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>>52907347
First for the Ynnari.

Post inspo for a heretek

ork boys on 32mm bases when?

Will Alpharius ever get a model? Is the Alpha legion actually heretic? Is Alpharius dead?

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>Space Marines
>Imperial Forces
>Chaos
>Xenos Empires
>Xenos Hordes (Orks and Nids)

Choose your allegiance.
https://www.strawpoll.me/12819985

>>52907410
It's to the point where I can't tell if this is ironic, autism or ironic autism.

>>52907421
Did GW actually announce this would be happening?

>>52907435
No, people are just shitposting.

Who will be right ? what will be anounced today ?

>>52907419
Dorn killed Alpharius. This is fact, because BL writers know how to raise the stakes in a meaningful way or show a character being competent beyond punching something.

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>>52907446
forgot pic

>>52907419
Nope. Alpharius is under deep cover as the Golden Throne.

>>52907446
Weapons
My bet is bolter, heavy bolter, missile launcher and something else

>>52907457

Oh that's nice. I got caught in the image.

I'm looking forward to mad tau guy again.

>>52907421
>Necrons are still 'destruction' faction in muh headcannon.

>>52907477

I am rather hoping that bolters are no rend, heavy bolter at -1 rend.

I'd prefer to see armour saves reduced more than negated this edition.

>>52907489
>C'tan bitches
Newcrons >>>>> Oldcrons

>>52907446
Dunno and weapon profiles today

>>52907419
The Alpha Legion is just waiting for Chaos to let its guard down. Than BAM! They return to Terra as heros, Guilleman unmasks himself as Alpharius, who than unmasks himself as Omegnon, before they unmask The Emperor as the real Alpharius.

>>52907493
Bolters should be -1, Heavy bolters -2
Bolters fire fucking mini rockets with explosive charges, those will chip your ceramic armor and destroy flak jackets.

>>52907512
the rubric are -5 ?

>>52907512

My main concern is the sheer amount of high AP stuff about already. I'd rather see them step away from that 'Only 2+ saves matter' ledge by toning down rending.

>>52907495
>Every History of Every Faction = "Hubris Ends Badly"
>But no muh Newcrons.

Fuck that, roboslaves forever.

>>52907537
I mean with any kinds of modifiers every armor save except power armor is already fucking useless so I'd gladly see Marines fucked over as well.

>>52907554

A heavy bolter at -1 would drop carapace armour down to a 5+. That's not terrible. Battle Cannons, a bit less fun at -2 presumably but a save is better than no save.

>>52907537
>>52907554
On one hand a bolter only being -1 would make flak armor slightly better by actually allowing guardsmen a 6+ save, but carapace would be worse by reducing the save to 5+.

I guess cover will be the name of the game if any type of main infantry gun has any kind of rend.

>>52907573
It makes carapace armor objectively worse than in 7th though. It's not a huge change, but still.

>>52907529
I don't even know how specialized high ap weapons like hot-shot lasguns and rubric bolters will work now. Probably a -2 modifier where they normally would have none?
>>52907573
I'd rather have Heavy Bolters be fucking awesome tbqh

>>52907547
>>Every History of Every Faction = "Hubris Ends Badly"

Orks, Tyranids.

>>52907584
Wait, shit, you were talking about heavy bolters, not bolters.

>>52907584
>It makes carapace armor objectively worse than in 7th though. It's not a huge change, but still.

...what? A heavy bolter in 7e flat denies carapace armour. A 5+ is a big step up from nothing.

>>52907597
I just saw bolter at a glance and thought you were talking about regular bolters.

>>52907585
>I'd rather have Heavy Bolters be fucking awesome tbqh

Honestly, a -1 save mod is far from a bad thing. It's a nice increase in damage and (From my limited experience listening to the Sigmar players) something considered really nice to have.

>>52907604

Ah, nah.

My preferences would be 'No mod for bolters' (They do get the extra strength over lasguns and the fluff reason for them, taking out orks, isn't helped much by that rend). -1 on AP4 weapons, -2 on AP 3 weapons, -3 on AP 2 weapons, -4 on AP 1 weapons.

Basically 'If it would just negate your save before, you'll be left with a little save but not much'.

But that's due to me feeling like armour is a bit meaningless right now and that AP 1/AP2 have no real separation.

>>52907605
I guess I'm having bad memories from playing the local Death Guard
How often do you make a 5+ save? 33% of the time?
No, with Death Guard you make it 90% of the time and with Imperial Guard you make it 10% of the time if you're allowed to even take it

I feel the death of Warhammer 40k coming soon. I don't know why but ever since they ruined Warhammer Fantasy I know 40k is next.

The Golden Throne will fail, the Primarchs that still live will come back and everything will go End Times.

The Universe reset will happen soon after and then?

Shit.

Shit. Everywhere.

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>>52907421
>collect both xenos and chaos armies
>can't decide which faction deserves my support more after years of getting bashed by imperial wankery.

>>52907641
At least we'll still have one edition until then.

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>>52907652
Chaos.

They are the true underdogs and only have four armies representing them.

>>52907661
>Chaos
>Underdogs
The fuck you smoking

>>52907641
Oh dont worry.

They will stop the progression at one point for another 30 years really soon.

>>52907678
With free core rules they'll probably be releasing a bunch of campaign books so things will be happening at least. Mostly not things that matter on a grand scale but who knows.

>>52907714
I can only hope they'll go back to Armageddon-style campaigns.

>>52907661
>they are true underdogs

>chaos will always win

>>52907678
Could you kindly rephrase that? I don't get what you are saying exactly.

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>>52907652
>collect imperial guard and sisters
>cannot decide which one is worse
>decades of getting shafted by space marine fanwank and eldar dickery
>oh and tau do everything I do but better
>just watched the 3 year old marine kit get updated yet again
>mfw my model youngest line was last updated in 2000

It's not imperial wankery anon, it's space Mary sue's of various flavours. Baring marines and mechanicus no imperial faction has been updated since the early 2000's.

>>52907629
I reckon normal bolters will be -1 like 2nd ed and SW:A. That might not apply to all S4 weapons though

I don't think it's necessarily going to follow the AP route all the time but instead the number of wound will become the major differentiating factor for what were AP1/2 weapons

>>52907675
>>52907730
>always win
>when Orks and Nids exist

>>52907733
Did you forget the Ogryns and Leman Russ updates?
>>52907742
To be honest even if there was a warboss to unite all orks, the rest of the universe would just have to devise a way to kill him and the threat would disband for another million years.

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>>52907661
>>52907730
>>52907742

pic related

>>52907726
There's supposedly a global campaign coming this summer, but with the release of 8th ed that wouldn't be too surprising.

>>52907732
Exactly what I meant.

GW will stop the story progression at one point so they can milk this franchise as much as they could.

>>52907435
in part. they've announced all the army rules will be in 5 books.
how the factions are arranged in those books is speculation.

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Reminded that this is Saint Celestine thicc song.

https://youtu.be/NQtqMDeXkus

So Warhammer live on Friday is Sisters vs Tzeentch Daemons, what are the odds that there'll be plastic sisters?

>>52907758
>lets focus the story on how humanity is the ultimate good and ultimate evil

>>52907753
Allow me to correct myself:
No updates in 17 years baring an ugly unit no one ever uses because it is Shit, a slight update to our overpriced basic tank to add in some extra guns and a new fugly transport no one wanted.

>>52907772
Actually fuck nevermind a Global campaign was what lead to AoS
>>52907792
If there's an amount after 0 that's so small it can't be observed in realspace, that's the chance.

>>52907784
And more than likely marines will be in the same book as the rest of the imperials, no matter how much people want to meme about them being in their own.

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New from the rumor mill. What the hell is this?

>>52907802
Im a Tyranid player myself tbqh, and I don't really like the Imperium/Chaos wank either.

I just thought the picture is funny, is all.

>>52907792

100,000% there will be plastic sisters.

Tzeentch Daemons will likely be getting a new thing spoiled?

>>52907816
A new tyranid codex

>>52907816
Cheldar shit ?

>>52907804
Also decent looking Stormtroopers in plastic.
And yeah I'm really sad about what they did to basic ogryns compared to the metal ones, but at least Bulgryns with gas masks look nice.

>>52907816
Necron symbols. Blade looks Tyranid though.

Strange.

>>52907435
They announced 8th, they also say there will be 5 books.

That either means 1 is the rule book and 4 armies or 5 army books and a rulebook.

>>52907802
>let's focus on how humanity is the ultimate good and warcraft orcs and zergs are the ultimate evil

>>52907828
Looks like Taudar.

>>52907841
I'm pretty sure they said all armies were being released across the 5 books.

>>52907816
chaos eldar
bleh

>it won't turn out the tyranids are weapons of the Old Ones sent to do what the orks failed to
>the orks and tyranids wont form hybrids like the protoss and zerg
missed opportunity for a new army tbqhwyf

>>52907841
Or one rulebook, one scenery book and the other three are the armybooks for Imperium, Chaos and Xenos.

>>52907816
Probably a shot of the Xenos codex. There appears to be Nids, Necrons and maybe even Tau there

>>52907833

Those symbols are Eldar. At the very least the one on the right with the triangle is absolutely an Eldar symbol. The one for Farseer's I think actually.

>>52907816
right symbol is Eldar, left is Necron, don't know what they specifically mean though

>>52907816
Hrud confirmed or the Hrud concept with a TM name.

If it is an Eldar shit and it is not Asepect Warrior update it will be automatically shit.

>>52907816
XENOS EMPIRES CODEX

>>52907872
okay looked it up the Eldar symbol literally means Eldar. So yeah probably the Xenos book

>>52907862
I fear this the most.

>Xenos armies become one codex
>marine armies are still get numerous codexes for each chapter

How would /tg/ react to this?

>>52907816
I believe it's a new Trazyn shit
The rune next to the Eldar is probably Farsight Enclave

>>52907816

Alright guys lets brake it down.

There is clearly a ring with symbols each representing a different race. The Eldar Symbol literally means "Eldar", not Biel Tan or anything like that. There are also 3 spaces for a 1/4 of a circle. Totaling for 12 different races. The races are likely to be grouped next to their allies.

I believe this is to be the 8th Edition Rulebook, not the Xeno's Empires book.

>>52907903
Nothing changes, nothing ever will
Every year another Space Marine, another codex to fill.
Same old story, what's the use of tears?
What's the use of praying if there's nobody who hears?

Will there be meme rules in this edition like AoS?

Will how you paint your minis affect any rules?

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>>52907903

>>52907813
yeah my guess is
Imperium
Chaos
Eldar
Organised xenos (tau and necrons)
horde xenos (tyranids, GSC and orks)

>>52907941
What about the big ol Tyranid claw?

>>52907945
I want red painted vehicles to go faster.

God damn it why is 3rd edition best edition? It is sad that is the best by comparison.

>>52907903
no matter what happens /tg/ is going to be full of shitposting

>>52907830
A, good point - I nearly forgot about those. They actually did do a good job on those, but it is a pity the rules are so terrible that almost no one ever uses them.
>>52907792
Virtually none. Let's face it, we have been getting plastic sisters rumours for years, and gw has trolled the community before with them. But if there are plastic sisters I will buy them.
>>52907822
Once again, not imperial/chaos wankery. It is basically alk marine/eldar wankery. You don't see guard or sisters getting much of a mention do you.

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So the recently spoiled stats for marines were interesting. All my local gamers are whining that allowing lasguns to wound anything on a 6+ is going to ruin the game, so I felt compelled to do some math.

Assuming guardsmen can get three shots with rapid fire and First Rank Fire, and that they still hit on 4+, I got this:

>Versus Dreadnaught with 8 wounds and 3+ save
> ((1/((3/6)*(1/6)*(2/6)))/3)*8=96

On average you need 96 guardsmen to kill a Dreadnaught in one shooting phase

>Versus Rowboat Girlyman with 9 wounds, 2+ save, and assumed 5+ feel no pain
> ((1/((3/6)*(1/6)*(1/6)*(4/6)))/3)*9=324

On average, 324 guardsmen will kill Robin Girlscout, not considering he reanimates

Doesn't seem too bad. One of my buds whines particularly much about his Land Raiders, but I'm going to assume they have the same stats as the primarch or so.

>>52907963
Its not a claw, its the corner of a skull

>>52907421
Chaos has literally no interesting factions. Chaos SM are just normal SM but worse, both in models and rules. Leaves you with demons who are more fantasy than furutistic space.

>>52907858
nah fuck that shit.
tyranids are better just as their own totally alien thing.

>>52907975
The issue is that it can happen.

>>52907978
nah that lower bit is definitely a claw.

>>52908004
just like IRL

>>52908009
>IRL

>>52907858
Kill yourself. Tyranids are awesome solely because they don't have any point.

They weren't created to fight chaos, or any other threat.

They exist because of the most basic, primal force in the galaxy: they evolved to kill, instead of be killed.

Tyranids are apex as fuark

>>52907816
Proof that Slaanesh is being removed from Chaos pantheon.

>>52907678
Seeing how gathering storm massively boosted interest and sales I wouldn't put too much stock in that idea

>>52907987
I like the theory that Nids are a DNA thingy backup made by the Old Ones.

Something to store the galaxy life and replant it once the Necrons are dead and/or chaos calmed its tits down.

Since life is sacred for the Old ones they are not killing life just making a backup for later use.

>>52907982
No interesting fluff factions or crunch factions?

>>52907975
A single platoon of guardsmen with no special weapons will do about an average of 2 wounds. Even if they aren't always going to be killing it there will probably be quite a few instances of them finishing it off.

>>52908009
IRL vehicles also have historically had thinner armor on different facings, but hey.

>>52908009
I didn't knew Dreadnoughts and girlyman was real. And we had perfect logistic lasgun weapons.

>>52908009
Yeah in theory you can take a 20 and punch a tank to death, it would take you hours if not days.

Since each turn is about 6 seconds (if not then battles in the future are fought in slow motion) the possibility of punching a tank to death with guardsmen is absurd.

>>52908031
Literal shit taste detected.

Tyranids don't give a fuck about Chaos, or the Old Ones, or whatever the fuck supposed "intelligent" races concern themselves with.

Tyranids are hyperevolved alien superpredators from beyond the stars who have come to remind the galaxy that the only thing that really matters is being at the top of the food chain.

Survival of the fittest, muhfuh.

>>52908009
Lel, small arms can't do fucking shit to tanks irl.
That's literally the point of tanks.

>>52908009
You make it sound like that is a bad thing. Why? Is it a fluff thing that chafes at you or is it from a rules perspective?

>>52908061
Getting out adapted in their own codex says otherwise.

Getting trolled by cogboys says otherwise.

GSC are more of a threat to civilization than the retarded nids

>>52908061
Marines are happy to be a tool, there is nothing wrong with playing a toolbox faction.

>>52908034
Don't really care about the crunch, but they just don't do it for me fluff wise. Demons are tied with Tyranids (who fit the space setting significantly better) as NPC faction and CSM are just plain evil for evils sake.

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>>52908061
>>>>Nidfanboys

>>52908031
Only way to calm the warp is to erase everything thats fucked it up?

>>52908061
>Survival of the fittest
So why do Tyranid players cry about needing buffs all the time?

>>52907975
They have also confirmed that you would need 500+ lasgun shots to take down a Land Raider

>>52908118
This are the Old Ones, the fuckers made the Eldar and the Orks as a weapon without a kill switch.

That is how much they care about life, so in a twisted way wipe everything out and start over could be their saddest final solution. Admitting they fuck up and trying to fix the problem.

But then again is just a theory and no need to be all work up like some nidfag

>>52908148
Do you trust GW with numbers with more than one digit? Do I need to remind you about the steel plating in the Landraider?

Does anyone have that diagram?

>>52908025
I'm calling this. Said it last thread. Gw can't have anything "adult" in its new kid friendly grim dark

>>52908107
Why not play use chaos rules to play as renegades? My plan is to start a Fallen list using Alpha legion rules and there's always the Red Corsairs

>>52908185
Might be my Latino side, but I never understood the disgust the west has for the human body.

Tits, ass and sex? No! How awful!
Murder, death, dismemberment? Sure show it on tv so even kids can see it.

>>52908185
No, it's not that. If they were censoring the games, they shouldn't have put exposed tits on kits that came after new daemonettes, for example. Or keep all the models with tits hanging out on their inventory. Let alone making Diaz daemonettes to order.

No, they'll remove Slaanesh just to fuck with all the faggots who play his armies.

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>>52908092
>>52908113
>>52908136
>When you play a faction that will become prey to the perfect alien race in the next millenium and cruddace won't be sabotaging the next codex

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>>52908061
>hyperevolved alien superpredators
Wot da zog did 'u just say about me ya little runt?

>>52908210
>implying they have put a set of bare tits on a humanish thing in years

Murder and evil = fine. Add sex into that = bad.

>>52908205
its just america thats like that.

GW isn't removing slaanesh.

>>52907453
Who knows at this point man. That might have not been Alpharius

>>52908210
>his
Watch your fucking pronouns.

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>>52908255

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>>52908255
Violence is not portrayed in an even remotely detailed or realistic way, it's heavily stylised.
But this is literally an aos model.

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RGG here. Didn't get to chime in on the 1d4 bullshit last thread. Kinda agree with Raptors anon. Everyone hates my models anyway so why draw attention to them?

What would be on a GGA 1d4chan page?

>>52908296
>>52908288
AoS has some great models

>>52908296
I don't care that people mock her for being a treenought, I think she looks cute.

>>52908296
But seriously I want to fuck her acorn.

>>52908319
Because I love you.

>>52908319
The cliche shoulder pads kill it for me

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>>52908296
Don't forget this one.

I saw someone use those models to make nice CSM Possessed, where their armour is all busted and their demonic flesh is all exposed.

>>52908344
>perfect kit for Crimson Slaughter's new gimmick

>>52908205
>Latino side
>don't understand the "west"
um Anon I don't know how to break this to you...

On a more serious note, the Christian relationship with the human body is a long and complicated subject, I would suspect that the more puritan strains of Protestantism are responsible for the Anglosphere's general prudishness. Hell hats and headscarfs were still practically mandatory wear until the 2nd world war

>>52908344
I did that by literally shredding sigmarine armor.

Now I know there was an alternative.

So 40k is aos'd now? Is 40k kill?

>>52908136
>im a drooling retard who can't tell the difference between crunch and fluff

>>52908303
Christ please wash

>>52908388
Agree with you anon. Tyrants fluff wise should be the most flexible army in the game. Crunch they out adapted my marines.

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>>52907347

>>52908387
not really and no

>>52908205
what >>52908361

said.

Americans are prudes because the large majority of white folks (or at least, the important white folks, who drove American culture for the past two hundred years because they were part of High Society) are descended from God-fearing quakers, protestants, etc.

Being nude, doing a sex, dancing, fun = HERESY

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>>52908361
I remember reading somewhere that the attitudes of Victorian British were that Americans were stuck up prudes. When a Victorian tells you you're a prude, you just might be.

I think one Russian empress or something had a masquerade dress with her tits out.

And there's medieval pilgrim badges with... familiar themes.

>>52908249
But that's wrong you fucking retard, Orks are genetically engineered super-beings created to be the ultimate foot soldiers/shock troopers.

>>52908303
I think I once traded some bods with you. Are you the one I traded a stormlord vulcan mega bolter for 10 guardsmen?

>>52908405
>sex went from sacred to sinful

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>>52908332
Ever heard of don't put your dick in crazy? Well, with her its "Don't put your dick in a crazy that happens to be the tree-mecha-lady that is a manifestation of pure spite and bipolar madness who happens to have super killer bees living in all of her holes".

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>>52908399

>>52908414
>hyperevolved
evolved by the old ones
>alien
not human
>superpredators
Well they are really good at preying on stuff

You see where I'm coming from?

>>52908414
But that's wrong, Ork evolved naturally from the Krork, who may or may not have been intended necessarily as shock troopers, but more likely were designed around their gestalt psychic abilities (as opposed to the Eldar, who exemplified individual psychic ability).

>>52908185
Slaanesh isn't going anywhere, they just want to build up a big release for Her to update the miniature line and make Her look super relevant both to the Eldar in 40k and in the events of AoS

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>>52908393
Is washed. You should see what the color started as.

Also front guys helmet aquilla is staring at me with it's slight overlap of gold. I will have to
A) go through dozens of Guardsmen at every angle to find him and touch it up
B) kill myself out of shame

B sounds easier right now.

>>52908296
>>52908344
>No nipples
>Why?

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>>52908399
>>52908428
Here is the template

>>52908414
Orks were engineered as a rapidly reproducing and psychically powerful race but they are defective.
>>52908442
The orks are just korks, they haven't changed since they were mad.

>>52908308
Nothing because one fuck doesn't deserve his own page. You want to make one for all of our "special eds" go ahead but be brutal about how shitty all their paints are and how cancerous it is to even have them post.

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>>52908470
Here is the original

>>52908303
Why don't you and raptors faggot commit to a suicide pact so we don't have to deal with you at all?

>>52908465
Why would Tree creatures have nipples? They don't nurse their young.

>Galactic threats of Orks, Tyranids, and Necrons sidelined in exchange for Chaos taking the spotlight
>(Even though nobody actually cares about Chaos because it's just spikier Space Marines, but I guess that sells models)
>Daemons become even less loved as they're now basically subservient to the traitor legions
>Tau barely remembered to even exist
>Eldar splintering into countless more subfactions of craft-harl-dark-troup-biel-sorc-lequins that nobody likes
>Dark Eldar seemingly forgotten about
>Guard potentially experiencing a renaissance
>One or more new Imperium faction joining the scraphead of existing Imperium factions like skitaari/admech/sisters of silence

It's a bad time to be a xenos

>>52908472
>The orks are just korks, they haven't changed since they were mad.

According to the Beast series, the Orks were evolving to their previous state under the Beast.

>>52908483
Hey let's not be toxic here. This is a place anyone can join in.

Tell them to take GayGuardAnon off the cliff with them.

>>52908426
>just described most human women.

>>52908487
>not feeding your saplings with mother's tree sap straight from the sack

0/10, would not even heat my house with.

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>>52908494
>evolving to their previous state
Que

>>52908493
>It's a bad time to be an NPC

FTFY

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>>52908465
>>52908487

>>52907943
The god emperor hears all your prayers

>>52908515
Evolution isn't about getting better over time, it's about being good enough to survive. It's why NZ birds gave up the ability to fly as they didn't need with no predatory ground mammals.

>>52907347
>>52908428
>>52908521

Same anon?
Loving the art style.
Very 'MSpaint meets photoshop meets coffee/jizz' cocktail.

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>>52908538
No this is my first edit other than the IW and anime shitty mashups

>>52908529
Can he give me an edition of 40k that isn't being dumbed down for little timmies who want to bang Space Marines together?

>>52908495
But anon if I do that who will pleasure your mom with plastic models?

>>52908472
>>52908442
>>52908431
The fact of the matter remains that the Orks were created, they did not evolve like the Tyranids.

>>52908560
So were apes, and they still 'evolved' into humans

>>52908515
Not knowing evolution 101.

For fuck sake there is a race of sheeps that when they panic they freeze up. Why? Faulty genes how they survive? Humans!

Evolution has no point, but it does it is survival. Meaning that things like retarded freezing sheeps works it is good enough for good old High Evolutionary.

>>52908426
Are you trying to describe women? Or making me want her more?

>>52908560
We don't know they naturally evolved, we just know they aren't from around here. It's not like anyone has carried on a conversation with a hive tyrant to learn their origins.

>>52908560
What makes you think Nids are not created? A space travel capable organism. Sounds like engineered shit. At least the part about fucking living space ships.

>>52908528
Because deep down we secretly all want to fuck hot tree/alien/cat/otherrace girls?

>>52908560
How do we know Tyranids evolved?

They're extragalactic. Who knows where they came from. Maybe Andromeda's version of the Old Ones made them. Maybe they're weapons of the Old Ones who left the Galaxy after the War in Heaven. Maybe they were an advanced species who genetically modified themselves but in the process were consumed by their own hunger, similar to the Necrons biotransference. Maybe they are daemons who spilled into realspace from a portion of the warp a galaxy over, where that galaxy's history has shaped the local immaterium in unique and different ways.

>>52908560
pretty sure all the races were created except the nids and maybe the tau.
Humans still evolved into abhumans and are evolving to be more psychic.

>>52908148
I feel like fluff-wise those shots would probably still have to all hit the exact same spot to potentially even just dent the platings it has.

>>52908554
This

>>52908178
The 12 inches of steel bullshit?

So this edition seems to be pretty dumbed down but /tg/ how could we "improve" on 7th to make it even more complicated and bloated?

>>52908578
>>52908588
The entire point of Tyranids is that they have no point. They're alien super predators coming to CONSUME.

I realize that there were one or two references to them MAYBE being engineered, but fuck those references, tyranids being intergalactic apex predators is 1000% cooler.

Not to mention, Orks already have the genetically-engineered-organism-made-to-stop-a-big-bad niche covered.

Just my personal opinion.

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>>52908567
Didn't they bred those sheep to do that, so they'd be easier to handle?

It's always amusing to hear creationists using the banana as an example of God, when the banana we buy in shops were engineered to be like that and natural bananas are very different.

>>52908405
The Catholic Church sure fuck up bad.

We could have tit demons and orgies at our schools during lunch break like the Gods wanted, but nooo the money hungry church twisted a good wine and whore religion into this lame mess.

Hell Walker and wine converting prophet sounds rad as hell.

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Ok anon but what about Flyers?
Will they still be only be able to hit on a 6+ or what? Back to 5th Ed rules?

>>52908493
>Galactic threat of Necrons

Fuck you, we're just taking back what's ours. Just piss off of our planets, space ape.

>>52908584
God it looks fucking retarded why so many spikes?

>>52908619
Orks and Nids are both shit tier npc armies

>>52908554
>>52908617
Bloat != Depth

Almost everything we've heard so far has been changes for the better.

which models get shitload of purity seals?

>>52908629
Now I'm imagining Necrons as the underground people in Planet of the Apes. Tis a weird feel.

>>52908617
>>52908554
>bloated shit rules equals depth
Why are Canadians so mentally retarded?

>>52908607
You know that lasers don't dent anything right? They deal damage by burning through. So all those shots are heating up the plates and eventually melting holes in them and down into the tender insides...

>>52908599
>Maybe Andromeda's version of the Old Ones made them. Maybe they're weapons of the Old Ones who left the Galaxy after the War in Heaven. Maybe they were an advanced species who genetically modified themselves but in the process were consumed by their own hunger, similar to the Necrons biotransference. Maybe they are daemons who spilled into realspace from a portion of the warp a galaxy over, where that galaxy's history has shaped the local immaterium in unique and different ways.

>maybe they're notOrks
>maybe they're notNecrons
>maybe they're notDaemons

Literally why though?

The point I'm trying to make is that it would kinda be super lame for GW to make that canon. Those stories are already covered by existing races.

Alien predators with no history, who only exist because they're an extreme example of survival-of-the-fittest, is something that exists nowhere else in the lore.

>>52908633
I disagree, and also you're a fuck.

>>52908635
Your mom's greasy puss

>>52908624
Not really engineered.
Random crossing till we got something we wanted.

Engineered would be something like glow in the dark fish using jellyfish stuff to mix it with fishy stuff in order to get a cool looking fish for aquarium. You can get them for like $10 or less

No way in hell with selective breeding you would get glow in the dark fish, with engineering you can

>>52908646
>Necron Overlord wakes up from his long nap
>takes a step onto his balcony atop his Monolith
>looks out in the distance
>what the f-
>a gigantic golden statue to the EMPRAH lies on the horizon
>OH MY GOD
>Overlord falls to his knees
>THEY BLEW IT UP!

>>52908633
The only good points I've seen so far is bringing the Movement stat back and bringing in AoS's keyword system. Everything else I'm either ambivalent over or strongly dislike.

>>52908649
They'll still gradually melt through and probably leave a dent where part of the armor melted away.

Currently looking for good fluff on why a Hereticus Inquisitor would be a psyker, and why the Sisters would willingly and consistently work with him. I want to drop Divination into my Soriritas list, but I don't want to just have him be there with no reason.

>>52908650
And MY point is just that saying they evolved is as silly as all those other options, because we have no clue whatsoever. The Galaxy we do know about contains a metric fuckton of artificially modified species, there's no particular reason to assume Tyranids just naturally evolved from some space ants over any other theory.

My personal head canon is that Tyranids represent the pinnacle of natural convergent evolution, and have appeared numerous unrelated times throughout the universe. But I acknowledge that it's head canon.

>>52908666
>The Planet of the Mon-keigh

>>52908515
take tapeworms, they are pretty simple, aren't they? Can you believe they were pretty complex before they "learned" that they can snuggle into your body and take nourishment from there? If suddenly for some reason, their environment changed(they'd die out, but let's pretend they aren't super-specialized), they'd change too, probably to something more complex.

Anon fucked their wording tho a lot. You fucking can't "devolve" or "evolve to previous state" or something like that.

>>52908673
I was thinking the right words would be pit, or divot. Dent implies you can hammer or plunger it out.

>>52908666
A+

>>52908515
Less effort required for a good life = superior evolution

It can be "worse" by being smaller or simpler but that also means the body is more compact.

>>52908656
>engineering
>a : the application of science and mathematics by which the properties of matter and the sources of energy in nature are made useful to people
>b: calculated manipulation or direction

I don't think "social engineering" is done in a lab. Selective breeding of select specimen to achieve wanted results is a form of genetic engineering.

>>52908682
My headcannon is after the Emperor kicked all the insects off Holy Terra they got flung into a warp storm and mutated by it's energy. But because of the Hive Mind they were able to escape and ended up outside the Milky Way. With one goal. To conquer the Earth and reclaim their delicious honey.

>>52908692
>Ork Diplomats.

>>52908718
you know you can't apply evolution to that anon. That's the Beast series being retarded. Go fanwank something.

>>52907457
>i didnt get into the screen cap
i even asked sempai ;_;

>>52908713
>Nids were the result of a social experiment gone wrong
It's just a prank bro.

>>52908654
>i unironically like the psychic phase because it's overly complicated, boring, and broken
ok

>>52908680

They could be using themselves as a subject for their own research.

>>52908713
Concept aside the point is.

You can't crossbreed a fish with another fish till you get a glow in the dark fish with jellyfish genes.
That is what I meant with engineered, maybe manipulated? Pardon me but making glow in the dark animals is not my speciality.

Specially when we are using modern science to explain space magic techno science bullshit from thousand years into the future

>>52908754
Says who? I can breed all the fish I want anon.

>>52908648
How did you spot the leaf?

>>52908705
>Less effort required for a good life = superior evolution

I'd say "better at mating = superior evolution." It doesn't matter if a shrimp evolves to be able to do nuclear physics, it it's gonna get eaten just as well as other shrimp and has equally good chances of mating and passing on its genes.

>>52908744
I always found odd tha the Psyker phase was just that and not something like the special phase, for IG orders, powers, waaagh and other shit like that

We ought to institute a new social expectation.

If you're going to complain about 8th - not if you're talking about a specific aspect necessarily, but if voicing dissatisfaction with the whole - you should be expected to post your army and what edition you started in.

>>52908768
>Nuclear shrimp
I think you just found GW's new faction anon.

>>52908680
Hereticus only don't like non-imperially-authorised psykers and psychic inquisitors get to peer into peoples minds to make sure their as pro emperor as they should be

>>52908765
But you can't make it glow in the dark by just crossing breeding gold fishes.

That is the entire point.

>>52908744
>I unironically like the psychic phase because it's introduction was somehow a marginal buff to thousand sons.

But in any case:
7th = Bloat.
5th = 'Deep'.
And I know diehards who would happily go even further back than that.

8th is an unnecessary rewrite because they decided to get carried away adding overwatch and hull points and all manner of awful crap.

>>52908726
Actually, as the Orks continued to evolve back into being Korks, new Ork castes started appearing. Diplomats, Priests, etc.

>>52908783
I don't really like how the vehicle rules are so far but everything else is fine. And I'm GGA so everyone's seen my shit already. I believe I got in right in the middle of 6th Edition so I'm used to explosion rules and all of that. Honestly I like having it slightly more complicated then AoS.

>>52908627
Apparently it will vary on a case by case basis.

>>52908784
>new

You know very well they'll be the power behind 'Nids.

>>52908783
If the same goes for those defending it, sure.
Fuck why not throw age in there just to see how many righteous fans of the cause can't yet legally drink.

>>52908789
But what if ingest a lava lamp and glowsticks and stick my dick in the fish?
Checkmate anon.

>>52908754
Other anon's point was that controlled breeding is as much "genetic engineering" as using CRISPR to chop up DNA is. Direct germline manipulation is not the only form of genetic manipulation.

>>52908765
well, but you want kids from that stuff, don't you?

>>52908794
>5th edition was deep
Tell that to 5th edition psychic powers and fliers lmao

>>52908812
>The Hivemind is actually just super intelligent shrimp
I can get behind this lore.

>>52908783
>orks, tyranids, chaos
>4th
fite me, i like old ws and av

>>52908680
>why a Hereticus Inquisitor would be a psyker, and why the Sisters would willingly and consistently work with him
your don't need anything special.
just say he's a psyker and you're done.
being a psyker isn't heresy.

>>52908821
Yeah GLOWING KIDS. Welcome to the cyber future anon.

>>52908185
They've already said everything that has a model now will still be playable in the new edition.

Slaanesh isn't going anywhere.

>>52908826
What are these fliers you speak of?
Sounds like bloated bullshit.

>>52908798
good anon!
you can't evolve back and my inner autists gets so fucking pissed, but i guess you mean it in strict sf sense, right?
Also, one question. If Orkz "evolved" into Krorkz slowly, why they got more intelligent? Weren't they 'killy race that kills' from the start?

>>52908834
>orks
>tyranids
Opinion discarded

>>52908845
species barrier

>>52908820
amen

>"i play orks/nids"
*breaks your neck*
shit taste people are not allowed to live.

>>52908819
>4chan

>>52908820
Point noted, carry on.

>>52908837
Indeed, you can even be ashame of being a Psyker in a lame attempt to get "punished" by Celestine. Sorry Greyfax, Celestine only likes you as a friend

>>52908768
Superior mating capabilities don't really have much impact on evolution. It's mostly a case of "if it works, it works". First and foremost is actually surviving long enough to procreate reliably and having a body whose defense mechanisms are sufficient for your environment and needs as little resources as possible is optimal. No need for armor plating or being 10 feet tall when being 6 feet tall and having squishy skin is enough to keep you alive against a majority of predators while needing a fraction of the energy.

>>52908849
I guess the reason is the more Orks their are the more powerful and intelligent they are.

The biggest WAAGH of all time had them develop higher learning and produce primarch level Orks, I imagine if all the Orks grouped together in one place they would all turn in to hyper intelligent, green super sayans.

>>52908851
Because Tau and Eldar are gonna have more weight?
Sounds like you're a fucking retard.

Oh, Sorry.
Ksons, IG - 5th ed
Templates, AV, initiative and WS are all my friends.

>>52908849
I am using the terms in the novel. The Magos examining the Ork genetics and social structure says it.

The Krorks are more intelligent, powerful, and civilised than the regular Orks by miles.

>People thinking 6th and 7th were good
Holy shit, what the fuck is wrong with you people?


The new vehicle rules will be fine if certain vehicles get bonuses to their armour save if shot at from the front.better than the "MC can take upwards of 10 melta shots but a vehicle can only take one" of the current edition.

The psychic phase is just a ton of random bullshit hoping to roll invisibility. Buying powers was a lot better.

t. IG and CSM player since 4th

>>52908875
At least they are not playing Chaos Space Marine.

>>52908887
i like that

>>52908903
*breaks your neck again*
Stfu, Nidfaggot.

>>52908631
You ever seen an insect under a magnifying glass?

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>>52906034
You mean the Red Hunters, who are the =][='s personal chapter.

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Why don't they restock dkok grens

>>52908896
I'm here to tell you that you're wrong about templates.

Flamer templates vaguely add some tactics to positioning, but blast templates are shit. All they do is slow the game down and foster arguments. They're a very poor way to accomplish the task. Doing 2D6 hits with a chance of missing, or D6 hits to each unit within 6" of a point would be much faster and accomplish the same thing.

>>52908902
Since 4th? You need to be 18 to post here you know.
Shitposting aside

3rd was the best edition, mostly because the other editions are bad.
That said GW can't improve things, they just Change random shit, fixing something, making things worst and/or creating new problems because they can't into proper rules.
They need the old guard back just for rules sake.

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>>52908631

>>52908922
Fucking love these assholes

>>52908919
Chaosfags please die, no one likes Chaos Marines past their teens.

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>>52908937

>>52908879
>be faster than the rest
>survive
>get to mate
>be sneaker than the rest
>survive
>get to mate
>be tougher than the rest
>survive
>get to mate
>be smarter than the rest
>survive
>get to mate

Evolutionary trait that does not improve your odds of getting to mate will not result in your genes passing on. Traits that do, make your offsprings more likely to also mate and pass their genes, etc.

I mean, if you have a shrimp that evolves a harpoon dick that impregnates the female, but kills the male, and ones with harpoon dicks are more likely to pass on their genes than ones that have to do it the old fashioned way, which types of shrimp do you think we'd be seeing? You'd have to be pretty fast, smart and tough to beat a guy with a harpoon dick that can impregnate your wife from 100 yards away.

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>>52908807
>>52908783
I am most dissatisfied with the loss of armor facings and blasts. If we used toughness or armor saves to differentiate different sides I'd be fine.

We're not entirely sure we're losing blasts yet, but if we do that's really going to ruin the fun of the death strike missile.

>>52908945
>labeling me as Chaosfag
No. I swear my loyalty to civilized Xenos such as Aeldari, Tau and Necrons.

We will make 40k great again.

>>52907816

Xenos Empires©™®

>>52908896
All xenos opinions are by default discarded. Sorry kiddo, pick a better non-NPC army next time

>>52908968
>implying it's not the fucking Xenos armybook

>>52908932
I started with 4th when I was 17. Nice try though.

Regardless, I do agree with you that the random bullshit in the most recent editions needs to go and stay go. Warlord traits, psychic powers, charge distance, etc. made the game infinitely worse.
Also formations giving everyone tons of stupid free shit was a mistake.

I think 8th will be better than 6th and 7th for sure but I doubt we'll get an edition as good as it used to be.

>>52908956
I had forgotten about snail sex and their harpoon dicks to see who gets to be the girl.

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>>52908896
AV is a pile of shit and I'm happy it's dead.

>>52908962
>mfw the deathstrike will only hit one unit and do 3d6 hits and hits on a 4+

God I hope not, losing templates on smaller blasts sucks but it's not as big a deal as it is on apocalyptic blasts where the whole appeal was to hit a bunch of units.

>>52908956
You missed
>Be luckier than the rest
>Get to mate
>pass genes on.

Also, animals develop (or just never loose) useless shit all the time. That's where vestigial organs come from: bits and pieces of ancestors that had no evolutionary pressure to go away.

>>52908956
That's what I was saying anyway. You primarily need to survive. Competing with rivals is the next step, since you first need to make it that far in the first place.

>>52908927
You realize as soon as you say 'within 6" of a point", you're just bringing blast markers back in, but making them even slower and more contentious.

>>52908985
3rd was the last edition when everyone got an update to the current edition.

Since then GW it has been random changes with no global focus.

>>52908968
>Xenos Empires
>forced to collect Tau and Necron codices
fucking why
I already collect eldar shit

reeeeeeeee

>>52908927
>accomplish the same thing
>can't hit multiple units anymore.
>is only an all or nothing hit against one unit

Yea sure, exactly the same. I'm sorry your group is autistic and argued over easily discernible hits.

>>52908789
well you could. it would almost certainly take an unfeasibly large number of generations though.

>>52909015
How is it slower or more contentious to pick a spot and say 'every unit within 6" takes D6 hits'? How many units are that close together for it to take any time at all? It's no more contentious than any other time you measure range.

>>52909030
Work on your reading comprehension there lad, wew

>>52909015
Blast templates were never the problem, it was fucking Scatter that made it suck. A circle is easy to work with. Scattering it in the right direction the right distance was the issue.

>>52908999
Armies and age please.

>>52909046
He's right though. I've never had an argument over blast markers.
It's gotta take a certain kind of autistic waacfag to throw a shitfit over that... And are those the people we want in the hobby now?

>>52909034
You know measuring for every unit within x" was literally the point of templates, right? Now instead of an easy clear circle you've got someone trying to hold a tape measure steady in the same spot while two autists argue about whether or not a unit's base is under the tape measurer.

>>52909034
We'll, really if you hit in between two units 12" apart you suddenly need to figure out if you hit both units or one or the other. In cases like that a circular cutout would be very convenient.

>>52909049
Yes but scattering back on yourself was half the fun.
Even dudes getting scattered onto tend to regard it with some kind of morbid glee.

>>52909075
Unit != Model

>>52909089
Tanks & Infantry fielded together can really quickly cause that exact dispute but hey.

>>52909056
>I want to use an Ad Hominem attack instead of addressing the issue because MUH ELITISM

Fuck off. AV sucks.

>>52909089
You know what I meant. But fine "the base of the model on the edge of the unit"

>>52909086
>Even dudes getting scattered onto tend to regard it with some kind of morbid glee.

Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen someone not burst out laughing when they blow themselves up with an awful scatter.

>>52909105
I think that tells us all we need to know.
Thank you. Opinion discarded.

>>52909109
>But fine "the base of the model on the edge of the unit"

In other words, exactly the same as any other time you measure anything in the game.

>>52909112
Maybe we just play with awesome people.
Maybe these other anons have never known true gamegroup love.

>>52909056
Not him but 25, marines and 3rd and hes right

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>>52909090
So can we assess the damage ti the galaxy.

>>52909120
>Including blasts
>Including scatter

Okay.

>>52909012
Sure, but they're all driven to make that P in V action. For evolution to happen, you need that P in V. Any adaptation that makes it more likely to happen, is also more likely to get passed on.

Not all traits make you better at surviving. Peacock males are quite shitty at getting away from predators or hiding, but they manage to survive and pass on their genes despite their stupid tails. Partly because of it, because they can go "Look at this stupid thing, baby, all this and I'm still alive, that means I'm hard as fuck and will give you a good fuck and a nest full of eggs. So how about it?"

>>52909120
except now without a convenient template to easily and quickly measure.

>>52909133
Personally my group has never argued over it. And really I've never seen more than a few people on /tg/ have any issue with templates. Now all of the sudden they're everywhere.

>>52909139
BLACKED LEGION/10

>>52909112
It was pretty funny seeing someones vindicator scatter backwards and perfectly remove 1/2 of a tactical squad and nothing else

>>52909112
My chaos bro used to love doing trick shots with his Havok Launchers. He'd intentionally also fire them at a vehicle he couldn't damage to try to scatter it off into infantry hiding near it. Worked ALOT

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>>52909139
Its a pity theres no consolidated amp of 40k

>>52909139
FENRIS NOOOO

>>52909161
Honestly, I liked templates alot too but I'm not going to start pissing until I see what GW is doing with this "no templates" shit... which might as well happen today.
Hope everyone can just shut the fuck up for like 5 seconds until they announce shit.

XD6 wounds > templates
Movement values > everyone moves 6"
Unified wounds/toughness > AV

>>52909113
>I speak for everybody

Please remove your head from your bunghole.

>>52909182
AoS > Everything else.

>>52909171
Its below warp rift.

>>52909139
Wait why is the maelstrom the one spinning out of control?

>>52909167
Those ork empires seem way too big.

>>52909182
I agree with all of these.
I'm the most hesitant with the last one but I'm a dreadnought fan and this change will maybe make them fucking playable.

>>52909137
>marines

All sue opinions are by default discarded. Sorry kiddo, better pick a non-spiritual liege army next time

Hey this is pretty fun.

>>52909211
Always thought of them as more ork raiding zones than full on empires

>>52909182
>XD
kys

>>52909204
It's not. The Maelstorm is being cucked by a much bigger new warp storm at the center of the galaxy.

>>52908999
I am to. Long may it fester and rot.

35, CSM, Blood Angels, Eldar, Grey Knights

>>52909214
T7 < AV12

'playable'.
Enjoy those lasguns

>>52909194
AoS >>>>>>>> WHFB :^)

>>52909214
Yeah...
Everyone's been crying about how 40k will become AoS and stuff and started flaming becase reeee changes but honestly it looks really good so far, to me at least.
Maybe 40k will become AoS but fucking good

I'm glad the WS chart is gone. The fact that BS could go up to a 2+/2+ and the best you could do in melee was a 3+ versus a 5+ is retarded.

>>52909182
Movements values are awesome.

The rest I have my doubts. Removing facing for big shit like vehicles and MC removes a level of depth replacing it with nothing.

Templates are fun mechanic, and if people had a problem with them. Might be autistic or mentally retarded

>>52909258
Which is easier to stop, someone whacking you with something or someone shooting?

>>52909242
Who is this idiot Guard player who keeps firing at Dreadnoughts, Land Raiders and Titans with his lasgun blob, instead of say infantry?

>>52909242
Better than getting one cucked by an autocannon.

>>52909242
142 lasguns within 12" or something to kill a dred, sure, I'll take it

>>52907802
This, I pretty much couldn't give a flying shit about a conflict between teenage male wish fulfilment ubermensch fighting cartoonishly evil versions of themselves who're obviously destined to lose.

>>52909137
24, fourth and he is not

>>52909258
It was a stupid rule change in the first place.
They should've kept WS/WS working like Str/Tou as normal.

>>52907941
The outer most part of the image looks like letters attached to each sqaure, the two in the picture look like Ms, so it's almost certainly the 8th Edition rulebook since the rest of the letter for Warhammer would fit starting with the top couple of spaces