Age of Sigmar General /aosg/

So worth using the Everchosen in a DOT to get the double 6 roll with destiny dice?

>>53088413
>worth
Not really. Better off spending all those points on skyfires and just shooting whatever you wanted to roll 6s on. Neat combo though.

>>53088455
I think you can over do skyfires.

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MOONCLAN

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First for Grailcast

>>53088395
>Same abilities no longer stack
This is fair, and I'm saying this as a Portal of Skulls wielding Khorne player. The new wording suggests it doesn't stack.
>Points increase for all 9"+ shooting unit
Good, I hate this Fantasy shoot-em-up game we've got. I hope some restrictions get laid down to prevent units from shooting into and out of combat, too.
>Prayer is limited to rule of one
This is unfortunate but understandable.

>>53088413
The odds of getting it with 5 attacks are pretty good even with fixing a single die. I'd like to see him tried with treacherous bond and a bunch of brimstone horrors.

>>53088872
I just wanna do somthing that isn't just skyfires but might still do somthing in a tournie

>>53088699
If same name stuff no longer stacked why would you still need rule of one on spells. Its completely killing Nagash.

>>53088910
He will probably get a points reduction in GHB2

>>53088395
>Le epic foot slogging mele-- acckkk
*Gets cut down by an axe to the face*

Allegiance: Khorne

Leaders
Mighty Lord Of Khorne (140)
- Artefact: Mark of the Destroyer
Exalted Deathbringer (80)
- Ruinous Axe & Skullgouger
- Artefact: Mark of the Destroyer
Slaughterpriest (100)
- Bloodbathed Axe
- Blood Blessing: Bronzed Flesh
Wrath Of Khorne Bloodthirster (360)
- General
- Trait: Unrivalled Battelust
- Artefact: Mark of the slayer
Skullmaster, Herald of Khorne (100)
- Artefact: Harvester of Skulls

Battleline
5 x Blood Warriors (100)
- Goreaxes
5 x Blood Warriors (100)
- Goreaxes
5 x Blood Warriors (100)
- Goreaxes
30 x Bloodletters (300)
5 x Flesh Hounds (100)
- Khorne Daemon Battleline (Karanak General)
5 x Flesh Hounds (100)
- Khorne Daemon Battleline (Karanak General)

Units
5 x Skullreapers (140)
- Daemonblades
- 1x Soultearers
5 x Skullreapers (140)
- Goreslick Blades

Battalions
The Goretide (40)
Slaughterborn (80)
Murderhost (20)

Total: 2000/2000

Reposting:

>>53081779 #
If you're dead set on that particular red, try mixing a small amount of balthazar gold of leadbelcher into it to give it a metallic undertone or paint it as a non-metallic metal. The flat red paint makes it look like their armor is plastic or ceramic instead of metal.

>>53089192
Balthazar gold OR leadbelcher. Wish I had noticed that before I looked like an asshole.

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>still no full animated construct army using the Tomb King models
Why even live?

>>53088573
This, actually looks good.

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Progress on the dwarf steam mech. I'm going for a mid-stride pose.

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Do heroes generate skills for the first five levels they start my with in Hinterlands?

>>53088573
replacing the shoulder pads with some kind of robe and they would look way better than the original design

>>53088573
the middle one look like a chef

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>>53088573
I really love them, but I think this is one of the reason they have put away them, they use the same slot as SE of Uberkights in armor.

By the way, many people don't like the same mask on all tje SE, but I like the concept of the endless and fearless army; I hope one they give use back another army of "real" knight so we can use this concept too make them feel really different.

>>53090746
No

>>53088395
Do you think they will change the points to per model instead of per 10 or 20?

Are there any links to download the grand alliance books?

I've not played AoS before, but I have an old ogre kingdoms army sitting around that I feel like taking out for a spin.

>>53091550
>Are there any links to download the grand alliance books?
There are no link to the grand alliance books because there is no point.
It's just a collection of the single pdf you can have on the site or the app.
Also super-cheap.

>>53091601

Oh ok, so it's exactly what I'd get from the app? No extra allegiance traits or equipment or anything like that?

>>53091809
Nah, those came about with the Sylvaneth battletome.

There are one or two battalions in them, and that's it.

>check email
>"Buy some Skyniggers!"

Are you for real, GW?

Where does the strength from varanguard and chosen come from? They both seem pretty low damage (especially considering the formers points). I know chosen could at least get good with +wound buffs to make mortal wounds but I can't see any obvious sources for that

Old WHFB guy who wants ti give AoS a chance Here.

I was more upset at them scrapping the setting than the game itself but since Over a year as passed I am willing to give it a chance.

Which books are worth reading to try to get into the AOS fluff, with focus on world building preferably.So far I only read gates of azyr which left me with a meh feeling

Or should I just follow the official reading order and dont focus on anything?

>>53091916
Chosen marked Khorne get +1 to wound from a Lord on a Juggy. 10 of them with a banner then become quite dangerous, but you would never run that instead of Bloodletters.

Varanguard are just shitty, they were bad anyway but not being able to deploy them with a keyword kills any use they could ever have.

>>53091825
Actually the destruction one is JUST warscrolls and some minor fluff. Not a single thing else

>>53092034
Hammers of Sigmar is meant to be one of the better books and explores stormcast, I'm unsure on world building sides of it though. Imho a lot of the focus seems to be on race building instead, to reinforce how you can make a place somewhere for your dudes to exist, in which the battle tomes work well. Think the reading list covers most of that stuff with all the Gates books

>>53092108
Cheers, I'll look into the new khorne tome I think. Really like the idea of mortal chaos but it seems quite limited in terms of rend, mortal and range (much like most armies). Good defence mind with chaos warriors and such

>>53092288
New Khorne tome is sweet. Highly recommend it.

Are the old WHF factions viable to play still? I've got a lot of wood elves sitting about.

>>53092321
TK still has the firepower to match up well and win.

Steamtanks never get old.

>>53092321
Yes.

I still rape face with old dwarfs.

>>53092348
>>53092349

That's good to hear. I always enjoyed my wood elves and I was hoping to give them another showing.

>>53092373
a guy won adepticon with mixed order, used 3 waywatcher lords

>>53092264
OK thanks.

Any books where the old army factions appear? I used to play high elves so is there anything featuring aelve characters?

>>53088573
there're always the same problems: pauldrons are too flat, the abdominal plate and the chest piece aren't a single piece and the proportions are too wide

>>53092373
Most of the armies do well against each other, it's the new battletomes that seem to be on a different level. Sylvaneth v Tzeentch is equal enough, so is dwarves v death. Things get a bit hard when you take an old battletome against a post sylvaneth one

>>53092391
>proportions are too wide

Just like space marines...

Too wide and not tall enough.

>>53092401

Right, so even stormcast have issues with newer battletomes?

>>53092388
Aelves are quite secretive atm, the realms they're based in are closed off. Seems to be building towards a release at some point tied to slaanesh and the gods disappearance, but means lore is light so far.
I'd recommend downloading the sylvaneth tome from the mega and having a little read through the lore section to see how I guess a splinter group of the elves has evolved since the end times, it's interesting if you liked elves.
Only direct lore I know of is specific locations though, such as the spire of dawn and the two elves in silver tower, but doesn't tell you much

>>53092427
Stormcast just got a new one so they're doing alright. They'll always have a boon of unit variety helping them though. Generally unless someone brings a cutting edge list anything can be a close match.
Tbh I try to do narrative cause it's fun just bringing what you want / what fits your dudes lore, but I know lots of people don't like that (neither did I until I tried it). Guess it depends again on who you're playing with and how you balance scenarios

>>53092409
the space marines don't suffer nearly that much from it
not even terminators

the shape of their boots make the legs look slimmer while the pauldrons develop vertically instead of horizontally

>>53092461

Right: On a related topic - Which faction can run a ranged-focused force best? I like my wood elves but I imagine they won't be getting any new battle tomes any time soon so I might end up buying some new stuff as well.

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What are you all working on today? Show your progress AoSG

Painting up some revenants but I'm not happy at all with how the sprit side is coming out. Followed a YouTube tutorial and it just looks rough. Think that's the danger of darker washes over a light layer though

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>>53092616
i'm painting up a few stormfiends. Ther'es a lot of work to be done, mainly adding some final highlights to the red, giving some more depth to the skin , and ofcourse all the metallics and tubing.

>>53092616
>the not!elf is disgusted at the dwarfish weapon he's been converted to hold

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>>53092616
Diaz Seekers

5 done, I'm decoloring another 5 right now.

I'll need to convert 3 of them to be Alluress/Musician/Icon Bearer, which is going to be a pain, but in the end I'm going to have a full unit.

>>53092616
I need to finish my Treelord Ancient and Branchwraith.

Then I can focus on my Tree Revenants.

>>53092700
What's your full army look like now? I've seen you slowly post bits and bobs over the months but it'd be cool to see a big group of em together now

>>53092680
Fluffed my dudes around the ironbark battalion so thought I'd represent that on the models, hence the little runic trinkets on the wood body as well. Harder to make the dwarves look more sylvaneth though, so I'm chalking that up to dwarf stubbornness to change

>>53092611
This isn't all from personal experience but:
Freeguild, lots of shots and shielding units
Skaven, mortal wounds on big artillery and shielding units
Beast claw, mortal wounds from durable monsters
Tzeentch, spell flinging and mortal wounds. Survive through speed and spells
Wild orc thingy, hails of arrows from big unit groups. Survive through numbers
Dwarves are still dwarves
There's WAAC hybrid stuff like sylvaneth kurnoth with hurricane what ya call it, but they're the main shooting lists I remember. Wood elves surprisingly have better melee if I remember right from a few threads ago.

>>53092961
Seraphon can be pretty shooty as well. Bastiladon, Stegadon and Terradons can get shit done at range though not as consistently as others. They make up for this because DINOSAURS WEARING DINOSAURS RIDING DINOSAURS

I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE

WHERE IS NEW DEATH ARMY
WHERE IS NEW DEATH BATTLETOME

FUCK ORDER GETTING NEW SHIT ALL THE FUCKING TIME FUCK FUCK FUCK

>>53093019
You take your 4th week of sky dwarves and enjoy it

>>53093062
>Sky dwarves got my girlfriend into AOS
>Just after I finally got my 40K army how I want it
Welp at least it stops me buying more chaos marine stuff I guess. We Dino's now

>>53092650
>leaving the brain-fetus-rat on
I never attached them because they look dumb.

>>53093005
>DINOSAURS WEARING DINOSAURS RIDING DINOSAURS
metal

>>53089768
No they don't, those helmets look awful on there.

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>>53093402
I disagree.
I bet you praise sigmar like a fagget.

>>53092611
Stormcast can be built heavy on dakka.

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>>53092806
Luckily I have the army with me (I usually left it at the LGS) because I'm in the middle of fixing the bases.

I'm glad you asked for a photo, I didn't think about making one but now it's nice to have one.

>>53093410
How can you like them? Barring the fact that they don't fit at all stylistically with the rest of the armour, the inferiority of the sculpt quality is just jarring.

It's be like putting a head made from play-doh on a classical sculpture.

>>53093430
Wonder if you can covert the vanguard raptors crossbows into muskets or something

>>53093453
>the old cow- KoS
Mah nigga that's awesome. Close up?

>Death player are dying for new stuff

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>>53093520
Thanks

ALL endrinRIGGERS must hang!

>>53092650
I've built my stormfieds how they are suppose to be but can I say they are all equipt with warpfire projectors?

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>>53093019
New Death player here.

Why is there atleast one all caps spewer about us in every thread? It's embarasing.

Work around problem instead of waiting for someone else to fix it, that was how WHFB worked, and as far as I've experienced, it's working fine in AoS aswell.

>>53092616
Almost done with bringing my old vampire counts army into AoS, just need to paint up my new more van hellsing style Varghiest. Really helps when you already got 120+ skelingtons sitting around.

>>53093534
Good stuff

>>53093554
This is the internet. Memes and shitposts are king here.

>>53093554
I WANT NEW FUCKING LORE AND ARMIES, NOT WAITING A MILLION FUCKING YEARS AFTER ORDER AND CHAOS GOT NEW FUCKING SHIT

Rules question of what to do with my old WHFB army:
I have two old islands of blood set, 10 white lions and 20 archers except prince on a griphons because I am pretty sure it was accidentally thrown away while moving places, so I can't field a proper guardians of the spire army.

Barring an legacy high elf army, I have the units to to field an whole Eldritch council army since my Blademasters count as battleline there. Does that mean I can only use the archmage and the blademastes and can't put in any other of my high elves in the army to count an eldritch council army?

Also how do I know if my spireguard(old lothern seaguards) can count as battline as I can't find the keyword in their scroll?

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Rate my list
Tomb king - general
Kemmler
Manfred on foot
Either one on Balewind vortex
Necromancer
6 x necropolis knights
9 x ushbati
3 x 10 zombies (battleline)
2 x screaming skull catapult
Buffed by
Necrotec
Manfred on vortex doing sniper work or reinforcing spells on ushbati and necro knights
Kemmler running back up reinforcing units/mystic sheild/healing.

>>53094032
Missing liche priest

>>53094032
>taking Manfred
Fuck that traitor.
Replace him with a wight king with black axe.

Any Seraphon players willing to post lists?

>>53093552
Idunno, i'd feel wrong doing it without them at least having some kind of semblance of warpfire-like projectors. But that depends on who you face. I'd personally be fine with you doing that.

>>53093383
I know what you mean. But i'm painting them for a friend, and he found the fetus rats to be funny, so here I am.

>>53093552
Nobody should care.
Worst case just paint the tips of all the weapons glowing green

>>53094085
Ah ok it's just I don't want to field them and then get told I can't do that.

>>53094096
What green would you recommend?

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>>53094042
Why is he a traitor? in the last book lord of undeath it shows his loyalty to Nagash. He did fuck end times tho

>>53094198
He was a traitor in Mortrarch of Night

>>53093453
That looks great, the old and new models add some nice variety too. Thanks, anon

Been working on my mortal / beast list and it naturally expanded to 1500. Some range, mortal wounds and flight on the chimera, with a big buffed bullgor blob up the middle to hopefully shred whatever. Thought since I had a spare 100 points at the end and needed a battleline I may as well go blood warriors to get some higher save models on there compared to reavers or marauders.
Thoughts?

Allegiance: Chaos
Chaos Sorcerer Lord (140)
- Mount: Steed
- Runestaff
- Artefact: Crown of Conquest
Doombull (120)
- General
- Great Axe
- Trait: Cunning Deceiver
5 x Chaos Knights (200)
- Chaos Glaives
10 x Chaos Warriors (180)
- Halberd & Shield
10 x Chaos Marauders (60)
- Axes & Shields
6 x Bullgors (360)
- Great Axes
5 x Blood Warriors (100)
- Goreaxe & Gorefist
1 x Chaos Gorebeast Chariots (100)
- Greatblade
- Mark of Chaos: None
Chimera (240)

Total: 1500/1500

>>53094244
Which turned out to be a ploy by Nagash to create uncertainty in Sigmar and the Stormcast, as revealed in Lord of Undeath.

>>53094337
>no mortal wounds other than the chimera

>>53093453
Nice army, but do you live in a brothel?

>>53094584
Not sure where else to get it from inside mortals (and or beasties). Was hoping the Knights and Bullgors -2 would suffice

>>53094750
It's a Slaanesh army. Where else would he live?

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>>53092616
Still slowly working on Alarielle, I'll get her finished one day.
being a slow painter is suffering

>>53094750
Because of the light or because I'm messy?

If it is for the light, I like the club effect colored neon do.
I have a few at home, while my bathroom is full LED.

>>53094947
The pink lighting and the pink leopard-print cup(?), most likely. Be honest, anon, are you a camgirl?

>>53094935
How've you managed the lighter skin layer? Medium and kislev over a Cadian base?

>>53095051
yea pretty much.
The skin is a base of mournfang brown
50/50 mix with cadian flesh
pure cadian
50/50 kislev mix
pure kislev
finally a little bit of white mixed in for the last highlights.
Also a massive amount of glaze medium

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>>53095021
Maybe.

Or maybe I'm just a guy too deep into the eighties and glam metal.

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>>53095091
And austrialian apparently

>>53095090
Which glaze do you use out of interest. I think I need to start mixing as well as using medium as my contrasts are still too sharp

>>53095119
I use Vallejo glaze medium, I love that stuff.

I was gifted a regiment of chaos warriors for my birthday, so now I'm thinking I want to get into age of sigmar. Should I get the start collecting Slaves to Darkness set to beef it up?

>>53094198
AoS takes place so far in the future and Mannfred is so broken he becomes the willing slave he was always afraid of turning into.

Shit, the End Times only happened because he hated Nagash more than the end of the world.

Nagash probably is the inevitable end of all things anyway.
Entropy & Death > Creation & Chaos

>>53095154
Absolutely.

It's a great box.

>>53095189

Alright cool! I'm trying to shoot for the 1500pts range so I'll probably get some more stuff down the line as I start slowly building and painting them up.

I'm debating if I should chose a specific chaos god theme for them or just undivided.

Are kingdom death minis too big to use as counts as stuff or conversions?

>>53095203
If you do not have an absolute favored God, you may choose to keep them undivided.

Since Slaves of Darkness are flexible, you could then collect different heroes for the specific gods, so you can change the playstile just by switching them.

In one game you could have a Lord of Khorne on Juggernaut and a Bloodsecrator, to play a more compact and symbiotic stile, and the game later you could take a Slaaneshi Lord on Daemonic Steed and have the most brutal cavalry charges you have even seen.

You can even just take relics and use the different allegiance abilities just by switching mark.

>>53095108
I understand the slaanesh collection now

>>53095203
>1500pts range
You may as well just take two of the Start Collecting.
Two Sorcerers are not that useful (still, not bad having them), but everything else is gold.

>>53092034
There arent many great worldbuilding novels yet because most of the narrative focused on the Realmgate Wars campaign

City of Secrets is pretty good though

I also really liked the fluff book they included with Warhammer Quest Shadows over Hammerhal, really fleshed out the common people living in the realms

>>53092321
Tomb Kings are one of the best armies in the game

Dwarfs, High Elves, Empire are all really good.

>>53094032
>necropolis knights
>without settra

why even bother

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>ywn be skilled enough to make a diorama that doubles as your army display that all the figs slot into on thier own gamesize bases

>>53095853
not with that attitude you won't

>>53093552
Sure, its not your fault they don't put three in the box.

>>53094584
Is it worth trying to incorporate a chaos Sorcerer Lord on manticore for extra mortal wounds? Seems like the model doesn't do much else outside its spell for 240 points

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>Blood knights no longer on the gamesworkshop store
Did soulblight get squatted?

>>53096441
anything that would have been squatted would have happened at the START of AoS like the empire cannon, TK etc.

New plastic bloodknight kit incoming

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>>53096441
could it be
plastic blood knights?

>>53096325
nah just take units from other gods or skaven

>>53092386

Not saying Wood elves are bad but at this point

>[literally who] won a tourney with [shit army]

is meaningless.

EVERY army must have won some tournament or placed highly by this stage AoS has been out long enought. Dont go down that route to determine if something is good or not.

>>53096603
>buying whats gud
>not what you think is cool

I never sell old armies for this reason. I was thinking about selling my brets years ago and now I'm happy I didn't.

>>53096631
I own more "bad but cool" units like Centaurs, Dragon ogres etc than "good" units my dude.

Just hate the "durr it won [X] so it's gud!" attitude

This is the same shit people say in 40k about Orkz all the time, insisting the codex is fine because some faggot scrubbed out a win at whogivesafuckcon

>>53094198

>Why is Manlet a traitor?

Have you read ANY of the old lore about him? The first line about him is backstabbing Vlad.

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>>53095183
>Nagash probably is the inevitable end of all things anyway.

That would be Archaon, thank you very much.

How should I convert an Ogre Butcher?

I'm making a tyrant out of the ironguts kit and the extra armour from the mournfang riders, but I'm totally drawing a blank on how to make a butcher.

what if there is a age of Sigmar end times?

>>53096959
You could get a minotaur, give it an ogre head and a meat cleaver and just sculpt and apron.

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>>53092386
wtf u talking about? Chaos was # 1

>>53096961
why would there be?

the point of the end times was changing a setting to remove its limits while still selling it for a last income from the nostalgic

there're little to no further temporal or spatial limits to break left and nobody cares enough about an end of this setting

>>53096946
Dear god what did they do the poor everchosen with that horrible "new" model...

>>53097182
the basic design itself is not that bad

but it gets completely ruined by the mount, the pose and the proportions

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>>53096554
>>53096575

Please

AoS a shit
Ulric > Sigmar

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>>53092616
Hellcannon. Just need to make a crew.

>>53097572
Ulric -> dead

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>>53097638
Converted from this.

>>53095853
That's actually something you can do!

Swing by the nearest DIY store (a lumberyard
is a little-known cheaper option for rural anons) and get a pretty decent amount of blue foam. Start fucking around with that, try cutting it, sanding it, etc and learn how to make interesting structural shapes. Create a shape to be your diorama's base, and then use plaster to create proper texture on top of that. The nice thing about plaster is that you can make the 'base holes' before it sets, and you can set pre-cast plaster stones in there. When that's done just build up like you're basing a very large model!

>>53094935
them legs.
chun li meets age of sigmar

How do you beat Aetherstrike with KO?

I need to kill his Raptors before they inflict critical damage but it seems impossible.

Cant charge him, the birds and judicators get in the way and when they die the raptors shoot for free.

Cant be aggressive with my zeppelins, they just get shot down before they get in range. Even with a double turn he just counter-charges with birds and forces me to kill them and then shoots for free.

Can't even shoot the fuckers. My squad of 20 thunderers with mortars and 3 Khemist buffs outranges the longstrikes but they dont do anything against protectors giving me -1 (or -2) to hit and the lantern of the tempest making me reroll hit6, then his raptors have a 2+ save because of the castellant buff and staunch defender.

>>53098093
You have to go first and deepstrike a fully loaded zilfin ironclad close enough to them to get 20 buffed thunderers with aethercannons firing into them. You can also load 12 riggers on it and they all shoot as well along with the ship itself. None of their buffs are up yet so theoretically unless his screens are perfect and he zones you out with bodies you should get at least 8 of them and force a battleshock test.

>>53098093
what are the requirements for the aetherstrike battalion?

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still patiently waiting for an Aelves release. Been like 2 years now and 3 of the most popular armies in the game have yet to get anything.

inb4 sylvaneth are Aelves
no they aren't

>>53098461
Like it or not they're filling a role that elves used to fill, the new elf inspired releases will be similar

>>53098349
>None of their buffs are up yet
Most of it is passive and does not require a turn to activate. Aetherstrike bonuses are always active, Protectors -1/-2 hit and artifact that makes me reroll hit6 are always active, Staunch Defender is always active.

Only thing that requires a turn is the castellants +1 save buff, and I dont think that will be significant enough to throw my entire army away on a deep strike maneuver.

With 20 thunderers (+3 attacks each) using mortars I did not do a single point of damage.

>unless his screens are perfect
His screening is always on point. I have to assume he won't make any simple mistakes like that.

If I deploy in reserve he deploys in a corner and waits for me to make my move. He has units like liberators in reserve that can teleport in and take objectives if I choose not to engage. If I engage him directly he wins that engagement every time.

It seems like its impossible to beat a good aetherstrike :/

>>53098442
2 Judicators, 2 Aetherwings, Azyros, Venator, 2 Raptors

Usually bring minimum size for every unit except the Raptors, where they take 1 squad of 3 and 1 squad of 9

>>53097645
Brilliant! Children's toys are often great bases for conversions, those plastic catapults with built-in springs to launch marbles can be easily repainted into generic field artillery for custom objectives, I find.

>>53098519
thanks wanted to know for a while now

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>>53098517
but Anon we already have two Shadow Aelves in game

>>53098654
>shadowaelvesforants.jpg

whats better longstrike or hurricane crossbows for the vanguard raptors?

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>>53098664
fixed for you

>>53098349
How do KO deep strike? I'm not that familiar with this faction

>>53098519
You need to go first and shoot them before they get inspiring presence and double lantern buffs, there is simply a big difference between 80 shots at -1 vs 3+ save and -1 reroll 6 vs 2+ save with mortars. One will kill 6-7 guys with the ship guns added on average and cause a battleshock test, the other bounces off and does nothing. If you kill most of the longstrikes riggers with buffs on their chainsaws can take apart everything else and you still have 9 skyhooks on companies.

>>53098711
Longstrikes do well against heavy armor targets or single model units. A unit of 3 LS does about 4 damage per salvo

Hurricanes do more against lighter armor targets (look for 5+ saves)

Longstrikes typically get more value and are easier to use, but theyre also a very high priority target for your enemy so dont expect them to live long

>>53098800
Zilfin gives you the ability to call in one ship one time.

>>53098929
Lantern artifact doesnt need to be activated, it is a passive effect. You will always have -1/-2 reroll6 against the raptors

>if you kill most of the longstrikes
You wont, thats the problem

>>53098941
Deep strike doesnt really solve the problem, either.

Gryph Hounds zone you at least 15" away from the raptors (or you can choose to take 1500 points of shooting from stormcast - good luck with that) and you cant move after disembarking from a zilfin deep strike.

Mortars dont do enough damage to get through those hit debuffs and a 3+ save (assuming you even get line of sight, lots of places are starting to move away from TLOS), aethercannons dont have enough range.

You cant do meaningful damage to the raptors and shooting anything but the raptors means you lose the game. Cant beat them on objectives because it forces you into the raptors killzone and they have more teleporting gimmicks.

Seems like the only way to win is to hope the stormcast player makes a huge mistake or you get very lucky with dice rolls.

Who are the most cancerous people in the /AoSg/, Aelf fans or Death fans?

>>53099073
yes

>>53099073
Its pretty close but aelffags are definitely worse

Especially bloodaelf

>>53099073
Because they haven't had proper releases yet. it's not hard to figure out.

>>53099015
You can't move but riggers can still grapple gun and charge, If you can't shoot them and kill them with 80 mortars or 120 rifles and you can't physically get riggers into melee with them disembarking on turn one then they cant beat them. Play Tzeentch I guess and put a LoC on a vortex.

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>>53088395
Sonn

>>53096903
He also is the reason the old world ended. They had that shit contained until the shank/backstab

>tfw fell for the greenskinz are actually mediocre meme

what the fuck, /tg/.
I just compared ard boyz to orruks, and ard boyz hit better, have more wounds, can have more attacks and have more saves and bravery. And most importantly: they cost less for efficiency.

What the fuck was GW thinking when they statted

>>53098461
Dear elffags.
1. AoS was literally Stormcast vs Khorne
2. Now it is Tzeentch
3. new 40k is coming out and its going to have Nurgle, so logically there will also be a new Nurgle AoS release with the Great unclean one etc.
4. Next will be slaanesh. Slaanesh will be fightan with the elves, so you will get your release AFTER the nurgle one, since the time of tzeentch is just ending now.

>>53098725
I think those are like two factions of shadow aelves.

>>53092700
>>53093453

nice, how'd you do the skin?

>>53099333
is that a meme?
All i've ever heard is ironjawz are better in every way.

>>53099333
Both savage orruks and ard boyz have 2 wounds and are priced similarly to greenskin orruks, so greenskins will probably be brought up to 2 wounds "soon"

>>53099498
Compare both warscrolls:

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-warscroll-orruk-ardboyz-en.pdf
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-warscroll-orruks-en.pdf

10 Ardboyz cost you 180 points.
10 Orruks cost you 100 points.
But that doesn't really matter at all, as Ardboyz are literally better than two Orruk units combined (minus reroll save)

>>53099590
yeah you might of messed up

>>53099716
I guess they're only ever going to be useful in narrative games

>>53099073
>>53099095
>>53099369

you can go fuck yourself

>>53099095
>Its pretty close but aelffags are definitely worseEspecially bloodaelf
>>53081898
what a monster

>>53099774
yeah if i were you sell them and try and get an ironjawz army or try and make a meme army but idk

>>53093410

What is that owl from?

>>53099590
>Ardboyz are literally better than two Orruk units combined (minus reroll save)

You can't just discount their stuff to make them look worse. 20 orruks have a rend and 40 attacks and shields. 10 hard boys have 30 attacks and no rend and no shields or 20 attacks and shields or 20 attacks and rend.

Orruks are only bad because Greenskinz as a faction are garbage, and big blobs of cheap crap are bad.

>>53099892
nvm I misread it they're 1 attack base.

>>53099109
>Because they haven't had proper releases yet. it's not hard to figure out.
dwarves were one, 1 army in WHFB that was as popular as any 1 of the three elves armies. Dwarves got two so far. Fuck even Death got 1 release and have an army that keeps dominating the tournament scene.

The bitterness is justified

>>53098093
Lets look at a different approach
Mhornar pick a unit reroll failed hits in the shooting phase.
80 mortar shots on raptors.
5s go through for 13.33 average hits.
66.67 rerolls result in 22.2 extra hits.
35.5 wounds rolls get you 23.67 save rolls.
3.9 successes on 2+, D3 damage is 7.8 average wounds getting through. No trading with some people for an extra D3 mortal wounds.

So you get half of them on the first volley then kill the rest on the next turn.

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>>53096575

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>>53099473
It's super-easy and honestly I think it's pretty bad.
It's just Pallid Wych Flesh, then a custom wash I made (In the beginning it was a Daemonette Hide made wash, which sucked hard, so then I made it Druchii Violet + Pale Gray wash from Vallejo, until I reach the exact color of Daemonette Hide but behave like a proper wash) and then Pallid Wych Flesh again.

Please announce a new force soon GW, I couldnt care less about flying dwarfs ffs

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What is your favorite and least favorite thing about the age of sigmar setting?

>>53096575

That rumour is from the undead in the new boxed game, you could see it on the trailer.

>>53101256
boobies

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>>53099590

>orruk boys cost more than free Guard

>>53101292

>the good

Enormous and dream like world that can have some absolutely creative physical settings where the gods and their pawns fight each other.

Parts of it feel like Norse mythology in their sense of scale

>the bad

Besides overwriting the old setting, I wish it had more stories from the perspective of normal humans. That's how the world of WHFB was explored and it was very effective story telling

>>53101292
The lack of Aelves

>>53101292
>favourite
WHFB had a very enclose and immutable setting. Making narrative games almost never felt right.
In AoS I can make my own land and create a story around it, and it's totally legit.

>least favourite
The fact that Chaos is evil for the sake of being evil.
In 40k Chaos has a purpose, and there are plenty of characters with a tragic backstory that make you understand why they fall to chaos.
Characters believe in it.
Based on personal moral belief, you could even cheer for Chaos, and it's fascinating.

In AoS they are just the plain bad guys that want power and some shit like that.

Also, missing Slaanesh

>>53101292
Gud
>Dinos in space riding Dinos while wearing Dinos
>EZ rules
>Silver tower and hammerhal are fun

Bad
>A lot of the art is shit
>The maps/world art is 100% shit
>Snorecast eternals

>>53089897
I cant wait to see more on this!

>>53101293
I don't see it.

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>>53101861
Soon, you just need to be patient for just a little bit longer

>>53101861
Honestly why would anyone actually want elves. They're more boring and vanilla than Stormcast. We have like 30 different types of dudes with swords and bows and riding reindeer already. They should be making shit like Skryre and Slaanesh.

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>>53102014
>Honestly why would anyone actually want elves. They're more boring and vanilla than Stormcast.

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>>53102132
Just look at this ridiculous thing. You really want to try and salvage this crap when they could just squat it and make stuff people actually want to buy.

>>53102248
Just squat chaos, and make some interesting villains.Skaven can stay, they have some sort of motivation beyond "be best at chaos"

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>>53102248
Like this?

>>53102248
>post gorgeous model that I love
>thinks this is an argument for elves being shit

>>53102340
nailed it

>>53102340
Slayers were fine when it was one unit, a whole faction of them is stupid. Its like making a bright wizard army with wizard foot soldiers and heroes riding fireballs and even that would be cooler than fireslayers.

>>53102404
>Replying to bait

>>53102132
nothing is more vanilla than Samecast

>>53088395
Alright, this is it anons: Do I go all in with death, and by a box of Morghast, or do I go with Kharadon Overlords?

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>>53102942
Cast off your fleshy prison!

>>53088395
how are legion of azgorh? i made a chaos dwarf army last year that i was using to play KOW and have just started playing AOS.

any tactics/units i should try?

>>53101434
In 40k chaos is crazy evil and warlike due to the nature of the races that died in the war in heaven. Understandably evil, but still pretty damn evil.

>>53099369
The Time of TZEENTCH shall never end! Bwa ha ha!

>>53102764

High elves are probably the most stereotypical high fantasy army in WHFB, let alone AOS

>>53103976
>High elves are probably the most amazing and iconic high fantasy army in WHFB, let alone AOS

ftfy

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Finally got a light box

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>>53104022

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>>53104037

>>53104005

>their shining achievement is losing the technological race to literal monkeys

>>53104060
>caring about competing with technology when you have superior magic

>>53104047
I remember when you first started and it was pretty fucking bad but now it looks really good. Will probably look better once you have a unit finished

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>>53104022
>>53104037
>>53104047
very cool dude. Amazing how much progress you made on these over the last couple months.
>>53104060
>losing to literal monkeys
pic for you

>>53104271
>>53104252
Thanks,I appreciate it!

>>53099157
>charging aetherstrike
its like you WANT to get shot to pieces

>LoC on a vortex
How? MONSTERS cannot use the vortex

>>53100460
Thats assuming only 1 rank of protectors
Most people are running 2 now that KO is getting popular

With 2 protectors your hits go down to 13 total (on average) which is 4.44 wounds or <1 wound after 2+ saves.

>>53101292
Good
No aelves yet

Bad
Aelves will eventually be released

>>53102646
I like the Fyreslayers. Its cool that theres a faction of duardin that worship the dwarf god of war and thefire

Different strokes for different folks

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>>53104560
this yfw aelves are released and you cant beat them and its just like WHFB all over again.

>>53104511
swap him with the battalion ability bro.

>>53104546
Show me the list that can fit 10 protectors.

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>>53104578
Fuck off cancer. Fyreslayers are not only the shittiest army in AoS they are probably the worst army GW ever made.
>"People love slayers so lets make an army of them but make them uglier and shittier than the originals!"
They are lazy uninspired garbage. This is coming from someone who loves dwarfs. KO are a million billion times better.

>>53104722
thats really not hard to do, aetherstrike core with 9 raptors is 1420

azyros can take the lantern, dont need a castellant/veritant

>>53104765
>its bad because i dont like it

Nah fuck you cunt

>>53104788
Nobody likes fyreslayers faggot. You are probably the only person on /tg/ that likes that shit heap of an army assuming that a person that likes fyreslayers can be considered human.

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>>53104814
not that guy but you should stfu because youre being a total faggot right now.

>>53104814
>nobody likes fyreslayers faggot

Nah fuck you cunt

>>53104814
Different anon here.
Fyreslayers are fine.
Take your autistic rant elsewhere.

>>53104775
That's 1920 with libs so they'll have a 3+ then without the castellant. 80 shots with 80 rerolls averages 3 unsaved at d3 with d3 from the footnote.

>>53104833
>>53104854
That anon is right even if he is a cunt about it. FS are lazy, ugly and are pretty much one of AoS greatest low points.

If shadow elves are coming this month when will we get spoilers?

>>53104896
Your math is wrong
4.44 wounds is 1.48 wounds on a 3+, or 1-2 wounds on average, or 2-4 damage on average. Not enough to break them in battleshock

Also what if they just keep the raptors in the celestial realm?

Aetherstrike is definitely the strongest tournament list, i dont see any way for KO to reliably beat them

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>>53105067
who knows. I'm not even convinced Aelves are getting the next release but good things are worth waiting for.

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>>53101292

The Good
>Goblins are da shit
>Tzeentch is my homeboy and hes back in town too

The Bad
> most the people at my GW play 40k
> i want to know where the fuck settra is and why GW fucked my glorious tomb king army.

I really hope that settra finds Rhamotep and then he comes back with beautifully new sculpted Egytpian deities from the magical rocks in sigmar land so that he can rebuild his body and rample chaos beneath monstrous scorpion statues (think ariels beatle but better) or some shit fuck im high lol

>>53105972
What mini is that? The sculpt is gorgeous.

>>53105103
Its 80 you miss them all then reroll them all.
you hit on a 6 at -2 for 13.3
wound roll at 3+ is 8.85 made
3+ save means 2.94 go through.

You can also easily just run it for 6 Khemist and 140 shots if were talking about full ass cheese scenarios like double paladins.

>Aetherstrike is definitely the strongest tournament list
>laughing Plaguebearers.jpg

>>53106053

A one GW no longer makes.

>>53104814

I have to agree, they're the fucking worst faction in the game by an enormous margin and yes, I took Fagcasts into consideration.

Does anyone else find it fuckey that both SCE and KOs have a fucking Aetherstrike Force?

> Go to a 3000pt "GO WILD" competition at the local club, mostly for fun.
> One player brings all his own, his wife's and borrows a friends Skaven slaves and clan rats. And nothing else.
> 431 rats on the field.

They barley fit on the table. Was awesome to see.

>>53101292
>favourite: mortal realms
>less favourite: the old world had to die

>>53088395
Is there a decent AoS tutorial for 40k players?

I really don't want to watch a video babying me through basic warhammer stuff.

>>53106923
Just watch a battle report and you can start picking it up.

>>53101292
>favorite
Stormcast eternals. It's nice seeing the "good guys" finally have an answer to the endless hordes of AHNOLD sized barbarians that isn't some "peasants defending their home against impossible odds" HFY faggotry
Also Seraphon doing what Those lazy fuck lizardmen should have been doing in fantasy
>least favorite
Archaon being wanked into the single strongest character in the setting by far

Also, skaven being fully part of chaos pantheon and not their own somewhat neutral faction. In fantasy they sided with anyone willing, even if they weren't chaos corrupted

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>tfw people are starting AoS in my store finally

On that note, how well do Wanderers do against Stormcast Eternals?

>>53107054
the glade guards are very good against low count model army with their -3 rend special attack

>>53097638
>>53097645
That's fucking glorious. Keep it up anon.

>>53107054
Back in the early days of ghb they really weren't match for stormcasts. Teleporting guys who come, what, 5" of you?

Now you wanderers have a slightly better chance of not dying instantly and they might even win objective based matches. But if you head on against stormcasts, you can pick your models off the table pretty much instantly.

>>53107102

Oh damn, I forgot about that. Idk if I want to blow him out with that shit during an intro game.

>>53107163
That paints a different picture. He's new if it matters, and iirc he has the starter set and a box of judicators

>>53096441
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Vampire-Counts-Blood-Knights

>>53106996
Skaven were Chaos aligned since 3e at the earliest, dude.

>>53106923
4 (FOUR) PAGES

>>53104814
I love them, price is only thing that puts me off

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>mfw my blightkings and my Nurgling group of 6 attacks an enemy

>>53107250
So far the rules aren't the problem for me, but the jargon involved with list building and keeping track of the new names for everything.

>>53107312
The list building jargon is fucking dumb I agree, use Battlescribe to get used to it if you fancy. Keeps life simple

>>53107312
Also you can get warscroll with the old unit names if you want, look for [(army) age of sigmar legacy scrolls]

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First mini I've ever solo painted. Fucked up on the shield/gold chaos star. Smudged the texture paint, but I liked the almost mud like effect.

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Trying to think up a list on how to beat use Nagash this is my 3K
I aim on trying to use all Nagash's spells
Run TK units so to use their summoning spells

>>53101292
>Good
New models
New factions
Armies are more fun to build and play
Game runs a lot smoother
Some of the fluff is really good, eg FEC
MC escher style freaky topography maps
Constant community engagement and updates

>The bad
Some of the fluff is fucking terrible
Updates can be so slow

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It's so nice to finally play with a fully finished army, all those hours of painting were really worth it.

>>53108241
>Nurgle
my man

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>>53108275
I also finished my chaos sorcerer yesterday

>>53107910
Not bad at all. Base looks great actually.

My suggestion going forward would be to work on the consistency of your basecoats. Multiple thin coats of colour to get a completely even and consistent coverage.

>>53108299
What kind of water to paint ratio do you recommend? I cant tell what is just right and what is too watery.

>>53108318
When I thin my paints out I always aim to get the consistency of milk

>>53108325
Sorry to hound you, but any tips other than a steady hand for painting small detail like the chaos star? I couldnt seem to keep my brush on the raised edges.

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>>53108385
Well the only chaos stars on shields I have painted were to the trophies to my herdstone, and there I just slowly painted it and tried not to get any gold into the metal

Pic related

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Hello, AoS. Newfriend to the game here - I've only just decided to take the plunge and start building my own army, and as such, I had a few questions.

First off is, do you guys regret buying and assembling stuff that turns out to be too weak to be competitive in your gaming enviroment?

Second is, do you guys regret spending money on large numbers of poorly painted, clunky, antiquated second-hand models instead of smaller handfuls of brand-spanking new, latest-edition models?

These are choices I am forced to make soon. I know it will be my own desires ruling the decision in the end, but it would be a comfort to me if I could hear your experiences with these nooblet worries.

Is anyone else profoundly sad that we won't be able to make fun of 40k with its atrocious rules any longer?

>>53092616

Basing my bloodbound, it's super tedious so no pics.

>>53108448
>First off is, do you guys regret buying and assembling stuff that turns out to be too weak to be competitive in your gaming enviroment?
I'm sure some are, but they are the cancer of the hobby and you shouldn't succumb to their standards. Miniature beauty > fun on the tabletop > effectiveness
>Second is, do you guys regret spending money on large numbers of poorly painted, clunky, antiquated second-hand models instead of smaller handfuls of brand-spanking new, latest-edition models?
Uh, no? A bottle of alcohol and a toothbrush work wonders.

>>53092616
Basecoated and washed my stormfriends. There's nothing you haven't seen, so I won't bother taking a picture

>>53093383
Pleb taste detected, why don't you go paint some liberators instead

>>53108448
1. Hell no, I enjoy building, and painting(even if im new to it) as equally as playing. Plus, it sometimes it's fun to bring a unit someone wasnt expecting to a game.

2. Yes. I did, but that may stem from my love of painting and assembling. They don't feel like mine. I have a pool of old ass Fire Warriors and Devilfish for my 40K Tau army, and they don't feel like they match or fit.

>>53108480
>Uh, no? A bottle of alcohol and a toothbrush work wonders.

R-really? Wow. I'd better look into these "2000 points of second-hand bitz for 100€" deals closer then.

>>53108480

Pouring so much time and effort into something you think looks cool only to have it get wrecked every game because it has sub par rules is soul destroying.

Presenting an argument that suggests people who don't want to do this as being some kind of low tier hobby destroying waacfag whilst putting yourself on some kind of ludicrous "true gamer" pedestal isn't just retarded it's dishonest.

You are the cancer.

>finally have time to start working on my Sylvaneth battalion
>check box again to remember what's inside
>Drycha, Treelord, Hunters, and Revenants
>Revenants
>want to run spooky revenants
>tree revenants are simply better in all ways
>now I'm torn

Fug

>>53108684
>tree revenants are simply better in all ways
As so, there is a good chance this will be fixed in the next General's Handbook

Choose the models you like, there is no point in choosing them for power in a meta that changes every year.

>>53108654
Maybe you should try growing up and not putting your self worth into a game with toy soldiers

>>53107163
Waystone Pathfinder formation guarantees you 100% to get the first shot against whatever unit you wish wish. After that you have to rely on either fast cav to snag objectives or Eternal Guard to hold your points.

>>53108684
>now I'm torn
you cheeky leaf

>>53107926
You need 3 battleline units in 2k to 3k

>>53108654
I think I like the other guy's advice better. He managed to not lapse from basic human decency while presenting his opinion on the matter. It lends him a higher level of credibility, by far.

That aside, this poster does remind me of that story about GW officials and players being commonly banned from cons. I should count myself lucky for having such a good-spirited local crew.

>>53107926
This is like 5k?

>>53108759
How could it be fixed? All they do is adjust points.

>>53101402
yeah that my favorite thing too

>>53108241
>no blight kings
anon you are missing some of GWs best minis.

>but muh daemons
Blight kings are cooler.

>>53107910
Just go back in with the blue and clean up the gold. Its normal to have to neaten up after.

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>>53109269
I own Blightkings as well

>>53104022
>>53104037
>>53104047
what if all this time hes only done one model?

>>53109286
Mah nigga.

>Not painted yet
Get on it.

>>53109319
That's an old picture, since the sorcerer on the left is already finished >>53108291 The Blightkings have only gotten primed and painted in skin color so far , as I just began painting them today

>People who disagree with me are cancer

This is the argument you are saying didn't lapse human decency. And what the fuck does GW employees and being banned from cons have to do with anything?

Convincing people to spend money and time on something that they will get almost no use out of on the basis that it somehow makes them a higher order of hobbyist is dishonest and top tier shill behavior.

If you are ok with that then there is something wrong with you and your "local crew" of cretins.

>>53108761

>being emotionally invested in your hobby is bad

Why are you even here?

>>53101434
>The fact that Chaos is evil for the sake of being evil.

I should note that even in the long, absolute rule of Chaos, the realms holden to chaos were never run to extinction of human life.

This cannot be said for sure for the real world, and its complete lack of nonhuman powers of evil.

>>53108385
Don't try to use consistent brush strokes. Essentially brush through the air across it with a small amount of paint on the brush. Several small strokes are neater than one big one and you should need two coats to get the full colour if you've thinned your paint enough

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New aelf by John Blanche?

>>53109834

Vampire Aelves when?

Latest White Dwarf
https://mega.nz/#!DtZQAIxR!v5_q1tE5dz5pdaPt5HNbD680gENjXEKZvjJ0H3McrNY

By our Russian friend.

>>53108452
Why do the two games have to hate each other? Can't they both do well, thus boosting GW and resulting in new and better models for both?

inb4 t. GW shill, I just play both and want both games to do well.

>>53109834

That's the concept art for Ynnead.

>>53110122
amen brother

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Well, here we go again

It's possible to do a only wood elves no arbor army?
with only sisters shooting an guys on elks n shiet?

>>53110723
yes.
>is it any good?
it's old stuff coming up against the new battletomes, there may well be issues

>>53110739
>it's old stuff coming up against the new battletomes, there may well be issues

Unless you're tomb kings

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>>53110739
When i say possible i say if they can win.
Also
>new Wood Elves models when i don't want fucking trees REEEEEEEEEEEE Fucing games workshop why it never supports my favorite armies!!!
Autistic screeching

>>53109441
The more you speak, the lower you descend. The further you descend, the more my decision in favour of the opposite of your recommendation solidifies.

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>>53110739
>>53110774
How well do pure Feeguild do?

Also, can you shoot through your own units?

I was thinking what realm would the water aelves come from? Maybe they could make a new mortal realm based on water and have it like ulthuan so it's one big island by itself with loads of water around it?

>>53111065
You can shoot through your own units but it's like cover and give a +1 to the enemy's save roll.

>>53111102
I think any apart from fire and metal are possible. Life or Beasts being the most likely

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ELEGANT EVIL ARMY WHEN?
Not everyone wants to play barbarians and shit...

>>53111331
why is michael jackson wearing a woman's coat and carrying a trash bag?

>>53111151
yeah but aunt beast just loads of sand or snowy mountains?

New thread
>>53111496
>>53111496
>>53111496