EDH/Commander General

Doing a standard cards only edh tournament. Rashmi or Jori-En?

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>>52999569
>Normal, full art or snow covered lands
Normal because I'm using M15 lands

>>52999629
A gun to shoot yourself with

>>52999629
Would go with Rashmi

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>Ezuri about to trample me
>cast Roon's Stunt Double, copying Darien's Darien
>cast Roon's Flash for Kokusho, leaving me at 2 life and 51 Soldier tokens
>turn rolls over to me
>cast Ezuri's Coat of Arms
This is why I play Gonti.

>>53000010
Got a list? That's the kind of play I've been hoping for but never sure how to get out of Sen Triplets.

>>53000010
How do you end up with 2 life after saccing a kokusho?

>>52999569
>Normal, full art or snow covered lands?

Depends on the deck. Most get Normal and like it. Generally, Revised because classic frame and for some reason I have a shitton of Revised basics. A few decks get Full Art, just because I felt like it. I only use snow for decks that care. Which I haven't made yet but really should.

>>53000000

>>53000118
That's gonna be a while. The actual deck is fairly different from my first draft, so I'm gonna have to type it in card by card.

>>53000137
Because I was at 38 and got attacked for 51.

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Have you tried any EDH variations like tiny leaders, pauper EDH or 1vs1? How would you rate them? What was the fun part and what was bad?

>>53000186
Tiny leaders is shit and 1v1 doesn't work as a 'variant' unless you're talking Duel Commander which went full retard and hacked the format to 20 life, defeating much of the purpose.

Pauper seems pretty decent, though. I can't be sure since I'm not so much aware of the Meta involved.

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>>53000186
Pauper EDH is a great if you just throw decks together out of the commons you have lying around. Proxy the general if you need to, don't need to spend a single cent on a deck.

>>53000118
Here you go.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-05-17-ast-gonti/

>>53000372
I don't get why people play gonti as their general, without many ways to blink him or return him to your hand in mono black, he seems like a much better reanimation target in another deck's 99.

>>53000496
Because it's fun.

>>53000372
Thanks, anon

>>53000496
If you don't know why you'd play him, you haven't played him.

It's so much fucking fun

>>53000372
You can play lands with Gonti, right? Just not more than one per turn without something else?

>>53000518
You can't. You can only cast cards exiled with Gonti and you can't cast lands. You can still exile them, but you won't be able to do anything with them unless you also somehow get an Oblivion Sower.

What are the MUST-RUN cards to make mono-red a viable semi-competitive deck?

>Chaos Warp
>Divergent Transformations
>Blasphemous Act
>Vandalblast
>Nevinyrral's Disk
>Steel Hellkite
>Shattering Spree

Argentum Armor? Mind's Eye, Skullclamp, Infiltration Lens? Staff of Nin?

I need tips for giving my mono red decks more answers, and more access to those answers.

>>53000186
tiny leaders is shit, pauper EDH is actually really fun (and cheap). ive played 1v1 like twice and it was pretty shit

>>53000568
hedron archive

>>53000543
Huh. Guess my friend was right. Well, time to apologize and start shoving his Cabal Coffers at the bottom.

>>52999569
>Normal, full art or snow covered lands?
Always art from whatever set the commander came from, unless the set had no basics then unhinged for sure

>>53000186
I have been playing super super casual tiny leaders and its fun
pauper edh is so incredibly boring and bad
french/Leviathan is my preferred format online

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>>53000186
Tiny leaders was fun until most of my group started to hate it after me and another guy kept winning with shitbrews compared to their decks they actually sank money into, been trying to convince my group to pauper edh but nobody is into it, and 1v1 is only good when we want to test out decks otherwise its cancer. Rate my mostly unedited shitbrew of Breya and tell me how to improve it

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>>53001149
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/breya-and-the-seekers-who-are-seeking/

How do I keep fucking this up

>>52999569
>Normal, full art or snow covered lands?
i dont have a preference in lands with the exception of all ursa islands in my memnarch deck. other than that i just use whatever comes out of the basic land box first

>>52999569
Depends on the commander.
I prefer Innistrad basics because I got into Magic then

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>>53000568
>What are the MUST-RUN cards to make mono-red a viable semi-competitive deck?
>>53000831
tg being bad at magic again
its not that bad but its not going to turn a bad mono red deck into a viable one

>>53001226
its ramp and card draw, its a solution to the two biggest problems that red has in a single card. if you think its not great in mono red you might actually be retarded

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>>53001226
>Local LGS Store has a Daretti deck
>It's 60-80 bucks

>>53001164
Cogwork Assembler seems really bad
you have a lot of agro cards in the deck but the average cmc is really high
you have the sword of the meek combo in the deck but no real way of protecting it
6/10 would win against a lot of decks based on value alone

>>53001226
>i need card that help me use my cards and get me cards
>this card does both
>hurrrr its not good
the old pretending to be retarded trick i see, classic

>>53001266
2 slow
>draw 2 for 6 mana
>if you dont think this is a must run for mono red decks you might be retarded
get down sparky!

>>53001226
Mind Stone, Hedron Archive and Dreamstone Hedron are all good cards for both mono red/white and Boros

>>53001282
What would you suggest replacing Assembler with and to lower the average cmc? The sword combo doesn't actually get targeted that often due to the group mostly being casual to semi-competitive with only 1 cutthroat deck between the 5 of us.

>>53001322
>acting like mono red has better options

>>53001370
>not running faithless looting or cathartic reunion

>>53001294
its no MUST RUN card
Coercive portal is also a very good card that fills in two slots but its also slow and I would never put it on a must run list.

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>>53001366
I'm not really sure but pic related came to mind

>>53001390
Faithless Looting doesn't help if you don't have any cards in hand.
Besides
>running only 2 draw spells, 2 of which require discarding

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>>53001370
>hedron archive is the best draw you can get in red

>>53001421
My only question is why are you dumping your entire hand? Most of red's efficient draw comes from looting if you don't count artifacts.

>>53001440
This is also fantastic red draw along with reforge the soul and incendiary command

>>53001440
its also a fraction of the price anon and here isa super secret tip! you can totally use both

>>53001440
>tfw poorfag and use Magus and wheel of fate instead

>>53001554
Still better than archive

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>>53001554

>tfw use Magus of the Will in black because also poorfag

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>>53001627
>tfw have a playset of Will that I never used

>>53000543
Oblivion Sower doesn't work because the card is face down.

>>53001597
Can you just fuck off? i'm really tired of autists in this general acting like they are the sole arbiter of what is playable and what is not. It's a mana rock that offers draw if you don't need it in a fee turns, it's a good card to run.

>>53001666
I never said it was bad faggot
I just said it's not a must run
Holy shit fucking read the posts

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In which kind of decks would you run this card? Im not talking about obvious Paradox Engine-type decks.

>>53001722
any commander deck ever?

>>53001722
Monocolored decks

>>53001687
I did read the chain, all i see is another circle jerk starting, it's always the same thing
"WAAH, this card is the best"
"REEE, it's shit" we do this like every other thread, and it's pretty tiring.

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>>53001722
Any deck with needed ramp or color fixing or you can just use Hedron Archive

>>53001775
>disagree with hedron archive being the best draw in mono red
>wheel of fate and magus of wheel are better than archive
>le ebin reeeee
maybe this isnt the place for you then, friend.
try reddit.

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Have you guys ever made a deck using cards you already own? I was looking through some cards I own and saw that I had an incomplete Adriana deck and thought of finishing it up to play at my LGS

>>53001722
tend to see them in grixis and esper decks a lot

>>53001885
>Have you guys ever made a deck using cards you already own?
almost exclusively
i used to make 1-2 decks a week just switching around staples, using random trash rares and playable uncommons. its how I found the decks that suited my playstyle the best.

>>53000568

You're not gonna like it, but land destruction.

>>53001895
That's the thing. It's weird because one would tend to think that it's usefulness would decrease the more colors your deck has.

>>53001390
>red card draw
>lists a card that's card disadvantage on the first cast and card neutral on the flashback
>and another that's card neutral

You might have brain problems, because those don't do anything to help a red player's inevitability of running out of gas unless he's heavy on reanimation which only applies to Daretti, Feldon or Bosh.

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What are some wincons for Naya that don't require a specific Commander? I was thinking of making a Samut deck that appeared to be Voltron on its surface (and could win that way if needed) but typically won through other means.

>>53001932
making colored mana in non-green decks becomes more important when you have a lot of colors to get
it doenst feel that good in 4c
3c feels like a sweet spot between color fixing and ramping

>>53001963
Bant beaters plus green

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>>53001885
>Have you ever built a deck

To answer your question though I build alot of shitbrews that are casual but have game winning potential
>tfw I have more fun building decks than playing them

>>53001937
>those don't do anything to help a red player's inevitability of running out of gas unless he's heavy on reanimation

Which is why every red deck runs some sort of wheel effect right because they have all that recursion

>>53001885
I did.

I made an Oviya Pashiri out of green scrap I had.

It's pretty bad, but it can win if I'm lucky. like, Hasty Old Kozilek kind of luck.

>>53001963
craterhoof
suntitan + safi + balsting station combo
kiki shit
mirror entity shenanigans

>>53001963
Defense of the Heart and Tooth and Nail are extra broken in Samut

>>53002005
They run wheels because they're actual card draw you fucking nonce

>>53002163
And when is looting not card draw? Shut up faggot

>>53002184
C A R D A D V A N T A G E

>>53001722
I run it in Sydri. Goes infinite with Voltaic Construct.

>>53002184
You end up not having any more cards in your hand after the loot effect.

>>53002194
filtering is actually very good
scry and looter effects tend to be overlooked for raw card advantage but if you are ever looking for a specific answer you will always be better off paying less mana to see the same amount of cards
granted not even blue has 3 mana draw 7 without the downside of everyone also discard/drawing so thats sort of its own monster.

>>53001871
I don't know what i expected, shitty posts get shitty responses i guess

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Post 'em if ya got 'em.

Not sure what to build next as I am uninspired by the new gods. Always wanted a graveyard commander but never got around to it.

>>53002239
Filtering is good indeed, but the discussion was about red running out of gas, where filtering is pointless if you don't have cards with actual card draw.

>>53002359
You still draw for turn, and have plenty of lands to discard

>>53002405
And I also always have mana for a counterspells, which I have always in hand.
>tfw flashing in Notion Thief in response to Cathartic Reunion and next turn casting Careful Consideration on him in combat step

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>>53002326
I have a problem

>>53002489
and thats why Leovold is banned as a commander
fucking hell am I glad

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>>53002326
>Ezuri, Claw of Progress
Typical cookie cutter but with some janky stuff others don't use
>Gitrog Monster
Graveyard and combo, the strongest of all my decks
>Mimeoplasm
Reanimator that would probably work the same if Mimeoplasm was in the 99 and Tasigur was the helm
>Breya
Artifacts.dec
>Kaervek
Freshly brewed taxes with a mix of RB goodstuff
>Depala
Vehicle tribal, janky as hell but can pull of some suprising moves
>Jarad
My first deck and casual green pubstomp with black for support

>>53002326
>Nekusar
Wheels.dec
>Yidris
"What the fuck am I cascading into?" ft. storm
>Noyan Dar
Budget land beatdown

>>53002535
I did in my Dralnu

>>52999569
I change my basics based on the set/plane my commander is from. Jin-Gitaxias has all New Phyrexia islands, Avacyn 3.0 has a mix of Innistrad and SoI basics, etc...

The exception to this rule is Lu Bu, because he has snow mountains for Extraplanar Lens, Skred, Scrying Sheets, and a few others.

>>53002987
at least notion thief cant be in the command zone anymore :P
that being said what do you guys think about brining back the banned as commander list?

>>53003013
>Lu Bu
list?

>>53003022
I'd like the idea, but probably it will never happen. Having a card in both lists would be silly though

>>53003093
well if its on the actual banned list it wouldnt need to be on the banned as a commander

>>53003133
But then it wouldn't be clear and people would think that it's okay as a commander if it didn't appear in the list

>>53003038
I haven't typed it up, but this one is really close. It's Voltron with red control elements. Dies to edict effects something fierce.

>>53003159
Oh come on I know the average magic player is pretty much potato^potato but give them SOME slack

>>53003293
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lu-bu-hobo-with-a-shotgun/

Might help if I pasted the dang link.

>>53001923
I used to think that land destruction had no place in casual EDH... But now I realize I had a warped view of casual EDH. I used to think that cards like Sheoldred, Jitte, Ulamog, a few God enchantment creatures, etc all had no place in casual EDH.
Nowadays I realize that these things are fine for casual EDH, but with that realization I've also realized that Land Destruction should be fine as well. The truth is that if someone is playing mono red they not only can't take care of powerful enchantments but they have very few ways to take out creatures with over 7 toughness or indestructible creatures. So are you going to tell me that they should either A) get very lucky or B) willingly lose the game because they have no options?
No, neither of those choices are acceptable. The truth is that land destruction is the most powerful tool in Red's arsenal, not using it puts mono red players at a supreme disadvantage. If you feel like you're allowed to use supremely strong creatures "because they can be removed" or supremely strong enchantments "because they can be removed" then I feel that I'm allowed to use supremely strong land destruction "because you can run mana rocks".
And just as you say "Well you should run more removal!" I say "Well you should run more mana rocks!" and then you can say "Well I do but they aren't in my hand right now!" and I reply WITH THE EXACT SAME SENTIMENT towards removal.
So at the end of the day I say this; If the point of casual edh is still to win, which it obviously is if you're running $20 powerful praetors, then I'm going to do what I can to win, which is to keep you from being able to play those praetors.

>>53002540
Can i see kaervek list please?

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>>53003503
this is nice meme

>>53003598
Your fucking mother is a nice meme kid get good and stop playing Sheoldred OP bullshit

>>53003657
>Sheoldred posting
this trend needs to die

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>>53003782
I wonder who could be behind this post.

>>53002326
I've only got one list right now, Melek fast combo.

>>53003657
Sheoldred is the worst praetor though. Even Urabrask is better.

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>>53002326
i literally just started in edh, haven't even played a game yet. just got a deck together and now i'm working on a backup.

i wanted to do symmetrical card draw with multani-mario sorcerer but after putting selvala into the deck i'm starting to wonder if i should make her the commander and just deck multani.

Are any of the 2015/2016 prebuilts worth getting?

>>53004003
Depends. Breya, Meren and Atraxa are pretty good out of the box while Yidris, Mizzix and Ezuri get pretty good after a few upgrades.

The others aren't that amazing, though.

>>53001885
Used to, but while I've got a great old collection of random gems, I;m kinda light on Format staples. I hacked together a decent Gwendlyn DiCorci Troll.dec that was short a mere 6 cards (Sol Ring, all 3 Signets, Disk, and Mindslaver) that I considered essential. Everything else was whatever I had lying around.

What are red go-to winning cards other than Insurrection?

>>53004226
Being red, there really arent many. It's a supplementary color in EDH.

That said, I'm a fan of Comet Storm and Fall of Titans

>>53003985
>i wanted to do symmetrical card draw with multani-mario sorcerer
one of the coolest decks in our group is a multani deck
dude based the deck off of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddAs31dTntY

>>53004003
built from scratch and the mono green one are bretty gud

>>53004337
this has a lot of the stuff my deck currently does. i'm not a fan of proxies tho so i'm gonna have to skip the awesome 300 dollar cradle. glad to hear the deck is popular and fun. i'll refer back to this video if i need help.

>>53001267
>tfw you picked up a Daretti precon, a pack of Conspiracy, and the Ob half of Ov v Nissa duel decks at a local Target for 14$
>tfw you later turn some random cards and some stuff I didn't need from the precon into six packs of AHK, pulling Oketra and white Parallel Lives

>tfw you get precon Teferi for another 14$ later

>tfw you spend roughly 30$ on a grand total of eight packs, two good EDH precons, and some random filler cards out of non-Commander precons

>>53004530
at least running the nykthos though right?
would be hard to win without massive amounts of mana

>>53004624
yeah i already had a nykthos. in general i'm game for cards up to 20-30 but once things go above that i start to get squeemish. i have a few hundred dollars in trade cards that i can exchange for most things. (if my lgs has them)

>>53000568
Tribal goblins

>people posting their generals
>don't post the actual generals with one of each basic land art in the deck on their playmat for us to judge.

Opinions on urborg + cabal coffers in a grixis deck with expedition map and tolaria west?

>>53002540

Do you need a good land base(Fetches, expensive lands, etc) to play a mean Gitrog?

>>53005299
>>53005299
Old Hanna looks terrible.

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>>53005651

Hanna is a shit tier waifu anyway. Ertai was best girl.

>>53000186
Pauper EDH is fun, but you need to start with a lower life total than you would regular EDH. Also things just kinda stick around because of less removal, so you have bigger late games.

>>53003324
7 creatures, living on the wild side

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>>53005714
>Ertai was best girl

>>53005592
Honestly you can do gitrog just fine with life from the loam and dakmor salvage, if you want a fully optimized deck though you will need to spring some cash for cards, namely crucible of worlds, and will need every swamp/forest fetch you can get, more budget oriented decks will use stuff like wood elves/yavimaya dryad for fetches and drownyard temple is also fantastic

>Can't help but keep building the 4 and 5 Color Commanders

I guess that's part of the issue with playing EDH with a bunch of people that keep deck strength reigned in: I keep finding janky combos that span multiple colors I want to keep trying.

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>>53005299

>>53005299
Because that's fucking gay

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>>53006244

>melek
>solid playmat
>good taste in basics

Not a fan of that Sol Ring, but bretty gud otherwise.

>>53006274

Your mom is fucking gay m8

>>53006722
Literally every thing in that picture is garbage, holy fuck how can one person have such poor taste

>>53006818

Post yours bb

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I guess it's that time again, post your best basics.

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>>53007018
>>53007018
I always find forests to be lacking which is a shame because every single deck I build uses green

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>>53006847
>being this insecure

>>53007171
Mountains are the fucking worst. For every good mountain, there's 10 ugly messes of red + black/white/brown

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>tfw the mailman brought your package of cards back to the post office because there was no one to greet him at the door when they normally just leave the package on your stoop if you're not home.
Why? I was looking forward to sleeving that deck up too...

>>53007845
>leave the package on your stoop if you're not home
I don't understand how this is common practice anywhere

>>53007966
I don't live in the ghetto.

>>53007966
Get this. I don't even lock my doors.

>>53007018
Your basic land choices are the pinnacle of taste

>>53007845
Just go to the post office trash.

>>53002326
>Yidris
Storm
>Mizzix
Buyback combos; storm
>Baral
High Tide storm
>Sidisi, Undead Visier
ANT
>Animar
Creature toolbox/Storm
>Dralnu
Doomsday/Storm
>Jori En
Storm
>Noyan Dar
Land Voltron/Stax

Decks I'm assembling:
>Shirei
Sac loop control
>Mazirek
Melira Pod
>Ghave
Melira Pod
>Kaseto
Drawgo
>Tymaret
Reanimator/Worldgorger loop

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Post commanders you would build in a heartbeat if they were legendary.

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>>53008457
One of my favorite creatures

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>>53008527
>Consuming aberration storm with stifle-type cards and yard exile to counteract eldrazi titans and blightsteel
I want to build it so bad

>>53008568
Doesn't work on Blightsteel.

>>53008568
How hard is it to learn the difference in between triggers and replacement effects?

>>53008312
I work until well after the post office closes and go in before they get to my place.

OK /edhg/ I'm at a deckbuilding Impasse: the Dralnu brew works, but right now it feels more like Artifact Rube Goldberg Machine ft. Dralnu than Dralnu Spellslinger/Storm.

Suggest either Doomsday piles that are more "Dralnu"-ish or, generically, Dralnu play strategies and wincons.

>>53008776
>>53008625
Oops remembered Blightsteel as a trigger accidentally, my bad.

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>>52999569
Depends on deck. Some decks due to card frames or art color just look better using select basic land art. My go-to I'd matched full arts, however.

>>53002326
Gladly

>>53002519
Noice

>>53008457
Stuffy doll

>>53009056
Are you running High Tide/Bubbling Muck/Urborg and untap effects?

>>53007018
I like the new Guay basics.

>>53008625
It does if they had leyline of the void because the replacement effect would exile it instead of it going to the grave for its own replacement effect. Rest in piece works too, but we are talking UB here.

>>53008568
>Not using Duskmantle Guildmage, Bloodchief Ascension, and Undead Alchemist

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>>53007018
>>53009238
*My go to is matched-art full-art lands.

Top 3 of each type. Not pictured: Ulamog/calcium wastes best wastes.

so my Gisa and Geralf zombie tribal deck that performed ok at my group has lately been utterly stomped as the other player's decks have become more and more powerful.
Any tips to make this more powerful without costing arm and leg?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gisa-and-geralf-wincest/

>look for an interesting Naya commander
>see new one from Amon
>go to LGS
>over hear 5 different players looking for one

The search continues. Fucking christ.

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>>53002326
I made a few tweaks here and there.

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>>53002326

>Liliana, Heretical Healer
Value MBC featuring madness

>Ghoulcaller Gisa
Zombie Tribal

>Tana, the Bloodsower
Elfball druid combo

>Pharika, God of Afflictions
Land affliction with constellation

>Grenzo, Havoc Raiser
Tokens and shit

>Queen Marchesa
Super fiends and control

>Reyhan, the Last Abzan
>Silas Renn, Seeker Adapt
Artifact and +1/+1 combo featuring Stations

>Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
Mono fucking brown

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What's the best commander for Elf Tribal? Nath? Dwynen? Rhys? Ezuri? Eladamri?

>>53010568
Ezuri is always the best choice, honestly. Having Overrun on a stick is amazing, specially with toys like priest of titania, elvish archdruid and cradle.

>>53010383
Got a pharika list? Sounds interesting.

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Any budget staples for pic related? Bought the last one at my LGS recently. For now I picked few cards from Nissa vs. Ob Nixilis duel decks and found few tapping damage dealers but nothing special

>>53010725

Yup. Haven't done much to it recently, but here it is.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/pharika-build/

>>53010738
Any eldrazis you can get your hands on.

>>53001370
>He's never cast Crimson Wisps on a boardstate of Zada and a dozen tokens

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How the fuck do you make Zurgo voltron good in multiplayer or at least playable? I've literally only ever won once off a worldslayer connecting. He he gets removed once or twice and I'm just out of the game.

>>53002519
Link for the Darigaaz list? I always thought he was hot garbage in EDH but never thought about Infect.

>>53003595
No fuck off

>>53011678
You're in mardu. Protecting your creatures shouldn't be hard. Use the usual suspects for shroud (whispersilk cloak, lightning greaves, swiftfoot boots), put in a sunforger so you can fetch your eerie interlude and boros charm at instant speed to protect your zurgo, play 10 million boardwipes to fuck with everyone, destroy everyone's lands as a finisher when Zurgo has high enough power. Nobody should be able to recover from an obliterate cast in your turn with zurgo on the field.

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>>53010738
Demons, my dude
Pestilence Demon
Reiver Demon
Kuro, Pitlord
Overseer of the Damned maybe

>>53011678
Assault Suit and every single board wipe in the game

People will groan but you will win every so often

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Hey fellas im looking to create an OOZE themed deck, constructing that i have currently completed is just below, money is no factor and im wiling to spend
>Land (36)
1x Breeding Pool
1x Command Tower
1x Creeping Tar Pit
1x Dimir Aqueduct
1x Drowned Catacomb
1x Evolving Wilds
9x Forest
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Golgari Rot Farm
1x Hinterland Harbor
1x Hissing Quagmire
1x Island
1x Llanowar Reborn
1x Mutavault
1x Novijen, Heart of Progress
1x Opal Palace
1x Opulent Palace
1x Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
1x Overgrown Tomb
1x Simic Growth Chamber
1x Spawning Pool
1x Swamp
1x Temple of Deceit
1x Temple of Malady
1x Temple of Mystery
1x Terramorphic Expanse
1x Watery Grave
1x Woodland Cemetery
Instant (5)
1x Abrupt Decay
1x Mystic Genesis
1x Plasm Capture
1x Putrefy
1x Voidslime

>>53011925
>Creature (22)
1x Acidic Slime
1x Altered Ego
1x Ancient Ooze
1x Birds of Paradise
1x Consumptive Goo
1x Corpsejack Menace
1x Cryptoplasm
1x Eternal Witness
1x Experiment Kraj
1x Experiment One
1x Gluttonous Slime
1x Gobbling Ooze
1x Inexorable Blob
1x Manaplasm
1x Mephitic Ooze
1x Mitotic Slime
1x Necroplasm
1x Necrotic Ooze
1x Predator Ooze
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Sepulchral Primordial
1x Void Stalker
>Sorcery (12)
1x Clone Legion
1x Creeping Mold
1x Decree of Pain
1x Gelatinous Genesis
1x Harmonize
1x Increasing Savagery
1x Incremental Growth
1x Miming Slime
1x Reprocess
1x Rite of Replication
1x Slime Molding
1x Traverse the Ulvenwald
>Commander
the Mimeoplasm
Enchantment (13)
1x Bred for the Hunt
1x Corrupted Zendikon
1x Death's Presence
1x Doubling Season
1x Forced Adaptation
1x Gutter Grime
1x Hardened Scales
1x Ooze Flux
1x Parallel Lives
1x Pernicious Deed
1x Phyrexian Arena
1x Primal Vigor
1x Rhystic Study
>Artifact (11)
1x Coalition Relic
1x Coat of Arms
1x Darksteel Ingot
1x Dimir Signet
1x Door of Destinies
1x Golgari Signet
1x Mimic Vat
1x Mind Stone
1x Simic Signet
1x Slate of Ancestry
1x Sol Ring
>Maybeboard (2)
1x Door of Destinies
1x Plasm Capture

>>53011945
>>53011925
Tappedout this shit, dear god, please

>>53011925
>>53011945
Delete this SHIT.

>>53011985
>>53011975
Well what do you guys think?

>>53012046
I think you should give suicide a good long think.

>>53012046
I think you should put it on tappedout, I'm not googling all the cards I don't know

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>>53012046

>>53012061
Use AutocardAnywhere, just FYI

>>53011945
Really though, tappedout. Please.

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My decks:

1) Grand Arbiter Augustin IV no-holes-barred ruthless competitive deck, designed for competitive metas and stepping on pubstomp bullies:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/stop-losing-play-this-gaa4-competitive/
2) Budget variant on the same deck:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/peace-budget-competitive-control/
3) Optimized Queen Marchesa, admittedly a bit of a brew with some friends, not all my work, but pretty effective.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/splinter-queen/
4) All value Meren, no combo, just durdles around killing stuff and ramping until it loses to a combo player. Tonnes of fun to play. List is very out-dated atm, but desu it's Meren you've seen it all before:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mrs-meren-says-the-value-train-never-ends/
5) Tibor & Lumia jank - ludicriously fun to play. Surprisingly effective. As many bad counterspells as possible. Suffocating blast is the best way to counter a spell, except maybe Mindswipe.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hello-izzet-me-youre-looking-for-4/

Retired:
Dune-brood Nephalim tokens
Sigarda, Host of Herons voltron
Kozilek, the Great Distortion Eldrazi tribal
Yisan, Wanderer Bard - budget combo

>>53009903
anyone?

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>>53012176
>AutocardAnywhere
You're a godsend

>>53009903
Necrotic Ooze, Triskellion, Phyrexian Devourer, Mikaeus the Unhallowed. Burred Alive, Entomb, Reaninate, Raise Dead.
Boom, enjoy playing black - no one else does.

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Actually finally finished version 1 of Brago, but it's not up on TappedOut yet. Mostly because it's shit that doesn't even come close to competing with my friends' decks. It needs serious tweaking. However, what little I was able to do with it was great, bouncing and detaining...

I need to update this pic with that and include that my next two want-to-builds are Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons and Brion Stoutarm. Zada needs tweaking too.

>>53012352
How the fuck do you end up with an empty hand in Zada? It's tokens and cantrips

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So I'm shifting my Atraxa deck over to a bit more of a Superfriends focus ad put in more Walkers to make more of her ability, as relying on counters on creatures is relatively unreliable.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-05-17-atraxa-wip/

Any help or suggestion?
On a rather limited budget and don't have fetches and the 'great' dual lands, though mana has been not too much of an issue, really.
Probably need generally more Planeswalkers, less Ajani and obviously eventually a Doubling Season. Still, more help is appreciated and any small infinite combos are also fair game, as my group does allow having one or two in the deck.

>>53012352
Mind posting a Kambal list?

>>53012370
>How the fuck do you end up with an empty hand in Zada? It's tokens and cantrips

Which is why it needs tweaking. I built it wrong - didn't look at any established lists and just pulled out of my cards - and when I play I end up top-decking a lot. It could use more hand-refilling effects and, as you say, the basics that I'm missing.

Feel free to look. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/do-the-goblin-wave/

>>53012439
Sure thing. I've actually won several times with Kambal, which is unusual. One member of my groups tends to make very efficient decks. While not necessarily high-powered, they do what they mean to do and pretty quickly if not stopped. I'm not the best deckbuilder, I'll admit it right out. Kambal's one where I actually started ordering singles rather than just going through my boxes for whatever fits.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-01-17-bleed-them-dry/

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>>53012564
Thanks anon.

>>53012600
Enjoy. I found Kambal a lot of fun and I tend to avoid both White and Black. Being the big stupid Timmy I am, I'm not used to slow kills and just sitting back to watch triggers go off.

>>53009056
An anon last thread ran 6-7 "you lose" lich-like effects, and all the ways to donate them. Seemed like a pretty flavorful deck.

>>53012185
holy shit anon calm down, $3000 on an edh deck is too much.

>>53012421
You'll find super friends tedious. I've yet to find someone that enjoys it.

>>53012564
Get more cantrips. Get more Rituals, a Past in Flames and an Empty the Warrens. Gaze of Adamaro does not do what you think

>>53012421
>>53012889
I agree. I played atraxa superfriends for a couple months and it was fun for a little bit but it got boring pretty fast because the deck does the same thing every time. there was no real variance to the deck it was just i ult this walker and now I win. Game 2?

>>53001164
Its half precon for starters but you do have some combo pieces in there, so for a casual breya its alright to have fun with and maybe luck into a combo. otherwise i suggest more tutors or more combos.

here's my slightly competitive breya,combos for days and tutors to get there
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/breya-combo-queen-3/

Can someone give me some feedback on my Kefnet deck?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kefnets-wintery-grasp/

>>53012905
I'm surprised you missed that I have Empty the Warrens already.

And Gaze of Adamaro does exactly what I think it does. In my local meta (i.e. the two guys I play with most) it's not uncommon for them to have a huge amount of cards in hand. Same reason I have a Detention Sphere in Brago, because they love token spam.

I do own a Past In Flames. Not sure why I didn't have it in there!

Pretty new to both commander and magic

What is a good commander for building a 75% deck that is easy enough for a new player to execute?

>>53013165
Buy a precon

>>53001722
literally every single commander deck ever. wizards should reprinting it the same way they do sol ring honestly

>>53001722
I run this in Dralnu, it puts in work

Just found out Hazezon is a trap commander. Shame because he looks like a really cool card but I'll have to make a Gahiji deck if I wanna run him.

>>53013165
Anything creature based and RUG.

Never buy a precon.

>>53013996
Gahiji is fucking awful though.

pulled a foil hapatra, whats some good ways to build her? i was thinking infect

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>>53001963
Threadly reminder that this card and it's makers are bullshit

>>53014348
Blowfly Infestation. Nest of Scarabs.

A bunch of other suggestions from a /tg/ thread.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hapatra-test-2/

>>53014348
Skeleton Ship but replace the blue -1/-1 and proliferate bullshit with green bullshit.

>>53013996
make a shitload of mana and have a sac outlet and play hazezon 2 or 3 times in a turn for a good time

he's better than gahiji

>>53013996
Shields of Velis Vel in response to Hazezon dying to exile all creatures target player controls.

>>53014715
Dats hilarious.

>>53009646
Good taste, friendo

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>make Trostani deck
>have Parallel Lives on the field
>have Anointed Procession on the field
>cast Arachnogenesis for 6
>set up Phyrexian Processor for 9/9
>Angel of Sanctions dies but then I embalm him and start populating

I am scum but boy am I enjoying it.

>>53015741
rhys is cooler

>>53015783
Rhys is in there, so is Oviya. They love working together.

>>53009380
Neither does, Blightsteel never goes to the graveyard to be exiled by rest in piece.

>>53015803
i just can't get over how good it feels to get paradise mantle on rhys

>>53015816
Yeah paying two mana for a Birds sounds wonderful.

>>53015816
wait why? Why would I want to tap Rhys for mana when he could generate tokens for me instead?

>>53015841
umbral mantle*

whoops

>>53015879
Ah, yeah that's pretty helpful, especially when you have Mirari's wake or Cryptolith Rite on the field.

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>>53008457
Everything about this card just screams legendary, and it would be the only truly viable burn commander in the game.

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>attack player
>player complains

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>>53016033
"Why me, dude? Look at his board!"
'Yeah, it's scary. Think of it as a small investment on your part.'

>>53016033
Yeah I bet you think you're really cool don't you, asshole?

>>53015940
>only viable burn commander
Holy shit when was the last time you played edh, 2010?

>>53015940
what if i do vial-smasher with someone green and ramp into 15+ fireballs?

>>53016174
Then you would be playing burn, he doesnt know what hes talking about.

>>53015940
I know you want this to be a burn deck, but we both know it would really be an extra turn deck.

if i was going green/black necrotic ooze combo with no other colors, what sort of tutors should i include? already running buried alive, entomb, and the full suite of good black tutors.

>>53014672
Yeah it's great on paper however getting to that point and realizing that most Hazezon decks don't do a damn thing before casting him is the problem. Best case scenario is you drop Purphoros early and get some pressure with token generators but it begs the question of why not just make a Purphoros deck. Hazezon costs 7 mana and unless your opponents are mindless enough to let you have a Purphoros, Warstorm Surge, or whatever other enchantment then the deck folds when he's casted and your key pieces are destroyed.

Gahiji isn't bad though he's definitely not the best Naya commander.
>>53014715
I'm aware of this tech. He's still just a lackluster token maker though.

>>53016720
the coolest of the old legends from legends is rasputin dreamweaver, but most of the time he just becomes a boring blink deck with some infinite combos.

>>53016755
i'm a fan of gwendolyn and xira arien

>>53016105
I just want to win without the control player telling me to stop interacting with him.

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>>53016913

>Sit to the right of control player
>He always counters my shit because his turn is coming up can't waste that mana!
>Complains when I kill him

>>53004226
Comet Storm,Purphoros, Heartless Hidetsugu, Mob Rule, Grafted Exoskeleton on any burn creature, Goblin War Strike if you're playing goblins, Mogg Infestation.

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>>53012046
T A P P E D O U T
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>>53016989
then that is a shit control player a good one would have a mana sink of some sort to put mana into on your endstep such as a kruphix or the new blue god for card draw. My roomate is like this and I called him out on it and he changed so maybe you could do the same?

>Question
Does anyone have some spicy tech for maelstrom wanderer that doesnt go infinite mostly my deck right now is temur goodstuff and drawing cards for casting creatures.

I went card shopping with my friend, got myself both a Baral and Hazoret by chance, two of the commanders interesting me the most right now. While I have a plan with Hazoret already, there is one thing with Baral, I do not know how to make a mono blue deck that's hardcore control, and also punchy enough to actually win. With white and playing a little azorius, I just don't see how mono blue deals any damage. I suppose consecrated Sphinx in the air, 1 out of 99 cards.

>>53017342
Cheating in fatties and drawing people out are the blue wincons of choice.

>>53017368
>drawing people out
How huge can blue sun effects get? And how many variations of this card are there? If someone could tell me a few good ways to consistently get infinite mana, I could focus the deck on blue "fireball effects",nwhere with infinite I hit for well over your decks 92 card possible max. Baral would be like blowing his enemies minds to fucking pieces in one massive seizure, total lobotomy. Total compliance

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>>53017411
Really fucking huge

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>>53001164
>>53012988
>playing Breya
>no Narset in the 99

Narset is the best kept secret of Breya decks. After playing with it, I'm extremely surprised Narset isn't on Breya's EDH page. I run 15ish creatures and 35ish lands, so I almost always get value out of her. Plus, Breya helps by clearing blockers so Narset can push through.

>but Narset is broken!
So is Breya, might as well go full degenerate.

>>53017428
Woah. That would become huge, but I am novice to control in any form, I want to start small with Baral. I'm not ready to face a god.

>>53017411
Google infinite mana combos.

>>53017431
She's also six fucking mana, in a deck that doesn't utilize her attacking to win she's an overcosted value engine.

Started playing in a new group, they are bitchy as hell.

Made a samut deck, what are the most degenerate things I can get? Thinking Iona, worldspine wurm, craterhoof, avacyn, elesh norn, anything else for a degenerate fuck you deck?

>>53017601
Good luck casting that shit.

>>53017621
>Casting creatures
>When you have a gaeas herald, elvish piper, seedborn muse, and a paradox engine

>>53017763
So your average cmc is about 6?

>>53017431
Its tempting since she can get alot of my bombs into play, but since she could also get all of my creature bombs exiled.... i guess its a risk vs reward question that im not ready to try out.
plus i don't have one to put in.

>>53017411
>And how many variations of this card are there?
Stroke of genius is the onyl one that comes to mind, however U has access to Labman so you can safely draw yourself out and win.
Cards that make you draw a lot are:
Enter the Infinite
Pull from Tomorrow
Mind Spring
Braingeyser

Also Thought Reflection + Consecrated Sphinx + Rysthic Study makes you draw your whole deck in a couple turns if you're playing multiplayer.

>>53011772
>Demons my dude
Are there any tribal buffs for demons? Can not find any desu

>>53011731
It is hot garbage though you got three things going for you
1). Infect on your general and activating the ability all but guarantees a kill
2). Great colors for infect
3). You fly under the radar until you drop your first infect creature
Warstorm surge is hilarious in that deck too

>>53016033
i generally only complain about being attacked when the combo player has spent 2 turns tutoring already

>>53016033

Same boat as >>53019894 . Player A wiil have Brago and Rishadan Brigand / cutpurse / footpad out***, Player B has no creatures, and Player C will swing at B because he's open. I've asked people about it after games, and people in Player C position will say, "I don't want to trade!" as if a combo player is gonna trade off his combo piece for 4 damage, and if he does, losing a functionally vanilla dude to put a damper on a combo is an excellent trade.

***It isn't always Brago, but it is always a creature based combo.

>>53017245
Since when have Wanderers been combo decks? I have never seen one, and they always are "ramp to wanderer and get value cascades" and they run Jokulhaups and other under 8 mana mass wraths

>just pulled the trigger and bought a sword of fire and ice
>first time ive ever spent more than 10 dollars on a card

is this how it happens? is this how people start buying stupidly expensive cards?

>>53019894
I only complain about being attacked when there's clearly a bigger threat.

>>53020470
Yeah. I remember having a struggle inside to pay over 10 euros for a card I wanted, can't remember which, but could've been Gisela.
I have bought a Time Spiral, Damnation and Serra's Sanctum among others after that. There's also the factor that I was piss poor back then, now I have much more money, although I'm still pretty poor.

>>53020619
nah there are reason to not attack the big threat guy sometimes. like if him focusing on someone else gives you time to survive or something or if they made a deal. its pretty much only when there is someone who can straight up win the game right then and there if not stopped

>>53020666
Oh, I understand it if the logic is they made a deal or you don't want to provoke them, but you need to attack to buy time (maybe lifelink, or whatever)

What I mean is when one player is wide open creature-wise, but is very clearly going to start dominating the game quickly, and they devote resources to picking on the guy who missed 3 land drops and has basically nothing of relevance on board.

I guess it's more accurate to say I hate poor threat assessment.

>>53009238
hmm would you mind posting the list for the reyhan thrasios one?

So I just pulled a foil Hazoret last night. Any suggestions on what to do with her? I have a Rakdos Lord of Riots deck that could be good, but I want something spicier.

>>53020888
nothing

>>53020666
>if they made a deal
Shit meta confirmed

>>53020888
Sell her to standardbabbies, buy an actually good card instead

>>53020888
>Hazoret
going for like 13 bucks I personally do not see these gods being worth shit in the future but thats on you
all of the other non-god legends in the set are pretty sweet, even the minotaur.
I would trade it for a different foil legendary
The G/B one and W/U ones particularly look sweet
>>53020666
>666
>if they made a deal
nonononononononono

>>53021024
Thanks for the helpful advice! Hapatra is definitely sweet

>>53020666
As a giant boardstate fucker, I can confirm attacking me is a horrible idea. Quite often I save an instant just to Fuck over people who over extend, and unless you can kill/mortally wound me in one attack I'm going to cripple your board and whoever is left will win. The old saying is, that while I may not always be first, I'm never last, and painting a target on yourself is stupid when I usually sacrifice myself to save the table from degeneracy. Mutually assured destruction is a compelling deterrent.

>>53009238
>sad machine
Love the references senpai. Interesting commanders, I've been meaning to pick up a foil Hope to have around to inspire me to build it

>>53021130
>tee hee don't attack me silly boys, I'm the kingmaker ;-)

>>53021024
Personally I'm really bored by the W/U one. W/U are terrible colors to build a token deck (and the token he makes isn't your Commander, so that's another strike against him to lead a deck), and I don't think I've ever seen a WUx token deck where you'd want to slot him into the 99.

>>53021041
heck you could get Temmet and Hapatra in foil for less than what Hazoret is worth

>>53021041
Even sweeter since they un-fucked Wither and Infect to work with her.

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>>53009238

>>53021326
There are some terrific token generators in those colors, and it works perfectly for counter-post decks, which are my personal favorite.
-Germ tokens
-Angel tokens
-Phyrexian Processor
-imprint cards
-rite of rep and its lesser kin

and obviously you got the pump and other white weenie tech and the glue that holds it all together is blue just being blue.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rishkars-counter-army/

Looking for advice on the maybeboard

>>53021375
>Germ tokens
With exactly one exception, everything that makes a Germ token is a colorless card.

>Angel tokens
Almost exclusively white.

>Phyrexian Processor
Colorless.

>Imprint cards
Colorless.

There's very few -blue- token makers of any note (outside of "make a token copy" effects like Rite). A Temmet deck would be inherently weaker than, say, a W/G Token deck, because swapping blue in for basically any color (except maybe red) cuts off access to a ton of token makers or token support, and gives you very little in exchange.

>>53021414
are you implying you cant use colorless cards in this deck?
also
-Back from the Brink
-Cackling Counterpart
-Clone Legion
-Crush of Tentacles
-Fated Infatuation
-Followed Footsteps
-Grip of Phyresis
-Metallurgic Summonings
-Reef Worm
-Saheeli's Artistry
-Stitcher Geralf
-Stolen Identity
-Supplant Form
-Tempt with Reflections
-Vizier of Many Faces
its not like they do not have tech in blue

>>53021510
I'm not implying that, but you don't get to trot out a list of colorless fucking cards that could go in any deck as examples of good blue token-makers. Those cards could ALSO go in a W/G deck, and be served much better because you also have access to all of green's token-making and token-support.

Of your list, almost all of the effects are token copies, which require there to already be non-token things for you TO copy, with several of them restricting even further by requiring it to be -your- thing to copy.

You seem to be misunderstanding my claim: I am not saying no token makers or token support EXIST in blue. I'm saying that the amount that exists (and their quality) are so substantially lower than in other colors that making a W/U Token deck is intentionally handicapping yourself. It's like trying to make a mono-green control deck; it's theoretically POSSIBLE, but it's going to be severely weaker than if you'd gone with the colors that are a better fit.

>>53021577
yeah but the effect of making something unblockable is blue and the token synergy is white

putting that effect in naya would be completely out of the question on top of the face that both blue and white have a significant amount of ways of putting tokens on the field.
some of them are colorless but the effect itself is very U/W.

>>53021608
>But the effect itself is very U/W
...and? At what point did I argue it wasn't?

My argument was that Temmet's colors do not lend themselves well to a token strategy in Commander. Having him -as- your Commander is wonky because the token he makes won't do Commander damage, and it locks you into a really cruddy color set for a token strategy. As one of the 99, you'd need to be in WUx (probably WUG), which is not a common color combination for a token deck to start with.

I never said his effect is bad, I never said it's off-color, I never said it should be different colors. I just said it's hard to make him work in Commander without gimping yourself intentionally.

>>53021628
>My argument was that Temmet's colors do not lend themselves well to a token strategy in Commander.
thats already been refuted

>>53021628
its ok to just not like someone but dont pretend like being able to play a lot of colorless cards somehow equates to not being able to play the token strat effectively

>>53021326
Luminarch Ascension, Sigil of the Empty Throne, Intangible Virtue, Angelic Accord if you can throw out (mass) Lifelink, seventy million pillow fort enchantments, tutoring, Rite of Replication, and counterspells to avoid Fracturing Gust/Calming Verse/Aura Shards giving you a bad day.

>>53021653
No, it hasn't. Listing 15 shitty token makers (most of which are "Copy your guy" and depend entirely on having decent things to copy, which is more deck space to make the cards even work) does not 'refute' that W/U is a sub-par color combination for a token-focused deck. It'd largely be white's existing token support and creation, a handful of colorless things (both of which could go into a BETTER deck, like W/G, or Abzan, or Naya), and a few shitty blue cards you're forcing in to make a point.

I didn't say "It's not possible". I didn't say "no blue token support cards exist". Stop moving the fucking goalposts. I said that W/U does not lend itself WELL to a token strategy, especially compared to other colors that do the same thing, far better.

>>53021705
I never claimed that. But if your argument against "INSERT COLOR HERE doesn't have a lot of INSERT STRATEGY HERE" is "YUH HUH IT SURE DOES, LOOK AT ALL THESE EXPENSIVE COLORLESS CARDS THAT COULD GO IN ANY DECK", that's a weak argument.

Yes, you can play colorless token producers in a blue deck. That does not make blue a good color for a token deck.

>>53021761
>THAT COULD GO IN ANY DECK
why do you keep acting like this means ANYTHING!?
the fact of the matter is there are a plethora of card both in color and colorless that can get this deck working very well and its an effect that unique to the card.
>expensive
its not out of the question for a control deck in EDH

>>53021744
>White card
>White card
>White card
>White card
>White effect
>White enchantments
>White tutoring
>oh and lol counterspells
So your deck with 30 white sources, 50 white spells, and 10 blue spells is totally a "Blue white" token deck.

>>53021821
>That can get this deck working very well
No, they can get it working OKAY. And they'd work much better in a stronger color combination like Green/White.

By your logic, if I crammed 10 artifacts that make tokens into a mono-red deck with no other token makers or support, which was otherwise a hard Stax deck, that one deck is proof that mono-red is a "perfectly viable, strong token color"

>>53021932
>so autistic that his colorwheel must be 50/50 on tapped out or he scraps the deck
what the hell is your problem?

>>53021955
yes
that is actually the case, Deretti is actually just that.

>>53021960
If you're running a mono-white token deck with three fucking blue cards in it, then the blue is not integral to your token strategy.

If the blue is not integral to your token strategy, the deck would have been better as another color that CAN capitalize on it.

>>53021981
>a deck with 10 shitty colorless token makers in it and absolutely no other token-supporting cards is a "strong token deck"
So you're just arguing to argue, got it.

>>53021266
King maker implies I never win and choose who does, when in reality I'm going to win, and unless someone does something stupid, I'm going to win by murdering whoever is the biggest threat.

>>53021982
>If you're running a mono-white token deck with three fucking blue cards in it, then the blue is not integral to your token strategy.
theres these things called counterspells and draw cards
how bad are you at magic?

>>53022117
At that point you're playing a mono-white token deck that's splashing blue for card draw and counters.

Which is fine, but it does not, in any way, support the argument that W/U is a strong color combination for a token deck. You're using blue to shore up white's weakness in card drawing, sure, but it's NOT FUCKING SUPPORTING THE TOKEN THEME OF THE DECK. So arguing "Blue is a good token color, because it does these things wholly fucking unrelated to token making" is stupid.

>>53022137
>At that point you're playing a mono-white token deck
with counterspells, draw cards, blue token producers, bounce spells, blue creatures and an extra turn spell or two

??????

>>53022169
>With counterspells
Not related to or supporting tokens.

>draw cards
Not related to or supporting tokens.

>blue token producers
Putting three shitty "copy target creature you control" effects does not count.

>Bounce spells
Not related to or supporting tokens.

>Blue creatures
Not related to or supporting tokens.

>and an extra turn spell or two
Not related to or supporting tokens.

By your logic, if I took a Blue/Red deck, played it as hard mono-red aggro, but put a single Phantasmal Bear in it, blue is a "perfectly viable aggro color" based on that Phantasmal Bear in an aggro deck where all the aggro elements are a different color.

>>53022237
Bait

>>53022283
>I don't actually have an argument because I know I'm wrong, so I'll just call it bait

So I have a mono red Ashling deck that's just about making her invincible while blowing up over and over again, staples include Repercussion, Stuffy Doll, etc.

I'm looking at Vial Smasher the Fierce and think I'd actually enjoy taking my deck and turning it into a partners deck with him and one other, keeping the same general process but just make Vial invincible and drop big earthquakes and such that do double damage to a random opponent through Vial's ability.

I need some tips though, anyone have a deck with this guy? I've never made a partners deck and I'm just not sure where to go with that, Kydele is possible because green will help me ramp for big X burns and blue will help me get some extra turns for Vial's ability to trigger more often.

But other than that I'm pretty much drawing a blank of where to go.

>>53022308
arguments roll off you like water off of a ducks back
theres really no point in continuing

>>53022237
>>Blue creatures
>Not related to or supporting tokens.
>what is mimic vat, cackling counterpart, soul foundry etc

>>53022330
Your 'argument' consists of you screaming that a dozen incredibly shitty copy cards make W/U better than W/G for tokens.

>>53022356
>Neither blue nor a creature
>Not a creature
>Neither blue nor a creature

>>53022376
cackling counterpart and soul foundry require you to have your own creatures, blue has access to a lot of creatures that are good when made copies of, for instance, clone on soul foundry, making a second con sphinx, getting another etb from FoF sphinx. Theres a lot of value to be had by adding blue. The deck does not play out by casting its commander on t2 and running straight towards tokens, its a controlish deck (or what can be considered control in multiplayer edh) you cast your commander for extra value off of tokens that you produce. not every single deck needs to be 100% built around having your commander on the field, as a matter of fact very few decks do well building that way.

>>53022322
Pair him with literally any of the green partners. Use ramp to supercharge your Fireball, Banefire, Bonfire, etc. It's honestly mostly that simple. Depending on how slow/grindy you're willing to go, things like Charmcaster Devils could be useful for recurring your burn.

Kydele is a good choice because of the reasons you've mentioned, and her ability itself is helpful - remember that Blue has good X spells, too, like Brainstorm and Blue Sun's Zenith, and with Kydele that could feed into even more sick burns.

>>53016033
It's not EDH without complaining.

>>53022565
I was trying to think of ways to keep him alive through big X burn wipes and I realized that I could actually use stuff like Hurricane and Squall Line to do massive damage to everyone and usually some creatures while still keeping Vial alive. Definitely going to use all of those.

>>53022551
So, at this point you're pitching a mono-blue value deck that happens to have a FEW token cards.

As an example of why W/U is a great color combination for token-centric strategy.

Stop. Moving. The fucking. Goalposts.

>>53022636
>So, at this point you're pitching a mono-blue deck
>stop moving the goalposts
I am talking about cards in blue because you were just talking about how the deck would be mono white. Who is moving the goalposts in this situation?

>>53022608
Pretty much play X tribal. Exsanguinate, Empty the Pits (delve is amusing here), Villainous Wealth, stuff like that can be good. If you lean towards just going full-out X cost tribal, you can run Rosheen Meanderer in your 99 for some decent ramp, and removal like Killing Wave, Death Wind, etc.

>>53022681
Once again, my argument is that W/U is not a great color combo for a token deck because you gain very little support for your main strategy in blue, whereas you'd gain much more going into green, or even black (which has a lot of ways to sac your tokens for value), or Naya or Abzan. Blue adds very little to your main strategy, so your deck would LARGELY be white and colorless token creatures and supporters, with blue only there for support. That's okay, but at that point you're just using blue to shore up white's drawing deficit- it's not really contributing to the main point of the deck, and green or black could help with the card draw issue while also furthering the main focus of the deck.

Yes, it wouldn't be "mono white" if you jammed the guts of a blue control deck into it, but then it's also not a token deck, it's U/W control with a handful of token cards. Which does not refute the argument that W/U is not a great color combination for token decks.

>>53022729
>you gain very little support for your main strategy in blue
im sorry but you are just wrong.

Quick name every way to keep something alive through board wipes that isn't white, other than Darksteel Plate, Shield of Kaldra, or That Which was Taken.

>>53022762
Jamming a bunch of blue goodstuff into a token deck does not support the token strategy.

Jamming a bunch of blue goodstuff creatures and Cackling Counterpart doesn't support your token strategy.

Jamming a bunch of draw spells supports it, but that could be done in other colors that also offer actual token support.

>>53022729
if anything blue is a better token color for that deck than white is because blue makes much bigger tokens than white does. White gets what? a 4/4 with flying pretty good or maybe an x/x from that phyrexian wrath but blue gets you token copies of creatures you are already playing, big sea creatures and copies of stuff your opponents are playing, only they are also unblockable.

>>53022729
>white tokens with blue card draw to compensate for white's lack thereof and a white/blue commander that has token synergy isn't a token deck because I say so

We're dealing with high levels of autism here

>>53022798
Soul of New Phyrexia, Inspiring Call (kinda), Dark Dabbling, Golgari Charm, Wail of the Nim, Wrap in Vigor, Darksteel Forge + Mycosynth Lattice

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>>53022834
>if anything blue is a better token color than white

>>53022843
>Snapcaster Mage has synergy with a token deck because it's in the same deck as the token cards so that's synergy

Yes, blue compensates for white's lack of draw. It also contributes barely fucking anything for the ACTUAL STRATEGY OF THE DECK. Green or Black could compensate for the lack of draw, while also playing very well with the actual strategy of the deck.

By your logic, Shatter has 'synergy' with an otherwise mono-blue control deck because it 'compensates for blue's lack of artifact destruction'.

>>53022798
deadeye nav and blue flicker effects in general
reanimator effects?
i think theres a green card from kaladesh that gives everything indestructable and hexproof
theres soul of new phyrexia
time stop? and other counterspells

>>53022852
>ill attack you with my 1/1 soldier
>ill attack you with my 8/8 octopus
heh blue thinks its better >>53022869
>ACTUAL STRATEGY OF THE DECK