/exg/ - Exalted General

>>52963220
Previous thread.

>>53010514

Well, judging by the picture and nothing else, I'd say they should stop shopping on tumblr for villains, because that haircut screams tumblr to me.

>>53010572
They're Onyx Path. They don't just shop at Tumblr, they LIVE there.

When was the last time there was an Exalted Quest or Play By Post on 4chan?

>>53010572
Looks too much like pre-op brain surgery for me.

But that's just personal taste - there's no reason NOT to have it in exalted either, unless you have a Samson like hair armour charm or something.

>>53010514

It creates a steady drip of content that we can dissect and discus. Which is better than the previous model of releasing something maybe once a year with no communication with the community in the mean time.

Why do rules lite homos talk like born again Christians?

>>53011392
Because even I have to admit that the upticks of rules lite systems, when discovered, can feel like you've found Jesus if you've been struggling with crunch.

>Desus commissioned a neverending staircase and put it on Lilith's side of the bed
ahahaha

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I want a plant that produces a pacifying pollen, it keeps everybody in the area who can't resist it from taking any aggressive action unless they or their allies have aggressive actions taken against them. It should still keep people from taking aggressive actions when confronted with things like having their stuff stolen(not directly from them, but getting your things taken from a vault, for example) and should instill a general calmness in everyone affected beyond just preventing aggressive actions.

What do you guys think the best way of doing this is? I'm not sure whether to just tell people they can't do certain things if they fail a resistance roll unless they spend willpower, or if maybe I should use the social system and give them a temporary principle, with the intensity depending on how well they resist the physical effect, and particularly vulnerable people also getting an automatic instill action thrown against them to keep them calm.

>>53011524
>every morning he awoke, he did it with a shove of her off the side
>when he returned home he'd rescue her from it, and then beat her for not having dinner ready
>thus was the cycle of Desus

Friendly reminder that the Perfect of Paragon did nothing wrong.

Where do people go to find Exalted games online? 3e or 2.5e, I don't mind.

>>53011980

He... well...

Okay, compared to most rulers, he's not that bad. The inferiority complex is probably gonna make him into more of a monster though - especially if he ever learns that his Solar follower can wring massively more power out of the Staff than he can.

Although, if he finds the Eye, that power-sharing could wind up better for him in the long run. Accepting a proper measure of humility, and later doing something heroic, he might finally get that Exaltation he always wanted.

>>53011861
Are you making this as a ST or as a Player?

Is it a sorcerous working?

>>53011901
Thanks to the video in the last thread, I'm now imagining Desus having the voice of Mr Punch.

He'd chide Lillith again and again in his squeaky little rages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6LmZ0A1s9U

>>53012026
He. Did. Nothing. Wrong.

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>>53011980
>>53012026

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InternetBackdraft

>>53012016
I wish I knew anon.
Maybe we should get a form going of people's gaming preferences and match people into groups?

>>53012128
There's the eternal "who's going to ST", though. Unless it'd be possible to run some kind of a wacky council of STs thing that run events to a group of player characters or somesuch.

>>53012016
>>53012128

Theres a bunch of chats online, but they will literally give you full blown AIDS because they're absolutely terrible in every possible fucking way.

Sometimes people try to start up games here, but they also seem to be games for wankers-Literally. Why people would come to 4chan for ERP shit is beyond me.

>>53012202
Maybe split the roles to lighten the load?
So one person plays all the NPCs the setting, and another is rules judge, and also backup ST?

I hate the north.
Worst direction, the addition of ice muslims and undead Mongolians did nothing.

>>53012027
I'm the ST, I'm not 100% sure on whether it should be a sorcerous working, the effects of a potent artifact or some sort of combination of both. I'm thinking at least Celestial in the case of a working.

>>53012222
You are seriously asking why people come to 4chan to ERP? Really?

>>53010674
The same Exalted Quest is still running on the quest board.

>>53012309

Yeah, but mostly because I don't "understand" ERP. Why not just watch some porn? Also, it's 4chan. Do you really want to jerk it to the people who visit 4chan?

>>53012306
Ah, much easier, if you are the ST, you only need to care about its effect on the players and their retinue.

You can abstract away the rest of the effects on the populace until/ unless you think the PCs will use its power.

First most obvious question - ignore the rules - do you have any problem players who will react badly to it in any situation?

Can you avoid making the warriors think its going to a fighting situation, and the pulling the rug under them? Can they be coming up with interesting ways to do things non-violently? E.g. lifting someone up and letting the ground hurt them.

Do any of your players have Integrity charms? Are you going to steal their spotlight?

This plant would be extremely useful for replicating the Eclipse ambassador ability - will they be able to gather it up later?

If not, can you come up with a good reason why not?


Mechanics are easy unless you are a fan or developer trying to balance it for all tables - we need to know your table first.

>>53012016
Realistically you don't, and when you do the quality of the games tends to be catastrophically low.

If I'm going to run a game online then I'm going to go around first and ask each of my previous GMs and players, people I know and trust to not be bad at roleplaying, obnoxious, and not flaky. Then, assuming I have some extra room I'll ask them to canvas their circles for people they vouch for.

Honestly look at the quality of people posting in the Game Finder on /tg/. Or if you want to lose all hope in humanity put up an ad on Roll20 for any game system and watch the awful, awful applications roll in.

>>53012319
Could I have a link please?

>>53012449
No, I only wandered over there last month out of curiosity. I don't want to go back into that cesspit. Use the catalog and search function to find it yourself.

>>53012417
What about putting a note up at your FLG?
Is there an app/website out there that allows you to put your rough physical location for RL games?

Alternatively, how do you introduce your existing friends into RPGs?

>>53012362
>Why not just watch some porn?
Because it's not as fun/stimulating
you're not jerking it to the 4channer, you're jerking it to what they write.

>>53012475
Doesn't seem to be in /qst/ arvice or catalog?

>>53012066
Kind of. He's in the extended process of doing something incredibly horrible, which is made up of a bunch of wrong shit.

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>>53012416
I'm still getting to know my players, but they all seem very reasonable, I'd have to go out of my way to make them react badly to this.

I actually don't have anybody so dedicated to combat that I'd say they're just a warrior, the two most combat-focused characters have Athletics and Stealth as their supernal and a good amount of non-combat investment besides, so they should have a few options on what they'll do to get around things. Also, they'll have some idea of what they're up against beforehand, so they shouldn't be fully caught by surprise anyway.

Not much investment in integrity that I know of, some resistance, though, which I'm thinking would be the first line of defense. Either way, I won't mind somebody managing to resist it, it won't be an ideal situation to do take violent action anyway if it's just one or two of them who can do so

It's basically one big plant, can't grow more of it and I'm pretty sure they have no way of moving the entire thing around.

>>53012483
> What about putting a note up at your FLG?
Not a bad idea. I'd vet them before playing, take them out for coffee and find out if their style meshes with yours. It's also a good way to find out if they have any social graces or if they'll start ranting about 4chan, anime, politics, edition wars, or other stupid shit at the drop of a hat.

> Is there an app/website out there that allows you to put your rough physical location for RL games?
Your town might have a Meetup. You could also attend some sort of organized play event (D&D Adventurer's League, WoD's Minds Eye Theatre) or RPG night at a FLGS and let people know you put up a flyer looking for players for other sorts of games. You'll find most people aren't married to one system. Besides in my experience people don't really mind you stealing a few minutes of theirs if you're polite and smile. And if they do, they've easily filtered themselves out!

> Alternatively, how do you introduce your existing friends into RPGs?
Just ask? Most people have heard about D&D, it's been around for 30 years now and it was even in pop culture TV shows a couple years back. I always talked about RPGs with my buddies and got hype about it the same we talk about video games, drinking, karaoke, and all the other fun little hobbies we have. Communicate your enthusiasm and passion to your friends and then ask them to join in. Most people will give you a chance if you ask nicely. Just make sure to do your best and use your one chance to make an impression well.
t. Dude that's been playing for 15 years, since middle school, and gotten ~20 people and all his poor girlfriends into RPGs.

>>53012417
What would you say would be good vetting guidelines when picking Exalted players that aren't total garbage?

>>53012674
Might be a good place to build a base around, but that's not a bad thing.

>Either way, I won't mind somebody managing to resist it, it won't be an ideal situation to do take violent action anyway if it's just one or two of them who can do so

Ah good, in that case, I'd say a temporary principle of non-violence, probably increasing from minor up to major once you touch the trunk.

Also unless your story really requires it. I'd make it extremely clear through Lore, Occult, Survival rolls / NPCs what this thing is and does before they get into its range.

>>53012812
Where are you from? Is this a cultural thing?

>>53012812
Thanks for the advice?

Do you think jumping straight into Exalted would be too much, or would a few short tasters of DnD be better first? I mean I could run people through the new Exalted quickstart?

>>53012920
>Thanks for the advice?
*!

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>>53012865
It's actually in use by a certain wood aspect and her people, so they'll have some idea of the fucky things it does before they even get to see it, and if they've got the right rolls then they'll definitely be awarded with a better understanding of it.

>>53013011
Sounds great anon!

Will they have reason to attack this wooden aspect? Because if so, they'll probably burn the forest down a safe distance from the plant.

>>53013164
No forest to burn, this whole thing's actually in a bit of an odd position. They definitely want to fight the wood aspect, though, destruction of the plant is secondary at best.

Thanks for the help with this!

>>53010572
>>53010604
>traditional warrior-type haircut used by lots of cultures
>obviously fashion in Exalted has never been 'exotic'
>must be tumblr REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
You faggots just be glad that they've moved away from using anime from as heavy a source of inspiration.

>>53013297
Huh, what avenues are you letting them attack her then? You said earlier

>it won't be an ideal situation to do take violent action anyway if it's just one or two of them who can do so

If it's explicitly a combat situation then you need to head off them thinking the plant won't affect them because they're Exalted or Solar.

Maybe introduce them to a sprig in a sealed jar that gives them a strong twinge, but lasts least than a turn, so the don't get the idea for peace grenades. Or if one has the right skills, just the sample and they can work out if effects exalted.

Or make it so mortals are so heavily affected by this thing, that it screws them up for the rest of their lives, so the PCs are so much better by comparison.

Basically don't make them expect a fight without foreshadowing a different way to fight. Twists work in books, but requires a very strong level of trust between the STs and Players.

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>>53013437
The party has a few options, some directly related to the odd position this thing's in, and most of them are cleverer than I am so I wouldn't be surprised by them blindsiding me with something unexpected.

Most everybody survives encounters with this lady, including other dragon blooded which have been affected, they'd know it's not enough just to be Chosen.

>>53013711
Cool one tip I can give for an off the rail party is writing up your existing locations and NPCs in a way that makes them easy to reuse in other situations and easy to retweak.

If you program, it's like refactoring your code to make it a reusable toolkit.

E.g. if you have a really interesting city planned up north, make sure at least half its features can be pulled out and reused in an cluster of caravanserai if the players go south.

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>>53013813
I'm currently keeping the PCs mostly manageable by giving them a stable job and overarching goal which they'll hopefully want to focus on for a while. It won't hold them forever, and that's fine, but for now I can at least predict their most general movements and plan accordingly.

>>53012417

It really depends.

Like after a lot of trail and error, I managed to find several good online groups I play with.

I've been at this for about 10 years, so it was after much trail and error I got several.

My advice is go ahead and try applying. YOLO it, learn from the bad keep the good.

>>53012830

Grab whoever, let them play a bit, if they turn out to be massive shitters, toss them, then find another.

>>53013370
>You faggots just be glad that they've moved away from using anime from as heavy a source of inspiration.

Why would I be glad about that? The whole setting was steeped in it since 1E. Removing it was a fucking mistake.

>>53014138

You kidding?

I had a guy in my group who refused to touch 2e because of the anime art.

He's hyped as hell for 3e.

>>53014216
surprise surprise, people have different tastes in aesthetics.

Personally I'm glad they toned it back a little bit but equally glad they didn't remove it entirely.

>>53014216
>refusing to touch something solely based on the art style
Sounds like he's a faggot.

>>53014216
>I had a guy in my group who refused to touch 2e because of the anime art.

Wow, sounds like a shitter to me. Exalted has always had a pretty wide spread of art, but it usually had at least a good amount of anime influenced art. But playing a game because you don't like the art is a bit fuckin' retarded.

>>53014660
Not playing a game because you don't like the art, I mean.

>>53013370

My worry is that they're moving away from mythology (especially non-western mythology) as an inspiration too, more generally.

Like, in 1e, it was supposed to be the prehistory of the World of Darkness, which in turn was supposed to be based on reality (with a bunch of hidden shit), so there was a lot of stuff in Exalted that was directly based on mythology in that sort of "yeah Gilgamesh was a Solar and Enkidu was his Lunar buddybro" way, you were supposed to be able to see the connections. They used recurrent themes and archetypes in mythology to base aspects of the setting on (like the different types of Exalted), and it lent the whole thing a sort of... primal authenticity? A sense of weight? It's hard to describe, but I was able to sense it the very first time I saw the 1e core book in a shop and picked it up and flicked through.

Then in 2e they dropped that and the setting stands on its own now, and as things have developed further I feel like the setting is developing in a way that it's gradually losing that mythic quality and becoming... just another fantasy setting, really.

I'm not sure, it's just a feeling.

>>53014778
"Secret prehistory of the WoD" was scrapped before the 1e launch. The STC discusses this. Presently, we still have a tradition of cross-easter eggs between the settings, but they don't go very deep. They're more just name drops.

>>53014778
>I'm not sure, it's just a feeling.

You're not the only one having that feeling. The more they try to compress the power levels of the game the less heroic and less epic and less whatever other term for "glowing demigods having kung fu fights" you want to apply, the game feels. It used to be a game of "You can do big things right now!" and is slowly turning into "You're a level 1 Exalt, better level up so you can fight those ogres!" with each new edition.

>>53014871

Supernal is a way to do big things right now. Unless you mean things like fighting Deathlords as soon as the game starts, which I'll maintain in any edition is a terrible idea. Even with sane stats they've been portrayed as one of the only big active threats in setting outside the realm

>>53014858

Acknowledged, but that's not really too relevant to the issue being raised. The idea was there as a basis, at least, and all it is is an example of how/why things are moving from where it started to where it's looking to end up.

>>53014216

You don't want to play with that person.

>>53014931
Also Essence 1 Charms are actually pretty good. In Melee, for instance, Dipping Swallow Defense, One Wapon, Two Blows and an Excellency go a long way.

>>53014871
To be fair Holden and Morke literally reached for the Sun by turning it into a giant Robot in 2E, as well as the broken Sidereal martial arts.

If you increase the top of the scale, the little things become more mundane, but you need those mundane things to make you feel epic.

Has anyone here only got into Exalted after 2012? Wondering if everyone here got into it from 2E.

I first learned of it reading Keychain Of Creation.

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>>53015366
>Has anyone here only got into Exalted after 2012? Wondering if everyone here got into it from 2E.

Been here since day 1 of 1E. Feels bad after seeing what the games gone through, man. The mechanics are finally good, but the fluff took a nosedive starting with 1E Players Guide and hasn't really pulled up out of it.

>>53015366
I got into it less than a year ago when I got frustrated over not knowing what the hell people were talking about in a completely unrelated fanfic.

>>53015366

Was Scroll of the Monk Holdens doing?

>Keychain Of Creation

My Anathema. Got into it in the same way.

>>53014778
I get what you mean and this is one of the reasons why Exalted had such a long-lasting appeal for me despite barely getting to play it and hating the system. Exalted has lost more and more of that mythic feel and style over the editions, moving toward more magitek and posthuman rubber-band scifi plus cosmic concept in 2e. Now 3e seems increasingly moving toward generic fantasy which is hilarious when you recall people once tried to sell Exalted on how it "wasn't D&D".

I try to look back at the 1st Ed books, back when it was more mythology+sword&sorcery with a dash of anime but it's hard to do so because whenever I see something not explained by the 1e corebook my mind automatically jumps to the 2e interpretation as opposed to seeing ideas for what I could do with it if I was to run a game. 2nd Ed cast a shadow over 1st, sadly.

How many of you would agree with me when I say that Occult is probably the most powerful ability overall? And how many of you would disagree?

Need to heal someone? I can summon a demon to do that, or maybe a water elemental. Need to fight a war? Summon an army. Most any skillset the party is lacking can be made up for by summoning a spirit with that skillset. And sorcerous workings can accomplish so much bullshit.

>>53015641
To me, it's not moving towards generic fantasy, but more towards PULP fantasy. And in so doing, honestly feels like it's gained BACK a lot of that mythic feel.

>>53015641
3e isn't moving towards generic fantasy at all.

>>53015641
>>53015723
One of the most hilarious things about the 3E book was seeing that they listed 'Game of Thrones' as one of their influences.
These guys used to be White Wolf. They used to pride themselves on coming at things from a different perspective, from not being so 'mainstream' (whether or not they ever really achieved that is majorly up for debate, but it was clearly part of their image), and here they are, desperately me-too-ing the modern standard image of what fantasy is.
Top. Fucking. Kek.
Seeing Generic Viking Girl #64354 up there as one of their villains makes the generification even more blatant.

>>53015845
>One of the most hilarious things about the 3E book was seeing that they listed 'Game of Thrones' as one of their influences.

Game of Thrones is a meme at this point, but it's not generic fantasy.

>Seeing Generic Viking Girl #64354 up there as one of their villains makes the generification even more blatant.

Motherfucker northerners have always looked like that.

>>53015900
>GoT
>not generic fantasy.
Is your measure of 'generic fantasy' stuck in 1977?

>>53015923
>Is your measure of 'generic fantasy' stuck in 1977?
>implying generic D&D style fantasy has really changed much, if at all, from that point

I'm not a fan of GoT, but it's not generic.

>>53015944
>it's not generic.
It absolutely is.

>>53015723
>3e isn't moving towards generic fantasy at all.

Flattening the power curve is definitely a move towards it. Part of what distinguished Exalted was you were wildly powerful compared to most everything else, even fresh out of the gate. Yeah, you weren't gonna skullfuck a Deathlord or anything, but you could chew through most anything but the tippest top echelon of bullshit.

>>53016060

It's kind of the same here. Depending on your Supernal you can basically tackle some of the biggest things in the setting off the bat. Supernal Twilight Crafters can make Art 5's pretty much immediately out of the gate

>>53015944
>I'm not a fan of GoT, but it's not generic.

I don't know if it's generic or not, but I do know it's poorly written murderporn that thrives on making characters as reprehensible as possible and random shock value deaths every 2 pages to the point it makes Crossed look like a well written masterpiece.

>>53016044
ok lol

>>53016080
Oh yeah, I totally agree there. Like I said, I ain't a fan of it overall. I kind of get what bits from it would actually be useful for Exalted (the squabbling and warring noble houses), but the story and tone are just bleeeeeeegh.

>>53016060
This isn't really true because all the other entities on the same tier have also been moved down in power. There is nothing you cannot do between essence 1-5, high essence is no longer a separate tier of play, the solar charmset is designed to let you beat the highest gods in a competition (outracing the maiden of journeys, etc), and you start with a Supernal ability right out of the gate and more charms than you'd have in previous editions.

Ergo, the Solar Exalted are even more powerful than they were in 1e - there was really no way to compete with elders except being an elder yourself - the only difference is Dragon-Blooded are actually a threat to you, and elder power is expressed in breadth and resources rather than just throwing insurmountable pools of dice at you.

Everything a Solar could do in 1e they can still do in 3e, so I don't buy this 'flattening the curve' bullcrap, unless you mean they can't laugh off dozens of DBs anymore because they happened to use the 1e one true build. Which is good, because it actually matches the lore now - like Dragon-Blooded were always depicted as a threat not to be taken lightly, but the mechanics didn't match that. Unless, of course, you decided to build to concept rather than melee + dodge, then you were fucked.

A 1e Solar with brawl or resistance was just garbage compared to the God Build.

>>53016080
At least it's not Sword of Truth '200 pages of BDSM in the first book' or Wheel of Time 'Mind-control, pet play, forniphilia, and magical rape everywhere'.

>>53010514

This gets me thinking: how common is it for a mortal to run into an exalted? How has she not picked a fight with Dragon-Blood only to get pushed in neck-deep into a snowbank or comically shoved aside like a rag doll?

>>53017076
I didn't realize those two series were so interesting.

>>53017369
There's ~20,000 DBs in Creation, and Creation is huge.

Unless you're living in the Realm, where your lord is or knows some Exalt, or in Lookshy, or in a very big city, or in some forgotten villages where a lost egg decided to lord over you, a mortal will probably never see an exalted in his entire life.

Gods, spirits, elementals, or ghosts are far more common. Most peasants will know at least one local godling/elemental/ghost, though not always personally. The common sense is that if it looks like a human but has power, it's a god.

The distinction between the different kinds of spirit and exalt is purely intellectual. Most mortals in creation only see something with awesome power, to be venerated, praised, or avoided.

>How has she not picked a fight with Dragon-Blood only to get pushed in neck-deep into a snowbank or comically shoved aside like a rag doll?

Because... she had no reason to attack a DB? She was some street rat from nowhere. When you're a thief you don't steal from the divine people who can make you burn with a glance, it's poor life style. Even if there were one in the vicinity, which is probably false.

>>53017538
>When you're a thief you don't steal from the divine people who can make you burn with a glance,
>"To see a Keeper is not an easy thing. Especially one who does not wish to be seen."

>>53017457
WoT is Jordan's magical realm.

It has a society build around the idea of enslaving female magic users with magical collars to use them in war/society, and a rather long part where one of the fiery main female is enslaved like a pet.

It has one of the main villain who use mind control to dominate princes and princesses to be her foot slave. A mind-control spell backfire and she is last seen 'worshiping' another MC.

The queen of the local kingdom? She was mind-controlled by another villain and forced to wear skimpy dresses in court (not making this up).

The main association of female magic users contracts men through a magically binding contract. They effectively act like pets/harem.

There is an incredibly amount of BDSM through magic. A ridiculous number of characters (often villains, often female) end enslaved, bound to a magical contract, mind-controlled, or just thoroughly humiliated.

>>53017711
Aren't almost all the female magic users incredibly feisty personality-wise too?

>>53017867
Less feisty and more 'unreasonably bitchy and retarded'

this applies to the men too

fuck WoT

>>53014138
>Why would I be glad about that?
Because then the roll of characters would be filled with spiky haired bastards and scary little girls.

>>53014216
To contrast, I've had an Exalted player practically shout at me that I HAD to know anime, if I wanted to understand the game. After I asked what "shinigami eyes" were.

>>53014778
While they may not seem to be drawing from real life mythology as much, I feel like they're treating it as more of a grab bag that they can draw from to make the world more unique in its own right.

>>53015366
Has anyone here only got into Exalted after 2012?
I can't remember exactly when I got into the game, but it was before 1e Sidereals was released. 2012 would be closer to the time I drifted away from the game and community, but I've been through it all... Discussions about whether the Sidereals were evil bastards. Whether Solars are inherently good. Whether the shit with Lillun was really that over the top... the one I mentioned in the previous thread, about whether houses fall apart when you pick them up (you'll ALL be happy to know it was just as contentious an issue 10 years ago as it is now)

Shit! I argued with Holden himself about the issue of Craft Bloat back when he was just another fan like you and me. And the real irony is, he ended up on my side in the end. Though to be fair I don't like 1 skill per craft either, but have always been against 1 skill for ALL crafts more.

>>53015448
I love 3e myself. I read the fluff and feel the same 'magic' of the setting as I did when I was first introduced to it in 1e. But I suppose we all have different opinions on where 2e went wrong. Mine are that, while it was great at first, having EVERYTHING explained in detail took a lot of the awe and mystery from things. While making the rules asshole-proof by over writing them to the hilt, and re-writing the entire rule system to prevent stupid things like "The Creation Slaying Oblivion Kick".

>>53015620
>Was Scroll of the Monk Holdens doing?
kek, no

That was way before the Ink Monkeys were even a thing, let alone he became an official writer.

>>53014931

Almost, except charm-trees are so long now, it's
almost impossible to start with a capstone in your supernal, and if you do, your character's not going to have much else.

>>53017897
>whether the Sidereals were evil bastards. Whether Solars are inherently good

I prefer to think every faction in exalted is in the right.

Wyld Folk want to destroy Creation because it is abomination to ever-changing chaos.
Primordials wanted to scrap the Creation and start over because certain parameters left their initial purpose. (They wanted permanency. Change and chaos is Wyld)
Gods sided with Creation because they were more attached to it than to primordials.
Sidereals killed of Solars because Great Curse was getting worse and worse (you even have ingame mechanic for great curse)
DragonBlooded want to unite the Creation because they know what threatens it. Solars should be killed on spot because do you really want to have a lose canon that can reduce cities to ashes because he woke on the wrong side of bed.
Lunars don't want civilization because it worked so well the first time.

>>53017711

The amount of sheer wrong in there is sort of impressive all on it's own.

There was one society who trapped female magic users in collars - but it was from a faraway land, was generally antagonistic, and most of the rest of the setting was ruled-by-proxy by the same female magic users.

Villains are bad. Wow, gee, shocking.

And of the female magic users bonding men, only 1/7th of them were implied to have any sexual relationship with them. For all the others, they were just bodyguards.

The Faile bit was just boring though. Sanderson should have taken over three books earlier.

>>53017897
>Though to be fair I don't like 1 skill per craft either, but have always been against 1 skill for ALL crafts more.

I don't understand why they don't have a single craft skill, and then specialties. Isn't that like, the whole concept of specialties?

You wanna know what's really depressing? The sheer weight of human beings on 4chan who have so thoroughly bought into the contrarian mentality that they actually, genuinely BELIEVE the parroting, reflexive bullshit they vomit everywhere.

>>53018100
What?

>>53018052
I think they just wanted to maximize the number of system hooks to hang craft charms off of.

Plenty of abilities means plenty of 1-to-5 values to fiddle with.

So basically :
>that's too simple, make it more fiddly!

>>53018100
Yeah I hate people who pretend to like rules lite systems too.

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>>53018040
Wut m8. You're trolling, right? Right? You can't be that stupid, right? Right?

Nobody says WoT is misogynistic or misandrist or shit. What people say is it is magical realm all the way down, and it is.

>There was one society who trapped female magic users in collars - but it was from a faraway land, was generally antagonistic,

They have pet sorceress. With magical collars. Broken. Enslaved. Delicious pet sorceress. With pet play. This does things to my dong.

>and most of the rest of the setting was ruled-by-proxy by the same female magic users.

Who have pet sex slaves too.

>Villains are bad. Wow, gee, shocking.

Delicious forniphilia with my princesses serving as chairs and couches. Very delicious.

Delicious enslaved queen, then humiliated, then enslaved again. Delicious.

>And of the female magic users bonding men, only 1/7th of them were implied to have any sexual relationship with them. For all the others, they were just bodyguards.

Only 1/7 of my mind-controlled slaves are sex slaves. It ain't magical realm bruh!

Also Gai'shain, another way to mind-control, bind and humiliate people. Also BDSM with invisible air threads, which is a very cool way to BDSM imho.

Here's the truth: most females in WoT will find themselves either bound, mind-controlled, enslaved, or humiliated at some point. And they will also humiliate, bind, enslave, or mind-control at some point too. At that, at least, it's true gender equality.

>>53015366
I'm only getting into it now and lurking these threads to help myself figure it out.

I got invited to Only War but it slowly fell apart and Exalted was a system I'd had an interest in so I've been reading up on it and offered to potentially run it for some old group members.

So, I know Single Point is amazing at killing things dead instantly, and I know Black Claw is amazing for playing a weird socialite who starts fights to win you over, and Ebon Shadow is basically the thing that you're doing as a close-range Stealth person.

Any experience with the other styles, in terms of viability? I feel like Snake and Crane are cute conceptually but would falter if you actually went deep into them, Tiger is too expensive to actually use except in epic combats where its shtick (chasing down and murdering cowards) is hard to apply without Nightingale cheese, meat is meat, and Dreaming Pearl Courtesan is an awesome style if you don't mind never using any other style because it's so aggressively incompatible.

White Reaper seems like a one-trick pony where that trick is "vs. battle groups," which is a little too narrow, IMHO. Silver-Voiced Nightingale suffers from Dreaming Pearl's problem, you're heavily incentivized to never master another style. Meat is meat. Righteous Devil is okay if you don't mind playing exactly the character it wants you to play.

Steel Devil is bad in awesome wrapping paper.

Basically just seems like it's Single Point, Ebon Shadow, and Black Claw or nothing, but that's all armchair. I know no one actually plays Exalted, so just lie to me, give me actual play experiences that (ideally) offer hope for different styles or at least confirm that Martial Arts aren't really a great Solar choice in 3E.

>>53017959

>a capstone
>implying there's more than one

Nigga unless you're going for a Craft Supernal or a Steel Devil Supernal, you're going to reach a capstone in something pretty easily.

There's more than one capstone in abilities themselves even. Immortal Blade, Invincible Fury of the Dawn and Over-and-Under Method in Melee are three charms that I'd say are capstone worthy due to the explosive power within each of them. Getting any one of these isn't that difficult and you should have more than enough charms to spread out in what you want left over. Likewise gunning for being one of the fastest people or the strongest with Athletics? Sure, that can happen both at chargen very easily.

If you try to get MULTIPLE capstones however? Then yea that'd eat up your charm selections.

>>53012273
But anon, the North has steampunk vikings!

>>53018261
My armchair says Ebon Shadow was bad compared to Solar Charms.

Does anyone have the Harrowing Silence Preview that's willing to share it? The link is below, it's only ¢99, so please help out those of us who are tragically incapable of buying things online.

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/210741/Adversaries-of-the-Righteous-Harrowing-Silence?src=fp_u5

>>53018307
Sure, but if you're going Stealth Supernal and you don't want to do Thrown, you might as well pick up Ebon Shadow at least to the Form. Even if you're using Thrown, actually, Nothing But Shadows and ES Form are just free enhancements to Stealth.

>>53018261

If you find Silken Armour, Dreaming Pearl and Crane can be used with each other (The soak adder charm in Dreaming Pearl can be used to add additional soak still). The only thing you lose out on is the superior weapon from not assuming the form, but the rest work just fine.

Snake is a bit less so due to the weapons (Unarmed or bust), but the ability to make gambits to basically beat an opponent without ever decisively attacking is huge.

Nightengale style is basically the support style. You can do some good things with it, but pairing it with some other dedicated attack and it becomes outright horrific. Good for the social stuff too.

Righteous Devil, if you can get the five shooter gun, is outright bonkers but is really all in or bust. If you can throw up the form and intimidate everyone? Then your attacks become deadly as hell and will never miss. Kiss of the Sun + Phoenix Flies on Golden Wings + Dancing Devil Trigger Finger + Caress of 10,000 Hells can instantly end most battles or force opponents with a penalty they really can fight against. Attacking up to six opponents with a full power decisive, further boosted by potent damage adding charms that you only need to pay for once? It's that fucking good. It even goes good with Archery, as Righteous Devil is great at Withering and Archery is good at decisive, so they go good together.

>>53018326
>paying a dollar for someone's homebrew
Nah

>>53018281
>implying there's more than one after meme-arrowing someone for implying there's more than one

Invincible Fury of the Dawn is literally the Chronicles of Darkness Common Sense Merit ported to Exalted. You use it to ask your ST if the enemy is a significant opponent or not, and they answer you by either the Matt Mercer howdjawanna or by jacking off as they describe the perfect defense that lolnopes you. Immortal Blade Triumphant is a cunning trap for people who read (Essence) and think 5 instead of 1, which contains a second even more cunning trap where you can forfeit the whole fucking Charm for one somewhat stronger attack, which is bad any and every time you are not 100% sure it's the last attack you're going to make in the scene, although it's awesome enough that you'll do it anyway.

Over-and-Under Method is literally unbeatable except against specialized nontrad builds that don't interact with you through attacks in the first place. Hail-Shattering Practice makes it an I-win button, and if you want your ST to feel compelled to humble you into a new character you can mix in Doe Eyes Defense for idiotic levels of punishment against anything that ever thinks you're a valid target in combat.

Brawl has multiple approaches and capstones. Thrown kinda does, between gambits and stealth-murder. Melee has one, Over-and-Under Method, and then when you've got that you can pick up flurries to chump anything not packing a good response for shits and giggles.

>>53018261
Snake is very powerful, the form bonus is nearly worth it alone, +5 soak and an effectively non-charm bonus to your defense. Snake Strikes the Heel is one of the only withering clash attacks in the game, and Crippling Pressure Point Strike is great against strong enemies you can't hurt easily. The final three charms are mediocre and I wouldn't buy them though.

I play with a Tiger stylist, and foe-vaulting method + stealth enables it just fine even without fleeing enemies. It gets tools to enable its playstyle as well, since it has Stalking Cat Movement Meditation which is just a crazy charm.

Silver Voice is the style you pick to make your teammates stronger. Its very good at doing that.

>>53018364
I don't know if Pearlescent Filigree Defense works with Crane - I guess if you're wearing nothing except the silken armor, I don't know, it seems ornery - but I missed that both styles use war fans, that's cool.

Still - Dreaming Pearl has a lot of value in the free no-attunement artifact weapon and armor and in Demure Carp Feint, which is Evasion when Crane wants Parry. You get maybe the soak adder, but really from the first four charms of Dreaming Pearl you're only gonna be using Elegant Weapon Repertoire's damage add. That's four Charms for +5 damage for 3m.

I guess the Flurry of August Leaves option that lets you full defend is actually useful, but the WP cost is steep for that effect, and the other three are all more likely to end or swing a fight than just getting +2 Defense and a counterattack chance.

And Invoking the Chimera's Coils exacerbates the incompatibility issues. No medium armor, still no Demure Carp Feint.

>>53018442
Immortal Blade Triumphant is good at essence 1, and just gets better at each essence level, assuming you don't mind reaching and staying at the bonfire anima level.

>>53018442
Invincible Fury of the Dawn has trouble dealing with even Dragon-Blooded assuming they're willing to blow most of their mote pool defending against it. You'll probably connect 3/5 attacks or fewer against DBs or above, unless you set it up.

It also doesn't become truly godlike until you really invest in melee

>>53018364
Black Claw style is the best one for those who plan on having students of their own.

>>53018261
>>53018364
Nightingale Style works hilariously well with Solar social magic. We're talking about multiple reflexive social influence actions each turn, here, while you're attacking people and activating Battle Dancer method.

How? First, when you take Nightingale Style, you say that your musical instrument is the bells on your belly-dancing outfit. Voice of the Night Bird lets you make reflexive a Performance-based social influence action each turn. Since your instrument is played through dance, you get to activate Battle-Dancer Method to boost your Parry, Evasion, or Resolve. You then take Thousand Courtesan Ways, which lets you double the number of social actions you take, by adding on an additional social influence to any social influence action you take.

Bonus points if you then take Poised Lion Attitude to get a reflexive Presence- or Socialize-based Social Influence action on top of the bonus Performance-based Social Influence action from Nightingale Style.

That's right. If you build a character with the right four charms, you're not only making ranged attacks with a Light Artifact Weapon that has no attunement cost every round, but you're making four Social Influence actions every round for only a 5m committed cost and 3m per round - and if you decide not to pay the 3m, you're still making two social influence actions per round anyway.

>>53018902
You can't use Battle Dancer Method if you're attacking people, per developer commentary (Holden & Morke era, but I agree completely). You basically need to be using a miscellaneous action, which can be social influence, but you can't dance-fight.

That thing with the actions is horrifying, though.

>>53019117
>Battle Dancer Method
>cannot be used in battle

>>53019117

...wait...what? It's literally called Battle Dancer Method. How can it not be used for battle dancing?

>>53019117
The ruling's that you need to take a miscellaneous action to dance. If you're wearing a musical instrument that's played by dancing (like bellydancer bells), then you can dance as a reflexive action instead.

>>53019189
>If you're wearing a musical instrument that's played by dancing (like bellydancer bells), then you can dance as a reflexive action instead.
If you've got Voice of the Night Bird, I mean. Normally, you'd need to flurry.

>>53017897
>I argued with Holden himself about the issue of Craft Bloat back when he was just another fan like you and me.

Oh, I remember those times. When you could just read a couple of his posts and go "no way this overly vitriolic asshole is spewing anything other than absolute bullshit."

How far we have fallen.

>>53018535
You need to have IBT active for three turns to make up for the cost of using your turn to activate it instead of just hitting someone with a withering attack.

>>53019153
>>53019171

It can always be used for battle-dancing. It can't be used for attacking, which is not dancing, just because you stunt your movement as "dance-like" or "dance-adjacent."

>>53019189
You can under no circumstances avoid the miscellaneous action cost; wearing bells does not allow you to take any special reflexive actions.

>>53019231
Even with Voice of the Night Bird or other effects that allow reflexive social influence.

The ruling is basically "Battle-Dancer Method can supplement a miscellaneous action to dance, or protect you while you're engaged in long-duration dance-based social influence, but is not a discount Excellency."

>>53019537
>It can always be used for battle-dancing. It can't be used for attacking, which is not dancing, just because you stunt your movement as "dance-like" or "dance-adjacent."

So it can be used for battle dancing unless you attempt to battle?

>>53019537
or just skip the BS: it's not a discount Excellency. for some reason H&M had a blast of whatever toxic mushroom magic led to Cobra Style and thought naming a charm Battle-Dancer Method wouldn't conflict with the obvious overtuning on its effect, and everyone would just "get it."

TL;DR regardless of how fucking dumb it is, Battle-Dancer Method can't be used for what you think "battle-dancing" is because it's too strong for that purpose and "easy-purchase Charm that is just better than an Excellency forever" is unacceptable design. you have to use it for what H&M thought "battle-dancing" was, which is really just dancing while people try to beat you.

>>53019537
>You can under no circumstances avoid the miscellaneous action cost;
You can, if you use suitable magic to do so.

>wearing bells does not allow you to take any special reflexive actions.
Of course not. It just lets you change the context of your Performance social actions, from "musical instrument" to "dance" and vice versa, just like seductive dance or particularly athletic sex would let you apply both the "sex" and the "dance" charms simultaneously.

>Battle-Dancer Method can supplement a miscellaneous action to dance
And that Miscellaneous Action is the "Use Social Influence" Action, which Voice of the Night Bird lets you perform reflexively.

>>53019189
also, bellfag, i know who you are, you're a shit roleplayer, everyone in the game understood you probably jack off to your character's feet, and your fetish for poorly-thought-out rules exploits is literally despicable.

i have it on good authority you must have sucked the dick of whoever wrote Hauberk of Bells to completely annihilate combat dice-caps for no other reason than someone told the author's boyfriend their pedophile fantasy crush was only the best at SOCIAL combat.

fucking bellydancer exalts

jesus christ

>>53018220

This is saying more about you than the books, honestly.

>>53019556

It's really a horribly named charm.

>>53019621

>fucking bellydancer exalts

I dunno, that is very fitting for the South.

>>53019615
>You can
It's like time and resurrection magic. Even if you sacrifice everything that you are, you can't shorten the miscellaneous action minimum to activate Battle-Dancer Method. It's not a fluff issue, it doesn't matter what you stunt, how many effects you combine, or if you layer yourself in N/A artifacts designed for the purpose.

The issue is that Battle-Dancer Method is 1m for +2 Defense, so WoG clarified that it cannot be used without a miscellaneous action taken to dance.

>just like seductive dance or particularly athletic sex would let you apply both the "sex" and the "dance" charms simultaneously.

Aaand now we're getting into cringe territory. I don't know why that's your go-to, but I feel like maybe >>53019621 actually does have your number.

>And that Miscellaneous Action is the "Use Social Influence" Action, which Voice of the Night Bird lets you perform reflexively.

No, the Miscellaneous Action is the "Battle-Dancer Method is badly designed sorry lol" action, which the devs allowed to also constitute social influence. Actually, technically, I don't even think they said combat-time influence; their vision was for this to be used when your five-minute social whatever broke down and you're trying to finish it while ninjas pepper you with shuriken. The interpretation you're arguing for might make sense if "natural language" was real, but it isn't first of all, and even IF it'd still be broken.

So it's a misc action or nothing. Better yet, rewrite the fucking Charm.

>>53019621
>fucking bellydancer exalts
This is a game that literally has sex charms, anon, to let your character be superhumanly skilled at fucking. This is a game that lists Conan the Barbarian as one of its major inspirations - you know, the series of books whose covers prominently feature nearly-naked young women lounging around and hugging the manly protagonist's legs.

"The best courtesan in the world" is a viable character concept, and belly-dancing is a.logical extension of that concept.

>you probably jack off to your character's feet
Foot fetish is pleb-tier.

>>53019189

Voice of the Night Bird lets you flurry a musical performance check. If you're making a musical performance action, you're not making a dance action. No, not even if you stable bells to your belly. Stop being stupid.

>>53019352
Yeah, we're remembering things differently.

He's really not a very diplomatic person, but no more worse than many of the other long-time WW forum posters, myself included. And now he has to deal with criticism over his work from Exalted fans, who have a tendency to be very... passionate about their issues (ya know, like whether the Usurpation was the "worst thing ever", and such).

Not to mention, he knows his shit when it comes to Exalted, fluff and mechanics. And until they crap out something as horrendous as 2e Sidereals, I've yet to see much proof of the constant stream of complaints I hear about 3e... aside from it being very slow, which frustrates me because I feel like it's going to be like 5 years at this rate for us to get 3e Sidereals.

>>53011034

iirc it IS more modern than tea

>>53011980
also the usurpation is unnecessarily prejudicially named and by the vast majority of objective and reasonable accountings: the right call who's primary problem was not being made sooner

>>53012273
>the addition of ice muslims and undead Mongolians did nothing.

I agree with that part. but the west is much worse than the north. also the south is boring. and halta sucks ass. halta and linowa ruined the entire direction with their shit and should never have existed.
therefore the east is the worst automatically, simply for containing halta

>>53012657
meh, hes better than most PCs at least

>>53019735
>"The best courtesan in the world" is a viable character concept,
on f-list. not elsewhere.

>and belly-dancing is a.logical extension of that concept.
i love that you think belly-dancing is an extension of prostitution. god you must be fat as anything

>sex charms
ironically not written for you to soak your person-pillow in another layer of crust, but to appease the sex-positive liberal audience.

later, rape ghosts

>Conan
>nearly-naked young women
go ahead, bring that up on the forums. GLHF

regardless, just because it would be convenient for "dance" and "play music" to be the same thing so you could exploit a badly-written Charm doesn't make it true. you can't dance reflexively and you can't use B-D method to get a 3m discount forever. just spend the fucking motes

>>53019897

It's kinda funny. The very first usurpation never gets called that.

You know, when the Exalts stabbed the crap out of the guys who actually made the world?

>>53020017
>on f-list. not elsewhere.
Leaving aside Battle Dancer Method, four social actions a round, anon. *Four.* Two of which might be AoE effects. It's a viable character concept even if you're not planning on doing any ERPing.

> god you must be fat as anything
Closer to skeleton-mode, if anything.

>go ahead, bring that up on the forums. GLHF
Implying that I wasn't permabanned years ago for being a right-wing shitlord.

>>53019755
Well, there are plenty of legitimate complaints for Exalted 3E, not all of them game breaking in my opinion but for some of them they could be.

Holden and Morke's overly verbose writing style, for instance, which is a lot worse than even Exalted got us used to. They promised an involved MA system that coudl be used by mortal protagonists and Exalted alike and they scrapped that. Come to think of it, they promised interesting options for playing mortals.
They defended the Craft system to their last breath evne though it's a horrendous cookie clicker game (by their own admission, though probably in jest) and they admittedly made Wyld Shaping absurdly inefficient to get people to use Craft.

Aside all that, most of the criticism was directed at the toital lack of communication and them taking their sweet time letting us see the product we paid for in 2012.

Personally I wonder how much he knows his stuff about 2E's fluff, since the developers saw fit to fill the setting with discount bin Exalted. Liminals, Getimians, Niobraran, Exigents? But maybe that's just me and they will be a welcome addition to the setting... We'll see

>>53020017
No no anon, they aren't rape ghosts, read the actual text you shitlord.
Those ghosts don't rape, they RAVISH.

>>53020202
>Come to think of it, they promised interesting options for playing mortals.
To be fair, it works better for playing mortals than any of the previous editions thanks to how initiative works, with decisive and withering attacks.

>>53020133
It's not a viable character concept because playing a magic prostitute is not going to fly at a human table.

Also, where are you getting four social actions? You get one Performance-based musical influence via the Style, maybe one other from Thousand Courtesan Ways, and even less likely another from Poised Lion Attitude. That's three if your ST's retarded, but realistically they're going to say Poised Lion Attitude and Voice of the Night Bird don't stack due to sanity and you get one attack + two social actions, which is still pretty good.

>>53020405

Not who you are arguing with but: A Belly Dancer isn't a prostitute by default.

>>53020405
>is not going to fly at a human table

This is Exalted. In every game I've played not having a hypersexualized female character at the table is the oddity for me. I guess the circles you are with are different.

>>53020405
>It's not a viable character concept because playing a magic prostitute is not going to fly at a human table.
Okay, so how about some sample backstory:
>born as the inbred daughter of a harvest god
>serves him as a temple-prostitute like all of his other godblooded daughters
>he teaches her the Nightingale and Black Claw styles along with the assorted performance and knowledge skills her position requires
>she grows up to become the most skilled and desired courtesan in her home city
>meets an Immaculate monk on a city road on her way to one of her jobs, and strikes up a conversation about religion
>talks to him a bit every day for months; he always resists her half-joking attempts at seducing him
>he eventually convinces her that her father is abusing her
>she confronts her father about this
>he begins beating her bloody; she doesn't back down
>exalts instead
>now a Zenith caste Solar who wanders the countryside trying to prevent gods from abusing their worshippers

>Also, where are you getting four social actions?
One from the Style, one from Poised Lion Defense, and then two more from Thousand Courtesan Ways - one for each of the other two.

>>53019652
Yeah. WoT has its problems, but they aren't about it being particularly magical realm-y. By the standards anon applies to WoT, anything except wholesome entertainment for the whole family would count as magical realm.

Since Battle-Dancer Method apparently doesn't let you battle-dance, how would you make a charm that does let you dance-fight?

>>53020871
I'd just stunt my attacks as dance-fighting. Is there some mechanical effect you consider appropriate for dance-fighting?

>>53021287
I think it would fun to be able to use dancing for a boost to defense if I wasn't much of a fighter (which is why I really liked Battle-Dancer Method when I thought it worked in combat), and to make it more difficult to evade my attacks, or to allow limited social influence mid-combat. Something like Poised Lion Attitude that lets you dance while doing other stuff without the flurry penalty would be good. Maybe this would be better off as a Martial Art, though.

>>53021371
A Charm that lets you use Performance to determine Evasion might be fine, and would be useful for a noncombatant. Maybe a Charm that lets you roll Manipulation+Performance and makes your next attack count as a surprise attack if you overcome your opponents Resolve. That one'd be about masking your attacks with the innocuous moves of the dance. If you want to have a proper fighting style centered around dancing, MAs would probably be the way to go.

>>53010514
post it? or just use the pic?

>>53020036
they weren't the shiny designated protagonists ;)

>>53020036
thieves honor-code. how dare you steal what I just stole!

>>53020202
>verbose writing style
Not really a problem, especially when you're basically restarting the setting from scratch.

>Wyld Shaping
Was broken as fuck in 2e, and basically became the go-to answer for how to create anything... Especially endless wealth and resources.

>MA system for mortals
I'm a little disappointed in this, since one of my main strategies as a Sidereal was to have a bunch of mortal MA-ists as pawns. But it's no great loss.

>Craft
Well as I said, I'm against making crafts as simple as being able to literally make ANYTHING using one skill. 2e's divisions had a good compromise, though as time wore on it became messier with the addition of new divisions, as well as some 1e stuff being badly copy-and-pasted right into 2e.

>total lack of communication
Because every time they said anything at all, people would climb up their ass over the smallest thing they didn't like. And often the complaints were based on incomplete or incorrect information.

>2e fluff
Was generally of a lower quality than 1e fluff (Lunars had it hard in 1e too), which is the the basis for 3e more than 2e is. And it's best ignored entirelyWhile the 'discount bin' Exalted are something that people have been asking for for a long time. Exigents in particular, with the ability for people to make their own custom Exalt.

>>53021914
>Because every time they said anything at all, people would climb up their ass over the smallest thing they didn't like.
They sure as fuck didn't. There were complaints, sure, but there was also earnest speculation and plenty of enthusiasm.

>>53021371
The thing to remember is that at the end of the day, using dancing for defense should not be as good as using your mastery of the tomahawk or whatever. But you can do other stuff. Maybe something that causes opponents who miss you at close range to "dance" with you, giving them a Minor Intimacy of some (particular, defined by the Charm) kind you can leverage until they hit, disengage, or rush you successfully to break the rhythm, upgraded to Major if they're crashed. The Intimacy subtracts dice from those actions (attack, disengage, rush) equal to its intensity, but the Charm is a little too expensive to use just for that, requiring you to be into social influence in general and likewise not offering enough by itself to make you feel at all safe in combat.

>>53013370
>You faggots just be glad that they've moved away from using anime from as heavy a source of inspiration

They did?

Whats the fucking point then?

Why... Why would you want to make a dance-fighter anyways?
I mean... it seems like a silly concept to me; when battle joins your character starts shaking their hips and doing the Charleston. I'd just settle with describing their battle style as "graceful" every now and then.

>>53022062
>The thing to remember is that at the end of the day, using dancing for defense should not be as good as using your mastery of the tomahawk or whatever.

Why not? Social attack + physical defence vs phsical attack + physical defence.

>>53022148
Combat Abilities should be unambiguously the best for combat. Seems pretty obvious to me.

>>53022148
the tomahawk doesn't do anything else, preform does tons of shit.

same kind of reason dodge isn't just part of athletics

>>53022124
Because in societies where peasantry-level combat is disallowed, dance is a good way to hide martial arts. There are entire cultural systems founded on the basis of 'not being weapons, not using martial arts'.

>>53022124
Because several martial arts were disguised as forms of dance to avoid detection.
Because more than any of the other kinds of Performance that have sub-trees in the core book, dancing is very physical, and demands great finesse, coordination, and endurance from its practitioners.
Because flexibility and unusual movements should give some sort of advantage in a fight.
And also because break dance fighting is hilarious.

>>53021914
>Not really a problem, especially when you're basically restarting the setting from scratch.

It's a problem when you constantly complain about having to cut this and that because page limit, still shit out a bible of a book and every other Charm is "This Charm lets you blah blah blah like a damned bodishattva" for half a page and it ends up being a reroll 9.

Look at the Solar theme sidebar. Half a page to say what?

It's not like they are sayinganything interesting either with all that purple prose. You could almost say that they made sure that they were well paid by the word...

>>53022124
https://wiki.erfworld.com/Dance-Fighting

>>53022235
like swaying grass
>>53022223
which is kinda funny since that's the same reason martial arts use such funky weapons in the first place. they were grain thrashers and cart handles and the like. so oppressive places just have to keep banning more and more obscure things as they get used to kick the shit out of people.
"no weapons"
"no eating knives, it's chopsticks or nothing now"
"no dancing while moving your arms"
"no dancing at all"
"no...combat singing"
"no hoarding the drugs we give you to be better slaves so you can use the tirelessness and deadened pain receptors to fight more fiercely and the soporific to auto-pass all valor checks...this one might have been on us that time"

>>53022334
"no tools. now you'll have to break rocks with your bare hands. jerry ruined it for everybody"

"no learning to break rocks with your bare hands. what was the last overseer thinking, teaching you something like that"

>>53022174

And it would still be. It would be offence and defence.

Tomahawk also gets a heap of defensive charms on top of 'Decent base calue'

>>53022334
>no eating knives

But how will I get the necessary iron in my diet?

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>>53018024
>Lunars don't want

The Realm. And before that, the Shogunate. Because both of them were instrumental in the Lunars being pushed out into the wilderness. Fuck's sake, it isn't the same thing as 1e. They don't have special affectations for leaves and pine cones as a matter of course, they just want payback and relief from pursuit.

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>>53020223
>Ravish is completely synonymous with rape

So, are you trying to convince me that the Raksha have been raping people since 1E?

also >implying SA actually thinks rape is wrong

>>53023083
Did you miss the passage where they raped a couple of DBs to death?

>>53023179
Yes. I mean, unless you just use rape as a substitute for any verb, like one of the smurfs?

>Did you miss the passage where they smurfed a couple of DBs to death?

>>53023083

...what? Of course. Raksha are the rapiest fucking things in the setting. They're literally built on mental and/or emotional rape, with more than enough space for physical rape. That's their whole fucking deal.

What book were YOU reading?

>>53023331
>They're literally built on mental and/or emotional rape

Those aren't even remotely actual things, tvtropes guy.

You know I liked the "Rape Ghosts". I thought they were thematically appropriate for the Lover. If you don't like them then don't use them.

>>53023371
I was more annoyed we were getting green solars in the same preview clusters that was trying to treat the concept of deathlords more like 2e infernal charms

>>53023371
No, we have to keep listening to people from SA coming here and REE'ing about it years later because it makes for an easy soundbyte when divorced from context.

Yep I dislike that as well.

I mean if they turned the current Yozi charms into ability based and then emphasize the idea that the new Infernals are supposed to be able harness the power of all the yozi rather than just two, I would be supportive of that but that doesn't appear to be the plan.

>>53020223
>>53023083
>>53023357
>>53023371
Once upon a time, when it was the time of the 'moral majority' in the US (and later, during the 2000 at the birth of the internet and during the war on terror), 'being' edgy was something the left did. Because at that time, it was seen as being more 'mature' and 'counterculture'. This is easily reflected in White Wolf product. But now those same edgy people are older now, in their '30 and '40 and now they've slowly become that crusty, 'no-fun-allowed-sanitize-everything-wont-somebody-think-of-the-childr...women', boring, controlling generation.

So now you end up with people looking back at what they made and rather than roll with it, they're going to gut out their own setting in order to help 'sanitize' it. Why do you think they're getting rid of the anime inspiration? Because in the '90 and early 2000, while anime was popular it wasn't quite as mainstream beyond shit like Pokémon and Dragonball in the late '90 to Naruto, Bleach and FMA in the 2000. Now that anime is fucking everywhere, these people think it's now 'silly' and 'childish' that Exalted drew inspiration from '90 anime, especially OVA which are now seen as crummy as fuck (see: Ninja Scroll as an inspiration in the 1st ed corebook).

>>53018532

The armour granting charm is straight out, that's why I said you'd need to use silken armour. However you can still use the APP as a soak booster mode just fine.

Most post form charms are fine except for the Dreaming Pearl capstone, which you won't be using. To be ultimately fair you won't even be using the Dreaming Pearl form with Snake or Crane as both styles have really good forms, specially the latter.

>>53018549

Use it with a full Melee excelleny and Rising Sun Slash, laugh. Then again Morke claimed that Melee's "pay once per charm" feature for Iron Whirlwind only applied to supplemental charms and not reflexive ones.

>>53023357
Violation in a manner which leaves lasting damage and whose consequential echoes also spawn new disruptions and damages far into the future, then, and which is experienced on a profound level as an invasion that corrupts and sullies heretofore private and personal aspects of the violated being.

Okay? Mental and/or emotional THAT.

I understand you're probably a faggot so you can't be raped anyway, but there is such a thing as analogous experience, and even if the comparison isn't 1:1 or differs in scale or severity you still understand what's being fucking said.

Raksha go into your special places and make stinking messes that stick to your spiritual bones like the muscle-and-tendon they ripped out and swallowed. It's rape-adjacent, by deliberate and conscious design.

>>53023482
Shit this was supposed to respond to this>>53023382

>>53023518
Ninja Scroll, which is also listed in the suggested resources section of 3E core. Man, the current devs must really hate that one, huh?

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What is his name, /tg/?

>>53023482
I understand why Infernals as written only really worked when 2e was at its most broken - because "0m deathstick and a perfect defense + paranoia suite so you can always use it" was everything you needed, and any two Yozis got you basically that, even if it eventually became clear that really one of them needed to be Adorjan - and why with the complexity and depth of 3E's Charm trees the same approach is going to take some serious fucking work to hammer out without drowning in redundancies.

But they were so awesome. They were so fucking awesome. Everything they did was great, all the time. It's not that I don't trust Ability-focused Infernals could do it, it's that I'm worried they don't want to anymore. Mind-carving god-monsters as PCs might not fit their rice-and-sandals fantasy vibe.

I don't know. TDO was always good with Infernal stuff, but if I'm being honest, Holden was pretty fucking stellar too - and Neph was the heart. I guess we'll see what happens. I want Golden Years Tarnished Black, and Chirality Prohibition Index, and Ichor Flux Tendrils, and fucking Splintered Gale Shintai and Verdant Emptiness Endowment. I want those KINDS of Charms to still exist.

>>53023616
>>53023518
God, how they hate Ninja Scroll.

And Inuyasha.

And fucking Claymore.

Howl's Moving Castle...alright, Studio Ghibli isn't like anime-anime.

But you know what is? JRPGs, and there's a bunch of those listed...this is the stuff they want NEW PLAYERS to look at to get an idea of what Exalted's going for. They're, uh, not doing the thing you said. Looks like your politics might be dogshit, fampai.

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>>53017711
>WoT is Jordan's magical realm.

One of my favorite series, too!

>>53023684
the hero we deserve

>>53012093
>linking to that site
There are less cringy ways to out yourself as a homosexual, anon.

>>53023781
why the hell did that guy hate women so much? they were 1 dimensional monsters and all alike

>>53023857
>they were 1 dimensional monsters and all alike
Because women ARE one dimensional monsters with no soul. You'll learn in time, young cuck. :^)

>>53023857
Dude was a feminist.

He just wanted them to be empowered

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>>53023857

He based them off his wife. Also not gonna lie, the books were definitely pretty magical realm-ish at times, but thats OK, because that was kind of magical realm I didn't mind. A little light BDSM never hurt anyone, just ask Wonder Woman.

>>53023940
>He based them off his wife
...was he going through a horrible divorce at the time?

>>53023984
>>53023857

Nynaeve is a much, much better character than you remember, and so is Moiraine. I literally guarantee it.

>>53019652
In what kind of otherkin deluded illusion you must be to not understand that pet play, mind control, bdsm, domination, domination play, humiliation, magical bdsm, broken fiesty characters are inherently magical realmy?

This isn't the case of 'there is a sex scene in the book, wah, it's sexual man'.

There is whole chapters about characters being enslaved, treated as a pet, humiliated, mind-controlled and made into sex objects, and helplessly bound. Just be rational. WoT is Jordan's magical realm. Even people who like it agree with that assessment.

You like WoT. Fine man. Just be aware of what it really is, for fuck sake.

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>>53023984

No idea.

>>53023592
It's a violation of rights, certainly, but it's of a kind that carries with it no sexual coercion.

Getting waterboarded is torture, but it isn't rape. Getting mugged is a violation of my rights and my person, but it isn't rape. Being told something unpleasant or disturbing can leave me unsettled, but it doesn't make me a rape victim. Getting stabbed would probably leave me traumatized and unwilling to leave the house for a long time, but that still makes me a victim of a stabbing, not a rape.

Similarly, having bits and pieces of my soul eaten by a Cthulhu, while much like everything else mentioned would inflict lasting trauma, does not make it rape.

Rape is not a valid substitute for any and all unpleasant verbs, so stop playing this bizarre madlibs game, you idiot

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>>53024022
...i really should read it sometime. Sounds like a fun trip.

>>53024124
Most of it is just padding and useless filler, I'm sorry to say

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>>53023857
He is incredibly ambivalent about women, it a fetishistic way. It is kind of funny, not a good example for growing boys, but still, from a psychological perspective, incredibly simple. 12 years old simple.

All women are selfish dominatrix, only thinking about themselves, and humiliating everyone that are inferior to themselves... until they find someone that is actually superior to themselves, and they are enslaved in return.

Classic domination play in all BDSM. Really there's nothing more to say. Jordan's women are as archetypal as are his men, but both of those archetypes are inherently fetishistic, and can be unsettling for first timer. He is certainly one of the first author to base entire books around those primal archetypes of bitchy women being enslaved.

>>53024022
Those thing were not prominent, and they were generally presented in a profoundly unerotic way, as horrible shit done by villains. Slavery is, of course, not inherently magical realmy, and it is kind of retarded to claim otherwise. As a relatively minor note, the point made eralier about whatever the fucl the bodyguards of Aes Sedai were called was complete bullshit. As in, an actual lie. Those guys were not sex slaves, not even reular slaves, not mind controlled, just dedicated bodyguards wit a bond to their ward that mostly served to make the bodyguards themselves tougher.

>>53024124
If you expect it to be an erotic trainwreck of some sort, you'll be disappointed. It is a relatively standard fantasy series with some cool ideas and an unfortunate tendency to drag on needlessly. It was worth a read back when I was a highschooler, it's pretty solid at its best, but it isn't even remotely what one anon makes it sound like.

>>53024217
Apparently you never heard of Gor by Norman, Cthon and Pthor by Piers Anthony (who pretty much makes Jordan and Normal look like amateur prudes), and Tanith Lee, who predates all of the above AND made pretty bisexual Vampires long before Anne Rice and Laurel Hamilton were even considered writers.

>>53024012
Aside from Rand Nynaeve had the most character growth in the series, and hers was almost always for the better.

>>53024142
As this guy said >>53024242 there's a lot of random plots that don't amount to much at the end, some are dropped completely, along with a bunch of worldbuilding unnecessary to the plot.

I love the series, reread it way too many times to count but god damn is there a lot of fluff. I love that shit, but as a fair warning to anyone else, there's a lot of shit in there that doesn't need to be.

>>53024347
>I love the series, reread it way too many times to count but god damn is there a lot of fluff. I love that shit, but as a fair warning to anyone else, there's a lot of shit in there that doesn't need to be.
I recently finished rereading it and I remember having to stop in middle of a paragraph that talking about how to properly wash and dry a silk dress.

>>53024347
It's got kind of the same problem as Malazan Book of the Fallen, though the latter had it even worse.

>>53024376
I honestly think Malazan is more enjoyable even if it's got waaay too many different plots and characters simultaneously

>>53024242
>>53024124

Yes, of course. Warning: WoT is 65% boring, 15% interesting setting and story, and 20% 'what she was just enslaved and now she is licking her boot and crying?'. It ain't an erotic series mate. It's a relatively decent story built on a heavy magical realm.

>>53024296
>Gor by Norman

Gor is less unsettling that WoT, usually speaking.

>Cthon and Pthor

Ditto. They are, of course, incredibly erotic, but less 'now I will write a 850 page book about why my women should be enslaved', if that makes sense.

>Tanith Lee

Don't know him tbqh familia.

>>53024375
>>53024376
It also helps that since I've read it so many times I just kind of filter all the unnecessary shit out. "Ah yes a 2 page description of the clothes they're wearing, yes I remember it's the red dress" and then carry on my way to the important shit.

>>53024296
>Cthon and Pthor by Piers Anthony (who pretty much makes Jordan and Normal look like amateur prudes)
I've never read Gor, but after what I've heard of the it, Piers Anthony must be something. Now I want to hear more.

Didn't Gor spawn a BDSM fetish community based on the setting? What did Piers Anthony write to make that pale in comparison?

>>53024398
I also liked Malazan more, but it definitely felt like the author was shoving all his cool ideas - and they were cool, no doubt about that - into the series. The coherence of the series seriously suffered as a result. It is still something I'd definitely consider worth reading, but there's a lesson to be learned about the improtance of focus there.

>>53024400
>Yes, of course. Warning: WoT is 65% boring, 15% interesting setting and story, and 20% 'what she was just enslaved and now she is licking her boot and crying?'. It ain't an erotic series mate. It's a relatively decent story built on a heavy magical realm.
Now, your view on WoT is bizarre enough to make it clear that you're basically just projecting...something, I'm not sure I want to know what, onto it.

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>>53024426
I don't particularly want to talk about Piers Anthony.

Jordan tried to create an interesting setting explaining why his women should be enslaved. Normal tried to create a decent setting, sometimes breaking by the steam, often incoherent, about why his women should be enslaved.

Piers Anthony writes like he is a 15 years old, forever. He is ridiculous, and not really erotic, just cringe worthy.

>>53024506
>Jordan tried to create an interesting setting explaining why his women should be enslaved.
But every instance of slavery in WoT is presented as villainous shit. Mind control is mostly presented from the perspective of victims, as something terrible and traumatic. Are you sure you're actually remembering WoT instead of your own WoT inspired sexual fantasies?

>>53024483
>Now, your view on WoT is bizarre enough to make it clear that you're basically just projecting...something, I'm not sure I want to know what, onto it.

My views are basically the mainstream view, mate. Don't try to pass what is mainstream for something strange or incomprehensible.

Your point of view is surely very, very strange. Your inability to recognize even the simplest of magical realm is... well. I'm sure you have a cognitive reason.

>>53024566
Yeah, I have a cognitive reason alright. It's called reading comprehension. It's a real pain sometimes, but I try to deal with it.

>>53024561
Do you have the simplest inkling of human psychology?

Protip (I really shouldn't need to write that): When you write a 850 page book about enslaving women, saying all the way down "IT'S A TERRIBLE THING BRO", describing in incredibly detail how they are forced to lick the boots of their horrible enslavers and how it is a terrible things that they are now reduced to pets and can't even use their names because they're now property? It's a fetish, mate. You don't write 850 pages about pet play and domination play and enslavement if you don't. Fucking. Love. It.

What are you, 12?

When I write a fanfic about a giantess with city sized tits killing me in horrible details and how it is horrible that she is killing me and how I suffer, I write magical realm fiction. It's the simplest thing to understand. Are you autistic or something?

>>53024651
Yes, anon. I am a psychologist, I know something about human psychology, and when I say that you're projecting, I'm not just throwing around buzzwords.

>>53024681
A degree in psychology does not make you a psychologist.

>>53024713
Okay, anon, whatever. Sure, let's agree that you're not projecting, and that slavery and such totally are the core of Wheel of Time despite making up a tiny portion of the wordcount. Sounds completely reasonable.

>>53024084
>It's a violation of rights, certainly, but it's of a kind that carries with it no sexual coercion.

It's not a violation of rights, jesus christ. How can you be this autistic? Do you think any of that pertains to your fucking political faggotry? It doesn't. It's a violation of ESSENCE. It's literally the sense that you have been violated, made permeable to a malevolent force, pierced and penetrated by something.

It's not some kind of abstraction. It's literally a form of rape, and that rape normally employs a sexual vehicle is really only common rather than necessary. We know what it means to rape the earth. We understand mindrape. We're talking about violations that have nothing to do with political rights.

>>53024982
Raping the earth is at most a metaphor, mindrape isn't even a thing outside of a handful of works of fiction, Jesus Christ you broken faggot

>>53007345
yes but the overall design philosophy is very 1999, the completely stolen combat system notwithstanding. dissidia, for example, didn't have 300 pages of charms/mechanics that amounted to a +1 or -1 on a 1d20 roll, statistically

>>53007439
holdorke are basically poor amerifags. actually, full stop, they are poor amerifags since they didn't get paid hahaha. as poor amerifags, they're suuuuuper into wrestling and prefer he-man to anime

so they did their best to make exalted basically a bad hack of masters of the universe using a final fantasy combat system plus pro wrestling(!!!)

the result is a literal 600 page turd

to paraphrase drax: their turds are famously large

>>53024713
You're confused about the difference between a psychologist (anyone who has studied psychology) and a Clinical Psychologist, which is someone who is certified (and frequently has done a residency) in psychotherapy.

They're non-equivalent standards, don't treat them as if they are.

For the record: you were projecting.

>>53025349
stfu

>>53020017
>i love that you think belly-dancing is an extension of prostitution.
Actually I think it might have started as stripper-whores...and iirc might have started out with little boys before it was women?

>>53025349
>I never read the book but if I spout enough buzzwords while crying and screaming about Holdorke I can vaguely pretend I'm informed.

Are you the guy who swore revenge against a roleplaying game a few threads ago again? Back up your statements, or at least stop expecting us to be impressed by what is nothing more than a collection of snidely worded buzzwords.

>>53025487
nice rebuttal

>>53025809
you guys should call yourselves butter, because you're on a roll

>>53025906
>getting mad at people calling your posts bad

Maybe /tg/ is not for you???

>>53024400
>Don't know him tbqh familia.

Her. And you should; Tanith Lee's stuff was a primary inspiration for Exalted. Get off 4chan immediately and go read Night's Master.

>>53025997
>I've Got Nothing: The Post

Maybe /tg/ is not for you.

>>53026125
>no u!!!

I'm serious man, you can go reg on SV and people will lap your bullshit unconditionally.

>>53026160
>muh boogeyman

Do you just roll out of bed, look in the mirror, and say "I want to be the shittiest me I can be" every morning?

You non-responded to someone's criticism of the game and now you're buttblasted about being called out for it.

>>53024426
>>53024506
It's true that the newer works of Piers Antohny are shit, but Cthon and Pthor make Gor and WoT look like naughty bedroom books.

There's an entire planet of women who are empathically empowered and their brains make you desire them. Except that if you desire them too much, you can't actually get anything done because you're fucking them all the time. So the males developed a defense mechanism - they literally hate the females of the species as a survival trait. So they marry the woman they hate most, and hatefuck them to make babies, and eventually they fall in love and either die in ecstasy or murder their wife to save their own lives.

This was biologically engineered by the planet they live on as a mechanism to kill the goddam parasites infesting it and other planets.

Goreans are a travesty.

>>53024400
Find "Tales of the Flat Earth by Tanith Lee" and you will find yourself sexually confused for days.

>>53026266
It's not a boogeyman. I'm not saying you're secretly from there or something, that's paranoid and pointless.

I'm just saying that if you don't want to be called out on a poor argument or would much rather have any and all critiques treated as sacrosanct, there are alternatives that will facilitate that.

>>53025349
Haha you care about the personal lives of developers of a niche roleplaying game. Nice.

>>53026444
Ok Holden

>>53025906
its a fine rebuttal to your troll post. Go fuck yourself.

If you win both JB and stealth vs everyone, should swarm-culling count as an ambush vs everyone you attack or just the first?

>>53024024
Dem hips.

So what do you guys want to see from the bestiary book, or at least; what do you want to see from its first partial release?

>>53027357
I bet on SV, they consider Ok Holden to be witty and incredibly subtle!

>>53029313
A fully statted out Mask of Winters.

I mean he was in the last two cores!

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>>53024012
*tugs braid*
*sniffs*
wool-headed lummox

I'm half convinced that the Wheel is fuelled by mutual and willfull misunderstandings.

>>53029650
Is Lore 0 still illiteracy in this edition?

>>53029794
No. Linguistics 0 is.

>>53028303
If you have a magical flurry that hits multiple people I'd let the ambush apply to all targets. Otherwise one attack should expend your ambushness.

>>53029751
It absolutely is, I can't remember what series I read after WoT but I was amazed at characters communicating forthrightly with one another, it was just a shock after 14 books of people having VITAL information and not telling someone, especially when they discover how to basically fucking teleport in book 6.

>>53010514
that haircut has really run its course

>>53029881
What constitutes a magical flurry? Swarm-culling just says that it lets you attack dex opponents alternating decisive and withering however you want.

>>53029994
Some writers just have a huge fucking fetish for tragedy borne of characters being unable, unwilling, or just not THINKING to divulge information they have that could completely avert said tragedy.

>>53028303
>If you win both JB and stealth vs everyone, should swarm-culling count as an ambush vs everyone you attack or just the first?
Just the first.

>>53029313
Mostly, a giant behemoth or something that can serve as a boss battle for a group of PCs. Whether or not I'd actually use it, I'd like to see an official example of the stats and mechanics for something like that. If it's good, I could use it as a base for developing my own, too.

>>53029650
I'd like to see this, too, though I'm not expecting it. I'm curious what Deathlord stat blocks will look like in 3e.

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>>53030119
Remember when the UCS and the rest of the Incarnae specifically knew about the Great Curse, and erected a shield to specifically prevent it, and then let it bounce off the shield and hit the Exalted?

And then were totally disgusted/mystified when all the Exalt's started going full retard?

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>>53030348
>I'm curious what Deathlord stat blocks will look like in 3e.

I'm hoping it's not a clusterfuck of bad ideas and setting destroying nonsense like it has been the first two editions. I also want to see pretty clear separations of power between them all, and Mask of Winters be firmly returned to his "Mid-campaign boss" tier level of 1E, with probably FaFL at "End-campaign boss" tier.

>>53030848

What's the rough power-level of a Death Lord? I always put them on the level of a 3CD, because that kind of just made sense to me that I can't explain.

>>53032795

Depends on the Deathlord. Also depends on the 3CD, I guess. MoW is supposed to be the youngest DL though, so he should also be the weakest, and in 1E his stats hovered around 5's and 7's. In 2E they flat out gave MoW FaFL's 1E stats, and he had pretty ridiculous stats.

Not really sure where they should be in relation to 3CD's, but given we only have kind of shitty examples of 3CD's anyway.

That said, Deathlord's probably shouldn't be given the even half the stuff and special exceptions and Charms and spells and etc. that they had in previous editions. It was too much lumping of special benefits and bonuses on one thing, to the point you'd wonder why they even bothered with the contagion, because even the weakest of them could've reasonably solo'd Creation itself due to their overbearing rules.

>>53032975

Is there an Underworld equivalent of 2CDd and 1CDs equivalent? Nephwracks seem to be the closest thing to the former and the latter could feasibly be anything stronger than a zombie.

>>53033176

The 1CD equivalent is probably going to be Liminals, given they're the DB equiv, and DB's were meant to be the Exalted version of 1CD's.

Dunno about 2CD's. Not everything runs by the "3 tiers of difficulty" thing like CD's and Exalt's and Sorcery.

>>53032975
>MoW is supposed to be the youngest DL though, so he should also be the weakest
An age difference of a couple of centuries shouldn't mean much when it comes to being as old as the Deathlords.

>>53025349
>dissidia, for example, didn't have 300 pages of charms/mechanics that amounted to a +1 or -1 on a 1d20 roll, statistically
So, you haven't actually read Ex3, have you? The problem with boring dicetrick Charms is that they're boring, not that they're weak.

has anyone tried having harrowing silence fight some of the adversaries in the core book? how does she do?

>>53024651
Question: is the scene in IT also fetish for going into detail?

>>53024024
>>53023984
Pretty sure he wasn't, those books took WAY too long to write. But maybe he should have been?

>>53033176
In the 1e ghost book they say that, at most, the best of the best of what a ghost can attain is slightly less power than a 2cd. Can't be more explicit.

So big, bad newphracks and 2000 years old ghosts are your 2cd equivalent. Just take the biggies of Stygia.

Should Lunars be treated as being Resonant with Gossamer artifacts? Obviously Solars are, because they're Resonant with everything, and the Fair Folk are, because it's their native Magical Material, but what about the Lunars, who are heavily involved with the Wyld as a part of their backstory and themes?

So, what artifacts have you guys made?

Here's one I'm thinking of: It's an Orichalcum Chain Shirt that takes the form of a belly-dancer outfit laden with a number of golden bells on chains, whose cloth is Gossamer in the form of solidified wind and mist (whose opacity can vary depending on the will of its attuned wearer), along with some matching belled bracelets and anklets and a golden wesekh collar which has a hearthstone setting in it.

Mechanically, it uses the stats for Freedom's Cadence: it combines the motion of wind with the perfection of Orichalcum and the narrative story of Gossamer. It just replaces the pounding of drums with the ringing of bells.

>>53025026
I'm with RapeAnon. Despite them being pieces of fiction or metaphores, we understand what raping the Earth and Mindrape are, which means we are able to seârate the concept of rape from the sexual vehicle we see it most commonly associated with.

Also sorry RapeAnon for this ad-hoc nickname of yours, I'm sure you don't mind that it sounds absolutely terrible.

>>53024124

Read books 1 -- 6. Then skip until Sanderson took over.

>>53024311

Egwene had some pretty dramatic character growth in the last few books. She was possibly the most badass character in the books by the end. It's a shame you had to wade through the first ten books before she amounted to anything.

>>53029994

While the annoying characters being dumb is true, they pretty much taught Travelling to anyone who looked at them twice.

>>53035927
He married his editor

anybody have the adamant siaka lunar alchemical charm conversion thing from 2e?

>>53012362
You don't jerk off too the 4channer any more than you jerk off to the camera man in normal porn. They're just the content provider.

>>53040044

It's true, but not really relevant to WoT. They'd been married ten years before he published Eye of the World. It's more true to say his wife edited his books.

>>53040458
It should still be on the WW boards. Just google for "moon and machine exalted".

>>53042064
Though, as an aside, I have to say that I don't know what I was thinking with the second and third No Moon anima powers.

>>53039598
Yeah but the character Egwene grew into was an absolutely awful one and on the way she made other people look bad so she could look awesome. Egwene is probably up there with my least favorite characters.

>>53039647
Yeah but they never used it for the convenience that it was.

>Oh I could just Travel and go talk to Rand and clear this whole thing up.

>Noooo you can't do that because of some plot contrivance so the misunderstandings can continue

>>53042397
Jordan wasn't the greatest writer in terms of plot. He had good ideas, and he obviously put effort into his setting, but I think he was the kind of writer who would've been at his best as a part of a writing team for something.

>>53042064
thanks, I didn't know it's name
http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/exalted/73912-moon-and-machine-it4

>>53010514
>What do anons of Onyx Path's new delivery model with "antagonist of the week" ?
The overall idea seems reasonable, but I find the choice of a Solar as a first antagonist disheartening, as this is less of an expansion of the game and more a mechanical convenience of not having to stat up a Solar yourself.

>>53038745

Didn't we tell you to fuck off earlier in the thread?

>>53043659
Yeah. Solar NPCs have their place, as they serve to give an idea of what Solars might get up to and what kind of impacts they have on their surroundings. It was a bad choice for the first antagonist to be released, though.

How do you come up with anima banners? What makes for a good one? Do anima banners change over time, or is it set once you exalt?

>>53044839

They're set once you pick them (A charm in performance can change it though).

Usually when I make anima banners I think "How can I use this to be neat when I flare?" A socialite whose anima is cherry blossoms could have ghostly versions of them flying in the air as they make a dramatic speech, or a Brawler could have something like a Stand from Jojo attacking along with him (Depending on the game, some people may even allow the anima to do the entire attack in this case)

>>53044839

It's set once you Exalt. I usually pick something that is related to one of their intimacies, their Supernal ability, or a significant life event.

>>53044839
>Do anima banners change over time, or is it set once you exalt?
The Anima Banner is a totemic representation of an Exalt's true nature, showing the world the kind of man he is inside. Ask yourself this: what can change the nature of a man?

>>53045094
...A sacred prostitute? It worked on Enkidu.

>>53043829
>It was a bad choice for the first antagonist to be released, though.

Agreed, though I personally think a lot of the complaints boil down to whining about Solars not being interesting.

>>53044992
>>53045040
>>53045094

Speaking of which; what are some good anima banners you've seen?

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>>53045333

Good answer.

Once there was a maiden...
Who sought the glories of the Sun,
And coveted the the secrets of the Stars.
She danced through the Day with a warm inner light that burned the Darkness.
She stepped through the Night, seen by few, to see what should be.
Always flowing like water, quick as wind, like flickering flames,
Norished by her steadyness to many flowers.
Until the world forgot her and she became what she sought.
¨Dedication¨, she whispered, ¨leaves no room for self.¨

>>53047912

What

>>53047912
There once was a maiden, usurped from her rightful place so his servants could steal the fruits of her work and abandon their posts to the comforts of a narcotic haze, allowing her creation to decay. In outrage she cried “When life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Make life rue the day it thought it could give Malfeas lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the empyreal chaos who’s gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I’m gonna get liger to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!” and so the solar lemons were studied and worked, and squeezed into a bitter juice of justice to be thrown into life's bitch face. and so begins the story of the princes of the green sun.

>>53051279
it was of course about this time that i realized life was a giant crustacean from the paleolithic era

I was thinking of borrowing Cecylene's "a trip takes a specific amount of time regardless of speed" concept for a netherworld in one of my settings and realized that I don't have a good conception of how Cecylene works. You travel for five days regardless of your speed and all of a sudden you're in Malfeas. Do you see it on the horizon? Does Malfeas sort of "form" around you? How exactly would you describe traveling through Cecylene, /exg/? Sorry if my question is dumb.

I have no experience whatsoever in Exalted, but I am aware of its reputation as a TTRPG for weebs. That said, I have one question: could it's system be used for a One Piece setting?

>>53052467
>could it's system be used for a One Piece setting?

Probably not EXACTLY so. Now if you just want crazy oceangoing piracy adventures, there's an entire fourth of the map for that.

>>53052467

I'd probably wait for Sardonyx or use Mutants and Masterminds 3e

>>53052571
>Sardonyx
What's that?

>>53052601

It's White Wolf's system for Trinity and Scion. It's like a combination of FATE and Storyteller.

>>53052624
Interesting. In hindsight I could have just googled it, but thanks anon

>>53052624
They changed the name of that system a while back; it's now called the "Storypath System".

I kinda liked Sardonyx System better though.