/swg/ Oldschool Inquisitor edition

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I'm starting with x-wing.

I unironically cannot choose between Empire, Rebels or Scum

>>52698403

What's the ship on the left side, about 40% of the way down? long block shaped thing with side fins. I want one. I want to put on spinal mount in it and shoot a ship thru a ship

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r8

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>>52698403
>hapan battle dragons and nova battlecruisers but no mytil starfighters
Delet this

>>52698681
I'd switch Juke to VI on Sabacc, since you'll want him to shoot as fast as possible.

>>52698403
Guess it comes down to how many ships you want to play, how competitive you want to be, and how much money you want to spend.
Scum are the most expensive faction to into since they don't get any ships out of the core set. But to be competitive with them you only need to buy 2 large ships and a Protectorate Fighter.
Imperials are the next most expensive because you're generally buying a lot of ships and not using the ones in the core set for long, unless you like stock TIE swarms.
Rebels are IMO the cheapest. You can buy 2 small ships and the core set and be ok. I'd say ~100$ is the most you'd need for your starting investment (Core-I, K-wing and Heroes of the Rebellion are recommended if you go this route, but you're eventually gonna want Core-II for the damage deck).

If you pick Rebels, I've got a fledgling podcast series that's currently targeted on what ships new players should be investing in and how to run them to their potential.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpCULzAQ8Fw

>>52698403
Core plus ships you like is good to start. Download Startactics or use an online squad builder to proxy upgrade cards.

>>52698681
Give Vader advanced targeting, swap juke on Pure for VI, and pray you never face K-wings

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Can I get Droids that make good PCs, please? Want something a bit more interesting than the regular R2/C3P0 stuff

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>>52698155
Sup /swg/ I'm writing a combpined IA/X-wing campaign, and I need a little help.

It's a 7 mission campaign about Rebels and Empire attempting to take control of an outer rim planet, in the style of the FW Imperial Armour books. Here's what I have so far-

Mission 1- Top Gun tournament, The winner gets to add one of their ships to their final squad.

Mission 2- Imperial Assault mission, the winner gets to add another Top Gun ship to their fleet.

Mission 3- If the Imperials win, they can bring in 2 Top Gun hips in turn 3+ if there are already 60 points of ships destroyed.
If the rebels win, they can redeploy ships at PS 12, 100 points worth, allowing overflow (eg, can bring 4 33 point ships, or a ~150 point CR-90)
If a draw, no bonuses for anyone.

Mission 4- Imperial Assault mission, If the imperials win, they can place 6 Cluster Mine tokens after PS 2 that do not detonate when overlapped by imperial ships.

Mission 5- The winner gets to add a 45 point Scum Ship to their fleet, but this ship is treated as neutral and cannot share information with its side.

mission 6- Imperial Assault mission, If the rebels win, they can equip 4 ships with Hyperwave Comm Scanners for free, ignoring upgrade slots.

Mission 7- This is a 400 point epic game, winner wins the overall campaign.
Mission fluff is as follows-

1. Skirmishes between Imperial and Rebel advance scouts.

2. Both sides attempt to take control of a fuel refinery

3. The Rebels attempt to hijack an Imperial communications network in space.

4. The Imperials attempt to take control of a Rebel bomb storage facility.

5. The Rebels attempt to deliver a shipment of goods to bribe a local crime lord into supporting them.

6. The Rebels attempt to break into an Imperial intelligence outpost to steal plans about the upcoming attack.

7. Both sides amass forces to attempt the push the other off of the planet.

Con't below.

>>52699606
This leaves me to come up with exact mechanics for missions 2, 4, and 6, as I'm not good with Imperial Assault mission design.

For mission 1, It's a Top Gun round-robin tournament between both sides.

For mission 5, it's going to be the Senator's Shuttle /Squadmate mission, but re-fluffed.

For mission 3, It will use the Satelite mission from the Tantive, but with 6 Satelites(4 health, 1 agility). If the Rebels destroy 3 the game is a draw, 6 and the rebels win. Satelites can be protected via the Protect action.


For missions 2, 4, and 6, what is a good IA mission to use as a base? Did I balance mission 3 properly?

>>52699590
An assassin droid would be neat if you wanna do the whole shooty/stabby thing.

>>52698681
Ditch the missile on vader, swap to ATC from sensor jammer- Without ATC vader can't hit hard enough. The missile is a weak as shit attack.

Nothing wrong with standard soontir.

Give Pure VI- He needs to shoot first, and a focus token on 4-5 dice is much more powerful than juke.

>>52698441
Only good thing we ever got from Bothawui (except maybe Gavin Darklighter's waifu if you are into Bothan ladies), the Bothan Assault Cruiser. Created after the Caamas Documents Crisis when the Bothan figured half the galaxy hated them, while the other half only grudgingly tolerated their existence.

>>52698403
get a core set of your choice. Then pick ships that you like. Pick up the aces packs a little bit later for both factions. The packs have some good upgrade cards in them.
I would avoid scum until you have a larger collection personally.

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>>52699590

https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/852743914490429440

LAWSON SIGHTED AT CELEBRATION

I REPEAT:
LAWSON SIGHTED AT CELEBRATION

THE ACE OF ACES FLIES AGAIN?

>>52700729
He'll still probably refuse to show up in the next 2 movies, no matter how much cash they offer him.

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Sup /swg/ I want to port some species over to show my GM. I want to make sure they are balanced so have a look at my spreads. If you are families with the species lore and think you have a better idea let me know.
>corrupted arakkoa
2 brawn
1 agility
2 intelligence
3 cunning
3 willpower
1 presence
100 xp or 90 xp and a point in deception
They are corrupted do to a darkside plague.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja4WudpzBYw

This is so weird

It's like someone popping up in ANH and talked about Mace Windu

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It's not a bad poster.
Luke's placement seems ominous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4I68XVPzQ

FLEET BATTLES

>>52701062
"Time for the jedi to end"
FUCKING CALLED IT

>>52701062
>FLEET BATTLES
and the only fighters are T-70's and old school A-wings, WTF.
Also, Poe has ANOTHER one of his X-wings blown up on the ground?
I just hope that Finn stays in his coma throughout.

>>52701062
I hope the resistance gets their shit pushed in in a giant fleet scale skirmish

>>52701114
>old school A-wings

They're new A-wings. Which means now I can have better A-wings in X-wing.

>>52701167
It's way too similar to the old A-wing IMO, if it is supposed to be a new ship.

>>52701114
>Poe has ANOTHER one of his X-wings blown up on the ground
Best pilot in the galaxy!

>>52701212
if only he could get in the cockpit before it sploded.
He's the best pilot, so they have to handicap him by not letting him fly ever.

>>52701062
RIP Black One ;-;

I bet you that one of those A-wings is L'ulo

>>52698403
Empire is the most expensive because they need redundant ships, but they are always meta and the most fun to maneuver (which IMOH is what makes this game unique and great). They also require the fewest upgrades to function appropriately so they could be cheaper if you want to be cutting edge competitive.

Scum are the second most expensive because they don't use anything in the core sets but don't require that many ships to function. Though you will spend a pretty penny getting all the upgrades to make them shine. Kinda boring to play imo because everything worthwhile revolves around one broken ship *cough* Jump master *cough* to take them off the ground.

Rebels are probably the cheapest on paper but need upgrades from all over to be remotely competitive. They rely mostly on Regen and large hull/sheild values as well as bombs to shine. Arguably the easiest faction to fly.
As a word of caution: Twin Laser Turrets are the factions lynchpin and they may be getting a nerf soon considering they aren't faction limited anymore. I don't think they could salvage the core strategies of them if the shit ever does hit the fan.

>>52701244
Don't worry, they give him the Mulatto One and he's flying by the end of the movie in a shiny new caramel colored spaceship.

>>52701244
Finn isnt confirmed ded, he is just sleepy

>>52701278

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbquDj3mkGc

>>52701256
>Rebels
>easiest to fly
Is that why Scum with cookie cutter lists are so popular in the meta? 5/8 of the System open winners flew Scum, 4/5 used the exact same list, and the 5th was 3 Jumpmasters. Scum have it easy. Imps have it rough. Rebels are somewhere in the middle until next release when Imps might catch up thanks to turret carriers.

>>52701167
>They're new A-wings.
FFS, Abrams. "I put a new coat of paint on old models and said they're new gen even though they act the exact same way in the movie" is not creativity. The open laziness is really starting to drive me nuts.

>>52701062
>Poe losing his X-wing
>Again
Poor guy just can't catch a break. Those new Resistance capitals look kind of goofy, too. It's like someone took a Nebulon-B2 and chopped its ass off.

>>52701375
>FFS, Abrams
Retard alert!

>>52701375
Abrams isn't part of this one, chap

>>52701307
All the more reason why I believe TLTs are on the chopping block soon.

>>52701307
>Jump masters are still broke

*gasp*
Who'd of thunk?

>>52701390
Technically he is, as he's one of the executive producers. He's just not actively calling the shots for everything like he was last time around.

>>52701392
They can do 1 of 2 things, really.
1. they can get rid of "perform this attack twice
2. They can lower the attack value to 2.
Personally, I think in both cases, the cost should go down to 5 points, but that's neither here nor there as either nerf would likely remove it from the meta with Synced Turret on its way.

>>52701409
Executive Producers don't do shit

>>52701062
>those allusions to classic melodies while simultaneously expanding the musical vocabulary

Is John Williams, dare I say it, /ourguy/?

>>52701443
he always was

>>52701441
Depends on the EP in question. Some are heavily involved, some basically just get the cash flow going.

Michael Bay, for example, didn't direct either of the new TMNT movies, but his fingerprints are all over them and they're quite similar in style (and substance...) to the films that he actually directed personally - because he was executive producer on the TMNT movies.

Likewise, George was EP on all the Star Wars films - yes, even the ones that he didn't write and direct - and TCW.

Why didn't Anakin's force ghost ever come tell Kylo to knock it off?
Surely Kylo would take a lesson from his idol gramps.

>>52701507
Ani is busy being tormented by youngling force ghosts

>>52701507
Because then they'd have to take a position on whether Vader's ghost looks like Hayden Christiansen or Sebastian Shaw.

>>52701507
Because Nucanon despite being only a few years old has just as many plot holes (if not more) as Legends.

>>52701507
For the same reason all those jedi ghosts didn't show up to teach Luke.

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>>52701535

>>52701507
For all we know, Snoke may have prevented such a thing from happening.

>>52701536
That's not a plot hole, just something that hasn't been explained yet.

And no, there's way, way more plot holes in Legends work than there is so far in canon material.

>>52701507
>Anakin's ghost shows up and tells him to knock it off
>Won't believe that this loser is the badass Darth Vader
>Anakin tries but eventually gives up after Kylo starts to blast his favorite Linkin Park songs whenever he shows up

>>52701535
>not just having him be dath vader blue edition

>>52701602
>I'VE
>BECOME SO NUMB

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>>52701634
Is it a new A wing or some kind of Jedi starfighter coming up.

>>52701625
I mean if force ghosts can choose their form and he wants to get through to Kylo, this is hat he'd do.

>>52701664
it's just an A-wing. Look for a less blurry still.

>>52701675
>choose their form
Darth Vader (female)

>>52701707
that's kinda hot

>>52701664
It's an A-Wing. One of the earliest photos from the set was Prince Harry standing next to a full-size A-Wing prop.

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>>52701707
>spoiler
All I can see when trying to imagine that is Balalaika in space.

>>52701714
Probably the best way to convince a young guy to do something.

But only if she keeps the mask on.

Did anybody watch the Last Jedi panel?
Watching Mark Hamill was so bad. He'd be asked a simple question and answer with a 10 minute rant unrelated to the actual question.
>So, does Luke actually talk in this one?
>Well, you know my favorite part of the prequels is that I wasn't in them. You know my wife sometimes tells me to take out the garbage. How crazy is that?

WTF

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>>52700970
I like how they went with a oldschool "clean" poster style instead of a cluttered mess that that the PT posters were

>>52701875
Hamill always does that. Too bad for you for not being able to enjoy it.

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Yeah so it took about three minutes into our first session for my players to turn into full ruthless killers who literally murdered a guy for a couple hundred credits.

Which basically throws any plans that I naively had right out the window. Not sure how to give consequence or intrigue to people who presumably don't give a shit about anything or anyone.
My first and only thought was to make The Box from TCW since they haven't seen it but other than that, I don't know.

>>52701901
It's pretty shitty though. It's like senile story time. Dude just loves to hear himself talk.

>>52701931
But he's literally always done that

He's just scatterbrained

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>>52701917
>Not sure how to give consequence
Eventually, they'll end up killing something that gets on the radars of law enforcement, the Bounty Hunter's Guild, or whichever galactic power is in charge during your campaign's time period.

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>>52701766
>Still has the mask, rasp, and James Earl Jones voice.

>>52701443
>Is John Williams, dare I say it, /ourguy/?

John is fucking brilliant.

If they drop jedi in the Nucanon entirely my autistic sperging will glass Florida fuck

>>52701917
Mask of the Pirate Queen is pretty much just about killing people for money.

Also look to old westerns and Guy Ritchie movies for good outlets for ruthless parties.

>>52702032
Nothing wrong with killing off the Jedi, anon.

The term Jedi has way to much cache in the social conciousness to let them be killed. Don't be stupid. Disney would never throw away that level of marketability.

>>52702061
>WRONG

>>52702116
>inb4 Jedi Bendu is formed.

>>52701917
Kill then and find a new group
It's your best option

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While I'm not really looking to minmax, I do wonder what species would be well-suited for a Smuggler (Thief) with a focus on stealing and slicing.

I don't want a Drall so plz no

>>52702061

I have no idea to know if you're serious or just trolling that anon but I actually agree with that statement.

Just as the dark side its practitioners has continued after thd death of the last Sith, presumably the light side and what it stands for at it's best will continue on after the Jedi. And quite frankly I'm not sure if the Jedi are worth saving at this point. By the time of their fall from grace the Order was pretty much a mess who had lost their way and become hung-up on tradition, protocol and quasi-religious-fundalmentalism. Granted, Luke would be starting more or less from scratch in building a new Order but arguably even the 'scratch' could be tainted beyond repair at this point.

The Jedi have had a 25000 year run. If Rey manages to find a way to save them then great, but if a new path is needed that's something I'm willing to accept.

>>52701443
The fucking way he made this music makes me both hyped and super sentimental

>>52701460

I dunno man, Force Awaken's soundtrack didn't really tickle me in naughty places the way the original and even the pt ones did.
Notable exception being Rey's theme which I quite like

>>52702207
I'm not trolling btw.
The Jedi are a relic of the old republic and it's high time for the light to forge a new past without the archaic order. I agree that the Jedi should go to the same fate as the Sith.

>>52702179
Hutt

>>52702207
To be fair, we have no idea yet what the nucanon NJO was like or whether it even followed the OJO dogma. For all we know, the NuJO could have broken with OJO tradition as Legends' NJO did. I fucking hope it did. It would be incredibly silly if Luke just tried to copy-paste Yoda's Order, retarded doctrine and all.

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>>52702179
Kyuzo could be fun. Their racial jump ability athletics, and boost to agility could make them a good cat burglar

>>52702032
They aren't going to kill off the Jedi it's just a way of raising the stakes.

>>52702179

Clawdite for disguise.

>>52702179
My vote is for Rodian

>>52702246
>>52702257
>>52702265
Good suggestions, thanks

>>52702241
u havin' a giggle there cheeky cunt

>muh balance

I still have no fucking clue what this means. It acts as though Light and Dark are just two different opinions, and not clearly good guys and bad guys.

>>52702238
>forge a new past
Path, dammit. Forge a new PATH.
I have dyslexia, if that's an excuse. TFW writer diagnosed with dyslexia

>>52702275
o Im laffin

>>52702287
So was Edgar Poe gaylord

>>52702061
>>52702207
>>52702238

I really, really doubt they're going to kill off the Jedi. Especially since the opening for TFA's novelization includes a part from the Journal of the Whills talking about the resolving of grays through refined Jedi sight.

Remember also that in Rebels, we see Obi-Wan claim that Luke is the Chosen One, but we know via George and the people he left in charge that that's not the case.

It could be that the turning of his nephew and the deaths of his students made Luke give up, and that's why he wants the Jedi to come to an end, because he's seen how they've basically been genocided twice in fifty years, once under his own leadership.

>>52702278
Balance is a buzzword in the setting. It doesn't mean shit but everyone uses it like it's the most important thing. To the Jedi order, balance meant only the light without the corruption of the dark, to others it means even levels of light and dark. In reality there is no such thing as balance. The force, light and dark, is a force for chaotic happenings, not a peaceful resolution to the setting.

I think the moment I turned on Star Wars was when they said some people can be Jedi and some people can't. All this "force sensitive" shit. It makes it a product of birth and not spiritual devotion.

>>52702278
The Story Group has shown that they're sticking with George's opinions on things.

George's balance was no Sith. Not "no dark side," but no Sith, because the Sith take what's there and amplify it and cause the imbalance in the first place - but now Snoke, whatever he is, and the Knights of Ren have somehow caused imbalance yet again.

George likened the Force as symbiosis, two things working together for the good of each; and the dark side as a cancer - taking something good and wholesome and twisting it into something terrible.

>>52702143
Is it as stupid as the Wookieepedia made it out to be?

>>52702362
No sith and no dark side are the same thing for all intents and purposes

It's literally bad people doing bad shit with red lightsabers and lightning bolts

So the idea that one is an imbalance but the other is totally fucking acceptable is beyond retarded

that moment when it's revealed that Rey is the REAL chosen one...
The line in the teaser about balance foreshadows this HARD. I would not be surprised if she's the third "chosen jedi" within what 30 years?

>>52701062
>>52701377
I don't mind the De-Necked Nebbie look, it's the truncated cone on the front that kills it for me, too much omnidirectional symmetry on the top makes the bottom part mesh poorly.

>>52701443
He's the Secret Sauce of Star Wars (Seriously, George called him that yesterday and I smiled at his goofy choice of words.)

>>52701664
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>>52701723
So does that mean Poe's mom, or the Duros guy from the comics?

>>52702402
>No sith and no dark side are the same thing for all intents and purposes
There are darksiders who aren't Sith though. Snoke and Kylo being the most notable in the nucanon. Grievous was also never a true sith IIRC.
>>52702411
>So does that mean Poe's mom, or the Duros guy from the comics?
I'm betting Shara is ded and it's gonna be the Duros lady from the comics

>>52700970
It's a hell of a lot better than the floating head syndrome clogged mess that make up most movie trailers. TFA's poster was one of the worst offenders I've ever seen in that department and I'm glad they're going in the opposite direction.

>>52702429
General Grievous wasn't a force user.

>>52702402
>Sith and dark side are the same thing

We had culture! Civilization! Ages of art! thousands of years of empire! And you would place us in the same pile as an angry broken fool in the outer rim or a cult of witches in the mist.

>>52702429
Yes I know that that's my whole point

clearly dark side can fuck shit up as shown Kylo and whatnot

So the idea that because he isn't specifically a sith that he isn't causing an imbalance is goddamned moronic

>>52702406
And the next movie again reveals that she is not really, the prophecy was bullshit all along.

>>52702368
The old school Jedi Bendu from the early drafts of ANH were essentially ronin with some weird beliefs, the Force of Others being their guiding philosophy.

The Bendu from Rebels was retarded because his view of balance was literally to sit things out.

>>52702356
Anon, the idea that Force sensitivity was at least partially genetic has been there literally since the beginning. At no point has it ever, ever been shown that anybody can use the Force. That's literally retarded headcanon that's never been a thing.

>>52702402
Not really. The Sith have galaxy-spanning impact. Most other dark side cults, even the more prominent ones like the Nightsisters, don't really have that level of influence. At best, maybe a system or two. If they're crazy, maybe a full sector. Meanwhile, the Sith literally caused galactic scale wars, pretty much every time they reared their heads and decided they wanted more than what they had.

>>52702406
Rey isn't the Chosen One. They've been explicit about that, that Anakin was.

>>52702445
I never said that because they weren't Sith they weren't causing imbalance. I specifically said that they ARE causing an imbalance for some reason, probably because they caused the deaths of the Jedi.

>>52702032
But anon, the only way to balance Le Force is to kill all the Jedi so that the Light Side doesn't outweigh the Dark Side :^)

>>52702458
>the prophecy was bullshit all along
We all knew that all along
>>52702459
>Rey isn't the Chosen One. They've been explicit about that, that Anakin was.
Obi Wan told Maul that Luke was the chosen one.

>>52701114
>I just hope that Finn stays in his coma throughout.
Is this bait? Finn is still the best character in TFA by a country mile, and with Rey going all moody broody Grey Jedi in training we're going to need some levity in this film

>>52702472
>Obi Wan told Maul that Luke was the chosen one.
To be fair, Obi-Wan has lied about things before.

>>52702472
Because he assumed that anakin wouldn't fucking murder palpatine

>>52702472
And Obi-Wan is wrong. They have literally stated this over and over, anon.

He lost his faith in Anakin, when Anakin turned to the dark side. Remember, he was "supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them... bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness."

>>52702472
Obi wan was wrong, due to not being able to see the future. Boy his fault, but still wrong

>>52702489
Well he wouldn't have if Luke didn't turn him back to the light.
Even so, killing the emperor obviously didn't bring balance to the force

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>>52702362
>dark side is cancer

>>52702514
It did, in fact. That's been canon for literally over a decade, that Anakin Skywalker fulfilled the prophecy by casting off the persona of Darth Vader and throwing Palpatine into the pit, thus restoring balance to the Force.

The prophecy never stated that that balance was going to be permanent.

>>52702528
>I am the one in the middle... by betraying everyone that I work with

>>52702570
He didn't betray anyone if anything Kanan betrayed him by bringing the fucking empire to his front step

>>52702570
>It did, in fact. That's been canon for literally over a decade
what's the source?

>>52702528
>I am the one in the middle... I am the raging asshole

>>52702596
goddamn right

>>52702570
>that Anakin Skywalker fulfilled the prophecy by casting off the persona of Darth Vader and throwing Palpatine into the pit, thus restoring balance to the Force
what prophecy?

>>52702598
George himself in the "Chosen One" featurette from RotS.

>>52702625
a dvd special feature isn't a canon source.
While it may have been Lucas' intention, it doesn't mean shit. Just because Lucas says Windu is still alive doesn't make that true either.

>>52702606
I would be one too if a bunch of mice decided to move into my house and than bring a bunch of tigers to fuck up my house

>>52702614
The prophecy of being number one old man chucker.

>>52702570
>>52702625
You know a lot of these debates wouldn't be happening if anyone had ever actually sat down in the Prequels and actually taken five goddamn minutes to EXPLAIN WHAT THE FUCKING PROPHECY WAS, but no I guess that would have cut into time for Jar Jar or awkward flirting. The closest thing we've ever gotten to an explanation was the Mortis arc, and even that was about as clear as mud.

>>52700970
I can understand that Rey is supposed to be important but the fact that the rest are not even shown kinda worries me.
I really liked Poe and Finn, they worked well together.

>>52699606
>>52699621
Anyone?

>>52702719
Finn gets his own subplot with the new Rose character. Poe, idk about, he seems relatively minor in the trailer.

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>>52700970
>her blue lightsaber is turning red
We grey now boys!

>>52702736
Nobody cares about shitty Xwing

>>52702649
Pretty much everything that George stated is still canon, actually.

But if you want actual canon sources, Celebration 2015 had JJ and Kathleen Kennedy both state that Anakin Skywalker was the Chosen One and fulfilled the prophecy at Endor.

>>52702668
Uh... they were pretty solid on what the prophecy was about in TPM and RotS, and a vague line about it in AotC. They didn't actually give us the words of the prophecy in the films, but TPM has the scene where they bring Anakin to the Jedi Temple and Mace is like "you're referring to the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the Force. You think it's this boy?"

And then we have two scenes in RotS. Obi-Wan after the duel with Anakin, "You were the Chosen One! You were supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them! Bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness!"

The second scene is afterward, with Obi-Wan and Yoda, and Yoda wonders if maybe they misread the prophecy - but this is after literally everything has gone wrong for them, so there's a good excuse for their trepidation with the prophecy.

AotC has a line in one of the first scenes - the meeting with Palpatine and the Jedi Council wherein Yoda mentions he can't see the future because the dark side is shrouding everything. Later on in the film, after Obi-Wan leaves Mace and Yoda after walking with them through the Temple, Mace says that "it's time [they] inform the Senate that their ability to use the Force has been diminished," and there's some implications that it's linked to the darkness blocking Yoda's vision in the beginning of the film.

Though, oddly enough, there's a classic yin-yang symbol in the clouds about halfway through the film, when Anakin and Padme are on Naboo and he's standing on the porch.

>>52702804
>Celebration 2015 had JJ and Kathleen Kennedy both state that Anakin Skywalker was the Chosen One and fulfilled the prophecy at Endor.
Still not a canon source.

>>52702763
psssssh...nuthin personnel...jedi

>>52702813
Yes, it is. Do you prefer that it's written down? Or that it's directly in the film?

Star Wars has always had it that the statements from the creators were as canon as the media they created.

>>52702849
>Star Wars has always had it that the statements from the creators were as canon as the media they created.
That's not true at all.

>>52702804
The problem is that we never saw anything hinting at the wording, or who created it, or why the Jedi all subscribe to it. It may have been that George intended that the prophecy was supposed to be mysterious and misread, subject to contradictory interpretations. But typically when you do that in a story you should at least give some idea of what it was, where it came from, and in a movie some visual element associated with it. The prequels had none of that and I always felt like I was missing something.

Plus, Mortis seems to make it pretty clear that the intent of the prophecy was balance between dark and light as in maintaining harmony between them. I think?

>>52702804
>Celebration 2015 had JJ and Kathleen Kennedy both state that Anakin Skywalker was the Chosen One and fulfilled the prophecy at Endor.
But there hasn't been any new Star Wars media since '98?

>>52701062
>Rey, see that tree down there? It's closely related to this event that my father was involved with during The Clone Wars television series about a forcewielder family: Father, Daughter, and Son. The Daughter being the Light Side, the Son being the Dark Side, and the Father being the bringer of balance until my dad killed them all. But anyway, Rey, there must always be balance. We have to do what it takes to make Grey Jedi relevant. Just like Ahsoka Tano. She was a Grey Jedi. Rey, you must watch Star Wars Rebels, now available on blu-ray, and to further understand my story, Star Wars The Clone Wars (2008 series also available on blu-ray). Grey Jedi are cool. You can also check the Massively Multiplayer Online Game Star Wars The Old Republic. Being a Grey Jedi there makes for a tedious playstyle but it's worth it. You can subscribe to the game for $14.99 a month. Also for $50 base price you can get into the Star Wars RPG lines and play a Grey Jedi in the Empire era like Ahsoka. The Jedi must end.
Really Disney?

>>52702892
get fucked, nerd

I'm willing to bet that the big ending line in the trailer actually comes about 5 minutes into the film.
Rey: Train me.
Luke: No, I am old and everything I touch turn to shit.
Rey: Come on
Luke: Oh alright then

I'm not convinced that Luke's ideas about balance are 'No Jedi and no Sith = Balance', but it wouldn't surprise me if he had done some research, found out that the Sith were a heretical Jedi splinter group, and so, when his heretical Jedi Splinter Group up and murdered everyone thought 'fuck it, clearly no Jedi = no heretical splinter groups = balance'. And he'll either agree to train Rey on condition that it dies with her and Kylo, or be awoken to the fact that people are gonna do bad shit whether or not the Jedi are there to train them, and that the Jedi are probably a net good. (Perhaps with the revelation that Snoke isn't attached to Jedi or Sith)

>>52702859
It has always been that way for George, at least. Under the old tiered canon, G-Canon, the top level was for the films and for interviews with George.

>>52702860
The Jedi DON'T all subscribe to it. A huge portion of them either don't know, or don't care about it, and even more of them that do know about it, the only ones we do see believe in it are Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, and Obi-Wan only believed in it because Qui-Gon did.

And no, the Mortis arc doesn't show that the prophecy was about balance between light and dark. You should watch it again, because the Son (aka, the Dark Side) was itching for more freedom, but the Daughter was fine with her station. When the Son got his wish and had as much freedom as the Daughter, immediately everything went to hell, the world started falling apart, Ahsoka turned to the dark side. The whole arc is an allegory for I-VI.

>>52702763
Grey jedi are the most cancerous thing in EU.

>>52702922
>Under the old tiered canon
Well in the current canon, statements from the creators are below Legends.

>>52702944
No, they're not. That's never been said by anybody.

>>52702922
It's been years since I've watched the prequels, so I'll trust you on that.

>>52702908
Yeah.
>The Jedi must end
>Que 20 minute sequence of Rey convincing Luke to change his mind.
Alternatively, Rey mindtricking Luke into changing his mind because Luke is a weak mind when compared to the power that is Rey. :^)

>>52702872
If you're going to RP in a discussion thread, at least use an avatar so I can report you properly.

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>>52699006
>>52699432
>>52699639

Better?

Missiles on Vader is just because I have 3 points remaining that I'd waste otherwise

>>52703024
Maybe proton rockets instead of ipm? I like the list as it is

>>52703063

noted.

Would the list be semi-competitive?

I'm not a meta shitter but I'm broke right now and I like all the models, and winning some games is always nice

>>52703097
I mean, it's not any kind of tournament tier.
Can you win with it? yeah.
Can you beat an actual competitive list (Miranda/Biggs/Stresshog or Fenn Rau/Asajj/Manaroo)? unlikely.

What's the current apex meta on xwing?

I want the ultimate meta-shitter combo

>>52703157
Run the Fen Rau/Asajj/Manaroo list that dominated the System Open.

>>52702999
there are rules?

>>52702971
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if the catalyst for Luke changing his mind is Rey finding that old journal in the cave in the trailer - she is the Scavenger, so it is at least something that makes sense that she'd be good at (spelunking), that old Skywalker wasn't so hot on.
I think the writing, which grated on me in VII, will be better this time around - I've been down with Rian Johnson's other stuff, like Brick.

>>52703203

Maybe Luke has taken the Kreiapill and thinks by ending the jedi the sith will also end.

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Honestly, I can't be assed to care that much. TFA was decent-ish but still an embaressing shallow nostalgia film that was basically member berries come true. And R1 was just loud garbage. And now a pretty half-assed poster that's just a sloppy mix of TRON and ANH except without any of the artistry of ANH's poster. I definitely won't be caring enough to see it in uniform on opening night, but I know I'll see it a week or after.

I think I have more of an issue with Star Wars than I do with the endless parade of Marvel movies because I at least have something to compare the new conveyor belt to, and they're substantially lacking. With Marvel, the premise was new enough and 90's super-hero movies shitty enough, it took a lot longer to start getting bored.

>>52703203
But Johnson isn't writing it, is he? I thought he was just directing. Which means that while he can try to polish a turd, he's still got to deal with what he's given.

>>52703258
The Sith are already extinct by the new trilogy. Vader and Sidious were the last Sith.

Apparently Anthony Daniels is gonna read the 3PO phantom Limb comic on stage tomorrow.

>>52703303
No, he's writing and directing. He still has to deal with what he was given with TFA (TLJ starts up shortly after the end of TFA) and what JJ and Kathleen Kennedy want, though.

>>52703303
Nope. Rian is Writer-directing VIII, and did the story treatment for IX (Which unfortunately is being finished up by Treverrow, who is also doing the direction). So we could have one solid film out the set - I think if there is any big concern, it will be whatever overarching influence JJ still has on the project.

>>52703376
>Treverrow
Literally who? Like I'm looking at his IMBD and he wrote Jurassic World(which had an absolutely abominable script) but otherwise I'm seeing nothing I've ever even heard of.

>>52700969
Huh.

That's really interesting.

>>52703390
That's basically it. Jurassic World made a fuckton of money, so Disney said, 'Yes, please. Make us a fuckton of money.'

>>52703376
I mean, that's not really inspiring me much. We might have one movie out of a trilogy that mediocre? And this is something to be enthusiastic about, especially with the trainwreck of the Anthologies films going concurrently? Well, and I said Trilogy, but I think we all know that Disney's not going to let this cash cow die after three films.

>>52703331
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>>52703303
The good news is, you certainly don't seem to be alone. Check out the top rated comments.

>>52703441
Sorry, but I can't see that and not laugh my ass off at someone bitching about Guardians, of all things. One of the few stand-out hits from the Marvel movies that holds up as a great action film on its own merits. And they are bitching about it being too childish.

I liked the new trailer. I thought it had some gorgeous visuals and seemed enticing but didn't reveal too much. I really dig the parts showing Rey training, and of course Luke's line was a jaw-dropper.

I can see why others aren't getting hyped, but this is exactly what I was looking for from the trailer.

>>52703433
Oh, yeah, I think I'll enjoy VIII, but I'm not holding out my hopes for IX.
I thought Rogue One was pretty good, not gonna bother with Han Solo. I enjoy Rebels.
I think that's almost the advantage of the current modern deluge of Star Wars - I feel a lot more comfy just not watching/reading the stuff I don't feel particularly excited by - especially easy in the age of the wiki summary.

>>52703491

Who went into Guardians expecting otherwise? I mean, seriously? It kinda wore 'Cheesy and happy about it' on it's sleeve in the entire advertising campaign.

>>52703441
>Yeah, I'm kinda not because nobody likes the Thor movies but most people love Star Wars so yeah

I don't think I've ever seen such a punch-able statement in my life.

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>>52703511
Getting hyped about the trailers? Actually just enjoying new content in the franchise without picking it apart and bitching?

Hey everyone, look at this nerd!

>>52703516
Eh, I honestly would say that I hated Rogue One more than I cringed at TFA. TFA can at least stand on its own as a movie with cliched characters and predictable storylines, but it still at least has semi-enjoyable characters. You could replace Rogue One with a single sentence in the opening crawl of ANH, and nothing of importance would have been lost. Excusing maybe the droid. And that pains me, as a Mads junkie.

>>52703568
Eh, I wouldn't go that far. But trailers are hardly something to pin your hopes on. Hell, about a third of Rogue One's trailer is never even in the film, including pretty much every memorable moment.

>>52703626
>Eh, I honestly would say that I hated Rogue One more than I cringed at TFA.
my nigga

>>52703626
>>52703707
As an RPG guy I liked Rogue one a LOT more, but to each their own.

>>52701062
Anyone hear the hidden Sheev at 0:56?

>>52703626
>TFA can at least stand on its own as a movie with cliched characters and predictable storylines
A movie that blandly copies a successful predecessor is worth less to me than a movie that genuinely tries to provide something new.

TFA was utterly void of creativity, and I personally cannot enjoy that sort of production.

>>52702061
>>52702207
Hopefully she'll go the other way and revive the Sith instead. Jedi can fuck right off. A new Empire and new Sith Order is what is needed.

>>52703707
Thanks, fellow patrician. And I will go ahead and make a note of my own bias, as a 501st TIE pilot. But having your hero casually murder a friend of his by shooting him in the back in the first minutes of the film isn't really a good way to make me empathize or care about this character. Like, our misfit band of rebels is just so comically unlikeable.
>"Rebellious" teenager that just does whatever Daddy tells her to
>A violent psychopathic terrorist
>The blatant China pandering character who wasn't terrible
>The other blatant China pandering character who... had a cool gun, I guess?
>The pilot dude that got raped by a squid
>A sarcastic droid that was more personable than any of the living characters.

Honestly, I think they just tried way too fucking hard to have a big diverse cast, which ended up watering everyone down to the point that they can honestly be bettered described by what they were wearing or holding. Blind staff dude, big gun guy, Imperial pilot man, etc.

>>52703859
Utterly devoid of creativity, yes. But I cared far more about Rey and Kylo that I did anyone in R1 aside from maybe the droid. Hell, that intro bit with little to no dialogue as you get a sense of Rey's world and life is single-handedly better than anything we got in R1, and comparing it to Young Jyn's bit makes the comparison downright comical. Both are mindless popcorn movies, but one at least has heart. It may be a recycled heart, but it's still there.

>>52703837
I honestly don't know what that has to do with it? If we'd gotten the sci-fi heist caper with a band of interesting outlaws like the trailer made it look like, then sure. But we just had bland characters shoved into a snuff adventure.

>>52703837
I liked R1 more as well, it felt very much like an old WWII movie set in the Star Wars universe, while TFA felt like it played it too safe for my taste.

What a pity that the best part of Rogue One was the final thirty seconds, that had no real part to play in the film beyond getting fanboys hyped yet was actually probably the only thing from the film that people will remember in a few years.

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Never new /tg/ could have taste this shit. Tfa was garbage and brought absolutely nothing new to the universe. How is Rey any better than Jyn as a protagonist? At least Jyn needed help to accomplish her goals. Rey could have soloed her film. R1 did things new with the setting and the lore had better action, better locations and a better story. R1 biggest fault was the name.

>>52704120
It's because of Celebration. It's drawing everyone out of the weeds. They'll all slink back away soon enough.

>>52704120
Oh look, a promotional still that was never in the film. Nor were most of the badass beach scenes on Scarif. Rey is an OP Sue, but you still at least have a better understanding of her thoughts, her worldview, and her aspirations than you do of Jyn. One you see fantasizing about the space battles of old, eking out a living in the bones of a bygone time. You are there when she finally is thrust into the wider world. Jyn has no real emotional appeal. She's an angsty teenager that just does whatever Daddy or Robo-Daddy tells her to. Shit just happens in R1 without consequence or meaning. The death of characters you never cared about are meaningless.

R1 can best be summed up in Saw's bland acceptance of oblivion despite his years as a violent partisan. Just stand there and let the sound and fury wash over you. But don't expect there to be any point to it.

>>52703913
>Caring about the girl whose hardest moment in the movie was teaching herself mindtricks.

>Or Captain CRAWLING.

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>>52704120
Say what you want, the fighter scenes in R1 were pure sex.

>>52704166
You sound like a GeeDub shill, dude. It's pathetic. People will disagree with you, that doesn't make that human filth.

>>52704248
I'll pick the one that had any character development. So... Sorry, Jyn. Being a shitty Sue doesn't mean you can't still empathize with a character. And I'd say scrounging an existence for day-to-day rations on your own on a dusty shithole filled with violent thugs was probably harder than her Sue shit later.

My biggest problem with TFA was how empty the setting felt, which is a problem I have with Abrams in general. Compare Jakku to Jedha, which one felt more real?

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>>52703097
>>52703141

If you know how to fly all three ships, particularity against their hardest counter (sabine K-wing), yeah you'll probably do alright.

Honestly Miranda won't like seeing any of those guys across from her, even with Biggs. You just gotta dodge the bombs, which means you need to be thinking 2-3 turns ahead.

>>52704263
Pretty much. Rogue One will probably remain my favorite Star Wars film for some time, if only because it did its world building and combat amazingly well.

>>52703626
>>52703707
Lol wut? Rogue one was a lot better than tfa imo. The empire was competent, dark troopers are canon, Jedha and Scariff were great. The space battle was kino loved how fighters stayed in formation and the ones that didn't got BTFO. Characters were a little weak. I only really cared about Chirrut, Baze and the droid. Only people I cared about in tfa was Han and Chewie. Poe was underused and Kylo has potential

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>>52704308
I feel like a lot of his aliens/background characters were really unremarkable and just set dressing, which made it feel empty to me. In R1 there was even variety in the imperial base with all the different troopers and droids.

>>52704308
Ain't that the truth. I maintain the only thing Abrams has ever done competently is Alias and Fringe up until the final season.

>>52704357
Who the fuck is Baze? Chirrut's blind Chink, right? And competent is a pretty strong word for what they demonstrated in the movie. And don't forget Vader's spooky skull castle on Mustafar.

>>52704308
They should have played up the Proxy war elements where the Republic was funding the resistance, because otherwise it feels way too similar to the OT. The only thing that reflected on a difference was it seemed like the outer rim was even more lawless and the First Order wasn't really in control so much as doing attacks on places to get shit they wanted. Adding more focus on either of those elements probably would have helped the greater setting more distinctive.

Oh and actually releasing more sequel era content like games/books/comics instead of keeping everything so goddamn mysterious

>>52704404
I mean, that image you posted could just as easily be swapped for the random aliens in Maz's cantina in tfa. Hell, I certainly never noticed a headless man with a shotgun in my two watchings of the film.

>>52704246
What? All you know about Rey is that she misses mommy and daddy same as Jyn. Tfa shits on legacy characters to make way for their new ones in a highly inorganic way. Han leaves Leia to be a fucking Smuggler again? And not even a good one at that. Luke seriously couldn't have stopped Kylo and friends from obliterating the Jedi? The First Order is somehow more powerful than the Empire?

Dave being such a baby on set is hilarious.

>>52704437
That cantina scene was shit. Not a single old alien yet all the new ones were shittier copies of old aliens

>>52704437
The background characters and set dressing in R1 is so unremarkable that people only recently noticed the Stormtroopers riding space camels on Jedha.
What a boring fucking movie to look at.

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>>52704525
...Wait, they had space camels? Holy shit, you aren't kidding. Does the headless shotgun man actually get screen-time, by the way? Or was he -- like most of the trailer -- left on the cutting room floor?

>>52704506
Fuck you, nigga. Red Pirate Man is a fly motherfucker.

>>52704565
>Red Pirate Man is a fly motherfucker.
hella. I'd buy his spinoff for a dollar

>>52704565
He was the only cool original alien there. I see shitty not-ithorians, three generic brown potatoe headed aliens and a shitty blue not-ugnaught.

>>52704442
>Your son is a murderous sociopath who wants to be just like Grandpa Hitler

Yeah I can't imagine how that could strain a relationship

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>>52704437
I actually meant to use this image, and I realize there may be some personal matters of taste, but I could only remember like background characters off the top of my head from TFA, while I can remember several from R1.

>>52704506
I feel like the Maz cantina tried too hard to copy the original cantina scene and fell flat.

>>52704614
>not-ithorians
They're literally ithorians though. A subspecies.
Star wars is all about generic shitty aliens. At the end of the day, they're actors in cheap rubber masks. Look at ANH and find originality in the cantina aliens. They're just guys in cheap halloween shit and that's all a Star Wars alien needs to be.

>>52704707
How dare you insult a cheap Wolfman mask. THERE'S DEEP LORE, THERE.

>>52703626
>You could replace Rogue One with a single sentence in the opening crawl of ANH
But it's already the first two sentences, and arguably the third as well :^)

>>52704706

Its interesting how the jedha pilgrims look like the royal guard and like Snoke's bodyguards.

Deepest lore right there

>>52704770
Sorry, I forgot about him and literal halloween costume devaronian.

>>52704299
What? I never said they were. All I said was that big events like Celebration bring more people to these threads and this are more likely going to bring different opinions

If you wanna project something else then that's on you

>>52704815
Also Neo-Crusaders

But I like the repeating, red cloaked groups, it gives a sense of monastic warrior-monk tradition in the universe.

>>52704815
>vow of silence that extends to body language
I love the idea of Sheev studying the galaxy's inferior non-edgelord faiths and thinking "this Countenance code would make for some bitching aesthetic bodyguards"

>>52704837
>drawing people out of the weeds
>slink back away
Yeah, I normally describe people I respectively agree with as crawling out of weeds and destined to slither away from whence they came. Fuck yourself.

>>52704706
>the only difference between two is one has red robes with yellow highlights while the other has blue with yellow highlights
DEEPEST LORE

>>52703303
>And R1 was just loud garbage.

After watching them back to back, I much preferred the true to old canon at least somewhat that was R1 to the garbage that was TFA

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>>52704914
Need to take a deep breath and relax there, friendo

>>52704910

I think what they're going for is that red cloaked guys have to do with ancient sith/jedi or even pre-sith/jedi force using.

Which is probably also what Snoke is.

They have a ton of references to Malachor now.

Maybe even Revan, which could be Snoke.

In fact Kylo's mask and attire could not only be in imitation of Darth Vader but of Revan as well.

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>>52704938
>true to old canon
>R1

I've not yet used Shipfag's combat fixes in my game, though I plan to. I'm wondering though what the benefit is. I like the change to shields and higher difficulty to hit starfighters, but I think it's weird that HT is increased so dramatically. It makes me feel like even small ship battles might go on way too long. Then again I've not yet used it in practice. Does it work?

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>>52701377
Don't think they're big enough to be a nebbie or frigate, about the same size as a corvette or something.
Maybe some kind of gunship?

>>52704964

Compared to fucking "I'm a new sensitive than can mind trick someone with ANY basic semblance of training"? Yeah. It was plausible. It wasn't a goddamn session of "look at strong Rei she da best".

Though I prefer world building by far to character development, since I'm more appreciative of the EU than the shits that lap up that garbage that Abrams spit out.

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>>52704998
Where have I seen that before?

>>52704976

If you just double distances in regular xwing things get way more realistic. Movement and range

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R1 was able to make the death star scary again. Starkiller base was a joke even in universe. "Its the death star but bigger lol".

>>52705060
in R1 the deathstar blows up a city and a military base.
Starkiller base fried and entire system.

>>52704998

Those are ugly as fuck.

I unironically think Lucas did it much better with the prequel ships and their aesthetics.

It seems like sequel ships get boxier and uglier.

It's probably some new kind of Corellian freighter. Maybe part of the shitty rebellion fleet or I believe the leaks said Poe Dameron convinced some farmers to revolt, so maybe those are civilian ships (but they're painted in new republic colors)

>>52705060
>a joke in universe
>wiped out an entire system, including the temporary capital of the Republic
lel

>>52704976
you go from 1-2 hits to about 4 hits before exploding

>>52705076
>>52705060

Literally pointless when you can retrofit high-density asteroids and space hulks with hyperdrives and literally hyperdrive-crash them into any planet

That would nuke any planet.

>>52705105
40k faggot go back to your shit general and stop fucking this one.

>>52705076
Funny about that since it was still non scary and boring. The characters were making jokes about it. Not to mention nobody gives a shit about that system since Jar Jar Abrams spent zero time getting us to care about hosnian prime. At least we were groundlevel with Jedha and Scariff.

>>52705084
Yeah, it'd be very republic to send in their transports into a screaming shit fight- they finally ran out of the poor old GR75's :)

>>52705105
What are planetary shields dumbass?

>>52705144
Are you retarded? You do realize ANH didn't spend anytime "groundlevel" on Alderaan?

>>52705097
Good thing we got a feel for what that system was like or why it mattered before Hux's rally and subsequent frying.

Oh wait :^)

Abrams can't establish a sense of scale, set an emotional tone, or create tension to save his life and I hate that he keeps getting these reboots handed to him

>>52705164

So far only one planet has been shown to have a planetary shield and you can literally hyperdrive a small fighter into the space station that opens / generates it to break it all.

>>52705187
They still had Leia to give us a personal connection

>>52705084
Those look similar to the descriptions we've gotten of an entirely new line of battleship the Rebellion started creating in the last year or so of the first GCW. They were said to resemble a hatchet, with a short handle and a big head. Those are probably all the capital ships that are left of the New Republic Fleet. They really are too squat to be heavy hitters.

>>52705105
Hyperspace doesn't work that way. The asteroids mass would be tiny in hyperspace, and would shatter on the mass shadow of the planet in question
>>52705203
When did that happen in New Canon?

>>52704976
>>52705050
I'm talking about the ones for the RPG.

>>52705206
And we saw the faces of the people when the Starkiller fired.

>>52705144
You aren't scared of the Death Star in R1 because you'd been on the planets. You were scared because you'd already seen it explode an entire planet and knew that it was escaping without a scratch at the end of the film.

>>52705203
No, you can't. Hyperdrives do not work that way. They shunt the ship into a different dimension, not accelerate it to relativistic FTL speeds in realspace.

We see a ship being launched at a planet via hyperdrive in TCW, and it does fuckall to the planet it hits.

>>52705084
>Why does everything look the same no new ships?!
>Wow these new ships look ugly!

>>52705251
>scary

Yeah, as in scary like the Executor, if by scary you mean awe-inspiring.

>>52705250
People we never saw before and had no connection to.

>there are people here unironically defending the absolute shit that was TFA
>they will probably defend The First Order Strikes Back too

Seek sunlight.

Rogue One wasn't very good but at least it had originality, which is more than what I can say for TFA + soon TLJ.

>>52705199

What do you mean Light doesn't work that way? I can see it in real time from an entire system away easy pz. I can see Stars, can't I?

>>52705280
Compared to Leia who had less than 5 minutes of screentime prior to reacting to Alderaan's destruction? We had no connection to her either other than "she's the princess goodguy"

>>52705307
Five minutes of connection, of seeing what sort of character she is.

The people we saw get blown up were literally only in the scene where they got blown up, and they had no dialogue - just poorly acted scared faces.

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>>52705270

No, they really look ugly regardless of prequels or OT.

As standalone ships nu-TIE fighters and nu-xwings look cheap and poor creative wise.

Like they're rehashing the things they know will instantly sell more toys in impulse buys instead of trying to create something original. Something which Lucas at least managed to do in the prequels.

I cant think of a single sequel ship that is more than a 6/10 aesthetically.

>>52705251
The Death Star was imposing but not really threatening in a personal sense circa ANH. It's hard to really grasp the idea of being present for the destruction of an entire planet.

The "single ignition" blasts in R1 ironically made it more frightening by bringing the level of destruction down to an observable scale and showing the effects firsthand.

That pair of panning shots over the mushroom cloud on Scarif was the best part of the Pacific Theater atmosphere and pure kino

>>52705340
The Resurgent-class looks like two ISD-2s piled ontop of each other. Its like a ISD-sized Ugly.

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>>52705105
>>52705139

Nah man, even 40k has advanced past throwing rocks at your enemies.

>>52705390

And I fucking hate the assymetrical bridge

>>52705340
>nu-TIE fighters

>hey
>hey
>what if
>what if we took a ship known for it's poor performance and cheapness to produce
>what if we took it and we added a fuck ton of shit to it that defeats the entire point of having a disposable ship for disposable pilots, while still keeping the same bullshit negatives it has due to the solar panels on the side

>>52704998
>>52705084
>>52705240
I really hate the front top part, Making it so symmetrical like a fat version of an Apollo capsule clashes with the rest of the ship's vertical shape.

The hatchet bits are a little too fat and featureless as well, but not hideously so.

>>52705384
>kino
fuck off, hipster shill
>>>/tv/

>>52705416

Not to mention TIE interceptors were already being introduced in Rotj as better versions of the TIE

>>52705410
Like I said it just looks like they spliced different elements of ships together. I wish they'd have it like that as a story reason, like say First Order are scraping the bottom of the barrel so they're forced to make Mad Max-tier ships and just repaint old TIEs, but nope we got DEATH STAR BUT BIGGER

>>52705416
>>what if we took a ship known for it's poor performance and cheapness to produce
You mean excellent performance (For its time), low durability, and cheapness to produce.

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>>52705298
>people are all lined up crying in the streets
>planets are neatly lined up right next to each other in space as the beams hit
>people lined up on the literal opposite side of the galaxy to watch and emote for the camera
>my face during that entire scene
JJ's really good at lining up casualties for shock value, but he sure seems to skip out on the rest of the cinematography

>>52705340
Prequel ships are better designed than the OT ships too imo. The Falcon looks like trash.

>>52705489
>For its time
For it's cost**

>>52705487

Remember, the resurgent class is also A STAR DESTROYER BUT BIGGERER

And its still btfo by a single TIE fighter crewed by our beloved Rebel protagonists

>>52705500
That's intended. Prequel aesthetics were meant to represent the 50s and then the OT would be the 80s, with curved vs jagged. The ST just rehashes though, doesn't bring anything new.

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>>52705500

Venator is top tier and so is the Invisible Hand

>>52705519
Another thing that could've been explained if they went for a post-apocalyptic thing going for the First Order.

They want them to both be extremist radicals with not much manpower and still be as menacing as the old Empire because muh OT. It really doesn't work out.

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>The threads are already going to shit and the movie is an entire pregnancy away

>>52705528
>The ST just rehashes though, doesn't bring anything new.

Well then the ST is the 2000's and we rehash everything with nostalgia. It works in a meta way.

>>52705569

It's not like they designed a proper fleet for the rebels either.

TFA was cheap as shit, they didnt know what the fuck to do and instead tried to scam everyone with "everything is smaller in size" "everything is poor or decaying" meme.

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>>52705575
What the fuck are you talking about? Human pregnancy lasts 11-12 months

>>52705575
TFA as a whole disappointed me enough to make me leery of the whole sequel run, and I'd like to assume I'm not the only person who feels that way, so TLJ has a pretty significant hurdle to overcome. The kind of hurdle that heralds a lot of premature shitposting

>>52705403
Therapeutic Accountancy always made me giggle

>Sir, Sir! Can we use the Javelin on the mud hut compound?
>No for fucks sake, just use the 40mm's
>But we've been carrying it all day and just want to blow shit up with the heavy piece of shit
>Its an $80,000 missile! On a $5 mud wall

>>52705632
Maybe he's implying that its going to be an abortion

>>52705632
I can't tell if this is a joke or not

>>52705640

The prequels are better on creative merit alone.

Even the toys / videogames are way better.

What did TFA bring? Almost all merchandising crap and no quality content.

>>52705632
>Human pregnancy
Nah son, that shits for life.

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>>52705640
>>52705290
The major difference between tfa and tlj is that tlj will be written and directed by Rian Johnson and Lucasfilm instead of Jew Jew Abrams and bad robot. TLJ may actually be good I hope

>>52705640
TLJ is going to be... interesting for the fandom. I'm not surprised they went with a safe teaser for now. The jedi order symbol was a taste.

>new trailer comes out

>thread devolves into PREQUELS WERE BETTER
>TFA IS SHIT
>ROGUE ONE IS SHIT

Oh boy, we're in for a fun time, huh.

>>52705728
I hope its so bad that all of the fake fans and most of the annoying real fans leave for good. This thread is better when it's quiet.

>>52705713
>The Darth Maul/Darth Talon game will never Come out

Why even live

>>52705742
Better than Xwing netlist circlejerking. These threads are only good when the roleplayers are here and new GMs ask for help and advice

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>>52705742

But theyre shit.

And Star Wars in general is shit.

the ships and some videogames are the only good thing about Star Wars. Maybe some of the music.

>>52705772
to laugh at people who wanted such a thing.
cry more, /v/ shitter.

>>52705763
That would never happen. Salt only breeds more salt. I wish those BOYCOTT STAR WARS bitches would actually boycott it instead of bitching about it constantly

>>52705796
>Star Wars in general is shit
>postan in the STAR WARS GENERAL
kek'd

>>52705801
Nice try man. If I was actually /v/ there's no way I would like a game

>>52705763
The movie combines both of TFA's and Rogue One's philosophy since Lucasfilm is in full control now. There's a storm coming basically.

Also good luck again to FFG in ship balance.

>>52705826
But you don't like a game, you're hyping up a game that doesn't exist. Typical /v/ behavior.

>>52704976
Honesty the HT increase doesn't actually do much for fighters and freighters beyond reducing the number of one-hit kills.

>>52705713
True, but TLJ still has to prove that it isn't going to be another Into Darkess (or at least a bit more solid than another Beyond) before anything solid will exist to take the edge off the shitposting.

>>52705728
Little continuity things like Vader's bacta tube make R1 feel amazing, so I'd appreciate a touch of that combined world-building fanservice in the mainline series. TFA had some major fucking tunnel vision for a movie that aped its forebear so throughly.

>>52705796
Man this really sounds like the right thread for you then, huh.

>>52705788
I dont necesarily agree.
Discussion of SOMETHING other than HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR I DONT LIKE THIS FILM BECAUSE REASONS WHICH ARENT JUST RED LETTER MEDIA I SWEAR IM ORIGINAL.

That shits for fucking /tv/ to discuss in between bouts of pedophilia, not /tg/.

>>52705788
What would you suggest for my x wing list? I own the core set, heroes of the resistance, palpmobile, mandaroo, hoopaloop, gubdubdibbywibby, Jujubees, Poe and Finn docking, 125 copies of Loopin' Chewie and 5 bags of frozen peas

>>52705788
this is /tg/ desu, we should ONLY be talking about the tabletop and leaving the movie shitting for /tv/ and /co/. The faggots who come here for movie discussion are the worst.

>>52705788
>talking about a game on a gaming board is worse than being a /tv/ shitposter
Maybe you should fuck off back to where you came from.

>>52705932
>>52705788

/k/ makes the absolute best Star Wars threads

>>52705763
You know they would stay here and just bitch to everyone else.

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>>52705922
>>52705932
>>52705939
>t. Xwing netlister tourneyfag

Can Roll20 run FFG Star Wars? I know there's a conversion table for regular die in each corebook, but if I have to run F&D over R20 I'd rather it be with proper die than keeping a reference to hand.

GUYS I LOVE X-WING MINIS

KIND OF A SHAME ABOUT THE DWINDLING RATIO OF NEW SHIPS TO DESIGN SPACE, THOUGH

WHAT WOULD YOU FELLOW TRADTIONAL GAMERS LIKE TO SEE IN FFG'S TRADITIONALIZED BOARD-LIKE MINIATURE GAMING SYSTEM TO BRING BACK A DYNAMIC INTERFACTION balance?

>>52705972
how do we purge the shitters then?

>>52705982
>t. /tv/ shitposter

>>52705984
They have ffg dice but it's 20 dollars a month I think

>>52705982
>>>/tv/

Anybody got news from Coruscant yet?

>>52705984
Yeah, but you need access to the APIs for the dice

>>52705986
Fixes for old ships to bring them back in line with newer stuff
Changes to torpedos since they're on so many ships yet so few of them ever actually take them
Nerfs for Scum across the board

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>>52705932
Xwing faggots need your own general

>>52706046
No, they really don't

>>52706034
>fixes for old ships
That's the one thing that's been keeping me from getting back into the game after a year's hiatus. Not the lack of changes, but the sheer range of purchases necessary to gather the card-based updates that end up either making little difference (Integrated Astro for X-Wings) or being so bonkers that they create a new meta around them (x7 Defenders).

>>52706002
>>52706029
That sucks, I barely felt like I got my money's worth on the regular subscription with dynamic lighting that didn't work.

>>52705984
Yeah but you have to pay for it.

>>52705986
Redesigns of older ships wouldn't hurt.

>>52705877
Ultimately Last Jedi is still stuck with the plot/problems created by Abrams/Kasdan. The New Republic is in political free fall, no Jedi but Luke and the First Order aka New Empire is still the enemy with Kylo/Snoke/Hux. And the primary cast lacks the appeal of the Big 3(one of whom was killed off to sell tickets). Abrams handled everyone a pile of feces and expected people afterwards to bake a cake with it. I still don't think it's possible when Act 1 really screwed the entire OT. And Johnson can only clean up his mess and is probably not going to be able to transform the whole meta-narrative that he inherited from shit-gets-worse to maybe-things-get-better.

>>52706108
I think x7 is really the only one that's completely broken shit, guidance chips too debatably though I think that's more of a problem with there not really being any modifications for it to compete with in most instances. Maybe you'd want lightweight frame or improved ion engines on a TIE bomber or Punisher but Rebel and Scum ordinance carriers don't have jack shit else to put there except maybe munitions failsafe which is like the same shit but generally worse.

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>>52705691
Energy, life. You know, things the prequels don't have.

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Just wanna say that most of you liked TFA until other people came up with reasons not to like it, and most of you are excited about the trailer but you're pretending not to be.

I hate this website sometimes.

>>52706422
Hahahahabahahahahhah

>>52706422
THIS.
The prequels had so much fucking stone face acting that you wonder if not only Lucas, but the actors themselves have autism.

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>>52706506
Not me. It was better than I thought but not as good as I hoped. Than I realized it was a new modern remake of ANH and I disliked it even more. R1 was pretty good though. Anyway what old species does everyone want recanonized? My vote goes too these guys

>>52706506
Nah, nigga, I love TFA and the new trailer looks tight. I hope those new big ships get into X-wing.
R1 can suck a cock tho.

I liked parts of all the films, though TFA seemed the worst from an RPG perspective. The setting just doesn't speak to me the way the EU, OT, or Prequels.

>>52706610
Pablo does too.

>>52706422
The prequels are mocked for their inconsistencies in matters philosophical, emotional, logical, etc.
TFA lacks most of these inconsistencies (outside of its plot writing and use of the SW setting) because it's a lifeless rehash that took absolutely zero risks.

>>52706594
>Obi-wan, Sheev, Dooku
>stone faced
Pick one Reddit

>>52706649
Dooku and Obiwan were stonefaced as fuck. Sheev was cringy as shit whenever he emoted.

Also, stop being the faggot who shares reddit's opinions then calls everyone who disagrees with you reddit. It's a bad look.

>>52706624
I think TFA's RPG potential will improve as more media is built around it. Every other time period has decades worth of content developed around it.

>>52706711
THIS. TFA is currently the end of our timeline. As the next 2 movies get added, we'll have a better idea.
Also, nostalgia goggles will help. If nostalgia makes people capable of liking the prequels, they'll come to love TFA in a couple years.

>>52706649
>>52706681
>Muh tribalism!
>No MUH tribalism!

You guys should make a suicide pact

Doesn't seem like we got much out of the FFG panel other than audience support for prequel ships.

https://twitter.com/teamcovenant/status/853015537240215553

>>52706711
>>52706828
Somewhat disappointed that the CW era hasn't gotten a lot of attention from RPG development. People can dislike the prequel trilogy or clone wars cartoons, but the era has a lot of interesting events, equipment and political conflict.
I think with a bit of say, an American civil war treatment it could be kind of an interesting campaign setting

>>52707365
CW era licensing rights seem harder to get. Fact of the matter is that FFG isn't currently allowed to work in the PT era.

>>52702773
I asked for help for an Imperial Assault campaign though.

>>52707486
Ah, I would have thought they'd have picked it up in the original contract, I know they got the licence for Ep7 stuff though, so hopefully there's a sourcebook on the way for that era. Just that majority of RPG play happens in the Empire era (because there's a cracking amount of material) and just for diversity I think its good for alternatives.

>>52707657
>good for alternatives
bad for resource management from the company's perspective though. Makes sense for a business to do the best they can within one setting rather than splitting resources between two or more. Once releases dry up for a while, PT era seems to be their go to.

Buuuummmp. May run a ffg game soon.
thinking AoR, looking through links now, anything i should know?