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Pathfinder General /pfg/

Ignore what Paizo/PoW/SoM tells you martials should be like. What do you REALLY want them to do... in combat? Out of combat? At low/mid/high levels?

Unified /pfg/ link repository: http://pastebin.com/hAfKSnWW

Current Playtests: https://pastebin.com/quSzkadj

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I can't think of anything fun for Overlewd! Feed me stupid ideas, that I may grow stronger!
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>>52796813
Post tough spear girls!
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>>52796780
I want their actions in combat to be varied. No full attack/charge spam. Initiators at least change it up every other strike, if even that repetitive.

out of combat I want them to have more in built ways to solve puzzle encounters.

And you've used that picture too often it's too common.
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>>52796813
I don't want a competitor.

>>52796780
I want them to go full anime, unironically.
out of combat they should probably just get a bunch of extra skillpoints compared to casters, which even makes sense because casters, esp. Wizards and their ilk who study for spells and possibly Clerics / Druids who probably have to spend loads of time writing bibles and doing rituals and shit to keep their God giving them miracles, have to spend a lot more time on their shit than martials.
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>>52796813
more from that set.
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>>52796861
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ONE HOUR REMAINS TO POST A CHARACTER IN BLINGMAKER!

DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE A COMPLETED CHARACTER, JUST A [CHARACTER PENDING!]
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>>52796873
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Asked in last thread but I was enjoying the responses I was getting, so I figured I'd ask again.

What sort of level 1 build would you recommend for a blank slate character? Since I usually end up pre-planning my entire build/character path I'd like to do the opposite for once. I just don't really know where to start with it.
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How do you feel about cuteposting?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12785288
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>>52796813
>>52796861
>>52796873
>>52796894

How do I unarmored polearm girl in Pathfinder?!
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>>52796912
Devoted muse PRC
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Speaking of plant fucking, are all alruane's evil?
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>>52796813
Let's see what I can suggest from your picture alone...
>Follower of a war god from a foreign land
>Yakuza themed intimidation debuffer
>Disenfranchised noble girl
>Dark take on a wuxia heroine fighting a corrupt government
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>>52796831
haha time for rank E luck.

>>52796912
PoW+SoP

Initiator+polearm dancer (PoW feat)+prescient dodger (SoP rogue talent)
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>>52796780
I want a system with active defense, for AC to mean something, for different strategies like Mordhau and Phalanxes, for simple weapons to be able to increase in use with higher proficiencies (so that Crossbows and spears can be useful), for better customizable proficiency kits to exist, and for martial to be able to do crazy stuff on the fly like climb on giant enemies, throw swords to cut bridges, using whip swings, and jumping on your enemies shields.
Also I want shield to be able to provide active defense options, for tower shields to be able to bash and stuff, and at high levels (past 6 or so) to be able to slowly rape the laws of physics by cutting down enemies with air pressure, getting super reflexes, and other animu bullshit
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>>52796831
How about bully-able spear girls?
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>>52796944
But I played a cute girl last time.
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>>52796911
Cuteposting is fine!

Fine!

As long as it is about the/a game!
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>>52796960
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>>52796966
>Take one of those ideas
>Make it a male
Done.
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>>52796912
UC Monk with Tiger Fork
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Does it make sense to carry a bow and a polearm around?
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>>52796997
>Yakuza thug girl (male)

It's perfect
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>>52796945
Balsa's not the luckiest, but she's far from E rank.
>>52796960
No. Tough spear girls only.
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>>52796991
Who is this girl?
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>>52797024
I wanted to bully her though.

>>52797036
No idea, just same artist as >>52796894
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>>52796945
Hmm, what Initiator would be best for a fluid, high damage combat style with a two-handed weapon?
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>>52797079
Anyone of you fine anons have dark skinned girl with a spear or polearm? I needs it, and seeing as y'all are posting lancer girls I was hoping you'd have some.

If she looks partially reptilian, that's fine too
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Dead thread.

Where is everybody?
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>>52797189
Warlord
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>>52797189
Bushi Warlord with Riven Hourglass for dex based

Bushi Brutal Slayer with Riven for str based
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>>52797192
Sleeping, It's night time in Burgerland
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>>52797079
Did not mean to quote you in>>52797191
Phoneposting is a pain
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>>52797192
Jizzing in your mom
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blingmaker.mov
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>>52796929
I sort of like it. What would you call an ideal entry into it though?
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>>52797281
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQrdKtPJxI0

Blingmakers, which Nation of Golarion will you buy first?
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So i'm joining a new campaign with a notoriously edgy DM and I rolled up this abomination:
Kitsune Inquisitor using an oversized katana and a "sniper rifle", trenchcoat, the works.
Plan is to go vital strike line to maximize the deficiency in iteratives, accuracy problems, and low damage modifiers.
Now statwise, this slams me with dependence on basically every stat. Obviously a bit of a problem. Any way to make this even slightly, remotely playable?
For what it's worth, this is a deliberately underoptimized party and 3pp is banned.
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>>52797379
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>>52797377
Swashbuckler or the new swashbuckler-ish-pally
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>>52797403
>swashbuckler-ish-pally

???
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>>52797388

>Inquisitor
>Not a Slayer (Sniper)

Cum on stepp it yuropppp
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>>52797412
It's mediocre, yet still better than Swashbuckler: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/paladin/archetypes/paizo-paladin-archetypes/virtuous-bravo-paladin-archetype/
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>>52797422
eh

looks pretty fun
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>>52797379

Funny you should ask this, because the buying power of the Bling Team is heavily limited by geographic location!

What would the Bling Team buy? To the West are the River Kingdoms, known throughout Golarion as a land where they COULD buy the whole thing, but in a decade it will all come TUMBLING DOWN.

They could buy North, into Numeria or Brevoy, but can you really see Brevoy getting bought by the explorers legally-bound to them, or the land of techno-barbarians and a half-retarded king caring for their shinies?

The East is even worse, how or why would you buy Iobaria? The coins would probably come back with some disease that turns you into pulp and jelly.

The South... Is much like the West.
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>>52797414
I like bane and judgements more than I like sneak attack, really. Mostly because in my experience with this DM he does everything possible in his power to deny sneak attacks, even when they should otherwise apply.
The domain powers are also kinda neat, even if i'm probably forced into going black powder inquisition.
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>>52797437
Losing mercies entirely is bullshit, IMO, but it can still be workable.
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>>52797422
How would you even roleplay as a swashbuckler paladin?

I don't understand
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>>52797470

My sword is a sword of justice, hear it sing the sweet keening song of liberation as it cuts through the air?
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>>52797470
>Lawful Good can't be dandy and stylish

Look at this fag
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>>52797470
You roleplay as a Paladin.

Optionally, you roleplay as a Paladin Swashbuckler.
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>>52797489
>he's serious
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>>52797403
What about the swashbucklerish cavalier?

Or a Magus with the Eldritch Scion and Staff Magus archetypes who's taken Flamboyant Arcana and the entire Spear Dancing Style feat chain?
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Dragons 2 greentext when?
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>>52797470
One of the Three Musketeers? Zorro? Basically someone who is daring, dashing, and follows a strong code of Chivalry and Honor, who just so happens to be an expert at the noble and refined art of Dueling and Fencing, who uses his skills to protect the weak and pierce the hearts of the wicked.

Basically a Rennaisance Hero
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>>52797512
>Touch Fluffy Tail
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>>52797459
What if they dug a tunnel to more productive lands?
Or created some kind of portal gateway!
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>>52797512
Isn't it under a greentext embargo currently?
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>>52797497
Eldritch Scion is basically nonfunctional, as it can't metamagic its spells

Swashbuckly Cavalier is ok, but the Paladin is probably just straight better.
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>>52797497
>that build
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>>52797531
Eldritch Scion is non-functional for a lot more reasons than just inability to metamagic with spells
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>>52797512
All things in the world are mine to possess and that includes this ridiculously lewd greentext!
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http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/elemental/elemental-aether/aether-elemental-small

This is a permanently invisible, flying monster that can attack at range from 480 feet. This is CR 1. How is a low-level party supposed to act against such a thing?
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>>52797523

Anon, what if... They discover a stable portal to the Plane of Gold, or at least a portal to the Plane of Earth that connected to a vein of gold the size of Mexico?
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>>52797565
Gil plz, your are dead, and no king rules forever
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>>52797530
That's RotJR. But Dragon games might *also* be holding to the embargo since SwimmingEagle is running them and part of RotJR.

And, much like RotJR, the first group was getting shit on while the second group was attracting shitposters.
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>>52797591
The economy is FUCKED, but their Gilded powers go into overdrive and allow them to punch Gods of Evil to death and save the realm.
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Males [ ]
$ Romulus Nohrm (27 years): 6' 6", 210 lbs || 198 cm, 95.3 kg
$ Allanz Gremund (18 years): 5' 11", ??? || 180 cm, ???
$ Sinh (???): ???
$ † Lucius Nacht (18 years): 6' 3", 200 lbs || 190.5 cm, 90.7 kg
$ Dr. Linus Lux (???): ???
$ ‡ Fahd Lutfi (26 years): 4' 7", 97 lbs || 139.7 cm. 44 kg
$ ※ Raine: ...
$ "King" Angelo Sette (???): ???
$ Alkurith Rekanthor (38 years): 4' 8", 54 lbs || 144.2 cm, 24.5 kg
$ Serax (???): ???

† Six foot three as a freshman and weighing in at a /fit/ 200 pounds? Is this Chad Thundercock's bigger cousin?
‡ The shortest girl is half a foot taller than him, and the shortest girl with an actual body is almost a full foot taller.
※ I dunno if you realized mate but your character sheet is an F-list...

Females [ ]
$ Emilia Ivanov (20 years): 5' 6", 135 lbs || 167.6 cm, 61 kg
$ Yamelia (???): ???
$ Salacia Mithlaeth (RIP): 5' 8", 160 lbs || 172.3 cm, 72.6 kg
$ Chiundra (315 years): 5' 6", 145 lbs || 167.6 cm, 65.8 kg
$ † Ecaterina (29 days): 7' 3" / 5' 4", 0 lbs || 221.0 cm / 162.6 cm, 0 kg
$ Cijiska (???): ???
$ Umbranae (???): 7' 2.5", ∞ lbs || 220 cm, ∞ kg
$ Ingrid Proteah (31 years): 5'9"
$ Kanna (∞): ???
$ ‡ Konja K. Snusel (17 years): ???
$ Olivia Favillina (23 years): 5' 5", 115 lbs || 165.1 cm, 52.2 kg
$ Helvetica (28 years): 5', 0 lbs || 152.4 cm, 0 kg
$ Kenna Gunnhildr (19 years): 5' 6", 130 lbs || 167.6 cm, 59.0 kg
$ Aeshma (23 years): 5' 11", 125 lbs || 177.8 cm , 56.7 kg
$ Calesedria (???): ???
$ Rhyisjir the Burned (Pending): Pending

† She's the size of a petite hill giant, is this even Medium?
‡ probably damn fucking heavy

Tallest
Ecaterina (221 cm)
Umbrane (220 cm)
Romulus (198 cm)
Lucius (190.5 cm)

Heaviest
Umbrane (∞)
Konja (~∞)
Romulus (95.3 kg)
Lucius (90.7 kg)

Lightest
Helvetica (0)
Ecaterina (0)
Alkurith (24.5 kg)
Fahd (44 kg)

Shortest
Fahd (139.7 cm)
Alkurith (144.2 cm)
Helvetica (152.4 cm)
Olivia (165.1 cm)

Oldest
Chiundra (315 years)

Youngest
Ecaterina (29 days)
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>>52797591
They'd have to keep its existence a secret and only use it sparingly, lest the whole global economy crashes
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>>52797565
https://pastebin.com/zUGVAmbf
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>>52797530
>>52797608
If they're going to have such stupidly lewd greentext like that then the least they can do is put it to good use!
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>>52797591

Friendly reminder that all we know about the changes to Blingmaker are thus,

>Surtova sent a team to the Stolen Lands to investigate a gold-colored mushroom cloud rising around the Stag Lord's Fort
>The team had found what made the explosion, but aren't responding
>Party is supposed to get "Gilded" within two sessions, which for Kingmaker is a series of events everyone knows about by now
>DM says again and again that the party is going to get absurdly, stupidly enormous wealthy

What does it MEAN? Are we going to make Tales of an Industrious Rogue a reality once more, only with gold and silver instead of salt and souls?
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>>52797627
You don't understand. They can just designate it, and then Power Up, allowing them to punch the Worldwound apart and rape Deskari to death with their Goldcocks.
And that's Day One.
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>>52797591
They get raided by a trillion Primal Colossal Earth Elementals
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>>52797623
>forgetting the robot
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>>52797643
Better than getting Gelded within two sessions, amirite fellas?
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>>52797627
>>52797614

I sincerely hope it's some sort of bullshit magic item or portal to some Plane that could get them a solid, and consistent, source of money.
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>>52797679
No sheet and Argentum isn't *actually* applying anyway
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>>52797665
>>52797643
Main leitmotif of Blingmaker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjhbjrlOsDU
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>>52797623
>TWENTY NINE DAYS
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>>52797623
>26 years

Hold on, I recognize that number
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Is there a point at which you would reject someone's application based on reputation?

Would you do it if they're so abrasive that you expect they'll cause trouble? Conversely, what if they're so popular and beloved that you know your game would attract swarms of shitposters and fanboys?
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>>52797680

That's what happens when you try to get busy with Svetlana.
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>>52797623
What are their three sizes though?
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>>52797711
That's the wraith so I'm going to guess it's "days since undead".
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>>52797726
...Unless she's a widow in this timeline. Or becomes one because the PCs fuck up an early encounter.
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>>52797665

Wait a second, aren't those Wardstones full of delicious Mythic power? Punch those open first so you get Mythic 10.
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>>52797729
Ask the players to put it in their character sheet or something.
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>>52797725
The first is justified; an abrasive person won't have a good relationship with others, which is critical.

The second is not justified; you're punishing the innocent player for the actions of a misguided mob. This course of action might require an atonement quest.
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>>52797623
>>52797729
Quickly, summon a VicesAnon!
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>>52797623
This is a neat post

I was going for 7' 6" on Umbranae but I must have forgotten to update it on the sheet. No idea what to make the weight but it will have to be pretty dang heavy.
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>>52797738

I'm still shocked Paizo didn't write Oleg as a character meant to die. Hell, isn't Oleg some chubby older guy and Svetlana's kinda young and lovely?
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>>52797623
Hold on, isn't that shorty actually a cat? Wouldn't that mean he should be even smaller?
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>>52797750
Vices is broken as fuck for calculating sizes, it tends to give shit like 110 - 60 - 75
sizes.
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>>52797725

If you know they're a shitty player than you know to avoid them.
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>>52797746
What about attractiveness scores?
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>>52797766
The descriptions are probably inconsistent. The art has Oleg as being rugged and scruffy, but with a big ol' lantern jaw and looking like a determined homesteader.

Svetlana looks kind of like a house-frau, but pretty nonetheless, good country girl type of woman.
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>>52797784
Don't bring that stupid system up again, ever
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>>52797795
>>52797784
>Not using Comeliness
>4717 AR
Educate yourself.
http://fizzygoo.com/Dnd/Variant/Comelns.html
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>>52797795
This one?

http://fizzygoo.com/Dnd/Variant/Comelns.html
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>>52797784
System is bad and you'd have to fuck with racial modifiers if you don't want the wraith to be succubus class.
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>>52797810
>>52797809
Here's the problem with that system - it basically makes it so even the cutest girl doesn't stand up to a hulking musclewoman.
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>>52797793
For clarity, here's Svetlana's art in Kingmaker Part 1.
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>>52797823
Then how will we rank their cuteness?
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>>52797823
I'm not sure I see the problem, Anon.

The system rightfully favors Paladins, which are scientifically proven to be the best, most well-rounded girls.
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>>52797828
And here's Oleg from the same book.
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>>52797839
paladinfag fuck off
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>>52797823
What, you don't find strength sexy?
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>>52797623
>† She's the size of a petite hill giant, is this even Medium?
What IS the size for medium anyway?
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>>52797623

Hey, you're forgetting Crytha and a few others. Was this intentional?
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>>52797844
Does it help if it favors cute Antipaladins just as much?
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>>52797843

[Distant "Bleeetzball"]
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>>52797865
Size range for Medium is about 4-8 feet according to the SRD, with Large being 8-16 and Small being 2-4.
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>>52797828

What the fuck, Svetlana is adorable and cute and was made by a company that doesn't know how to do either if it bit them in the butt.
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>>52797866
huh, you're right, guess I fucked up.
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>>52797873
>I moved out here an' started my trading post a few years back--too many of those damn Al Bhed moving into Restov, ya?
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Besides Slayers, what other base classes can poach Rogue Talents and have something good to offer?
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>>52797884
So wait Dread Wraiths, being a Large undead, are like ten foot tall dementors?
Shit that's scary son
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>>52797623
So what can the dimensions of a medium gelatinous cube feasibly be before it crosses over into large?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat/space-reach-threatened-area-templates/
I guess by this chart, she can be 8ft on each side, but for improved bed dimensions, probably only 3 or 4 feet high.
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>>52797900
Hedgewitch, Stalker, later game steelfist commandos
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>>52797912
Gelatinous Cubes grow bigger as they level up, at level 4 they turn into Large creatures.
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>>52797900
Vigilante.
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>>52797900
3pp allowed? Steelfist Commando.
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>>52797873
>Look Brudda, all I'm sayin is we go to those Al-Bhed Ghettos, and clean them out. Praise be to Yevon!
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>>52797900
Investigator, Slayer, and Vigilante all can.
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>>52797933
>>52797897
So wait, does this mean that Svetlana is going to be like a slightly older Lulu?
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What games run tonight? Isn't DHB in one on Wednesday, so they Greentext?
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>>52797711
The other anon's right, it's days since wraithdom.
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>>52797921
>>52797931
>>52797926
3pp is allowed, but I'm already using an initiator on the other side, so that's a little silly, right? I'm tempted to check out Vigilante, though. Could be pretty swank (though I'll need to come up with an alter ego)
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>>52797946
WUUUUUUBUUUUUUU!!!
MAKE IT HAPPEN MAN!
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>>52797949
Dragons 2 just finished
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>>52797967
DHB is in Dragons 2?
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>>52797952
If you want a caster, charlatanism hedgewitch can get any rogue talent as a secret, and font of inspiration can get prescient dodger as a secret.
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>>52797844
t; animefag
kek
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What is sleek, lean, lethal, vicious, stealthy and a very impressive sight to witness.
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>>52797924
This is for the chart, though.

8ft*8ft*4ft = 7.25 cubic metres, and at the typical density of gelatin this makes her weight around 7 tonnes.
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>>52797967
G R E E N T E X T S W H E N
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Is there anything wrong with just giving the martials the vital strike feats at the appropriate levels for free?
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>>52797993

A hawk catching a hare mid-flight?
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>>52797993
A panther.
A high-tech concept car going full speed.
Your mom in my bedroom.
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>>52797976
The question was 'what games run tonight'

D2 ran tonight.
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>>52797993
Lancergirls
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>>52798009
Nope
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>>52797933
>>52797897
>>52797873

>Find the Stag Lord's Fort

Is this Anor Londo?
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>>52797996
I imagine she's something like 8 x 8 x 8 and just makes herself flatter and wider when she wants to go full bed. A cube that's actually a rectangular prism is pretty retarded
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>>52797623
I wonder if Konja will eat her enemies alive during the campaign and blob around with their corpse inside her.
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Since the Sparrow's Path legendary talent is somewhat shabby, would the following (homebrew) legendary talent be a good way to allow Spheres of Might melee martials to reliably attack fliers?

Gravitic Thrust
Prerequisites: Equipment sphere
You channel the world's gravity to smite a foe above you. For the purpose of your melee reach (even for your threatened area), treat any enemies vertically above you as if they were at the same vertical altitude as you. This does not apply to enemies vertically above you by more than 20 times your base attack bonus in feet. This is a supernatural ability.
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>>52797990
I've noticed. That's pretty great. I'm sorely tempted. Sussing it all out right now, but this may be my destiny, especially since you get to pick your casting ability score with Hedgewitch.
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>>52798026
>Fighting Irovetti
I know who this is! I know who you are!
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>>52798026
You
did it
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>>52798000
Soon
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>>52797860

Not everyone wants a big, beefy killmonster to call their wife, anon.

I do, but I'm kind of weird.
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>>52798050
What did he mean by this?
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>>52797993
Ladycock
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>>52798050

>Fighting Orik

DROP YOUR SHIELD!
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>>52798014
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Dragons 2 Greentext. Excellent Adventure

>Everyone blearily gains lucidity from a 3 day long narcotic laced cake bender, curtosy of Queen Lua Culdranth. minus Rory who cant have cake... he had an asian dragon maid to keep him company for the three days.
>Aurora apparently at in and about 18 wedding cakes in those three days. Lio spend those three days getting attended to by a very good massue... and somehow ended up with a sore back. Mei woke up in a bath somehow. Calsi ended up hatefucking her rival... with plans to do it again next thursday. Rinka, in a sugar rush for the ages, invented a clockwork M16 with underbarrle grenade launcher. Rory apparrently had relations with the asian dragon so much that he got the Man fucked out of him. he's now Rori the Girlydog.
>The party meets up at The Queen's favorite place for new orders "The Hookah of Space and Time."
>Aurora, our resident punch loli, is having a joyus day! her bust upgraded itself in the midterm. she's gone from misquito bites to Oranges! that's nearly a 300% increase! Though her good mood is ruined by Calsi showing up in her rivals shirt who happens to be two sizes smaller.
> Their mission, if they choose to accept it. is to take over the world! More specifically Garund. Starting with Thuvia. Suggestions? Control the the Sun Orchid Elixer.
> but step one of THAT mission is to Get Famous!
>There's only one way to do that! ""Skinny!" Get the band, we're taking Calsi on the road!!". The party decides that going on a musical tour is just the thing.
>They're just about to pack for the trip when Lio, the didney princess, has a (Very painful) growth spurt! She's now 8 feet tall and positively infuriating to look at according to punch loli. Turns out she's a late bloomer!
>They then get the band, a few servants and head out into the world! With three wagons for the party, Calsi's band, and Calsi's luggage.
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>>52798072
>>52798050
>GM starts a new session and one player is suddenly level 20
...So, I've been grinding.
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Still looking for Gloom Chymist build advice if anyone knows anything about it. I can't really find any resources on it other than pic related.
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>>52798065
It's Two Best Friends Play memes.
/v/ needs to go.
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>>52798021
I was just making sure. Full attacks just take up so much time, and combat goes alot quicker without it, but at the same time I was worried it would unbalance something.
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>>52798087

Sounds silly as all get out.

Hope you had fun!
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If a spontaneous caster attempted to use a scroll with a metamagic feat built into it(for example, a sorcerer using a Scroll of Empowered Fireball either he found or made himself) what is the cast time for it? Is it a standard action or a full-round action?
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>>52798087
Isn't Rorymei part of that group? Was he just a no-show?
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>>52798151
Standard
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>>52798048
You know, I actually like that idea a lot.

This runs into the same problems Argentum was talking about of what happens when you use this in a gravityless region or some other place where 'down' isn't clearly defined.
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>>52798142
>"Hey puppy, are you awake, or did the twenty-sixth round finally kill you?"
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>>52798152
We just call him Mei to avoid confusion
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>>52798100

>Player insists his +1 Perception character can see well because "his build is perfectly calibrated."
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>>52798172
>Fight goes badly
>Same player dives off a cliff
>His final war cry echoes through the ages
>YOU DIDN'T WIN! YOU DIDN'T WIN!
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>>52798179
>>52798172
>>52798100
STOP IT
STOP IT

IT HURTS MY SOUL

REEEEEEEEEE
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>>52798181
>>52798179
>The PCs confront Nyrissa
>She casts a variant of Crushing Despair
>Grins viciously as they writhe in pain
>"Oh no, I cast the bad spell."
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>>52798087
>Rori the girlydog

This is relevant to my interests
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>>52798205
>If you've got such a stupidly tight cunt, the least you could do is put it to good use!
>>
Why is Wail of the Banshee not a save-or-die again
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So there are plenty of outsider races that share the same aligments, but if I understand my metaphysics right the ones that are made to 'embody' each alignment so to speak are:
LG - Archons
NG - Agathion
CG - Azata
LN - Inevitable
N - Aeon
CN - Protean
LE - Devil
NE - Deamon
CE - Demon
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>>52798226
Plus a shitton of others--psychopomps, oni, rakshasa, demodands, etc.--but yeah.
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>>52796780
Either mythic, anime, or 3.0 level with at least Ranger skills, if not Rogue.

A 3.0 martial could trip and disarm like nothing with a feat, Power Attack worked cleanly on TWF, you could add debuffs or extra attacks with a feat or two, or stack enough easy to get bonuses to make AM BARBARIAN look like a bitch on a charge.

Also basic ritual spell crap should be available to everyone.
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>>52798205
as a fullblown shapeshifter, he can switch between genders like nothing.
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>>52798246
>The application will never be finished
>You will never have bones broken by those thighs
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What are the methods to get Dex to Damage on melee weapons?
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>>52798205
Rory's player found a new way to get attention and jumped on it
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>>52798234
Thats what I mean at the beginning, like there are 3-4 LE races I can think of but devils are supposed to kind of be the most LE of them all or something like that. Mostly because these guys all got set up by bestiary 2, where the petitionar lists how in the afterlife souls of certain alignments become these.
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>>52798258
Deadly agility
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>>52798159

And since I'm a retarded I'm gonna ask to make sure, but spontaneous casters can make scrolls with metamagic feats built in right? I mainly ask cause my GM isn't too familiar with scrolls since he doesn't really use them at all and I wanted some clarifications before trying to go ham on something.
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>>52798258
Unchained Rogue.
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>>52798258
Incorporeal.
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>>52798205
What I'm more interested in is if he put a bun in the oven of the Asian dragon girl
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>Looking for inspiration for char design
>Find perfect model
>no good pics for character
>too nervous to spill spaghetti to drawthread to make art of her
JUST!
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>>52798261

actually that was my idea. thought it was hilarious. He's now a "Switch Hitter"
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>>52798258
>Deadly Agility
>Dervish Dance, scimitar only
>Fencing Grace, rapier only
>Slashing Grace, one-handed slashing weapon only
>Unchained Rogue, unlocks at level 3
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>>52798265
>>52798279
Thanks for that, forgot about Deadly Agility since PoW is still pretty new for me.
Very cool, I appreciate the tip.
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>>52797582
Have a Druid with Faerie Fire.

Cry a lot.
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>>52798105
Please help me. I'm so desperate.
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>>52798292
How does the druid know what to Faerie Fire?
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Whats the best source for learning about the outer spheres for PF? Is it still that 3.5 book from before PF was a full game?
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>>52798277
my statement stands, you provided him with something new and he jumped on it
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>>52798274
God I hope so, make the fuck take responsibility, it'll be good for him.
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>>52798325

well he convinced the girl to come with him on the world tour. So there's that.
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>>52798319
>he jumped on it
>Giving a character a RP opportunity is attention whoring

If anything, blame the greentext anon for bringing it up
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>>52798305
Shoot it in the general direction of the person getting beat to shit by the air.
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The FCB for Aasimar Paladins allows them to add +1/6th to the Morale Bonus given by their auras. If you were to choose to go Sacred Servant with the Heroism subdomain does this mean that you'd be giving everyone a +5 bonus to attack rolls, saves and skill checks by 18th level?
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>>52798303
Here's your advice: don't play one. The glooms don't work with anything else bomb related, and the glooms can be replicated with two bombs (Darkness and Frost)
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>>52798382
Probably not. The "auras" it's referring to are supposed to be Paladin auras, so unless your GM is uniquely generous, it's only going to apply to things like your Aura of Courage.
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>>52798325
>Rory realizes that he can't just abandon this dragon chick
>Cleans up his shit, transitions from neutral to Neutral Good
>Becomes a good dad and gets married, acquires immortality
>Fathers a new generation of fluffy-tailed half-dragons.

...I'm not sure how to feel about this. On the one hand, it's Rory, and we know him. On the other hand, more Priscilla is never a bad thing
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>>52798465
>>52798274

It all started with Asian Dragon Girl being very very forward (In typical Demesian fashion) and calling Rory "Exotic"
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>>52798138
It'll increase the discrepancy between 2h and all the other melee combat styles if you're concerned about that.

It won't make them better than archers or casters though.
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>>52798418
Darkness and Frost bombs don't make tentacles.
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>>52798252
Hit me up anon, just shoot me a PM on roll20.
This isn't a joke or a bamboozle.
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>>52798527
Will you be gentle?
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>>52798531
Fuck no anon, not until after.
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>>52798525
Look, either do it and accept the limitations or don't, we can't fucking change the game's rules.

There is no way to make it selective

Now fuck off
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>>52798423
That's RAI, but is it RAW?
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>>52798549
Yes. The Aasimar FCB is a boost to the paladin class feature "Aura of X" not to "anything called Aura"
>>52798572
Oh great, it's this fuck again.
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>>52798572
OH ITS YOU AGAIN

FUCKING

READ A GUIDE

USE YOUR BRAIN

STOP ASKING US TO SPOONFEED YOU YOU INSPID CUNT
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>>52798525
Refluff it so that they do. Or take Evard's Black Tentacles with the feat that gives you Sor/Wiz spells.

Or stop trying to add your fetishes to the game, Steve. You dirty fuck.
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>>52798540
B-but it's my first time!
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>>52798605
>LE SUPREME REDDIT MAN SCHOOLS US AGAIN
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>>52798610
Anon, you sign up for a muscle girl you get a muscle girl. Now you gonna PM or should I just go to sleep?
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>>52798605
>haHAa my witty posts have provoked them to rage! Truly I have proven that I am not, in fact, retarded.
You're retarded.
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>>52798496
>Rory
>Exotic

wot
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>>52798643
Well he is from across the continent. It's all a matter of perspective.
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>>52798634
You post like a redditor, and have the brain power of one.

Stop asking us to hold your hand through the entire game, use that tiny little bitch-brain of yours and figure it out
>>
Not this chode again.
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>>52798605
Or what? Going to whine about "stealin muh art" again?
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>>52798675
No you nigger, I'm angry that you keep shitting up threads with your whining without trying to figure out a build yourself or even doing the most basic shit of reading a guide.

You're literally negative value to these threads, even people jerking off to waifus are more worthwhile than you.
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>>52798675
Hey, stop stealing my pics!
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>>52798691
You're literally worse than the Lewdposters. Fuck off you slive.
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>>52798653

you seen one red dragon dick... you seen em all. big and stupid.
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>>52798715
You could at least attempt to be funny or entertaining instead of coming off as a whining child
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>>52798715

Put on a trip so I can filter you
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>>52798725
Look man, we both know that he's just baiting for responses because he's stupid enough to want them, and we both know you don't actually give a fuck and you're just passing the time by responding to the retard.

But see, when you reply to him he makes another post, and that brings it down for all of us folk just trying to get through the thread quietly.
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>>52798739
You are though, and your avatarfagging only makes you seem more like a bitch
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>>52798715
You shouldn't leave because feelings are hurt. You should leave because you are a chief high hypocrite. You whine about the lack of serious discussion, but when serious discussion actually occurs you drown it out in your whining about your own ineptitude.
>he thinks greentexts make him right
Greentext is a highlight. It tinges an argument, it doesn't make one for you.
>>52798739
>baiting for (You)s this hard
>avatarfagging
Yes.
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>>52798623
But Anon... I'm not even the Anon that was interested. I'm just a shitposter!
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Stop taking the bait you stupid bastards.
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>>52798757
The two aren't mutually exclusive. I'm easy anon.
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>>52798774
B-but all my characters are cute girls!
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>>52798769
Man these types of bait images always crack me up.
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>>52798801
>implying
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>>52798518
Huh. I haven't noticed much of a difference yet, but I haven't played with many 2H fighters. Whats the biggest differences?
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>>52798803
>being a hypocrite about image stealing
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>>52798820
They're less feat-thirsty. Any other combat style, you need a lot more to get it off the ground, but with 2h weapons, you just need Power Attack as your basic workhorse feat, and from there you can go in all sorts of directions.
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>GM says it's just a normal hot springs episode
>Get pulled into a ritualistic mass sacrifice beneath the springs

Well fine then.
My PC was too shy to enter the baths with everyone anyway, I guess ;_;
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>>52798803
Being a fag
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>>52798820
2hangers typically want to have big damage dice. Vital strike is all about that big damage dice. Other styles have a harder time getting and using that dice.
>>
I really wonder if it's too much to hope for pfg to realise the best way to deal with this guy is ignore him.
>>
I want thots to leave.
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>>52798820
1.5x strength to damage, 3 damage per Power Attack threshold, no attack penalty.

Before getting into opportunity costs it's just a combat style that works much better with Pathfinder's combat mechanics and with Paizo's extremely poor math skills. The company's failure to know their own game leaves TWF and other melee combat styles weak.

Not actually such a big deal overall, but you make the best melee style even better if you pass out Vital Strike because 2h gets bigger damage dice. I'm not discouraging you though.
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>>52798862
TWF should be consolidated into one feat. Let it standard action double attack at 6+ BAB.
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>>52798849
well fuck you too
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>>52798845
Who is this guy anyway
Is he new or is this some sort of shitty meme by an old timer
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>>52798889
do you /not/ want thots to leave?
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>>52798903
THROWING WEAPONS
honestly, watching this clusterfuck is amazing.
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All I want from Starfinder is to be able to become big enough to wield spaceship weapons.

If I can BE the Spaceship, even better
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>>52798903
New. Check the archive for this week. Though I sometimes see his pics as 5E OPs
>>
Who sick, twisted bastard of a GM here?
I'm giving my players a Rust Dragon next encounter.
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>>52798917
The joke is that the birb is Thoth, the Egyptian god which is one letter off of thot. Also that I sloppily crossed out the O in JOUST so now it says J UST.
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>>52798827
Holy shit i'm stealing this
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>>52798932
Why not use spaceships as weapons?
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>>52798944
No I remember when he first showed up, I just don't know if this guy is a legit newfag or just a shitposter.

>>52798946
I gave my players an encounter with something that only had Acid Splash as an attack but had DR 20/Epic, Incorporeal, and SR 35. Also a buffed version of Grease with twice the normal saving throw.
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>>52798949
I get the just posting, but I didn't know that bird was Thoth. I don't know what game that image is from.
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What's the best reach weapon overall? I'm looking at fauchard and elven branch spear right now.
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>>52798985
Smite. Over the shoulder MOBA with different deities.
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>>52799007
>moba
I don't play shitty genres, so of course I wouldn't know what it was.
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>>52798997
Fauchard is the best from a pure numbers standpoint, but the EWP feat kinda hurts. Branched spear is good if you get familiarity or otherwise free profficiency, but isn't super worth the EWP feat either, at least when PoW:E has Polearm Dancer, so you can use any spear or polearm for dex. For martial weapons, bardiche and glaive-guisarme are both good.
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>>52798971
That's almost crazy enough to work
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>>52798997
Depends.

Lucerne hammer is good for raw damage, especially if you have some sort of size boost.

Fauchard is nice for crit-fishing and has trip, but being exotic hurts it a bit.

Elven branched spear is also exotic and not as good as the fauchard, but being finessable means it's basically your only option if you're dex-based and can't take Polearm Dancer.
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>>52798997
There's the longhammer too but yeah, those are the main ones to consider.

>>52799033
You don't spend feats to get EWP in 2017, it's "free"
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>>52797470
Those naked Eilistraee dancer chicks with flute swords from FR that hunt evil is probably about right. Though they are chaotic.
>>
>>52798971
Macross guy, are you going to run a Macross quest when Starfinder comes out?
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>>52799071
There's a couple of macross guys here.
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>>52799075
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>>52799083
>>52799075
That's too many Macross guys/gals!

One of you has to pick Gundam and the other gets ZoE!
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>>52799099
Wrong
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>>52799099
>>52799083
BOMBER!
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>>52799083
>>52799099
>>52799105
>>52799106

I want to be in a Macross love triangle with Kyras and Andrik!
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>>52797495

missing a third panel where they're all cut literally in half
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>>52799112
>Macross love triangle
There's not a happy end with that you know.
>>
>>52799033
>>52799041
Exotic isn't a downside, it's a complete nonfactor. Wayfinders son. You're not paying a feat for Weapon Focus (dear god fuck that), and you get familiarity from the stone you have to put into it to get that effect. Ergo one totally arbitrary proficiency is added to any sane martial build whether you use it or not.

>>52799046
Yeah, I can see some characters wanting the more reliable 2d6 weapon (reliable two ways because of its bell curve), and it didn't occur to me before, but just being bludgeoning is a good feature to find in a weapon because it's so much less resisted.
>>
>>52799112
Which one is the half-elf that loses
>>
>>52799134
>just drop 2k on a thing people might not always be able to get
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>>52799143
>just drop 2k to free up a feat slot
Yes, do this always.
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>>52799134
You do know not all ioun stones resonate with wayfinders
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>>52799131
>>52799138

They both win, by spitroasting me!
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>>52799158
thats not how macross love triangles work
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>>52799161

They shoot their micro missiles into my womb, that's how it works isn't it?
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>>52799165
Only one of them can, the other one will be cucked
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>>52797470
I mean, if you're going for a high seas swashbuckler flavor angle, maybe an oath that deals with the terrors of the sea? Protects merchants and travelers from sea monsters, pirates and ghost ships.
>>
Soon, /pfg/ will be conquered by the cute giant robot girls.

Best of all, they will be Canon. Remember to be nice to newbies and help people out.

PEACE
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>>52799168

I think you mean the other one fucks my face!
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>>52799188
No, sorry, thats not how macross love triangles work
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>>52799151
>GMjust lets cracked/broken ioun stones work 100% of the time
>GM lets you wishlist your inventory
You know that not everyone can do this right? Some GMs aren't doormats. But you're right, 2k is worth freeing up a feat slot. My argument is that if you can't do the ioun thing, (and I'm saying it's unlikely that people can) spending the EWP feat is a bad idea. Spending 2k is fine, Spending a feat isn't and you should just take the martial weapon if you can't use iouns.
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>>52799168
Or everyone gets cucked, like in 7.
Or the winner will die in 15 years like in delta
Or hikaru is still kinda sorta upset that minmay didn't pick him.
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>>52799218
Truly, Sheryl won the hardest
>>
>>52799223
I forget, did she cure her space aids?
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>>52799227
Yeah, the music cured her space-aids because it was a Vajra thing anyways
>>
>>52799249
truly, uta wa kiseki
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>>52799218
Wasn't it probably way less than 15 years? Like, her lifespan was likely cut short IIRC?

Because 15 years is basically what she has left at the BEGINNING of the series. She's run off to become an idol basically as a midlife crisis.

(imagine your mom trying to pull that)
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>>52799685
Its not exactly clear, but she probably shortened her life by overusing her rune
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>>52799165
Some of them are dimension-eater warheads and you die.

Then the two spit-roasting you high-five and Gerwalk it out of there.
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>>52799689
Maybe Mirage only needs to wait 3-4 years...
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>>52799700
probably at least 10

And Windamere peeps remain hot till they die so long as they don't live SUUPER long so
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>>52799175
Yes.
This makes my stake hard.
>>
I want to make a crafter who is a cleric of Asmodeus and uses Hidden Priest and Divine Alchemy to try to pass off as a wizard without the party knowing.

How do I get the party to sign off on their souls in exchange for crafting them potions/scrolls/gear without them immediately noticing I am a devil worshiper?
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>>52799804
Put it in the fine print.
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>>52799804
By not having them sign off their souls?

I mean you're asking how to do the most clear, obvious and blatant Asmodean things: at best they'd think you're a wizard devil worshiper who wants to sell their souls for more magic.

The first step to succeeding is to make sure they get more than just your class name wrong.
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>>52799811
That was the first thing I thought. Drop a stack of fifty sheets of paper on the floor and ask them to sign on the dotted line.

I think at least half of them wouldn't bat an eye if it meant more combat effectiveness. But it still seems too straightforward maybe, there's only one type of person who would do that and they would realize it if they stopped to think for a few moments.
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>>52799842
... Any that don't immediately realize EVERYTHING if you did that would fall for fucking anything.

Pretty much anyone at my table would just assume it's a joke character and put him out of his misery before asking you just how bad it was (referring to your stats. you did this because you had like, four sevens didn't you).

I mean there's somewhat obvious villains, and then there's painting yourself orange with spraytan and wearing a dead tabby on your head.
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>>52799842
Word it differently. Don't say 'sign off on your soul', say 'you can trust me with your life; my potions never fail'.
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>>52799872
>then why are you asking us to sign all these waivers?
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>>52799858
It doesn't have to be the first time. Maybe I won't ask for a contract until after a dozen potions and an enchantment or two. It's just business, after you become partners with someone it's a good idea to make sure your deals are written out for legal purposes and all that boring stuff.

I only need them to sign it once and then my character goal is achieved. I can wait. Until then, potions and shiny swords for everyone.
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>>52799899
>I got sued by a person who poisoned his own dumb ass by drinking Distilled Nightshade instead of my healing potion so I need you to sign off after I drink my own potion, saying you witnessed that it was indeed safe.
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>>52799926
not good to wait that long actually, parties are expected to handle the little things for each-other without hassle. the cleric doesn't charge you for healing, the guardian-form living legend doesn't charge you for the bodyguard switches, you don't charge them for brewing the potions that get marked against their own WBL anyways
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>>52799926
Just write it in like Druidic or something in invisible ink.
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>>52799953
I don't want to charge them money though, just their souls, which aren't worth that much anyway if you ask me. I'll be the one healing and buffing them before and after.

>>52799955
Something along those lines might actually work. Maybe write it backwards, too. Or in a a random language no one knows backwards with invisible ink. How far can you go with this fine print shit until it stops being lawful?
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>>52799947
>>52799926
see this is one of the (admittedly very few) things I like about nWoD Demon. In it, you can't hide soul contracts in font-size 0.01 inside the fourteenth comma of a regular contract. When you haggle for someone's soul, both parties are *entirely* aware what's going on. Of course, you have the ability to make it very much worth almost even that...


This is just feeling like some shitty "ahaha look you touched that handle last year with your hand covered in blood and that counts as signing it because it was your blood and thumb, so you actually sold your soul to me".

The least you should be doing is offering damnation feats.
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>>52800004
There's a lot of things you SHOULD be doing, but given that this guy isn't literally an archdevil with the ability to meet the other end of faustian bargains (he probably can't actually grant twelve Wishes in exchange for an immortal soul for example), the whole 'lol you signed it even if you didn't know' shit is the best he can do. And while it's tricky, it technically is still Lawful.
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>>52800032
It's highly unlawful if he hides it in invisible ink or the like.

That's the kind of contract alteration a chaotic character would do.
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>>52800032
>>52800003
Here's the thing
Devil Contracts aren't generally a trickster thing. The Devil tempts you, but he never tricks you. If you sell your soul for a trillion dollars and a Mars base, then by the Daystar you're getting that - but don't try to squeeze out of your end of the deal. The Devil is an ass, but he doesn't lie and he's honest. He tells you straight up "m8 you're going to suffer for eternity for this but let's strike a deal if you're up for it".
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>>52800032
"you should've read carefully" is certainly fine, but "it was completely hidden away in a fashion that made it impossible to notice by simply going through all the text" would probably piss asmodeus off actually.
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>>52800049
In most things I would agree but in the case of Asmodeus he specifically loves it when a deal provides a hidden advantage over one of the parties, and he has his own subdomain of Trickery named after him. So it's kind of blurry.
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>>52800049
This. Low Trickery is what demons do. Devils hate that shit. A devil's prices may not make for very fair deals, but you know what you get, and you know how much it's going to cost you. It's why everyone keeps on dealing with them despite how bitter it might be.

Demons just sign the contract, give you nothing, and then eat you. Which feels kind of like what anon is trying to pull with his potions.
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>>52800074
It's trickery but it's honest trickery. It's like setting up a rigged game, telling your opponent the rules of the game, and asking if they want to play. Yeah okay it's rigged, but you gave your opponent had all the information needed to know it's rigged if they just stopped and thought about it. The old "there's two sets of matching cards, pick two and if they match you win" trick is rigged heavily towards the other side but if you don't think about it you might fall for it, and that's what Asmodeus would do. If none of the cards match that's just dishonest, which isn't how devils operate - devils outsmart and outwit you while literally doing nothing wrong.
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>>52800074
Hidden advantage doesn't mean shit in invisible ink.

It's more abstract.
>By winning over your love, the jilted ex you saved her from loses his will to live. His far more pacifist replacement causes two of the noble houses to withdraw their support in the upcoming war, which leads to the loss of two of the southern provinces of your kingdom.


>The devils have been backing the LG inquisition in the area, and news of your unnaturally extensive youth will catch their eye within the century. Your soul, as well as several other influential, powerful allies of yours make their way to the nine hells far earlier than they would have otherwise - two of which weren't bound for there at all!
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>>52800132
Basically this
You get what you want but 90% of the time you wish you never got it.
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>>52800150
>Be careful what you wish for
as opposed to
>LOL I actually used the french meaning of this word here and the spanish meaning of this word here and the phonetic katakana for this other word here even though it all seemed like perfectly normal english to you, therefore I own your soul LOL!"

Pulling off the former is a fuckton more stylish too. You gotta be damn good to be able to look them in the eye, wave your sleeve across the destruction they have wrought, explain how they *only* got *exactly* what they asked and bargained for, exactly like they wanted it.
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>>52800463
The true Devil is Hubris.
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>>52800463
Which reminds me, what's the Devil analogue to Succubi?
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>>52800523
True Love
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new bread when?
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>>52800710

new bread in case you were wondering.
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