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For the first legion!

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>>52924178
Nth for Bjorn becoming primarch tier in 8ed

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3rd for fatherly love.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0lpbhjIIq8t

3rd for buff tau

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>tfw Orks no longer have to suffer I2
OY TAU! COME 'ERE AND SAY HI TO MISTA CHOPPA!!

I thought melee was supposed to be getting better. If anything shooting looks like its getting a huge buff

>>52924252
Any predictions for Riptide stats?

>>52924255
implying youll get into combat with 4" movement

>>52924216

>If Vipers were better than bikes then you would see a lot of them

Anon, you realize you dont HAVE to spam a unit if it's good, right?

>>52924276
Well, it wasn't a vehicle to begin with, so I'd imagine its stats aren't changing too much. I cold see its armor save dropping to 3+, not sure how invulns work yet. I'd imagine its weapons are going to see greater changes.

>>52924276
12 12 12 12 12 12 1+
Points upped to 190 for balance

>>52924255
>riptides becomes 2d6 S9 ap-3 D1d3
Hope you like never getting there

>>52924297
So you won't even need grav to kill it in two turns?

>>52924276
Probably 8-9 wounds at most

>>52924265
In what sense? Low armor models benefit a lot from the changes.

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CHOOSE
YOUR
ALLIANCE

Are you a proud noble warrior? Choose Space Marines.
Are you the real hero of Warhammer 40k? Choose Imperial Forces.
Are you right and everyone is wrong? Choose Chaos.
Are you smarter than the rest? Choose Xenos Empires.
Are you a retarded shitposter who gets his joy by spreading dumb shit on the internet? Choose Xenos Hordes.

>>52924283
>implying they'll be bringing that nonsense back from 2e
Keep dreaming git!
>>52924320
>implying Orks aren't both Xenos Hordes and Empires

>>52924318
We have yet to see that. They might pass out -1ap like candy

>>52924316
Oh, wounds will likely be increased, as everybody's getting more wounds on big or tanky things. Maybe up to the 8-10 range?

>>52924320
Wouldn't Orks count as a xenos empire(s)?
They've got the systems for it.

My FLGS plays tables with over 50% terrain. Should I tell them to suck dicks?

>>52924318
GW wants to sell more model so they'll get the short end of the stick while mass infantry gets buffed, gotta sell those boxes anom

I'm getting so pumped for 8th and I'll be loving the opportunity to use orks more than once every other month like I used to since all they did was collect dust.
But all this excitement got me thinking.
What if all these changes for the Orks turn out to be too good?
What if they're so good no one will want to play against my green horde?
Will I be considered that guy no one wants to play with just because I brought this specific army?
Will they be muttering to each other how much of a faggot I am for playing orks, just like we have all done to tau and eldar players?
Will they believe me when I say "I've always played orks, even through their tough times and I didn't just start playing them because of how much they benefit from 8th more than any other race"?
I'm worry now /tg/

>>52924342
Bolters don't get it, so that's promising.

>>52924351
This

Orks are known to work alongside other races

>>52924342
We've already seen bolter profiles and those are ap 0, same with flamers. lascannons are also only -3.

if someone wants to play mass flamers: thousand sons.

sorcery and flamers en masse. every rubic can have one

>>52924354
You should suck their dicks, Tau player.

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/40kg/ I have a confession to make. I am starting a Tau and Sylvaneth army. Specifically a Tau Melee army to celebrate 8th edition.

>>52924359
Sounds like you should post on their Facebook page to nerf Orks
And nids too for that matter

>>52924276
I'm gonna guess it'll be mostly the same, but bumped up to 10 wounds or so, along with point changes

>>52924351
>>52924334
>implying Tyranids don't have an Empire as well

Fucking racists.

>>52924399
I can't say that's wise

>>52924383
>my first squad only has 2 flamers and a flame pistol
Well, hopefully 8th makes it so running more rubrics is better- even in lower point matches. That way, I can rely less upon these Tzaangor herds and have a bunch of sexy dust armor. I'm excited

>>52924310
>implying Geedubs hasn't heard the fans complaining about the Riptides and won't be nerfing them in response
Face it fishface. Every melee oriented army is about to be eating the Tau's lunch next edition.

Orks and nids are still fighting over who called dibs on your bento though.

>>52924342
Thus far, it looks like -1 AP is going to start showing up on Heavy Bolters and autocannons. Anything with flimsy armor isn't going to lose their save entirely until you start shooting Lascannons at them.

>>52924354
no, thats fucking awesome.

>>52924410
They pretty much live in mobile homes, I wouldn't call that an empire.

>>52924435
Don't say that in the trailer park.

>>52924435
DELET THIS

WE WUZ KINGS N SHIEEEEEEET KEKEKEKEKE

>>52924354
Totally. That isn't nearly enough terrain.

>>52924454
>the trailer park.
>Suddenly Larry the Cable Ork steps out of the mobile home with a big shoota!

GET OFFA MAH LAWN YOU GITS!

>>52924402
B-but I'll have to wait 3 years for them to do something about it for 9th edition!

Best part about cover giving everyone a bonus to saves? Marine players will have a good reason to want to play on Tables with a decent amount of terrain.

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>>52924423
>mfw Heavy Bolters can now be fired on the move

8th ed best ed.

So 40k is getting total aosification. Why are people so happy about this? I thought raping the rules to become a tenth of what it was is a bad thing?
They want casuals to be able to play and they're making it into a child's game, great stuff

>>52924399
Pls kill yourself already Raptors Anon, for defiling that Dreadnought. He looks more nurglite than anything.

>>52924508
We've really no clue just how light or heavy the overall simplification will be
We're just waiting

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>>52924342
Well, if AP4 gives AP or -1, 30k chainaxes are gonna be fun.

>>52924508
dumb nidleaf poster

>>52924508
>t. Retard who hasn't actually read any of the changes/doesn't know how simple AoS is compared to this

>>52924508
7/10

You baited a bit too hard and it gave the game away. Good effort though!

With the abandoning of the old system, the feral ork army I ran out of an old white dwarf will finally and officially be unusable

Sad, but not unexpected

>>52924508
>getting total aosification
>replacing initiative with simple movement and 'charging unit attacks first' is somehow a bad thing
I can understand not like the 'vehicles just have wounds now' anon, but overall the changes seem pretty good so far.

>>52924432
>can cause D6 auto-hits on target regardless of how many models are in range

>>52924508
Get off the web Jamal, your ghetto thoughts arent welcome.

>>52921540
I remember what you're talking about, the massive 40k lore bible in a 300+ page word document. Though, how useful it is now is questionable, given it was starting to get outdated/inaccurate in 2007 or so.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/7027523/Warhammer-40K-Fluff-Bible

>>52924508
>Into a children's game

It's ALWAYS been a chlidish game. Doesn't mean we can't love it, but damn 40k is silly.

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Assuming that 8ED doesn't drastically change armies, what detachment should I use/what troops should I use to fill my compulsory troop choices for Big Bugs-only Tyranids?

My thought, for list theme, was Tyranid Warriors.

>>52924296
WAACfags are actually physically compelled to spam anything that is better than the alternative. So no, he would have to spam Vipers if they were made better, because otherwise his body would begin to shut down.

>>52924579
Mucolid spores

Buy fw mioetic spores, theyre cheaper

>>52924545
It's less about that, and more about the loss of popping next to an enemy unit and dropping 5 flamer templates and just racking up hits.

>>52924571
>It's ALWAYS been a chlidish game.
Just picked up a copy of lost and the damned to go with my slaves to darkness.
generally that stuff disagrees with that idea.
not only because of the tities n shit but also the fucking tables everywhere

>>52924579
WE DONT KNOW!

There'll be FOURTEEN FORCE ORGANIZATION CHARTS! 14! FOURTEEN! There WILL be one that has Heavy Support as compulsory and if it does happen THEN CARNIFEXES AND TRYGONS OUT THE ASS!

>>52924599
Been branded a WAACfag on here simply because I play Eldar, but I will never field the ugly Vypers. Not when I can benefit from rending shuriken cannons, not in 8th

>>52924579
We have confirmed that 2x toughness weapons no longer IK.

Combined with a certain increase ij wounds for Warriors, I'd say they're probably gonna be a solid choice.

>>52924545
>>52924606
And causing D6 hits doesn't sound all that great in comparison. But I'm not doomsaying, just bummed my wall of flamers won't get more hits than the enemy unit has models.

>>52924614
>THEN CARNIFEXES AND TRYGONS OUT THE ASS!
And lo, the old "DISTRACTION CARNIFEX" strategy was once again relevant! Provided the 'fex gets a proper buff of course!

>>52924543
What exactly will you be missing? Squiggoths are FW and so should have new rules.

>>52924609
> inplying that gratuitous titties aren't childish

whew

I assume that childish means, like, 14 year old spergs.

>>52924645
pig docs, wild boyz, squig herds and 60 point giant squigs

>>52924662
>> inplying that gratuitous titties aren't childish
it's not gratiuitous
or titillating.
it was the first thing to come off the top of my head but the point is there was a weird WARPed nature to the illustrations. kinda like blanch and DAT were mixed together.
point is even if you ignore the strangess in the book the amount of tables and shit ain't for kids

Inb4 everything in Kastorel Novem doesnt get new rules

Goodbye blasta bommers and klaw stompas

5W paladins with 36" psycannons, who says no?

>>52924721
3W paladins

Why would they get +3W?

Imperium, Chaos or Xenos

which one should I pick

>>52924730
To make them useful. They're marginally tougher than termies now and useless.

>>52924571
>Bloodsecrators

>>52924747
And?

1W Termies go to 2W
I expect 2W to go to 3W, not 5W, that's retarded

>>52924399
>that dreadnought
Jesus christ how unholy

Will 8th ed make Salamanders great again?

>>52924704
Neither are video games where you can turn the opposing team into bloody chunks

And yet, who do the AAA publishers try to market towards again...?

Again, the children being referred to are less tween and more teen.

>>52924755
So paladins will still be useless in 8th. Gotcha

>>52924399
why did you paint your dread like that, you should have given him a stone like look if you wanted to make him look like an ancient hulk rising out of the ground

>>52924517
Yes we do, 12 pages

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>go to GW
>excited for 8th edition
>everyone is there and equally hype
>suddenly Brittany and Jamal walk in
>the banter dies instantaneously
>everyone nervously says "hi" to Jamal
>Jamal approaches you
>Jamal: "Hey anon, you down for one last 7th edition game against me and my gurl?"
>you defiantly accept
>he tables you turn 3
>you think to yourself "well, at least 8th edition is around the corner. Maybe orks won't suck so bad"
>""Maybe""

>>52924790
You're just retarded is all

3W 2+ save means that they will be near impossible to remove in 8th, and considering Paladins are WS5 compared to regular's WS4, they're certain to be better in melee as well, and can get apothecaries unlike regulars, iirc.

You're just dumb, anon.

>>52924752
Are those the guys who go "blood for the blood god, skulls for my summer wardrobe"?

>>52924820
You most know weapons deal multiple wounds now, right?

>>52924507
they can in 7e.
we can't assume weapon type rules aren't changing.


though at a guess firing a heavy weapon on the move is probably a -1 or -2 to hit modm

>>52924817
>girl plays nids
every fucking time

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I'm browsing through the megas but can't find the rules for the Renegade board game. Anybody got a pdf with them they could spare ?

>>52924816
so 3 times the size of AoS, meaning significantly less simplification.
Which was already obvious since they haven't AoSified the statlines.

>>52924643
But what if all the carnifexes are distractions?

>>52924625
Counting 2*T is too complicated for kids

Does there exist a space marine chapter that isn't full of genocidal bastards? I kinda want to paint simple models, but the lore of space marines is disgusting.

>>52924841

My gf plays celestial lions.

>>52924821
Those are Bloodsecutors.
Learn your AoS buddy jeez.

Is 1500pt going to be the standard? That's what the spoilers suggested.

>>52924872
does she actually know the rules, or do you baby her through the whole fucking game like 75% of female "players"?

>>52924870
Lamenters, but good luck with the simple there.

>>52924833
Yes, anti-tank weapons like lascannons. 3W will make you survive a lascannon hit kore often than 2W, considering that against 3W a lascannon only has a 2/6 chance to not insta kill you rather than a 1/6 chance. Compared to the guaranteed ID of 7th, this is a buff. Also the small chance of the lascannon rolling ones for damage, meaning you'd survive 2 shots from one not taking into account your 5+, and other rules they've said termis will have in order to make them more durable.

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>>52924817
>go to GW
>just got some new Ork Battlewagons to add to your army
>suddenly Jamal and Brittany walk into the painting corner
>they start making out while you awkwardly sit there painting
>then Brittany gets on her knees while Jamal does the best paintjob you've ever seen put on a space marine
>"Ayo muhfugga, whadda fuh is this green ass nigga shiet?"
>you run out, cry and quit wargaming for good

>>52924884
she played the game before I knew her, its actually how we met

>>52924835

Nah. We already know.

Heavy weapons CANNOT FIRE and move at the same turn. No snapshots. Cannot fire.

Rapid fire weapons get more shots if they don't move. For example, boltguns are rapid fire 1. A marine who stands still gets 2 shots. A marine who moves gets 1. Presumably this means that you can have a rapid fire 3 weapon that fires 4 times when you don't move, and once when you do. I'm hoping the Heavy Bolter is like this.

>>52924789
i don't get what you are trying to say here.
I'm saying the game was front loaded to be only really popular with the type of folks who can sit down and read through a bunch of spreadsheets.

>Neither are video games where you can turn the opposing team into bloody chunks
>And yet, who do the AAA publishers try to market towards again...?
Fuck if i know. I know a lot of older dudes who play the NuFPS but most of those are bro-age faggots who only really play that.
Outside of that, you don't see gibbing anymore, what wasn't soldier of fortune among the last real game that decided to go forth on the body deformation shit.
seriously though if you are point to banelfield, cod and shit it really doesn't mean anything. the game devs make a game designed for fast shooting for folks who have low attention span and boys like violence and have no attention span
it really doesn't make a difference, this wasn't targeted to kids orginally it just happened as an organic transition

>Again, the children being referred to are less tween and more teen.
teens be adolescents, don't know why you'd call them kids.
This may be an issue because i see fucking adults of 18-25 being refereed to as kids.

>>52924900
Where do we know this from?

>>52924869
no, counting 2xT makes less sense in a game where weapon S is not capped at 10.

>>52924898
Well you must've been a real treat if you managed to pick up a game store girl.

Crazy how one lil' brick box can apparently turn a 2 into a 10.

>>52924922

Dakka dakka. Showed some tweets the QA dude in relation to today's content. You can find it in the the thread if youc an tolerate sifting through 90 pages of sperglords bitching about Age of Sigmar.

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>>52924884
>does she actually know the rules, or do you baby her through the whole fucking game like 75% of female "players"?
I figure the majority of females playing this shit know their shit pretty well.
miniature games are fucking neckbeardy and expensive
most hipster faggots don't step in without enjoying what they like.
also this shit isn't fucking Dnd or someshit and cost shit to enter

>>52924928
>it makes
>even more sense

>>52924922
to me it looks like it came out of 4e

>>52924947
A lot of women in the hobby are in it just for the modeling and painting aspect and don't really care about the game. Not all by any means, but a lot.

>>52924528
I have, tell me what complex gameplay you think will survive this? Wound pools and wound allocation? Chariots? They even remove ic joining units lol

>>52924904
I think that's where the disconnect is, a lot of people see middle-schoolers as kids. Because we're all Oldfags.

>>52924947
Can confirm have seen women who have no idea what the fuck they're after drop hundreds of bucks on the 'cute bug thingies' cos they want their boyfriends to think they care.

>>52924537
Not a bait. 12 pages dude

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>>52924979
>r drop hundreds of bucks on the 'cute bug thingies' cos they want their boyfriends to think they care.
do you live with wealthy fuckers?
>dropping hundreds like that
fuck.

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>>52924870
>lore of space marines disgusting
>he doesn't like warrior-monks in space with rifles that shoot miniature rockets and swords that are chainsaws
But yes, there are many genocidal space marines, since, after all, that is the whole purpose of their duty to serve the Imperium agaisnt the Xeno, the Heretic, and the Mutant.

>>52924888
He said Genocidal, not Suicidal.

OH wait I misread your post, my apologies! Yeah, but against the enemies of the Imperium, who isn't genocidal?

If you want a chapter that doesn't slaughter civilians/Imperial Guard for being weak, then I suppose Ultramarines, Imperial Fists, Crimson Fists, really any chapter that's not Marines Malevolent, Flesh Tearers, or Minotaurs.

>>52925000
>expecting any different from vaginal jews

>>52924544
Everything is the same unit type, what's not to like? I don't have to think anymore just read datasheets constantly!

>>52924971
i've always characterized it by decade.

>>52924967

removing IC's from units sounds dumb as fuck to me as well, but honestly I think they're doing it to kill death-stars. In fact, much of the changes seem designed to make the game much less breakable than it is currently. 90% of the "tactics" of 7th ed is in list making. Watch battle reports online and you can usually tell at a glance who is going to win.

Anything that shakes that up is good for the game. It's going to feel retarded to have my space marine captain run around on his own only to get 1-shot by an imp. guard lascannon team, but I guess that's better than some asshole at the club running 50 invisible 4++ hit and run cyberwolves at me.

>>52924507
Ah yeah hopefully XV88 Broadsides can fire and move again at the same time.

>>52925038
Guilliman can Look Out Sir! to any unit in his formation that's near him. I assume that this will be the rule with all ICs in the coming edition.

>>52925038
Jesus Christ they are not removing attached units. So much of this shit is unconfirmed bollocks pulled from rumor sites. Wait to read it from the fucking source you mong.

>>52924870
>>52925003
Yeah, sorry I misread your post m8, but pretty much any non-Iron Hand descendant, Minotaurs, Marines Malevolent, or Flesh Tearers chapter are usually fine with regular dudes.

Raven Guard usually aim to help the local Imperial Guard, Ultramarines aim to minimize civilian casualties and help rebuild, Blood Angels try to take the brunt of the fighting in order to aid the locals as best they can, Salamanders are the friendliest dudes around even if their skin is #0000 and have glowing red eyes.

All this applies to most, but not all, successor chapters they have.

Might I ask why you find marine lore 'disgusting'?

>tfw I just want to see the rules before actually deciding how I feel
I can understand people don't like things about 7th but why exactly are people suddenly so confident in GW?

>>52924991
> All Special Rules will be in the unit profiles

So, 12 pages to Describe... the moving, shooting, and combat phases. Those would be like, 2 pages each? Maybe 3 for shooting.
Another 2 pages for how psychic works now.
2 pages of the new psychic disciplines.
1 page for that dumbass "What is a wargame and what will I need to play" section.

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When are leman russ battle cannons getting AP shells? It's beyond a joke at this point.

>>52925078

...they are though? I read the tweet. From the QA. That says IC's no longer join units. You mong.

>>52925106
And then each army will have 50 pages of unit special rules.

>>52925119
You can't expect people to actually READ, anon.

>>52925108
they've had them like 4 editions now.

do you even imperial armour?

>>52925083
It's pretty fucking fascistic and I happen to be a snowflake libcuck who thinks fascism is bad.
Granted, I get that in this setting basically everything wants to kill humans, but to be fair, I know I fucking would.

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Rate my homebrew chapter fluff tg, this started as an attempt to justify blue Blood Angels so all feedback is welcome.

The Void Angels chapter was formed from Blood Angels geneseed during an unknown founding to combat an increasing number of piratical raids into Imperial space, from both abhorrent Xenos and chaos marauders.

They initially operated as a fleet-based chapter, where they developed a keen specialty for boarding actions and void warfare while taking the fight directly to the pirate's voidcraft - perhaps their gene-seed indicted aggression when applied to space-borne foes.

In M35 the chapter defended the ice world of Nyrth from the horrifying predations of the Slaugth, and valiantly sacrificed over 80 Astartes by ramming the worm-mind's kingship with their battle barge and overloading the reactor. Strangely, the chapter's death Company were greatly diminished for centuries after the event.

As reward for its defence, the chapter was granted Nyrth as a permanent homeworld. Nyrth is home to a small number of hives, however the Void Angels mostly recruit from the gun-tribes living in the ruins which dot the tundra and dark forests between them.

The Void Angels are slightly brooding in nature, possessed of a gallows humour and isolationist temperament which other chapters and imperial forces find hard to relate to - at best, dealing with them is an awkward affair. Despite this the chapter does show care for the Imperium's human population as typical to many Blood Angels descendants, even if they have trouble expressing it at times.

(1/2)

>>52925119
Weird
my reductors didn't have IC anyway.
the fuck are they going to do with the reductor techpriest bodyguard

>>52925154

(2/2)

The chapter shows a clear preference for Mk IV 'Maximus' armour, with many Astartes wearing it and the chapter's forge still able to produce new suits. Perhaps coincidentally, the Void Angels count an above-average amount of techmarines amongst their ranks (especially for a blood angels successor).

Nyrth's gun-tribes often submerge fallen warriors in ice water, believing they will one day possess the skill to 'unthaw' them. The Void Angels have absorbed this tradition into their chapter rituals, and cryogenically freeze their death Company between baffles.

Some blood angels successors have been reported to place their death companies in the pure sleep of stasis, but the crude act of cryogenesis is unique to the Void Angels. Disturbingly, some whisper that the frozen warriors are conscious the entire time and brood on their rage in excruciating cold.

As of M41 there are roughly 650 Void Angels in active service, the chapter's numbers depleted due to attritional and increasingly dangerous war zones.

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>>52925145
Wat

Are you serious?

The Imperium of Man is described as the cruelest and bloody regime imaginable

And you say Space Marines are the worst part?

Okay

Nice b8

It is b8 right? I'm too tired to tell

I haven't slept in 2 days

>>52924178
I'm so glad they reworked the AP mechanic.

>>52925145
Your in the wrong game then commie

>>52925145
What do you expect from a fucking military force.

>>52925145
>I can only enjoy fiction that conforms to my politics
No anon, you are the totalitarians.

>>52925195
>what are Tau
But actually I play Orks.

>>52925121
SM:

ATSKNF will be a small blurb, probably. 1/8th of a page?

Let's dream and say that they go all out with chapter tactics. 2 pages.

1 page for drop pods.

Each unit will have its own page, like they do now.

What am I missing here? Maybe a few pages of armory, relics, and uses for command points?

>>52925145
Yeah, that's the joke. The Imperium is not a nice place to live.

>>52924178
>Boltguns have an AP of zero
>Rapid fire one
What is this?

>>52925208
How are tau communist.

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>>52925208
>But actually I play Orks.
Orks confirmed for most fun race in 40k.

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>>52925145
>snowflake libcuck who thinks fascism is bad.
>facism
>facism
>religious aristocratic oligarchy

>>52925251
latetotheparty.jpg

>>52925208
Tau have a caste system, that's not communist. They're still filthy xeno however, and must be purged regardless.

>>52925251
>AP 0

The enemy gets no modifiers and takes their armor save normally

>Rapid Fire 1

The new form of rapid fire. The number probably indicates how many extra shots you get over the standard one shot, so Rapid fire 1 is 2 shots, 2 is 3, etc.

>>52924521
Underrated post.

>>52925131
What book are you talking about?
Armoured company doesn't get them.

>>52925093
This is what I don't understand. I guess it's just hope.

I still don't really trust the designers but so far the changes they've confirmed have been positive.

Maybe in 9th they'll start addressing things like the turn structure and adding some more skill to the actual playing of the game.

Nids and Orks need to be fucking bullied

>>52925145
>at war with the universe.
>i don't like total war societies
>it's clearly a nationalist society even though it's clearly a theology
brown shirts were a mistake, everyone fucking throws facism around way to fucking much to the point it's near meaningless

>>52925000
I literally receiving a paycheck for $1000 a week after taxes, so shitting out a few hundred on one of my main hobbies isn't a big deal.

Sucks being a poorfag.

How and why are Nid and Ork players getting painted as the shitposters of /40kg/?

It's obviously just bored muhrinefags and Chaos shitters.

>>52925283
To be fair, I'm not sure even Il Duce could bother giving a coherent definition.

>>52925093
GW starts allowing online retailers to sell their product.
A sort of "clean slate" start with the rules, reworking the system, and taking ideas from Age of Sigmar.
Tom Kirby isn't the CEO anymore.

It's hard not to be hopeful. They're doing the right things all of a sudden.

>>52925283
>>52925259
Fascism usually describes a nationalistic state, but replacing nationalistic with theocratic isn't that much of a stretch.

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>>52925271
> mfw I realise tanks will probably always count as holding still for rapid-fire guns.
>mfw I realise how many shots hurricane bolters are going to put out.
>Yes I know they're not very good but they're my babies.

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>>52925283
>tfw Nazis were a far-left movement
People just forget these things. They were the national socialist workers party.

But anyways we should stay on topic like how different will Venerable Dreadnoughts be, and will Plasma Cannons finally be worth taking!

Because I love how this guy looks so much.

>>52925317
I'm expecting my Sonic blasters to end up as Rapid Fire 2. Missing out on the 2 shots on the move is going to be well worth getting a single shot at max range I feel. If I'm moving, odds are there wasn't anything that close anyway.

>>52925305
>I literally receiving a paycheck for $1000 a week after taxes
But you have 100 to waste on something you don't care about for no reason?
if so
>wasting money this much when you could be building capital

>>52925145
Ah, so you're the cuck who's been sperging everytime someone makes a post even remotely politically incorrect.

>>52925314
Prior to the release of 8th ED all of the rules we've gotten this year from GS have ranged from "meh" to "oh god who thought soulburst was a good idea". I guess one could blame those problems on 7th but that seems more forgiveness than GW has earned so far.

They've improved a lot on the marketing and community side, they have ye to prove themselves on the rules aspect.

>>52925339
I guess "fascism is bad" translates to "butthurt sjw who's actually the real fascist when you think about it" in newspeak, so sure.

>>52925306
t. Nidleaf

>>52925318
Nigga I'd kill for Plasma Cannons to be good.

>>52925318
The Nazis weren't a fucking far-left movement you fucking idiot.

God damn, I thought /tg/ was supposed to be reasonably smart too.

From Michael Mann:

"Fascism is the pursuit of a transcendent and cleansing nation-statism through paramilitarism"

>>52925316
>Fascism usually describes a nationalistic state, but replacing nationalistic with theocratic isn't that much of a stretch.
one could extend that logic to the papal stats, monarchies and every form of government based on religious ideas are fascist.
this is why the word is a mistake, it's fucking meaningless

>>52925316
>fascism usually describes a nationalist state
>what are the BUF
>who is benito mussolini

>>52925356
Considering you don't even fucking understand the definition of fascism I'd say so yeah.

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>>52925145
Your not just wrong, you're stupid.

Kind of irrelevant to the discussion of 8th Ed, but why in the fuck did GW replace the white-top pot for their paints? What the fuck is up with these teeth on the pots of paint now? Do they actually do anything other than really try and make sure you dry out your paint?

>>52925078
Except they are

>>52925356
>"fascism is bad"
define it clinically without moral statements and then explain rationally why it is bad.

>>52925382
The teeth are some sort of quality assurance seal

And yeah the new design is pretty shite, I have old white top pot paints that haven't dried after 5 years but new ones that dry in 2-3 years

>>52925361
stormfags are trying to turn this place into /v. That's why you see so many of them telling us how our hobby is dying because of the libtard esjaydoubleyous.

>>52925361
What was I thinking of then? I knew something was described as a far left thing back then

I dunno

I'm tired

>>52925390
Where has this been confirmed? None of the rundowns of the live Q&A I can find even mention it and I didn't hear them say it when I watched it.

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>>52925372
Argue with Webster not me.

>>52924250
I always thought death guard had gunmetal trim, even thought it's rusted. Now everything has them with tarnished bronze, or copper.

>>52925412
Communism?

>>52925418
Yeah probably

I need slepp im sorry

>>52925402
>HURRRRRRR STORMFAG STORMFAG EVERYONE I DON'T LIKE IS A STORMFAG
This is why people blame everything on libtards. Not because they agree or even care about nazism, because of retards like you who scream STORMFAG STORMFAG TOTALLY A RELEVANT SITE IN THIS DAY AND AGE AAAAAAAAAH.

>>52925416
You're asking a fucking dictionary on political definitions? Are you fucking retarded?

Oh wait, you're a commie, you are retarded. Nevermind.

people who think the d6 flamer thing is a nerf are completely fucking retarded and either can't do math or they're blind as to how they work on the tabletop

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>>52925397
>justify an ideological stance with math
No thanks.

Finally got my last box of Stealthsuits in the mail, but now I'm starting to worry about 8th special rules. I focus a lot on shit like outflanking, ambushing and stuff. I don't want to have my entire schtick removed if they decide to get rid of such ways to deploy/play. So much so I'm actually scared of assembling my stuff..

> Hear 8th edition coming out
> Likes the confirmed rule changes so far
> Thinks about jumping back into active 40k
> Goes to check out some models
> "Oh you live in NZ? That Start Collecting will be $165"
> Leaves GW store immediately

Honestly I just wonder why GW even bothers selling models in NZ/Australia anymore.

>>52925416
>right wing
referring to the right side of the parliament no? religious and aristocratic
>social organization
so by this definition feudalism is fascism.
so is theocracy.
And monarchy.
Oligarchy

>>52924895
>Go to local game shop
>Preoaring 40k with my best friend
>Brittany and Jamal burst in
>Everyone stares
>"Ay muthafuggas, where da terrain n sheeit"
>Owner points upstairs
>Jamal takes all the terrain for a tiny skirmish game
>"H-hey, can we have some terrain"
>"Fine whiteboi, beat me at a game"
>Start playing
>Ork vs Tau
>Set up army
>Warpjump with weirdboy
>Miss my mark
>Beats me in 4 turns and I buy war machine.

>>52925443
>living in NZ/AU in the first place
Kek

>>52925402
thats you idiots falseflagging or shitposting ironically

>>52925429
The only people who think it's a nerf are the guys who played against horde armies on tables that didn't have enough terrain, so people had to huddle 50 guardsmen behind 1 tiny building to try and get a cover save only for flamers to swoop in and get 12 hits per template or something.

Either that, or they played against people who didn't know how to space out models. I've had games where a small blast never hit more than one thing, and I've had games where it could reliably hit 8. I'm more than fine with meeting somewhere in the middle.

>>52925436
>oh shit this guy just asked me for an objective explanation of something and why I think it's bad without appealing to emotions
>better sperg out and write it so that it looks silly

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>>52924432
That's what you get for leaving the water.

>>52925426
Then accept this definition
>>52925361
By the by, where does democracy sit if people who oppose fascism are automatically communist?

>>52925443
Hundreds of other people are willing to buy it.

>>52925426
> Look at this libtard calling everyone who disagrees with him a Stormfag.

>Someone using the dictionary definition of a word to disagree with me? Retarded commie.

>>52925471
How the fuck can anyone make an argument without appealing to emotions. That's called pathos, you need that in an argument. I'm not jumping through hoops for you just because you're autistic.

>>52925271
Thanks anon.

>>52925426
t. racism-means-power+prejudice-not-the-dictionary-definition

>>52925276
imperial armour volume 1 or 2.

the one with all the IG tonks.
has AP, HE, Flare and phosphorus shells for battlecannons.

>>52925412
No you were thinking of the nazis, it's just that their socialism wasn't the same, arguably they shouldn't have called themselves socialist at all.
But honestly who cares about the political spectrum always changing and totally meaningless.

>>52925475
Isn't that a mudskipper?

>>52925402
>stormfags are trying to turn this place into /v.
>into /v/
>not /pol/
Get your boards right anon. Part of why /pol/ teamed up with /v/ was because progressive hacks at 'game journo' sites kept trying to shove their politics down everyone's throats.

/tg/ doesn't have that problem, thank Gork n' Mork.

>>52925470
>The only people who think it's a nerf are the guys who played against horde armies on tables that didn't have enough terrain
In other words, most Eldar players.

>>52925443
How much do video games cost in NZ? If it's anything like Australia from what I gather, everything is fucking expensive but also minimum wage is like $20 so the actual purchasing power parity is still pretty reasonable.

>>52925501
Ethos and pathos are garbage.

>>52925501
While you're at your shitty liberal arts college, drop into Philosophy 101 and you'll understand why emotional arguments are useless.

spoiler: people have different emotions

>>52925529
Most video games are probably banned or heavily censored anyway.

>>52925478
>accept an equally incorrect definition
Why the fuck should I?

Fascism is just a hyper-totalitarian movement that believes in supreme state control over media, actions, behaviors. That's it. It has nothing to do with nationalism.

>where does democracy sit
In the trash

>>52925488
Maybe, just maybe, the dictionary isn't the best source for the definition of a word from a highly specialized subject.

>>52925501
>HOW CAN ARGUMENTS BE OBJECTIVE
Bravo. Now I know who I'm dealing with, I'll be screencapping this for the next time you sperg out about /pol/ or stormfags.

>>52925515
Ah yes, strawman arguments. Nice.

>>52925526
>/tg/ doesn't have that problem, thank Gork n' Mork.
/tg/ doesn't have that problem because nobody intelligent reads "traditional games journalism." /v/ shouldn't have had this problem either, but somehow they decided that they had to care.

>Hang out on 4chan
>Having a good time
>Lots of random guesses about new edition
>Suddenly racist Brits come in
>They make jokes about black kids that are supposed to make you uncomfortable I guess
>Seems confusing
>Go about my day.

>>52925535
Literal autism.

>>52925537
That's why you have to appeal to the emotions of your intended audience.

I know how to solve the political shitstorm that is brewing in this thread.


Tau are underpowered and we need more space marine minis.

>>52925552
They're certainly USEFUL for persuading people, but so is fraud.

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>>52925562
I just want to know if plasma cannons will be good :(

>>52925545
Vidya became ridiculously profitable over a ridiculously short period of time; it threw everything off.
Whole fight was really about people trying to break off a piece of the profits, while pretending it was about politics.
Thankfully, we will never have this problem.

>>52925526
>In other words, most Eldar players.

Nah, Eldar don't really use that many flamers. I've only seen one person whining about D-Scythes potentially being different, but Eldar don't really need those for killing guard anyway.

Nah, all the complaining I've seen is about not being able to torch guardsmen with massed flamers. If I had to guess, I would assume Space marine players.

Tau don't bother with flamers because markerlights are better. Marines are the only ones that fit the bill of having that many flamer weapons while also being able to easily deliver them via drop-pod.

Instead of devolving into more /pol/ level shitflinging, how about you guys instead tell me hoe many hours it'll be until the next 8e teaser post.

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>>52925430

>>52925478
>if people who oppose fascism are automatically communist?
personally i believe it has more to do with the people who like to use the term now are, as you would say themselves facist in that they are authoritarian and regressed on liberal values.
a new aristocracy for a new age.

What i've been trying to drive through by elongating your definition is the term can be applied to literally everything, it's fucking meaningless. As simple as saying "bully" and generally unuseful for pointing out the people whom would be defined as dangerous rightwing personalities
A ethno-nationalist and a hawkish conservative type are both facists I would assume you'd agree that one is reasonably benign and the other not so much.

Even communist societies can be classed like that, the soviets, most of asia, the cubans,etc are largely authoritian and can be seen to be right leaning and nationalistic because of their organizations.
literally only democracy is not a fascist state when someone stretch that term because it has no clear limitation.

dumb fucking orks and their /pol/ shitposting

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>>52925562
Different shitposting isn't any better.
I propose this: How about you idiots help me come with rules for a 4chan risk game based around an Imperium v Tau campaign.

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Don't you get it you right wing fucks? We've already won, you're already cucked and this hobby and the rest like it belong to people like me.

fucking bigots

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>>52925543
Here's the aforementioned screencap for anyone who wants to use it to dismiss the retards.

>>52925543
A mathematical proof can be purely objective. An argument about ideology really can't be, not without resorting to highly reductionist reasoning and assuming everything works in magical Christmas land.

>>52925585
you haven't won until there are female space marines

>>52925478
People who oppose fascism aren't automatically communist?

Let me break it down:

Transcendence (ability of state to transcend social conflict and make shit harmonious)
- Fascism: Yes.
- Communism: Yes.
- Democracy: No. The state is an arena of competition between various factions, interest groups, classes, and so forth.

Cleansing (ethnic)
- Fascism: Yes.
- Communism: No. It's more or less internationalist and anti-racist.
- Democracy: Neutral. Lots of cases of it swinging both ways.

Cleansing (political)
- Fascism: Yes. Corporatism, elimination of opposition parties and groups, silencing the press.
- Communism: Yes.
- Democracy: No.

Statism:
- Fascism: Yes.
- Communism: Yes
- Democracy: Varies, but generally speaking doesn't believe that the state can do or should do anything.

Nationalism:
- Fascism: Yes.
- Communism: Usually no in theory but almost always in practice.
- Democracy: Usually.

Paramilitarism:
- Fascism: Yes.
- Communism: No.
- Democracy: No.

Now think about the Imperium. What does it look like to you?

It's transcendent (Imperium can do anything with the Emperor's light etc etc); ethnic cleansing of a sort but it is really a human-supremacy organization; definitely politically cleansing (HERESY); statism yes; nationalism yes; paramilitarism eh sort of but it is officially sanctioned by the state for the most part. It's a quasi-fascist hybrid sprinkled with high stalinism and theocracy.

>>52925543
>>52925588
Are you actually autistic irl?

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>>52925583
>>52925578
I have know idea if you are normal /tg/anons angry at /pol/
/pol/ baiting about /pol/
anti - /pol/ anons baiting about /pol/
/pol/ baiting about anti - /pol/ anons baiting about /pol/
this shit is annoying and stupid.

>>52925529

Depending on what game you get it's generally somewhere between 85-100 for a standard edition.

Minimum wage is 15.75 an hour.

>>52925573
Terminators are looking to be good again so that's a huge plus. Random damage on a hit is going to be way better than the ugly scatter small blasts are prone to. Average result on 2d6 is 7-8, BS on a marine is 4, so average scatter is 3-4" and the diameter on the small blast is 1.5" I think. I'm more interested in seeing if Wyverns stop being the bane of all infantry

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>>52925585
Who's "we"? Go back to /r/warhammer40k.

>>52925590
It's funny because highly reductionist reasoning is exactly what you used to try to pin all fascism as nationalist, when literally only 1 of the 4 major fascist movements were actually nationalist.

>>52925599
>HE'S CALLING ME OUT TIME TO CALL HIM AUTISTIC
Nice.

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>>52925583
>dumb fucking orks and their /pol/ shitposting
>Blaming Orks for /pol/ shit
Da zog iz wrong wid you, humie?

Orky politiks 101: Da biggest git iz boss!

>>52925563
> "That baby is on the train tracks!"
>"I'm not sure we should save it."
>"What the fuck? Why not?"
>"It was clearly abandoned. Abandoned children are a burden on the foster care system and are more likely to be criminals. Criminality, especially when it starts at a young age, freqently lasts for a lifetime."
> "But it's a baby!"
> "Appealing to my emotions does not change the fact that that baby is more likely to cause more harm than good."

>>52925588
I am sorry to hear about your condition, I hope the doctors can help.

>"Let's see what's going on in /40kg/!"
>see this discusssion
>leave the thread and get on my way to university

See you guys in a few hours when this crap has died down.

>>52925604
>>52925611
>>52925614

FUCK ORKS

>>52925620
As you can see, the pathos argument here has failed completely.

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Hoping Rubric focused armies are better in 8th. Maybe something like an exalted, 1-2 SOT squads, as many rubrics as needed, and then optional additional Tzaangors.

>tfw kharn is a statpadder

sick k/d ratio though

>>52925624
welcome to nighttime/european time /40kg/

it's fucking terrible

>>52925620
>not appealing to emotions = utilitarianism
Bravo, while you're at it, remind yourself that Stalin was a massive proponent of utilitarianism.

>>52925623
I hope the doctors can help with your projection complex, it's really bad and it seems like you may need some medication.

>>52925620
> "That baby is on the train tracks!"
Then why the fuck are you wasting time telling me? If you want to save that wrinkled shit-machine go do it yourself you frumpy bitch. I've got spesh mareens to paint.

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>>52925651
Alright. So what is a good argument for saving the abandoned baby, using only Logos then? I'm genuinely curious.

>>52925439
i highly doubt stuff like that will be completely gone.
it may work differently.

>>52925670
The same reason you have a biological need too: survival of the species.

>>52925520
Nope, mud skippers are fish and have fins and external eyes.
It's definitely an Axolotl which is an aquatic salamander.

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[kill everyone in this thread, including me]

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>>52925664
>faggot starts shouting about "orks" and their posting
>random anon posts this.
i wonder who could be behind this post

>>52925399
The white-top was such a good design. The ability to just keep your paint at a 90 degree angle and minimize drippage was a good one. Why did they regress?! Surely a small ridge of plastic wasn't that much to produce.

>>52925610
I like that. I hope plasma cannons in general are better too, and not just in terminator hands.

>>52925690
Obviously a fucking Nidleaf.

>>52925684
Species is doing just fine, if anything we're overcrowded.

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Never. EVER has this image been more relevant. fucking shit /tg/, is it the aussies?

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>>52925628

>>52925670
By your logic, if fascism usually includes nationalism, it is inherently nationalist to ensure survival of your own race, including abandoned innocent children.

Furthermore the desire to protect innocence is an inherently rightwing idea, hence the opposition to pedophilia by most if not all rightwing ideologues (excluding libertarian rightwingers of course).

>>52925579
Zoanthropes got a tonne cuter when I realised they are 2 arms and 4 tiny little useless legs, as opposed to creepy crawly claws.

>>52925670
"If we allow trains to run over abandoned babies, it is likely to reduce our irrational belief in the sanctity of human life, which is a strong psychological anchor for humans faced with the meaningless of an uncaring world. Allowing the train to run over the baby is also likely to cause psychological trauma to us and many others, leading an overall decrease in subjectively measured welfare for myself, yourself, and many others. It is in your own best interest to save this baby."

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>>52925543
>Calls people idiots
>Resorts to irony
>Resorts to metaphors
>Gets bothered enough to make le satirical pictures
>Insists that arguements should be devoid of emotion
>Insists that his arguements are devoid of emotion

That's actually an interesting sperg, I've never seen anyone so quite eccentric.

>>52925684
That's... not an issue in this day and age? We have few population problems, and putting a parentless child into the foster care system will not be at all necessary to ensure humanities survival.

If survival of the species is THAT important, then I should probably start trying to impregnate lesbians. That's a much bigger threat to our survival.

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>>52925705

>>52925670
Not the libtard, but this is easy:
>every life has intrinsic value, and if there is no cost to the rescuer, then the attempt should be made
or
>not saving the baby would force the train to stop for an investigation, delaying its shipment, other shipments on that track, and if at an intersection, holding up traffic. it also expends police resources that could be better put elsewhere than on investigating a baby death
or
>your state/province has good samaritan laws, and by knowingly letting that child die when you were in a position to do something you have opened yourself up to legal and/or civil repercussions

>>52925705
I genuinely wanted advice about space marines but now I'm just in it for the (you)'s.

>>52925670
Saving the baby requires minimal effort, and may aid in leading to the arrest of whomever is placing babies onto railroad tracks, thus removing a potentially dangerous element from society.

>>52925718
It's funny because I haven't done any of those. I have no clue where you're even digging any of this shit from.

But it's ok, as a liberal it's entirely natural for you to project harder than an Epson machine.

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>>52925726
>calling me an avid ork collector a fucking Aussie

I'd strangle you if I could

>>52925716
Babies dead already f@m

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>>52925743
>wrong bases
>unpainted
please tell me you've changed Steve

>>52925744
>post tfw the squig eats the abandoned baby

>>52925716
That sounds more like an issue with our belief that human life is sacred than anything else. Wouldn't it be healthier in the long run to accept that senseless death is a fact of life?

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>>52925744
"By droning on and on about psychological technicalities, I distracted us from having to watch the train run over the baby, and thus if we turn around and walk away without looking at the red stain where the baby used to be, it is unlikely to scar us psychologically unless we brood on it."

>>52925754
I want an Ork runt herder to raise that baby.

what happens if you field an unpainted army

>>52925728
Prove mathematically that life has intrinsic value!!!
>autistic screeching

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>>52925715
Yeah, theyre pretty cute little buggers.

>>52925746
CAN, not WILL.
And really, if there's a land raider so damaged with exposed bits, maybe a good lasgun shot pops the fuel tank or some ordinance or the driver's skull and blows it the fuck up

>>52925773
If you don't believe that human life has intrinsic value there aren't very many reasons for you to save this baby, but the emotional appeal isn't going to work on you either.

>>52925755
Then we'd be Russians, a fate worse than death.

>>52925772
It would be extremely painful

>>52925671
Just hope it's still as fun. I play casual so I don't mind my powerlevel fluctuating a bit, but I literally built the army with the intention of using such tactics, so it would blow if I'm forced to play in a way that I don't want to and doesn't suit my fluff.

Not doomsaying or anything, I actually like what I've seen so far. If anything, cover adding to your save makes my grunts tougher.

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>>52925754

>>52925772
I pretend it's a VR training exercise for my detachment.

>>52925772
It looks kinda lame when you're fighting with grey dudes. Also kinda looses that "blood sweat and tears in the paint" feeling.
I don't mind too much because I'm waaaaay too lazy to paint more than 10 Orks at a time.

>>52925773
>putting in this much effort in order to avoid explaining what fascism is and why it's bad

I don't even like the people who try and defend facism and even I'm getting annoyed by you

>>52925746
Pretty dumb, why not just have an actual armour system and stop it from happening altogether.

>>52925771
Honestly, I want this to happen. What if an Ork raises a human instead of just eating it. What if the Orks believe that human is an ork?

>>52925787
For you.

>>52925772
>>52925787
>>52925792
>>52925793


Is this okay to do while waiting for paints and stuff to come in, or because you haven't decided on colors?

>>52925746
FUCK GW KEKS TRYIN TO GET PEOPLE TO BUY 500 GUARD FUCKING SHITTY $$$ PTW SYSTEM FUCK NU GW JUST OLD GW WITH BIGGER TSHIRTS NO BLAST TEMPLATES NO FLAMERS BETTER RUN 500 ORC BOYZ FUCK

>>52925771
Slave, duh.

>>52925813
If you have under 40 infantry models built, yes.
If you have over that......
Or if you regularly play them.....

>>52925746
Saw that exact bitch made on my local shops Facebook page. Everyone shot him down hard for being an overreacting puss. I don't get the whining when we don't even have a copy of the full rules yet.

>>52925805
>What if the Orks believe that human is an ork
You end up with a human eventually leading an Ork warband, or living a life as some Warboss's Smartboy I figure.

>>52925787
You are a proxy player

>>52925800
> poster puts "autistic screeching" in greentext
> Anon thinks that post is to be taken seriously

>>52925746
It's easy for them to say that, but I'm curious what the math is to make it work out that way.

>>52925805
Well I would think the runt herder would do a good job. They're genetically inclined to work slaves and are actually less rough to human slaves. Knowing that they're not at tough as Orks.
Sure one has observed his mated slaves, or something in his brain clicks and he feeds the baby mashed mushrooms to let it grow.

>>52925638
A squad of 10 Rubric Marines will cost 500 points

In return each one gains Psyker level 1

>>52925826
Definitely Smartboy. Humans aren't Orky enough to become da boss.

>>52925828
How did you know that?

>>52925805
Orks can instinctively tell when something or someone is non-Orky, which is why Chaos and Genestealer Cults never last long on Ork territory due to the fact that all the other Orks will race over and kill anyone they feel isn't Orky enough.

>>52925813
Oh, YOU are the unpainted army? Uh, well...

kill yourself?

>>52925805
The Beast Arises.epub

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>>52925850
>Humans aren't Orky enough to become da boss.
Not even this humie?

>>52925813
Either one is fine. No one is gonna call you out on it, they don't know you're situation.
But they might poke fun at you behind your back.

Why does everyone hate orks

So how long does it take you guys to paint a decently painted unit?

For me, a Space Marine like character takes me an hourish(Not counting time spent drying), a bigger unit like a dreadnought takes me about an hour if spray painted, more if not

>>52925873
Because they are the best.

Is it ok to play with an unpainted army if you are slowly learning to paint, very slowly, + shy, insecure, and taking the hard route of creating your own painting scheme?

>>52925852
I'm from CIA

>>52925824
>Many started rules are bad
"Buh-But we haven't seen the rest yet!"
>Still means there's bad.

They could make my specific snowflake army work exactly as I always wanted and be a fucking icecream festival and I'd still feel pissed because the three changes they've already done means it's NOT A WARGAME ANYMORE.

>>52925873
>>52925879
WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH

>>52925853
You make a good point anon, but hear me out.
What if the Human thinks he's an Ork. Believes with every damned fibre of his being. Chaos and Genestealers know they're different, and try to hide it. But this human? There's nothing to hide, because he knowd that he is an Ork.

>>52925877
I used to take like 6 hours per model but I was also a lot more distracted. Nowadays I can bang out a tabletop-quality Fire Warrior in about 45 minutes if I stop procrastinating.

>>52925884
>tfw flamers are more effective against small units than large units now
At the very least they could use the move towards more unique special rules to make it hit more against large units over small units.

>>52925889
It works, right up until an ork chops their arm off and wonders why he's screechin and rollin around on the ground instead of just suckin it up and growin it back.

>>52925882
No, don't fucking play until you're done painting you newfag piece of shit.

>>52925884
>three changes
>not a wargame anymore
Do tell.

>>52925841

The math is somewhere around 36 shots per wound on a Dread at 4+ to hit. Dreads have a 3+ save, which kind of hurts them there. That's also IF you don't need exploding 6s to wound them. So, if you want to kill an 8W dreadnaught, you'd need 288 shots.

Land Raiders are likely to have a 2+ save with more wounds, which takes it down to 72 shots per wound, which could very well have at least 10 wounds if not more. That's also if the LR doesn't have extra protection like Termies supposedly have.

>>52925865
No, he's too scary by being literally the only thing Orks fear.

i think what the orcfucker-anon wants to know is whether or not the orc gestalt is powerful enough to orkify an 'umie

the answer is yes

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Barbed Hierodule or 3 Carnifexes?

>>52925845
Please Tzeentch no I don't want to only have 1 squad of rubrics and then 50 Tzaangors just so I can do decently.

>>52925884
*chugs whiskey*
H'okay, anon. Let's hear about these three confirmed changes (with proof) and your explanation about why they make the game...sigh...'not a wargame' anymore.
I'm sure this will be worth our time more than that political shitfest a couple dozen posts back.

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>>52925884
> NOT A WARGAME ANYMORE

I mean, I get not being a wargame that you like, but...