EDH/Commander General

>>53027148
>What is your favorite part about your play group?
No one plays blue so I don't have to worry about counters.

What's the best way to stop the jackasses who like to go Infinite turn 4/5 other than just saying "Congrats, you won!" and the remaining three or four of us continuing to play?

>>53027215
play tutorable silver bullets. harsh mentor stops some combos, grab one. hushwing griff, other hatebears.

These generals are a waste.

UW tokens doesn't need blue. Duel Commander has a better banlist. Blue is the best color in Magic. Don't buy precons.

>>53027215
just start telling them that the rest of the group is going to keep playing the game without them. eventually they will stop once they have to wait an extra 2 hours to play a game after they "win" on turn 4

>>53027215
git gud

What is the best place to buy cards online, /edhg/?

If I do 12 damage to someone with one partner commander, then 9 with the other, is that 21 commander damage or 12 and 9 separate commander damage?

>>53027421
Tcgplayer obviously.

>>53027421
Mcm if you are glorious master race.

>>53027644
Separate

>>53027644
Gee If only there was a place we could look this up.

>>53027421
tcgplayer is the best place with the one exception of if you are buying a bunch of bulk rares in which case card kingdom is better because of lower shipping costs

i want to put together a super friends deck because i have a shit load of random planeswalkers laying around. is it worth it to have a 5 color commander like child of alara over atraxa for that i can use red or is the extra color not worth it in place of the constant proliferate and flying beater?

>>53027746
Oh yeah that 4/4 is gonna decide games.

>>53027756
its more of the proliferate trigger and just having a body with s hit load of key words early to protect the walkers. youd be surprised how scared people are of death touch

>>53027756
Deathtouch+flying makes for a great rattlesnake, and vigilance+lifelink is free value. Her keyword soup is about as brainlessly efficient as it gets.

Add to that the stupidly good proliferate synergy with planeswalkers and most red planeswalkers being shitty burn Chandras, the choice is obvious.

>>53028041
>most red planeswalkers being shitty burn Chandras
Ral Zarek and Koth would like a word with you.

So I'm making a grixis deck built around donating permanents, and I'm wondering what would be a better donate target between these 3:
Midnight oil
Grafted skullcap
Avaricious dragon

Midnight oil I can take advantage of for a bit before donating, but it's the hardest permanent type to give away. Grafted skullcap is easier to give away but I can't take advantage of it and need to give it away instantly. Avaricious dragon is the easiest permanent type to donate but I also need to donate it instantly, and I'm giving my opponent a creature, which is easy to get rid of.

So, what would be the best one?

When can wizards finally wrest this format from Sheldon's clammy hands and implement sane banlist changes? (sol ring banned, painter's servant unbanned)

>>53028098
He said most. You even quoted him saying most. And even if Atraxa had red Koth wouldn't fit in the deck.

>>53028203
Don't reply to him.

>>53028203
>replying to name/tripfags

>>53028200
If you think wizards would ever ban sol ring then you're retarded.

>>53028200
>Wizards
>running a format better
>banning a card that is selling supplemental products

Nigga you dumb.

>>53028276
>>53028338
>look at these noobs
Learn the culture of a board before you shitpost and you'll be infinitely more effective. Literally only containment boards complain about trips, particularly good ones.

>>53028501
Put your trip back on please.

what are the best cards that give unblockable in dimir? Besides whispersilk cloak.

>>53028536
What exactly are you trying to do?

Slip Through Space is okay, but there simply aren't many reasons to do combat damage in Commander. Also Filth+Urborg.

>>53028501
fuck off faggot, the literal entire point of 4chan is that its anonymous. the ONLY reason to have a name or trip is to circle jerk like a fag and seek attention from newfags. if you want to tie an identity to yourself then go to reddit or one of the millions of other websites on the planet designed to give you an identity

>>53028576
Trying to get creatures with inspired effects and combat triggers through

>>53028536
Slip Through Space, Artful Dodge, Distortion Strike, Aqueous Form, Shadow Rift.

>>53028646
Aqueous form is a great one, thanks. For the rest, I'm mostly looking for repeatable effects.

>>53028794
Go get yourself a Dauthi Embrace.

>>53028794
T H A S S A

>>53028887
That one is spicy as hell.
>>53028938
Don't understand how I forget about her.

Thanks guys.

>>53027421
Troll and Toad is the best place to buy cards on the internet. Fast shipping, low prices, card quality is always as listed. There is no better option than Troll and Toad.

>>53029008
Remember to fuck with your friends by giving their blockers Shadow!

I currently plan to build my third commander deck. Both my decks are kinda Timmy (Ob Nixilis the Fallen and Captain Sisay) so i want to go for something less/not creature oriented.
I want to put U and R in the new deck but I'm open to aditional colors.
So far Shu Yun (would probably end up as a semi-Timmy deck again) or Narset catched my attention.

Anyone uses one of them? Are they fun to play ?
I'm also looking for other intresting generals that go with UR.

>>53029070
Unless you want Protean Hulks of course

>>53029114
Oh shit that's a good idea.

Safe travels to you and your lineage.

>>53029164
Yeah. It's why you run it alongside Thassa. Otherwise she'd just be better.

>>53029154
Forgot to mention that the deck doesn't need to be super competitive.
My priority is to build something that's interesting and varried to play.

>i want to turn my bruna deck into a ruhan or shu yun deck but i dont want to have to redo the mana base

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>No EDH until Saturday

Save me

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>>53029070
Gee, I wonder who could be behind this post. . .

>>53029488
>EDH on saturday
>the cards for my new deck wont arrive until monday

literally just fucking kill me

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>>53029566

That was me last week Anon. Stay strong in the face of this endless suffering.

>>53029154
Don't be a voltron fag, build actual spellslinger with Mizzix
Or Riku if you still want some creatures
Or Nekusar if you hate yourself and your friends

>>53028589
While I don't condone it, the anon you quoted isn't wrong. The tripfags around here generally are pretty tame and regular contributors. It is a different culture compared to other boards.

>>53029728

It's a mixed bag, we have some pretty awful tripfags as well as the decent folks.

>>53028536
If you're building Vela, she does most of the work anyways, so don't worry too much about unblockable.

>>53029799
Not Vela, Jeleva. Red doesn't have anything relevant for unblockable though so I just asked for dimir.

>>53029791
>>53028589
Yes, but if you posted here for more than a day you'd know Brollective is a constructive, consistent poster. It'd be like making fun of gA or calling him "jojo stand guy".

So we are doing a "bad decks" night and I have to build a deck where all the cards are like ~$5 or less and the deck has to end up actually being bad, so no budget combo decks

1 friend already built depala, to give you an idea

I was thinking maybe I do Ravos + tymna cleric tribal

Any other ideas you guys like?

>>53027148
>You lazy shits let the thread die edition
Needed to let the tism cool

>>53029867

But Brollective is a massive faggot.

>>53027148
>What is your favorite part about your play group?
I can still win with Jank
I used to play competitively on Cockatrice and did tournaments for duel
None of that was nearly as fun as bilging like building first strike tribal or the all x spell deck

>>53029875
Baron Sengir Vampire Tribal.

>>53029910
All tripfags are

>>53029823
Ah, apologies for assuming.

>>53029875
Play burn
But no x spells
Jori en will give you enough gas to make it look like burn without making it a viable deck

>>53030010
No sweat.

>>53029875
jasmine boreal vanilla tribal with murganda petroglyphs

>>53029910
But Brollective is a cool guy!!!!!!!1

>>53030075
You're not making it any easier for me to defend you, you fucking goon.

>>53028576
There's a dude who makes blue creatures unblockable. He's a lorwyn/shadowmoor merfolk and costs six. Can't remember the name though, sorry.

>>53030120
Deepchannel Mentor

>>53030104
That isn't him, you fucking goon.

>>53029668
I have allready considered building Riku.
But I could imagine he's pretty slow if you dont go full ramp, correct?

I don't realy like Nekusar allthough i have some nice tech for him in my folder. Would probably allways be the first target on the table.

>>53030139
Boom, this. Run this, unblockable-anon. Card is legit insane.

>>53030104
How the fuck did you even fall for that shoddy copy pasted trip, you fucking goon.

>>53030143

Yeah a cool guy like him would never attention whore or anything you goon.

>>53030143
If you took that bait any harder then the hook would have ended up in your sinus cavity.

>>53030184
>>53030189
But taking bait is fun, you fucking goons.

>>53030164

What about archetype of imagination? Seems a little bit more powerful

>>53030164
Wouldn't archetype of imagination basically do the same thing? Nobody plays reach anyway and this hits more stuff.

>>53030200
>>53030204
It dies to enchantment removal as well

>>53030189
You actually fell for the triple-reverse-bait, is this your first day here, you fucking goon?

>>53030200
>>53030204
Why not run both? They cost the same amount and are both good cards.

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>>53030237

I've been brewing an idea in my head all of today for a 5 color colorless deck. Essentially every card's mana cost contains no colored symbols, but they they activated abilities that are colored; thin door to nothingness or composite golem.

Has anyone tried something like this before? Has it worked for you? What would be some super secret tech for a deck like this?

How to abuse Sidar + Silas Renn?

("When this creature deals combat damage to a player" tribal + Artifact recursion)

>>53030330

That one card that makes lands tap for wacky mana

>>53029875
Phage the Untouchable

>>53029875
Tibalt Tribal.

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>>53030391

>>53030410
How exactly would that work
He has one card, and no other references afaik

>>53030330
>>53030372

Chromatic lantern

>>53029867
he can be a constructive consistent poster without being tripfag scum. and no, he is not constructive. please put your trip back on so i can continue to filter you

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>>53030372
>>53030446
Oh shit, naked singularity up in this bitch

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>>53030104
>>53030237
>I went from being a fucking goon to being a tripfag
Fuck you guys.

Post your latest decks.

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>>53030540
Plus eon hub

i love that card

>>53030434
Exactly.

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>>53030560

>Building a mid-tier Scion of the Ur-Dragon deck
>Nothing too powerful or broken, just want to throw Dragons around
>Get to Nicol Bolas
>Never liked the old card art even back in the day
>New version only exists in the From the Vault box
>$50 to $70 for that version

Fuck.

Is winning with an infect deck at all satisfying? Seems so anti climactic. "Oh, I hit you for 10 damage. gg, I guess..."

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>>53030560
Death Laser Storm Combo

>>53027282
So many shit opinions in one post.

I'm building Jeleva donate losscons and I'm at 113 cards right now but having trouble making cuts, can someone maybe assist me? Suggestions for good cards are welcome too. If possible I'd like to add some counterspells as well, but I can't really find a place to fit them in.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jeleva-hands-out-useful-permanents/

>>53030783
I've only played infect decks in Modern and Standard back in Scars, but no, the satisfaction has to come from outside sources, like knowing that you're winning with a deck that cost the same as a pizza against a deck that cost the same as a car.

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>>53027148
>What is your favorite part about your play group?
I don't have one because I dislike them and miss my old group and its hard finding new people where I live that aren't complete fags

>>53030560
Pic

>>53030783
Infect can be a rush, people scrambling for ways to hold off the onslaught is a beautiful sight.

Also, anything can be written out as anticlimactic like that. "Oh I craterhoof'd you for 200 gg I guess" "Oh I combo'd off gg I guess" "Oh I made my serra avatar unblockable gg I guess".

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>>53030560
>Crouching Saskia, Hidden Zada

It's basically Saskia Infect but with tutors for Zada in order to copy instant-speed buffs and shit

>>53030783
its actually really hard to win with infect in commander. generally you can kill one or two guys then you just lose to the third guy

Is winning by reducing someone's life to 0 through combat damage ever a strategy in competitive EDH?

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>>53030560
Doomsday is a fair card for the coolest and most laid-back guys

>>53030958
If you dont mind hoofing it.

>>53030560
I want to build neheb so bad but I cant find a satisfactory way for me to build him.

>>53030958
Yisan and Edric tend to agree

>>53031167
Accept mediocrity.

>>53030560
>I went from being a fucking goon to a tripfag

What did he mean by this?

>>53029875
Ulrich werewolf tribal

>>53031190
Im okay with him being shit, I play Karlov solely because there was something cool I could lean all in on doing, but Im not even sure what the best shit thing go do with him is. The only thing I can figure is he definitely shouldnt be all in minotaur tribal, but you gotta want SOME minotaur lords, right? But why would you want them if youre not playing a bunch of other minotaurs. Neheb is kind of a lame attacker on his own. How deep on other minotaurs do I go? Man why does Neheb look so cool.

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>>53030561
>tfw this and Sands of Time and Shisato
Cannot contain the orgasmus
Pic related, it's a giant snake about to attack an elf!

>>53031468
Thats no snake...

>>53031481
But it is. It's my Shisato about to attack the Dwynen player.
Fuck you Marcus, serves you right for playing so degenerate broken cards, now you can't keep gaining life anymore so I win always HAHAHAHAHA

>>53031481
indeed. got a panda link?

>>53031592
>>53031468
Oh, and fuck you too Jackson. If I see Mystic Genesis once more I will smash your mouth. Stop countering my snakes!

>Progenitus
>all 10 lieges in the 99

>>53031784
Go fuck yourself with your broken ass cards. All lieges should be fucking banned

>>53031833
How bad do you have to be to have a problem with Lieges?

>>53031856
Fuck you. Having broken cards in your deck doesn't make me a bad player. How about you play with fair cards instead and don't rely on OP bullshit

>>53031936
How in the hell are they OP bullshit? Lieges are incredibly tame and there's nothing wrong with them. You being unable to assess the worth of a card DOES make you a bad player.

>>53031965
I bet you play the gods and praetors as well, shithead

>>53032052
Gods are also incredibly tame and only a few of the Praetors are even good, and even they aren't broken for their mana cost. What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>53031614
https://exhentai.org/g/878205/d6933c6d6a/

>>53032052
I used to think that land destruction had no place in casual EDH... But now I realize I had a warped view of casual EDH. I used to think that cards like Sheoldred, Jitte, Ulamog, a few God enchantment creatures, etc all had no place in casual EDH.
Nowadays I realize that these things are fine for casual EDH, but with that realization I've also realized that Land Destruction should be fine as well. The truth is that if someone is playing mono red they not only can't take care of powerful enchantments but they have very few ways to take out creatures with over 7 toughness or indestructible creatures. So are you going to tell me that they should either A) get very lucky or B) willingly lose the game because they have no options?
No, neither of those choices are acceptable. The truth is that land destruction is the most powerful tool in Red's arsenal, not using it puts mono red players at a supreme disadvantage. If you feel like you're allowed to use supremely strong creatures "because they can be removed" or supremely strong enchantments "because they can be removed" then I feel that I'm allowed to use supremely strong land destruction "because you can run mana rocks".
And just as you say "Well you should run more removal!" I say "Well you should run more mana rocks!" and then you can say "Well I do but they aren't in my hand right now!" and I reply WITH THE EXACT SAME SENTIMENT towards removal.
So at the end of the day I say this; If the point of casual edh is still to win, which it obviously is if you're running $20 powerful praetors, then I'm going to do what I can to win, which is to keep you from being able to play those praetors.

>>53027215
>What's the best way to stop the jackasses who like to go Infinite turn 4/5 other than just saying "Congrats, you won!" and the remaining three or four of us continuing to play?

This is why I use the Helm of Obedience/Rest in Peace combo to kill off players one by one so that they can't do that to me

>>53032130
>ShindoL
Never talk to me or my commander ever again.

>>53032203
How about fatalpulse :^)

>>53027215
Play hate cards that shut it down before then if its using a lot of creature etb triggers play torpor. If its a storm thing play aethersworn cannonist. If its some artifact untap shenanigans play a harsh mentor and give him infect or a null rod. You have to be more efficient than them and play real answers.

>>53032203
You should have been able to tell it was dahootch from the snip posted before breh

>>53032081
All right, Ursabrak is fine, others are not. All gods are broken af. Indestructible and regeneration should never been made as mechanics. Having a creature that's literally impossible to kill is unfair.

>>53032203
ShindoL's vanilla stuff is perfection though.

>>53032281
>that's literally impossible to kill is unfair
Except that they're not impossible to get rid of, and most of them are garbage, indestructible or not. And the other Praetors aren't any worse than Urabrask. For their mana cost, they're just good value creatures, not OP by any measure. You seem like you're just really bad at judging cards by anything but face value.

>>53032281
Just play Bonds of Mortality if you hate it so much.

>>53032281
I actually thought this was bait, but excluding urabrask instead of maintaining an even wider sweeping generalization about the cards makes me unsure. No one REALLY thinks this, right?

>>53032381
I cant forgive wotc for not giving new kozilek hexproof. Fuck you for ruining the fucking flavor, wotc.

>>53027313
I did that in several games. Eventually they run out of EDH players and durdle on their phones until the next round of FNM comes up.

>>53032395
I did at first too, but it feels like he's actually just really fucking bad.

>>53032345
How is it fair to attack me with guys that can't be killed, let alone prevent me from playing the game (every praetor)?
Not to mention that when opponent casts Progenitus, there's literally nothing I can do anymore to win.
Not to mention that the "restriction" on the gods is stupid as hell. Of course the player has enough lands to have the god a creature at all times.
If I wanted to not have fun, I could've not played magic, but you guys with your broken OP cards are ruining my fun, deriving some kind of sadistic pleasure from it.
>>53032381
I play it, but my opponents always destroy it before I can kill the gods in combat step and they can decide not to attack if I use it before the combat. It needs to be a thing they don't expect.

>>53032428
The old one didn't have it either, you dumb shit

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GODDAMMIT /tg/ JUST ONCE
FUCKING ONCE
STOP TAKING THE BAIT YOU GULLIBLE FUCKING RETARDS
>the state of you idiots
You always have to have the last word against someone that's obviously trolling for (You)s. This board has the lowest (You) value, even lower than /tv/. Bottom fucking tier.

>>53032467
>playing EDH in a card shop

gross

>>53032606
Progenitus: literally any non-damage based boardwipes
Praetors: literally any creature removal, every color has it
Gods: literally any exile for enchantments or creatures

There, now stop being bad.

>>53032606
>How is it fair to attack me with guys that can't be killed, let alone prevent me from playing the game (every praetor)?
>Not to mention that when opponent casts Progenitus, there's literally nothing I can do anymore to win.
>Not to mention that the "restriction" on the gods is stupid as hell. Of course the player has enough lands to have the god a creature at all times.
What in the actual fuck am I reading? I get that this is bait, but it's really shit bait.

>>53032695
Nice bait.

>>53032695
(you)

>>53032632
Yes, and? I dont get what youre trying to say here. The old one didnt have menace or anything to do with counterspells. What's your point? I wasn't literally flaming mad about it but whatever you were trying to say in rebuttal makes no sense.

What commanders count as burn?
I think omnath locus of rage, nekusar, purphoros, kaeverek, and vial smasher are the obvious ones but what other commanders can be burn?

>>53032606
Lands don't give devotion you dumbshit

>>53032933
the one asshole who zaps people when they play cards, cant remember the name but he is red black

>>53032933
>>53032933
The Big Swingin' Dick himself

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>>53033055
>>53032933
A picture would help

>>53033051
Thats kaervek, i also spelled his name wrong

>>53032606
>my opponents always destroy it before I can kill the gods in combat step
This is underrated bait

>>53033082
How could I forget the guy that can just tap and oneshot everyone with furnace of rath

>>53032933
What do you consider burn? Jaya Ballard can blast everyone pretty good, even better if you can keep Gratuitous Violence on the field.

>>53032998
Of course they do, it says that you need 5 mana symbols to be a creature and my opponent uses the old lands that use the mana symbol.
>>53032729
Don't comment if you have nothing to say
>>53032726
Boardwipes don't kill gods or Progenitus, since former are indestructible and latter has protection from them. I tried to kill a praetor but opponent counterspelled it so I don't have anymore kill spells.

>>53033156
You aren't even trying.

I bait way better than your ass.

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>>53033156

>>53033156
Look up what protection means you mong, a simple wrath of god does kill progenitus.

>>53032827
Why would it have hexproof since the old one didn't have it? I don't know much of the lore surrounding Kozilek though and only story I did read was the one with Ulamog and Nissa and I mean the old stories in Wizards's site

>>53033156
For those who don't know why this is wrong and are too lazy to look it up-
1) Devotion
>700.5. A player’s devotion to [color] is equal to the number of mana symbols of that color among the mana costs of permanents that player controls. A player’s devotion to [color 1] and [color 2] is equal to the number of mana symbols among the mana costs of permanents that player controls that are [color 1], [color 2], or both colors.
Lands don't have mana costs and therefore don't count for Devotion.
2) Boardwipes vs Progenitus
A bit more complicated, but Protection protects from D E B T, Damage, Enchantment/Equip, Blocking, and Targeting. Since board wipes don't target, Progenitus's Protection from Everything doesn't do shit.

>>53033140
Jaya counts but she is expensive as fuck. I guess I also forgot bosh. Also my requirements for burn in edh are anything that turns cards into damage that are consistent enough to kill players in a way that mirrors how burn works in non singleton non hp boosted formats. Too much combat shit and its just zoo, but burn does play creatures to enable its damage.

>>53033156
Progenitus can still be hit by boardwipes that don't deal damage since they don't target it. Protection ONLY prevents damage being dealt, being enchanted (This can remove existing enchants if a creature somehow gains protection from that enchantment's color), blocking and targeting. Most boardwipes do none of these.
And gods can still be exiled and only mana symbos in cards costs count towards devotion. Lands don't have a cost so they don't do shit

>>53033249
>>53033283
This doesn't explain how my oponent could attack with enough lands. Jesus /tg/ is bad at magic again.

>>53033326
>Jesus /tg/ is bad at magic again.
No, just you.

>>53033326
Want the explanation?
YOUR OPPONENT WAS EITHER PLAYING YOU A FOOL AND CHEATING OR STUPID

>>53033326
It's called lying and you being a dipshit.

>>53033335
How about you debate better instead of defending broken OP bullshit cards

>>53033362
>>53033371
Don't call my friend a cheater. He would never do that to me

>>53033372
Lands do not count for devotion, so your opponent attacking you with a god just because they have lands was not a valid move. The god does not become a creature just because they have lands. Say it with me now.

Progenitus dies to board wipes because "protection from everything" does not literally mean protection from everything. And Praetors are not OP because they have fair effects for their mana cost. They're just value creatures.

>>53033372
There's no debate
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=370405 Clarifies progenitus's rulings (Scroll down a bit past the card and note that it has an official wizards domain name) and http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=373589 clears up devotion rules. and god rules

>>53033391
Then he's stupid

>>53033245
I'm still not following your point. Why would kozilek have menace or an equivalent since it didnt exist back then or the pitch to counter ability?

>>53033446
Menace is old as fuck it just wasnt a keyword. He could have had it but didnt.

>>53033446
Cause wizards has an in house distillery where they make booze from cards for their design team

>>53033477
Hence why I said an equivalent, smart ass. It was called the war drums ability before.

>>53033540
Or "that thing that two headed dragon has"

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So to stop all this shitposting about progenitus and a retard/potential troll, I am building a Jarad deck and would like to know if anyone has a list so I don't have to dig through miles of crap on tappedout.

>>53033607
Honestly just GB goodstuff would work for him. Just remember that your general's main draw is that he's basically fling on an ever increasing body and don't be afraid to let him go to the 'yard since he's easy enough to get back.
So land recursion, big things you don't mind throwing OR token producers and probably a sword or some other voltron thing in case he gets big enough to go for the kill (Rogue's passage anyone?)

>>53030771
Said like a man who's never seen the Timeshifted foil Nicol Bolas. Sexy as fuuuuuuck.

>>53033751

The vibrant colors make the old school art look really nice but I hate the clashing of borders. I'm spastic like that.

>>53033730
Oh I'm not worried about him dying since I'm dismantling mimeoplasm for it, got a life from the loam to help mill myself but will need to get grave troll for it, are any of the other dredge cards worth running?

>>53033827
there's a land with dredge that might work. not a swamp or forest though
And golgari thug looks good for recursion. Necroplasm if you're an ass

>>53033827
Dakmoor Salvage, Necroplasm, Stinkweed Imp (my personal favorite for dredge), and Golgari Thug are all good.

>>53033883
Dakmor Salvage. Just a land, no types

>>53033883
>>53033928
>>53033933
Thanks

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What's the sweet spot for a number of basic lands in a Sidisi dredge deck featuring Hermit Druid?

I want to do big mills, but I don't want to be super degenerate.

>>53028536
Aqueous Form and protective bubble are your friend.

>>53034289
Zero obviously.

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>>53034289
>mfw I was going to use traumatize in Sidisi and then I remembered how her ability works

I still feel really fucking stupid

Is Selvala a good group hug commander?

I'm thinking about playing Omnath, is it fun?

So I am taking my first steps into EDH/commander because several of my friends play and it looks fun.

If anyone is willing to give feedback I'd greatly appreciate it.
Or just general tips for playing/deck building.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/death-drag-us-down-where-we-belong-1/

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>>53028887
Wowow no shit

>>53034766
I go to edhrec, select commander I'm using and order all the cheap cards on the page

>>53034722
I assume you mean RG Omnath, not G Omnath. Really depends, but honestly if you're thinking "Hey, 5/5s and throwing bursts of damage around sounds fun," then you'll find it fun.

>>53034792
Excellent.

>>53029867
Stop knighting for other people on a mongolian glass-blowing forum you massive faggot

>>53034791
Really? That sounds not good my dude

>>53034832
It works out okay.
If I really like the look of a more expensive card, I'll go ahead and buy it. The nice thing about commander is that unless your playgroup is a bunch of fucking combo assholes you can usually play timmy-style cards, so I usually try to include some of those in each deck I have as well.

>>53034721
She's alright. but since you're playing group hug you'll ALWAYS be targeted by SOMEONE

>>53034901
My group's pretty friendly to group hug. Just wanted to know if I should go for her or gay kings.

>>53034950
I dunno my man. Gaykang opens up so many colors, and they're more consistent. And importantly, they're not symmetrical. It hugs all, but guarantees you the most value, by 100%.

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>>53034691
Think small with Sidisi.

>>53035010
Yeah, but I'm a hipster. Kangz have ~1000 decks, Selvala has ~600. As long as she's not shit that's what I'm going for.

>>53035090
Well okay, but I seriously recommend them. I enjoyed them immensely, and also they're based off two real heroes who killed a tyrant by simply brazenly fucking killing him on the street, and suffered torture and death

>>53035123
Never heard of that before. Mind sharing a link?

>>53035181
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmodius_and_Aristogeiton

>>53035213
what was the name of that other tyrant of athens who did classically tyrannical things like commissioning the first written copy of the illiad and the oddyssey and establishing roving bands of judges who'd wander the countryside to solve disputes?

>>53035292
I have NO fucking idea actually I am sorry

>>53035302
Ah man, it's a damn shame. That guy's story was great. I he's the same guy who they kicked out of the city three times and every time he came back and just took over again

>>53035329
Probably Peisistratos? Actually the father of Hipparchus, the guy who the other two guys assassinated.

>>53035425
>Peisistratos
That's him. The guy that after he got exiled hired some prostitute to pretend to be Athena and rolled up to the city in a gilded chariot. And then after that when they kicked him out AGAIN he just took over the old fashioned way

>>53027148
Official 1v1 banlist comes out in 9 hours.
Anyone exited about it?

>>53035773
Honestly yes.

>>53035773

I've seen it, it's shit.

>>53035933
Got a source?

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>>53036088

My uncle is wotc he wont ban Sol Ring

>>53033607
Here's the deck i built not long ago
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/judge-dredge-2-3/

>>53035020
Holy balls. I need to put a sidisi deck in my hands right now

>>53035773
I was but then I realized id probably keep playing the multiplayer rules even if i play 1v1 as I do noq so i dont need to have multiple decks for different banlists.

>>53028639
Use Phenax in the 99 then? For the inspired triggers of course. Paradise Mantle is neato for inspired (I know you run Pain Seer there.)

>>53034289
I run 32 lands and 21 basics because I'm >poor but dredge never lets me down.

>>53029875
Night creep with Goblin Sharpshooter and Kormus bell is out? Thats sad.

>>53029566
>Contemplating paying 15$ more for shipping just to get them here before saturday

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>>53036878

>tfw paid more for shipping than my latest waifu playmat just so I could rep anime tiddies at my LGS yesterday

Got a question for you guys. Where do you draw the line between answers and hate? At what point are you no longer building a deck to play the game but a deck to specifically beat the people around you based on what they use regularly, shut them down, and basically kill the fun?

Assuming non competitive EDH obviously.

>>53029875
I run Athreos cleric tribal. It's shit and will never be good, but nevertheless here's some stuff.

Infinite combo's:
>Conspiracy + Rotlung Reanimator + Free sac outlet
>Ashnod's Altar + Priest of Grix + Corpse Dance
>Daru Spiritualist + Shaman en-Kor / Lightning Greaves + Starlit Sanctum / Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim / Disciple of Griselbrand

Janky synergy:
>Pestilence + Daunting Defender = One sided board wipe

You can use shitty tutors like Demonic Dread and Demonic Consultation to find the cards you need.

From my experience, if you don't have a bunch of pillowfort carts you'll quickly be overrun. Generally speaking, clerics don't have a lot going for them in the power/toughness department, and you'll have almost no flyers.
>Ghostly Prison
>Norn's Annex
>Sphere of Safety
>Gossamer Chains
etc etc

Luckily, there are some tasty pillowfort cleric cards.
The best of which is Battletide Alchemist, which can easily shut down any "go wide" decks. She goes great with cleric token producers, like Westvale Cult Leader and Westvale Abbey.
Sheidmage Elder is great for shutting down Voltron strategies.

Also get Edgewalker. It's great.

>>53037027
If you play games against not your playgroup and the cards you added are dead in your hand, that's hate. Something like scooze is always useful, running leyline, RiP, crypt as well may be Overkill and useless.
Nature's claim is good, prescence of the master is overkill and likely useless, etc.

>>53037156
So what about control decks that are kind of meant to be all encompassing and thwart others at every turn?

>>53037216
If you have dead cards in hand as control in a multiplayer format you are in even worse trouble.

>>53037253
Sorry, what I meant was those types of decks rarely ever have dead cards but they always have something to shut others down. They seem synonymous with hate.

>>53037283
At this point you just need to build a deck and see. It sounds like you haven't played control before, so everything you are saying is just you talking out of your ass and you won't be able to distinguish good advice from bad if you are this inexperienced.

Can someone help me? My friend is a "spike" and he keeps trying to get me to get back into edh to play with him but he has all these stupid strong decks which make me question what his goal is even since this sets the price barrier quite high. What's the best way to address this? Should I build a toxic as fuck deck to even things out or what? It seems like he's built his decks to be competitive but nobody in our playgroup can compete.

>>53038060
Ask him to tone it down.

>>53038077
Probably the best solution. But just in case he doesn't. Whats the most toxic hateful deck I could possibly build?

>>53038106
Stax obviously, but most T1 decks will crush any playgroup.

What exact decks is he playing?

>>53038162
Hannah artifact lockdown/orbs
A green ramp combo deck Selvala
A green/black/blue deck not sure about commander
Avacyn control/ramp/combo
And probably one other one

BRB gonna look up what stax means

>>53038218
None of these are top tier decks. Basically any well built competitive deck would probably obliterate any of those. You could build Yisan and beat him 99% of the time.

>>53038274
Selvala is the same tier as Yisan.

>>53038218
Stax means effectively preventing others to play magic, in a sense that they will be drained of resources to cast anything.
Key piece is Smokestack, where the term "stax" comes from. Other common stax pieces include Stasis, Kismet-effects, other forced constant saccing and Armageddon as well in some extent among others.
Making a good and extremely effective stax deck is hard and you have to dedicate the deck to it, not to mention that the optimal deck is gonna be expensive.
I don't think there's a exact explanation of a stax deck, which is why I'm answering. At least on my part, all I found was decklists with no discussion about terminology.

>>53038274
>>53038294
Thanks both of you for the discussion and explanations.
>>53038291
This anon is right though, Selvala is a tier 2 deck and he has her going off in 4-5 turns 75% of games with the other 25% being around 6-7, but that's likely due to lack of optimization since he only just built it.
All I have right now is slivers, which i understand is not very competitive, and jhoira, both are very poorly optimized and very in progress lol

>>53038381
It's a turn 3/4 deck, he really needs to step up his game if he wants to pubstomp.

>>53038413
I think he both knows and is going to. So which commander do I need to make the most toxic cancer filth op stax deck?

>>53038431
Derevi will definitely carry the most negative connotations.

>>53038431
>>53038537
GAAIV is always a good choice, as is Hokori

>>53036358
How is that even playable on a budget unless your playgroup lets you sculpt your opening hand?

>>53029867
I've seen him multiple times be completely wrong about the rules and shitting up threads trying to defend his incorrect statements.

The only acceptable tripfag in the context of /edhg/ is gA, simply because he's an actual judge and you don't want pseudo-intellectuals pretending to be him.

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>>53038431
There are more hated commanders, but there is no commander that is as staxxy as Super Stax Bros. If you want your cancer commander to specifically be staxxy, you go to them.

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>>53031833
>All lieges should be fucking banned
Even this extremely lovable guy?

>>53032052
I used to be a newbie like you then I took a basic land to the knee

>>53032726
You are responding to bait

>>53039468
What the fuck? He makes ANY lands a creature for FREE? What the fuck were wizards thinking?
>>53039475
I'm not new, I started last summer

>>53039475
i think cards that punishes your opponites for playing is not a very good political, basically painting a big target on your head.

Big difference between playing good cards and playing passive, sneaky, and political tho, and i prefer the ladder

>>53039577
Please stop, the bait became obvious hours ago

>>53030833
Wish i can help u more but that all i managed to do.
Unstable obelisk to much mana sac creature
Farsight its good but also dont give alot of advantage
Taniwha maybe?
Shifting loyalties because cost much just to gain control of two
Ponder because its sorcery
Gamble because its random but also its fun

>>53039577
ya, but it takes a full round for your opponites to respond to mr. tangle and they are creatures, as long as someone board wipes things will be fine

it is a fair win condition, there are others like insurrection

>>53028203
Yeah but that statement makes me a sad panda, people give too much shit to red planes because of the first three or four Chandras. Hey even she had some good cards.

>people arguing because I have a trip
Oh c'mon guys I was just trying to show red had some good planes, I hate when the color gets flack when it's all Wizards fault.

>>53029488
>Last time I played a game was on Easter
Kill me already

>>53039659
To be fair, connecting once with Rapunzel allows you to pretty much instantly win with Aggravated Assault

>>53030833
Anyone? Pls respond ;_;

>>53030833
How is Summoner's Egg a donate card? Am I missing some shenanigans here?

>>53040219
It's honestly more of a gift, don't know why I put it in the donate section. Nice catch.

The combo's with egg are phage, taniwha, sky swallower etc.

>>53038106
If it doesn't work, tone yourself down even more. Build Aetherborn tribal or RebeccaGuay.dec. Make his victories unsatisfying and his losses embarrassing.

Or just hand him a Scheme deck next time you meet up to play.

Seriously, an arms race is a bad idea. The banlist is explicitly designed on the assumption that players aren't tryhards.

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>tfw gruul omnath player literally does nothing but cultivate effects all game in the pod next to you
>tfw nobody can stop him
>tfw he wins, smirks , and says "well guess my deckbuilding is just that good! "

>>53040291
Oh I get it, when the Egg eventually dies the creature is put under the Egg controller's control.

When is a sub-theme of a deck too small? For example, is it worth it to put a single ghostly prison in a deck but no other pillowfort? How many cards is not enough to support a consistent theme?

>>53040316
You got it. I wish there was a card that gifted spells to opponents, but I doubt we'll ever see that. It would be too cool with final fortune.

>>53040311
If all he's doing are cultivate effects all game, then how come nobody can stop him? I run a Riku hyper-ramp deck, and one friend reacted and put Ruination in his daretti. Just run some disruption dude.

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>>53040311

>tfw I go to edh night, asked a newbie in my pod what he was playing
>"support"
>wut

Fucking kyanos and tiro.

>support?
>"yeah. I help people draw cards"

>what's your wincon?
>"win what? "

Mfw

>>53040407
Wait how does Ruination stopped Cultivate effects? Or did you mean LD in general?

>>53040383
Hive Mind is the closest I think. It+Final Fortune would make for a funny situation I think.

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I want to build a discard deck, but for the life of me, I can't pick what colours it should be. How do you like your discard anons?

>Rakdos Discard and Reanimator. Throw out a bunch of wheels, hate on everyone's hands, and laugh my way to the bank. Bonus points for reanimating sire of insanity and using Past In Flames. The candle that burns twice as bright only burns half as long, and I really want to introduce a splash of fling after the reanimator to get the most bang for my buck.

>Lazav hateful discard. I used to run a mill variant, but I just want this one to be pure unadulterated hand fuckery. While a Rakdos deck gets access to some snazzy red recursion and Bathor, this one would be all about wheels and reanimator. The other deck seems more... explosive with Dragon Mage and the like, but Lazav is literally perfect in every way.

>Grixis sorcery/instant discard with Jeleva. Best of both worlds, I get access to Dimir wheels, Past In Flames, all the usual black discard tech, and my commander synergizes with the strategy. On the downside, I wanted to run discard/reanimator, and I worry that I'm going to get too distracted with an endless legion of fatties and funstuff to choose from.

>>53040476
play nath you baka

>>53040511
But why? I've built Jarad, Meren, Mazirek, and Valroz. I'm a little Golari'd out, but if it's really the best option I'd look into it.

>>53040476
>>53040511
Go with "porqué no los dos?" and play Yidris with Nath, Sire of Insanity and Lazav in the 99.

>>53040567
4C manabases terrify me. Last 3 colour deck I built, I sorted through about 900 cards to get what I wanted. I can't even imagine how hard it would be to balance a 4C deck.

>>53040325
I'd say "one card" isn't a subtheme, it's just a silver bullet. If you've got a problem with token swarms, a miser's Prison (especially if you've got decent tutor/enchantment tutor effects to find it) isn't a bad choice, but it's not a subtheme by any means.

I'd say you need about 10 cards to have a 'subtheme'.

>>53040582
Its not really hard to balance, just more expensive and more prone to hate cards.

>>53040582
It'll probably be the same as building 5 color- you'll end up with 2 or 3 colors more heavily represented, so you'll focus on those, and basically be 'splashing' the others. Fetches, shocks, duals, checklands, Command Tower type effects are your friends.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/b-u-l-l-s-o-n-p-a-r-a-d-e/

So I had to shrink the Minotaur theme to a subtheme, but I get to play all the old shitty Rakdos cards I loved in High School, so that's neat. Suggestions welcomed.

>>53040454
I meant LD effects in general.

>>53027421
If you are European, never purchase anything from American card stores.

There's zero reason to use anything but MagicCardMarket

>>53040582
Yidris has UG in its color identity so you can safely skip a lot of nonbasics and rely on card draw and monoG basics ramp. About the card pool, I see it more as a bank of rotative cards you can always try if you like it. Also it has more room to wiggle on budget choices.

>>53027644
"903.10a: A player that's been dealt 21 or more combat damage by the same commander over the course of the game loses the game. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)"

So they are seperate commanders and are therefore tracked separately.

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>>53040707
>Skip a lot of nonbasics
>In a 4 color deck

>>53040754
Chill out Scudworth, I mean the most expensive ones. I play Yidris with basically Temples, Tri-lands and another bunch of taplands + Cultivate and friends and manafixing hasn't been a concern so far.

>>53040776
And your manabase is objectively weaker than if you had the good cards.

That doesn't make it -bad-, but telling someone "lol just use basics, Rampant Growth, and Concentrate, you don't need nonbasics" for a 4 color deck is fucking ridiculous.

Saying "You can get by with the cheaper nonbasics and leaning on green for your fixing" is a much better argument.

>>53040624
>>53040707
Alright, I'm intrigued. Are there any traps I should avoid falling into? Assuming my fetches are in use at the moment, how should I approach things? Whatever 5c mana rocks I have lying around and low casting cost game winners?

I have mean discard cards, like delirium skeins, hymn to touarch, memory jar, just about every wheel imaginable, all sorts of flying discard creatures and whatnot. Would reanimator be out of the question if I'm cheating out on the mana base?

>>53040444
He just wanted to surprise you with Labman, anon.

>Decide to go to my LGS for EDH night for the first time.
>this is the first time that I don't play with friends or online so its pretty new.
>im matched 1v1v1 against an Eight-and-a-half-tails and a Yaheeni. I'm running Rishkar.
>Turn two the Yaheeni locks us out with this "pay 1 black and deal 1 damage to everything" and constantly wipes both our boards.
>this is perfectly fine, we both have answers and are having fun, but the yaheeni player gloats the entire time. He was huge and smelly and kept laughing at "how shitty our decks were"
>we let him win the packs and then me and 8tails player play another game, refusing to rematch him because of his attitude
>the other players on the other tables catch on and play with us as well.

Is this a common thing? I dont mind crazy infinite combos just douches in general

>>53040444
>New guy shows up for EDH Night last Friday
>He cant stop smiling, and not in a smug, sneaky way, the autistic puppy kinda way where he's just happy to see you
>Pull up a chair and see he's playing Gay Kangs
>"Group Hug, guys. It's fun for everyone"
>Watch in abject horror as he ramps the Daretti player into a turn 4 Obliterate
>He still insists that it was a fun game
Why do people do this?

>>53041104
Any time you put prizes on the line, you're running the risk of attracting dickheads.

>>53041153
Usually because they've frequently been KO'd out of multiplayer games extremely early, or seen people miss a land drop and just struggle to stay in the game, and they genuinely dislike the idea of not everyone at the table getting a 'chance' to play Magic.

>>53040754
>he doenst know about 5c basic lands.dec

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I'm building a new deck with this guy as my commander. How bad a person does this make me?

If I have a stuffy doll out

And I put guilty conscience on it

And then drop a 10 damage Earthquake

Does the player chosen with Stuffy Doll take 30 damage?

>>53041364
Pretty gay family

>>53041364
You literally hate fun.

>>53027215
Chaos.dec

>>53040788
>You can get by with the cheaper nonbasics and leaning on green for your fixing
I meant to say that, sorry if it sounded otherwise. But yeah, I would love to have all shocks and fecthes in my colors Let's be realistic I'm too much of a poorfag to dream with actual duals

>>53040791
I don't think so, most of the reanimating spells are not so color heavy. XBB at max.

>>53041389
Stuffy Doll + Guilty Conscience = Destroy Target Player.
Earthquake doesn't do 30 damage because Stuffy Doll and Guilty Conscience does infinite damage on its own. 30 plus infinity is still just infinity.

>>53041389
No, they take damage until they lose.

>>53041364
GAAIV taxes is so tremendously boring.

>>53041389
Sorta. You, your opponent, and all non-flying creatures (including Stuffy Doll) will take 10. This will trigger Stuffy Doll, since it took damage, and it'll dome your opponent for 10. That'll trigger Guilty Conscience, doing 10 more damage to Stuffy Doll, which will hit your opponent for 10, which will trigger Guilty Conscience, etc.

So first, everything but fliers takes 10. Then you start a loop of Stuffy doing 10 to your opponent, then 10 to itself, then 10 to the opponent, until the opponent dies.

So with Momir you use Rashmi and others to mill your own deck and play Lab Man right?
What's the sequence of creatures to fetch?

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>What is your favorite part of your playgroup?
The banter. The decks may be slightly cancer, but we have fun cracking jokes for hours together, and that's all that matters to me.

>>53040307
This is a right answer, if you step up to a challenge you give him a figurative boner. He will spend few days searching the net for something even more broken to stomp you and spend his next monthly wage on it. If you don't enjoy that sort of thing, don't ever join a spiky playgroup.

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>>53041104
Was it this card?

And don't worry man. As a rule of thumb, players become more degenerate as prizes are introduced to win. Incentives shitty deck brews and behavior.

Try to find pods not playing for prizes, I can promise you play will be much more wholesome.

Gloating really depends on the player. If it's a new deck that's running well, I can understand being excited about new synergy and whatnot, that's fine. If it's a deck that just didn't work as intended, but a few key tweaks makes the deck hum, that's another reason to be excited and whatnot.

But calling other decks shitty and laughing like a douche, now come on. That's just an asshole, and it's pretty uncommon. Don't let that retard ruin the game for you, there's one at every shop. Just politely decline to play with him in the future, and if he responds with something like

" why? Is it because of the power level of my decks? ? Pssh"

just respond with something along the lines of

" no, to be honest I just prefer to play with people who don't actively smell offensive"

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>>53038431
Oloro hard control + aetherflux/felidar sovereign/test of endurance/celestial convergence/azors elocutors

Talrand 37 islands 63 counterspells / cantrips

Mogis slugfest/ stax (artifacts and enchantments that do continual damage , and shit that stops opponent from doing anything. Think cards like manabarbs, winter orb, static orb, copper tablet, lethal vapors, etc)

>>53041588
I have had almost that conversation before.

I decided I didn't care to play with a specific player, because he was a sore loser and a very cocky winner, and he'd bring pubstomp decks to our fun fuckaround table and act like King Shit when Animar comboed out on turn 3 against 2 Tribal decks and a gimmicky goof deck. He asked to join a game I was shuffling up for, and I declined. He actually asked "What, my decks too good for you?" and I said "Nah, it's cause you're a dick."

>>53041588
yeah it was exactly that card. had it on turn two thanks to sol ring. I already had 3 dorks on the board and the 8tails dude was playing some sort of voltron but yeah, he locked us out.
he then played sheoldred, which was pathed by 8tails, but he played the kaladesh demon and reanimated her. needless to say we couldnt really do much

When do we get the new 1v1 banlist?

>>53041364
better be able to lock down the field, otherwise you will die from hate

>>53041831
who cares

Any recommendations for my Neheb deck?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nehebs-mad-bulls/

Which is more fun and more budget friendly? Looking for about 100$ for a simic combo deck like Momir or Rashmi

>>53041878
people who play mtgo
>>53041916
rashmi because momir is so consistent that you will be taking the deck apart sooner or later
and buying staples for two decks is more expensive than one

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>>53041916
>$100 combo deck

>>53041897
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nehebs-mad-bulls/
your tribe is bad and poorly supported
39 lands and only 4 draw spells is bad even if you are planning on being hellbent, you still dont want to faceplant into all of those lands

>>53041897
Personally I started the Minotaur route, but most of them aren't great. I'd trim down a few and add more reanimation.

>>53041963
>>$100 combo deck
>Peregrine Drake
50 cents
>Deadeye nav
50 cents

congrats you are on track to build a 50 dollar combo deck

>>53041790
>exiled by path
>later reanimated

Something's fucky

>>53042022
oh wait you're right he sacced it to yaheeni or one of his other sac effects

>>53042019
Okay, you have a 1 dollar infinite mana combo.

Now you need to put in ways to turn that mana into an actual kill, ways to find and protect your combo, redundancies, and possibly OTHER combos, as well as your land base, for 100 dollars.

Have fun.

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>>53041742
Happy to hear it, players like that fucking suck. It's OK to have a pubstomp deck, but for Christ sake just read the table and run a gimmicky deck if everyone else is playing goofy.

>>53041790
Ouch. Yeah, that sounds bad.

Honestly man, don't let those kinda players ruin edh for you.

In my experience I found that for every asshole, there are 3 chill dudes just lookin for a fun matchup.

Sorry you had to deal with that kind of player first match at your lgs

>>53041878
I want to see if wizards would be capable of understanding what should and shouldn't be banned in EDH. If I see what they make of the 1v1 banlist I can decide if the format would be better or worse off with them in charge of the relevant multiplayer banlist, instead of the RC.

>>53027215
From actually disrupting their combos you fucking baby

>>53042065
Absolutely. I don't fault someone for playing a stronger deck or wanting more cutthroat games. I won't even fault someone for bringing a deck to a game that ended up WAY lower power than they expected, as long as they're not assholes about it. But when you start crowing about how you're the best player in the shop (big fish, small pond) because you happened to google "BEST EDH DECK?!??!?!?!" and copy-paste the list, while everyone else is just trying to have fun?

Fuck immediately off.

>>53042070
The RC has no say on the 1v1 banlist. French Commander and Commander are two different formats governed by different people. The RC doesn't even acknowledge the existence of Duel Commander.

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>>53027215
S T A X

>>53042105
Yeah no shit, read my comment again.
With this list, we can see if WotC is actually capable at managing a format like commander.

>>53042147
It doesn't matter whether or not they're "capable". They've said they're happy to let the RC handle the ban list. If WOTC were to handle it, there's a shitload of "Just don't be a dick" cards that would get banned overnight.

>>53042147

Considering WOTC doesn't understand why people enjoy edh over modern/standard, fat chance

>>53042045
Lol, it legitimately blows my mind how many autistic edh players think it's impossible to have a real deck for under $100.

>>53042213
It's possible, but you're severely gimping yourself with a budget that low, especially if you want to build a "combo deck". If your definition of "real deck" is 'actually threatening combo deck' and not 'pile of shitty draft chaff with one combo and no redundancies or protection', then sure, you can build a 'real deck' with your Good Boy Points.

>>53042232
but its fun to build on a budget. when you beat others with big expensive decks with your budget one it feels even better

>>53042285
You seem to be trying to argue something I'm not arguing.

It is possible to build decks on a budget.

It is possible to build decent decks on a budget.

It can be enjoyable to force yourself to build the best deck you can on a budget, because restrictions breed creativity.

It can be enjoyable to beat an expensive goodstuff deck with your budget deck.

I am not disagreeing with you on any of that. I'm saying if your intent is "I wanna build a super sweet awesome U/G combo deck, but my maximum budget is a AAA game and dinner at Chili's", you're going to struggle to make the deck as good as you WANT it to be. It's entirely possible to build a deck on a budget, but by definition it will be weaker than if it didn't have one. Although 100 is at least a decent budget- too often I see people wanting a "competitive" deck with like a 40 or 50 dollar budget.

>>53042232
>that low
I mean, are you Donald Trump tier rich or do you just have literally no responsibilities or priorities in life and can just dump money into this game? You could have way cooler things for $100 than a magic deck, fact.

>>53042328
>40 dollar dinner at Chili's
What the fuck.

>>53042343
Should've been "Dinner for two", my bad.

>>53042331
1) Donald Trump is not rich.

2) If you're in a position where spending 100 dollars on your hobby conjures images of "super rich people", Magic is not the hobby for you.

>>53042331
Fuck off you goon, I feed my kids these cards.

>>53042357
But my $60 EDH deck beats decks that cost 10x the price on a regular basis so maybe you and the people I beat are just irresponsible with their money and keep dumping money into a game that helps them validate their worth in their own minds?

>>53042382
what deck?

>>53042331
If 100$ is a lot to you then maybe you should get a job.

Is there any reason to run only one of the enemy colored partners? For example, Thrasios instead of Thrasios/Kydele? Or Tymna instead of Tymna/Ravos.

>>53042419
I have a Daretti, a Wrexial, an Ashling and a Surrak deck, all of which were under $100 and perform very well at the LGS against much more expensive decks.

>>53042382
Money replaces a very finite amount of skill. I could hand a thousand dollar combo deck to a gibbering moron and they'd lose 9 games out of 10 to a precon because they're bad.

Not everyone who can afford to spend more than 50 dollars on their hobby is "irresponsible with money". Maybe they just like foiling out their goofy ass decks and know they're not very good. Maybe the money they spend on Magic is well-spent to them because they have fun, and it's no different than going out for drinks with friends, or playing golf- it's a HOBBY, it's something they do for fun with their free time and disposable income.

If your 60 dollar deck beats people with 600 dollar decks, either they aren't trying to win, or you're a much better player than them. You could win even harder without that budget. You're not winning BECAUSE of your budget, you're winning DESPITE it. And if you consider anyone who spends more money than you on a game to be "irresponsible" and "dumping money into a game that helps them validate their own worth", you need to fill in that massive fucking chip in your shoulder or get a new hobby where you don't project your self-loathing over your budget onto other people.

>>53042131
>lying and cheating leads to becoming a god
creationist are a weird bunch