/40kg/ Warhammer 40k General

First for Hellhounds!
RIP Hellhounds~!

>>52916711
They're going to get a huge buff and you know it.

>>52916747
All Torrents are now more sad until proven otherwise.

>>52916747
From what I've heard Hellhounds don't really need a buff. Going to hold off on purchasing some until I see the new rules. Going to concentrate on getting my guardsman put together. Got more then enough of them as it to last until 8th comes out.

>>52916844
Given the 8" Teardrop was replaced by an 8" D6 Attacks, I bet the Hellhound will receive a 20" D6+3 or 2D6 attacks. The extra attacks representing the ability to get more models under a template that isn't connected to your unit.

>>52916747
>Doing a random number of hits is a buff

>>52916711
RIP Leman Russ tanks
Your front armor can't hold back Autocannons or Scatter Lasers anymore.

>>52916912
But /tg/ told me if more than 2 of my models got hit I should kill myself and that my positioning was shit

>>52916921
But your Leman Russ gets an armoursave now.

Anyone know if the beast arises is on the megas yet? I cant find it and theres no search function

>>52916955
It's called tactics son. Shoot them into cover, flush them back out.
But it's 8th now, so I guess tactics are out the window.

Besides, if you're getting less than 6 on a torrent, that means there's less than 6 in the unit you want dead.

>>52916994
>Putting every single model 2'' from eachother like a fucking autist is totally tactics guys

I do hope there is a penalty for having the majority of a unit's models in base-to-base

>>52916994
Nope, apparently people wanted randomhammer, instead of warhammer. Where everything is a random dice roll instead of actually relevant to the models on the board.

>>52917061
Like there was any tactics left with Taudar or Eltau, grav-spam etc cheese lists besides point what you want to shoot and watch it evaporate.

>>52917056
I hope it depends on the unit, like defensive squads can hunker up shoulder to shoulder for a bonus, while scout squads will have some benefit for spreading out and covering more ground

>>52917106
So instead of fixing those issues it was better to just outright remove all tactics and replace them with "shoot the big ones with the big guns and hope you don't roll a shit number of hits"?

>Flamers no longer even ignore cover.

Let's play 'See how many guardsmen I can fit behind two bullgryns!'

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What's the difference between a Nidleaf and a fucking Aussieork?

>>52917152
We don't know that...your assuming. We haven't seen the full info on Flamers and won't till 8th comes out. Your just as likely wrong as right.

We haven't seen how Dreadnaughts and MC's degrade as they take damage either. So don't think we have seen everything yet.

>>52917145
This seems to have been gw's solution
Fuck balance issues just remove the core rules that allow for balance issues to occur

>>52916974
I liked not needing to roll a save for <S8 (<S7 if side), then using camo nets and obscuring for a cover save. To hit modifiers and armor saves are alright, but by looking at the Dreadnought I don't have much hope for LRBTs to be given much more in terms of durability.

>>52917145
>Being the one that charges first is even more of an advantage
>All tactics have totally been removed.

>>52917191
One is fucking, the other isn't ?

>>52917249
Then I envy the lack of grav, haywire, and D-weapon spam in your meta.

>>52917260
Ok, most tactics, you fucker, it's an exaggeration, but even still this edition is set to have the least importance on positioning yet.

>>52917260
>moving forward is a tactic
>can position entire army in a huge bubblewrap so assaultfags are stuck with their asses hanging out every time
>anti-armor weapon damage is purely random, cannot reliably damage things

>>52917325
>templates removed
>armor facings removed
>small arms damage vs vehicles buffed
>cover no longer helps against high ap
Least importance is an understatement. Position is fucking pointless now.

>>52917223
You're*
Fuck that hurt to even read.

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Is this the face of the Ultra Ultramarines?
At first I thought it was just a mark 4 helmet, but his "ears" are different.

>>52916921
IB4
> Leman Russ= 10 wounds 4 plus
> Land Raider = 14 wounds 4 plus
> Riptide = 16 wounds 3 plus
> Stormsurge= 20 wounds 2 plus
> Wraith Knight= 25 wounds 3 plus
Friendly reminder charging Tau with strike before anyone else, including Space Marines, Eldar, and fucking Daemons! Welcome to 8th edition

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Army pics? Show them if you got them anons.

>>52917317
There's the problem. All the 'community feedback' they've gotten are from tournament autists who love spamming D and screeching over blast templates.

What about the rest of us who actualy had fun with our games?

>>52917379
Don't worry, the rules will make the game go so fast you won't even notice.

>>52917444
Oh man enjoy your T7 tanks.

>>52917061
>believing Warhammer has had any real tactics pretty much ever, especially with 5th, 6th and 7th

lol

>>52917454
They seem to have half listened to WAACfags and the AoSfags that screeched about how 40k was too complicated to play.

Though really, before 8th I'd never heard more than a handful of people complaining about templates.

>>52917505
It did if you didn't play against WAACfags that spammed board wiping shit.

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SQUATS CONFIRMED

>>52917505
>Believing that fish of fury constituted better tactics

Either way, sounds like a downward slope over time, except ending in this shitfest.

>>52917511
Well being a bitch about blast scatter and template placement has been part of the game for so long it is basically tradition.

>>52917317
Haywire and Lance is plentiful but no one plays with Grav and D is for Apoc. Ynnari/DE player prefers to no scatter deepstrike Fire Dragons and the Eldar/Admech doesn't plan on Grav faggotry.

Its a small friendly group I play with until my army is finished and presentable. Then I'll go find a store to be constantly tabled as I play with my Armored Regiment.

>>52917439
> Land Raider = 14 wounds 4 plus
More like 2+ or 3+ because the Dreadnought has a 3+ Save. I expect shit like Hellhounds to be T6 W7 4+ and LRBTs T7 W8 4+

>>52917422
Maybe it's just stylized?

>>52917422
We know that the new marine sculpts have neck guards, so perhaps their helmets are based off of Maxima.

Why have Strength and Damage has separate stats, and not just change the S/T table to affect how many wounds are dealt? What exactly does a S10 D1 weapon versus an S3 D 1d6 weapon mean?

>>52917581
GO BACK TO FUCKING AOS

>>52917464
Oh boy... I sure love fast games. Hanging out with friends for a few hours and playing an in-depth wargame sounds like a real bore...;_;

>>52917061
Implying a game based on dice rolls wasn't random to begin with...

>>52917379

>Positioning is pointless now
>Even though you explicitly suffer BS modifiers due to a variety of things like range, LoS etc
>Even though cover is more important then ever due to it stacking with armor saves
>Even though getting the charge off is more important then ever due to the removal of initiative and variable movement stats between units

Spotted the autist. Just admit change of any kind triggers you, faggot.

Where are the current (or most-current, at least) rules for the Stormlord?

>>52917581
Retard, you still have to roll To Wound. So good luck damaging high T models with that S3 weapon.

>>52917581
>What exactly does a S10 D1 weapon versus an S3 D 1d6 weapon mean?

S10 D1 would be something that wounds easily but doesn't do much damage.
S3 D1d6 would be something that had a hard time doing initial damage but once it did could cause a lot.

>>52917538
Squats are NOT confirmed, stop spreading fake news holy shit you ruined my day
Why what the fuck why did you
Stop it I can't stand
I'm sick of this

>>52917379
Maybe they will implement a mechanic where shooting at a certain facing makes the armor save worse, or gives a modifier to wound.
Which would be cool, and make sense, it's just monsters need a mechanic to stop them from being too much better. Maybe their damage table will be a lot harsher

>>52917620
>Can stack everyone in a single piece of cover and win.

Sounds great.

>>52917610
It was reasonably predictable though, now it's even more random.

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>Reading the SoB Codex
>The history section features Sisters getting slaughtered as much as winning
>Thinly veiled reference to Khornate Knights

Feels bad.

>>52917581
>Why have Strength and Damage has separate stats
Because you don't know how to read.

>>52917620
We haven't even seen any of the BS modifiers yet beyond the fact that they exist. For all we know you only drop in chance to hit when units are outside your range, which would mean positioning matters even less since you can technically hit from further away.

>>52917683
must be nice having a codex that paints your army the best of the best, unbeatable and awesome.

>>52917620
Where is the source that says you get modifiers based on range and LoS?
Cover stacking doesn't matter with high rend. If you were in cover versus an Ap3 weapon at Sv4 you could still take a cover save. Now if you are in cover versus say a -3 Rend, it doesn't matter because your total save has been reduced to an unrollable value and you have no alternative ßave.
Removal of iniative and new charge mechanics just means that units meant to get stuck in will be just as reliant on getting stuck in as they were before. No change.

>>52917754
It depends on how much cover adds to the save. If it's say +2 then the -3 rend is mostly negated.

I feel like there is a large amount of AoS players and others who were too afraid that their stupid ideas would get called out in previous editions, but are now posting with arrogant confidence in the idea that the new edition will prove their idiocy right.

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>>52917738
>Ork codex
>all stories about them beating up space marines, out smarting eldar, fucking with tyranids, mounting the heads of chaos lords on their own trophy racks and back stabbing the tau over and over again.
It sort of makes up for how much they suck on the table top.

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>>52917648

>>52917791
I highly doubt any cover will add +2 unbolstered

>>52917819
Why do they like checker patterns so much?

>>52917835
Even +1 is going to be relevant. Marines getting a 5+ save against a lascannon is better than them not getting a save at all.

>>52917835
So ALL cover is gonna be +1. Seems legit.

>>52917661
It might work better if it's simple bonuses rather than penalties. Like giving a vehicle a re roll on armor saves when shot from the front, or making it so a Riptide only has 3+ armor default but 2+ on the front.

>>52917791
Cover saves being an armor mod feels very strange. I still get the sense it'll be hit modifiers instead

>>52917921
Your senses need tuning.

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>>52917444

Not featured are my OG plastic rhinos I recently acquired that I need to put some spikes on, and the troops have some paint on them. Slowly, but surely.

>>52917223
So what you're saying is that he's a Schroedinger's retard?

>>52917921
I think it makes sense. Hiding behind a tree probably won't help you if you get shot by a rail gun.

>>52917853
They're big fans of ska music

>>52917853
Like almost everything the Orks do it's best to just assume they're genetically programmed to.

>>52917921
Y'know they confirmed it, right?

>>52917921
I kinda like it. It always felt weird that a tree was equally capable of stopping a shot from a meltagun as from a laspistol.

But I do hope cover still can save all types of troops from being evaporated.

>>52917439
If a fucking Dreadnought gets a 3+ and 7 wounds then a Lemon Yiff gets better than a fucking 4+.

I can't imagine the amount of wounds a Ordinatus Minoris has, at 14 hull points that must translate to about 60 wounds.

>>52917853

Elaborate trolling scheme on the part of the older members of the GW Pro Painting team dating back to the old 'Eavy Metal days, mostly on new members, sometimes members of the public as well.

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>>52917444
Crap pic, amd the lamenters are still in-progress, but here ya go.

>>52917939
This is the dumbest shit imaginable

>>52917992
>This is the dumbest shit imaginable

Why?

>>52917987
FUCK

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>>52917853
chekaz iz roit flash boss

How horrible am I for wanting to field 30k Space Marine squads in 40k? Such as Breacher Siege Squads, Despoiler Squads, etc

>>52917869
How is this different than current in this situation? Before your armor was negated by ap2 and in cover you had a 5+. Now your armor is reduced and the cover gives you a boost making it a 5+.

>>52917454
What about you? If you had fun enjoying the shitfest that was 7th edition, then you will enjoy 8th Edition, as obviously your standards are just that low.

>>52918013
>Breachers
Literally the worst in 30k, even worse in 40k
>despoilers
Carcharodons or CSM

But why would you want to though?

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So what new models can we expect from the new edition? What new units would you like to see for your faction? Any returning named characters or stuff in the fluff that's never had a model?

Will the Ynnari be playable in the board game?

>>52918086
New space marines and new Death Guard are confirmed.
I'd think the Ynnari will probably get some unique models instead of just mooching off the other Eldar lines.
Apart from that it's all up for grabs.

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>>52918086
>What new units would you like to see for your faction?
PLASTIC
SISTERS

>>52918086
I want plastic berzerkers in the worst way, and hopefully some rules for CSM to take drop pods. Outside of that, maybe some more daemons or something.

>>52918191
Hotgluing is disgusting, anon.

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>>52917683
>play SoB vs Dangles Maelstrom
>Dangles gets card to kill my WL in a challenge on his turn
>fails to kill her because lol 4++ and EW
>go to one wound though
>roll for tac objectives
>roll Blood of Martyrs
>get 1VP if one of my characters die
>get d3 VP is character has Martyrdom
>oh shit
>Canoness dies in combat
>opponent gets 1VP for warlord
>I get 3 from objective
>mfw

We're an army of martyrs, man. Get used to it.

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>>52918086
Red Butchers for my CSM. I figure if TS got Rubric Terminators then it's not too far a stretch for World Eaters to get Bezerker terminators.

>>52918211
Listen, if I get plastic berzerkers I will absolutely hotglue the entire fucking squad and I will post it on /gif/.

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>>52918086
Fingers crossed

>>52918086
More Tau Tanks please

>>52917145

It's not like "shoot the vehicles and hope you rolled a 6 for damage instead of a 1" wasn't already tremendously RNG.

>>52918225

Can Night Lords get Atramentar since everyone uses our raptors?

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I haven't played 40k since 3rd Edition. Been fucking around with other games, primarily Warmachine.

Should I trust New Games Workshop™? Is this going to be a revival of the game? I do like the lore and playing thematic armies, but when I tried to get into things around 2011 or so, things seemed to be dying out.

>>52918049
I think the 30k models look awesome desu

>>52918318
They're completely dumping the old cancerous ruleset but if the new rules are any good is yet to be seen.

>>52918316
>your raptors
Nigga they're Chaos Assault Marines.

>>52918318
Hey that's a thought...
What if 40k added action economy? Such as you can move and then either Shoot, fight in close combat, charge, or use a psychic power but only one of them, two for a small number characters. That would defiantly increase the tactical level of the game.

>>52917061
Yeah why can't there be no dice like 7th?

>>52918292
And now you have an additional roll to make it even more random. People bitched about dreadnoughts getting one shot in 7th because of lucky rolls but now instead they're getting two shot because of lucky rolls.

>>52918318
We can't really make a judgement til we get all the rules but it seems like a step in the right direction from 7e. Honestly I'd wait for the edition to launch and check your LGS' scene if I were you.

>>52918384
It's not that there was no dice, but adding 20 more rolls a turn doesn't really seem to make anything better.

Have y'all seen this?
https://youtu.be/OzgzOqm1A40

>>52918427
I din't realize you had 20 Lascannons. Or 20 flamers I thought you preferred Grav spam.

>>52918273
fuck you only giant robot now in grorious blueberry empire

I just realized, Defilers are probably gonna be amazing

>multiple legs and huge, so probably gonna be faster than average walkers
>4 hullpoints already, gonna end up with at least 10
>ordnance might get reworked so the battle cannon doesn't make the other guns worthless
>likely will have a 3+ armor save along with the 5+ invuln

>>52918435
Whoops that was just the sound track.
here is the movie
https://youtu.be/jkj8KmxYpkQ

>>52918444
To bad I play skitarii and guard, I don't take any grav. And every anti-tank weapon and flamer like weapon is likely going to roll like that, neither of which is hard to take in large numbers.

>>52918461
This edition sounds better every day.

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>Post your face when Snazzguns keep their existing profile thanks to GW laziness and thus become god-tier in 8th Edition.

>>52918494
>inb4 it becomes assault d3

>>52918494
s:d6, ap:d6; d:d3, 1d3 shots, 4d6'' range

>>52917992
U rustled ya doof?

>>52918494
>flash gitz become amazing for the first time in ever

gitz are cursed to forever be joke units anon

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>>52917581
Christ, the people replying to you so far are retarded.

Yeah, basically weapons like that are unlikely to exist, or be a weird and mostly useless novelty like hotshot lasguns. They give all these different stats, but ultimately the only thing that actually makes sense is some weapons are more powerful than others and get better S, better AP and better D, so any sensible designer would just roll them into a single number and be done with it. But apparently 40k players like to over-complicate things so they have three different stats.

>>52918538

>Take 20 Flash Gitz as part of my Dakkastorm Detachment
>Opponent quits after first shooting phase takes 2 hours

Another glorious victory to da Orks!

>>52917630
What I was getting at was what each of these things represent. For the most part, high S weapons represent high-caliber shots, or things capable of really hurting. In 7e, D is the primary way of dealing multiple wounds, and is in place of a standard strength value. I'm aware that they server different mechanic functions, but what I was asking was what each one individually meant in context.

>>52917635
I suppose I could see that? Those are going to be some super weird weapons, though. Like the S3 D 1d6 being some sort of crit weapon, where you rarely manage to hurt things with it, but when you do it wrecks?

>>52918049
>Carcharodons or CSM
... Or regular assault squads?

>>52917853
That's Goff pattern.

>>52918470
Yes it's heresy of the greatest degree

>>52918562
There isn't any reason to roll ap in to the same stat as the other two. A weapon might be damaging but suck ass at penetrating armor.

>>52918470
Cancer

>>52918459
I'll be happy if Forgeworld at least fixes the Hammerhead variants they made so they can shoot both guns in a not terrible way

>>52918586
30k despoilers are troops

>>52918174
>available in plastic
here's hoping.
At least GW said in the FAQ that no miniatures are getting removed from the line on the site so at least we aint getting squatted

>>52918618
IA14 THIS YEAR BRUVA

>>52918373

Nigga, they're Night Raptors. They even have fear with lightning etched into their new sculpts.

>>52918494
Going by shadow war it seems likely that it will be a fixed -2 mod

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>>52918627
>take despoilers
>run them as assault marines
Unless he literally meant using the 30k rules

>>52918581
I guess low-S, high-D would be like a high-velocity weapon which might hit something critical but might also get deflected and do very little, while high-S, low-D would be more like a big explosive shell which is guaranteed to shake you up, but isn't going to wreck you outright. On the other hand, it seems almost as if it would make sense the other way around too; high-velocity makes a small hole reliably, explosive rarely penetrates but totally fucks you up if it does.

Realistically, most weapons which are good at one will probably be good at the other too and have decent AP to boot and you will need all three to take out tough targets so nobody will bother with anything that doesn't offer that (except orks, who probably won't get a choice).

>>52917493
Why would we be T7 if the Dreadnaught at AV12/12/10 was converted to T7?

methinks it'll be T8 or T9, with a lot of wounds. That'll represent the tough armor and durability of the Russ. BUT! As anyone whose studied tank design will tell you, it also has tones of flaws and it has that rear armor issue. I suspect this could be represented with a reletively low armor save: 4+.

So you take shittons of punishment, but you don't get to avoid said punishment because the enemy can see your shot traps, exposed tracks, viewports, side doors, rivets, and rear armor and is aiming accordingly.

>>52918494
If only you could roll ap before choosing targets.

>>52918654
My only concern would be them skipping the rules for them since I don't think they sell the gun bits anymore. I could probably convert some of them easily enough using Ghostkeel fusion or Riptide burst cannons, but I would want that extra variety for a mechanized Tau force

>>52918720
I think you have those mixed around. A high velocity she'll actually isn't going to cause much damage due to over penetration, but a high explosive shell would, despite not being able to benetrate armor very well.

>>52917581
The idea is S/T is the measure of how likely something is to cause damage vs how likely something is to resist damage.

D is how catastrophic the damage is. Interestingly enough, the whole brunt of the damage is born by a single model who took the shot. That means that you fire a Lascannon into infantry and roll 6 wounds, you wasted 5 of them. Making Lascannons into clear anti-tank/monsterous creature weapons. This edition is shaking out some interesting hidden gems. This though also means a S3 damage D 1d6 weapon will not exist as s3 is clearly an anti infantry weapon, and all basic infantry have 1 wound. You would be wasting wounds firing such a thing at infantry, and at S3 even if it can wound a tank on a 6 a special weapon that low in strength with anti-tank levels of damage is silly as it cannot reliably harm a tank.

Now as to why there is unlikely to be a S10 D1 weapon is such a weapon with such a high strength would be pointless for anti infantry. It would be better suited for anti tank, but to be worth while for anti tank it needs to do a bunch of wounds. So let's figure S10 D3 being a much more reasonable number.

>>52918752
>Rivets
>Enemy sniper picks off on rivet at a time until the plate falls off

Kek

>>52917940
Pretty much.

>>52918752
Maybe vehicle T is calculated through FA divided by 2 rounding up and adding 1
So AV 14 becomes T8

>>52917958
When? Last video I watched from Miniwargaming said they confirmed cover as to hit penalty so it's useful for everyone.

>>52918753
At least that isn't going to be nearly as much of an issue in the new edition. Any AP at all helps against armoured targets.

>tfw Neutron lasers will be nerfed to only be able to kill three models

It wouldn't be so bad if the kit had enough bits to make the mounts for the other weapons.

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>>52918752
I still won't be happy until armor facings are announced in some way shape or form

>>52918086
>What models do you want to see for your faction?Plastic Noise marines!
Return of the Noise Dread and Pred!
>What name character?
Freaking Fulgrim!

>>52918813
Or possibly Front+Side+Rear divided by five and rounded up, or any number of other formulas. More likely, they decided to keep it able to take roughly the same number of hits from a suitable weapon (I'm guessing autocannon for light vehicles, krak missile for medium stuff like the dread and lascannon for heavier things) or simply made up numbers that 'seemed right'.

>>52918830
You will never be happy.

>>52918887
Never know. We may get special rules that make vehicles more durable on the front in some manner

>>52918887
Not everybody likes the rules being more of an abstraction than they already are.

>>52918270
I cross mine as well. We need more Wazdakka in our lives

>>52918477
No it's likely that some anti-tank weapons will be set numbers like damage 3.

We have only seen 3 weapon profiles that isn't enough to draw a ton of conclusions other than Lascannons have variable damage, but likely one of the highest spreads for damage. I would wait to see a profile for a plasma gun and meltagun.

>>52918086
Vect!

>>52918905
Damage numbers are only for single targets.
>Damage is a big change. This stats effectively lets a single hit deliver multiple wounds to one model.

>>52918830

We fucking scrumhammer now.

>>52918937
Exactly meaning a Damage 3 weapon would become an anti-tank weapon. Or anti Terminator.

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>>52918270
Da triumvirate ov Mork

Wazdakka
Zogwort
Nazdreg

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>>52918830
They have thougness and wounds we Tyranids now!!!
>Tyranids will remain the same
Harharhar

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Do you guys think Trukk-boyz, or trukks in general, be viable in 8th edition?

>>52919016
Wait shit, I'm suck in another conversation.

>>52918813
>>52918875
Or it's literally just rear armor translated into Toughness, seeing as T7=AV10.

>>52918814
The GW employee who's allowed to post FAQs on his Twitter.

>>52919006
Trunks will probably be more durable, since they'll be less likely to blow up from literally anything. Might end up with toughness 5 or 6 and 4+ armor.

Boyz in a trukk might be better off as well overall, since Orks will probably have a lower movement speed, so having a platform like that to more easily get a charge off will be nice.

>>52919006
Depends on how vehicle explodes results are treated and if boyz are less likely to be pinned now

>>52919058
So why has he still not tweeted about vehicle facings?

>>52918905
More than likely melta will be d3 at full range and d6 at half range.

>>52917648
Filter the word squats
It's the only way

>>52916691

Inb4 actual Str14 Superlascannons though.
Gotta kill those murderalizers and bloodsecrators somehow.

>>52918992
>Hordes of cheap faster than eldar moving infantry that can wound anything in packs of 30 and attack first as they will charge you

You better be ready for the zerg rush I'm going to do. 8th is bug edition

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F E M A L E
SPACE WOOFS

H E R E S Y

>>52918992
Why is Wendy's a meme now?

>>52919077
Because they don't exist?

>>52919081
I would expect d6 and either 2d6 or d6+3 personally

Meltaguns are supposed to be better than Lascannons and flagging heavy armor, and they have to get a lot closer to do so

>>52919006
Totally depends on the stats of trukks, boys and everything else, which we have very little idea of.

At a guess, trukks are going to be something like T 5, Sv 5+ and W 7 and things like scatter lasers and autocannon aren't going to be more than D 1 and AP -1 so their survivability will increase a little, which is good. I also suspect orks will be Move 5 and mega-armour (possibly even eavy armour) will make you slower, so transport will be essential.

>>52918086
Dark Angel player

Give me Azrael and Ezkiel plastics, maybe a Lion model at the extreme end.

Maybe some unique style assault squad since that one book with the assualt troops having angel wings over their jet packs like those blood angel ones.

>>52918086
Penal Legion,Chenkov, all other old Guard characters would be nice. And I wish they'd make the Russ the best tank in the game.

>>52919089
>faster than eldar
>will be M6"
>will die to everything since shit saves and no more cover
I hope you like Leman russes with batle canons

>>52919133
>T5
T7 at least, because T7=AV10.

>>52919157
>not asking for plastic Asmodai
SHAME

>>52919158
So much this. I miss Chenkov.

>>52918086

Plastic kriegers

>>52919103
Because people gets bored
>>52919101
What are shield maides?

>>52918086
just a box of assorted ork and other bits with rules allowing you to created various ork vehicles.

>>52919122
He should at least confirm it so that people can kick down his door and skin his face.

>>52919168
Dreadnoughts are T7 and they were AV12.

>>52919168
I think T7 would be closer to AV11/12 if the leaked dreadnought stats are to be believed

>>52919168
AV10 is T6.

Str 6 Weapon = 4+s to glance.

>>52919164
>Eldar will run faster than Guardsmen, and Hormagaunts run faster than both.

Templates are gone senpai I don't give a shit about losing d6 models when they respawn
Also cover saves now modify the save son, my so I won't be losing d6

TYRANIDS STRONK

>>52919071
This is good, since I am halfway through building a trukkboy army

Hey /tg/ GGA here being a 6th Edition scrub I never got to play any of the older additions and was thinking of trying them out now and just seeing how they are. What Editions should I try? And what Edition is best for Tyranids? I want to give my Nid friend some love too.

>>52919199
They were rear armor 10 though.

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>>52918992
dumb wendyposter

>>52919199
The dread statline is a little worrying if specialist weapons are as cheap as they were in 7th

>>52919270
In what sense? They'll probably die the same to melta guns as they did before.

>>52919172
I got in at 6th so I wish I had a chance to test him out. Honestly I hope GW doesn't just make the Guard an NPC faction like the Freeguild in AoS. The largest military created should get more lore and time in the spotlight.

>>52919157
Oh, and don't forget an updated veteran pack, with the wargear they can take actually included

>>52919016
It's pretty easy to magnatize the neutron lazer icarus array and eradication beemer.

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I wanna get into 8ED after taking years off.

Big Bug Tyranids or Space Wolves?

>>52919243
4e Tyranids were strong, prepare to cry if he brings 4e genestealers and broodlord.

>>52919164
If they take our templates I'm going to mass up on shots. Punishers and Exterminators with Heavy Bolter sponsons everywhere.

>>52919243
4Th edition bugs is literally the greatest army to every play, so many options, units and all balanced well

But also the current GSC coded is good if he likes his bugs on the manly side

>>52919322
Neither because 8th hasn't released yet

>>52919322

Neither, play Tau

:+)

>>52918086
Crusader/Sword Brethren plastic kit, the current upgrade kits are too outdated.

>>52919158
>all other old Guard characters

You know most of their bonuses could be brought via Command Points, this new system does open up a lot of cool stuff like Guard Regiment rules, Vows for the Emperor's Champion, Hive Fleet specialization, etc.

>>52919299
From what I've seen of the rules, Guard will likely be pretty strong in 8th. Slow advancing tidal waves of men and guns that never tire. Which is how they should be, but they aren't so much now with how easy it is to cripple vehicles and shut down our pie plates with a simple snapfire damage result.

Chenkov was fun. I assume you're familiar with his rules. With him Conscripts were the ultimate back line defense against damn near anything. 5th was really when Guard shined, but I think 8th is going to make a come back for them.

>>52919289
T7 is about the equivalent of AV11. So if they are using side armor for creating vehicle toughness values, chimeras would be T6 since their side armor is AV10. Really just expecting to see some vehicles hosed that already didn't see much play. LR will probably be T10

>>52919320
It's a bit late to magnetize things already built. Didn't bother since nothing else was worth taking and nobody in my local meta uses fliers so there wasn't any reason to take an icarus array.

>>52919392
They get armor saves to compensate though.

>>52919392
>tfw DE will probably get T6 paper planes with no more than 5 wounds

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>>52919322
Big Bug Tyranids

>>52919384
>not ÷)

One job

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>>52919168
>T7 at least, because T7=AV10.
Seems unlikely, since the dread is T7 and there's no fucking way the trukk is going to be that tough.

Old dread could take about six S 8 AP 3 krak missile hits before falling over. New one seems likely to take nine S 8, AP -2 D D3 ones. Old dread could take maybe five lascannon hits, new one can take about four. Old dread could handle maybe nine autocannon hits, new one (assuming S 7 AP -1 D 1) can take 32. So vehicle durability against big guns is generally similar while smaller stuff takes longer to kill them than before (but there's no lower bound now).

I expect a trukk will have to be possible to kill with one lascannon shot, so no more than 6 wounds (increasingly stupid stat name with all vehicles now using it too) and take a similar amount of autocannon shots to kill (currently about four to five hits, so they need to be getting wounded on a 2+ and having virtually no save). That points to something like T 5, W 5, Sv 5+... and it's still an improvement.

I'm also hopeful that they will have some ability to fight in close combat. If we're really lucky, ork vehicles will have ork attack stats representing the crew fighting from the vehicle. Being able to lock the trukk in close combat and not have it getting shot up while the boyz are busy seems like it will help a bit too.

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How do the GW Tartaros Terminators fair compared to FW Tartaros Terminators? Are they different poses, etc. I want to make a Terminator similar to this guy

>>52919243
5th edition was good though half the codices were never updated until 6th ed so you might want to try 4th ed instead so you can have an even playing between the armies.

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Stat me Mon-keigh

>>52918174
Customizable Living Saints

>>52918270
Yes PLEASE. I don't even play Orks and Gutsmek is the coolest shit.

>>52919470

FUCK

Sorry Senpai
÷(

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>>52919236
BTFO

>>52919489
10s across the fucking board
Goddamn eldar

>>52919243
4e was basically 3e with all the errata and FAQs slotted in.

2e is an entirely different game, but quite fun nonetheless.

RT is similarly completely different, but it's always pretty great running people through the battle at the farm scenario.

>>52919484
I built a box of them, and one of my guys is in a very similar pose with the outstretched hand and upward facing gun.

>>52919541
GW or FW?

>>52919530
where is this from?

>>52919550
AoS...

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>>52919482
> Being able to lock the trukk in close combat and not have it getting shot up while the boyz are busy seems like it will help a bit too.

Yes please

>>52919392
Using the 7e Toughness charts T7 is equal to AV10, with S4 hurting on a 6+ and S3 being unable to harm it.

>>52919577
>Using the 7e Toughness charts
Thats your problem

>>52919549
GW. Should have clarified. Had similar leg/torso options too.

Can't speak for Forgeworld at all

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>>52919596
Thanks lad

>>52919484
That is the plastic Tartaros sergeant...

>>52919190
They confirmed it on the live stream the other day bud.

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So, marine flyers are generally about as tough as dreads, right? How many fucking supa-shoota hits would it take to kill a dread? I'm guessing they get AP -1 at best, so 5+ to wound, half the wounds saved and at least double the current HP in wounds to get through. So ork fliers, which already struggled to shoot down any other race's planes are now probably less than half as effective.

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>>52917444
Haven't taken a real head count in ages but here's 2k from last weekend.

>>52917444
You are all literally worse than tripfags and a cancer on this entire board.

>>52918382
kys

>>52918086
If we don't get fucking Szarek the Silent King I'm killing myself.

AP 0 Bolters are unacceptable.

>>52919623
Flyers will probably have less defenses than a ground vehicle to represent being more vulnerable to immobilize. Probably less wounds, same with open topped vehicles.

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>>52918086
Why we don't already have them I'll never know.

>>52918771
Harlequins kiss. Low strength, high D. If terminators are getting 2 wounds, then I think multi wound heavy infantry will be more common. Also as character killers. Most non monstrous characters have pretty mild toughness. I'd rather take down that commissar with one wounding hit that does a lot of damage than let him punch me with his power fist for example.

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>no Templates in 8th

AGE OF TYRANIDS

SKREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>52919740
>Flyers will probably have less defenses than a ground vehicle to represent being more vulnerable to immobilize. Probably less wounds...

Well, that seems OK...

>...same with open topped vehicles.

>>52919772
>NPCs

>>52919772
>no bright orange claws

W A S T E D
A
S
T
E
D

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Can someone please explain what the fuck is happening to the AP stats for weapons, -3 for lascannons and nothing else for bolters, and lasguns? The fuq is dis shite?

>>52919322

Second for big bugs

>>52919805
Do you not understand how modifiers work?

>>52919390
Yep. Competently played infantry centric guard were very very nasty to deal with. So many bodies, so many guns.

>>52919805
Essentially, it's changed so armor matters more. Rather than strict cutoffs, you'll get things that might have -1 AP, ignoring lighter armor while still having an effect on heaviest stuff.

Bolters not having any sort of AP is likely so they don't punch through power armor too easily. It'll still have about the same effect on guardsmen, just now they'll have a slight chance to live

>>52919853
Hopefully we see a discount on some of the heavier armored models, as they've lost a fair bit of effectiveness.

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>>52919772
Even have a Malanthrope and classic armorcast Haruspex.... impressive

>>52919805
Essentially, everything is getting a survivability boost. Vehicles have a shit-ton of wounds, marines get 2+ saves against bolters in cover, etc.

This is probably to make the first couple of turns of shooting less decisive; now getting first turn will be less important and games should last long enough for melee armies to close the distance. The emphasis on speeding up play is probably part of this too; each turn takes less time, so you can have more turns.

>>52919772
It really lack a focus color.
Orange or Pink or something.
Sad.

>>52919952
Seems more likely to be a BS penalty for cover the way flamers work.

>>52919891
They'll probably just have more wounds.

>>52919984
cover has been confirmed to be an armour save mod by one of the devs on twitter.

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>>52919648
I really like your tank scheme. I mad a Chimera with a similar scheme recently, but I think your grey/orange looks better.

Grey/Orange with green spot colour is the best scheme.

>>52920031
So flamers don't affect cover at all? Seems odd.

>>52919830
You got to test 8th? Or did you mean in the past you've played infantry centric Guard?

>>52919772
Holy shit I am so jelly of that scheme and army.

>>52919891
Terminators have 2 wounds now, so that's made them harder to kill.

Marines are probably only going to be getting 4+ saves against autocannons and the like, but will likely have 5+ against things that used to be AP 3, so that's a swings and roundabouts kind of situation.

Cover helps heavy armour guys more now, as it adds to your save. Terminators in cover will be able to handle pretty much anything short of anti-tank weapons and marines will be getting their 3+ saves back most of the time by ducking behind some scenery.

>>52919891
they've actually somewhat gained effectiveness.
power armour still gets a save against lascannons now.

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>>52920034
How do you mean by green spot? Searchlight?

Also thanks. After literal weeks of people shitting on my Ogryns thanks to that one guy spamming them it feels nice to get positive reinforcement.
Have a bassy

>>52919556
na, if it was AoS it would have a rule where you jump up and down to deal more damage or something

>>52920062
I suppose, but a 6+ isn't much to write home about and they trade that for being more vulnerable to autocannons and heavy bolters. Cover is nice, but it means you have to camp it or you'll be cut to pieces, so anything mobile will need a transport.

>>52920040
we don't know full rules yet.
but yeah maybe not anymore.

the devs may want to further emphasize close combat as they way to clear entrenched infantrt.

>>52920080
They need some highlights or something desu, the red looks very flat.

>>52920062
Termies are oddly the same against lascannons though, 5+ armor or their 3+ or 5+ invul

>>52920106
>Cover is nice, but it means you have to camp it or you'll be cut to pieces, so anything mobile will need a transport
that does feel appropriate for a wargame.

>>52920147
One of the advantages of heavier armor was that you weren't completely slaved to it, and could advance against light arms. Two units of space marines in cover will now do basically nothing to each other, and guardsmen will be twice or more as hard to kill against bolters.

>>52918086
>M A R B O
>A
>R
>B
>O

>>52919726
What is with Szarek? I feel like they were trying to do so much buildup for him but he is no where to be seen

>>52918385
That's a 100% improvement

>>52917061
I laugh at people who consider 40k to be tactical. If you want a serious competitive system, go play warmahordes or 9th age or Malifaux.

40k is a beer and pretzels game and it shouldn't be anything else.

>>52920040

Flamethrowers aren't actually that great against cover in general. They were pretty brutal against bunkers, because the fluid could easily splash into firing slits and once inside an enclosed space was very deadly, but equally it would splash over very light foliage (which bullets would just rip through) and just burn that instead of the guys behind. It doesn't really spray around corners, but it does start fires which can spread... so while overall I'd say they do better against most cover than most weapons, it doesn't break my suspension of disbelief that they don't have a special rule for it.

I think it would be just as viable to say explosive blasts should ignore cover. Most of the time shockwaves can go around corners and walls and trees are just as likely to collapse on you as save you from fragments.

>>52920210
>getting punched in the stomach is better than getting kicked in the balls.

>>52920230
>40k is a beer and pretzels game

Except that's why things like Shadow War exist.

>>52920184
>One of the advantages of heavier armor was that you weren't completely slaved to it, and could advance against light arms
and you still can, even bolters don't have a save mod this time around.

Whats the point of feudal worlds? How do they emerge? Are they former colonies that lost their technology?

>>52918562
IRL, most ammunition (especially small and medium arms) that is armor-penetrating typically does lower "damage" to its target. AP ammo typically has a smaller ball sheathed in a jacket that enables it to punch through armor, enabling the smaller bullet to pass through and damage the soft parts underneath.

If you're not wearing any body armor, it's actually WAY better to be shot by AP ammo than normal or hollowpoint ammo, because it will usually just pass right through you rather than shatter/tumble inside your body and tear more shit up.

So tl;dr weapons like HSLG's which are S3 AP3 are actually pretty realistic, and raw damage and penetrating power are not directly related.

>>52920255
They don't which means everything is more resistant to marines while they stay the same in the open.

>>52920257
>Are they former colonies that lost their technology?
yes
in the age of strife many planets where literally fucked into the stoneage.

>>52920257
Colonies that regressed to a feudal state. Some may still have some sort of technology but it would probably be limited to nobles and the like.

>>52920257
Fresh meat for the regiment or if you're lucky, an astartes recruiting world. Doesn't really matter how they became feudal, you can pretty much make up whatever you want in that regard, penal colony gone wrong, technology broke etc.

>>52919103
Because of liberals saying that Wendy is racist for being white.

>>52919103
The Wendy's twitter account drops some hot bantz and people are finally catching on.

Wraithknight will be t9 24 wounds mark my words

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>>52920381

>>52920381
It'll have 9 just like gullman.

>>52920432
I'd say it'll have like 12-13 because it was a GMC. Not sure if they'll keep those unit classifications yet.

Not played 40k in 2 editions, bar maybe 3 or 4 games the edition before the current one.

Skimming through, imperial guard players seem to be whining something fierce since muh tanks. Feelsgoodman. The amount of times my shitty orks were tabled from template spamming faggotry with the only hope being a trukk was destroyed that would send it forward only for the occupants to be gunned down by lines of ig infantry. Do any xeno players still play 40k? Orks and nods had it abysmal for years when I last checked.

Looks like the purging of screeching try hards is set to continue. As for thinking they changed the rules because aos players thought them complicated.... Nah they were just shit. Convuluted retardation isn't the same as complicated.

Shitey orks might see daylight again if these preview rules are anythin to go by.

>>52917602
>40k
>In depth

You haven't played a lot games it seems

>>52920475
>Do any xeno players still play 40k?
Tau and Eldar have pretty big playerbases due to cheese.

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>>52920257
>Whats the point of feudal worlds?
Basically, very little. Some of them supply decent troops or some basic resources, but generally speaking they are worlds which just aren't developed enough to be useful. The Imperium doesn't throw resources into making them better because it has other things to take care of, so they pretty much just do nothing important.

>How do they emerge? Are they former colonies that lost their technology?

In short, yes. Some of them were blasted back to a primitive level due to war, others had their economies collapse due to shifting trade routes, suffered natural disasters, got cut off by warp storms, had all their scientists and engineers executed for technological heresy or simply lost the knowledge necessary to keep their technology going. A few of them have been that way since before the great crusade, others have fallen more recently. Sometimes they go all the way back to stone-age primitives and rebuild slowly from there, others retain quite a bit of high technology but lack vital elements of civilised society, so they might have laser weapons and cybernetics, but no telecommunications or motorised transport.

In some publications, the term 'feudal world' refers more to the culture than the technology level, so knight worlds, which are fairly high-tech, are considered feudal due to their social structure.

So what are you painting for 8th, anons?

I finally settled on running Legion of the Damned so that I can use the same dudes to run multiple lists of Space Marines from the various flavors/tactics late in 7th. I'm still planning on running them for 8th, but some of the changes have made me glad I bought a bunch of flamers and combi-flamers for them.

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>tfw no longer able to explode vehicles with powerfists and think of gif related
Oh well.

>>52920465
True, needs to have a few more due to stat degradation.

>>52920243
>getting punched in the stomach is better than getting kicked in the balls.
No argument here.

>>52920285
Very informative, thank you!

>>52920475
>Do any xeno players still play 40k? Orks and nods had it abysmal for years when I last checked.

Nidfags are on suicide watch after GW confirmed that the Imperium vs Chaos is the true story of 40k and not the Imperium getting devoured by the Nids.

>>52920502
Still need to finish my Kastelans, 10 Skitarii, my Archmagos/Ironstrider and my Infiltrators for all my AdMech forces.

Also need to redo a lot of my Black Templars and also paint 5 Neophytes, 10 Initiates and a Rhino for them as well as redo one of my Pods that I picked up for cheap on eBay that is red with Blood Angels insignia.

>>52919772
its so nice but fall so flat.
there snt any focus point/Complementary color

>>52920083
thats literraly out of the aos app tho.
those "fun" rules dont exist anymore

>>52920506
Power firsts will probably do d6 wounds, so you can still punch tanks.

>>52918086
New world eaters and Emperor's children

>>52920506
powerfists are sure to be at least D3 damage. 3 or 4 attacks with one can still potentially one turn a dreadnought.

>>52920531
So how will it be written on how the Nids are stopped?
>Szarek returns and units the Necrons to fight them
Or my favorite
>Nids detect all the biomatter in Ork space causing the hives to converge and a never ending war of both sides infinite spawning soldiers occurs

>>52920287
i'd be willing to bet most of the standard guns for each army don't have a modifier. So it won't really matter much

>>52920644
nids aren't stopped.
they're just not the most immediate galaxy ending threat.

>>52920613
A blob of bodies should be able to take it out with sheer numbers.

>>52920644
>So how will it be written on how the Nids are stopped?

Guillimarines show up and fist fuck them to death.

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>>52917620
people laughed at me for positioning my knight sideways to fit thru terrain better. Said I have a tiny front arc and huge side arcs to be exploited. Who is laughing now?

Also mecha squiggy is ready for action finally.

>>52920644
Reminder that in the end its gonna be all orks and nids. Just like the goddamn cockroaches

>>52920644
Doesnt matter if Nids are destroyed in the galaxy, there's 12 other galaxy worth of Tyranids waiting in line. I'd love to see the Silent King return to Octarius and destroy the Tyranids and Orks in there only for them to spread to the nearby systems.

>>52920243
40k is not a competitive game. All the competitive players have done to it is ruin it and suck all enjoyment out of it with their deathstars and summon lists

>>52920704
Some how Ultras team kill SoB to make it more dramatic. Then girlyman and his numarines fall into 7 deadly Nid traps. Get captured by Tau and they are rescued by Vulkan from fucking nowhere.

Tau explode, then Girlyman and Vulkan Eiffel Tower Celestine mid explosion.

>>52920738
Doubt he'll kill the Overfiend now that he's in Ghazghkull's gang.

>>52920748
That's entirely GW's fault for being shit at writing rules. I don't see any reason why people won't find a way to break the game in this edition considering the rules GW has been releasing prior to 8th ed have either been mediocre or broken as shit.

>>52920674
Most of them already didn't have a modifier that mattered against heavy armor.

>>52920748
>40k is not a competitive game.
How is it not? You don't have to be a WAAC throatslitter but it's written as a competitive game. The goal is to try to win.

>>52920797
B-But it's New Games Workshop!

What I want to know is if we are going to be removing wrecked vehicles from the table or leaving them if they cant explode.

>>52920769
>Eiffel Tower Shadowsun

Ftfy

Hoo boy, can't wait for my flying hive tyrants! Being able to bring down most vehicles with my devourers sure will be fun! D6 haywire hits from e-grubs? Probably 2+ to wound with no armor save on models with the vehicle keyword! Can't wait!

>>52920502

Deciding if I should go with my Night Lords or finish my Wych Cult because they might actually be usable finally.

>>52920748

No, net-listing faggots combined with GW's inability to have even a modicum of balance ruined it.

>>52920867

Good question. To be honest vehicles rarely explode so I'd be happy to have they stay.

>>52920502
Procrastinating on loyalist marines and Sisters. The marines because I'm not sure what'll happen with chapter tactics. The SoB because conversions are time consuming

>>52920888
What's wrong with netlisting?

>>52917538
Whats up with Grombrindal? He looks like new marine but with holiday theme that is year away.

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>tfw Orks don't have to suffer under the tyranny of I2 any longer

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>>52918800
Actually, the weakness is the tension your average rivet undergoes. You see, Rivets work by heating up a bar of metal with a cap on one end until it expands. Then you punch it through a hole in the two pieces of steel you want riveted together, and smash the opposite end flat. As the metal cools, not only does the rod hold the steel in place, but it shrinks as most solids tend to do when they cool. As the rivet contracts, it pulls the steel together creating an airtight fit. This is why rivet-construction ships like the Titanic weren't constantly leaking.

Problem: If the Rivet is pushing the two steel plates together with enough force to make them airtight, then that means the plates are pushing BACK on the rivet with an equal force. So that rivet is under A LOT of pressure. The rapid heating and cooling also makes the steel the rivet was made of really, REALLY brittle. Like glass: Strong but inflexible.

So if you were to, say, deform one of the riveted steel plates with a giant hammer...or a cannon...the force bending plate out of shape would transfer to the already strained rivets. The rivets in turn snap in two. One side goes flying away from the tank, and the other goes flying INTO the tank, where it ricochets around like a grenade fragment and wounds the poor men inside. This is why every tank after the M3 Lee was cast-steel or welded steel Construction. Pic related is a mask WW1 tankers wore to keep popping rivets from striking their face.

So in short: Rivets are a weakness.

>>52920748
3rd edition was fairly competitive despite the obvious flaws in the rules. 4th edition too.

going to TLoS and adding in pre-measuring was a mistaaaake

>>52920905
Using my battlewagons and trucks for those sweet cover save modifiers could be sweet. Also the rules for tank shocks need to be worded better.

>>52920881
Flyrants are dropped to BS 2 along with all other nids to reinforce "close combat themed army" e grubs are turned into 4 shots, haywire on 6s, not twin linked. Can't wait!

>>52921015
Tank shocks are probably going away.

>>52921015
I'm more confused on why someone would use it unless there was no clear way for the people to move out of the way.
Sure the moral check might make someone run away in fear if they fail it. Rather than running fuckers over, you gently drive by waving as the crowd clears way for you.
All it says is move out of the way and remain in unit cohesion, you can move those fuckers in any direction as far as you want.

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>>52917444
A group shot of the Green Bean Brigade!

On the Left, Diamond Squad & Diamond Track ready to make some fresh-fried Taukabobs!

On the Right, Spade Squad and Spade Track ready to Melt some tanks.

Center-Front, Center, and Between the tanks are Skull Squad, Omega Squad, and Delta Squad respectively. All regular cannon fodder reddy to rank fire incoming orks!

And Finally, two of my 3 tanks: Star-Cog and Claw-Cog here to provide heavy support! Skullcog would be here but he's in need of repairs.

>>52920950
White Dwarf's 40th anniversary, 1977-2017, and 8th edition.

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>>52921025
D-don't jinx it, f-faggot, it's all I've got left to keep me playing this game.

>>52919040
Uh, no. T7 is equivalent to AV11. An Autocannon damages both on 4s.

>>52921143
I play nids and I hope flyrants get fucking gutted.

fuck them, they look retarded

>>52920190
Only way the game would be worth it again.