MtG $$$$$$ COMPETITIVE $$$$$$ MODERN GENERAL

>>53104384

>Makes a new modern thread
>Says no kitchen table

Mcgofuck yourself

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>Playing?
Jund Shadow, Grixis; Shadow, Control, Delver Azorius Control.
>Brewing?
Sultai Delver
>Metagame thoughts?
I wouldn't mind seeing a control deck in tier 1 again.
>Bans/Unbans?
I don't see any bans or unbans happening.
Wizards realizes Blue and White are underpowered in Modern and I believe they will print pushed cards to shake things up (ex. Fatal Push).

>>53104844
Tips on taking deck pics?

Mine always turn out to be glare infested pieces of shit

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>Playing
Bolt tribal
>Brewing
Nothing atm. I love playing burn
>Metagame thoughts
In general, it's funny to see how far regular jund has dropped.
As far as my lgs goes, my only gripe is my friend running 3 chalice mainboard for eldrazi tron.
>bans/unbans
Karn shouldn't exist.
Anyways, how many shard volley should I run? Is 2 too much?

>>53104883
Try using a low angle so it seems bigger.

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>>53104883
Here's how not to do it.

Gonna move the Stomping to the sideboard, I MUST BEST THE MIRROR AT ANY COST.

mana clash is usually a searing blaze

>>53105040
>shard volley
Stop this right now.

>>53105040
>shard volley
>not gut shot

At least meme correctly mang

>>53105406
There's objectively nothing wrong with 1 Shard Volley and to say otherwise is an insult.
It has never been bad, and it even has synergistic power (untapped Vantage if it's your 4th land, extra Lavamancer fuel), not to mention being able to kill Electromancer/Puresteel/Platinum Emperion

>>53105514
Don't talk to me or my wife's Eidolon ever again.

>>53104844
>Wizards realizes Blue and White are underpowered in Modern and I believe they will print pushed cards to shake things up (ex. Fatal Push).

Source?

just finished putting together and sleeving up my UW draw go meme. missing a crucible and some of my SB cards but I can just cram some filler bullshit in there and rock it anyway until I get my hands on those. can't wait to go to time every single round!

on a side note the reviews aint lyin, these eclipse sleeves are the fucking nut. shuffle so fucking good and after man-handling them harder than a puppy crushing retard they look fine and don't have any fucked up corners

I check the modern meta all the time and there isn't a single deck I want to build or play.

>>53105801
Well, what do you like to play, anon?

>>53105018
I always have liked 2. Odds of seeing them both is low. Odds of being tilted by the land cost is low. Just hold them in your hand and cast them last.

How is jeskai control right now? I wasn't playing when new Nahiri came out and she seems nice.

>>53106151
Its pretty awful atm. Bolts at an all time low if you arent playing Lava Spike tribal, it doesnt remove most threats and Lightning Helix just delays the inevitable. Ancestral Visions is still a bad topdeck, Nahiri and Cryptic Commands mana cost are hard to always pull off, not specifically one or the other but having both in the deck will lead to some situations where you dont have mana to cast one because you needed to get the right mana to cast the other. Electrolyze is decent against Affinity ill give the deck that. Overall though the decks wincons are weak, a 4 mana walker that takes several turns to Ult and doesnt really protect itself isnt that good, also Emrakul is often not enough to kill, 15 damage and 6 sacrificed permanents is good but if they have more then 15 health they can potentially rebuild the board and come back.

>playing
Burn
>brewing
Nothing
>metagame thoughts
Its fine, burns been doing well for me, went undefeated Friday and have top 8ed the last 4 FNMs I believe
>Bans/Unbans
No bans are needed but they'll probably ban Grapeshot soon desu. Some unbans would be cool but im not sure which, it gets debated ad infinitum but there arent really all that many safe cards on there. Maybe BBE would be fine or Punishing Fire but not both.

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>mfw retards bought As Foretold for $25 thinking it would make control good
>mfw its $8 now
Control players eternally KEKED!

>>53105867
2 is still fine and will (almost) never hurt, if you can lower it to 1 it's a perfect card, but there's often slot issues with burn.

>>53106297
I like Shard Volley as a one of despite not running it myself

>>53105748
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/april-24-2017-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2017-04-24
>While deck diversity is good, we're keeping an eye on color balance.

>>53105801
There are many more competitive and fun decks than what you see on top meta sites

>>53106367
>playing anything other than top of the meta
It's like you want to not win

>>53104883
I get this question whenever i post my deck pics. I'm not sure what to tell you, the light source is on the center of the ceiling and I hold my phone parallel to the cards...

>>53106408
I win all the time

>>53106430
And you play what?

>>53106444
Kithkin

>>53106419
Describe in detail pls

also where your cards are relative to light source

>>53106463
Post planeswalker points page you memeing fuck

>>53106463
Warp World Elves
>>53106493
I'll f***ing punch you m8

>>53106644
1v1 me ft5; formats are pauper, frontier, THS block constructed, extended and conspiracy cube

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>>53104577
>>Playing?
WB E&T breh

>>Brewing?
playing lots and lots of games with WB E&T

>>Metagame thoughts?
it's fun!

>>Bans/Unbans?
Unban Splinter Twin; Ban Deceiver Exarch
Unban Birthing Pod; Ban Kiki-Jiki, Mirror-Breaker
Unban Summer Bloom; Ban Amulet of Vigor

>>53106151
Esper or UW is better positioned than Nahiri Jeskai right now imo. Although I think Jeskai draw-go has promise. I'm just not sure if a smattering of burn spells is better than Fatal Push and Esper Charm.

>>53106917
>>53106151
It's a good deck, and was good in the meta where DSZoo/Infect/Kilnfiend were rampant, which kept Tron to a low metashare since they could go under it.

Right now the two most popular decks are DSJund/Grixis (which bolt doesn't spot remove as well but that's not really the problem) and Tron, which is the real problem.

U/W control variants run a 4 Seas, Ghost Quarter + Crucible package.
On-cast triggers were a mistake.

>>53107014
shhhhhhh

We don't want the Tron kiddies getting upset

>>53107014
I'd figure with red it'd be better against Tron due to Crumble/Sowing Salt.

>>53107014
>Tron, which is the real problem
I think Tron is easier for UWx control than it is for GBx. Chances are low he has turn 3 Karn and you don't have a counterspell for it, and aside from that the only really brutal play is turn 4-6 Ulamog -> trigger Sanctum -> get the other Ulamog. In a deck with 4 Path, 4 Cryptic, and 3-4 Snapcaster you can actually answer all of his threats, and post SB games get easier because you bring in Extractions or Stony Silence or Crumble or Clique or Geist.

>>53107361
The only way you're beating Tron as UWx is if you hedge HEAVILY for the matchup or kill them quickly which is easier said for a control deck.

t. Esper Draw-go player

>>53106893
You should stream your games on twitch.

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*unzips Finks*
*sacs behind you*

>>53107419
what does

t.
mean?

>>53107917
It's a Finnish abbreviation for "signed" or "sincerely"

>>53107998
thanks

>>53106408
>It's like you want to not win
What if I want to have fun?

>>53108052
I have yet to meet a non crazy person that enjoys losing more than winning.

>>53108052
The only way to have fun is to win. Anyone that says they have fun losing is a liar.

>>53108104
>he's never played warp world/thieves auction in edh
You're missing out.

>>53108144
>EDH
I said non-crazy, maybe I should have added not autistic as well.

>looking though my half built burn deck
>a bunch of 1 of's jap cards

This just gave me the idea of having playsets of cards in 4 different languages.

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>>53108170
There's the 2001-2002 prerelease promos that were printed in obscure languages, if you're interested. I like the Greek Phelddagrif, second to Phyrexian Norn.

https://youtu.be/GvoYijLmits

This deck will put an end to modern's stagnant meta.

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Post more deckpics!

>>53104577
>brewing
if i had money i'd be working on turbo moons aka free wins red. tfw yet another chalice spike
>unban
how about preordain, dark depths, twin, grave-troll. tier 1 and 2 are too fair

>>53104603
mono blue tron runs treasure mage to grab bombs
there's lantern control which is a prison deck that digs for lock pieces
some people are developing a deck that uses tezzeret and whir of invention to find artifacts
None of these are considered particularly competitive but there you go.

>>53104844
>>53105040
ngl i'm kind of envious of the aesthetic mana costs ya'll have. most of my spell have gray costs

>>53108170
will you do mismatched printings as well? i kinda think matched printings would be better

Newer to magic, how is my rat deck looking /mtg/? Posted this in another thread and was recced some Thrumming stones, swarmyard and more relentless rats. Anything else I should add and what should I remove to fit in more relentless rats?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rat-deck-supreme/

>>53109459
>tfw yet another chalice spike

Just checked the price, fucking hell. At least them being more expensive I hope less people buy them, meaning less chalices on 1 fucking me over.

>>53109508
How familiar are you with modern?

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If this guy blocks a creature and it's trigger goes onto the stack can I flickerwisp or restoration angel this guy and still kill the blocked creature?

>>53109675
yes

>>53109688
Well I just found my new one drop. Fuck Thraben Inspector.

>>53109670
Brand new to modern, wanna get into the competitive scene, have only really played with some friends in my small town and at camp when I was a councillor

>>53109508
Gnat miser is terrible.

>>53109903
So go buy a modern deck then? What are you hoping to accomplish by trying to give the autists small talk?

what the fuck is going on on this limited gp stream

>guy plays approach of the second sun
>other guy plays gideon's nevermore naming approach
>guy kills the gideon's nevermore with an austere command invocation
>wins with second sun

what the crap

>>53110318
Yeah I own the deck I posted, I'm just new and want some help

Is it worth dumping 100 bucks to buy the missing pieces to convert my Grixis Control into Grixis Shadow. How likely are parts of the Shadow shell to get banned and generally, how fun is the deck to pilot?

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How to break this? Assault Loam? Noose constrictor? Zombie Infestation?

>>53109903
K man if you want to get into the competitive scene, you need a deck that can be competitive. I'm sorry, but the rat deck isn't going to hold up against most, if not all, decks in modern. If price is a concern, you can build mono green stompy, mono red burn, and 8whack for pretty cheap, and they'll hold up reasonably well. Assuming price isn't a concern, just look up modern decks and see if there's anything you like. But just know that in this format there isn't much room for homebrews if you want to win.

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>>53110448
1)pick a deck here
2)Learn to play with it online (cockatrice or x-mage)
If you have fun, go to step 3, if not go back to step 1
3) find if there are modern tournaments where you live
If yes go to step 4, if not stay on step 2
4) buy into the deck
5)enjoy your tournaments

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>>53110705
It's already broken in standard

>>53110973
is there a decklist or is this just a meme ?

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>>53111034
Yea from mtgoldfish
Looks fun, but I'm flinging pummeler

>>53111066
>>53110973

Well, of course it's gonna work in Shit For Removal: The Format . Porting this to Modern is gonna requiere some sort of backup shell like Loam, or a grindy Jund deck. Maybe even the Gitrog Monster + Dakmor Salvage combo? Noose Constrictor goes infinite with those.

>>53110963
Thank you so much

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>>53104577
reprint when?

>>53111327
Hopefully never. We don't need Channel Fireball shenanigans again.

>>53111327

>DUDE FREE MANA LMAO
>reprintred
>ever

>>53111342
it's broken in a format with Moxens, black lotus and duals. in modern this needs double g in a format with shocklands, and that dies to spell snare and damage prevention

>>53111327
Reprint or not, they need to have Rebecca Guay do more art (even if it's only promos).

>>53111386
Lmao fuck off retard

>>53111484
>I will call him retard, that will show him!!!

>>53110963
OOPS ALL SPELLS ISN'T A MODERN DECK FOR FUCKS SAKE PEOPLE FIX THIS NOW
REEEEEEEEE

>Playing?
Nothing yet
>Brewing?
WRG Burn
>Metagame thoughts?
I wish I knew more of the meta game. Any good source to learn it?

>>53111499
>I will make points that have no legs to stand on, that'll warrant a proper response!

>>53111386
>Allows hardcasting Turn 2 ulamong/emerakul
>not broken
lamo kys

>>53111386
>just counter it
Try and remember which thread you're in next time

>>53111613
>brewing
>burn
Kek. That shit was figured out long ago

>>53110973
>block the snek
>win because opponent has to deal 10 damage with no hand

>>53111613
Local? Go to the shop and ask
In general? Mtgtop8 or something like that
But you're playing burn, unless your local meta is nothing but eldrazi tron or classic tron mainboarding chalice, you'll do pretty well going in blind

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>>53109723
YOU CANT CUT BACK ON INSPECTORS! YOU WILL REGRET THIS!

>Playing?
Abzan Company.

>Brewing?
Different builds of Company. The last few sets have been fucking exceptional when it comes to new stuff to work with. Currently trying out a combo build that focuses on Druid/Vizier, it feels like a meme but turn three spaghetti mom is no joke.

Also testing out Duskwatch Recruiter as a potential addition to the core of the archetype, he's nowhere near as good as Chord and Company, obviously, but one or two to potentially replace the same number of Witnesses might be a decent idea. Similar idea on Vizier of the Menagerie alongside Courser+Tracker

>Metagame Thoughts?
Modern seems a fun place right now, just hoping it stays that way.

>Bans/Unbans
Why does dredge even exist?

>Playing?
Gw Tron.

>Brewing?
Building Gb Tron and messing with my shitbrews.

>Metagame Thoughts?
I've never really had issues with the metagame. As always, pretty fun.

>Bans/Unbans
I'm satisfied with the current banlist, but it would be cool to see some of the big names come off the list in the future.

>>53111743
Thx

>Playing?
Dredge, sold out of Affinity after the deck folded to itself one time too many, combined with Stony Silences and Ancient Grudges up the ass.
>Brewing?
Nothing, thinking about foiling the deck though.
>Metagame thoughts?
I miss 2015, Twin ban was a mistake and the deck wouldn't even be as good today with Bant Eldrazi etc in the format. Amulet Bloom was a bit too busted with turn 2-3 kills through permission like 50% of the time, otherwise the format was close to perfect. Modern could use Swords to Plowshares to combat Death's Shadow and to just make white more playable in general beyond stupid sideboard bullets.
>Bans/Unbans?
Unban Twin.

Ban Stony Silence, Chalice of the Void, Choke, Tronland(s).

All of those cards make for horrible gameplay and are unnecessary. There are about a million other good hate cards and general utility sweepers (eg. EE, Anger) in the format to keep Affinity in the check, the games where someone goes turn 2 Stony Silence are just retarded and accentuate the sideboard and matchup roulette aspect of Modern. Chalice punishes you for playing efficient 1-drops, which kinda goes against the whole idea of an eternal format. Choke punishes for playing a certain color and not just nonbasics like Moon, which is a fair hoser. Tron forces the entire format to either play something that goes under or sidesteps it (turn 3 aggro or solitaire combo) or run 3-4 pieces of shitty LD and cross their fingers, not really something that should be encouraged imo.

I know at least one person will go REE after reading this, I'd like your thoughts.

>>53112106
purely from a game play perspective I disagree because I think ridiculous but narrow hosers are an integral part of the game. especially regarding chalice, prison strategies are a legitimate play style even if they're a bit of a groan to play against. I think less things should be banned and players should be made to adapt against them rather than banning more stuff

>>53111327
Can it please just get a Judge foil reprint with that art?

>>53111597
It was
https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/modern-all-spells-no-lands/

>>53112320
There's a difference between a deck and some twoo shitbrew experiment that was documented to yt for some unknown reason.

>>53112320
No. Not a real deck.

Unban please

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Unban

>>53112491
>uban this
>Grove of the burningwillows breaks $100

suspend is best mechanic. fite me

>>53112777
Best mechanics are Cycling, Suspend, Flashback, Gravestorm, Convoke, Haunt, Radiance, Forecast, Hellbent, Landfall, and Sweep

>>53112849
>Haunt, Radiance, Forecast

You lost me there . Those three are all forgettable as fuck.

>>53112873
yeah gotta agree with this. Plus it doesn't include rebound or dredge

>>53112849
>>53112873
>>53113013
Fuck mechanics, just gimme delicious keywords like trample

>>53112849
>Sweep
What the hell?

>>53112358
>>53112364
The chart says "this is seriously not a deck"
If you want to tryhard, don't look at this part and go back to play GBx

>>53111887
>Currently trying out a combo build that focuses on Druid/Vizier, it feels like a meme but turn three spaghetti mom is no joke.
Have you tested it to any extent? My testing isn't positive so far, especially in this meta where Wall of Roots does so much is practically every game. Also the fact that the full infinite mana combo works only at sorcery speed if you are talking about the Balista kill (which is the most common kill route I see) is another major downside.

I don't think this will stick desu

>>53112491
make ponza viable again

>>53113095
The chart is garbage

>>53113473
ur garbage

>>53113508
that sounds like a shit deck

>>53113765
4 u

I want a fun deck to play, I haven't played since mirrodin released a long, long time ago.

willing to spend 300~ on a deck, prefer it not be a current meta deck.

I like playing black/blue/green, but I like eldrazi too from what I've seen of them.

Can any of you give me a heads up on a deck like that?

>>53113938

For $300 you can't get that much, but since you like Eldrazis, you should be able to get the skeleton of Eldrazi Tron. Just swap the ballistas for other Eldrazi, switch Karn for Ugin and get the Chalices later.

>>53110963
>elves
>slow
If turn 3 kill most of the time and turn 4 the rest is slow, I'm disappointed

I'm looking to make a gay deck. Which deck would you say is quintessentially homosexual?

>>53114645
Ad Nauseam.

I never saw a single person with normall sleeves that do not either have ponies on them or are flamingly pink/in rainbow colors.

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>>53114426
>he doesn't kill his opponents turn 1

>>53113114
Yeah, it does effectively only work at sorcery speed but the important thing about technically being instant is that you can Company into it on your opponent's end step and fire off a Chord to grab Emrakul and win.

Alternatively, there's also the possibility of using Duskwatch Recruiter to draw every creature in your deck and just flood the board. My current build has 14 creatures castable with mono green, and the rest are light enough on color requirements that I can pretty reasonably expect to throw out one or two more to win via combat. On top of that, Vizier of Remedies works with the regular persist combo, so that just leads back to infinite life as long as you've got a single black mana up to cast Viscera Seer. Best of all, this completely bypasses graveyard hate, which was a major problem previously.

All that being said, I'd agree that Wall of Roots is in general better than Devoted Druid in the average Company list because of how well it works with Chord and how defensive the deck needs to play right now. In terms of differences in builds, I replaced both Archangel of Thune/Spike Feeder with two Druids, both of my Meliras with Viziers, and a Noble Hierarch and an Eternal Witness for two Recruiters.

In terms of general strength vs the meta you have to take into account every version of Company that's going around. There's the original fast combo version which is just terrible right now because everyone's got a shitload of graveyard hate. The hatebear version was unfortunately never very strong to begin with. The combo/aggro version that uses Saffi and Renegade Rallier is alright, but it still folds to the same graveyard hate that's going around right now. The Courser of Kruphix/Tireless Tracker version has a really good long game, but I don't think it works particularly well against the early aggressive meta right now. The Druid build just seems like the way to go.

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>>53111597
my bad, i kinda forgot about this

>>53114426
i'm not smart enough to make it a flowchart and have arrows from the "fast" branch also lead to the "built in combo" branch

>>53114645
there used to be a meme that merfolk was played exclusively by gays or something

tfw no block constructed

>>53110810
what format should i play if i want to win with homebrews?

>>53115374
Kitchen table

>>53115374
Time travel back to pre rtr modern before wizards fucked up the format with abrupt decay.

>>53115207
I got bant eldrazi. Is it a good deck? I have no idea, haven't played mtg in over 2 years and haven't played modern in even longer.

>>53114046
How good is Eldrazi Tron? Is it as good as classic RG Tron?

>>53115444
You're retarded. Please stop posting

>>53110963
this chart was and still is garbage

>>53111264
just use the decklist links in the OP and find something you like and work from there

>>53115535
Giving bg the ability to kill ANY noland 3 or less really took more out of the format than it brought to the table. So many cards are simply unplayable because of it and it lowkey pushed bgx over the edge.

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Did you pick up your copies yet?

>>53115653
Fuck off TezzolatorMagic

>>53115645
That's why it sees little play, right?

Nobody builds a deck with decay in mind. Most modern decks curve out at 3 still

>>53115653
Fuck yes I did. Tezzerator is legit now.
The salt from bridge is just icing now

>>53115677
It still see play. Show me a bg deck that doesn't run it. Sure, it's not good against the gray spaghetti monsters but it's still pushing out cards like swords,isochron scepter and other artifacts and enchanments that normally no one would be able to answer game 1.

>>53115777
>I want more silver bullets in sideboards
>general answers are bad because I can't play these mediocre cards
Are you finished?

>>53115829
They wouldn't be mediocre if abrupt decay didn't exist. :)

>>53115777
>normally no one would be able to answer game 1.
You're saying this like it is a good thing
Look, I play blue and my entire deck gets hit by decay. It's still a fine card

>>53115857
>if I put a smiley I can play it off as if I was merely pretending when I inevitably get btfo

>>53115374
Kitchen table, maybe block constructed, edh

>>53115889
I wasn't btfo. :)

>>53115490

It is Tier 1 at the moment, so yes.

>>53115653
Nope. Whir doesn't make it any easier to throw bolts at people so I have no need.

>>53115968
So is Gx Tron, to be fair.

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>>53114645
Not a gay deck but the things it does are pretty gay (no homo bro)

>>53115374
Modern is alright for brews tbqh. It's a format with dozens of lowtier decks, and so many more considering the variations of those decks. Had lots of success with BLUE STAFF and right now having a fun with MonoRed Goggles.

How's hatebears in this meta?

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Skred tech

>>53116173
Eh

>>53116173
Play Eldrazi and Taxes, you get to play all the fun shit from old Hatebears decks, with the added benefit of being able to throw spaghetti everywhere.

>>53116173
I'd say things are looking good for monowhite. The ability to run 4 Ghost Quarter and 4 Tectonic Edge is invaluable right now.

>>53116185
Lmao no thanks

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>>53115889
>If I say he was btfo he was btfo!

>>53116388
Mono white taxes is classic, I swear it's bound to be tier 1 if they give it a bit of love.

My main gripes with the deck are
A) doesn't go very tall
This sucks in Modern moreso than Legacy considering people are hardcasting Drowner of Hopes and Endbringers on the regular. This isn't so much a problem, you play the tempo game really well and with Flickerwisps and Paths you can usually go under most decks. I find that packing a single Sword does a lot of work too, and some people have started to run their own Smashers in E&T.
B) doesn't have too many haymaker 2drops
You have Leonin and Thalia only, and Modern is too wildcard to reliably run many other 2drops (spirit of the labrynth, ethersworn, grand abolisher, etc etc etc). There's been good printings with Selfless Spirit and Copter as solid 2drops, but casting Serra Avengers isn't really taxing.

Lots of good 3drops, lots of great but niche 2drops, but I feel like the deck is missing a bear.

U/W looks like a ton of fun, as you get Leonin, Thalia and Meddling Mage as your core which solves that issue, and Queller is busted in creature decks.

>>53116536
>he's still going

>>53112777
>suspend
weird way to spell delve and phyrexian mana and replicate

>>53115653
yeah. I don't even plan to make tezzerator it's just a cool and cheap card

>>53116185
This is titanshift tech you tool
For when your opponent plays pay no heed to fuck your valakut triggers.

>>53116667
serra avenger is the death, the rest of it is the taxes.

>U/W looks like a ton of fun, as you get Leonin, Thalia and Meddling Mage as your core which solves that issue, and Queller is busted in creature decks.
UW Jerks is mad decent

>>53117074
>delve and phyrexian mana and replicate
Delete this.

Would buying into the druid combo be a bad idea? It seems pretty resilient to discard and nobody has cage in the sb anymore. What's the downside?

>Inb4 some 14 year old memer replies with "just play DSJ"

>>53116852
>he
First post in this thread familam

>>53117506
What decks do you already own anon? Have you tried playing the deck via Xmage or with proxies? Never EVER buy into a deck unless you know that you will enjoy playing it.

>>53117553
Oh you're just an idiot too. Good to know

>>53117506
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sample-coco-druid-maymay/

It's a fun deck and nuPod has a lot of customization. Test it out first though like the other anon said.

I'm missing a slot in my 4c Saheeli Kiki Evo list, help pls.

1 Noble or 2? 1 Huntmaster or 2?

Should I bother with the Kiki meme or just swap him for a Thragtusk?

>turn 1 bird, turn 2 saheeli, turn 3 felidar
>turn 1 bird, turn 2 saheeli, turn 3 saheeli minus bird, cast 2 drop, evo into felidar

http://pastebin.com/rpPvYtg7

>>53117639

Currently don't own anything in paper but I've goldfished with the list and it seems to hold its own, but I haven't had the chance to play against too many decks since xmage is filled with shitter homebrews, burn, and tron. This is the list I currently run, I didn't even think of selfless spirit until I saw >>53117742

2x Viscera Seer
2x Recruiter
4x Vizier
4x Druid
4x Finks
1x Pridemage
1x Scooze
1x Ballista
4x Coco & Chord
4x BoP
3x Witness
1x Fiend hunter
2x Path
1x Spawnsire of ulamog for a total of 3 wincons with emmy-chan and good ulamog in sb

Don't want to post sideboard since it''s a mess right now.

Why do people bring their folders with cards they don't want to sell/trade to LGS?
It's fucking annoying.

>check dudes folder
>ask for basic swamps from 5th
>he doesnt sell them
>ask about SSG's
>he doesnt sell them
>go to another dude
>same story only for old basics
>he does not sell them

Like, fucking really?

>>53117993
Looks solid anon. Wish I had a Fiend Hunter mainboard.

Spawnsire is fucking hilarious, Ballista seems like enough but there's nothing quite like casting spagnicience.

I've been digging Rhonas lately. If I had Murderous Redcap I'd run Menagerie, but SnekGod sink works well and he's a sweet CoCo hit.

>>53118110
Sell and trade are worlds apart, I would sell nothing in my folders but trade all of it (assuming the trades are worth it)..

>>53118110
You're not very bright, are you?

My two favorit cards are Voice of Resurgence and Huntmaster of the Fells. Is there any non-t8 shitbrew that can reasonably run both of these cards? Or is it just Kiki-chord?

>>53118249
RUG delver is probably the best huntmaster deck. 4 in the side. Doesn't play voice though

>>53118266
Damn that sounds fun. That deck curves out at like 2cmc so he'll be flipping all the time.
Too expensive for me though I think

>>53118249
>>53117984
It's a shitbrew but it's got character.

>>53118110
i bring an empty binder and say 'there's really nothing in there' to trigger binder-sharks when they insist on flipping through it.

>>53117993
>xmage is filled with shitter homebrews, burn, and tron.
Really? I honestly feel like I'm the only person on Xmage who plays Burn. for the past week and a half the only things I've encountered are faggots playing the new As Foretold control deck and Bant spirits.
You are setting the search criteria to Serious right?

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>>53118536
No, see, what you do is put a bunch of garbage cards like pic related in the binder backwards so he has to pull it out, flip it, and put it back every time.

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>>53118595
yessssss

>>53118154

Would you have a recommendation for a good sideboard against an open meta like xmage? I have 4 natures claim in the sb, with 2x fulminators and 2x surgicals. I wish those two weren't required, it's so fucking clunky. Other than that I'm lost. I want to run yixilid jailer because future sight is god-tier but that fucks one of my 3 wincons

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skaillz (text) obfuscator is fun

>>53118783
Teegster handles a lot of things, I don't know if surgical is needed. Fulmy is a nice hedge too, the tron matchup is decent between stony/teeg/fulmy.
Just try and have a bullet for each matchup if you can I guess. Free wins with Chord silver bullets are great.

>>53118554

Sorry for the late reply. What server are you on? On the German one, all I seem to run into are Brazilians playing tron or random second worlders playing burn. The rest seem to be fringe decks with DSJ being pretty uncommon.

>>53119281
I'm on Woogerworks, the NA server.
As far as I can tell the BRs on our server stick to EDH and casual play.

>>53119158

I swapped out one witness for a selfless spirit mainboard. Tweaked the sideboard a lot, here's what I'm probably going to use when xmage decides to stop shitting itself.

2x Nature's Claim
2x Abrupt decay
1x Ethersworn Canonist
1x Selfless Spirit
1x Teeg
2x Fulms
1x Firewalker
1x Kataki
1x Rhonas Which is probably a much more reasonable wincon than spawnsire but nothing beats annihilating/exiling someone's entire board if they don't just scoop immediately

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im torn. i want to run coco in this deck but primal command is a blowout against death shadow and tron which are the big players in my meta, that and affinity. what do you guys think coco or primal command as a x4 of
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nissas-devotion-2/

How much would you sell future sight goyfs for?

Hoping to trade in for MM1 foil tarmo

daily reminder that delver is not a good card in modern and you should feel like a dumbass for playing it

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>>53121063

>>53121118
It's great. Not legacy level but it pretty much always flips for me

>>53121135
But foil fs goyfs are like 1000 cad

>>53121202
even if FS goyfs are only $20 more than MM goyfs (non-foil obv) the mm goyfs are clearly the pleb choice on border alone

>>53121314
The first masters border is fine. We're also talking foil so it's much more than a 20 dollar difference

>>53110973
Actually Shadow of the Grave is much better for enabling the New Perspectives combo.

Played against this deck at FNM and stomped it, but was still an interesting deck and much more consistent than flameblade + snake.

>>53121468
nothing is better than FS border and art

>>53115374
Pauper.

Seriously, just play pauper. It's by far the best format in the game, where every archetype is viable and brews can succeed.

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>>53121964
except storm

>>53122499
Storm is not a fucking archetype you mongoloid

>>53120916
Take out a Knight and 1 mana dork for 2 commands

>>53121964
Are there seriously any stores around you that play Pauper? Let alone something like Block Constructed.

I don't like MTGO. I need to have the cards in my hand

>>53122543
storm brews can't succeed

>>53122784
that's because they're banned

>>53117984
I'd run the 1 of scooze main before teeg, it's just a generally better card across match ups.

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>>53123086
I was thinking that too, it was either Scooze or him. Game one having 5 copies of Teeg would be hilarious though.

Still open to a more synergistic card, Scooze is never bad to have but it feels so out of place without an etb effect.

>>53115444
>I dont like answer cards
This is like saying that creature decks cant win because Push and Path are in the format
I know you are baiting but Abrupt Decay isnt even seeing that much play nowadays, Traditional Jund is on a huge downswing and Deaths Shadow variant only plays maximum of two of them

>>53115645
>So many cards are simply unplayable because of it
Such as?

>>53112550
>Mfw when I got my old cards back from my dad and found two burnwillows and a foil

>>53123086
What are your thoughts on forgoing the additional 2drop, and instead adding a 1-2 split of Ewit/Rallier?
Rallier with Evo might be cool, although that means the 3drop slot is jam packed. There's only 8 2drops, which might be fine in a deck with mana dorks and oaths but I'm unsure.

How about a fun exercise: Take a card that's currently modern legal, but is either bad or mediocre, and then suggest another card to make legal (either through reprint or unbanning) that would make the bad card playable or even good.

>>53123843
I tried rallier in a similar list, I was never impressed. Never wanted to search it up with evo, never felt too good drawing it either. If you want a value 3 drop try tireless tracker as a 1 of.

>>53123884
delver of secrets: brainstorm, force of will, daze, stifle, wasteland reprint into standard, ponder unban.

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>>53124808

>>53118536
>>53118207
>>53118157
I know /tg/ had some serioust asperges autists but seems modern general tops it of.

https://youtu.be/GvoYijLmits

>>53110705
There's a solid new perspectives deck (multiple 5-0 wins and came 5-3 in the standard event yesterday) that cycles through the entire deck and wins from a second sun combo. I'll find you the list.

>>53110705
>>53125388

RIZER (5-3)
STANDARD MOCS #10601774 ON 05/06/2017

DECKLIST

Creature (9)
4 Shefet Monitor
1 Sphinx of the Final Word
4 Vizier of Tumbling Sands
Sorcery (5)
1 Approach of the Second Sun
4 Traverse the Ulvenwald

Instant (12)
4 Haze of Pollen
4 Renewed Faith
4 Shadow of the Grave

Enchantment (11)
4 Cast Out
4 New Perspectives
3 Weirding Wood

Land (23)
1 Fetid Pools
5 Forest
2 Fortified Village
4 Irrigated Farmland
1 Island
1 Plains
4 Scattered Groves
4 Sheltered Thicket
1 Swamp

Sideboard (15)
1 Angel of Sanctions
1 Dispel
4 Drake Haven
2 Kefnet the Mindful
1 Mountain
3 Negate
3 Radiant Flames

>>53125420
I didn't know we were in Standard General!

>>53125420
It works by getting New Perspectives out, cycling vizers on a Wierding Wood land to generate tons of mana. Shadow of the graving it back and going again. You draw your entire deck and sun twice. If you have a Sphinx on board there's nothing they can do to stop you.

>>53125367
Kys pls

Full art snow lands when?

>>53125698
snow block when?

>>53125732
Battle for Ice Age, where we have to fight the Eldrazi in the snow.

>>53125756
>Gideon, One with the Frost
>+1: Gideon, One with the Frost becomes a 5/5 creature with indestructible until end of turn

>>53126048
>>+1: Gideon, One with the Frost becomes a 5/5 snow creature with indestructible until end of turn

>>53126075
>Both abilities are on the card

>>53126087
>0: Gideon One with the Frost taps all permenants target oppenant controls. They don't untap as long as you control a snow permemant

>>53125756
Coldsnap 2: Eldrazi Boogaloo

I want to make a fun deck that's not garbage but isn't a current meta deck that is used to stomp tournaments.


http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/competitive-modern-mill-2/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/extirpate-their-sanity/

I really like this deck
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/1117/

I really really really like this deck

>>53128065
Cut off half of my post

I'm not too knowledgeable since I haven't played in sometime, want to make sure the money I shell out isn't completely wasted

>>53128065
Mill is bad, don't do it.

>>53128065
Mill is fun, do it.

>>53128065
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/competitive-modern-mill-2/

Splash white for good sideboard cards such as disenchant, RiP, Silence, etc. The mistake I see most mill decks make is not having any decent way of dealing with a leyline or fueling dredge.

>>53124896
Sorry you're an idiot and can't understand why someone wouldn't sell. You may be the one with the disability

>>53123884
I just want a Vindicate reprint. Good mainboardable answers to permanents would lessen the feel bads of stuff like Chalice and Blood Moon.

Even: Mill
Odd: Ponza
Dubs: Kithkin

>>53129255
Well well well

>>53129255
Nice

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>hits Tron lands, Chalice, Moon, Karn, Liliana, etc.,
Not very good against aggressive decks but it would be nice to have cards that fight the "I win" cards and hosers. Also being able to mainboard destroy a Tron land would be nice.

>>53129463
>3 mana
np, ill just play another

>>53129519
If im on the play hopefully its enough to throw you off of getting it at least for a turn, alternatively it could hit one of Trons retarded payoff cards.

Freedom juice
Artifact
1
Cannot be countered

You cannot be stopped from searching your library, from targeting an opponent, or have your spells countered by a permanent.

>>53129652
like ulamog's on cast triggers? Or ugin's boardwipe/bolt?

why do people say modern is more unbalanced than legacy? what exactly keeps people from taking decks that are considered OP in modern and playing them in legacy?

>>53129865
are you serious?

>>53129874
i'm a noob desu i'm just curious

>>53129887
one format plays shocklands and path to exile. the other plays duals and swords to plowshares

Good place to buy cards? My lgs has no stock

>>53129865
The only people who say this are salty blue control faggots who are upset because they cant jerk off on their side of the table for 30 minutes durdleing around to find the one wincon in their deck.

>>53129949
magiccardmarket

>>53129862
Im not saying its the end all answer to Tron or any other deck, but it would be a nice tool to have and since it hits everything you can easily mainboard it.

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>>53130025
wat?

Finally after saving for about a year, I've ordered the final pieces for Modern Jund

Even though it was just bumped down to tier 2, I'm still excited.

>>53130096
Nice anon, still a great deck

>>53130067
Control is a type of gameplay style that just kind of sits back and counters your spells each turn. If you've played kitchen table this is usually a Mono Blue deck or a Blue White deck with some ways to stop creatures from attacking like Arrest.
In Modern and frankly in all of Magics formats now Control sucks this is due to a lot of factors but mostly because Wizards knows players dislike playing against it because its boring.

>>53105406
shard volley is still another bolt on your list, sacrificing a land isn't that hard on you provided you're running only 2 shard volleys

as burn you're usually out of gas anyway before losing one land is super relevant

>>53130192
...Which turns every format into a race to see who can aggro/combo fastest.

There's a reason that veteran players like blue the most.

>>53130828
Blue based tempo decks are much more fun to play with and against than control imo. Delver is life

>>53130192
>players dislike playing against it
No, whiny cunts don't like playing against it.

>inb4 t. control player

I don't play control.

>>53130192
The kind of people who complain that control decks take forever to win are the kind of people who will make a combo player play out their entire combo even when they know how it works.

What makes swords to plowshares better than path?

>>53131154
path puts the other player up a land drop and health is largely a meme

>>53131154
Path ramps your opponent being card disadvantage, life total is irrelevant if you're the stabilizing party and giving life to Death's Shadow is actively good.

>>53129915
so modern is more unbalanced than legacy because legacy has better cards??

>>53130974
Yeah, tempo is cool in formats where midrange doesn't just have the same thing but better. Why would I choose to play vapor snag when I could be playing fatal push? Or Mana leak/remand when I could abrupt decay? Sure, it's not exactly the same thing, but 9/10 times they're answering the same card and the permanent version does it better.
Don't get me wrong, deliver is great. It just doesn't work in modern because you have to choose between playing threats and protecting them when there is almost limitless removal for your threats.

>>53131275
Are you genuinely retarded or just trolling?

>>53131463
i just started playing mtg and im trying to find a format that isn't just overrun with $1000 dollar netdecks, pls spoonfeed me desu

>>53131541
Just play burn anon

>>53131541
>$1000 dollar netdecks
How about kill yourself.

>>53131541
Pauper.
It is a legit format.
It's closer to legacy than modern. You'll see aggro, combo, and control decks. Brewing works. Expect to spend $20ish, or 50ish for a t1 streamlined high end deck.
Plus, the cards you buy for pauper are staples in whatever format you move to afterwards.
It is the purest waifu format.

>>53131576
Cheapest meta modern deck is 600$~

>>53131593
Pretty sure it was more about the "netdeck" part, which is definitely a reason to tell someone to kill themselves. Complaining that people want to play good decks is gradeschool shit.

>>53131275
P much.

>>53122591
that actually sounds like a good tip, thanks friend

This is my Eldrazi and Taxes list

1x Brimaz, King of Oreskos
4x Eldrazi Displacer
4x Flickerwisp
4x Leonin Arbiter
4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2x Thalia, Heretic Cathar
4x Thought-Knot Seer
4x Tidehollow Sculler
3x Wasteland Strangler

4x Caves of Koilos
4x Concealed Courtyard
4x Eldrazi Temple
4x Ghost Quarter
3x Plains
2x Shambling Vent
1x Swamp

4x Path to Exile
4x Aether Vial

Side:
1x Anguished Unmaking
2x Kor Firewalker
1x Pithing Needle
3x Rest in Peace
3x Stony Silence
1x Zealous Persecution

I have 4 slots to fill in the SB. What am I missing?

>>53132125
Disenchant effects. Needle on displacer or vents hurts a lot.
Consider hero of bladehold instead of brimaz, since decay is so prevalent.
I like the list, though.

>>53132267
Thanks, should I run 2 or 3 Disenchant?
Brimaz is kind of a pet card of mine, I know HoB is better in many ways but I'm not likely gonna swap it out.

>>53132321
Fair. I loved kittyking in legacy dnt.
2 is probably fine, along with an oring and an ally of zendikar.

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>>53132125
played eldrazi taxes for a year and a half.
for sb: cut anguished and 1x stony (nonbo with vial, but amazing enough that you cant not run it. 3x might be overkill) also not a fan of pithing needle. i also question how good zealous is with infect on the down low, but its still a busted amazing card. add some amount of kataki, 1x gideon AOZ to utterly fuck grixis and worship to beat dsj and other decks that cant deal with you just going wide as hell. timely reinforcements is also v good for shoring up zoo matchup and making burn matchup even more unloseable. also no blessed alliance?

for mb: i really suggest cutting 2x thalia, and maybe running thraben inspectors or something else. she's not as good in modern as in legacy. she's only really great vs burn and grixis, and the rest of your deck dumpsters those anyway. is prefer a reality smasher or two over brimaz just cause it closes games so good and is sometimes a 3 drop another big thing is upping your land count to 23 instead of 22. i would suggest a 1 of godless shrine, just to have another dual that comes in untapped, but right before i traded out of taxes i was also testing a wastes as the 23rd as an edge vs blood moon, which was turning out pretty well.

taxes is really fun, and it's still my baby, but eldrazi tron has me now

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>>53132345
christ none of my formatting went through this phone app is shit

>>53131541
Read the OP next time champ and enjoy the (you)

Also just play pauper

>>53112849
>Gravestorm
Patrician
>Flashback
A classic
>Cycling
Only in legacy
The rest is shit

>>53132335
Sounds good, Ill try 2 and pick up AoZ after it rotates out.
>>53132345
Thanks for the tip about stony, I forgot ir doesn't mix well with Vial... I haven't been super impressed with Blessed but Ill give it another shot. If you dont like needle, what do you run to fuck up Tron?

>>53132595
Against affinity you probably board out vial anyway. Not sure why that guy is suggesting to take out needle but I'll assume he knows what he's talking about.
Blessed alliance is dope, though.

>>53131587
Pauper only works in large communities that can support multiple formats. Don't push it assuming everyone has a huge store with a stable population of players. Some places can barely fire Standard and Limited, and Modern is the "next level" of exploration stores usually go. Pauper is somewhere way down the line in terms of priorities.

I feel like most stores as they grow progress as such in their event offerings:
- Standard
- Commander
- Limited
- Modern
- Legacy
- Pauper

Any place that can support Pauper is going to need to be huge with multiple events a week as opposed to just FNM. Looking at most places if they want to be open past business hours to run more than just FNM it's to accommodate Modern or Limited or an entirely different game.

As weird as this may sound, Pauper is a "rich" player's format. Rich as in a rich player base.

>>53132687
Pauper fits all the criteria he put forth. And if nobody in his area plays pauper, nobody will continue playing it. Gotta start somewhere.
Plus, if he buys into pauper and nobody plays it, a) why did he buy into it, b) he bought a bunch of modern and legacy staples, and c) posting that nonsense in a $$$modern general$$$ means that he's probably just a shit poster anyway

Got a few random mythic a like venser and sword of body and mind and other stuff from zendikar/Morridin, was wanting to start playing again...

I see all the decks being linked for 600+$, that's fucking insane.

How is this hobby still alive?

>>53129144
>bring folder with cards you dont want to sell nor trade

For what fucking purpose then? To whip your dick?

I know some people are dense, but you're tipping the scale anon.

>>53133183
People bring shit they're not willing to trade because they're disorganized.

That's all it is. They don't go home and organize their shit. That's why people are carrying massive bags of everything to events and getting their shit stolen because they don't have the mental facilities to know what they'll need or not need for that day so they carry everything.

It's why I don't trade cards anymore. It's such a struggle that it's more economical for me to just buy shit outright than have to deal with peoples' problems. I've got enough personal problems myself, but I'm not out to waste peoples' time with my issues.

There's two players at my store and they have all the cards. They shark and trade for absolutely everything anybody has and they're sitting on thousands of singles in dollars and in volume. They've positioned themselves to be the go-to people for cards; they have a bigger stock than the fucking store itself. And I don't have a problem with that except they bitch and moan every time Wizards reprints product and lets everyone know it. And it's fucking disgusting because Wizards doesn't reprint enough product as is.

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i just made a mtgo account, what should i spend my 5 tickets on

>>53117074
>delve and phyrexian mana and replicate
Das it mane.

>>53133090
90% something of all players play kitchentable shit like casual or EDH or so Wizards claims.

>>53133730
I'd love to see how they extrapolate that from their survey data and sanctioned event attendance data. Because you fucking can't.

Unless for some reason they knew the exact probability that an exclusive kitchen-table player answers surveys over a player that does sanctioned events and applied that to sales numbers, which they certainly cannot track what is done with that product.

>>53133865
data was taken from R&D as well as their internal playtest group, then expanded to fit the rest of the world's population

>>53133901
Man don't joke about things like that.

I really do wonder what the people in Wizards think about what they're doing. I wish we knew if it was corporate that was dictating this lack of transparency or if the people working on the game are just that incompetent.

I couldn't do their job, especially not at that salary. I couldn't sit there every day and watch them drive the game off a cliff every couple months.

Everyone here blames someone in the company. But we'll never know for sure who is at fault.

>>53134067
?????? What is wotc doing wrong

>>53133183
Trading and selling are different

>>53134097
Just... lurk more.

Maybe read the thread; I know that's hard on a phone but you should still do it.

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>>53132677
>>53132595
im back,
this is what i'm on now.

blessed alliance is really good. i dont like pithing needle vs tron because i felt with 4x leonin 4x quarter and well as endless flickerwisp shenanigans (upkeep flicker tron land, flicker karn, strangle it) my tron matchup was 60-40 in my favor or better. stony silence is a really good sb piece vs tron already, and again i felt like my mb was suited enough, so id rather have the sb slot for another card

>>53134167
also this tron list is super untuned, i literally haven't played an actual paper game with it yet so i haven't been able to make any real adjustments yet pls no bulli

>>53134113
No they aren't

>>53134163
Been reading the thread all day. Prices and shitty meta?

>>53134167
>eldrazi tron
>gay playmat
Checks out.

>>53134344
whats the best tron variant then
suicide?

>>53134187
>t. retard

>>53134546
t. I don't know how to t. post

>>53133730
>>53133865
Theres a huge population of blue collar fucks that work in places like oil rigs and up north in the logging industry, or military, that pick up large amounts of produce when they come back to civilization to take back with them. They build decks out of whatever they have and trade amongst themselves. These guys give zero fucks about formats, netdecks, banlists or even playing with 60 cards decks. I met a logger once with a monoblack zombie deck, 200cards plus. I tried to convince him to cut to 60 for consistency and was promptly told to go fuck myself. People like this exist all over the world, not everyone gives a shit about getting gud, making top 8 at FNM or racking up planeswalker points. This is also the reason the advertisements are still on the back of tokens, they'd never know about FNM otherwise.

Bonus: these guys are also a large part why porn magazines and dvds are still around. No internet means you have to stock up before returning to work.

>>53134792
Product*

>>53134792
>200 card Zombie deck.

I know it shouldn't amaze me that people like this exust, but I'm on some level I still am. It's not hard to figure out that the minimum card limit is optimal, and yet people still refuse to see it. A casual friend of mine still doesn't include a single playset in his decks because he thinks conaistancy is "unfun".

Fuck, I would play with a 30 card deck if I could. 9-10 lands, 20-21 burn spells and I'm good to go.

>>53135056
>Fuck, I would play with a 30 card deck if I could. 9-10 lands, 20-21 burn spells and I'm good to go.
If 30 cards was the minimum you'd be better off playing mill than burn

>>53134792
Sure, that's fine and dandy that people like that exist. No problem with them existing.

The problem is stating the numbers when the data collection is weak and voluntary surveys are always insufficient.

Then it comes to the matter of whether or not the kitchen table people matter. I mean, why would you need to appeal to their needs when they'll happily buy whatever the fuck you spit out. Sure, it's easy money for minimal effort, but I can't help but think that pissing off the people who care about the game's finer points is going to lead to issues.

I can't claim to imagine the issues actually; because I don't want to assume that "serious" players spend enough money to merit the effort. Maybe they can just keep on reprinting the same card with different P/T values CMC all day every day. I mean fuck it, if it's just mostly people playing at home or schools then fucking just abandon the LGS. Fuck prereleases and fuck the judge program if the vast majority of players don't care to learn to even ask experts for help.

>>53135098
I guess I didn't think about that, because mill is just lame. Also people would just slot in an auto-shuffle card like Emrakul and the like, and mill would play something like Rest in Peace to counter that. A 30 card format could be pretty interesting now that I think about it. Guess my friends and I can go test it out. It'll probably be terrible, though.

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For extremely epic and funny Gideon tribal memes, I'll keep watch.

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If it means BGx will never go under Tier 1, I'll keep watch.

is $500 normal entry for a mill deck?

like 1-2 cards are insanely expensive..

>>53135883
mill is bad

>>53135883
Don't build mill it is bad. Spend your money on something good

>>53135978

>>53135978


Come by whenever boys

>>53132465
Also Chroma, Absorb, Grandeur, and Madness

>>53135883
new player detected.

>>53105778
This. They show foils like shit, but as long as you're a poorfag like me they're the best

>>53133461
>i just made a mtgo account
That was a pretty poor decision to be honest.

>>53134167
>modern border Tron lands
Literally vomiting right now