this unit moves, enemies shooting it have a -1 to hit"
Possibly replace with "if this unit advances"

>>53186798
>Gotta think like Phil Kelly
FTFY

>>53185726
wtf am i looking at??? Look at that small head.

>>53186906
Yes

>>53186906
And imagine if the terminators too have that rule

>>53186980
They likely will. Meaning you need AP-3 small arms to start modifying the save of rubric terminators in cover

>>53186906
And it means that Scarab Occult terminators (assuming they have the same rule) will be MoT terminators on crack with a 1+/3++.

>>53186354
>1 per 3 heavy weapons, or VASTLY more expensive weapons/bikes
and/or drop the armor save.

The big problem with scatter-laser bikes is that they become almost unkillable in the hands of a competent player on a board with a decent amount of terrain while allowing the eldar player to attack almost everywhere. Being able to put a lot of firepower on a manouverable, moderately survivable platform isn't too bad; deffkoptas, space marine attack bikes, landspeeders and countless other glass cannon units are fine. Things only get ugly when you include the eldar jetbike rule allowing them to retreat behind cover. That rule is fine, so long as they are restricted to point-blank weapons, but becomes horrific when combined with long-range ones. Crisis suits have a similar trick but lack the speed which allows jetbikes to redeploy when threatened.

Dropping the armour save seems sensible, but I doubt it will help because the real problem comes from their ability not to get shot at. Restricted numbers of weapons isn't a solution I'm fond of using at all, and especially not when you've already encouraged players to build their models with a special weapon on each one. A price increase is a general solution to pretty much every problem in the game, but I'm not sure exactly how much it should be and whether it needs to be just on the weapons or the bike too. The problem is that 'not getting shot at' is a very difficult ability to quantify. The other option is to stop letting them dodge back into cover, which seems likely to annoy the players or to make units fast enough to engage them viable, which at least gives land speeders some purpose.

>>53186998
You'll be basically forced to shoot on them with your 1dX Damage weapons
Thing that you most likely would want to do anyway, since now terminators have 2 wounds

inb4 terminators always consider the Damage value as 1

>>53186678
He's doing some metal gear hand shit to show Alpha Legion are the traitor Raven Guard.

>>53186980
>>53186998
Wonder how they'll buff Berserkers. Maybe exploding dice or something fluffy like that.

>>53186234
>...what are the bets on best Aspect Warrior this time round?

Always, always bet on scorpions. I've played 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th and they were absolute fucking murder in every single one. In fact, I think they started out best and just kept getting better. God knows why they are the favoured ones and why they never get a plastic kit, but I'm confident that it isn't going to change.

Second place is probably Dark Reapers. S 5 AP -2 seems to be the sweet spot for weapons this edition, being able to do something significant to heavy tanks while also butchering marines of all kinds.

>>53183344
Why is he fighting admech forces?

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>>53185773
>>53185794
Yeah, they have nice stuff. Would these work for Roman type Guardsmen? I don't know about the Brody helmet part, but it seems that's the best compromise I'll get outside of learning to greenstuff.
Any other ideas for similar bits?

>>53187147
See that weird robot claw to the right of him? Looks like a defiler no? Well they're probably Dark Mechanicus.

>>53187147
>what is the Horus Heresy
How fucking new are you?

How are Daemon Engines transported to battle if they're uncontrollable?

Wyvern will have D3 D6 shots?

>>53187213
>Manticore

Wyvern 8d3 kek

>>53187036
Big problem with scatbikes was that they were jack-of-all, master-of-all.
>fasted unit in the game
>ob.sec.
>great guns that could deal with anything but av14, and with their speed it has to be av14 all around
>good range on guns, you don't even have to go close and personal
>good saves against small arms, can mitigate further with JSJ-movement
>jink to deal with any heavier weaponry
>cheap enough so you won't be outnumbered in a meaningful way
>troops so they don't contest any other slots if there are any detachment limits
>don't need formations, in case formations are limited

I mean some land raider/monolith all-in could contest them but even then you could just scoot around and win by objectives, assuming you have nothing but scatbikes.

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>>53184983

>>53187184
About a year. I thought dark mech stuff looked more chaos-y. That shit's just straight up Mars colour tech priests.

>>53187203
Same way Helbrutes are most likely - they're sedated, the limbs get removed and the limbless machine gets chained up in storage. When it's needed they just put the limbs back on it near the battlefield and send it in first.

>>53187273
The Dark Mech WERE Martian tech-priests. Chaos doesn't turn you into a gribbly monster overnight,

>>53187278
Yeah but like on which vehicles and shit. And they sound like a disadvantage considering they're one-use uncontrollable machines that have to be built nearthe battlefield and sent unsupported.

>>53187273
You think they started putting all the spikes and daemon shit on themselves BEFORE they lost the war and had to retreat into the Eye of Terror?

>>53186323

Don't forget that he got shit on by Curze before the Lion stepped in to help.

>>53185824
>8th is looking better than expected so I'm stuck picking low-hanging fruit.
That's the opposite of what that expression means. You pick low-hanging fruit when there's so much shit to choose from that you might as well go for the easiest. The expression you seem to want is 'scraping the bottom of the barrel'.