'That Guy' thread

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>>53089679
I was literally just about to post a That guy thread. Here is my tale about how a That Guy’s anger and misunderstanding of basic physics made me a god. Sorry for my terrible writing

This takes place in a 10 power level game of M&M. I decided to create a generic Superman type character named Geiger as I was and still am new to the system. The difference he was powered by all radiation instead of just UV. He ate all radiation around him, and carried uranium rods around as a power source. Enter Tim (pseudonym). He had done something impossible to create if you weren’t best friends with the DM.

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>>53089855
Forgot my name
There is a rule in M&M where you can increase the maximum for a stat in exchange for decreasing the maximum for another stat. Like having one more toughness than you would normally in exchange for less dodge. With some begging, Tim was able to create a glass cannon the world has never seen before. 19 strength and 1 toughness. To put this into perspective, the max strength I could get was 10.
He also had the accuracy of a god, and could multi-attack and power attack at the same time and have a good chance of hitting you. Tim even had the audacity to tell the DM that he was actually UNDERPOWERED as even a policeman could take him out with a single punch. This was before Tim got invisibility from every conventional sense.

>>53089878
With his powers, Tim could sneak up on a boss, and ball punch him to China before he knew what hit him. However, Tim had literally the worse rolls, which is all that kept me in the game. Even with a comparatively weak character, I could play an equal if not greater role in the story. Now, this angered Tim to no end. He wanted to be the leader of the group, the powerhouse, and the ladies’ man all at once. With me taking one of those roles, it severely weakened the power fantasy he was creating. So, he decided to kill me.

>>53089896
After I got a lucky shot on the final boss of the story arc, Tim snapped. He decided to hit me with the mother of all Alpha strikes. 10 punches at full strength and using several Hero points made every single one of them hit, even with a couple crits. M&M has a rule where you can forego the double damage from a crit for an effect like dazing an enemy. He decided to use all of his crits to decide where I fly from the impact. The DM allowed it. Tim then uttered the two words that spelled his undoing: “The Sun”.

DM for a 5e campaign here
One member is a gross fuck of a girl
>"sex jokes"
>haha you said "come" like "cum"
>"my character wants to seduce the bug bear (in combat) what do I roll"
It's really fuckin cringy, and I have been treating her character like shit in-game when she tries to be "funny"

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>>53089921
Thankfully, I had the diehard advantage, so I flew straight into the sun only being just stabilized. Tim quickly started gloating before I reminded the DM of the comic I emailed him at the start of the campaign (As I thought it would be an interesting way to wrap up my character). DC 1,000,000. The DM then starting the obligatory end-of-arc narration as we started a couple year timeskip. And then the magic happened. I emerged from the core of the Sun, as a god. This is after a couple years of being powered by that which is the source of all my powers, so I was basically at a 30pl compared to Tim’s 10. Tim’s glass cannon was soon wiped from existence and my character then resumed his slumber.
Out of character, Tim had a meltdown. His self-insert character was wiped off of the board with a mere thought. Tears in his eyes, insults were blubbered and drinks were spilled. Eventually, the DM revealed that he was tired of that shit and sent Tim home. And thus ends my tale.

>>53089923
What class/race?

>>53089984
She's a high elf sorcerer who's a drunk and a "partier". Her jokes have dragged on going into the 7th session. Currently making my NPC's all conservative just for her.

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>>53090059
I bet she's a hamplanet

>>53090075
Oh she is. The other 2 girls at the table are made uncomfortable by her sexual jokes. Thankfully she's making less as i make her character gets shoved to the side.

>>53090114
At least she isn't carrying SJW into the game. That stuff demolishes friendships

>>53089679
Oh man one player in our shadow run game so obnoxious.
Made the standard one punch man adept build, yet complained when we were fighting enemies with guns.
Characters personality was completely inconsistent like a hamster with ADHD
Would threaten to kill other characters out of character if they interrupted there powerfantasy in any way.
Engaged in cannibalism because they read about blood magic and wanted to hood wink the GM to give them things only ENEMIES are supposed to have.
Would randomly murder civilians during investigations.
Was kicked out of game cause everyone got sick and tired of it.

>>53090156
Right on. Dealing with this is a little easier, but not when I talk to my roommates and one laughs/make crude jokes with her at the table. Fucking annoying. Haven't told her directly but i hope I can brush past her 'tism

>>53090200
Holy fuck I don't know where to begin. Glad you kicked him.

A guy who's in my buddy's group is a newbie, but argues with DM, pulls up the wiki and tells her she's wrong all the time cause he already knows how the story goes in their pre-written campaign thanks to his fuckin podcast

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>>53090230
That level of metagaming means you might as well not even be playing

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>>53090230

Please tell me someone told him to fuck off with that shit

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>>53089679
>join first shadowrun game
>dm helps be build a sub-optimal but cool character
>join team
>everyone is super specialized and good at one thing
>mage is better at magic than me
>decker has more charisma than me
samurai could one shot anything throw at him
>Decker is that guy
>team leader
>everything had to go his way
>samurai is his irl friend, mage his gf
>they of course go along with every "super smart" plan he makes
>the problem
>plans are over complicated
>take i shit you not 2+ hourse to plan
>we ignore these plans 99% of the time when either samurai or Decker go full retard
other shit decker did
>try to screw new guy who joined us out of his cut of pay for no reason but "he showed up after we were hired"
>steals data from missions and refuses to share (even though i had to iviso escort him for whole mission)
>tries to roll to persuade my character to go along with a stupid plan that was STRONGLY against what i built my characters personality around (with his 12+ fucking dice and advantages)
>tried to deck into our riggers drones and pilot them because he thought he would be better at it
>always left 2 hours early with his gf and cut every game short
>great dm but he kinda ruined the game for me

>>53090349
What was the character? Some kind of mage?

>>53090383
shaman with emphasis on stealth and support spells like invisibility and levitate
i was a jack of all trade character who just ended up being shit at everything but turning myself and other invisible and floating

i just got into a roll20 game and holy shit i never realized i was in that guy hell in local games for the longest time

>had 4e games where the entire party ambushed one of their own and proceeded to piss and shit in the bag where they threw him in.
>had a barbarian who was so intent of drinking a potion of "mystery fluid" that we were almost positive was poison that we had to chain him down to the ground in order to stop him from drinking it
>had that one guy who literally played a dark elf ranger named "drizzt" and ended up sleeping half of the time
>the one DM who basically took over another DM's campaign and suddenly forced us to abandon all connection to our old setting just to teleport us to his own in a really forced way that involved an impossible, unavoidable encounter
>that one guy that always played a goblin rogue and made us constantly question his motives as he constant stole from us and hindered us in some encounters purposely
>that one guy who played a human barbarian named "big dick daddy with the candy cane nutsack" who killed his whole tribe except the women whom he raped

there's a lot more but that's all i can think of off the top of my head

>>53090393
Jacks are my favorite kind of character, though you probably should have checked with the rest of the group to see where they were going with their characters

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>>53090418
>big dick daddy with the candy cane nutsack
What kind of subhuman do you have to be to even think of that as an option?

>>53090434
a guy who sells pot, steals from other people, and does hard drugs occasionally

>>53090419
yeah if i had known i would have tried to min max harder instead of roleplay
there really werent any holes in the group to fill since they had everything covered

>>53089937
Nice. Hopefully that guy won't be back.

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>>53090418
>was so intent of drinking a potion of "mystery fluid" that we were almost positive was poison that we had to chain him down to the ground
>suddenly forced us to abandon all connection to our old setting just to teleport us to his own
>"big dick daddy with the candy cane nutsack"
Holy fuck.

>>53090448
Tim is the best friend of the DM, so hopefully he will have some sense talked into him, as I am also friends with the DM and don't want to cause him pain

>>53090418
>big dick daddy with the candy cane nutsack
in what way was his nutsack 'candy cane'-esque?

>>53089878
Your GM is an idiot. You can trade off between Parry/Dodge and Toughness, and between Attack and Effect, but you can't trade off between Attack and Defense.

>>53090533
that will be a mystery until the end of time

>had a DM who threw a CR 13 enemy at a party of five level 3 characters
>one of which was an artificer who had no idea what his features did
>the other an edgy sorcerer "pyromancer" who just burned shit the whole time
>cr 13 creature happens to heal from fire damage
>pyro ignores this
>dm instakills like two of us and deus ex machina's us back into life
>campaign ended after that

>>53090571
Like I said, the Dm was pretty lax and didn't realize his mistake

Have a that guy currently, but I want to preface this by saying the dude is awesome. He's a great friend, helps new people out with rules, buys people drinks, brings snacks, etc. The dude is good guy Greg level whenever he isn't playing the game. Once he's in the zone, just fuck me sideways is he terrible.

>flipped over the table once because the dm said he couldn't roll to seduce a crocodile and keep it as a pet

>started a fight in game over the king not giving him more gold than everyone else and proceeded to try to slaughter the court

>actually punched a player for an in character joke that he had to pay a hooker for a night of fun in some village and it made him a loser

>constantly makes enemies with nearly any and every npc by trying to steal, cheat, or lie to them

>killed fellow players just to steal petty shit from them and did it once over a single gold coin because he didn't like that he lost a bet and had to pay up

It goes on and on. And I don't get it because outside of the game he's awesome and a cool and relaxed dude and has his shit together but once he's playing it's just all out.

>>53090606
you know that movie called 'the purge'? that's his way of doing it.

>>53089679
>has a hatred of monsters and of evil, no real motivations
This is also the sign of a Bad Player

>>53090740
Or maybe he doesn't like that stuff? Not every character needs to be a novel

>>53090418
>"big dick daddy with the candy cane nutsack"
Okay, every thing is dumb as shit, but the thought of someone trying to introduce themselves as that is fucking hilarious

>>53090230
Ooh! I LOVED when players did that! They'd talk about weaknesses of monsters they'd never met before, or where the story was going to end up with suspicious accuracy. So I'd fuck with it. Throw in a new plot twist that changes the ending, change up the monsters' weaknesses. I once completely redesigned how zombies worked, from standard rank and file undead to virus zombie (the virus is necromancy! It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit) because they were getting complacent.

>>53090740
I thought about later having him go after some kind of eldritch knowledge that he'd get a glimpse of, and going mad in the process, ultimately becoming a power-hungry warlock.

>>53089679

First three months I played a tabletop, I almost quit multiple times. I sat for 3 months, 3 hours each, and I swear to christ everyone was trying to make a funny epic "green text" story for 4chan about how their epic joke payed off.

Shitting in holy water and wiping their ass on a knocked out PC and "asking to roll for size and consistency" of the turd.

Trying to convince the DM to let them roll an (40k) Ork who thinks he's a human with a high Charisma to fool everyone into thinking he's an Ork.


A paladin who dressed like a hobo and used lay on hands but instead he would punch people and say "you regain Xhp instead of lose it. Dont you wonder whats going on? You'll never guess!"

I cast detect evil on the lamp/I tell a joke, does the desk laugh?


Im a thief, can I roll to steal the baristas panties?


I want to roll a monk fighter who only uses suplexes and talks in macho man randy savage voice.


Like, I understand having fun. I get not every character is going to be "Edgy" or serious. But fuck I hate when people try to be funny 24/7

>>53090820
It takes god-tier skill to have a gimmick and actually have it be funny. Like this thread http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/46244963/ where the guy only plays as a skeleton pc but actually makes it fun and would in any other situation be a That Guy

>>53090820
>Ork that thinks he's a human.
>Tries to use charisma to convince people he's really an ork.
this seems fairly accurate.

>>53090875
Aw fuuuuck I mistyped. You know what I mean. I think.

>>53090606
>actually hitting people and doing damage to stuff

I'd actually call the cops and never talk to the faggot again.

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>Playing 3pf
>That guy rolls a catfolk rogue, like he always does every game
>Doesn't talk a lot, but likes to do sneaky shit and steal
>Rest of the party is pretty decent, being a bunch of local actors
>Whenever we try to roleplay or investigate after a fight, he attempts to loot everything
>Doesn't even do anything to help during said fights
>Doesn't share loot
>Always lies about the most mundane things
>Eventually ends up looting and donning a cursed mask
>It's a mask that reincarnates him
>DM forces him to play literally anything other than rogue
>Plays catfolk Ninja
>Does the same thing, and has no discernable change in personality
>Loses his character sheet
>Asks if he can just make a new character
>It's a Tengu Rogue
>Tries to pickpocket our king one night
>Gets caught and killed
>"wtf you never let me play my character right I just want to rp it's what my character would do"

>>53090958
>it's what my character would do

I hate this line. Anyone who says this is automatically that guy.

>>53090915
What did you mean anon? I'm imagining
>"heh, dumb orks! dey tink i'm one 'a dem, but really i'm a bleedin' 'umie! heh heh heh!" -ork

>>53089923

i have a friend who is REALLY big and also always saying stuff about how she'd suck our dicks or flash her tits

we all have girlfriends too

>>53090820
>I want to roll a monk fighter who only uses suplexes and talks in macho man randy savage voice.
i see nothing wrong here

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>>53091089
Just a copy of a tg story

>>53089679

Mine is a very mild case. This was a combat-focused 4e campaign with 6 people, where That Guy played a ranger. He was actually a pretty nice, chill guy, but it was clear that D&D just wasn't the game for him.

>Guy is fucking around on his phone all the fucking time
>Does not pay attention unless it's his turn in combat
>"Huh, what? My turn? Oh, uhh, I attack."
>Every session after an hour he says "hey, I'm gonna go smoke a bowl. Somebody play my ranger while I'm gone." He never comes back. When that encounter ends, most of the table joins him.
>Sessions pass
>Bard player has to stop playing because she gets moved to late shift.
>Barbarian player announces he's getting married and moving to a different city in a few months.
>Druid player has to work on her master's thesis and can't play any more.
>Wizard (whose house we played in) decides he doesn't want people using his house any more, so the rest of us don't have anywhere to play.
>Group disbanded and it was nobody's fault.
>We meet one day afterwards and That Guy says "(Bard player) really killed the whole group. She was bogging down on our guy-time."
>Everybody fucking loved Bard player. She's been part of the group forever. She's one of three people at the table who gave a shit about the story. What the fuck are you smoking dude?
>Turns out he was smoking alt-right memes.
>Last I checked he was working as a UPS delivery man to pay the bills while he tries to become a male model.

He's still a friend but the guy's a dumbass.

I joined a CoC group. I made a humble priest of the lord who was troubled about some of the confessionals he had received recently, intended as a loremonkey with connections.
There was also a cop, a PI, and an agent, so it's safe to assume that this was not a passive group.
And then there was That Guy. That Guy made what I can only imagine to be the closest approximation to a Fighter possible under CoC rules (I believe he was a war veteran who only had a cavalry saber and some kind of flak/bullet proof vest). He was the friend of the PI, and made it quite apparent that this game was not his idea. He was a DnD guy.
The first session he didn't do much. He was mostly a lump
The Agent, was mostly aware of goings on, so gave everyone else the talk and was the defacto leader, and asked each of us to do what we could to collect information.
The cop used some connections to spread the word to some local gangs to be on the lookout for anything unusual. I held a special sermon emphasizing cautionary vigilance in light of some fabricated crime spike and that anyone who sees anything unsafe in the next few days should tell me so I could warn the others.
The PI tailed a "suspicious" person the Agent fed him.
The faux-Fighter, I shit you not, asked three people in the street if they had heard about the Cthulhu cult (Nevermind that the Agent had let us know that the cult was dedicated to nyarlathotep), then asked where the brothel was, then since that wasn't a thing, spent the rest of the session in a bar.

Session 2, we got a bunch of new information. Some names, some dates, some things on the horizon, and a promise to help by one of the gangs the cop had contact with after they saw "some freaky shit".

Unfortunately, we also got a location. A refrigerated warehouse at the docks. The faux-Fighter was determined to go there and "kick some ass". He badgered his friend, the PI to go with him, and the cop disgruntedly volunteered to go with them. Me and the Agent stayed behind.
1/2

>>53090349
>>take i shit you not 2+ hourse to plan
>>we ignore these plans 99% of the time when either samurai or Decker go full retard

I'm pretty sure that's normal for shadowrun.

>>53091149
You know, an actual priest character in an eldritch setting sounds pretty fun. Don't know why I've never tried it.

>>53091221

It's a pretty compelling backstory. A priest would probably be one of the first to notice when his congregation mysteriously gets smaller and smaller as the members become cultists, or maybe some of his fellow priests are the cultists trying to subvert the Church from within, or maybe he comes across some hidden codes in an old Bible that turn out to be eldritch secrets or something. Limitless possibilities.

>>53091149
The Agent stayed behind "To gather more information", but I'm relatively certain it's actually because he knew what was coming. I stayed behind for similar reasons, but also because my character was totally unfit for combat.

So foux-Fighter (Hereafter known as Dingus), his friend, a police officer, and six criminal meatshields show up at a refrigerated warehouse ostensibly used by a cult to an Old God as a centralized base of operations at 4 in the afternoon. (The GM asked if they wanted to waif for nightfall, Dingus said no.). They break in, and find a bunch of cultists doing cultist things.Dingus charges, the PI, the Cop, and his backup squad open fire. Naturally, the Cultists cough up a Shoggoth, which proceeds to do what comes naturally to a Shoggoth, and before long, Dingus has been smashed, the cop died trying to tie up the Shoggoth long enough for everyone else to get away, the PI got shot by a panicking gangster, and the gangsters went down in a pile of SAN failures, except the one that got away to report back.

Dingus was furious, and bitched at the GM for bullshit. The GM and the Agent tried to explain that CoC is not a combat focused game, Dingus wasn't having it, so bitched a bit more, and left. The PI left with him, though he seemed pretty sad.
The game kind of fell apart at that point, we tried a third session but the magic was just gone.


>>53091221
I've done it once before, and it is actually both really fun to play, and actually surprisingly effective. You want a character that is both realistically likely to know some lore on That Which Must Not Be Named, yet also have people listen to them, then look no further.

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>5e is a good beginner system, but now that we've got a few games in I hope the group will switch to 3.5.

This is a that dm story hopefully , need an opinion on it.

>5e dnd campaign
>setting has the party start out as privateers
>roll up a Mage thinking I'd be able to burn down opposing ships
>DM tells me that I can't, turns out in the setting that ships are protected by magic wards against magic
>doesn't have any effect unless I've boarded the ship
>okay fair enough, stops casters from being op in the setting
>Few sessions in we're tasked with destroying an inland base which holds a macguffin cannon
>the camp has hundreds inside
>king gives us no men or reinforcements, just expects us to somehow get in
>we sit there planning how we'll approach this
>me and bard come up with a plan, essentially we're gonna turn him into a predator drone
>MERICA, FUCK YEAH !
>so carve a glyph of warding onto a rock with the spell fireball on it
>then I cast fly onto the bard while he casts haste on himself , turning him into a freaking jet, fly overs the base throws the rock into their ammunition, job done
>flys over the base only for all of our magic being disabled
>turns out the base is enchanted with anti-magic fields with a sensory range of over a hundred fucking feet above
>bard dies from the fall
>do an arcana check and find out about the wards and the sensory field, also that anyone entering automatically disabled any magic item going in, all evocation or illusion spells are disabled for the duration spent in camp
>decide we have to sneak in disguised as guard and complete the mission
>do that and put on the uniforms
>dm tells us we need to do a performance check
>fair enough, everyone rolls we succeed
>go inside and immediately get knocked out
>wake up and we're all chained
>evil general approaches us and tells us that all soldiers have magic ID badges on them, if you don't have one instantly triggers an alarm.

And that was the last session, so what's tg's opinion? I'm genuinely pissed about the situation.

>>53091537
Jesus Christ I'd leave.

>>53091537
Sounds like the DM was trying to win D&D.

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>>53091537
Bud, you just got railroaded. Do everything you can to derail, then post results at a later date

>>53091554
I'm thinking of that , honestly just needed a second opinion on it so I didn't seem like I was being an ass. Don't know if I should ask anyone else in the group about my concerns since I'm the new guy and the dm has been there for a few years

>>53091566
Definitely talk to the players and the dm about it. Or just be an asshole like I said

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>>53091566
>>53091574

>>53091580
Sorry bout that , couldn't tell if it sent the first time

>>53091587
S'all right my man

>>53091537
Tell your GM that you also have a magic thingamajig that lets you Dispell Bullshit Fucking Railroad and leave.

>>53091537
Tell the GM you're not interested in playing a game where nothing you do matters, then leave. If no one wants to play his game then the options are either to whine like a fucking child about how people are assholes and hate fun, or realize that the things he wants to do aren't fun for anyone else. Most likely the first, but still.
>>53090606
>actually punched a player
You see that's the time when most people I know would have beat the living fuck out of him and thrown him out of the house, or just call the cops and ruin his fucking life. He's not a good guy, being okay outside of the times you're being a dick still means you're a dick. You don't need to justify hanging out with him.

>>53091537
Fuck that DM. That's ridiculous.

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>>53090748
>Not every character needs to be a novel
That's a pretty lazy answer, fitting of a Bad Player. It is not very difficult to say "He hates monsters because they ate his best friend when he was 13" and it's also one sentence. Given that it's the motivation that compels the character to stay with the party to kill monsters, I would expect the player to tell me why he does it when I ask him about it.

Figures, lazy players are also bad players.

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I had 2 that guys in one game i had

>Playing M&M
>GM is pretty new and inexperienced
>I made mix of Not!Doomrider and Not!Etrigan, spent most of my points in Immortality and teleport because i wanted my PC to be the punching bag while others got their shit done
>That Guy 1 plays some kind of Punisher faggot who kills the baddies for teh lulz
>That Guy 2 Plays some kind of animu girl batman who is invisible and never interacts with the party
>Start game
>Group starts "investigating" on a drug cartel
>Meaning i teleport everyone directly there and fuck shit up
>Except invisible animu girl, because i don't know she's there
>We bust the drug cartel, we all cheer yeah cool
>That guy 1 is pissed, with my charcater for some reason, probably because i don't amuse him and his brooding edginess
>Decides i need todie, shoots me
>he misses and i teleport to safety
>Return immediately after because im not a dick
>Game stops because that guy 1 is having a hissy fit
>Both That Guys then complained to the GM that i shouldn't be immortal because dying is the basic way of losing a game
>I know they just wanted to kill me and were pissed that they couldn't do it permanently
>Since the GM is inexperienced and easy to manipulate, they bully him into removing my immortality
>I admit it, i get mad
>"Ok, since i can't take Immortality, I put all my points in immunity and take immunity to death"
>I get kicked on the insistence of the two idiots
>There will never be a second session

I was not gonna stay anyway, but fuck those two faggots who wanted to be brooding and edgy in a very light-hearted game

>>53089679
Fuck, I hate people who think that roleplaying as a thief means stealing everything that's not attached to the floor. This shit is way too common

>>53092652
or barbarians who drink/fuck/kill everything in sight wherever they go

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>>53089679

>There's a "That Guy" thread everyday

Why is there so many weirdos and douchebags playing Tabletop RPGs?

>>53093333
Because my dear quadmeister, there are a lot of "famous" people doing podcasts of them playing RPGs doing W@cKY® shit and there is an influx of idiots that think they are going to be able to intimidate an avalanche because their e-celeb did it.

Also, being a niche hobby, it gathers a lot of outcasts and for a good reason.

>>53093333
There's weirdos and douchebags in every hobby; tabletops are just a social activity that revolves around people making their own stories, which is the perfect mix to make tales like this

>>53093333
because tabletops are power fantasy games (usually) that appeal to the socially inept who think they can do anything they want.

also nice quads

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>>53091537
Just leave anon - its not worth it. That DM sounds like they wanted to build their game as if the DM was *fighting* the players.

This post legitimately makes me angry since it reminds me of my old shitty DMing a few years back.

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>>53089679
If everyone is a retard and enjoying it, arent you THAT GUY then, OP?

>>53093333
There really aren't. The better question is why /tg/ seems to have interacted with all of them...oh right.

>>53093601
Sounds like something THAT GUY would say.

>>53090984
>be paladin
>see orphanage
>find out a child rapist runs it
>go in an confront and kill the rapist
>DM throws a hissy fit because it was going to be story arc that mimics a crime show
>ask why I did it
>it's what my character would do

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>DnD
>Players hear of a dragon giving a settlement severe issues
>Players think they are probably too underleveled but say fuck it they will give it a shot anyway
>One player doesn't like the idea but says fuck it we will do it anyway
>They finally get there, the dragon is sleeping and they try to sneak up on it
>One of the players fucks up badly
>Little combat happens and the dragon knocks out two people in one turn due to their awful placement
>Gets to the one player who didn't want to come, the main healer
>He says he is just running away
>He has never acted like a coward before this fight
>Two players still alive and fighting, they distract the shit out of it and manage to roll really well, the two downed people are behind cover and easy to get to
>Healer is still running
>A guy that is still alive starts crafting and lobbing different kinds of potions doing a rather large amount of damage he tries to rush over to the other two players
>The other is just distracting the shit out of it in the open
>Dragon openly described as limping and having severe issues
>The healer is still running
>Dragon is supposedly at death's door but not quite dead yet
>A few more rounds pass and the two remaining people roll badly and get struck down
>Healer gets to the caved in entrance where they entered from and begins removing rocks
>The two survivors are grabbed and turned into stone over a turn or two, they fail their rolls badly
>Healer is just removing rocks
>Dragon takes the two stone people to the center of the room
>Healer just continues to remove rocks acting like its a dire situation for him and how he is scared he wont be able to get out
>Dragon picks up the other two and does the exact same thing
>Healer manages to make a hole and just leave, happy and excited he managed to get his character out with all of his stuff

>>53093781
"And then the dragon kills you. BANNED"

>>53093781
Damn I was scared that he was gonna get eaten. Phew! Good thing the hero survived.

>>53090958
It's the pickpockets that are the worst. They don't wanna do a heist or anything involved, it's all just spur of the moment.

>>53091650
>call the cops
Fucking Americans

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>>53093781

I bet the DM did a bunch of hand waving or some shit.

Healer probably did nothing wrong.

Fuck That Guy threads, one sided garbage.

>>53093781
>Everyone else is on board for something retarded, healer is dragged along to be a good sport
>Shit blows up in your face as expected, guy didn't want to be here anyways.
>Does EXACTLY what his character would do in a way that could be easily predicted and is completely understandable
>Butthurt faggot runs to tell /tg/ on him

Holy shit I fucking hate you. You're playing dnd not fucking WoW. You're definitely posting in the right thread though.

>>53093898
>>53093977
Why are you visiting these threads if they're just gonna remind you of that time you sperged out over a game? If you're not enjoying it you don't have to be here. Don't make your problems our nuisance. I've seen you around in other That Guy threads. You always intentionally misinterpret peoples stories so you can put your own spin on them. Obviously we can all see trough it. It's about time you learn that.

>>53093781
While I wouldn't call the healer from your story That Guy it certainly wasn't very nice to be part of the planning and then just ditch your party the first thing you do. Everyone went into the fight counting on that healer and he just chickened out without saying a word.

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>>53093781

>go into dumb situation and get btfo
>one guy is smart enough to not want to reroll a character and flees once it is evident you won't win while you retards keep trying

>wtf that guy! why didnt you act like a retard and die with us?!

No wonder the DM basically let the dragon let him live. He was the only guy who acted rationally when facing a dragon way above your level.

>>53094687
Arguably the dragon was at their level if it was at death's door when the party was missing a member

>>53093728
Notice how far you had to reach to try and come up with a contradiction?

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>>53094687
>party almost kills dragon
>faggot ditching them was the sole reason tehy lost
>"LOL RETARD SERVES YOU RIGHT"

>>53094724

And it still beat them. Clearly they weren't quite ready for it. Let's not forget the healer stayed until two dudes were down and shit wasn't looking good to get out. Granted, you are supposed to be heroic in DnD, but is killing a random dragon worth a tpk? No. Sometimes ya gotta cut your losses and just live to try again. That is probably why the DM let him live, he knew that while the others acted like robots repeatedly hitting shit with no regard for their own safety. Even a hero has some sense of self preservation.

It would be like blaming a guy for running when a buff maniac runs into a room of 5 people, downs 2, and is working on the rest. Would these people mindlessly keep hitting the maniac? No. You fucking run. You're down half your party, learn when to cut your losses.

>>53094817
Or he could do his job and heal them? The reason they were downed is they stood right next to each other. They were ready for the Dragon as had they had the healer, the dragon would have died.

>>53089679
The GM needs to address the group.

1. Participation counts.
a. While it may take several sessions for the new guy to feel comfortable to speak up, everyone is expected to take an active role.

2. Everyone needs to have characters that will get along with everyone, and be able to participate in the campaign.
a. That doesn't mean you can't have interesting back stories, but it means that everyone is part of a party for some reason, and that this party is going adventuring.
b. It also means that everyone has to act somewhat sanely, and not derail the story.

>>53094817
It looks like the dragon beat them because their healer bailed on them immediately instead of making any attempt to heal

>>53090820
I know your pain better than most. Especially considering I play mostly 40k games. Try playing Dark Heresy where your team is a Eldar with every power and skill, a Dark Eldar who runs faster than vehicles, a SoB in love with one or both of them, and then just a couple normal characters. And the 3 of them are all "Lel we're so quirky and funny and we can makes 40k light-hearted and joyful every game xDddddD." It's actual hell.

>>53094860

So, what, the healer kept skipping turns and did nothing? Doubt it. Clearly he tried and when shit wasn't looking good. The two retards mindlessly kept bashing it, even after the healer left. They were idiots. At that point you roleplay and realize you aren't sacrificing yourself for a noble cause, but for a random dragon and flee. Live to fight another day and avenge your fallen friends.

What you shouldn't do is act like you're in a video game and keep fighting a pointless battle like a murderhobo who wants to grind more xp and loot. You play like a real character who has one life and run.

>>53094927
He ran away immediatly. No skipping turns. Two PC knocked out in a lucky it off the bat and the healer runs away. AND THE PARTY STILL ALMOST WINS

>>53094817

They way i see it, the DM told the party through an NPC that a dragon was attacking the village, its a plot hook, he might as well just say "Guys, wanna go kill a dragon? Might be fun!" and for the way he was telling it it seemed like a challenge for the party but not something it was going to get them killed instantly

If not then why mention the dragon at all?

>>53094519
>I've seen you around in these threads

Are you actually mentally deficient?

>>53094965

Could have been a trap, or the dm wanted some to die and report back and it becomes part of a larger issue. Could be random shit as a sidequest. I don't know how most DMs run things, but the ones I've played with throw out all sorts of shit to make the world feel more alive and give us choices. Not that all the choices are bound to be easy or good. Just because a dragon was mentioned doesn't mean the DM intended them to rush after it, which seems to be the case given he had the dragon let the healer flee. But that all depends on how their DM runs shit. Maybe he's more direct and it was intended to be a sidequest they could handle.

>>53095015
Or maybe the healer survived because the DM didn't want a total TPK. It clearly was something they could handle had the healer not run away

>>53094927
Oh, so you just fucking forgot to read the greentext.
Don't be a retard anon and have the decency to check up again.

>>53095054

He killed 4/5. At that point what's one more?

And at the end of the day I obviously don't know what happened, I wasn't there, but it seems odd that a cleric who was never a coward before suddeny lets the whole party die for no reason. The whole post reeks of exaggeration and being one sided. Especially after the fact that even once their healer left and they apparently knew it was over, they continued to attack it like they were video game characters rather than roleplaying like real people who regarded their lives more than a random sidequest. I've played enough games with people who treated tabletops like video games and got fucked over while blaming everyone else to see where his post is going.

>>53089679
>fashioned after a bloodborne hunter
>hatred of monsters and evil
>NO REAL MOTIVATIONS BUT TO GET BY
you sound like that guy off the bat, and your entire group could actually pass for that guy going off the story.

You're that group

>>53090434
Did he roll for anal circumference?

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>>53090230

I started playing 4e as 3-4 hour sessions for a tiny bit of story and 2-3 combat encounters solely to have fun with creating cool combat encounters because roleplaying with my players is a chore.

>talk over the description
>constantly yell over each other about what they're going to do when it's not their turn
>every character is an exaggerated joke

The only time I have fun with them is when we're running a collective board game of sorts with me as the one challenging them, and that keeps me going, but fuck me sideways I wish I wasn't a shit GM and people gave a shit about the story I'm spinning.

Like I dunno, I've done a lot of speaking and improv classes, I can pull a decent description out of thin air, make it work with background noise, but nobody seems to care and any mood is ruined by the dwarven fighter deciding that the topic of the day is "how to shit on a boat".

Also, one guy I played with told me he doesn't like most classic fantasy universes because they're a cliched good vs evil fight every single time, and he is okay as a player but with two annoying things he does:
>every character has to have a quirky gimmick and he'll often play the Mother May I game about getting some random artifacts out of the blue just to play around with, no matter how low-magic we're playing
>has to have plot hooks forced up his nose because his character is always the sedentary type that doesn't give a fuck about adventuring

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>>53090418
>big dick daddy with the candy cane nutsack

>>53090349
"I roll charisma to mind control the other players"
The mark of a bad player, gm, or both

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>>53090418
>"big dick daddy with the candy cane nutsack"

>>53090200
>characters personality was completely inconsistent

I have this problem with a bunch of my characters. Ill act one way then act another. I wish I could fix it.

>>53094965
Sometimes when the players feel that they are not ready, they are right. It means that maybe they need more people, or they need better equipment, or they need to level up. You can make known that there is a big baddy, but it doesn't have to be conquered immediately.

>>53093781
So he's supposed to metagame knowing they can kill a dragon after 2/5 of the party goes down in one hit and it's described as limping while his character is already running away?

Also how are you a coward for running from a dragon that just dropped two people at the start of the fight? This isn't some vidya fight where you just save and retry, you're playing characters who don't want to kill themselves.

>acting like it's a dire situation for him, scared he won't be able to get out
IN A CAVE IN WITH A FUCKING DRAGON

It sounds like your healer is the only one who knows what what it means to play in character and not pretend you're a MMO party.

>>53093861
Swing back and he can call the cops on you, which is pretty likely for a petty faggot that would punch someone over tabletop shit. Our legal system is pretty fucked. If someone's that much of a twat I'll happily have their life so fucked that they can't get a better job than McDonalds for the rest of their life. One assault charge and you can kiss a decent job goodbye.

>>53089937
holy kek

and how the fuck did tim get away with killing you in character and ooc what a little bitch

>>53096162
>I am a great healer, channeling the powers of a god
>With me is a great knight who slays foul beasts in one blow
>An alchemist able to create mighty potions in a second
>OH FUCK ITS A LIZARD WITH WINGS, I BETTER DITCH MY FRIENDS AND JUST BOLT EVEN THOUGH IT IS VERY WEAK

>>53096236
And how does he know it's very weak? Characters don't see stat blocks. They see a fucking dragon take out half of their friends instantly. Nothing you said actually means they can defeat a dragon. Being an adventurer doesn't mean your character thinks it can fight anything. Descriptions of how the dragon's close to going down are completely irrelevant if the character already ran and isn't even looking at the fucker.

So unless this is really high level shit I'm not really sure what you want.

>>53096321
>So unless this is really high level shit I'm not really sure what you want.
An attempt to save his friends would have been nice

>>53096225
≥In the year of our Lord Two-thousand and Seventeen
>still bashing based 4e
Yeah fuck off. You're an insufferable fuck wad.

>>53096389
And here comes the 4rry defense force bringing their edition warring shit into an unrelated thread.

Go hang yourself, no one would miss you.

>>53096348
Not running up to a dragon he never wanted to fight would have been nice. Characters are allowed to make different decisions, they aren't locked to a suicide pact with each other just because they've fought together.

The cleric made a reasonable decision, run from what looks like certain death. The post just looks like someone got pissy because someone else didn't do what they wanted. It would have been nice, but that in no way means his character should have ignored what he just saw. You aren't your character, a character abandoning your character isn't the same as your friend abandoning you. If you don't want PCs to react to things instead of acting like consequences don't exist then co-op video games might be a better choice than tabletop.

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>>53096407
>4rry
>not 4fag

>>53096407
Are you the one who decided to bash it? Oh sorry for shitting up the thread, no that should be you. Keep you fat mouth shut and we wouldn't have this problem. You can always go to another thread to bash shit, ya know. I'll defend 4e from twats like you all I want because I actually play games. You're just a whiterooming asshole. BOOL THE END

>>53091085
did you let her suck your dick?

>>53089937
These stories have to fake, I can't see how anyone could justify killing someone's player character because they "stole" the spotlight. Can anyone who has had this happen in there group explain the excuse they use to explain why their chacacter is killing a person they spend days or months with, because to me it just seems like:

>spend tons of time with people
>defeat evil guy with said people
>murder the person who got the final punch in because...
>it's what my character would do

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>>53090418
>that one guy who played a human barbarian named "big dick daddy with the candy cane nutsack" who killed his whole tribe except the women whom he raped

>>53096511
>I can't see how anyone could justify killing someone's player character because they "stole" the spotlight
Oh, my poor sweet innocent child. PCs have been killed for pettier things that challenged the player's dick size. Stealing the spotlight is grand transgression for some, especially if they don't really like you that much.

>>53096511
There are autistic people who are desperate to play tabletop stuff then flip their fucking shit when things don't fit their exact expectations. I met a guy who got pissy that other characters left his street sam to die because he stopped to deliver a full anime speech while being chased by guards. Some people want to use rpgs to play out doing whatever they want to do regardless of anything or anyone else, and they're really entitled about their ability to do so, thinking that anything that interferes is a personal attack.

>>53096487
>insults insults insults

Starting edition wars and can't even do it properly.

Typical 4rry.

>>53096599
I'm not starting jack squat. You bagged on a game THEN I defended it. Is there something wrong with your frontal lobe? It's not an edition war until another edition is brought up, sunshine. Please crawl back to whatever hell you crawled out of today.

>>53096225
Anon, I don't really care what you think of D&D or anything. 4e is just the only system that my players work with. They do not care for roleplay, though I don't think 4e is bad for it. They like board games, tactics and drinking beer and having fun while making shitty jokes. I'm coping with their collective rowdiness and thatguyism by playing a "game" where they like to feel clever and AoE down mobs and face entertaining creatures.

I had fun pitting them against an armor with ridiculous grapple DC that would squish them and break bones with his massive hands, with a giant myconid in his own lair full of acid-spitting spores and gaseous clouds that would explode the moment anything broke their delicate atomic structure.

All the while they were like "lol a giant shroom xD kick its ass". That's just how I get my GMing fix. A little sad, but I get by. My best storytelling I get from one-shots on conventions, not campaigns with my crew.

>>53096717
I really think that you are That Guy of this thread and I'm sorry that you don't find any irony in the fact that a thread about venting about unsavory players and their toxic behavior is met with your hostility and attempts to derail this thread into a shit-flinging contest.

These threads are universal, for players of oWoD, nWoD, D&D, OSR, WFRP, probably even FATAL. I chose 4e because I thought it was a neat, tactical game, and my players enjoy it. It gives me a GMing outlet because I get to design cool monsters with the toolbox provided to me by the system. That's all.

I bid you no ill will, and I hope you're having fun with whatever you choose to play. But do consider if "I didn't care to actually read your story" is correct behavior in a thread about exchanging stories.

>>53096424
The cleric shouldn't have gone in the first fucking place if they didn't want to go.

>>53096950
You can try something you're against, you can also run when the fight starts and it immediately looks like you were right.

It's not your decision, so it doesn't have to be what you would do.

>>53096844
Stop replying to obvious trolls.

>>53094927
Are you practising for some sort of mental gymnastics competition?

>>53090230
im a relitively new dm but when i made my party go up a against a troll the one guy in the party who has been playing for years and knows how trolls work didnt actually say anything to the other players so that he doesn't ruin the game. I'm pretty sure he also knows about the other enemies ive had them fight but he still doesnt reveal anything, its fucking great

>>53093728
If I played LG, I would try to confront the child rapist with the monster he is and try to reform him. I would also attempt to help the children deal with thier trauma. Possibly at the same time.

In any case, going and killing someone without due process is like the defintion of unlawful behavior.

>>53097270
What's true in current society isn't necessarily true in the setting. Old world societies weren't founded on the idea that you'll be judged by your peers, and a paladin could be given the authority to carry out justice as he sees fit. They also didn't have the rigid restrictions on death penalty.

Hell, in feudal Japan it was lawful for a samurai to murder a peasant because of something petty they took offense to. Lawful doesn't mean fitting current laws.

>>53097654
>DnD lawfulness = local law
It's not a subjective thing anymore of its a physical force that you can hit people with.

>>53097730
But it is a subjective thing. Lawful evil exists with very different values from lawful good. Lawful good is still not attached to modern laws. The divine powers are something you can hit people with, but even different gods have different views of what should be. The fact that you get powers from a god doesn't mean the values are universal.

>>53097849
So a spell like Law Arrow is hitting someone with the magic of local town law? I'm not talking about getting powers from the gods, I'm talking about Lawfulness being a physical force in this world.

>>53097942
I have never heard of law stuff that wasn't a divine power, so I guess that works in your setting. That sounds pretty fucking stupid to be honest because it has nothing to do with law, they're just attaching an irrelevant word to something. Normal D&D law isn't just some rigid set of rules attached to nothing in particular, and even then it's not based on a world where those laws don't exist. Either you're talking about some homebrew or you misunderstood something.

>>53098000
Law is something you can hit someone with as a spell, it's something that makes certain creatures more vulnerable, as Lawful creatures take more damage from a spell like Chaos Hammer, and basic spells and abilities are able to detect Lawfulness in creatures.

Lawfulness in DnD is not an abstract concept but a physical force. It is you who doesnt understand.

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I have a couple:

First DnD group I ever played in at secondary school:

>Weird simple version of DnD
>Everyone is a Mage/Warrior Hybrid
>Short, ugly, virgin guy, decides to play pure dwarven mage
>Tries to FUCK EVERY WOMAN HE MEETS
>DM is hard-line christian conservative (also our maths teacher)
>All women reject him
>Gets incarcerated for trying to rape the daughter of a lord we were working for
>He implores us to break him out of jail, downright begs us
>others are all for it
>Session ends
>I ask for private word with DM outside (we used to play in a hut classroom at school) under the pretence about talking to him about some homework due the next day.
>Suggest to him that he should have the lord release him but "remove his need for women"
>DM smiles and says nothing more about it
>I leave
>Next session
>Rest of the party tries to rescue dwarf mage
>I stay at the local tavern, I am playing an alcoholic assassin (have to roll not to spend all my cash at any tavern we pass) so I didn't have a choice.
>They are caught (since I was the only stealth character)
>Lord/DM smiles
>Gelds them all and has them thrown out of the city
>mfw I am a drunk Dark Elf leading around a bunch of very pissed off eunuchs

To this day they don't know it was me that suggested it.

>>53089679
Didn't you post this in a different thread?
Either way I feel bad for your gm. Where'd you find the game? Roll20?

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>>53098081
>trying to rape someone in your consertive Christian math teachers game

>>53098066
People can do different things based on different values and still be lawful, the fact that lawful good/lawful evil are different things just part of the setting. Nothing you said means that law sticks to a specific guideline, because in universe it doesn't stick to a specific guideline. It's shitty writing that doesn't make much sense, but all law isn't the same just because you can use magic for it.

>>53096511
Truth is stranger than fiction. I know of a long suffering group that has a Paladin go full Jack Chic and complain loudly OOCly whenever the spellcasters start to do well. When challenged about it, he'll blubber that he finds the supernatural terrifying and quote bible phrases.

Everyone involved knows that he is fucking full of it. He has Death Knight and Warlock characters on WoW fully leveled and geared. He just uses his religion (Doesn't even go to church..) as a beatstick to bring down other people when they start to shine. The only reason he hasn't been kicked or oocly punished is because they're all sure he'll kill himself.

>>53090606
>has all of his shit together
>is punching people and throwing tantrums over a game

No, anon, that is not having your shit together, that is the opposite of having your shit together

>>53098178
So a spell like Detect Lawful can detect completely different values in different creatures but still ping to reveal the same thing somehow?

>>53098167

He was a fucking idiot, IRL he lied to people that he got a BJ from a girl he knew out of school. Just a sad little man.

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>>53089679
>>"ah I guess I'm just drinking lol"

I like him.

>>53098206
Yes, it's shitty writing but the concept of lawful characters with completely different concepts of lawful is a thing that exists. You're acting like fucking dungeons and dragons is written in a way that completely makes sense, you realize it's not a fully reasonable description of how reality works but a work of fiction used to describe multiple settings with various degrees of customization, right?

Or are you saying that a lawful good and lawful evil character would be bound by the same rules, despite directly contradicting each other? This isn't a perfect system, trying to use logic to come to a 100% consistent answer doesn't work because that's not how the setting is designed. Are you actually having issues believing that not everything in D&D makes complete sense? Because holy fuck that's some autism, it's a basic concept for a fantasy setting not a thesis on metaphysics.

>>53098206
A lawful creature is a creature that has a moral guideline that will follow. A personal code, tradition or an oath, nothing more.

Then again, alignment barely do anything on 5e

Played with a guy that basically played the crow in M&M but he named him "the raven". He even went so far as to have face paint. Dude was pure cringe as a person and in game. He would have his character randomly crouch on the corners of rooftops during story dialogue, he would quote lyrics from type O negative and SoAD while fighting and at one point tried to eat the baby of an NPC to satisfy his characters bloodlust that never showed up until that point.

>>53098165
Yeah. He posted it in a bad dm/bad player thread.

>>53098287
Its not a fully reasonable description of reality, and therefor its more reasonable to think that being lawful isnt this loose concept. It's acting in accordance to this physical force that obviously exists.

Lawful Evil and Lawful Good arent directly contradicting each other. They oppose eachother in one fundemantal way and yet are similar in another.

Killing someone without due process isnt Lawful iether way. Any society with unlawful execution must therefor lean more towards another Alignement. The only way the original scenario might be considered lawful is if there is some kind of law that says "if you think someone might be child-rapist, you can kill them".

>>53098350
That makes no fucking sense. What if it is my personal code, tradition or oath to set as many houses on fire as I can? How is that not straight up Chaotic?

>>53098596
>What if it is my personal code, tradition or oath to set as many houses on fire as I can?
That is, at least, consistient. You don't break windows, you don't murder inhabitants, you burn houses. Seems like part of an evil druid's code.

However, one clause does not make a code. You might still be neutral if that's the extent of your code, or possibly chaotic if you don't really strictly stick to burning houses.

>>53098666
But that isnt the consistent part though. What's consistent is that you're conducting yourself orderly and dont break the law.

>>53098731
The problem here is that we're trying to assign traits based on alignment, which is the opposite of what should be happening.

>>53098596
>killing someone without due process isn't lawful either way
Factually incorrect, your values don't translate to game values, people are given permission to handle it themselves. Due process is completely irrelevant to law unless law states it's there.

You're just making shit up to make it fit your view, it has nothing to do with the actual concepts you're trying to discuss. Detect lawful can absolutely ping as lawful for characters following different sets of rules. You can say you don't agree, but that's how the game works regardless of what you think about it. If someone chooses to add a different rule, then of course they can, and that's exactly what you're doing. You're making up rules that aren't actually there just to fit what you want to say, which is fine because that's how fleshing out a setting works. But what you're saying isn't some objective truth, it's just your take on something.

In universe, it's abstract, claiming that certain rules are rigid overarching things for everything lawful is contradictory to the core concept.

>>53098813
Oh I'm sory. I didnt know you were the arbiter of core concepts in DnD.

We're both just talking about how we happen to see the world in the game we run.

In any case, if there is no law that states you can kill people because you suspect them to be child rapists, it cant be Lawful.

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this doesn't belong here but whatever

>DMing a game
>me and some other dude having an after game drink
>we start talking about half races and how they may come about
>guy thinks that half races shouldn't be rare
>I disagree
>talk about how inconvenient an elf and human union is and why that on its own would likely make half elfs a lot less common then mixed race people today
>mention that it would make sense for wood elfs to use half elfs as cannon fodder in times of war due to how much faster they mature mentally
>he seems offended and I change the topic
>talking about half-orcs
>he says that half-orcs would definitely be rare
>I say that if anything they'd be more half orcs than half elves
>explain that I had to make half-orcs infertile in my setting just to have it make sense in my own head
>he asks how making them infertile would change anything
>tell him that theoretically if orcs could breed with a race that made their children smarter, more ambitious, live longer and a lot more suited to leading a clan then they'd seek to mate with humans to better their odds
>he says that wouldn't change anything and that humans probably just don't find orcs attractive
>politely explain to him that a hoard like nomadic race wouldn't exactly raid human settlements, take slaves and then kindly ask them if they would like to have sex with them
>tell him that the only disincentive to not mate with humans for an orc is the fact that they can't have children to continue the line and that they wouldn't want to have half orc children that threatened their full orc children’s future potential claim to leadership if the half orcs can't have kids
>he gets uncomfortable that I implied that rape exists in my world
>never turns up again

good riddance, what a fucking childish faggot.
if I confronted him on it he'd probably use the "games are an escape from reality" argument.

>>53095802
>I wish I could fix it.
You can. Just be consistent and actually roleplay.

>GM tells us this is going to be a low-magic campaign - we may find some enchanted gear, but they'll be rare and they'll be powerful to reflect that
>GM is also very paranoid about not letting us see each other's sheets - this is new because he's never normally weird about that sort of thing
>he sends me a load of pdfs relating to another game he wants to run
>accidentally includes his plot for the campaign
>the whole game revolves around his gf's character, who, FOR SOME REASON, is allowed to play a succubus and is also daughter of a great demon lord, cast out of their realm for not being evil enough blah blah blah
>decide to fuck with the story, because all the other players are also tired of the GM letting his gf get away with everything
>come back from a quest one session with an unidentified helm
>GM mentions there's a few clerics in the inn
>ask the clerics if they could possibly cast Detect Evil in exchange for a donation to the local church
>GM says no
>roll a Persuade check to convince them
>natural 20
>clerics detect the shit out of the succubus in the corner
>clerics hit her with a blast of concentrated holy energy so hard, it turns her into literal paste
>DM's GF looks at me in shocked silence, then runs out the door in tears
>GM calls me a dick, other players laugh their asses off once he leaves the room

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>>53097270
>Mercy for a child rapist
Not every criminal deserves redemption. Not every single criminal can be redeemed, even if it's redemption they shouldn't have qualified for.
Sometimes, you must swing the axe, your hands without a single tremble of doubt.

>>53099264
Elf+Human being inconvenient might not as much of a factor. Attraction is hardly always reasonable.

I dont really think it makes sense for any of the Core races to be especially rare. Atleast not for Pathfinder.

>>53099523
It's not about Mercy. It's about doing everything in your power to make the world a better place and only taking life when you absolutely have to.

>>53098888
Even your quads cannot protect you; the laws of man are not aligned. To be lawful means to be disciplined, to exert control, and to respect tradition and community.

>>53094965
>The world must be suited to my special character!
K.

>>53098186
>they're all sure he'll kill himself.
And? So what?

>>53099572
Removing the man with due haste makes for a better place. It makes the victims learn that there is justice and retribution, and evildoers must pay the toll for their misdeeds.
That life needed to be taken, for the sake of justice. If an evildoer can just aknowledge that his misdeeds were wrong and never do it again, it does not set the scales of justice back to balance. You could justify the worst of monsters being spared just because he stopped doing such a thing, then allowing him to live the rest of his life like nothing happened and show the victims that evil pays well.
The act of taking a life is never inherently evil, nor needs be a last resource.

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>>53099552
luckly we have a real world example

nobles/peasants

nobles rarely married aristocrats (elderin/high elf) let alone peasants.

I don't give a fuck how attractive someone is, you're not going to risk your entire inheretance for some fucc. not to mention even if someone did risk it which they obviously sometimes would do, they wouldn't always get them pregnant, people would have to have sex with that person more than once which is even less common.

half elfs from married couples would be EXTREAMLY rare and out of wedlock would be rare on it's own.

a good half elf back story might be a elf who has affairs on his wife with human women all the time and the half-elf has a ton of brothers. but due to the town having a large elf population it he doesn't know who his father is or which half elfs he's related or or if he's related to all of them and his father is the only one cheating on his wife.

but every single half elf I get has to have a perfectly happy mother and father married and luckly at the age where their relationship isn't awkward yet.

TL;DL: yes that shit would be rare, especially in a world where divination isn't a crock of shit. diviners would make a killing finding out of busting mens balls for cheating.

>>53099580
>Quads of a number that is twice divisible by 4 and is also my favorite number
Thanks for pointing that out. I hadnt noticed.

Anyway, traditions can totally be Chaotic. You can exert control by means for violence and intimidation. I'll give you discipline but that's only 1/3 right.

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>>53099657
The problem is that a trial does not only show that someone broke the law, but it shows that they were the one that actually did it. So unless you walk in on the act or see them performing ritualistic rape for a satanic cult or something stay your sword.

>>53099686
They're not separate things, they're meant to work in tandem with one-another.

>>53099657
THIS NIGGA UNDERSTAND LAWFUL GOOD.
fuck you reablitation niggas. this isn't the contempary era.

I fucking HATE i mean DISPISE people who inject modern political opinions into gaming.

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>>53099657
>The act of taking a life is never inherently evil, nor needs be a last resource.

As long as you aren't playing D&D.

>>53099512
wow you're so smart anon.
it's a shame the DM had no control of those clerics huh otherwise he could have avoided upseting his girlfriend.

>>53099675
So a lot of them would just be illegitimate and bastards. That could still be a pretty common thing to happen. Also, once its happened, those Half-elfs would create offspring of thier own. This way it becomes more and more common and cases like your last example become more socially acceptable.

Romance is exactly the kind of thing where people stop being as reasonable.

>>53099762
The DM in that story lacks free will, man. He can't even be considered a person.

>>53099725
>raping children isn't evil

fuck right off you cunt.

not even saying that we should hang them in real life but if you honestly think a child rapist isn't evil then I hope some mexican guy breaks into your house and rapes you one day.

>>53099512
>things that never happened

>>53096511
I mostly don't believe it due to the stupid "LOL I became a DC 1 million god."

>>53099701
>Trial
Congratulations on getting anything reliable in a medieval setting short of throwing Detect Lies+ a bunch of mind-invading spells to confirm the truth. Well, that, or just see if the smite attack deals that sweet bonus damage or it fails.

>>53099725
>Murder is the killing of an intelligent creature for a nefarious purpose.
Read the second sentence you idiot. It specifies that murder is only a specific subset of kill.
>Killing an evil creature to stop it from doing further harm is not an evil act.
This fits. You kill the child rapist (the evil creature) to stop it from doing further harm (child raping). Thus, it is not an evil action, nor it is murder.

The child rapist could have earned redemption if he had gone and confessed his crimes on his own, without the threat of danger. You could have legitimately considered sparing him if he had put himself on his knees and begged for forgivance the moment he saw you approaching him, intent on a confrontation. That child rapist did not look for redemption onto his own, nor did he immediately surrender to the hand of justice. Thus, trying to redeem him would be a chaotic act, forcing you over to NG.

>>53099800
Nobody said that.

You did, though.

>>53099725
>murder is the killing of an intelligent creature for a nefarious purpose
>killing an evil creature is not an evil act

>>53099657
Does it make for a better place though? It doesnt provides closure for anyone as it all just suddenly ends and it allows us to make certain people into monsters society apparently just isnt able to deal with.

I'm not saying that all evil should be allowed to continue but LG should always be aiming to reform.

I think you're just taking the easy path of 'might makes right'.

>>53099781
but again divination exists. even though women couldn't divorce their husbands back then, cheating was still a huge stigma so if your wife could find out and spread it around town your repitation would be ruined.

it wouldn't be hard for a person to set up a business that makes money off of that alone.

I really don't think you know how rare I mean when I say rare.

in a town where elfs and humans live together then a half elf would be 1/200, meaning it wouldn't be rare at all to see a half elf but they would be uncommon enough to stare at and to find exotic and sexy but in seperatonist towns which would be the majority of towns the citizens would go decades between seeing a half elf pass though their town.

honestly besides who the fuck wants children that will die before them?

>>53099823
Well said, but it depends on the person approaching. I'll call it a paladin for this, one of devotion.

You could cut a hand, send him to the land's noble for trial, send him on holy penitence or something. Even beat him to a pulp before any of those. If it gloats and or says he doesn't regret shit, then go ahead, behead the bastard.

But gutting should't be the first and only choice.

As the oath of devotion says,
>Show mercy to your foes, but temper it with wisdom.

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>53099825
>Killing an evil creature to stop it from doing further harm is not an evil act.
>implies that killing a child rapist is evil.

>>53090200
> "Only ENEMIES are supposed to have"
This is the only one that's bullshit. Reality doesn't label things "friends" and "enemies" relative to some specific cuck to decide what portion of reality works for whom

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>53099955
>The act of taking a life is never inherently evil, nor needs be a last resource.

>Hey, here is a case of taking a life that's evil.

>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

>>53099955
>>53100029
What the fuck are you doing?

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>>53100051
Pathetically denying (You)s.

>>53099891
Justice is first and foremost retributive. Benevolence might be reformative first, but Justice and not Benevolence is what defines Lawful Good. Reaping what one sows is the very basis of it.

Reformation is a thing, but redemption must be earned. In some cases, redemption can only happen through the death of the evildoer.
The man who killed his fellow in a fit of rage can be reformed. The bandit that had no other choice in order to feed himself or his family can be reformed.

The child rapist? He's a man that harmed the innocent in order to satisfy his hedonism. His evil was unjustifiable, and upon committing it, he did not immediately surrender himself, but continued in his vile ways. He was an active danger to others. It is utterly unfair to give someone what he does not deserve. And someone doesn't deserve something he hasn't worked towards. Thus, the child rapist does not deserve mercy.

>>53099944
The paladin needs not request someone else make trial. In a medieval society, justice was always sourced in the divine, and a paladin is a warrior literally empowered by a god to do justice in the name of said god. Thus, the paladin is empowered to be judge, jury and executioner, because that's what his deity has determined he is capable of being.

And this is not any criminal we're talking of. We're talking of someone who has comitted a most vile of crimes, and multiple times.

>>53099630
One day he will realize that Guilt and Sympathy has diminishing returns. I certainly stopped giving a shit.

>>53100029
>implies that killing a child rapist is evil.
>continues to imply that killing a child rapist is evil
raping children isn't evil
>n-n-nobody said that.

yep found the pedophile.
let me guess you play a 300 year old part dragon loli who flirts with the party in pathfinder.

>>53100078
why are you even trying to explain this to a retard.
he doesn't know anything about history or ethics.

you may as well be trying to teach a hungry african why they shouldn't kill each other for blood diamonds.

>>53099923
But once it does happen, it will happen more. People can just be philosophical about about your significant other or your children dying before you. Either way, someone is going to have to deal with loss anyway.

There can also just as easily be cases where it was never meant as a commital thing. People can just fuck. Some of those people will get pregnant.

>>53100097
>Chasing shadows, the post.
Carry on.

>>53100078
I agree.
Again, well said.

I just disagree with the too usual
>Someone is doing evil! I'll stab him to death!
Regardless of the rest of conditions and context.

10/10 would join party.

>>53100078
Retribution starts where the law has failed.

No one deserves anything. Not death or mercy.

>>53090606
>killed fellow players just to steal petty shit from them and did it once over a single gold coin because he didn't like that he lost a bet and had to pay up
Please tell me you meant to write "player characters"

>>53090606
You sound like one of those wives who get hit by her husband and then say "b-but he is nice and a good father whenever he isn't trying to choke me to death".

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>>53100145
how are you too stupid to see the exact points you contradicted yourself (every single point you made)

let’s start from the beginning, lets continue the green text format to keep things short

>The act of taking a life is never inherently evil, nor needs be a last resource.
>person is implying that some people can be killed without the act being considered evil
>you reply with an image basically saying the EXACT SAME SHIT the person you are replying to said and then disagreed with his statement
>the post says that killing an evil creature to stop it from doing further harm is not an evil act.
>for this to exist in your post disagreeing with the person you replied to you MUST think that raping a child isn't evil, not have read what you posted or be legitimately retarded (I know retarded is over used online but no seriously you'd have to be a retard to have that level of double think
>I call you out for thinking raping children isn't evil
>you said you didn't say that, despite it being implied in your post
>I highlight that your image said killing an evil person to stop their evil isn't evil and that the only way for your argument to fit your source is for you to believe that raping children isn't evil
>you then go full retard and post
>"Hey, here is a case of taking a life that's evil." again reinforcing the fact that you think a child rapist isn't evil and that killing a child rapist IS evil

So we know for certain you are in fact retarded, what I want to know is if you are a retarded paedophile.
either way I hope a paladin smite you down with a greatsword.

>>53100164
The purpose of law, whether written or unwritten, is to discourage something (and to determine proper punishment for lawbreakers), because it cannot prevent someone from doing something as it's only letters on parchment or knowledge in words. It would be foolish to believe that the law being unable to prevent crimes 100% of the time means it has failed.
((Well, unless it's a magically-enforced pact, but that's another thing))

>No one deserves anything.
You dense motherfucker. Crimes being given a proportionate punishment is the pragmatic application of the law of cause and effect, and the basis of justice.
It is obvious that he who tries to redeem himself deserves redemption where one who falls further into evil does not deserve redemption. Because an action means a natural consequence, since understanding that actions have consequences is a basic capability of an intelligent being. And this is the basis of the social contract.

>>53100309
So what do you call it when the law doesnt stop a person from doing something and we have to take them out of society by means of death? At that point, society fails to constructively deal with this problem. We decide that the rights of the many are more important than the rights of this one criminal and we remove them.

Second paragraph means nothing. No one deserves anything. Crime and punishment are by no means natural consequences. They're like literally the opposit of natural consequences. This can be plainly observed by seeing how different laws are allover the world. They're just procedures we agree upon.

>>53089921
>“The Sun”.
lel

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>>53100291
Ok, since this seems to be an honest misunderstanding and I don't want people to think i go to /pfg/, I'll apologize, but will continue on the greentext.

>The act of taking a life is never inherently evil, nor needs be a last resource.
>Person implies something that is not taken into account and thus is not quoted
>I reply with an image saying seems to agree with what the non quoted and disregarded part of the post said, while saying that the last line, on its own, it's false in the context of D&D.
>You weave a narrative fully disconnected from what actually happened:
>My post says that killing an evil creature to stop it from doing further harm is not an evil act.
>As this is part of my post, you think means I disagree with the whole post I replied to, so you think that I think that raping a child isn't evil, or that I have not read what I posted, and fully sperg out.
>I get "called out" for thinking raping children isn't evil, and don't reply.
>Some one else says I didn't say that and that. meaning that someone else did understand me, despite whatever implications you read.
>You highlight that my image said killing an evil person to stop their evil isn't evil, and then, pull an argument from somewhere and attribute it to me, and say that the only way for that argument to fit the snippet from the BoVD is for me to believe that raping children isn't evil
>I have to scroll up to see who is >53099825, since my post was >>53099725.
>I find this whole thing funny and try to correct it while laughing at the dumbness of the whole thing, so I imitate your post down to the (You) denial and a dumb image.
>"Hey, here is a case of taking a life that's evil.", I post, and you once again refer to the invented narrative in which I think a child rapist isn't evil and that killing a child rapist IS evil.


So, sorry, but you really need to stop thinking the very worst of people.
Have a sad kitten, sorry for this mess and the partial derail of the thread.

>>53089923
>>53090114
I had a friend like this. She's still a friend, she just stopped being so obnoxious a while after she hit 20. I stopped associating with her for a while in between there, though.

>>53090418
>big dick daddy with the candy cane nutsack
thanks for the new steam name, fella

>>53094747
uh, no, not really?

A staple I seem to run across every so often which can be summed up in four words:
Well In My Setting.....

So far the golden ones I came across have been "The Dwarves Are Evil" "Gods Can't Be This Strong" and "It's Like Dark Sun, But With Strawmen"

I'll go about writing about these in a minute.

>>53097270
Rape was punished with executions back in the day.

>>53101108
So The Dwarves Are Evil

High fantasy setting (DnD 5e) where things are left ambiguous so that things can grow along with the players, open world, one goal blah blah the whole shebang with the caveat that the GM had the final say on things, meaning we couldn't just say X is cannon without his consent. Party was Fighter, two Druids, monk and ranger. Druids were in a constant yelling competition on about Flora vs. Fauna on the natural order, monk monked, I was the fighter who tagged along with the party because the monk was his friend and the ranger was a racist. That was just about his whole character. The character had an unexplained hatred of dwarves that he did his best to showcase all the time. Dwarf merchants were roughed up, dwarf adventurer corpses were desecrated even further and the dwarf kingdom of Dwarf Mountain was his biggest target of hatred, going as far and threatening any dwarf we came across with death if they were from Dwarf Kingdom. Every time the party asked for the reason of the hatred he just said IC "None of your business" or "You should know". Things eventually got out of hand when he tried to coax the rest of the party to go out of our way to ambush dwarf caravans coming out of Dwarf Kingdom. We just assumed that this was random murderhoboing and he had a hard on for dwarf murder, we rebuffed this by asking a reason why we would go out of our way to attack innocent merchants. He then went on a long and admittedly good, if not misplaced and misused, speech about the horrors Dwarf Kingdom had committed, how they were cannibals and worshiped demons or something. The GM then raised his eyebrows and said "Didn't I tell you that that wasn't cannon when you submitted that to me? Especially since you didn't even ask the others". "Well In My Setting" speech began, summed up in "I don't trust the other players to see my genius" and "It should be so, for is it not OUR setting?"
cont.

>>53100218
Quality post

>>53093781
>DnD
>healer
Serves you right, you fucking moron. Clerics are better paladins than the paladin.

>>53098081
>DnD
>DM is hard-line christian conservative
fake

>>53101358
The GM trying to save the game said that we would stop the session there and that we would for the next hour or so go through in detail about things in the setting. The rest of us felt a little annoyed, but for the sake of the game I was on board, druids decided to go since they had no interest in world building and trusted the rest of us do the job and monk was fine with it too. That Guy then went on about how the dwarves should be evil and despite it having thought put into it, there were some odd choices and clearly biased points about the race. Every time we tried to say "Yes, but what if it was like this instead" or "No, that doesn't sound good" he would just say that we didn't understand the point of it or with a snarky "Well you come up with a better idea/ Can't you come up with anything better". This got annoying fast and the GM ended up scrapping the campaign for something from older DnD settings. That Guy got his evil dwraves in the duergar, but his attitude ended up getting him kicked for good.

Some time later the GM had found out that That Guy had been trying to get the druids leave by smack talking the GM behind his back and then went to potential new players and did the same thing. The GM then went on a hiatus for a few months because he didn't want to deal with the guy. That guy moved out of town due to his studies coming to an end and we got back to the campaign, but the GM for that whole time was visible more depressed than usual.

>>53091130
>Turns out he was smoking alt-right memes.
I laughed.

>>53099572
Some shitheads are not worth saving

>>53099512
Wow yea that sounds real af

>>53094519
>I've seen you around in other That Guy threads
Man that fucking Anonymous(Sat), he always fucking with me too senpai

>>53096511
You'd be surprised. People get invested in this stuff.

I had a player who's edgy character got caught being edgy by the wrong PC. After a session of shenanigans (which ended up being pretty fun actually) he ended up getting hung for murder, despite all my attempts to get him back on track.

The player seemed defeated but accepting of the whole situation, but after the session he emailed me what basically amounted to his revenge fantasy and plans to enact it. He wasn't That Guy, and it didn't involve much bullshit but you could tell he wrote that email in a very salty state.

>>53099982

Use of Blood Magic in SR carries a huge bounty. The Draco Foundation pays top nuyen for capturing or killing Blood Mages, and doesn't look kindly on their associates either.

This makes it a *TERRIBLE* choice for any PC. Their fellow criminals now have every incentive to kill this character or turn them in. Even if they don't, it still makes everything more dangerous for the Blood Mage PC because they can't risk being found out. It's bad news and literally only edgelord idiots go for it. Exactly the same applies to toxic shamams. Edgelord bait that's a liability to the entire team.

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>>53090418
>>that one guy who played a human barbarian named "big dick daddy with the candy cane nutsack" who killed his whole tribe except the women whom he raped

>>53100251
>what happens in my game of pretending to be elves is more important that out-of-game friendships

Your autism levels are off the charts.

>>53102372
Game of pretend doesn't cut it when someone gets punched.

>>53102372
>hanging out with a dude who will throw punches or destroy furniture over a game
No thanks

>>53102372
You see, that's the problem. You are acting as if the guy had two personalities and the way he behaves when he is playing DnD is completely separate from his usual personality which isn't.
If the guy is fucked up enough to get so angry and violent over fucking DnD then he isn't a "great" dude, he is someone who clearly has issues and you should get him deal with them instead of just going "haha typical Jeff" or pretending what he is doing is fine because he only does it in certain circunstances.
Again, you are like a woman pretending your husband is a nice guy whenever he isn't beating the shit out of you, which is dellusional as shit.

>>53102325

>Even if they don't, it still makes everything more dangerous for the Blood Mage PC because they can't risk being found out. It's bad news and literally only edgelord idiots go for it.

Well, there is 1 exception to that (And even then it relies on stuff from a book that was cancelled due to house renovations, high magic). Blood Magic + Cybermancy can be used to cure HMHVV. You yank the spirit out of the body, cure the HMHVV with blood magic and shove it back in. The body will recover in time now that the spirit is fixed.

>>53102429
*you should help him deal with them

>>53094519
>Why are you visiting these threads if they're just gonna remind you of that time you sperged out over a game?

Literally what are you going on about? Is this some armchair psychology shit or something?

>>53102409
>not punching people over pnp

Cuck.

>>53102414
>not accepting the cost of doing business

Poorfag.

>>53102429
>implying I'm the guy who posted the story
>implying anyone who loses their temper ever is automatically the same as a habitual waifu beater

KYS. :)))))

>>53089923
>>53091085
Women literally do not understand the male psyche. They have a vague concept of it based on the way men act when a woman (preferably attractive) is nearby and what they are being told by their social circles. This is why women behave so weirdly when they partake in a male hobby. Most women have not interacted with a man that did not want to fuck her for any length of time, hence they get their information about male social behaviour from the media, and remind me again of the last time men were portrayed positively in mainstream media. At best you have plenty of shows that portray them as nothing but sex crazed maniacs, gross and incompetent fathers, or disgusting and autistic nerds.

It's similar to someone who has never seen a black person in their entire life joining a ttrpg group of entirely black people and talking about basketball, gangsta rap, drugs, hoes, and fried chicken the entire time, because they think that those things are of interest to all blacks.

>>53090114
It sounds like you should kick her honestly, unless the other players finds it fine or she has some redeeming quality. Or if there isn't a single other potential player around, idk. But don't put up with bad players.

>>53101435
>Play in a hut classroom at school.

Dunno man, there are a lot of Christian schools in sub Saharan Africa, and there was a dude on /tg/ a year or two ago asking about running D&D and if it was really satanic and shit.

This could be one of his students, or just someone with a good memory making shit up.

>>53102590

Found the MGTOW.

>>>/r9k/

>>53098081

pffffffffffffffffft

>>53102325
There is literally an entire country run by people who use blood magic, it isn't something super-hard to acquire. You can always play in areas where the likes of Aztechnology reign supreme.

>le bounty

Motherfucker there is a whole nation where Blood Magic is legal directly to the south, hiding out would not be difficult.

>>53103013
>>le bounty
A bounty of a million at minimum

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>>53099264

>havin a drink w/ one of my players when i explain in depth how mass rape and eugenics for the purpose of increasing the war-readiness of ones' species would affect the ratios of various half-races:pure breeds in a fantasy society

>he leaves

what a faggot

>>53090820
I'm still stuck in that pit and feel so out of place in every game when my character is the only serious one with an involved story and with a cultural/religious background influencing their manner of speech, mannerisms and dress.

The majority of players I've been grouped up with either were not invested in their characters (character has no motivations), or tried to be the next /tg/ memelord. Examples include 8 Wis 18 Int elf girl who literally acted like a downy without a wrangler, just running off at random and bullshitting, justifying it with "LOL NO WIS, SHE DOESN'T KNOW BETTER XDDD", and a quiet old man monster hunter that wields a man-sized meat tenderizer. I also have plenty of players whose characters spout memes IC and behave utterly unbefitting of their origin and situation, such as anime elves.

I got two.
First off is a That DM story and kind of short.
>LGS has a big 24 hour gaming night yearly
>one person is running a 5e demo using the early D&DNext ruleset
>the demo's the Tomb of Horrors
>knowing what the Tomb has to offer, my buddy and I make sure to grab all the standard dungeon exploring gear
>buddy is using his ten foot pole in the first hallway, the one with the fallaway tiles, to check for traps
>buddy discovers one by poking with his pole and That DM says he has to save or fall
>buddy passes his save
>happens again three more times
Because, you know, don't reward planning and using tools. Just treat it like falling into the trap.

And next up is the first case of That Guy I ever came across. This is the tale of...Gank Kid.
>way back in the summer of 2004
>friends and I have all mostly graduated high school and this new setting drops
>Eberron
>cue the best campaign we've had, even up to now
>a few months in, though, one friend brings a couple friends along.
>a couple kids, a year younger than the rest of us, that we've never met
>one is almost immediately recognizable as a soon to be problem
>loud, obnoxious, attention seeking
>and worst of all yelled loud and quickly whenever he wanted to get his hands on something ingame
>always did this over the top overhead snatching motion
>while loudly exclaiming "GANK" in that voice that you hear from stereotypical frat bros
>just constantly "GANK"
>"GANK"

>>53103655
lmao what a fucking weirdo

>>53101358
Bretty good story. I'd like to hear the others

>>53101435
>>53102762
Based on him calling it "maths," I'm assuming he's British, and by hut classroom I think he means a classroom by itself separated from the school building. The "Dungeons and Dragons is Satanic" thing was mostly a US phenomenon based around the whole Jack Chick/Jerry Falwell holy roller movement in the 80s, I don't think they had an issue with it in Britain or other parts of the world, at least not to the degree in America at the time.

>>53090200
>Made the standard one punch man adept build, yet complained when we were fighting enemies with guns.

I had a really weird experience with a I played like this.

DM made some homebrew zombie apocalypse system that I ended up rolling a Luchadore for(not intentionally, that was the career I rolled for him). One of the two quirks I rolled for him was "Doesn't believe in guns." (Alongside "Likes cats" so he was from then on dubbed El Gato)

Obviously he meant this is as "Doesn't believe in the USE of guns" but I was feeling silly and played it as written: He thought guns were nonexistant and a completely fictional concept, basically a meme.

He ended up never getting shot a single time. Not for lack of trying. He would just run up and sock people in the face, bullets whizzing past him. No one could roll to shoot this guy to save their lives. The most dangerous chance was when I failed to punch someone with an automatic rifle....who's gun jammed when he tried to use it.

He finally died to a swarm of zombies he stood back to hold it from destroying the party's escape vehicle that was having issues. One member of the party gave him a spare rifle after failing to convince him not to sacrifice himself to save them. He just used it as a club to beat zombies to death with. Ended up taking out about...14 zombies I believe before he finally fell.

I want more stories

I'm an overly new player, me and my group are also in mid campaing but holy shit, I can fairly see who's "that guy" and who's "this guy" in my table.

"That guy" :
>shows up once in a month
>always trying to deny the encounter, giving X reasons
>plays as a drunk dwarf
>always get fairly away from the fight, behind the rogue with a bow even though he's a WARRIOR with a shield.
>due to him be missing so much, "this guy" who entered one and a half months after we started is already one level above him. (He's fucking level 1 btw)

"This guy" :
>totally new player who we never saw before, introduced by "that guy"
>entered the game as a barbarian, somewhat found the house we where gathering in one of those sessions where "that guy" didn't came
>day one already became bow's rogue bro
>in one of the lastests sessions these two (our guy and bow rogue) maded the mistake of starting a fight against an eldritch abomination on deep waters
>both gone unconscious and I was left out of bolts for my crossbow and thus throwed a grenade
>saved "this guy" but bow rogue died in the explosion
>end of the dungeon we find a chest and a scroll
>while I go for the chest "this guy" reads the scroll
>gm tells him to throw dice
>nat 20
>"a dark red star shines upon you, you feel like you should make a wish"
>"I want bowguy to be alive"
>loses permanently 10hp but wish granted
>mfw I get labeled the villain still even after my character was shreding tears of happiness

>>53104240
So what did "This Guy" do wrong? I see nothimg weird with anything he did unless he went full autism acusing you of being a villain.

>>53100218

Yeah, I fucked up there. I mean he killed people in game. I just wrote about him punching a dude earlier in the post and mixed it up.

>>53104295
He did nothing wrong. As I said I'm a rather new player and this is my first campaign that isn't a oneshot. I'm just making the comparison of two players who are curently playing on my same table at the moment. And holy hell they are polars.
My character also gets to be a fucking asshole, but not enough to be considered edgy

>>53091489
Please tell me this is bait. If anyone ever wanted to switch off 5e for something a little more depthy that makes sense but 3.5 is basically just 5th that takes twice as long and has almost nothing to show for it. There's a dozen games that have done 3.5 but better. Seriously man you can't just go on the internet and say these things you'll hurt people's feelings.

>>53089679
>One player just does whatever the fuck he wants, no consideration for consequences.
>Always the reason for plans never working
>One GM will punish the party for even making plans.
>1 minute of discussion? Let's just magic in a horde of enemies to pick up the pace
>One player constantly complains about everything but does nothing in game.
>He is both 'read as written' and 'as implied' depending on which is more annoying at the time it seems
>One GM memes all the time.
>One player gets made at me when I act according to the setting.
>We may be warriors of a caste system, but I'm still an asshole when I even suggest we kill an untouchable for literally insulting us.
>I actually have to argue that I'm rping, and I don't agree with those morals irl.
>I suggested one day that if we took the game a little more seriously, we might get a bit more invested.
>They argue they'd never enjoy the games without a 'little' comedy relief

So really, I'm That Guy. I've wanted to GM for them, but whenever I really think about it, I always recall the above shit and remember they'd hate the campaigns I'd want run.

>>53102590
>talking about basketball, gangsta rap, drugs, hoes, and fried chicken the entire time, because they think that those things are of interest to all blacks.
but... they are.

o_O

>>53104412
They're relating something dumb That Guy said.

>>53099512
In the real world the DM would make her immune to detect evil, assuming she was even "evil enough" to have an evil alignment.

>>53093781
I thought it was role-playing? Can't you choose to be a coward without meta fags ragging on you?

>>53104946
>happy and excited he managed to get his character out with all his stuff
Sounds like the healer was metagaming, not roleplaying.

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>>53099264
Ok this might be bait, but I've met plenty of people who genuinely think this way so I'll address it anyway. While this kind of thing is historically accurate and makes perfect sense, very few people will value that fact. If you're putting rape into your narrative that's an active choice on your part. Justify it all you want, bottom line is the thought of making half-orcs rape babies went through your mind and into your setting when it could've functioned fine without it. If you don't properly establish the "realistic" grittiness of a setting beforehand chances are people are going to think it'll get into some weird magical realm shit if they happen to lose to some orcs which is gonna make them uncomfortable. Either way fantastic impression of a "that guy" right down to the not confronting the person or making any effort to change, 10/10 triggered me fren

>>53104584
Too many of my DM's sessions revolve around him trying to be funny. Abandoning plot for throwaway jokes sucks.

Got in an argument that I had to back down from because he decided that my character that specializes in mounted combat forgot how to ride his mount.

>>53105111
I literally see no reason to keep rape out of your setting if it makes sense and is historically accurate aside from not wanting to trigger some faggot.
As long as this is just one aspect of your setting and you don't shove rape once every two turns, it's fucking retarded to completely avoid the topic because someone might feel uncomfortable.
Yeah, people get raped, killed, tortured, etc and a setting being less realistic doesn't mean that shit shouldn't happen. If you want, you might as well limit yourself to roleplaying in the fucking MLP universe.
Granted, most DMs seem to be uncapable of bringing up rape without going full edgy or magical realm, but that's a different matter.

>>53095707
Do people not just ban charisma Rolls on other players? Why wouldn't you? What's to stop the high charisma guy from just dictating what every player does?

>>53093370
Most of the worst cases are just sovial outcasts. The new brand of that guy might be worse to deal with but theyre more edgr cases than anything from my experience

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>>53105188
I agree if putting it in if it makes sense. Gritty settings exist and it can work in your favour to set a tone or in some cases add to the pace of a narrative (for example giving real motivation to speed up a rescue.) What I'm saying is that it is after all a narrative, and putting rape elements in is a decision by the narrator. You should really be looking for a reason to put it in rather than one to keep it out. The justification of historical accuracy is negligible because it's a fantasy and no such history exists until you create it unless, again, you're creating a historically realistic game. Furthermore, you can also leave it as an implied element. If rape or indeed sex in general adds nothing to the game and the players have no intention to touch on it you can ignore it or leave it behind closed doors. If you're insisting on making that an element and it makes your players uncomfortable that is either edgy or magical realm depending on your depiction.

Bottom line as long as you actually talk to your players and create a setting they'll enjoy it's all good. If they're gonna get triggered by sexual shit you either need to change or just need to tell them you won't change and they should probably leave beforehand.

>>53090533

You suck on candy canes, and I assume he meant the same with his nutsack?

>>53100218
>Please tell me you meant to write "player characters"
I mean, sure, actually killing other players is way out of line, but when he's not role-gaming, he's apparently a pretty cool guy. So it all evens out.

>>53093818
That's because everyone thinks of pickpocketing like skyrim.
No fucking finesse, just "Lol, I rolled 20, gib me l00t"

>Be me, Gnome Rogue
>Get to town, town crier shouting some shit
>"Hey buddy what's going on?"
>Dumbass is all cheerful and shit someone is listening to him
>While probing him for info and work during a walk I steal 20 gold out of his coin purse because I stay close and act buddy buddy with him
>Talk to this guy a few more times and he's never the wiser of my theft

Pickpockets aren't crouch low, stealth, and stick your hand in their pants bullshit, that's just popular media affecting how people think they should roleplay.

>>53103940
I learned something new today.
Thanks!

>>53089937
You have to be 18 to use this site. Come back in ten years when you're that old and hopefully you'll have better tales

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I'm not sure if my sunday game is filled with bad players or not, /tg/

>We're a bunch of college students
> Four players, joined shortly later by a high schooler
>Player 1, me, is playing the Half Orc Son of a Half Orc Duke of a tradiing city-. Played as being genuinely noble and kind, but also with immense amounts of self control and responsibility due to having had to fight off Gruumsh's influence since he was a child

>Player 2 is where things get bad: Elven thief, who's player says that since he's 20 that his elf is the equivalent of a human child. Consistently tries to undermine the party and claim leadership and steal things from everyone while constantly doing lulrandom child things.

>Player 3 is a Tiefling Bard, our healer/face.Consistently more interested in her stated goal of fucking a dragon than going after the party goal, is only coming along with the party because we keep her safe when the kingdom is in a state of civil war caused by the king declaring genocide on all Tieflings and the Fighter's father saying "Fuck That Noise". Insisted we keep a white dragon egg we found, so now has a White Dragon she's trying to raise to be her husband.

>The High Schooler previously played a lul random cleric who would show up, steal our magic items, get involved in combat, and then run away and dissapear for a few sessions before reappearing. We got tired of that and now he's playing a Kenku Monk who speaks like Bumblebee from the Bayformers movies.

>>Player 2 is mad at me because while he was like "I'm not helping anyone who ever needs our help", my Fighter was like "I will help these people and go above and beyond the call of duty." These actions led directly to Player 2 nearly being mauled to death by wolves and My character getting a +5 Magic Sword as a quest reward. Player 2 still constantly attempts to lead the party and make our decisions for us.

>>53105705
Sorry I am not a Pulitzer prize winning author

>>53089679
>literally the only THAT GUY stories I have are from lewd RPs on f-list

I mean it is a given that people there would be social autists but man you wouldn't believe the shit going down there.

>>53105870
How do you feel about Snakegirls and Bitchbreaker Futanari?

>>53105870
>f-list RP
Anon, please, you don't have to mention those.

>>53089679
I feel your pain anon. I currently have a "That Guy" in my 5e Ravenloft game.

>Character is a rogue (Arcane Trickster), with the actor feat.
>Spends every session either trying to steal shit from everyone, Trying to play prince of persia on every surface available, or become the darkness.
>Every session uses illusion spells to impersonate strahd, and constantly goes on about how he has then "ACTOR" feat, "So I can totally do this"
>Got super pissed when another player even suggested they wanted to play a rogue at the table "because im already playing a rogue, there can't be two rogues in a group!"
>Constantly goes off on his own, in the wilderness, and in town.
>Gets super mad when he can't be the center of attention and do all the cool things.

I really want to slam his head into a brick wall multiple times. He's a tool in game and out of it. And he treats one of the newest players, who also is his gf currently, like a total piece of shit.

I keep nudging the DM to bring the full brunt of ravenloft against him for his stupid shit in game, but the DM is new so I'm trying to give him time, but I don't know how much more I can take anons.

>>53093712
Sounds like you are THAT GUY that tries to deflect from being THAT GUY yourself.

5e game
>Fighter min-max so they have high AC
>Zero reasoning for backstory and uses noblemen as catch all with basic CHA
>attacks things randomly without cause or knowning whats happening
>runs into crowds of enemies knowing they can get enough attack to hit them.
>Goes down then bitches that DM isn't attacking other characters that joined in 2 rounds later.
>complains that the game is unfair and should be more like skyrim

>>53105722
Player 2 is That Guy, if High Schooler guy does better playing a monk then you should be fine. Player 3 sounds like she's not RPing so hard as to not contribute to the group.

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>>53093601
>>53093712
>>53106067

>In middle of desert
>Giant Airship fight up above the clouds
>Fight our way past air elementals and dust mephits
>Gather inside a sunken temple in the sand
>Group of wizards casting some ritual
>Other group of warriors rush past us to try and kill the wizards
>Everyone's ignoring us
>Warlock has the genius idea to stab one of the warriors and runs to the corner with his Ranger friend
>"OH BY THE WAY I HAVE TO GO NOW"
>DM continues to play through, its now 3 vs a group of Gith Fighters intended for a 5 man crew
We literally spent the next 2 hours cleaning up his shit. DM tried to send in some helper NPCs, but thankfully the ones who remained rolled really well so it wasn't necessary. This isn't the first time Warlock did this, but looks like it was the last. That was 4 weeks ago and we've been 3-man since. Oddly enough, the game's been a lot more fun without the Chaotic-Stupid players.

Can't wait for their replacements.

>>53089679
>Barbarian starts playing with the corpse, trying to entertain people for no reason and no gain
Entertainment is its own reward.

>>53102429
>the way he behaves when he is playing DnD is completely separate from his usual personality which isn't.
Do you know him?

>>53096511
Count yourself lucky.

>big ego and overinvestment
These are the people who live vicariously through their character. They see things that happen to the character as direct insults to themselves, and if they don't get enough of the spotlight (hint: it's all of it) they complain and act out. When their character is disadvantaged, they complain and cry out.

They don't always try to kill other PC's, but they will almost always bitch and moan about being underpowered when they aren't (in fact, they're more likely than not to be minmaxed or have some other meta advantage), they will interrupt play when their character isn't the centre of attention, and they will get emotionally distraught over things that happen in the game. But only to their character. Conversely, they fail to see the other PC's as full characters. It's the core of That Guyism: Treating the rest of the table as extra's to their own fun.

>ruined by shitty experience
I noticed this in a bro's gf, who offhandedly remarked as I said my character (a barbarian from the plains) was nervous about going into a cave for the first time in her life "my DM would rule that you're now claustrophobic", meaning that you'd have to roll to not go into a blind panic in any closed space. Because I mentioned my character was kind of nervous.

There are people out there who have legit never played the game in any other way, with dickbag DM's who take all their pointers from Zero Charisma. Then they get into other games, and they think murderhoboing is the norm because it's the DM's job to look for creative ways to fuck over his players, right?

And very often, these two go hand-in-hand.

>>53107266
What does that have to do with anything? The guy I replied to gave a pretty clear description of the guy so no, I don't know him and I don't need to to realize that there is something fucked up about the way he behaves.

>>53105111
Thing is, though. He ain't wrong. Orcs are completely intended as the raping, pillaging lunatics we are supposed to kill because they're raping, pillaging lunatics.

There's a reason I always make my Orcs pseudo-Mongolians. Mongolians were raping, pillaging lunatics who treated both as a way of life.

You don't need to dwell on it in a campaign to have it be part of the logical background. Why the hell else would we kill truckloads of Orcs if they weren't actually Evil bastards, but just calm pastoralists looking for new grounds for their herds? You just mention is offhand, like "there is a conspicuous number of Half-Orcs in this settlement, and they seem much less shunned than in other towns" and then the party learns they're there to finally stop all the fucking Orc raping and pillaging.

Granted, the dude seems like an autist who can't read when he's making others uncomfortable, but his central point makes enough sense. And the setting itself basically says "Half-Orcs are rape babies", so it's not something you can dance around when talking about Half-Orcs.

Of course, this implication is exactly why I don't like Half-Orcs, and I'd much rather they be Boarmen or something else that doesn't force me to incorporate rape logic into my setting.

>>53102590
>I am a virgin

Every woman wants male attention more than anything. When men are absorbed by some nerdy hobby, a woman feels insecure and needs to compete for their attention. Hence, outbursts and innuendo. Their sexuality is their easiest selling point

If a girl is ugly, she will instead learn what men want and use other methods to get their attention

>>53091130
Alt-Right memes in the hands of a beta (ie. all of /tg/) are dangerous.

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>>53097270
Yes, rehabilitating the rapist is a LG action.
But you neglect the influence of his chosen class;
He is a paladin, and thus oath-sworn to live, die, and deliver his god's justice BY THE SWORD
DEUS VULT

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>>53103330
are you actually offended by what he wrote or just goofing? because if you're serious you're an ass.

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>>53097270

>>53090606
I know you're still reading this, so I'm telling you the same shit you've been told already: He's not a "great guy". He's a cockgobbler first class, because he fucking punches people and destroys furniture over a fucking game. And not only that, but it's minor shit. He punches people who make jokes. So when he kills your PC, what are you allowed to do to him? Brain him in the skull with a baseball bat? Admittedly, it'd make the world a better place in that case, but is that how you want your every roleplaying experience to be like?

This guy sounds like the typical example of a cunt who rules his group of friends through anger. I used to hang out with a similar kind of guy. Used to. Because once I got him out of our regular group of friends, and in my RPG group, I saw what a disfunctional piece of shit he was. Every fucking time minor shit didn't go his way he'd get angry, and he'd stay angry until the matter was resolved. My other friends facilitated this by just giving in every time.

Except that shit doesn't work on this group. We don't go "haha, typical Jeff" when someone acts like a cunt. We tell them they're being a cunt. And this motherfucker was insanely scrawny, so he wasn't about to punch people. Talked about it all the fucking time, though.

Aside from the physical violence it's obvious this guy ruins every game he's in. If he's such a great guy everywhere but in the game, don't play the game with him. Tell him he's out because of his shitty behaviour. And then we'll see if he's still a great guy out of the game. I'd wager he isn't.

>>53105061
Are you retarded? Why wouldn't he be glad that he got away alive when the rest of his party died?

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>>53090606
>the dude is awesome
>flipped over the table
>actually punched a player
>kills fellow PCs over petty shit

Why the fuck would you play with someone like that?

>>53101499
Your guy sounds like a dick from the worst kind.
Why did your GM not just kick him earlier?

>>53107269

That first part reminds me of a that guy I had in one of my games. He, the player and his character, threw a fit because a dragon egg hatched and didn't bond with his kobold. He went to his room, the apartment we were playing at was partially his, and he wouldn't talk to anyone the rest of the night.

He also always wanted to smoke and would not pay attention to the game because he was too high.

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>>53107460
Not him, but I reckon he's addressing that having an in-depth conversation about eugenics and mass rape (without condoning it, granted), and in the context of an escapist fantasy RPG catering to manchildren, can be seen as 'antisocial', to put it lightly.
Who knows. Maybe the guy who left is a rape-baby or someshit and it's a touchy topic for him - perhaps snowflaky, but less of a red flag than "HEY, GUY I HALF-KNOW THROUGH A TTRPG, LET ME VOICE MY OPINIONS ON EUGENICS AT YOU / FAGGOT, WHERE ARE YOU GOING"
Didn't mama ever tell you, religion and politics do not make polite conversation, Anon. Tack rape and eugenics onto that list.

>>53099264
/pol/ is leaking

>>53089679
I'd just be drinking if I were a member of that party, too. I'm not sure I'd ever stop.

>>53089679
>"ah I guess I'm just drinking lol"
Classic [fourth player], he's always such a card!