Pathfinder General /pfg/

Elf Suppliments for Pathfinder?
I want to run a campaign in the Feywild, it is supposed to be a civil war.

>>53091249
Feywild is more a 4E thing.

If you want elves and their shit, you look for "Elves of Golarion", or you look up Kyonin on the Pathfinder Wiki.
If you want fey and their shit, try looking up "The First World, Realm of the Fey."

But gnomes are the default fey-linked race in Pathfinder's default setting.

>>53091288
>>53091249
Inner Sea Races can tell you more about elves, as well. You might also want to look up Heroes of the Wild, it's got a fair few fey-related character options.

>>53091249
the book on the First World (Basically Golarion's feywild) should be a good supplement for you. Can't remember what it's called.

Any cool tricks for monk abilities that you guys know of? They become naturally immune to a lot of things.

When a monk becomes immune to poison, there are a ton of tricks you can do. Like keeping a packet of contact poison under your tongue, and biting down on it to spit at someone with a ranged touch attack with a range of 5 feet.

You can also cover your fists in contact poison, and then maximize your chance of slaying with quivering palm if your poison their constitution score.

Furthermore there are body oils you can mix with poisons (needs three doses)and coat yourself, so when you are swallowed by something, they are hit with three doses of poison which increase the DC by +4

Its a good help to have your rogue friend craft poisons

>>53091583
I like that spit one. You can also use slowfall to deliver falling damage to enemies while ignoring it yourself.

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>>53091583
>>53091686
Stop making me want to play monk, monks are shit

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>>53092802
Monks aren't that bad.
Are Seasons 7 and 8 of PFS Scenarios anywhere?

>>53091249
Don't fey civil wars involve dinner parties and other social gatherings?

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Can anime be allowed if it's good anime?

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>>53093477
No.

>>53093486
Then you're completely missing the issue and should refrain from making threads. You're almost as bad as those /erpg/ refugees.

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>>53093486
Why not?

Has anyone used the Nemesis Well in their games?

>>53091686
Doesn't that actually make you fall slower, though?

>>53093459
Yes, because the Fey see zero distinction between the rules of nature and the rules of etiquette. The tiniest slip-up in one's presence is not only rude, it's a violation of their very essence.

Hello, I need a way to destroy an entire town. Hopefully as early in terms of level as possible.

Party consists of a Level 1 Druid, Level 2 Sorcerer and Level 2 Cleric.

Hopefully something from the core rulebook.

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>>53093614
What is the population of the town and the Cleric's domains?

How did FotJR go? Is SotJR tonight?

>>53093719
I fucking hate Vikings and the story being presented as something funny or even admirable is gross. Those people were raiders and rapists idealized by idiots who don't recognize them as the scum they were.

>>53093873
>FotJR
TPK'd

>SotJR
Hasn't played for three weeks due to scheduling problems

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>>53093900
We say the same thing about some PCs around here.

>>53093900
Most of them were just traders and explorers, but I suppose you're a butthurt frenchman.

>>53093997
Doesn't stop people from immortalizing their raiders as some sort of semi-mythical paragon of Northern badassery.

Yeah, the people who raped and pillaged monasteries and defenseless villages only to scurry away or get massacred in pitched battles are people worthy of respect. They were hardly any better than the Barbary Corsairs, and I don't see people whitewashing them.

are debuffing builds viable? it seems so useless to bother with debuffing random mooks one at a time when a bard can boost everyone nigh indefinitely while doing other shit.

>>53093873
>FotJR

Pretty good, although the Quasit was certainly a problem.

>SotJR
Scheduled to run tonight!

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>>53094050
Not really, since combat ends too quickly for it to matter.

>>53094023
Yet

>>53094023

To be honest, when you have mercenary forces going around as adventurers pressing claims and fucking shit up, and then you somehow accidentally into the nobility of a region, you end up sort of lionized.

Shit was crazy stupid.

>>53094023

As the Muslim populations - especially North African and Turkic - continue to grow in Europe, you should expect to see them glorify the Barbary Corsairs the same way they glorified the Vikings; start by portraying them as clever yet cruel raiders, lionize one or two notable captains, and then gradually explain how the slavers and rapists who depopulated entire coastlines for chattel were people too, and because they were people they must have been nice.

>>53093614
Stone shape, wood bending, and growing plants fucks a lot of stuff up. Break a damn or a levy system if they have. Cause landslides or avalanches depending on terrain. Warp the foundations and plant dangerous seeds that grow indiscriminately. Set the city on fire.

>>53094122
All of those applications of muslim law; the honor killings and forcing the veil and all that crap, should be punished with extreme prejudice.

Anyone that claims they're escaping the sociopolitical climate of a place has no fucking right trying to recreate it here.

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT SARENRAE

>>53094253

Only if you do it nonlethally

>>53094253
I bet Sarenrae is in Starfinder.

GUESS WHICH GOD DOESNT FIT IN STARFINDER. HE RHYMES WITH AMASTIL.

>>53094062
that's what I figured. I guess I could make a boss-killer, but I don't want to be useless outside of big fights or combat all together.

>>53091203
>Pathfinder
>no anime allowed
pick one

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Speaking of Deities,

Which other ones do you want to make it to Starfinder? What do you want to happen to those that didn't make the cut?

What other bits of the original setting do you want to make it over?

>>53094451
Kurgess, god of SPACE SPORTS.

>>53094451
Brigh for tech/innovation goddess

>>53094451

I want every Goddess in, and every god out. Abadar being the god of money is evil, and Asmodeus is evil so he's in too.

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>>53094390
Then focus on buffing.

It will end combat sooner when your team has a higher chance of hitting.

If you make the enemy hit less often, it will get dragged out.

Oh, a few threads ago, it sort of came up, but what do you think about deities that didn't get through becoming like the Shadowrun dragons, running groups and organizations that are still related to their portfolio?

Someone like Lamashtu would be the CEO and Head Researcher of !Umbrella and Lolth would have her own creepy Space Colony.

>>53094475
Looking her up, I can't help but imagine some automated church.

How do I attain an unreasonable land speed at a relatively low level, such as 5 or 6?
I want to shoot my body into the moonlight and feel like I've just been in this place before (higher on the street).
Seems like getting a fast mount and pumping potions of Cheetah Sprint into it's veins is the way to go with 1pp. How about 3pp stuff? Is there a class that's made for going very fast?

I'm not seeking to be Not!Flash, a fast mount or time-bending or something is fine too. I just want the ability to move from place to place very fast (without it being teleportation).

>>53094451
Alseta should upgrade to also cover warp gates or whatever they'll call their convenient fast-travel doodads.

>open thread
>Ctrl+f Overlewd
>0 hits

Where is my monthly salt injection? I'm running low here.

>>53094875
Let me snooze ruze ooze.

>>53094875
It's still Saturday.

>>53094451
I'll be honest I wanted NONE of them to get in there.

In fact, I was annoyed golarion was even in there long enough to disappear. It just makes things too fucking... blatant. They couldn't even go different universe, and instead throw in all these heavy-handed measures, and, for what? Because they don't want us to nuke it from orbit in our own campaign? Because they don't want to have to deal with spacewizard learning the notspace version of wish? Why did they even want to keep it as being the same universe?

>>53094939
You'd kind of expect a Wizard to simply be able to cast Wish without even using the notspace version desu

>>53094363
He'll be the outer rim frontier planet Malcolm Reynolds Tatooine Uncle Ben shit hole colony god!

>>53094962
>>53094939
I thought they said they were going to stop at 6th level spells, so no Elminsters or Forgotten Realms stuff remains.

>>53094900
I thought the picks were announced on saturday?

How do I boost my CMB? Specifically for Reposition.
I've already got the two feats for a +4.
What else can I do?
This is for a level 5 character. Most 3pp is on the table, but not PoW.

>>53094675

>NuPaizo
>Making an evil goddess

Oh wait, they do that all the time. The thing they hate isn't evil goddesses, it's good gods. The penis is inherently evil, after all.

>>53095114
I mean it's not over

>>53095114

He's probably grouping apps up by available time, then toying with group compositions to try and get the best result. That takes time. Hell, he might be at work and will only be able to release the winners once he gets home. So keep your pants on, we'll know when we know.

The tension is getting to me as well though. I'm one of the rando apps, but I'm hoping that it's good enough.

Would this kill a group of 4 Players that are 4rth level?
http://whinehurst.com/darksun/index.php?title=Sand_Bride

>>53095321
Not unless they are bound by their feet to a rock, naked and fatigued. Or have the mental capabilities that make them equivalent of naked, hungry people bound to rocks by their feet.

>>53095197
Remind me to join my first Starfinder game as Bepis Bajeena, androgynous mecha pilot who nobody can tell the gender of.

TN alignment.

>>53095321
That's really weak.

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Looking for the 6th book in hell's vengeance, why is it not in the links at the top?

>>53095197
THE GUN IS GOOD. THE PENIS IS EVIL.

>>53095321
Probably not, unless the party doesn't have means to hurt an incorporeal creature. The level drain makes it a little scary, but it's got a low save DC and only hits for one level. The 1d10 damage hardly matters. Worst case scenario could be death if the party just has the worst luck with die rolls, but that's always an option and the more likely bad end will be the your players win but walk away with a couple negative levels on some people and need to find a person they can pay to remove them (or do it themselves if they can).

This is, of course, assuming the PCs all have a way to damage an incorporeal creature. Magic weapons should be expected by level 4.

>>53094530
>that gif
sauce?

and fuck, you're right. I just don't want to play a bard or skald - what are other good options? sensei monk would probably just be a shitty bard...

>>53095357
There is a Char joke here, but it is too early for me.

>>53095446
>Sauce

Footage from World War 1

>>53095456
I want to fight an LE organization ran by a man named Jamitov Hymen.

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>PoW banned at the table because GM hates counters
>Roll up a Flowing Monk with Snake Style

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>>53095446
Pick something that you have never played before.

Clerics and some Ranger and Hunter archetypes can buff.

I don't know about the occult classes.

If 3pp is available, you could be a Mystic.

>>53095620
Flowing / Iron Mountain stack by the way, it's cheeky shit.

>>53095636
Oh shit, nice.

>>53095631
Occult classes are shooty wizards with extra divination abilities that have a few "ifs" tagging along.

I'd like some advice, /pfg/. I'm making a mid-powered setting with Psionics, Spheres, Akasha, and Strange Magic in place of Vancian casting, and I'd like to give martials some nice things. I really like PoW, but the power boost is a bit too much without 9th-level casters to balance against it. Would the classes be underpowered if I gave them archetype progression?

>>53095631

I want to pull that girl's pig-tails and hide her glasses.

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>>53095716
>I'm making a mid-powered setting with Psionics
>Psionics

Just fucking don't.

>>53095758
Psionics is great you big fucking faggot.

>>53095436
Not sure of the party yet. I make my stuff before I know the PCs so I would not make it easy for them. I guess they will have a spellcaster, but matrials won't have a way to harm the creature because its a random encounter and they don't know these things exist.

>>53095716
they'd need you to manually re-touch their progression, as for some classes the amount of maneuvers they learn and ready is a big balancing factor
for example, warder has 16 maneuvers at level 20, and stalker has 21. that's a big difference.
putting them all on the same progression will be a bigger hit to the stalker, while the warder won't really give a shit

do watch out for 9th level manifesters by the way, they may not be vancian casters but psionics are still very powerful at the top end
spherecasters and veilweavers will almost certainly be "out-magic'd" by a psion

>>53095716
You only end up limiting their versatility and not actual power, since Advanced Study is still a thing.
As long as the players don't go for maximize damage output builds, you should be fine.

Red pill me on firearms in Pathfinder, /pfg/.

Also, how do they fit into a fantasy setting? What I really mean is, how quickly would the invention of firearms cause bows to be phased out? What people would be first to adopt their use? Given their price, I have to assume it would be the hired guards of nobles and governments, followed by well-off merchants and hunters.

>>53095716
>shooting Stalker in the knees any more than it already is

Jeez anon

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>>53095776
Psionics ruins every game.

>>53095850
They don't unless you have a very shitty DM. You're just echoing bullishit for the sake of echoing bullshit.

>>53095817
guns suck dick in pathfinder
they are very accurate but deal bad damage and require serious investment to use properly
not to mention that you have to be either a very specific class or a very specific archetype for fighter to actually use guns

>how quickly would the invention of firearms cause bows to be phased out?
guns cost thousands of gold and are inferior in every way to composite longbows
why would they ever be phased out? because any peasant can use one? a crossbow costs 1/100th the price of a gun and doesn't require anything other than simple weapon proficiency. a crossbow won't explode in your face, either.

even advanced firearms are total shit.
clint eastwood's revolver will get totally shit on by legolas' composite longbow every single time in pathfinder.

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>>53095867
Nah, Psionics are shit for the biggest beta at the table.

>>53095892
I know you're baiting. But I'm bored.

How so? Explain your reasoning.

>>53095892
are you gonna back up your statements with facts or are you planning to continually sprout the same shit while posting irrelevant pictures?

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>>53095891
>guns cost thousands of gold and are inferior in every way to composite longbows

LOLS no.

Longbows couldn't penetrate armour starting in about 1500. Guns could. End of discussion.

>>53095716
Psion and Wilder are pretty much 9 level casters. I'm assuming that your campaign also excludes them, or you'll still have 9-level magic users, just in a different form.

In which case archetype progression is fine. I would give Warlords a few additional maneuvers learned/readied here and there, and Stalkers/Mystics a few more than that to simulate their naturally better progression when compared to Warders/Zealots/Harbringer.

>>53095850
>>53095892
Literally every complaint about psionics I have seen has been

>Nobody read the rules properly and the guy breaking the rules hardest got it banned
>"M-MUH FLAVOR, MUH NO-REFLUFF POLICY"
>idiots who make magic and psionics entirely separate and complain about it being separated

>>53095919
Great.

Too bad that's not represented in PF.

>>53095953
Fuck, I didn't mean to sage. Forgot to change my name field, sorry.

>>53095801
>>53095804
>>53095953
I intend to ban some of the more absurd powers, but I'll still keep an eye on any psions my players make.

I was also considering just using the maneuver-granting archetypes instead of the actual classes, but since my players aren't known for powergaming I might just say fuck it and let them have at it. Thank you all for your input.

>>53095912
Not that guy, but from personal experience, he is not far from the truth. As a gm, during the first players meeting, I always tell everyone there will be no Psion PCs. It just seems to bring out the worst in people. Every one wants to be River Tam, and it throws off the vibe of the campaign.

If you can run them well, kudos, but I just ban them because they always seem to be chosen by the worst players at my table, and by worst I mean the most mathhammery guy there, the one who stereotypes are inspired by.

>>53095792
You're asking for trouble if you expect your PCs to be able to handle something they can't damage. If your players are stupid enough not to buy any magic weapons, they're probably fucked against an incorporeal enemy unless the mage(s) can solo it, which is unlikely. If you're going to insist on leaving the chance to roll randomly into it in your game, be sure you at least make it clear for a party that can't beat it there's a way for them to escape it.

>>53095850
>>53095867
I find that in actual practice few people like using Psionics. It's a shame, because I would like to see it in action.

>>53095891
>even advanced firearms are total shit.
I disagree.

Otherwise you're right. From a pure mechanical perspective, firearms would pretty much never take off. The real advantage of firearms is ironically, that they were EASIER to use than Bows. This can probably be hand waved.
>>53095817
I prefer my fantasy settings to ere closer to the 18-19 century style stuff as opposed to the more middle aged fashion. So including guns is a lot easier. I usually have them start out as some invention that eventually caught on after some revolution involving very heavily armored tough guys getting rekt by peasants.
>>53095919
In Real Life. Yes.

In Pathfinder no. Longbows are more devastating than Laser Rifles 3 fucking level 1 warriors can outdamage a fucking cannon in twice the time.
>>53095953
>Psion and Wilder are pretty much 9 level casters
They're still a lot less effective than Vancian spellcasters Wilder's especially. The most devastating tricks they get are locked behind discipline powers which require specialization and feats. And coincidentally the most "broken" Psionic powers are the ones with direct vancian analogues. So just get rid of most of those and you're gold.

>>53095968
>Too bad that's not represented in PF.

There is a reason for that, because then everyone would have guns.

Although it is kind of funny to imagine a Wizard being headshotted by Johnny Farmer.

>>53095990
So it has nothing to do with the actual mechanics and just because you have a bias against Psionics "just because".

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Remind me again, how much damage does a typical level 1 spell in Starfinder do, and how much damage does a typical laser rifle in Starfinder do?

>mfw melee is still better than ranged

>>53096020
>Lrn2Read

Psionics break the game. Wizards with less restrictions.

What do you guys think of paid GMing?

I'm seeing rates at around $8 per session so thats like $10 an hour for a four hour session assuming you just run 0 effort APs or reuse campaigns that you already prepped for.

>>53095990
So what about rogues, paladins, barbarians, and such? Do they not also bring out the worst in people and thus should be banned?

>>53095990
>Every one wants to be River Tam, and it throws off the vibe of the campaign.
I don't know much about this character but why would it throw off the campaign. Wierd ass magical experiments, mutants, etc are ALREADY ALL IN PATHFINDER IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER. There are sorcerer bloodlines, monsters, alchemist archetypes all based around that. I will never understand this complaint.
>>53096064
Except they have more restrictions than wizards do. It's straight up inherent to the way Psionics fucking work.

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>>53091203
>No Anime Allowed

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>>53096057
Remind me again, since when were we able to read the starfinder books? I'd like a source

>>53096064
Except your entire post is just "muh bad experience with shitty roleplayers" and you said nothing at all about actual mechanical breaking

/tg/ I want to play a melee alchemist who uses two daggers and using the feral mutagen discovery. Do I have to take 2 veatigal arms to use both and then do I need to take TWF or multiweapon? Or is TWF and multi attack good?

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>>53096094
Aww HELL yeah

>>53096013
>guns are shit because if they weren't everyone would use guns
why even have them then?
similarly, why are thrown weapons and slings trash? because everyone would use those?
gotta make sure bows stay the top dog in ranged combat, i guess. wouldn't want legolas being outperformed by a ninja's shuriken.

explain to me why three fighters with longbows get to outdamage a fucking cannon without pulling some shit about "muh fantasy". "muh fantasy" would also allow three ninjas with shuriken, three vikings with throwing axes, or three cowboys with guns to do that, but only the archers are that powerful.

bows are busted in pathfinder, plain and simple.

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Well, I think it's time I bit the bullet and just dropped the announcement.

But first, let me say to absolutely everyone who applied: You have my most heartfelt thanks and my deepest respect. There were a lot of people I wanted to accept, and only so many spaces available. I am happy to have worked with each of you on your applications, and I would welcome any of you to talk writing and roleplaying with me again.

This was one of the most difficult decisions I've had to reach as a GM, and if your character didn't make it in, please don't feel down--you all made a great effort and were very cooperative, I wish you the best of luck in future.

Here's the thing, though: I'm an absolute madman.

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>>53096144
Habbening

>>53096064
>With less restrictions
... What?
No, seriously, what? The closest thing to a wizard-analogue is the Psion, and they are HEAVILY limited by the fact that they need to spend their points to make powers equal to spells. For instance, the "direct elemental damage" power they have needs a ranged touch attack (fairly easy, but still possible of missing unlike a fireball or lightning bolt), needs to put PP into it to deal more than 1d6 damage (unlike the above spells, which automatically-rise in damage as your Caster Level increases), and unlike a wizard is actually HARD-CAPPED on how much bullshit they can throw onto a Power. And every other psionic class is either:
>Highly-focused in what their powers do (Tactician, Vitalist)
>Have a pitiful amount of powers known and are a more-limited Sorcerer overall (Wilder)
>Are 6th-or-4th-level-capped for their powers (everyone else)

So do tell me, what ARE those "less restrictions"? Are you going to tell me the lack of somatic or verbal components? Because psionic powers STILL HAVE SIGNS THAT SAY WHEN THEY'RE BEING USED. Oh no, you can wear a breastplate and not eat shit if you spend the proficiencies on it! Truly, that makes psionics more broken, I'm SURE that you're not just an idiot.

>>53096144
Can this wait dude? We were getting into some classic /pfg/ shit. Some good old fashioned grognard arguing about Psionics and guns shit.

>>53096144
TWO
W
O

GAMES CONFIRMED

>>53096003
Psions are less effective than prepared casters, but moreso than spontaneous. They are 9 level casters through and through, and I don't see how you can argue against this by saying "oh, we can just ban the vancian-equivalent powers that compose most of their list."

Wilders may have much less versatility, but don't forget that they are still 9 level casters with the full list, and access to expanded knowledge to cover some of the discipline powers they normally don't get.

You can't even argue that vancian equivalents are the only "broken" stuff in psionics when latter supplements gave us such goodies as Form Astral Suit - a level 3 psywar power (which means Psions can get it at level 7) that can just hand out PoW maneuvers and akashic veils on the fly.

You're right that Psionics isn't more broken than vancian, but arguing that the true 9-lvl manifesters are anything other than 9 level casting is being disingenuous. Psions are pretty much sorcerers with a different flavor and points instead of slots, and not having Simulacrum isn't going to change this fact.

>>53096137
>wouldn't want legolas being outperformed by a ninja's shuriken.
>Shuriken

You mean useless throwing knives?

Look up how effective they are. TO be effective you have to be close, poison it, and hit an unarmoured target. Otherwise, even simple leather can stop a Shuriken. A bow would trump ninja stars every day. Arguably a sling could as well.

>>53096133
Vestigial arm does not let you actually make any more attacks. Regardless of how stupid it is, you either get the dagger attacks or the claws, not both, even with two extra arms.

>>53096073
>What do you guys think of paid GMing?

I disagree with it on principle, but as a GM it is nice when you get comped for your time. Ie you don't have to pay for Pizza/Food/Drinks.

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>>53096144

>>53096159
>For instance, the "direct elemental damage" power they have needs a ranged touch attack (fairly easy, but still possible of missing unlike a fireball or lightning bolt),
I agree with your post but they're still plenty of direct damage Psionic powers that force saves. A better comparison would be that unless your the Psion that has the "do blasty stuff archetype" your locked into the damage you do with it unless you take a move->fullround to change your active energy type.
>>53096178
>that can just hand out PoW maneuvers and akashic veils on the fly.
That really doesn't sound broken on a fucking Psion. Oh no, he got some counters/strikes on poor ass BaB. The horror.

>>53096086
>Rogues
Nope. If they are CE little shits then they usually get tk'd quick.

>Paladins
Still way better then Psions. Paladins are roleplaying a moral code. It can disagree with the group's at times, but that is why you have a player's meeting before starting.

>Barbarians
I've never had a problem with Barbarian players.

Psions are just bad for RP games. Magic effects that aren't magic. Just stupid.

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>>53096144
So we're going to split the difference--instead of one team of six, there will be two teams of four. Team 1 will run on Thursdays, Team 2 on Sundays.

Now then, the teams:

Team 1: Cijiska, Umbranae, Allanz, Kenna

Team 2: Emilia, Kyron, Romulus, 4916

And lest we forget, the Waiting List:
Chiundra
Kent
Annabelle
Jaune
Rhyisjir
Calesedria

And with that, I wish everyone who's been watching Overlewd's LFG forum all the best!

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>>53096097
>since when were we able to read the starfinder books? I'd like a source

There was a Paizo stream of a Starfinder campaign, senpai! It had 1d3 laser guns and a level 1 spell that did like 34 damage.

>>53096073
What >>53096203 said; I'm against actually getting paid for my work, but it's very nice to be able to GM at someone else's house, with everyone else (other than the host and the GM) pitching in to buy pizza and soda for the night. That way, everyone has a job to do and helps make the night fun.

>>53096179

From what I remember historically, Shuriken were primarily a distraction weapon anyway if you weren't using them on unarmed and unarmored schucks unaware of your presence.

>>53096226
Do you know what Shattered Mirror can do on a caster?

Do you know what Riven Hourglass can do on a caster?

Do you actually know what PoW can do when casters get access to it, or do you actually think that it's all just +Xd6 strikes and muh damage?

>>53096087
>ALREADY ALL IN PATHFINDER

What isn't in Pathfinder? Other then good game design that is.

The game is a huge mess of everything, like Golarion, the massive "throw everything in" campaign world that is so forgettable you've already forgotten it exists.

>>53096238
>Psions are just bad for RP games. Magic effects that aren't magic.
Except Psionics are explicitly supernatural abilities. They're magical by definition. Do you have a problem with Alchemists too?

>>53096240
Whoops, mixed the teams up.
Silly me--team 1 on sundays, team 2 on thursdays.

Fuck.

>>53096133
>>53096183
There is a way but its a fucking loophole if I ever knew any and requires a GM that will allow it as well as another character with a decent heal skill.

I'd suggest you forget about the daggers and just get four claw attacks. Basically you will need to get the vestigial arms discovery which are explicitly ruled in such a way that you may not use them for extra attacks, chop them off and attach demon talons which explicitly grant claw attacks provided you have an arm stump to attach it to.

Fucking loophole if there ever was one but I'd suggest talking to your GM in advance.

Even then you are better off drinking a simple monstrous physique extract which does the exact same thing, doesnt disfigure you nor cost anything.

>>53096254
>What isn't in Pathfinder?
Nothing that wasn't already in D&D, dumbass.

>>53096242

That sounds like bullshit and yet knowing this is still based on 3rd Edition makes it more plausible than I'd like to admit.

It doesn't have to be this way, Paizo. The wizard is dead in Starfinder. You don't need to keep fellating him.

>>53096251
Yep.

And if you are against unarmed shmucks, you may as well use a blowpipe, darts, or throwing knives.

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>>53096094
That's a dog/wolf, not a cat.

>>53096253
>Do you know what Shattered Mirror can do on a caster?
Not particularly
>Do you know what Riven Hourglass can do on a caster?
They can extend some buffs and get haste. And both can just have them counter a couple of attacks. That really isn't broken in the same way Simulcurum, Teleport, Planeshift, Wish, etc are.

>>53096240
>I'm not even on the waiting list

I thought I made a good character that fit the setting ;_;

>>53096256
>Do you have a problem with Alchemists too?

No, at least Alchemists have to prepare.

>>53096183
But you get extra attacks for natural weapons as long as the hands are free

>>53096144
>>53096240
Does the waiting list double as your honorable mentions/shoutouts list, or what?

>>53096279

The words Paizo used to describe this design decision was something to the effect of, "we want combat to be quicker and more deadly, with lots of dice and high numbers."

But hey, laser guns are ranged attacks. You know what ranged attacks are? Attacks, at range! That's an incredible advantage, and surely one that means you must give their weaponry 1d3 instead of the standard 2d6 a Laser Rifle in Pathfinder receives.

Who would join a Rappan Athuk campaign and which character class will your PC be?

>>53096242
>Senpai
Stop that. I wanna see a picture or something of this, or a link. They've been pretty light on information so far, and I'm sure I would have remembered something like that.

>>53096297
That's not really an argument against Psions though. Alchemists needing to prepare is actually an ADVANTAGE over Psions.

You're fucking stupid.

>>53096272
Wrong

Pathfinder tried to fix 3.5, and ended up with a half baked shit system.

Then, to keep making money, Paizo started throwing everything in. Did we need a Samurai class? What the hell does an Inquisitor do? Who wants to play an Oracle? Let's just straight break the game with Psions!

>>53096299
That may be so since you are technically allowed to make a single claw attack when you are using weapons, but you will still need to discuss this in advance since the GM may backtrack to that one clause.

So yeah, discuss it in advance.

>>53096226
That's entirely fair. I was just using the easiest comparison that came to mind; something like Mind Thrust is also a good example, since its DC is pitiful unless you start pumping PP into it, which STILL doesn't solve "Will Negates", so anyone that you'd want to delete from combat (IE wizards or clerics) will no-sell it completely.
>>53096297
>>53096238
Alright, what about Occultists, who don't need to prepare and have a bunch of weird trinkets to use their magic?
What about Bards, who are totally NOT using "real" magic with their performances?

>>53096169
Actually I think I've already got all I was expecting to get from /pfg/ about guns. I'm really just trying to get a feel for how to bring them into Golarion's setting, since one of my players is playing a Gunslinger and I think it would be weird if their PC is the only person that ever has a gun in the whole campaign.

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>>53096240
>tfw not on waiting list
In all seriousness, congrats to everyone.

>>53096302
If I made an honorable mentions list, I'd have been up another few hours. Unless your app was just blatantly not ready for primetime (as only like two or three were), consider yourself an example of exemplary writing.

>>53096317
>Advantage
>Prepare
I don't think you understand the word advantage.

>>53096299
Vestigial Arm is explicitly written in such a way that 99% of DMs will tell you to fuck off for trying to do anything besides passively hold an item or reload a crossbow with them.

>>53096297
>alchemists
>"prepare"

Yo bro let me leave 60% of my slots open, then prep the stock necessary extracts in the rest. We need something specific? Gimme like, 3 minutes while you fiddle with that puzzle/trap over there to whip up everything I'll need in a given situation.

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>>53096312

I just want to be able to look my friend in the eye and say "yes, friend, you can play your cybernetic sniper and not fall massively behind our other friend in all things because he decided to play a fucking hacker/space wizard" without knowing in my heart I am a liar.

Please, Paizo. We are in space. RELEASE THE LASERS. LET THEM BE FREE.

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>>53096337
>>53096295

Aww, c'mere you two.

>>53096240
Pretty solid picks.

>Team 1 is Allanz's harem of dragon, moe and GUN.
>Team 2 is two cutes and two big guys (for you).

>>53096295
Shut up Rory/Vult.

>>53096327
3.5 had Samurai. Other editons of D&D had samurai. Oracles are just favored souls with slightly different mechanics. Inquisitors are an actually good class. And Psionics doesn't break the game.


You're just another retard that wandedred in from the Paizo forums.
>>53096349
Prepared casting is stronger than spontaneous casting in the long run. If you don't understand that then you aren't allowed to make judgements on game balance.

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>>53096330
>Alright, what about Occultists, who don't need to prepare and have a bunch of weird trinkets to use their magic?
>What about Bards, who are totally NOT using "real" magic with their performances?

Bard is and has always been a dumb class. Occultist is just Paizo for "totes not a sorceror guys!"

>>53096327
... You really are a retard. Paizo make PSYCHICS, not PSIONS, you moron.

>>53096339
Well aren't you a sweetie, braving this storm of b8 to bring smiles. I knew I should have PMed for a review, even if I wasn't too worried about whether I got in or not.

>>53096377
>Occultist is just Paizo for "totes not a sorceror guys!"
So you can't read either? Poor thing.

>>53096293
>That really isn't broken in the same way Simulcurum, Teleport, Planeshift, Wish, etc are.
Maybe, but it can still be broken. That's like saying "This isn't an infinite damage loop, so it's fine that I can OHKO any enemy."

>>53096372
>Prepared casting is stronger than spontaneous casting in the long run

And LFQW doesn't exist in Pathfinder.

Seriously, go fuck yourself if you think that Psionics are well balanced.

>>53096293
...I guess you don't really know that much about Path of War at all.

Shattered Mirror can mess with targeting on your powers, starting with Equivocate and progressing on. At the highest level, you can actually use Obsidian Mirror Stance to multiply your number of targets for - oh, say, Bend Reality - by a factor of 6. This is also forgetting stuff like Carnival Swapping Mind Control to bypass the need for will saves, or that free swift action dimdoor+ boost, among other things.

Riven Hourglass gives you extra actions, starting with an Extra Move at 4th and progressing to Extra Full Action + Extra Standard at high levels.

>>53096377

>Spellsong is somehow dumber than Wizard's "I learn magic from spreadsheets and forget how to use fireball after I cast it X times" mechanics

Non-alchemic prepared casting is and always has been bullshit.

>>53096315
>Rappan Athuk
I was happy that Frog God Games and Niggamancer Games keep the lethality it had though my players stopped talking to me for at least a trimester.

>>53096368
No seriously, I went through more than a few reviews and talked with more than a few people to try and make my app as good as possible, but either way, I hope the overlewd crew have fun

>>53096396
Must be hard to concentrate with Paizo's dick so far down your throat.

Paizo keeps expanding the class list because it lets them print money. Edgelords who try to be different for the sake of being different lap it up.

Psions are just bad. Keep them out of a campaign if you want your campaign to be good.

>>53096405
>Path of War at all.
I'm not super familiar with PoW:Expanded materials, no. Then again mixing subsytems never works out well usually.

>>53096315
>>53096425
What exactly IS Rappan Athuk?

>>53096336
treat him like a wizard with a powerful magic item
people fear him because they don't understand his boomstick and his desperado ways
well-educated folk know what it is and know how easily he could kill them
dwarven engineers shoot hot cum at the sight of the gun and want to tinker with it
local evil dragon wants the gun for his hoard
etc.

>>53096316
Here you go, Senpai.

https://www.twitch.teevee(you know what to change it to)/officialpaizo/videos/all

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>>53096240
RIP

>>53096436
Psion's aren't even a Paizo class.
>>53096403
So you are retarded? It's okay anon.

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>>53096417
>Non-alchemic prepared casting is and always has been bullshit.

SO you hate Vancian Magic, the underpinning of DnD?

Maybe you shouldn't be playing Pathfinder you tard.

>>53096315
Yah, got this character that I've been waiting to apply with to a gritty game.
ODZS Warder
Half-Orc

>>53096436
>liking Psionics
>Paizo
>and bringing it up despite bringing up an occult class
Holy shit, this is advanced retardation!

>>53096439
Mega dungeon complex campaign that was develop during the third edition yeras by Necrommancer Games.
The premise is to reach the lowest level in which a trapped Orcus (demon lord of undead and beer guts) awaits to be slain by righteous heroes.

>>53096439
Super duper mega dungeon with guaranteed tpk at the bottom and lots of floors with "fuck you" tier contrivances.

>>53096465

Or I could just play casters that don't have bullshit casting mechanics like the sorcerer and the bard.

>>53096481
Those are still vancian anon.

>>53096242
>a level 1 spell that did like 34 damage.
[citation needed]

>>53096465
>>53096457
>>53096436
Wait, why do I feel like we've had this exact same discussion word for word in the past?
Is this the same anti-psion guy, and is he still making the same mistakes in being unable to read?

>>53096454
She'll live on in all our hearts, Anon.

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>>53096327
>>53096377
>>53096403
>>53096465
>he doesn't understand Inquisitors, one of the most braindead easy halfcasters in the entire game, or fucking "baby's first divine caster" Oracles
>he thinks Occultists function remotely like Sorcerers, or are anything resembling "bad for the game"
>"Psionics break the game" mattering when they break it far less than CRB fullcasters
>he's still lumping Occult casters and Psionics into the same bin
>"MUH VANCIAN CASTING" even though D&D magic barely resembles actual Vancian casting

Holy fuck did you crawl right out of the GitP forums?

>>53096502
Anti-Psion guys make more anti-psion guys because they spread there retardation. "Muh Tome of Battle is OP. Muh Psionics is OP" has been a thing for a fucking decade.
>>53096507
GitP likes Psionics from what I understand. This is straight Paizo forum shit.

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>>53096481
>Or I could just play casters that don't have bullshit casting mechanics like the sorcerer and the bard.

Some precious little snowflake doesn't like Vancian magic.

Got it.

You could have just started with "I'm a special person and the campaign should revolve around me. Also I get no restrictions to my magic, because reasons!" Would have saved us all time.

>>53096437
It's applicable, though, since both PoW and Akashic are on-the-table in the original post. Akashic access breaks things much less on a Psion, admittedly, since getting new Daevic veils isn't very impressive compared to some of the PoW:E stuff (save for melee psion/metamorph builds where it gets bonkers again).

Regardless, the point is, Psions are 9 level casters and should be treated as such. They are pretty much spontaneous rather than prepared, sure, but they are 9lvl casters nonetheless.

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>>53096240
id like to thank the academy

thank you kanna, azalea scrapheap and konja for different sorts of inspiration during writing.

and shouts out to all my buds that didnt make it.

i wanted to play with most a' ya

>>53096526
I wanna brush that troll's tusks.

>>53096507
Can't be blaming GitP on this one, they enjoy psionics and occultists. This one must've crawled from somewhere much darker... RPG.net.

>>53096526
HOW THE FUCK DOES BARD AND SORCERER COUNT AS SNOWFLAKE

PSIONICS STILL FUCKING HAS RESTRICTIONS

OH MY GOD

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>>53096520
>Muh Psionics is OP" has been a thing for a fucking decade

Probably because Psionics have been breaking games for decades.

>>53096526
>Also I get no restrictions to my magic, because reasons!"
No anon, those are Wizards. Psionics is significantly weaker. I know your retardation makes learning new things hard for you, but you need to try and not be an idiot for once

>>53096494

I don't particularly have a problem with Vancian mechanics, I just think fire-and-forget prepared casting is a stupid way to do magic.

With the Alchemist, it makes sense because you're brewing up a certain number of potions for a specific purpose. What's the wizard's excuse for not knowing how to do fireball after he cast it twice even though he's still got third-level slots open?

Although in general I prefer mana pools to spell slots anyway, which is why I've enjoyed Spheres when we use it.

>>53096526

Or I'd like to actually be able to describe the spells my character knows as opposed to my buddy who's a master-blaster swinging his lightning dick around on monday and is a debuff-focused necromancer on tuesday because he has two spellbooks.

>>53096520
GitP has clusters of vocal faggots with retarded opinions they treat as gospel.

>>53096526
>spontaneous casters
>special snowflake with no limits

this is b8

>>53096240
>didn't make it
So, when the next lfg coming in?

Mighty Quest DM won't return my calls.

>>53096568
Never. We're fucking FREE. WE'RE FREE/ No more memes! WE ARE FREE!

>>53096553
No, it's because it's an artifact of 2e when they were broken, then echoed by fags in 3.5 because neckbeards hate things that aren't their traditional vancian power fantasy wizards, despite them being nothing at all like original wizards

>>53096439
Your GM is pissed off as fuark: The Dungeon
or
Rape train destination crushed player self esteem and possible permadrop of Pathfinder/D&D: The Dungeon

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>>53096561
>Or I'd like to actually be able to describe the spells my character knows as opposed to my buddy who's a master-blaster swinging his lightning dick around on monday and is a debuff-focused necromancer on tuesday because he has two spellbooks.

Maybe you should have gone to Magic College instead of becoming the Fantasy equivalent of a FryCook, the Sorceror.

Report and ignore shitposters, everyone. We're better than this.

i get the feeling this guy has dsp psions mixed up with paizo psychics
wonder if he's just retarded or if he's realized his mistake and is too deep down the rabbit hole to stop

>>53096598
>WHY DON'T YOU WANT LIMITS
>I do want limits though
>WOW WHAT A FAG HE WANTS LIMITS

You're a funny guy

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>>53096598
>Fantasy equivalent of a FryCook, the Sorceror.

Ok, you get some respect for that, because dammit, that's fucking funny.

>>53095996
Psionics is pretty popular in the circles I play in. They probably get used about as often as regular casters.

>>53096618
The former

>>53096613
Considering how much we bitch and argue over just OPs, I'd say we aren't

>>53096584
I don't WANT to be free, anon.

I'm forever DM of my irl group, I'd like to play a PC and I've honestly wanted to try with randoms.

But Roll20 random games are filled with 3rd-4th grade reading level applicants so /pfg/ games are my best shot.

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>>53096535
Best of luck to your group, amigo!

Also, so many people brought amazing apps to the table and I hope they get their games soon. We're all gonna make it, brah.

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I actually wanted to ask about medical care and grooming for non-human races.

Which races have special grooming needs, and how do they differ from a human's? Do orcs need to clean their tusks? Do dwarven beards require advanced combing and oiling? Do kasatha need to wash their four armpits?

>>53096624
Be fair, to actually have two spellbooks should be pretty hard to get, if the DM is even halfway competent. If a wizcannon has two, they deserve to rain destruction down, provided they brought the right book to the fight.

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>>53095817
Firearms in path have the advantage of hitting on touch (early firearms can only do this in their first range increment while advanced can do it at all increments) and having a X4 crit multiplier.

However their drawbacks are jamming (roll X or lower on the d20 and lose 2 rounds getting the gun ready to fire again or have the thing EXPLODE [advanced guns don't explode]) Very few classes & archetypes add damage to the gun (so for most people Dice + Enhancements & Enchantments and thats it)
Environment & Weather (if you don't have magic and a early firearm and it rains or someone splashes you HAVE FUN SPENDING 2 ROUNDS CLEARING OUT USELESS POWDER AND RELOADING) Being PROHIBITIVELY expensive (the cheapest ACTUAL GUN [the fire lance may be listed under the firearms list but it is NOT A GUN] is 740 gold, have the most expensive ammo there is (if yer not making it, it works out too about 1.5-3 gold a shot depending on if yer using regular shot or paper cartridges) and require a 2 feat investment to make the gun even remotely worthwhile (exotic weap proff and gunsmith to be specific)

Honestly guns aren't really worth it unless yer a gunslinger or archetype that gives you bonuses with the gun

As for guns phasing out other forms of combat, honestly the only place on golarion that this can even have the remote chance of happening is the Numeria region, and that's only because there's so much tech laying about that you can walk ten feet and stub yer foot on a laser

>>53096674
prestidigitation

>>53096476
>>53096586
Is really that lethal and hard or is just a meme?

>>53096664
I honestly have started to show the build I cobbled together on a whim, and I am kinda sad I probably will never get to play it. Just like the half dozen other builds that require very specific chargen rules to be worth using!

ALL I WANT

IS A GESTALT THAT STARTS AT LEVEL 16.

>>53096618
Paizo Psychics are horrible.

>>53096707
Could always ask Sultanas GM to let you play an enslaved harem girl (optional: used to be a dude).

>>53096688
>advanced can do it at all increments
only the first 5

>>53096707
Theres that Sultana thing

>>53096504
But I wanted her to live on in my bed! Slimecubus is cute!

>>53096240
Oh? Didn't expect you'd split the campaign into two groups.

So! Sessions start next Sunday and Thursday right? Looking forward to it, maybe I'll start a topic on the forum to see if anyone wants to establish some connection between characters before the game starts.

>>53096698
Is that really all there is?

Seems a little lazy.

>>53096702
isn't that the dungeon with the room that has a bunch of pits with spikes and a hidden brain in a jar that mind controls the party members to jump down those pits?

>>53096240
>one of the ones I didn't like got in

hrghrrrrggh, resist urge to bitch.

Congrats to all the applicants that made it, hope to see some of the others who didn't apply around.

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>>53096707
Run it yourself.

>>53096702
There is a mimic shaped as a latrine in one of the early levels.
If that doesnt exudes pure unadulterated hate for existence and human beings I don't know what is hate.

>>53096737
lmao magic

>>53096744
talk your shit

it dont matter no more.

and we need our salt reserves replenished

>>53096707
All I want is to play a fucking game of pathfinder

You're asking for too much

>>53096683
Spell books cost around 15g though for a blank one. After that all you need is the cost of scribing, which can be mitigated somewhat, plus it's not like you were using that gold for other things

>>53096240
I'm surprised Olivia didn't get in since the thread was hyping her up yesterday.

>>53096760
I'm angry my Vigilante with 10 ranks and a +19 bonus to Profession (Barber-Surgeon) is completely obsoleted by a cantrip.

At least when he isn't singing about pretty women and slitting men's throats.

>>53096779
neither her or lucius got in despite the hype

dont believe it

>>53096779
Sleep doesn't care that much about hype, from what I've seen.

4916 is a surprise, though, considering that she's pretty much just a Discord Cabal meme.

>>53096683
I mean, it really isn't that hard for the wizard to just jack all the spellbooks he comes across and compile them. Unless your GM makes prepared casters super rare, or never let's you recover and copy spells no matter what like some kind of ass.

>>53096688
Guns won't phase out bows because magic exists. Simple as that.

It like that game of thrones theory (?) that siege weapons never developed as extensively as our world since dragons superseded their place.

Guns are a bit better in low magic-high tech settings though, but those are rare.

>>53096796
That one does seem odd, but sleep's a madman.

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>>53096723
ah, my mistake you are correct. for some reason I remember firearms only being able to go out to 5 increments, I thank you for correcting me on this

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>>53096797
Prepared Runes are a great anti-theft mechanism to have in spellbooks.

>>53096743
Is the dungeon that when you are deep enough in it you can only resupply by visiting a goblin city found in one of its levels. The goblins have powerful NPCs among them and they will get mad if you bring an elf, dwarf, speak any other language which is not goblin, proselytize good aligned deities...

So are there any games open for apps at the moment? and do any of them NOT use Spheres and PoW and that stuff?

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>>53096798
>Guns won't phase out bows because magic exists. Simple as that.

Wrong. Magic Guns.

>>53096867
magic composite longbows > magic guns

this is undebatable

>>53096866
There is one but seems you have to pay to play.

>>53096866
Most Roll20 games don't use 3pp. Just don't look for the /pfg/ ones.

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>>53096881
Only because Pathfinder nerfs guns.

If it handled them in an even remotely plausible manner, everyone would switch to them, the way the crossbow took over from the bow.

>>53096904
>If it handled them in an even remotely plausible manner
yes well it doesn't

>>53096904
Paladin with a SPAS-10.

Now that is a campaign I could get behind.

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>>53096916
>yes well it doesn't
Yet another failing of 3.75

It's a shame, Pathfinder had such great promise, but was let down by Paizo's greed.

Only reason it is still around is that 4e left such a bad taste in everyone's mouth.

Glad 5e is slowing killing Paizo off.

>>53096664
>We're all gonna make it, brah.
No we're not. By the way these processes work we're not going to make it.

>>53096918

>A paladin with an AR-15 Smites before opening fire
>Roughly 80 bullets per round, hitting touch AC, each doing full smite damage and ignoring DR.

>>53096942
>Only reason it is still around is that 4e left such a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
actually it's only around because of the mountains of great 3pp content

>>53096918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8wZfpI_QgE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaj3VGJ2A

Only if we get to fight at least God or Hitler as a boss battle.

>>53096942
I can't wait to see them going down in flames be either by Starfinder flopping or the Pathfinder On-Line becoming an unbearable mes

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>>53096962
Kill your party members, boyo.

>>53096958
>great 3pp content

Confused children thought 3e was good.

>>53096949
Or the barbarian dual wielding Charlie Gutsaches.

Or the Wizard with what amounts to an aimbot scope.

Or the Rogue with the Silenced UMP-45.

Oh wait. I just described Shadowrun.

>>53096982
I concur.
Third party was a mistake.
Now we have vore character class and fuckton of furry options.

>>53096998
>I can't just take the good third party content and leave out the bad.

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>>53096970
Starfinder already is flopping.

There are too many GOOD sci-fi RPGs out there right now, that Starfinder is just trying to slap a graphics swap on Pathfinder, and people can see through that charade.

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>Overlewd picks all done
>only now do I realize the perfect change to my character that would have fixed the majority of their problems fitting into the campaign theme
>I could recycle it all for another campaign, but I've tried to refine this concept so many times I'm thinking a fresh concept would be better than trying to break the old one down to remold to a new game

fug

>>53096796
I was 95% certain 4916 was a joke character. Same with umbranae, just going off the art. How THEY got in is beyond me

DnD Vancian magic is good for several reasons.

One is that in comparison to a MP system, you can always use lower level effects and have them be decent-ishly level appropriate. Versus a Psion who is almost always going to be gimped if he doesn't put all of his Power Points into the spells that they have. Unless they are gishes. Psions are pretty good at gishing it up. Particularly if you're into Strength builds.

Two is that spell slot numbers can be designed to be a short-hand for what you should be able to expect monster weaknesses and abilities to be. This is benefit applies to psionics, but Spheres of Power is dumb as fuck because you just get a bunch of flat, weak abilities that you put all your class resources into buffing so you'll have one really good thing that might not always work out for you in certain situations. Thus all of the Spheres of Power classes are overly specialized and have no real versatility at all. This would also assume that you even get a good spheres like Alteration or Mind. Instead of something shitty like Destruction or something that is only good at later levels like Weather. Thus betraying their one selling point.

Lastly my last point is that it simply lessons book keeping. You could glance at a spell in your spell book and be sure that you can just cast it right away. With a MP system, you would have to jot down about how much MP you dump into a spell and then if you want to give it a boost by adding more MP so that it's a level appropriate effect. Thus Vancian casting causes less headaches for DMs and players who doesn't have time to wait around while you calculate needlessly elongated (and not even difficult) math problems.

>>53097021
There's no shame in recycling an old app, but try not to do it more than once.

>>53097035
I think you can recycle the build a ton of times, honestly. Just make the characters different.

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>>53097021
>>I could recycle it all for another campaign
There aren't going to BE anymore campaigns. This was it. The end. The last chance, and you blew it.
>>53097025
DM was blowing 4916 like within an hour of getting posted. He even said he hoped she wasn't a shit post.

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>>53096768
Fine, fuckit I'm going to bed soon so I won't be here for the fallout.

I don't like Allanz. I think his background was poorly written and he's a knight character type that's been done to death.

Carrying a cursed-evil-something and being rejected and hunted by his brothers even though he did nothing wrong. Hell, I'd probably find him more interesting if he DID do something wrong to deserve it, even if it was a mistake. As it is he has next to no character flaws that are a result of any personal failures but just how the world treated him.

He's just not INTERESTING, he's not his own character. Every trait stems from his family or the betrayal. I get that he's young and how he was raised was important, but the only thing I really like about him is his love of detective stories..and even that, I think is just kind of thrown away. For something that is so important to him that investigator is part of his gestalt, I feel like he could have done so much more. Like maybe have him secretly offering advice on cases. Instead, it's used as a reason for why he got top marks at the academy which...yeah, I guess it makes since to get that smart just off of reading detective stories and not living at least one of them feels like a wasted opportunity.

I dunno, all my other favorite apps beside Olivia at least made the waiting list. I'm just disappointed that he got in and that both groups got ex-knights.

But that's just my opinion.

>>53097035
This would technically be a fourth try, if I used it again. It's a stale meme now, I must find fresher, greener pastures to avoid stagnating.

>>53097033
>One is that in comparison to a MP system, you can always use lower level effects and have them be decent-ishly level appropriate.
Except you can't though. Low level wizard spells either get sacraficed for other effects or used as minor buffs.
>Two is that spell slot numbers can be designed to be a short-hand for what you should be able to expect monster weaknesses and abilities to be.
Not really. There are high CR monsters that can be stumped by ridiculously low level spells and low CR monsters with wildly inappropriate spell effects.
>Lastly my last point is that it simply lessons book keeping.
It's fucking more book keeping. It's basic addition and subtraction. Most phones have a calculator. There isn't any fucking algebra here.

>>53097063
>all that misspelling and bad grammer
fuck I need sleep

>>53097055
>DM was blowing 4916
Because nobody's ever false-flagged as a GM before, right? Surely not for a /pfg/ game that would attract a lot of salt.

Nope. Nosiree.

>>53096997
Shadowrun is great for every reason you just described.

>>53097122
It was on the Discord. Someone even posted a screen cap. Something to the effect of "Dear lord I hope 4916 isn't a joke".

>>53097033
>Lastly my last point is that it simply lessons book keeping. You could glance at a spell in your spell book and be sure that you can just cast it right away. With a MP system, you would have to jot down about how much MP you dump into a spell and then if you want to give it a boost by adding more MP so that it's a level appropriate effect. Thus Vancian casting causes less headaches for DMs and players who doesn't have time to wait around while you calculate needlessly elongated (and not even difficult) math problems.

This would have been a point...if there weren't so many goddamn books with spells that you now have to scour every single book or a reference website just to find that one spell from that one book so your DM doesn't call bullshit on you, given that you even have an internet connection and a data plan that can put up with all this digging.

Not to mention that most character sheets don't really have room to list out effects.

So while we're on the subject of Psionics.
>A kineticist does not need to select an energy type for this power when he gains psionic focus. He may choose the type of damage at the time the power is manifested.
I'm making some Psionic homebrew and I'm trying to give something a clause similar to this but I'm having trouble thinking of some not jank wording.

Any ideas?

>>53097135
>Discord
Oh, good, we're on about this again. "It totally happened don't bother them about it."

Discord shitposters are notorious for either making shit up, or at best taking joking statements out of context. And besides, the GM had talked a lot about apps looking like ruses. I got a PM from him myself making sure mine wasn't.

>>53097174
>And besides, the GM had talked a lot about apps looking like ruses
That still basically means she was a shoe in from the beggining.

>>53096779
I suspect she was an early cut due to schedule personally.

>>53097195
>I hope this isn't a joke
Totally always means
>HOMAGERD I WANNA BANG YOU
And not
>Please don't be another joke profile, I want people to at least pretend to take this seriously.

>>53097218
>I want people to at least pretend to take this seriously.
If he did he wouldn't have named it overlewd and explicitly state he wanted a Saints Row feel.

What's a good level 6 arcana for a dervish dance magus?

Alternatively, what are some good level 6 arcanas in general for flavor or whatever

>>53096240
>Waiting list

Im gonna bet this is one of three things. The first is the obvious "2nd bench"list. But remember that overlewd origionally had 4 slots. Sleep is probably more comfortable with 4 players, and only raised it to 6 because of how many good apps there were. Then he decided he couldnt narrow it down to even six, so he made two groups of 4 for eight. But he still likes a lot of the other apps and

2. He wants to test the waters of running two games of four players, and if hes comfortable with it, will go ahead and take in one or two extra players from the list.
3. He intends to run two groups of six from the start, but couldnt choosr the last two per group on his own, and is letting the core 4 players from each group choose the two characters from the list they would like to play with

>>53097033

>It simply lessens bookkeeping

That's bullshit and you know it.

A mana pool requires one element of bookkeeping; how many points are in it. You can use a calculator to do 100% of the in-game bookkeeping on a Spheres caster. Fuck, most of the time you can use a spare d20 to track your mana pool in its entirety.

If you're a prepared caster you need a fucking spreadsheet to remember how many slots you have, how many you've used from each level of spell you can cast, and if you're not spontaneous you need to specifically track which spells were in those slots.

One is a page of data both the player and the GM need to keep track of. The other is looking at what the number on that player's spare d20 is.

>>53096240
Weird. I didn't apply but I feel disappointed. Maybe it's the lack of memes.

>>53092802
A Silver Fist Qinggong Invested Regent Monk is okay. You've got two different pools of magic powers, plus PoW maneuvers.

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>>53092802
You know you want to.

Just flurry of blow your load all over that character sheet.

>>53095716
PoW is balanced against 6-level casters and 9-level casters.

>>53096240
Was it just a bunch of fucked scheduling or something? I thought Olivia and Lucius and stuff were good.

>>53097336
Just because an app didn't get in doesn't mean it was bad. I don't get why /pfg/ doesn't understand this.

>>53097213
Was her schedule that bad?

>>53097335
Note, this is not actually true. The balance point they chose is entirely different and can't be likened to paizo classes essentially at all. People who say this don't understand the system.

>>53097237

What do you have already?

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Speaking of Spellbooks, anyone ever use Preconstructed Spellbooks?

>>53097336
Olivia is fully incompatible with schedule from the looks of it. Overlewd DM had at least 4 unavailable days just from games before this. Lucius has no Thursday, though he does have Sunday. I personally didn't like him, but it's possible he was a good app that missed because he competed as a nobleman.

>>53097353
Nah I know, I'm just wondering
I guess there were just too many good apps, it feels like there were out of 30+ complete apps fully 15-20 that are top tier.

>>53097378
I do. I basically use spell research as a big part of classes like wizard for what they're able to discover. Their starting spells begat new spells in trees as they branch out and research.

For clerics I do something similar but basically their god only offers certain spells.

This is how the classes should have been in the first place.

>>53097378
A lot of them are pretty good. Book of Harms in particular is nice to have around, even if you're not specialized in blasting you can just prepare one spell to maximize, which is pretty worth it.

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>>53096240
Well I tried, but they don't all have good jokes to be made or romantic chemistry afoot.

>>53097460
Did you ever do one for Blingmaker?

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What are some of the goofiest character concepts you've ever played straight, /pfg/? Any you'd want to play?

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>>53097460
Looks good so far, dude. Keep it up.

>>53097460
Post the one for LoB&F

>>53096327
>Pathfinder tried to fix 3.5, and ended up with a half baked shit system.
That might have been the intention when the idea of Pathfinder came up, but in reality PF is just designed to appeal to people who start bitching the moment someone dares suggest playing something that isn't 3.x. This, at least in the minds of Paizo devs, includes NOT fixing what's wrong with the system. Sure, they did fix a few things, but I'm pretty sure that was just so they could SAY they've fixed 3.5 without actually fixing it.

>Telekinetic Finesse
>Element(s) aether; Type utility (Sp); Level 1; Burn 0
>You can perform any sort of fine manipulation you choose within close range, including attempting Sleight of Hand and Disable Device checks.


Can someone please explain to me what the hell this does. Does it mean I can use basic telekinesis for fine manipulation? The wording is terrible.

>>53097381
I bet it was a case of "Take one or both of these characters, giving up on others that were also good, or take what was actually chosen"

I don't get 4916 and Umbranae getting in entirely.

>>53097510
I'm currently making what is essentially a Rule63 Tohru for DAA. It's gonna be fun.

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>>53097489

I want this. I need this.

>>53097510
Major Esma, Interplanar Dance Superstar and his mysterious partner, the amazing DANCER X.

>>53097524
You can make Disable Device and Slight of Hand checks at range. So you could disarm a trap or yank something out of somebodies pockets with your mind. Flip pages of a book. Put a ship in a bottle. etc.

>>53097460
Ever do one for Romance of the Righteous Kingdoms or Hell's Rebels?

>Hype myself up all week for Overlewd salt
>50+ apps, final high profile game, lewd
>Everyone shrugs and moves on almost immediately
You just keep finding new ways to disappoint me /pfg/. LoBaF fallout was way better than this and people didn't even talk about the game until it closed.

What would one consider to be the thematic opposit of a Dragon?

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>>53097643
A knight.

>>53097634
>LoBaF fallout was way better than this and people didn't even talk about the game until it closed.
There was fall out? What fall out?

>>53097634
Being salty over Overlewd at this point seems like kicking a puppy (appropriately enough for a game about villains, I guess). Sleep's been mostly just apologetic and trying to tell people they did nothing wrong.

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>>53097634

>>53097643
Dragons are big, majestic and loud. They draw a lot of space/attention.

So it would be something small, unnoticeable and quiet, that does its work without anyone noticing until it's already gone.

new thread

>>53097695
>>53097695
>>53097695
>>53097695
>>53097695

>>53097696
P A G E
T W O

>>53097510
I want to play a macrocephalic midget neckbeard gnoll who is a no-spaniard.

>>53097634
Oh, forgive me. Ahem,

Ah great, more fetish apps and nepotism picks. I can't believe it. Don't get me wrong though. I didn't apply to this shit lewd game because I'm a real roleplayer. You guys better post logs. And when you do I'll call you all attention whore faggots.

How was that?

>>53097714
Salazar?

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>>53097657

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>>53097726

>>53097634
I think most appliers just understood there was nothing more they could do and they weren't cheated.
A bunch of them were locked out by scheduling conflict almost immediately and all of the chosen apps are legit, there were just too many good apps this time.

>>53097758
>4916
>legit
u wot?

>>53097673
Off the top of my head there was a clever falseflag on the males and people were upset over mechanical composition.

>>53097810
What was wrong with the mechanical composition?

>>53097774
4916 is a walking shitpost and meme and should never have been accepted

>>53097845
That's my one grain of salt for this, I'll even forgive Umbranae.

>>53097843
I think the final party had like four dex melees or something. A little known fact is that mechanics sperg is the strongest shitposting on /pfg/, there just isn't enough of it most of the time.

Why are we letting a page 2 new thread slide?

>>53097898
Report and Ignore.

>>53097845
>>53097774
Right, all but one of the apps chosen are legit
Honestly I remain convinced that 4916 isn't an actual app and that Maximum is going to get trolled