Pathfinder General /pfg/

I don't care if it was a thing people actually did, mordhau looks dumb as fuck.

>>52649873
Fuck this guy, mordhau is the awesomest thing in the world. There's something visceral about grabbing the sword by a blade and smashing a man's skull with a crossguard.

>>52649788
If there is not at least one spinning flip in a fight, it's not a true victory. Perhaps this is why I've yet to have satisfying combat.

>>52649788

For honor?

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>>52649788
>How do you imagine combat in Pathfinder?
Depends entirely on the setting and the character I'm playing.

This is literally the character I'm playing this week.

Let's say your GM allows Bloodforge, Legendary Kineticists, and Roil Dancer

You make a human telekineticist with the Mixed Blood (Undead) trait. Then, you take the Life After Undeath talent in place of basic Telekinesis. For your first level bonus feat, you pick Noble Scion (War). For your other one, assuming your DM feat taxes, you pick Flashy Finesse from Legendary Kineticists. At third level you pick Mind Afire. Then you take your pick of Oracle 1/Scaled Fist 1 and Paladin 2, for CHA to all saves (you can take ANY alignment with Life after Undeath, not just Evil) and Oracle for CHA to AC and Reflex Saves.

You now have CHA to hit and damage, you're undead with CHA in place of con, you're healed by positive energy and count as a humanoid for spell effects You use Charisma to initiate maneuvers too. The only issue this build has is the interaction between Mixed Blood and Life After Undeath. Does Mixed Blood allow you to take the Life After Undeath talent?

>>52650090
Forgot to add, you need Flashy Finesse as well to get CHA to hit

>>52650078
Wait, when did Ken lose an eye?

>>52649873
swords are nothing but big slabs of iron
they make good clubs

>>52650128
When the she-demon whipped him bloody.

Is Kineticists of Porphyra 4 out yet?

>>52650153
So many shows I need to finish.

>>52650090
> Life After Undeath talent
What does this do and where can I find it?

>>52650224
This is it.

http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/aether-utility-talents#toc22

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Does your character wear a helmet?

If so, what's it look like?

If not, why?

>>52650182
It's been out for a couple of months now

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>>52650453

I never give my character a helmet at the start of a game - it dehumanizes them and makes them into little more than Nameless Goon #23: Adventurer Edition.

I give my character a helmet the same time I get my character full plate (which is another thing, I never start with full plate since that's late-game armor that should be customized to reflect dozens of sessions of characterization.)

>>52650532
>only +9 AC
>late game armor

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>>52650572

What else is my dex 14 Warder supposed to wear at level 7?

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>>52650614
Nothing, so he can die faster and you can reroll as a dexfriend and actually play the game the way the devs intended.

>>52650614
>level 7
>late game

>>52650482
I can't find it on the trove. Is there anywhere else I can get the PDF from?

>>52650255
...Rereading it, disappointed. It doesn't outright replace your constitution. Still, if you can come up with a fantastic story of why a level 1 guy can be a positive energy undead, you can take it. Figure out some way to justify being a low level zombie (a -1 hp soldier caught between the channel energy of a positive energy channeling cleric and a negative energy channeling cleric, the Neg. Energy killing him a split second before he was stuffed full of positive energy?) and pass it by your DM (you lose immunity to everything but bleed, poison, or sleep, and use Charisma in place of it, along with basic telekinesis). BUT potentially you can get a really fun, CHA to everything build as a non-evil undead. Maybe even a Solaire build of some sort? You just need to take it, Flashy Finesse, Noble Scion of War, and Mind Afire if going Roil Dancer.

>>52650656
The content of the book is up on the Spheres of Power wiki for some reason, not that I'm complaining.

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>>52650644

Wha-What I mean is you don't get BETTER than Full Plate! All you do is upgrade it! There ain't nothing better than Full Plate!

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>>52650453
I always wear helmets. Terrorize the enemy, look badass while doing it. Also, head protection is a must.

>>52650715
No in an abstracted system like Pathfinder.

>>52649788
>How do you imagine combat in Pathfinder? Something absurdly anime, or perhaps fantastical realism like pic related or maybe even raw n' gritty? Give us a look into the theater that is your mind!

Depends on the characters. My brawler/fighter/ranger just kinda smashes and smashes and smashes when fighting with little to no grace, my bard almost dances and the party usually becomes a blur in the background.

>>52650725
For fluff and flavor, silly. No self-respecting knight gallivants around with his mane flowing and his head wide open for stray arrows.

So I heard PLD logs were being shared willingly?

And that bon bon had a scene?

True/false?

Links?

>>52650725

Indeed, and since Pathfinder is abstract you could say you got hurt from a successful hit because the blow struck your noggin.

>>52650766

Bonbon got shared between three large humanoids until she was more cum than woman.

>>52650725
You can fluff all blocked attacks to your helmet if you want

>>52650809

L I N K S

>>52650725

Abstraction works both ways, anon.

If you're not wearing a helmet, than any major hit you get could be from getting hit in the head.

>>52650881
>The enemy orc swings his great club.
>it's attack roll hits your AC
>because you're not wearing a helmet, he smashes your head, caving in your skull. You instantly die. The orc says "GG EZ PZ TG"

>>52650935
Don't forget to have your whole family wear helmets.

>the enemy orc swings his great club
>its attack roll crits on your AC
>confirms
>hits your unborn children a hundred miles away, causing your wife to die of a miscarriage

>>52651138
This looks like a good idea at first anon, but if everyone wears helmets, then who will get hurt when the blows land?

>>52645751
>Does this guy literally have nanobot arms?
Only one arm, but yes. Machine element from Magitech Archetypes is a hell of a drug. Specifically the Technograft utility wild talent. Eventually it'll become a chainsaw.

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The space encounter thread reminded me that Starfinder will be a thing. Are there any campaign ideas being brewed already?

>>52650766
>>52650817
Can I ask, earnestly, do you really and truly care?

>>52651273
Not him, but I could use some nice wank material.

>>52651299
Don't bother

Its written in the past tense

Truly PLD was a mistake.

>>52651299
>nice wank material
>nice

And this was your go-to?

>>52651335
Not really, but more is always appreciated. Somebody getting reamed by trolls is right up my alley.

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>>52651225
>Are there any campaign ideas being brewed already?

Megacorporation is gearing up for war against another megacorporation over an almost perfectly sculpted system of extreme mineral, ecological and research value. Party plays the role of Johnsons, natives caught in the crossfire or outsiders looking for the opportunity to make a quick buck or get a continent for themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4zZqkWSQhQ

I don't know why, but I just can't get over loving the old trope of massive corporations whose inept policies and byzantine bureaucracy is kept afloat by having the government in their pocket, the frontier under their heel and a massive army of mercenaries and robotic soldiers.

What time periods are well suited sources of inspiration for Pathfinder campaigns?

>>52649788
Is there another way to heighten spells beyond the metamagic feat heighten spell?

>>52651406

Considering full plate is paired up alongside absolute monarchs and firearms?

16th century.

>>52651273

Yes.

>>52651412
Damn, I meant intensify spell.

Is there a way to move the spell caps beyond those five?

>>52651385
>someone posted armored core ost that wasn't me
holy shit who are you

>>52651317
This is a weird meme

>>52651519
Its not a meme, the sex is written in the past tense

Ruining it.

I didn't like Mari so i made a plant person

https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4757158/application-thread/?pageforid=4899358#post-4899358

>>52651489

I'm just a man that's a fan of good muzak, friend.

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>>52651573
God damn right

>>52651615
>>52651573
Don't forget that Starfinder has robots as a playable class. You could sirt-of play as your favorite mechs.

What race should I use for Ottoman Turks?

>>52651671
I used dwarves.

>>52651667
Aren't they just the same shitty 'human with neon lights' Androids we already have in Pathfinder, but now with 'muh gender neutrality' slapped on them?

>>52651671

Half-Orcs that obsess over their human half.

>>52651739
even if they are I'm still gonna run that AC campaign I said I would a few weeks ago

>>52651739

Not Androids. Mechs. Armored Cores.

Starfinder has confirmed Power Armor and mechanized armored bipeds.

>>52651667
No. No robot playable class. The classes are: Solarion, Mechanic, Technomancer, Soldier Operative, Mystic, and Envoy. However, android will be a core race.

>>52651568
I wanna water that plant.

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>>52651739

To be fair, gender is probably a bit more fluid when interchangeable parts are concerned.

Very Important Question

Ara-Ara, or Hora Hora?

>>52651845
Ghorans are canonically Delicious.

>>52651873
Do PF androids even reproduce? As far as I can tell no.

So there's no real reason to even bother to have gender roles or identities to begin with. Women are barefoot and in the kitchen because they're the ones who get prangent.

>>52651917
Uufufufufufufufufufu~

Or Ohohoho~

>>52651671

Hobgoblins.

>>52651671
Centaurs.

>>52651917
I'm not sure I understand the subtle difference.

>>52651953
They both piss me off, but honestly, the ohohoho girls usually are the ones in need of a hug and some actual affection.

>>52651917

Ara~ Ara~ with the occasional Ohohoho~

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>>52651932

Well, if they were designed to interact with organic humanoids, maybe it's helpful to look a bit like one-up to and including a gendered appearance.

>>52651983
one is a caring "my my"

the other one is what she says when she steps on people.

>>52650453
Just picked up a Maw of the Wyrm.
Helps that I ride a Dragon.

>>52651983

Funny. I just thought it meant they're a fox in disguise.

>>52651917
Yare yare daze.

>>52652016

That's why some Androids have breasts and a functional vagina, and the male Androids have dongs.

Only difference is neither of them can actually have kids, they get blown out of the Designated Splicing Streets of the nearby colony ship fragment and just wander into the nearest settlement.

>>52651932
They don't. The die of old age and it basically restarts them with a new personality and soul.

>>52652016
Oh, definitely make them look like one sex or the other to avoid uncanny valley. I'm just saying they wouldn't have our mores baked-in and have no reason to obey them except for lip service.

>TFW no android tomboy girlfriend who doesn't understand your desire to protect her and is brave and gallant
>TFW you will never see her secret submissive side holding hands and making love in bed

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>>52651873

I DON'T WANT PAIZO TO TALK ABOUT GENDER POLITICS IN THE VERY FIRST LINES OF THEIR EPIC SPACE OPERA.

I WANT TO READ ABOUT ANCIENT EVILS, INSIDIOUS ROGUE BLACK OPS DIVISIONS AND VAST EXPANSES OF UNCHARTED SPACE.

>>52652093
the play a different game. there's already tons of systems that do exactly those.

>>52652093
Paragraph three then? Gotta tackle gender eventually.

>>52652080

Anon, you just described a bog standard power bottom female martial.

They wouldn't even be tomboy, they'd just be a female-designed android with masculine qualities.

>>52651932
>>52651873
>>52651783
Dang it, now I'm imagining some souped up killbot in a tutu

>>52652093
That's why we are here, homiesaurus. We'll give you cute giant Beetles who don't want to step on you and crazy humans who want to purge the Galaxy whom you can shoot over and over

>>52652093
We;com,e to the 21st century of political correctness and hate.

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>>52652137

>>52652117

B-But Pathfinder's the system I know best, which means getting into Starfinder will be absurdly easy.

>>52652120
>Gotta tackle gender eventually

The Gender talk should be left for the books, not the reveal blurbs.

Emphasizing that shit as a core aspect of the race is sending a very wrong message about what they want to do with their setting.

>>52652080
So fucking tired of this "secret submissive side
anime bullshit. Some of us actually admire people for being active and daring. Just once I want someone here to try and come up with a character concept that doesn't devolve into
>but then I gib the penis
>she suddnely turn deredere
>den ahegao hurrr
>now she kawaii lil waifu makin me sammich
>shit was so cash

>>52652159
Lewd.

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>>52652093
>>52652161

Fair enough. There are certainly more interesting things about the game to discuss than robots identifying as attack helicopters. Though given the nature of AI, they probably could be uploaded to an attack helicopter.

What are some kinds of races/cultures you'd like to see that aren't covered by what we've learned of the core lineup?

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>>52652169
Problem?

>>52652177
But....aren't those six dots his eyes?

>>52652169
Plenty of those.

>>52652169
Nobody is like that all the time. If they were, it'd be really annoying. Plus, having a large difference between someone's public face and their private face is interesting.

>>52651777
My DM has promised me Mecha after we do a friends Strange Aeon campaign.

Was gonna do a Nineball theme since only 1 guy in the group would get it.

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>>52652177
>What are some kinds of races/cultures you'd like to see that aren't covered by what we've learned of the core lineup?

Space Feudalism.

A race of mobile coral whose "individuals" are avatars of a planet-sized "natural" supercomputer.

Sun worship - as in, C'tan-tier "our sun is a god" worship, maybe nebula worship too as they're effectively the wombs of the universe.

>>52652193
Power bottom warrior girls are one thing, and don't get me wrong, they're great. But jesus fucking christ, I can't be eating pizza and ice cream for every meal, we need something else.

>>52652211
This gap moe bullshit is getting out of control.

>>52652221
Sounds like a personal problem rather than a problem with the medium.

>>52652217
I'm gonna need more details and pics, preferably.

>>52652177
Macross style Giants always belong in Space Opera

>>52652161
It wasn't really emphasizing the race itself. They were more focused on the android iconic, who is agendered. Not all androids are agendered, just like not all people are cis-gendered. The specific android in question though, was agendered.

>>52652199

Yeah, but then he'd need a lot more eyebrows, and he'd have to figure out what to do with the middle row, and it's just a hassle that doesn't even really matter when most people just look at the vents under them instead.

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>>52652169

>mfw every time I get sexy ERP times with a PC they always turn into passive bottom bitches

I can count the number of female characters I've fucked that actually initiated or at least flirted right alongside mine on a single hand.

>>52652285
What were you expecting?

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>>52652271
>Not all androids are agendered, just like not all people are cis-gendered

So 99.7% of all androids are agendered?

>>52652221
I just want to play a serious woman who is willing to be cuddly, while not a stammering mess.

>>52652093
>not wanting to play genderfluid fuck robot
you can even be futa WITH balls

>>52652169
>tfw your PC has such an aversion to physical contact she's likely to stab someone before they can "stab" her
>this is less from some emotional backstory bullshit and more a reflex from the fact that EVERYTHING FUCKING GRAPPLES HER AND SHE'S SICK OF IT

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>>52652221
>He cannot customize his pizza and icecream flavors enough.

>>52652306

A little more passion? Some clever dialogue or their character actually taking the lead in the "I wanna fuck you" dance you always do before those encounters? It reminds me of Oglaf's definition of a submissive, where the girl expects you to do all the work and in return you get to dryly describe how you hump them while they go "oh oh oh."

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>>52652324

It's time for Mr. Fisto.

>>52652314
I think the problem is that the whole "secret submissive side" meme implies that there's no middle ground between OHH SENPAI I'M A SLAVE TO THE COCK NOW and GONNA CUT YOUR NUTS OFF CUZ THATS MUH FETISH.

Like, girl who wants to take the lead? Sure, fine. Girl who wants to cuddle and be cuddled after a hard day of commanding and fighting? Great. Someone who just wants an equal partner? Awesome.
But /pfg/ (and 4chan) being what it is, that all gets drowned out by memes.

>>52651845
>make a literal plant person

"I want to fuck that plant"

I give up /pfg/

>>52652314

I've played with one of those before, she was a 48 year old Paladin of Abadar that liked to wear black lipstick, had short silver hair, and had a serious thing for fine wines.

>>52652341
>F-List in a nutshell right there

>>52652308
Really depends on the gm. Say for instance we assume that androids are programmed to mimic humans. We can assume they would be only slightly less prone to the development of gender norms. However if they are not programmed with a prefered gender we can assume that far more androids would identify as agendered for lack of a compulsion to do otherwise.

>>52652341
being a good submissive is hard work tell u what

>>52652341
>passion
>cleverness
>taking the lead

In what world do you live in?

>>52652396
One with a terrible metaplot, shoddy RNG, and borked PVE rules?

>>52652364
See, I don't know if I'd even want to to be submissive. Secret Dom Side please.

>>52652418
You have your answer as to why you can't have it.

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Part of me wants to pull a /k/ on a player. Just badly describe the character using vague terms, then dropping this on them with some badly photoshopped space engines added to the side

>>52652395

Are you sure?

>>52652518
yes

>>52652526

I disagree, being a sub is easy.

>>52652538
being a good one is hard, especially when its text based

>>52652426

See, what you want is Pie.

Hard dominant exterior, but inside she's warm and sweet, but then you dig even deeper and her love and affection is just a way for her to guide the relationship so both of you are happy.

>>52652389

See, that's something which should come up with the DM, but we can distinctly see efforts on Paizo's part to glorify the gender differences of other races and canonize the spectrum.

It won't be up to the DM, the developers will explicitly have mention of how it should be in the race write-up.

>>52652574
That sounds great, honestly. Commanding/stern, then a little embarrassed when flirting/cuddly, but the one guiding while in bed.

>tfw no pie gf
kill me now.

>Bug race for Starfinder
>They aren't hive-minds
>Their quirky independence is emphasized
>They walk on TWO LEGS

REEEEE REEEEEE REEEEEE STOP THIS RIGHT NOW.

>>52652634
all insects are not ants anon

>>52652622

>Embarrassed

Anon please, she's a grown woman who knows what she wants from a man and isn't afraid to say it. She won't stutter, but she might purr.

>>52652651

Most insects walk on at least four legs! FOUR NOT TWO! THEY COULD HAVE CRAWLED ALL OVER THE GODDAMN WALLS. GAME OVER MAN.

>>52652651

But they definitely aren't humans.

>>52652653
>Adult myth
Confirmed for never actually sleeping with an adult. It's literally the same shit forever. Just better tech.

>>52652653
nah, she wouldn't stutter, just get a bit of a blush. She'd usually be the one telling, so asking is a bit unnatural.

>>52652616
To be honest it makes more sense to me that an android be agendered than have a specified gender, save for the android being designed for... entertainment purposes. Plus there's nothing to to wrong with having representation for other gender identities in fiction. It's not exactly the defining feature of the androids either. It's almost impossible it would be a racial feature, and it's a race of hyper-intelligent recently liberated robot slaves. The last thing I'm concerned about when a robot assassin is pointing a gun at me is what their psychological makeup looks like.

>>52652667
Anon's having a flashback. Someone do something.

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How do I stop myself from trying to kill almost everything every encounter?

I enjoy all the aspects of roleplaying but when we get into combat I feel an intense urge to murder everything as quickly and horribly as possible and I enjoy it. It's not that I want the loot or the exp, I just really want things to die. On top of that I tend to play support characters and mages which makes that really awkward.

Like I'll be playing a medic who I gave a dagger during character creation just because daggers are pretty useful tools, and then once we get into combat I draw it and fucking charge someone because I want to shove it in their throat.

Can I even fix this? Should stick to playing evil characters that actually do damage? Am I murderhobo?

>>52652693

Robots having gender works well for certain professions beyond sex, anon. Female Androids probably will find work in childcare or nursing.

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>>52652634
>>52652651
>tfw no scorpion to befriend

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>>52652710
Listen to your urges...your spells are of no use to you to sate them. You must have the feeling of stabbing the life out of them... AND REVEL IN THE SPILLING OF BLOOD!

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>>52652748
I know right

>>52652734
Really, you could expect that any AI would develop an idea of gender if it's exposed to other people enough. It might go "Hmm, masculinity has lots of appeal for me, given what else I'm programmed for, so I guess I'm a guy."

>>52652734
The fact that their masters programed certain preferential features into the first of their kind and then enslaved them sounds like all the more reason to disregard that programming, depending on the individual in question of course.

>>52652697

ALL I WANT IS A GODDAMN RACE THAT ACTUALLY FEELS LIKE IT CAME OUT OF A BRAIN WITH AN IOTA OF CREATIVITY.

OH WHOOPDIE DOO LOOK ITS THE RACE OF RANGER RICKS, SOMEBODY WATCHED GOTG! THERE BE THE ANDROIDS AND LASHUTANS, RACES ALREADY FROM OUR OLD GAME!

AND THE VESK ARE BORING CROCODILE THINGS WITH KLINGON HABITS. I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT.

I want hyper-religious birds for a race fine-tuned for Mystic ;_;

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>>52652748
>tfw no shrimp ninja buddy

>>52652771

Like African-Americans trying to insist they were Kings because Egypt is in Africa?

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>>52652748
>Sayaka

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>>52652792
Just try to relax. It's gonna be okay.

>>52652769
We should probably also remember we're talking about a theoretical advanced computer program, whose mind would be considerable alien to us. As a computer programmer, if I was going to try to mimic a human being, the last thing I'm thinking about are the qualities we ascribe to various genders. I'm going to start with more important qualities such as motor functions and memory/decision making capabilities.

>>52652710
Do yourself and your allies a favor and realize this: if all the enemies are dead, you cannot learn anything from them.

I have been watchign my vigilante game slowly spiral down into a dungeon crawl because my players automatically execute any potential prisoners, even when I have made it very obvious they could have taken the time and effort to tie them up and interrogate them (one of the cohort NPCs is literally the class INTERROGATOR for gods' sake's).

Don't be That Guy, anon. Be the better hero.

>>52652800
>muzzle
get the fuck out.

>>52652814

Then you're a pretty shitty programmer if you can't be bothered to fine-tune feminine or masculine traits alongside the basic shit.

That's like saying you can't be bothered to pretty up your house because you need to set up the TV.

>>52652748
>scorpion person
>using a bo staff
>Shaolin robes
>not using Scorpion Style, Mantis Techniques, or a chain weapon with something deadly at the end
I am upset.

>>52652766
>>52652800
Dang, looks like we have enough here to come out with a set of /PFG/ races for Starfinder.

>>52652792
Don't worry Hombre, we got you. We'll make a giant race of bird people, any beak type, hyper feudal, everything you could want.

>>52652852
We'll correct that with errata.

>>52652809

I'm just tired, sick and tired of seeing this promising foray into science fiction inundated with IDIOTS. I want these people to give us really alien motherfuckers, and the only one CLOSE to that are CLOSE because they have FOUR FRIGGIN ARMS.

That one thread has me wondering:
What are the options for social combat in PF? Like pumping Cha and fighting by just verbally putting down your enemies.

>>52652837
>muh muzzles

Get over yourself.

>>52652693
You are kind ofn missing the poitn behind the word "android" and also one of the core concepts of the android race, which is that they are humanlike (andros) and therefore should have gender characteristics, and that they are biological androids, similar in design to the androids of Aliens and the replicants of Blade Runner.

They aren't merely constructs.

>Androids are superficially identical to humans in many ways, and to the uninformed it can be difficult to differentiate the two. In the right light, though, androids’ alien nature is revealed by the metallic sheen in their eyes and the biological, tattoo-like circuitry that riddles their skin. Their bodies are completely artificial, though made of materials that mimic the flexibility, shape, and density of human flesh and bone. Their organs mirror those of humans so well that only by examining the materials and makeup of these systems—which use sheeny oils and polymer alloys rather than blood and marrow—could one guess that their physiology is alien. Androids are roughly the same size as humans; on average, they are 6 feet tall and weigh 200 pounds.

>>52652900
I think there's literally social combat rules in ultimate intrigue?

Are Elves in Starfinder? How can I play a humanoid race that isn't pretty and brown when Humans are... Well, humans and Lashunta are dumb tanned feminine warriors?

Like some of the freakier portraits from Stellaris under Humanoid.

>>52652901
>defending furries
get the fuck out

>>52652900
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/other-rules/social-conflicts/#Verbal_Duels

>>52652915
>an animal-folk race having actual animal features

how horrifying.

>>52652904

>Android women literally have fleshlights.

>>52652901
>>>/out/

>>52652848
Not really. Femininity and masculinity are honestly unnecessary characteristics in a robot made for service. It may be better to program specific traits that are considered feminine and masculine, mixing and matching for the best results. For instance, a robot programmed to care for a child should desire to prioritize the happyness of that child over their own welfare in a maternal manner, however a lack of negative empathy when the infant begins to cry might actually be preferable to enable more logical decision making and analysis. If the child begins to cry, a more detached reaction would be prefered for that robot to recognize instantaneously the problem with the infant.

>>52652933
>i'm acting like its still a decade ago on the internet, accept me 4chanman!

>>52652904
I'm pretty sure that they wanted to name them droids but found out that lucas films owned the right on that one.

>>52652938

See >>52652904

These aren't beep boop factory worker constructs. Androids are explicitly human-like robots, this means gender is vital.

>>52652927

Next you're going to tell me a sparkledog is acceptable.

>>52652953
Sorry anon but you'd be a faggot in any decade.

>>52652970
It isn't that they lack gender, it's that they don't conform to any one traditional gender norm. This can be found in humans as well. It's not vital, though programmers may give it preference depending on the way the starfinder androids were produced.

>>52652984
No. That shit is never acceptable
>>52652986
>please accept me 4chan, see i hate on furries, just like you did in the stories i hear! I want to be the internet hate machine!

>>52652938
Depends on how you imagine an AI would develop. Sure, it might still consider gender to be an unnecessary thing, but there's really no telling how it would end up after years, decades, or centuries of absorbing information.

Like, every writer and his dog has an idea of how AI is "supposed" to work, but having an AI as a character is a lot less interesting if you just keep going "Oh, it's inscrutable and alien! We can never understand it!"

>>52652900
3rd level deed for the human gunslinger archetype Buccaneer is a swift action to spew a bunch of pirate-y words at someone to force a will save or be confused. DC is 10+cha+1/2 gunslinger level. Requires that you know their language, though, which I imagine would often be a problem in verbal combat.

>>52652970
>this means gender is vital.

Oh yeah, knowing Bishop had a pee-pee was vital to the character, otherwise some drooling mongloids might have to think about things that are complicated

>>52653009

Asimov still has the best AI

>>52652912
You'll have to make your own, fampai.

>>52652984
I'd allow a Sparkledog, but only if they are playing a Genki girl who sells make up after school as a part time job.

>>52653006

>Sparkledogs are unacceptable
>But edgy skinny shrimp-people that don't have any shrimp traits beyond a tail are acceptable.

>>52652837
I would like to point out you never actually see it's mouth, and for all you know, that 'muzzle' is a mass of chelicera or a folding proboscis.

>>52653009
If I was planning on creating a slave race (I'm not a terrible person, honestly), I wouldn't develop it along the same lines as a species would develop through natural evolutionary processes. It'd just be a waste of time for less optimal results.

>>52653049
>i can tell they don't have shrimp traits because of a single picture

>>52653006
>my degenerate fetish is less degenerate because it's [current year] and not [previous year]
Faggotry doesn't age.

>>52652814
Don't androids in pathfinder have souls and can be healed by positive energy and all that nonsense?

Not that that automatically means the sci-fi ones will be the same, since presumably mechanics and rules for robots would be something that would now be required and you might as well use them for androids after that instead of lazily making them just humans.

>>52653029
As a matter of fact, it is vital to Bishop's character that he be gendered as male.

HE PRETENDED TO BE HUMAN.

A genderless construct can't fucking do that.

>>52653068
Yes. It explicitly says so.

>>52653006
>Hating on furries isn't justified
You're a long way from home, friendo

>>52653094
There's a difference between 'justified' and 'played out and boring'

>>52653068
We do know that the androids of starfinder will be produced by a company(companies?) in starfinder. The androids of pathfinder came from an alien world. The technic league wanted to study the androids of pathfinder so my theory is that they finally succeeded in creating their on androids in starfinder. They're evil enough to make a slave race.

>>52653101
>y-yelling at my degeneracy is played out

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>>52653101
The fact that it's boring to you means you're complacent. Up yours.

>>52653133
It kind of is though

Just boring at this point

>>52653135
Pretty much yes.

>>52653058
Star Wars logic.

The more you interact with an AI and the more it picks up as it tries to understand you, the more and more likely it will take on traits. Ina criminal give world, a regular butlerbot might become something out of Battpetech to defend itself and it's charge, or become more 'human' to blend in.

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Guys, need help. Trying to make pic related as a character for an upcoming relaxed one-shot, and not sure where to start since I don't normally play martials.

GM wants things as non-3rd party as possible, but is willing to make concessions.

>>52653141
just because it's boring doesn't make you less of a faggot. You're just a boring faggot.

>>52653160
Android race, pick a martial

>>52653150
This isn't star wars though. (Jedi? No! No! No! It's a Solarion! Totally different!)

>>52653178
Much obliged.

>>52653160
Paizo only, Android augmented with some Cybertech (Veemod goggles are a must) Sohei-Monk
Commonly accepted 3pp available
Psi-Blade if Psionics are available for tons of available weapons with different abilities
Close your eyes and pick any Initiator if PoW is available, probably go with Crimson Countess to stay as close to Taro's fetish as possible.
You're SoL if only SoP is allowed.
If you can do Spheres of Might, that's probably the closest you could get.

>>52653113

I kinda want to work on a custom setting with you guys now for Starfinder. We've got four months, and heaven knows we don't talk about anything constructive in the meantime.

>>52653249
If only SoP is allowed, an Armorist (Soaring Blade) or Elementalist (Electrokinetic) could do it. Or a Mageknight, if you wanna hate yourself.

>>52653249
>>52653293
Much obliged, I'll take a look at those and see if I can convince him.

>>52651225
Guardians of the Galaxy style adventure with a group of criminal misfits forced to work together to find a princess kidnapped by a Void Dragon trying to use her to awaken and summon the Outer Gods. Hilarity ensues.

>>52652800
Behold.

The furry cranial structure.

Admittedly they seem to be doing their best to not have to draw the dude's mouth, so maybe they do actually have a shrimpface.

But I doubt it.

>>52653194

Oh my god, I can almost imagine the committee where they talked about what they want in Starfinder,

>James Jacobs is busy shaking with excitement over his bug race
>Crystal Frasier is in a huff and insists they mention gender for Androids n' such
>Jessica Price just watched Guardians of the Galaxy, so she's thinking a small race of raccoo- no, RATS would be good.
>Meanwhile another pot-bellied fellow who watched too much sci-fi starts shooting off about Jedi and Star Trek

>>52653353
who knows

We can always use our imagination anon!

>>52653357
>ratfolk a small and smart race have never been in pathfinder, or really any tabletop game before

>>52653255
When the starfinder monster info preview free rpg book comes out, I want to use it to do a pathfinder adventure in which breaches have started to appear on golarion (whatever caused the gap has reverberated throughout Golarion's timeline or some excuse like that.) and aliens from all over starfinders galaxy are being sucked through small instantaneous wormholes and appearing in golarion. You think those goblins you fight were harmless? This one's got a laser rifle. Good luck.

>>52653255
Sounds good.

I'd vote for a colony ship, like in Macross Frontier, or some city in a Meteor that's leaving the main setting. That way you can have wild amounts of aliens showing up.

>>52653405

That sounds more like a campaign than a setting!

What /pfg/ games are recruiting right now? Did that one anon who wanted to make a Fire Emblem game disappear?

>>52653388

Could have been bugs with Gestalt intelligences where their mental scores increase the more of them are around.

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I want to play a plucky gnoll kineticist girl who learned from a human slave what it meant to be good, and loves art! Is this art too furry, /pfg/?

>>52653518
too complex for a player race, and encourages entire parties for twinking mental stats

crunch maters

>>52653150

Anon... You're giving me the urge to play a stuffy space Noble and his Android butler/maid.

>>52653455
It's just an excuse to take people away from the main setting. Keep it vague and it can be a den of scum and villainy sending troublemakers to the Galaxy at large or the last bastion of good news holding back the dark, and everything in between.

Tl;Dr it's just a city in space with blackjack and hookers being optional

>>52653547

>He doesn't want to play gimmick teams

>>52653587
There's a difference between 'gimmick' and 'unquestionably the best choice'

>>52653623

Maybe they're very squishy?

>>52653623
>>52653518
Wouldn't it be annoying to cart enough members of the species on the ship to keep the bonuses going?

>>52653525
Feel like the Gnoll being the slave since birth would fit better.

>>52653704
No, that's probably trivia and standard practice among the race.

>>52653720
Unless they're all Small or even Tiny sized, I meant it might be annoying to the rest of the group

>>52651873
>YOU LOVED HIM AS BENDER.
>NOW
>PREPARE TO HATE HIM
>AS
>THE GENDER BENDER!

>>52652093
This in so many ways. And the EASIER it is to switch sexes, the less it should ever in any way be an issue to anyone in the setting. You never hear about this shit on Star Trek, but then again you never hear about this shit when people haven't literally run out of problems otherwise.

>>52653704
A gnoll girl who was being groomed to become a priestess of Lamashtu? Her parents bought her a slave to serve her, from whom she learned how nice it was to be Good, and the beauty of art? She ran away from home after that? It could be cute

>>52652371
I just want to brush her fronds and lick her pistil.

Why do paizo devs do so much SJW/virtue signalling stuff, when the tumblr crowd is all way into 5e because stranger things

>>52653865
Salads aren't for lewding

>>>/gw2g/

>>52653882
It's nice to have characters depicted that remind one of themselves. It helps sell books. Nothing terrible or strange about depicting a minority group of a population, at least no weirder than spellcasting robots and laser sword wielding mouse people.

>>52652389
For an android to have 'gender issues' they would literally have to be programmed to hate themselves.

Any creator doing that is a motherfucking assholes. Yes, plural. Any normal android should be completely comfortable in its own body as far as any non-efficiency point of view goes. If it isn't, it's probably pining for a bigger reactor, or hydraulic treads instead of stupid things with toes.

Whether that's a Vacuum-cleaner attachment or a Fleshlight port down there probably doesn't even register on the list of things they'd want to swap for better bits.

For one thing maybe they'd much rather the bits become funnels. They have the processing capacity they're sure.

>>52653787
The rest of the group is also going to be hive mind bug people.

>>52653854
It would have to happen at a young age. Anything older than 'Teenager' and a worshipper of Lamashtu would strike me as someone at home in Drow Tales.

>>52652515
Can it be Beam Rotors like in Victory Gundam?

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>>52653942
>bits
>funnels

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>>52653962
>Victory Gundam
>Not Rebels Season 2

>>52653525

It is incredibly furry, anon. But hey, you do you.

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>>52653865

>>52653942
It's not a really "gender issue" in an accepting society. I've a friend who is psychologically predisposed not to favor one gender over another. They seem fairly societally adept. They definitely don't like it when a person harrasses them because of it, but that's not really a viable reason for them to try to hide who they are.

>>52653958
Alright, if you can convince a group of people to try it, I'd run it. But I'm sure Starfinder would have more anti-magik/psyker tools available.

>>52653960
What is Drow Tales? I think I've heard of it. Its a concept that needs a lot of work, admittedly

>>52654005
The race actively incentivizes everyone to play more of that same race for stat boosts
Also
>paizo
>anti-magic

>>52654005
Remember that there aren't any full caster's in starfinder. The two caster's, technomancer and mystic, only go up to 6th level spells, with other abilities to augment their class. So no all powerful full casters in core starfinder.

>>52652734
Wow that's fucking offensive.
You might as well be claiming that the only men who don't categorically hate all children are the pedophiles.

Plus with robots the male can just use a bottle; it'll be the same synthetic milkstuff either way.

Added bonus: some mothers might worry about the baby bonding with a wetnurse more than with themselves (and if she's leaving it to a fucking wetnurse that's exactly what tended to happen because apparently she can't be bothered to even do that much) and would probably see the male model nursing-bot as a safer alternative

>>52654009
A prehistoric webcomic from the dark era of the internet. We don't talk about it anymore.

If you still desire forbidden knowledge, seek out /co/ and inquire there. But be wared, what is learned may never be unlearned.

May you find peace on your journey.

>>52653392

Watch out, Kevin will be scrutinizing your every move.

>>52653983
It is cute though! The rest of the gnoll/hyena art I could find was all straight up porn or had a titty too many to post here!

>>52654033
Isn't it just "normal" sci-fi/fantasy porn comic.

>>52653865
DON'T FUCK PLANTS

What kind of underwear do you think Quinn wears?

>>52654055
Shut up Lorax. I'll stick my dick where I want! Including that stump you're standing on!

>>52654009
You need something to kick them off. Something happening to her that gets her to move. Just one big event and it'll be fine.

>>52654059
Ask one of the gnolls.

>>52654055
Isn't the pistil usually considered the male plant equivalent? I think "She" might be he. Not judging.

>>52654061
A little respect for the forest, please.

>>52654059
Bloomers

>>52654059
Kill yourself

>>52654059
Crotchless. For ease of access. For the gnolls.

>>52654071
Aren't most plants hermaphroditic?

>>52654071
Remember that most plants have both male and female parts.

>>52654059
None

>>52653079
Data was also "fully equipped" and programmed with numerous techniques.

In fact his assurance that he was "completely functional" got him laid.

>>52654077
Oh I'll respect the forest alright. I'll spurt my respect juice all over its face and chest!

>>52654114
My heartwood, blighted.

>>52654106
Ya but... data has a tongue and hands. Need any more functionality be added?

>>52654064
I've been thinking of it...

>Her parents kill her slave for being disrespectful, which then gets her to use her k i n e t i c powers to escape and get people to stop taking slaves?
...And that's it. Would that work?

>>52653982
Well one of these did come over 20 years before the other...

>>52654132
Take it you planty slut! TAKE IT ALL!

>>52654144
Yes. This exact thing would do.

Congrats Anon, I knew you had it in you.

>>52654171
this is not the water i wanted

this is not the water i wanted at all

>>52654171
Hey, how're you... lichen it?

>>52654190
It's not what you wanted, but it's what you deserve

>>52654195
I am almoss satisfied.

>>52654176
Fantastic. I like kineticist and I wanted to play a kinetic knight gnoll so this is a good opportunity to do that! Gnolls CAN be cute!

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>>52654205

Gnolls aren't cute, they're big, mean, and gross!

>>52654228
And they raped Quinn! Forget the toll, kill a gnoll!

>>52654228
No! They can be cute! They just need a bath and a grooming and a hug and a religious conversion to Shelynism! Gnolls CAN BE CUTE!

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>>52654203
I just wanted to be a plant person

>>52654253
And it just sort of sprouted from there.

>>52654246
>RORY-SIZED DICKS

>>52654228
Then why'd you post a cutie?

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I should get back to working on my race of robots.

I mean, they're the only race I have backstory thoughts on at all. Well outside of the oil-people, but the only thing I know about them is that their leader is a mysterious, never-aging baron only referred to as The Baron.

General idea was that a society built robots to basically fill the role of people, because like humans, they'd developed socially to the point that it needs to be a certain size to sustain itself. So when their population began to drop off, they needed bodies to bulk it out and prop it back up.

But because they were meant to incorporate into an existing society, the Dr Light-level smartass who programmed and designed them to actually replicate people. So they had personality, gender, etc. They couldn't even be built wholesale by anyone except him, since he basically spaghetti-coded the basic AI together.

They COULD reproduce between themselves though. Copying one's AI in its entirety is no go, but you can copy half of one, half of another, smoosh them together, and let the debugger sort it out over the next while (A sort of infancy). Said debugger is the only thing people can solidly isolate, since it was a later addition after they dragged geniusman out of his basement and bullied him into proper coding practices.

And so basically the race that made them eventually went the way of the dinosaurs, and left their society to their robotic children species.

>>52654253
Don't get rooted in that one idea.
You need to branch out.

>>52654253
you can. You'll just have to accept all the watering you'll get. From everyone. So much water. Gushing inside you. straining your pistils. Drenching your leaves. Soaking into your roots.

>>52654253
Now we're getting to the root of the problem.

>>52654252

But anon, if you make them nicer and cleaner, they won't be such great footballers anymore.

>>52653882

Because they're shit at mechanics so they're competing with WotC, who are okay at mechanics and just as SocJus if not worse by virtue of their market share.

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>>52654302
>>52654300
>>52654296
>>52654268
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A PLANT PERSON MAKE IT STOP

>>52653926

But where's the character that depicts a white dude? Everyone revealed so far are either freaky alien things or women.

>>52654360
In all honesty, even without the inclusivity, I still prefer pathfinder mechanics over 5th edition mechanics.

>>52654318
THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE LOSS

>>52653851

Imagine being a transsexual in the 25th century and trying to insist you're happy without the gene-modding or seamless, "natural" modification surgery they could've done throughout your entire developing life so you are in fact an XX woman, or XY man.

>>52654377
Well since the iconics are going to be one of each race and class. It's impossible to have a human white male while following those rules and keeping the current human envoy iconic. Doesn't really need to be a white male iconic for once. I've seen enough people who look like me in various media for a lifetime.

>>52654415
Well I'd imagine it would be nice to be able to change your chromosomes to your psychological gender. I'd be pretty pissed to live my whole life only to have someone finally discovered such a helpful technology.

Which meme characters would /pfg/ find significantly less interesting if their gender was switched? Which would be more interesting?

>>52654272
Yay inchworms.

>>52654272

STUPIDLY
ENORMOUS

What would be a greataxe in real life?

>>52654377
>But where's the character that depicts a white dude?
The villain.

>>52654368
So cute.

>>52654479

Onryou would get really boring.

>>52654505
I think the villain are a hive mind of insectoid aliens, *sarcasm* so... ya. White people. *sarcasm*

>>52654479
Onryou. Nobody cares about the fat punchguy.

>>52654479
... Probably just Onryou, Rory is equally uninteresting as a female.

>>52654368
And I just want to bully you. And plant some seeds in you. Consensually.

>>52654502
A Dane Axe?

>>52654479
Valeriya. Take away her character art and /pfg/ wouldn't have made her a meme.

>>52654431

Considering how demographics and popular media is going, you won't ever have to worry about seeing white men again.

>>52654558
>topless muscle wolfgirl
I dunno. Might have some meme appeal.

>>52654565

Then she's just Bruce Wayne without the dead parents!

>>52654535
>>52654545
>>52654558

>Not wanting a big, red, strongfat drinking buddy/best friend to go on awesome adventures with

Your loss, anons.

>>52654560
honestly besides that memeing I'm just looking at the character and seeing more and more that they don't need the vigilante stuff

The alignment shit is neat, but overall irrelevant.

>>52654479

>Which would be more interesting?

Casimir.

>>52654565
Are you kidding? Not!Batman pursuing the MILF that is Fem!Casimir would be even more popular on /pfg/ than the current Valemir pairing.

>>52654479
God the memes would be even more insufferable if we had a foxgirl instead

>>52654567
Not really possible. Humanity is at the point in our population where while percentages of white people may decrease comparative to the overall population, the number of caucasian individuals will still increase with the rest of the increasing population.

>>52654577
>>52654589
>>52654596
The story checks out!

>>52654579
Word.
Onryoki would be an awesome bro.

>>52654603
>Shay-man has a threesome with Etan and Rubio

What a fucking Chad.

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>>52654407

Is it though? There's some serious competition ahead.

>>52654479
Every character from RotJR would be less interesting.
So would every character from Dragons 1 and 2.
...Just every character. So many of them were made just for memes, that nobody really would know what to do with them if they weren't a gender- and race-locked meme.

>>52654637
>they do a reverse spitroast on Shayman.
>Etan and Rubio kiss each other and hold hands/grope each other's chests.
>Eiffel Tower meme exists in both timelines.

>>52654655
Shayman is the ultimate chad

>>52654654
>Dragons 2
>Brejika, the perma loli tiefling
I don't know how to feel about this.

>>52654654
Rinka would actually not change at all.

Sexless weirdo from male to female, big whoop.

>>52654574
It definitely would. And technically, it could also be canon

>STUPIDLY
>ENORMOUS
>WOLF
>TITS

>>52654574
>You will never read the logs between /ss/ aurora and aggressive tittymonster rory

W H Y

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>>52654637
>>52654655
>>52654671
>not wanting some 3-way /u/ ratcatching action

Gotta go catching rats in all the basements, anons!

>>52654479
>Less interesting
Onryou
Gloriana
Aster and Tia (somehow)
Doll
Song Lilin
Rinka
Corwin

>More interesting
Aranha
Casimir
Rubio
Essa

>>52654567

Luckily our planet will die before it comes to that.

>>52654733
>Doll and Rinka

I disagree with both of these

>>52654415
I'll do you one worse:
Imagine NOT being a transsexual in the 25th century and *having* to insist you're happy without the gene-modding or seamless "natural" modification surgery to become something else entirely.

>oh my Q, anon never had a transchange. Xer must be suicidal and otherwise doubleplus-ungood-thinks from the happynots.

>but... I... like my penis.

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>>52654715
>/ss/ aurora

>>52654637
The Shayliss encounter becomes far creepier in this genderbent universe.

>>52654753
>Hey baby, wanna 'catch some rats' in my basement?

I think you just play it up as a straight up proposition, a-la netflix and chill

>>52654733
Ruby Redgrave has an OHOHOHOHO laugh.

Onryoki just wants to be some girl's prince and carry her away to live happily ever after. But he's too used to assuming people will think he's a rapey asshole.

>>52654474
you wouldn't even have a "psychological gender" difference if you had actual work and worries in your life.

>>52654368
There was this one doujin I read where the plant girl was begging the guy to come inside her, but he got worried and pulled out, and then she freaked. Turned out she could just eat the stuff down there, but now it all soaked right through her skin and knocked her up.

.... It was pretty hot.

>>52654774
STOP

>>52654747
>Tittymonster Rory

Oh ah'm laffin'

>>52654774
Link it? Or give a searchable term for Sad Panda?

>>52654774
The spider plant cringed as its owner brought forth the watering can. "I am a spider plant!" it cried indignantly. "How dare you water me before my time! Guards!" it called. "Guards!"

Borin, its owner, placed the watering can on the table and looked at it. "You will be watered," he said.

"You do not dare to water me!" laughed the plant.

"You will be watered," said Borin.

"Do not water me!" wept the plant.

"You will be watered," said Borin.

I watched this exchange. Truly, I believed the plant would be watered. It was plant, and on Gor it had no rights. Perhaps on Earth, in its permissive society, which distorts the true roles of all beings, which forces both plant and waterer to go unh appy and constrained, which forbids the fulfillment of owner and houseplant, such might not happen. Perhaps there, it would not be watered. But it was on Gor now, and would undoubtedly feel its true place, that of houseplant. It was plant. It would be watered at will. Such is the way with plants.

Borin picked up the watering can, and muchly watered the plant. The plant cried out. "No, Master! Do not water me!" The master continued to water the plant. "Please, Master," begged the plant, "do not water me!" The master continued to water the plant. It was plant. It could be watered at will.

The plant sobbed muchly as Borin laid down the watering can. It was not pleased. Too, it was wet. But this did not matter. It was plant.

"You have been well watered," said Borin.

"Yes," said the plant, "I have been well watered." Of course, it could be watered by its master at will.

"I have watered you well," said Borin.

"Yes, master," said the plant. "You have watered your plant well. I am plant, and as such I should be watered by my master."

>>52654733
>Onryoki wants to carry a princess away on a white horse
>Glorious can heal you with the gentle touch of his masculine arms
>Aster and Tio are the twins from Ouran High School Host Club
>Corwinna takes Onryou's place as the golden girl

>Aranho remains exactly the same
>Essa remains exactly the same
>Casimira goes "ara-ara"
>Ruby still just wants to have friends, now uses a scythe instead of a sword