MTG Modern General

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Also can Wizards stop printing fucking strictly EDH only cards at mythic and rare? Seriously their faggot format gets so much fucking support and then they have to be half the main set as well god I hate EDH autists so fucking much.

>>52585494
The mythic rare was originally intended to be for cards which were:
>Legendary
>Planeswalkers
>Had huge splashy effects

Please switch off your Stockholm Syndrome and quit complaining that the rare cards aren't competitive staples you fucking dolt.

>>52585511
They don't have to all be competititive staples, just 1 fucking playable card for fucks sake

>>52585526
Why do you think staple cards should be at mythic and rare? Also just so you know, that 3 mana blue enchantment is actually pretty nuts. You can cast stuff that costs less than the X, which means after a few turns you just get to cast whatever free spell every turn. That's pretty nuts really.

>>52585556
And you can cast (not suspend) Ancestral Vision the turn you put it down, because it's a 0 CMC card.

>>52585556
I don't necessarily think staples should be at mythic and rare, but that's the way Wizards does it. And I really don't see that new card panning out desu

>>52585526
The new R 1/2 prowess at rare is absolutely playable in burn

>>52585593
Compare
>T1 Guide swing for 2
>T2 Swfitspear Bolt swing for 4

To
>T1 Guide swing for 2
>T2 New Dude Bolt swing for 2

Lack of haste is a very big deal. Eidolon gets away with it because his damage has pseudo haste. Lavamancer gets away with it because he's fucking NUTS.

>>52585593
Lmao no it's not at all you stupid bitch.
Swiftspear is better in every single imaginable way, there's no room for that card at all. Also burn is a fucking gay deck.

>>52585593
in standard burn maybe

Asking again
>>52585164

>>52585692
What is this "Dredge" you speak of? I hear it used to be a kind of a deck a long time ago

>>52585494
EDH doesn't want that shit. That shit is for draft and kitchen table casual.

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>>52585623
Implying you ain't gay for taking in the butt from it.

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So what will they ban from storm this time? Also I want all you fags who said it was shit to show your face.

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>>52585733
That one.

>>52585748
It was and is shit
>I need to untap with an x/2-3 in lightning bolt and death's shadow running rampant: the format in order to do anything before turn 4-5 when there are faster combo options around

>>52585593
It's cute, but bad.
Only real good thing about it is that now you can searing blaze/blood a kitchen finks and not get feelbads

>>52585759
>faster combo options
Like what?

>>52585753
The mtg goldfish meta is retarded

>>52585790
>5-0 modo lists and big events
No it's not.
>>52585782
Grishoalbrand, Ad Nauseam, Titan Shift Breach, Amulet Titan

>>52585748
>lower than a deck that just got a ban
wow, how impressive. 1 in every 35 games, when will modern be free of this menace

>>52585800
Literally none of those decks are faster except grishoalbrand which is a shitty meme, also
>Amulet titan
Well memed

>>52585790
the MTGO meta just moves super fast

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>>52585812

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Am I right thinking this is a nice card for storm and burn? Gives storm an alternate win con to get the damage in in case a leyline is out and Burn can finally weaken big shit that it can't outright kill.

>>52585812
It's important to understand a deck's speed as a function of its goldfish turn and immunity to interaction, storm folds to yard hate, any kill spell AND sufficient discard, the listed decks only to at most two of those, Ad Nauseam being postboard (Leyline) pretty well off vs anything except a faster goldfish.

>>52585593
Well memed, my shitposting comrade.

What shall we throw next for carcasses, commandant?

>>52585832
i agree on the second part but woudnt monastery swiftspear be way better as alt con for storm?

>>52585817
Ad nauseum is not faster than storm you fucking tard, it's just hard for storm to beat because of Angels grace and the pact of negation, storm is a turn faster than ad nauseum and you're a retard and have never played either, also ad naus is more resilient and nullifies removal, which is why it is played. Titanshift is a better all around combo deck, yes I'll agree with that, but seriously kill yourself if you want to argue grishoalbrand and amulet titan are faster or better. They're faster 1/10 times and slower the other nine, just cause they are capable of going off turn 2 doesn't mean they are

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>>52585855

>>52585835
>storm folds to any kill spell or disruption
Yeah stopped reading there

>>52585876
I forgot that in MCL anything wins through everything.

>>52585869
Great response, really showed me with that hot Jonah Hill meme

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>>52585892

>>52585851
Presumably this has value since you grapeshot the board and not care about indestructible. Swiftspear is great, and probably better overall but I imagine Soul-scar has it's own value.

>>52585886
Storm is really, really redundant. You can grapeshot for 17 if you know what you're doing through a kill spell. And discard isn't the worst, yes if they hit you with 3 discards it's pretty bad, but the deck does not fold at all to 1 thoughtseize or even 2. Yeah grave hate is bad though. I'll take it you just never played the deck

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"Approach of the Second Sun"
6W
Sorcery
If Approach of the Second Sun was cast from your hand and you cast another spell named Approach of the Second Sun this game, you win the game. If not, you gain 7 life and put Approach of the Second Sun back into your library as the 7th card from the top.


Can I reverberate this?

>>52585982
No I can't I'm a retarded fuck

>>52585982
You can but it won't win you the game

>>52585982
I hope this isn't real. Instant win cards are Fucking stupid

>>52586009
What, you don't like alternate win conditions?

>>52586009
yeah I hate when wizards prints completely unplayable garbage too

>>52585982
Just EDH my set up senpai

>>52585556
it would be if there were any good spells

>>52586492
>There's not good spells in Modern
wat

>>52585832
>actually thinking this card will see play in storm
This is Kithkin level retarded.

>>52586492
Mythic: Just thoughtsieze, but doesn't cost 2 life

>>52586553
>not costs 0 mana, requires a swamp and costs 4 life
You weren't thinking of something other that death shadow being the best deck where you?

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So when do we get Astral Slide V.2?

>>52586644
>Sorcey speed 6 mana do nothing draw 3
Ebin

>>52586718
To be fair, if you hit seven cards with that draw three, you can still have plenty of plays at instant speed left.

>>52585623
You're a gay deck

>>52586758

If you're at 7 mana with 5 cards in hand, you're probably already winning in modern.

>>52586644
I'd say that this looks like this will be the worst set for years to come, but I'm not that optimistic.
At least it can't make the game worse considering how useless 99% of the cards are.

>>52586927

Sorry 6 I'm retarded

Basically the only deck this could be played in is a Tron payoff and it's not nearly worth it I don't think unless we get some REALLY nasty cycler

>>52585494
>wah people play different formats then me wahhh

>>52585623
Every person who hates Burn is a faggot who cant win against it usually Tron players

>>52587130
>the first 1 mana cycler in the set is a ducking 3/3 in white
They really don't want to make living end good, hot damn

>>52587134
You know it would be better for people who play EDH if the playable cards they got were common right?
I guess it wouldn't be relevant if EDH players generally allowed proxies, or is the reason people play the format just to show off their wealth?

>>52586644

Fluctuator, you look... bad

>>52585982
Wow, this shit is going to be dumb as hell in EDH

>>52587316

"please kill me within 7 turns' is not really that good an effect

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>>52585453
Umm, made a deck. can i get some opinions on it? its probably shit but idc worth a try. its green/black
>lands
Swamp X 7
Forest x 11
Foul orchard x 2
golgari guildgate x1

Instants

murder x 1
Borrowed Malevolence x 1
Grapple with the past x1
Appatite for the natural x1
Confront the unknown x1

Sorcerys
Prey upon (holo & non holo) x2
Inceremental growth x1
Larger than life x2
Mindrot X1
Muderous compulsion x1
Macabe waltz x1

Artifacts
Profetic prisim X2

Enchantments
Dying wish (holo) x1
Oakenform x1

Creatures
Nightmare x1
Soul of the harvest x1
Tireless tracker x1
Yahenni Undying partisan x1
Watcher in the web x2
Wild wanderer X2
Olivias Dragoon x2
Lawless broker x1
Sengir vampire x1
Arborback stomper x1
hamlet captan x1
Intrepid provisioner X1
Crossroads concentrator x1
Kujar seedsculptor x1
Somberwald stag x1
Quilled wolf x1
Peema outrider x1
Ovalchase daredevil x1

I probably should have made a pastebin of this....

>>52587332

ghost quarter their land. etc

commander has plenty of shuffle effects. but odds are they're just going to second sun and dig through time after. so idk I don't play degenerate commander I play Kaho

>>52587332
Looting, mass drawing, windmill effects and plenty of other things go incredibly well with this card.

I've been able to go through 20 cards off the top in commander games

>>52587271
>the first 1 mana cycler in the set
how's that rock house treating you?

>>52586553

mythic
B
Target player reveals his or her hand.
You choose a card in it. That player discards that card.

>>52587353
Yeah, this is pretty terrible.

This is the comptitive modern general.

>>52587554
make it exile actually, loxodon smiter is too strong

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>modern: brews edition

I can't believe someone validated my deck by putting it on this.

>>52587558
Any tips/card to get to make it better?

>>52587551
I'm sorry, there's a blue cycler for 1 mana that's even worse.

Unless you're talking about the other cards with cycling that living end does not want to play because they aren't creatures. But that can't be it because you'd know that, right?

>>52587589
opps all spells isn't a modern deck

>>52587353
Start with getting a mana base senpai, lands are real important

>>52587607
That depends. Are you on a budget, and if so, what is it?

>>52587664
so 24 manas then?

>>52587677
uum, i dunno. $200?

>>52587719
With only $200, you won't be able to do much.

You could buy mono green stompy, but that won't help you with deckbuilding.

What Avenue are you looking to play modern, kitchen table or at your LGS?

>>52587719
For 200$ you can't have a legitimate modern deck. I'm sorry senpai. And the thing about black green in modern is, the cards are real expensive. What's your playstyle? I could refcomend some budget decks, but there's really no helping that first on you posted

>>52587642

Twoo tried it, like everything

https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/modern-all-spells-no-lands/

>>52587719
If you're set on GB, I have to inform you that decent decks in those colors easily break the $1K mark, and can get up near $2K pretty commonly. The saddest part is, it's only three or four playsets in the deck(s) that really jack the price up.

There are some decent budget decks, and while indeed you won't do great at big competitive things, you could place at smaller things like FNM if you're a good player.

>>52587768
>>52587766
well, im a bit new (know how the game works) but im liking more controlling playstyle, and im getting a bit of a kick out of all the point and click delet cards in it. and yea i had a inkling on how shit the deck was. shame too.

>>52587807
Soo, unless i have giant piles of cash to burn green/black is a nono then?

>>52587840
i meant to say point and click delet cards in the black cards

>>52587840
Pretty much yeah. GB is unfortunately probably THE most expensive combination of colors in the format currently. If you are set on GB though, you could take a look at GB Zombies or Death Cloud:

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-98-39-tix-modern-gb-zombies
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-87-37-tix-modern-death-cloud

"Paper" is the actual price, "Online" is the price if you're buying for MTGO.

>>52587353
>>52587719
okay, so modern is ruthless. its a format in which decks are winning by turn four and your deck isn't doing anything to win by then, or to stop the opponent from doing it. so for this your deck needs a plan, and for it to be able to follow a plan it needs consistency in its cards. you need to have 3 and 4 ofs the cards that will allow you to follow that plan the best, instead of just 1s and 2 ofs. green/black for example, usually follows the plan of grinding the opponent by removing all of his threats and then beating face to end the game quickly. green/black decks in modern usually need very expensive cards to be able to hold up with the meta, so you might want to look into another color combination.

I would suggest you looking through some of these decks and picking one that has a tier 1 or 2 version so you can upgrade over time.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/decks/budget/modern#paper


if you don't care about being competitive and you just want to play green/black, then some cards I'd recommend you look at are: Fatal Push, Scavenging Ooze, Thragtusk, Inquisition of Kozilek, Primal Command, Blooming Marsh, Abrupt Decay, Harmonize, Dismember.

hope this helps

>>52587840
Even for the removal and hand disruption in BG, you're looking at $5 a card, which becomes $100 of your $200 right there. Then lands are going to be well over $200 and the beaters/planeswalkers for those colors are already over $80 each.

>>52585982
It would be good with As Foretold. IDK about modern but standard it seems playable as a control set up

>>52587901
>>52587906
ty guys
im willing to look into other decks/mana combos, how good is red/white?

>>52587963
its not bad. you could play boros burn, which is a good deck and can be built for relatively cheap, and upgrade it over time. or if you are more into creatures you could play Norin sisters/stake sisters.

>>52588033
ok, i'll look into it.

Thank you guys for all your help

Also checked

>>52587963
Red/White is alright, but becomes much stronger if you add Green to it...in fact, those are the colors for the current Tier 1 burn deck. Most versions will cost around $600~700 when fully made, but you could build up from monored burn (which is fairly cheap) into it, if you like blowing things up:

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-burn-34574#paper

(Also note, you can (and honestly should) remove the scalding tarns from the linked list here and save $200.)

If you want a decent mono-red list, ask and ye shall receive. For some reason no one online has a decent one up.

>>52588088
Yeah, the landbase there is all sorts of fugged. You can shave a good $250 or $300 off the deck by reworking the lands. You'd also probably want to rejigger that sideboard too.

>>52588088
>>52588033
I have a deck a friend built for me around dovin bann, but will probably post it later

>>52588153
I wouldn't run it, that deck will definitely be catching a ban soon.

>>52588189
k

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>>52588199
You're really trying to tell me this card won't get baanned?

>>52588189
Not sure if pun or bait

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>>52586009
Ultimate meme cards.

>>52588224
i just said k, as in k i wont mess with it

>>52588245
>>52588153

he's fucking with you. dovin baan is not that good of a card

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Why is Baneslayer a bad and unusable card?
>beats burn
>beats the big 5 toughness guys
>dodges bolt and push
???

>>52588317
>5 mana no etb
There's your answer

>>52587963
>>52588033
>>52588051
>>52588088
>>52588138

This is the only burn deck you'll ever need for this format:

RGW Burn:

Creatures (14):
4 Goblin Guide
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
2 Grim Lavamancer

Spells (28):
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Boros Charm
3 Lightning Helix
3 Atarka's Command
3 Searing Blaze
3 Skullcrack
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt

Lands (18)
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Arid Mesa
4 Stomping Ground
4 Sacred Foundry
2 Mountain

Sideboard (15):
3 Kor Firewalker
3 Path to Exile
4 Destructive Revelry
2 Deflecting Palm
3 Molten Rain

$557 on Goldfish.

>>52588317
Needs
>ETB, exile a non-angel creature

>>52588316
k

>>52588317
It's not completely unusable, it can win you games as a sideboard card in UWx Control. People often leave in Path and Terminate G2 just for Colonnade though, so you have to be careful just slamming it T5. I prefer to run a big 'walker like Gideon or Elspeth.

>>52588317
In the words of a great philosopher, "You're too slow". It's in that shitty spot where it's too expensive to play in aggro decks, and too small to play in decks like tron where they have fatter options they can get out pretty much as easily.

>>52587719
Don't play modern. Unless you're willing to shell out for a cancerous format where it costs an arm and a leg for cards that realistically could get the axe anyday, it's just a bad decision. Play EDH/Pauper. Safer formats that are better for people on budgets and newerish to mtg.

>>52588597
>desperate faggots from dead meme formats trying to poach fresh blood

Fuck off

>>52588317
>beats burn
after turn 6? you're dead to burn by then

>beats the big 5 toughness guys
what 5 toughness creatures are relevant in modern?

>dodges bolt and push
so, yeah it has that going for it. still, that little upside doesn't compensate for its downsides. its too slow for modern.

Did MM3 valuable cards already bottom out?

>>52588716
Yup. And now every wannabe "smart investor" in the western hemisphere is buying up cards to get their set before they spike again, thus causing the cards to spike. REALLY fucking hard.

https://www.magiccardmarket.eu/Products/Singles/Zendikar/Scalding+Tarn

>>52588633
>after turn 6? you're dead to burn by then
If you're control and you've been answering their creatures you've probably stabilized but are just barely alive, which means unless you can slam a leyline or a giant lifelinker you will die to topdecks very soon.

>what 5 toughness creatures are relevant in modern?
Tasigur? Tarmogoyf?

>>52588633
>what 5 toughness creatures are relevant in modern?
Tasigur, Gurmag, Reality Smasher, Rhino, Goyf

>>52588752
>>52588756
>Tarmogoyf
>5 Toughness
Oh sweeties, didn't anyone tell you......

>>52588796
>HURR MUH DEATH'S SHADOW IS NOW 8/9!!!
>ITS POWER IS MAXIMUM!!!
Fuck off. Goyf is usually a 4/5.

>>52588865
Oh silly little muffin, maybe on turn 2 sweetie. Now stand back and let the grown ups talk little sugar plum

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>>52588898
You're right, adults are talking.

>>52588898
>Literally dies to push

>>52589030
>>52589005
Oh siwwy wittle guy, don't you know that got thought seized and you're at 0 life turn 4? You seem gwumpy

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This faggot just slapped your girlfriends ass and is attacking you.

What do you do?

>>52589046
I have both in my hand ;^)

>>52588796
>>52588898
>>52589046

I can't tell if this is bait or if this guy thinks he's actually impressing people by acting like he's on gaia.

>>52589046
Can you not speak like an adult, you autistic fuck?

>>52587572

And let's dodge targeting altogether, let's just say "choose a player" so we can get around player hexproof stuff.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/indomitable-tokens-4/
Speaking of Spicy Brews

>>52589397
>What if we took the Polymorph deck
>AND MADE IT WORSE

>>52589528
Says you I get results. I'm running the best removal in the format and getting full value from Souls is orgasmic

>>52589622
How do you wake up every morning when you know you disappoint everyone in your life?

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With vaccines proven to be not related, looking around my LGS i think the true cause of autism is blue mana.

>>52589677
I feed off negative energy and grow stronger with every mistake I make

>>52589754
>blue more autistic than green

WEW

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>>52589854
>(The Color I like) more autistic than (The color you like)
Wewewewe

>>52589845
Dies to Bolt.

>>52589845
This plus Always Watching?

>>52589870
I play abzan coco you dumb nigger :^)

>>52589845

>4 mana
>has to swing
>dies to bolt

modern playable? you fucking bet! :^)

>>52589854
Nothing is more autistic than not letting your opponent play the game

>>52590183
Playing tribal decks is far more autistic desu senpai. Especially if it isn't Merfolk.

>>52590183
One time at thanksgiving I took the entire bowl of shrimp, is that better? I was twelve and kind of fat and I just picked up the whole thing and ate it with nothing else

>>52590198

>We're done with the artifact block now
>Fuck artifacts

To be fair this guy isn't THAT good of hate, but he would be better than rec sage if he had a relevant creature type

He should hit artifacts and enchantments and he would be playable

>>52589845
worse than Elvish Piper

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>>52590238
Sounds like SOMEONE hasn't accepted our glorious tentacled overlords into their life yet.

>>52590438
>Almost playable creatures: Sol lands edition
Yeah fuck off.

>>52590183

>if they counter my craw wurm then how am I supposed to win? ; _ ;

You people are literally the worst thing in magic. I'd put up with instants and sorceries removed from the game and just stapled onto creatures if people like you would cease to exist.

>>52590734
>little bitch fuccboi can't handle a thought knot seer
You gonna cwy whittle baby?

is there a guide to play the current gifts storm deck? its a hard deck to pilot. I really don't know what should I look for when trying to go off

>>52590652
Better than merfolk

>>52590774
But Thought Nazi is a fine card?

>>52590183
>abloo blah I can't play around counterspells
>blue decks always have every counterspell
kys

>>52590793
John Finkel lied to you and the deck is actually easy as fuck and you're a retard

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Looks like the Modern general is off to a fine start.

>>52590828
shut the fuck up, I'm so sick of dealing with retards like you who don't even know how to order cantrips in storm let alone pilot it to success .

Pro tip: If Jon motherfucking Finkel says it's hard to play, you better beleive it's hard to play. Storm literally requires a 120+ IQ to pilot it correctly unlike every other modern deck.

>>52590793
>how to go off in storm
>ritual
>ritual
>gifts for two rituals and two past in flames
>flashback past in flames
>cast everything
>grapeshot for a million

>>52590874
>>gifts for two rituals and two past in flames
Doesn't work like that m8

>>52590198

Man, I wish we still lived in a world where the rule is if a continuous artifact (like Howling Mine/Winter Orb) is "tapped" then it's effect is "turned off"

Would make this guy and improvise real fun to play with.

>>52590871
Yeah storm was hard to play 5 years ago not the baby retard cast gifts and win storm

>>52590889
Fine, two rituals, past, and baral or some shit

>>52590889
Oh sorry a mana morphose too, so difficult;)

>>52590915
not an argument fuckboi

Tell me when to order Sleight of Hand and Serum visions and I MIGHT just listen to your retarded argument

>>52590937

lmao this meme

>>52590874
I know thats how you win retard. the thing is knowing how to set that up when your opponent has mana up to potentially disrupt you or when you haven't drawn an electromancer. if you haven't played the deck stfu.

>>52590828
again, if you haven't played the deck stfu.

>>52591123
don't bother arguing with these mongs about storm, they don't even know when and how to order cantrips, it's pathetic really.

>>52591183
>>52591123
Fart sniffing at its finest. Not that guy but it's not that difficult. Not saying it's easy but come on now

>>52591205
I think there's a difference between being able to play storm, and being real good at storm. I think the deck has a really high skill cap as far as knowing every single optimal line.

>>52591183
>look at me I cast semen visions BEFORE sleight of hand, I am such a smart boy

Christ storm players are the worst, which sucks for the deck because it's pretty fun

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>tfw too intelligent to play anything but Gifts Storm

>>52591205
I'd like to read a guide on storm because of what this anon is saying >>52591242. its not hard to play, but it really rewards knowledge of its intricacies.

>Heh, I know that I have to get a Manamorphose, Past in Flames, and two rituals off my Gifts, I'm so good at this :^)

>>52591331
again, thats the most common play that gets you the win but there are other plays and set ups that get you the win. i'll just stop arguing when its obvious you haven't played the deck.

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As a noob who just started with magic duels and wants to get into the autistic world of mtg, what shoud i buy first to get me started?
Are any of the starter decks worth it or should i just buy tons of boosters. And if so, which ones are the best for standard right now?

>>52591502
Jund
boosters are gambling and a terrible way to build decks, starter decks are pretty bad
this is the competitive modern general
buy jund

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Okay fags, if storm is so easy what do you do in this situation?

>>52591502
depends on the format you want to get into, really. if you want to play edh then getting one of the precons is good. if you want to get into standard or modern then id recommend watching coverage of the formats so that you can get to know the decks. when you know what you want to play then buy single cards, not boosters.

but, if you just want to start playing and brewing more casually you could get a deckbuilder's toolkit or one of the planeswalker decks. i'd recommend going to prerelease events and drafts at your lgs. these are fairly casual events and let you build up a collection.

>>52591589
>A noninteractive goldfish deck loses to another noninteractive goldfish deck because it got a better draw
that's the game

>>52591589
Remand?

>>52591589
Ritual, manamorphose blue, remand the adnaus, holding up mana to negate a pact?

You're pretty fucked desu

>>52591589
ritual, manamorphose, counters? doesn't really matter though because youre dead to a pact of negation if they know what they are doing

>>52591502
Don't bother, Magic is a pretty shit game. If you're under the impression that it's a game of outwitting your opponent you're completely mistaken. This game is all about being right in hindsight, and the cards you need to be "competitive" are all extortiately priced owing to how any 20-something with a bit of money lying around thinks they can treat cards like stocks, causing all kinds of artificial scarcity problems. Wanna play red and blue? Scalding Tarn is the best land in your deck. You'll need 4. They're $56 each. And that's just 4 cards in your deck. Tarmogoyf is possibly the best creature in Modern. Wanna run it? They're $91 each. You'll need 4.

Still wanna get into this shitpile of a game?

>>52591589
You cast the Ritual which gets eaten by a Pact and you lose on the spot.

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What is the most expensive deck in Modern?

>>52591708
Not necessarily dead to a pact, cause the deck also plays dispel, they wouldn't counter the manamorphose if they'd seen a dispel I should add. I wouldn't say you're just dead to a pact, if I was the ad naus player I'd assume they're trying to bait out a pact and then dispel my ad naus, making me hold the pack for the actual counterspell.

>>52591757
Short term? Jund/Abzan. Long term? Faeries, because at least Jund will win you prize money.

>>52591755
I should add that the opponent knows we have a dispel.

>>52591647
Wow really makes me think

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I'll be going to the first fnm with Bedlam Reveler today, wish me luck.

>>52591889
good luck, senpai

>>52591889
Kys fag

>>52592344
Thanks
>>52591911
Thanks

>>52591889
You're making a mistake

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Can I win a FNM?

I think I'll add 1 more walking ballistas 1 more collar, and 1 bane of gala ged instead of crusher. I just want the annihilator

>lol no Karn
I hated karn because unless I have natural tron it's dead in my hand

>>52592717
make a list on a pastebin of all the cards

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>>52592717
That'll do for FNM, Just be prepared to get assblasted by aggro because you're missing chalices.

>>52589081
Fight back with my gang of 21 squirrels

>>52592820
They're in the side. I was hoping that all is dust and ratchet bombs can take care of aggro.

>>52592900
squirrels dont fly

>>52591589
>opponent have his probably only lightning storm in his GY but probably a laboratory maniac in his deck
>what do
depends if your opponent have already played a land

>>52592755
2 ratchet bombs
4 reality smashers
4 tks
4 matter reshaper
3 endbringer
2 ulamog
2 solemn simulacrum
4 walking ballista
1 bane of gala ged

2 all is dust
2 warping wail
1 spatial contortion

4 maps
12 Tron
3 wastes
1 sgo
4 gq

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>>52591889

good luck. Hope you don't face naya burn

>>52591889
Good luck

>>52592982
Dude you should be maindecking that shit. Chalice is leagues better than Ratchet Bomb or All is Dust for handling aggro.

Does any kind anon have a sb guide for burn? I know what to bring in most matchups but taking things out is always difficult

>>52593546
I'm scared of instant blood moon decks

>>52593605
Transformation board
4x madcap
1x platinum emperion

They'll never see it coming

>>52591311
>Gifts storm
>requiring intelligence
>Not just slamming down baral/eletcromancer and throwing down rituals and casting gifts to repeat the process

>>52593702
shut up unless you can tell me when too order cantrips retard

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>>52593702
That's the joke

>>52593721
Cantrips are fucking simple you cretin.

>>52588344
Atarkas Command is usually not run these days. Painful on the mana. Just run Skullcrack.

>>52585453
I tried to make another deck again, this time red/white. i put it in a paste-bin to not have the post take up a bunch of space

https://pastebin.com/NPJb3J1e

Its shit innit

>>52593823
>not turning your swiftspears and guides into 3/3s and dealing 3
Wat?

>>52593872
It's terrible, anon

Try something like this: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=12048&d=269083&f=MO

>>52593890
This. I got 2 burn configs, Boros and Naya, and in Naya you want Atarkas more than shitty Skullcrack 100% of the time.
If lifetotal is an issue go Boros, still really good, the upside being playing two lands and being at 19-20, wheras naya puts you to 14-15 usually.

>>52593919
thanks

>>52593919
>>52593958
apologies that i didnt put this in the thanks post but can i make improvements to the deck i made or is it irredemable

>>52593981
The deck you made is pretty bad man. I don't think almost any of those cards see play besides neonate. I'm sorry little buddy.

>>52594023
aww

>>52593817
prove it then you fucking retard.

Tell me the difference between Serum visions and Sleight of hand and when to use them and why?

Oh wait you can't becayse you're too stupid to play storm

>>52593981
Look at the Angel control meme and figure out if you can see why it placed well. It wasn't because the deck is good, or even synergistic, but rather that it has good cards in a midrange shell which is all you really need to be reasonably competitive.

The deck is literally 5 wraths, 4 bloodmoons, 3 leylines, a bunch of bolt-proof angels and fogs (some with protection, cycling, other utility etc)

The deck is shit, but it won because
A) mainboard moon/leylines
B) wraths/fogs
C) durable clock

The first point fights combo among other things, the clock is the most important part vs combo, but basically moon/leyline also just cheese things like burn, gifts storm, valakut, etc.
Even something like Mana Tithe will work as a way to prevent these decks from killing you turn 4

The second point esentially stops the non-combo decks from killing you turn 4. Creatures hate fog and wrath. This is actual factual.

Thirdly theres a clock. Stormbreath dragon would work here, it doesn't have to be angels, but basically 4/4 flyers are enough if you have A) and B) checked off.

Hope this helps, keep brewing anon

>>52594195
i will, im liking the card game so far, but i think im going to be collecting more, helps with brewing and i can also pretend i have a hobby outside of league. it's sort of the same thing with me and pokemon, but i dont have a box and 300+ cards for pokemon.

either way i need to get some boxes and binders for both of them.

apologies for blogposting

Been messing around with this brew lately. It's a nice change of pace from Grixis, but is definitely not a great deck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/07-04-17-jeskai/

>>52594150
You tell me how it's done. Otherwise, you're just as clueless as him

>>52594395
I'd cut Stormchaser mages for pyromancers and Smugcasters.

>>52593619
it would help to know your local meta. it's very likely that there are 0 blood moon decks at your LGS

>>52594488
I'd be willing to trim down to three stormchasers, but the card has proven itself to me in this kind of shell. I was doubtful as well and tried both Young PZ and Snap. PZ was was unimpressive in this deck, to be frank. Snapcaster allowed me to do a lot of powerful things but, quite honestly, was just too slow for what this particular deck wants.

>>52593619
>>52594562
>blood moon

Well shit that seems annoying

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How do I counter infect decks?

spellskite + hexproofing vines of vast gains is killing me.

>>52594935
What deck do you run?

>>52594935
What deck are you playing?

>>52594935
Counter everything and sphinx's rev for 15

>>52585453
What sort of changes can i make to the tezzuret deck to make it better?

i have some alchemist vials and another bastion inventor to add in if i can.

>>52595124
4x Whir is pretty critical I feel in this day and age.

>>52595117
>>52595023
>>52595020
Mono red burn and Bogles are my two main players. The burn is super budget so not as effective as it could be.

Was thinking of a blue/white fog/mill

>>52595140
>whir
What kind of whir card?

>>52595173
Whir of Invention

>>52595201
Alright.
Can i work in the achemist vials (4) that i have into the deck somewhere?

>>52595223
No it's pretty garbage

>>52595235
i have a spare bastion inventor, can that go in?

>>52595243
No bruh, it cannot

>>52595141
Both of those are super aggro decks. Ideally you don't try to counter infect, you just try to win first. Spellskite is very good against infect because you can redirect their pump spells to your spellskite, and it fits into any deck. Learning to play against infect is important as well, usually you try to remove their creatures during your main phase when they're tapped out, or to force them to use their pump spells defensively, don't try to fight during combat. In your bugles deck you can run Melira in the sideboard, which is pretty much an auto win if it resolves.

>>52595124
this is the modern thread you moron, not the kitchen table precon decks

>>52595328
At this point I think he's trolling, or god forbid, it's now a meme to ask how to upgrade a tezzeret deck in the modern general.

>>52595349
is acting like a new player and asking how to upgrade a precon deck considered trolling now?

If so this dude needs to take some pointers from Opal guy and Ban 8th and 9th guy

>>52595349
UB Tezz actually feels pretty decent with Whir now desu. Kind of just a slightly worse Lantern Control but ehh, I still like it, all those fun ofs to be whirred out can make any matchup feel winnable

>>52595406
>>52595411
This guy's been asking about the tezzeret deck for like 2 weeks. He's not talking about tezzerator, he's talking about the precon deck. He keeps getting advice, ignoring deck, gets told he's in the wrong thread, then posts again next thread.

>>52595527
Intradesting

>>52585526
Why does the rarity matter? Do you want the card you need 4 of to be more expensive?

>>52595527
Seriously, what's with the memes lately. Like in the last three months we've had "Mox Opal: Vintage level card," "Storm is Hard: sequence cantrips," "Kithkin Tribal lol!" And now this.

What gives?

>>52593672
a-anon that's so spicey
I want to put it in tron and everything else but I'd need to swap out maps/chalices/fatties

>>52595928
Pauper general is growing, and they come here to shitpost.

>>52585494

That's not an edh card though lol, try as foretold

Also wouldn't you prefer strictly edh cards to be rarer rather than more common?

>>52595985
fucking poorfags

>>52595928
Desu the last good meme modern general had was gay lumberjacks

>>52585903
>>52585869

>posts consist entirely of reaction images
>"st-stop trying to fit in on 4chan, you can't meme like us"

Autism everybody

>>52596058
That meme was shit. All memes here are forced and shit

>>52596069
memes as a whole are forced shit.
reject ideology today

>>52596069
>that meme was shit
t. Assblasted Stihl user

>>52596085
This

>>52595928
My favorite lately was some dumb fuck saying Aether Vial needs to be banned from modern.

>>52596206
I don't think anybody has said that in these threads

>>52596222
It was some guy commenting on the recent Merfolk decktech video from MTGGoldfish. I guess I should have clarified, but it's part of the wider pussification of the playerbase.

Ban living end

>>52596382
t. kithkin player

>>52596382
Now you're just ironically forcing something.
Shoo shoo shitposter-san.

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>>52585494
no you fucking idiot, please PLEASE keep making the mythic slot unplayable EDH garbage. make constructed staples at normaly rarity. or even fucking better, uncommon.

fuck you're stupid

>>52596395
>>52596402
Not even your stupid meme. The deck is so annoying and resilient

Okay guys, here's the list I ended up bringing to fnm, happy with it went 4-1 and I think that's pretty solid. Sideboard is kind of weird, didn't have all the cards I wanted, but it served its purpose.

Land (18)
4x Arid Mesa
2x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
1x Godless Shrine
3x Marsh Flats
1x Mountain
2x Sacred Foundry
1x Swamp
Creature (12)
4x Bedlam Reveler
4x Death's Shadow
4x Street Wraith
Instant (14)
2x Kolaghan's Command
3x Lightning Bolt
4x Manamorphose
2x Path to Exile
3x Terminate
Sorcery (16)
2x Collective Brutality
4x Faithless Looting
2x Inquisition of Kozilek
4x Lingering Souls
4x Thoughtseize
Sideboard (15)
2x Anger of the Gods
2x Crumble to Dust
2x Grafdigger's Cage
1x Lost Legacy
1x Nihil Spellbomb
2x Painful Truths
3x Stony Silence
2x Wear and Tear

Game 1 Vs. Elves
Thoughtseized his CoCo and then bolted his Archdruid and Ezuri. Never drew Reveler or Shadow, but a single lingering souls brought me the distance. Matchup felt pretty good. Boarded in 2 Grafdiggers and 2 Angers. Turn 1 Inquisitioned his Chord. Turn 3 I angered his board and he just couldn't come back from it, he had me dead on board but that deck just gets blown out by Anger.
1-0 Game 2 Vs. Ad Nauseum
Brought in a Lost Legacy for any combo matchup, real happy I did. Game 1 I had a good draw, Inquisition and brutality turns 1 and 2 into 2 shadows turn 3. Really hard to beat that no matter what deck you're playing desu. Game 2 was kind of funny, but I don't chalk it up to a good win, idk. Turn 4 I'm pretty sure he's about to go off. I have 3 lands, I cast Lost Legacy, he pacts of negation, then I played a 4th land and thoughtseized his Angel's Grace. He lost on upkeep.

>>52596506
2-0 Game 3 Vs. Jund
Honestly a really boring and long matchup. Game 1 we are just 1 for oneing, until I play a Souls. Souls is really good against Jund it seems. Literally just Souls alone carried me to the finish line, because you really can't 1 for 1 souls, and he never drew pulse, card is really good. I boarded in 2 painful truths and a wear//tear that could be discarded if it needed to. Game 2 he had that Jund draw where they thoughtseize your hard removal, then play goyf, then play Liliana and you can't win. Goyf is a real good card and can end games quickly, especially with a Grim Flayer follow up. I just couldn't establish anything, didn't draw well at all it seemed. Game 3 is where Reveler really did some work. This time I'm on the play, he has the answers but I had the threats, I drew some souls he drew a Jund Charm, I killed his Goyf, he killed my Shadow. But then I hit Bedlam Reveler. Board State wasn't great, I had 1 Souls Token, he had a Lili at 3. Played Reveler into drawing another reveler, and a souls and a land. Played Souls, attack Lili down to 2, pass turn. He topdecks pulse, pulses my souls, -2 Lili. But now I have another Reveler in hand. Played Reveler and drew another Revler. That carried me to a win. I really really like the card when you're in a grindy matchup, that really won me the game there, topdecking a reveler feels amazing.
3-0 Game 4 Vs. GB Tron
Matchup doesn't feel unwinnable, but turn 3 natural Tron into Karn on the play is really hard to beat. My hand wasn't great, but it didn't get any better with a Karn out. Never got anything going game 1. Brought in the Stony Silence and crumble to dust. Starting hand was a 1 lander with looting and 2 silences and some other not great stuff cause my deck really doesn't match up well against Tron. Missed on the looting, and I didn't hit my second land until turn 4, what do you do. I think I want to try that matchup a bit more, it really doesn't seem unwinnable at all.

>>52596517
3-1 Game 5 Vs Bant eldrazi
Death's Shadow is great against Eldrazi. If you take away their Path, there's nothing they can do. Had a good first hand. Opponent kept a pretty heavy hand, 2 Nobles, a thoughtknot, smasher, and a stirrings. I Inquisitioned the first Noble away, and then turn 2 I Collective Brutality to kill his second and take his Stirrings. Death's Shadow the next turn ended it quick. A big advantage to this deck it seems, is you don't run out your reveler until you had to. No one boarded in GY hate against me, which was really convenient. At least none that I saw. Didn't know what to board, didn't really have to much it seems. Game 2 got pretty grindy. All I want to say, is that Displacer is a card that has to get killed. Souls Tokens kind of held off his guys, and his drowner tapped down my guys until it ate a terminate. Then I drew a Reveler, and he carried me to the promised land. The really great thing about Reveler and Faithless looting in the Graveyard is that you get 3/5 cards. That's really good selection. Played Reveler, drew path Wraith, land, flashbacked Looting, drew terminate land, discarded 2 land. Next turn drew Souls, then cycled into a bolt. That carried me to the end.

Not sure if I can have a good Tron matchup, better than Jund maybe but not good. Also didn't play burn. Deck felt good, I'm happy I made it and if anyone has questions about it I'd gladly answer them. In conclusion I want to say I feel like Reveler has some untapped potential. He's the Grindiest card imaginable. I see people playing him in UR decks, makes no sense with counterspells. I see people play him in Burn decks, makes no sense you just want more burn spells. I think the deck he wants, is a grindy, tappout style deck, where you 1 for 1, until you come out on top. Empty hand and empty theres, and then if you topdeck a Reveler, it's some great value. Solid deck I believe, if anyone has some constructive criticism, or suggestions I'd be happy to hear it.

>>52596506
>>52596517
>>52596565
so this is the power of draw 3.

>>52596578
Thank you so much for your well thought out and thought provoking response. You're honestly just so funny and cool, I wish I could be like you.

>>52596602
so this is the power of butthurt

>>52596602
are you autistic?

>>52596602
holy fuck you have no idea where you are
you're clueless

>>52596506
Why'd you board in grafdiggers against elves?

>>52596617
The answer seems obvious when he takes two posts to describe his matches with what amount to be a Blueless Delver deck.

>>52596628
Coco and Chord, it's surprisingly really effective, I think it's one of the best cards against them

>>52596641
Oh damn I forgot about the "libraries" part of grafdiggers

>>52596602
>ew someone discussing an unusual deck in great detail in the proper thread instead of just shitposting
Fuck you

>>52596656
Yeah it's a great card, can't remember the last sideboard I put together without at least one, great card against coco decks

>>52596617
>>52596625
>>52596614
You guys won't be laughing when Mardu Death's shadow is dominating the next couple of GP's. It's like you don't know how powerful draw 3 coupled with heavy disruption, removal and beaters is.

>>52596665
I'm the one who posted the deck though though

>>52596665
m8 you gotta chill out this website is 99% shitposting. you have to learn to roll with it and slip genuine discussion in between the memes

>modern discussion on reddit
>everyone sucks everyone else's dick while making total shitbrews that can win T2 if they get the correct 6 cards and no disruption
>modern discussion on 4chan
>shitposting and netdecking

I wonder how the goons do.

>>52596712
at least shitposting is better than sucking peoples dicks

>>52596712
Why don't you contribute to discussion by, you know, talking about something instead of being an ironic shithead?

>>52596712
if you tell someone their $95 platinum angel voltron deck idea is a steaming pile of shit you get downboated and called a troll

I browse many MTG related sites and I have to say that in my opinion 4chan /tg/ mtg threads are the most refreshing for the sheer honesty you read here. Many of the posters don't have a fucking clue of what they're talking about, but I 100% promise you that trend exists on every other website. It turns out an incredible number of people who play this game barely even know the fucking rules beyond what they print in those intro pack pamphlets. The only really annoying thing is when the thread gets completely derailed by a meme and turns into 300+ replies about mox opal/kithkin tribal

>>52596798
Literally not true at all, if you post a shit deck people tell you it's shit on Reddit, you're thinking of mtg salvation

>>52596811
>I know this from experience
how low can you go

>>52596811
I haven't used reddit since about 2013 when I told a guy his 5c sliver control deck was a trash pile and ended up at -350 a few hours later, so I'm not sure what the community is like now. but you're pretty correct about MTGS. they're almost hopeless. there are some gems in there if you're willing to read through it but I usually just skim through deck lists and sideboard suggestions.

>>52596852
Well it's really not that bad, like not too long ago some guy asked how good 4 color lili evolution was right now and I said go ask boo hoogland and it actually got a few up votes. I actually prefer the modern mtg reddit to this sometimes, cause there does come a time when the entire thread is just shitposts and China man garbage, and I just don't give a shit about that.

Has anyone tried doing a zombie/ tokens (WB preferably) deck with some of the cards revealed from the new set?

>redirect all my opponents auras from bogles to me
>redirect opponents ravager sac to me
>stop the burn deck dead in their tracks

I will never not play spellskite as a 1 of. Holy shit, this card is so fucking good

>>52597172
I'm honestly surprised no one has come up with a dedicated Spellskite deck get.

So how's everyone's fnm going?

>>52593872
>Its shit innit
Yes, yes it is.

>Stone Quarry
Wind-Scarred Crag is better and dirt cheap.

>Serra Angel, Aegis Angel, Subjugator Angel, Victory's Herald
No. Cards with CMC that high should win you the game.

Choose what kind of deck you want to play.

Burn? Get some Lightning Helix and Lightning Bolts.

Lifegain? Get some soul sisters.

Token Spam? Intangible Virtue and Goblin Assault.

Get 4x Lightning Helix and 4x Lightning Bolt.

>>52594150
Asserting there is a difference is asinine, no matter what we answer you are just going to tell us that we are wrong and you're way smarter than us like some kind of smug, self-congratulatory faggot

>>52597479
I'd love to learn, actually. So if you could tell me, that'd be awesome

>>52597496
sleight is when you need the card now, serum is when you set up later turns. For example ad nauseum will sleight turn 1 for higher change of getting a lotus bloom.

>>52594150
Situations where you have both serum visions and sleight of hand should be very rare, unless it's in your opening hand, in which case you always serum visions first, so you can set up your draws. You'll probably be able to shuffle away things you don't want at all with a fetch anyways.

>>52585494
Wizards has been stuffing the rare slot with garbage long before EDH, or even modern, was a thing. It has always been their policy to make 80-90% of the cards in a set unplayable jank.

>>52597393
nobody showed up so i'm at home shitposting.

>>52597552
Sucks doesn't it? At my lgs, there are about 18 people for Modern tonight and they fired up two draft pods.

Too bad I had to work.

>>52597581
well, in my case, there's a tiny little anime/video game store that does mtg by request. Hardly anyone shows up (tonight it was zero) and I only go because it's so close to my place and I hate driving farther than I have to. the next closest store is a 90 minute drive but they always have about 20-30 people and it's a pleasure to play there.

But boy I just hate driving.

>>52597393
2-0 so far

Beat Junk and Ad Naus with Esper Control

>>52597901
Walker or Draw go?

>>52597551
If I were in their marketing department, I would consider the ascent of EDH as a panecea for the complaints that the rares were shit.

Suddenly, they can have all the players blaming EDH for the shit cards instead of the company for the shit cards. If you have people blaming EDH, you can deflect the blame from the company because they're obviously following their marketing research. Except when you ask EDH players (the reasonable ones who aren't dicksuckers who want to build hundreds of EDH decks), they're suddenly tired of being blamed for dogshit that even they don't want.

It's just goddamn depressing that there is so much negative will generated for no goddamn reason that could all just be solved if they would just print borderline good cards instead of outrageously unplayable garbage.

HAHA, local store is going to do a no ban list modern event the saturday before easter

From what I've heard about NBL modern, skullclamp is king. is there anywhere I can see some lists that have been used before?

>>52598126
Desu Delver is where it's at in NBL modern. Misstep and TC combined with actual cantrips is dank and the disruption works nicely against the combo shit people try pulling.

>>52597932
Draw-Go

I'm 3-0 now, just beat DSJ 2-0

This is my list, it's similar to what Ryan Hovis played:

Creatures: 3
3 Snapcaster Mage

Instants: 27
4 Path to Exile
2 Fatal Push
4 Think Twice
3 Logic Knot
2 Negate
4 Esper Charm
4 Cryptic Command
2 Sphinx's Revelation
2 Secure the Wastes

Other Spells: 4
4 Supreme Verdict

Land: 26
4 Celestial Colonnade
4 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
1 Marsh Flats
2 Hallowed Fountain
2 Watery Grave
1 Godless Shrine
3 Island
2 Plains
1 Swamp
1 Mystic Gate
1 Sunken Ruins

Sideboard: 15
2 Engineered Explosives
2 Dispel
2 Blessed Alliance
1 Celestial Purge
1 Negate
3 Vendilion Clique
1 Anguished Unmaking
2 Baneslayer Angel
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion

>there were people in these very threads jerking off to cheeri0s
Lmao cucked desu

>>52598303
Literally 0 reason to be running verdict over wrath right now senpai.

>>52598362
So then he can run either/or and it would be fine, right? Both full the same slot and do the same job, and if there's no meta difference, what does it matter which one he runs?

>>52598362
...literally zero reason to run wrath over verdict as well.

Not him, but an observation. What problematic regenerators are in modern? The only one I can even think of is Thrun, and seeing him is somewhat rare.

>>52598382
Elves my man. Elves. Also easier to cast.

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>>52598388
Supreme verdict is vastly superior always run it over wrath always

>>52598303
Can you really be Think Twicing+Esper Charm and playing four Wraths in this format? Last time I went on Draw-Go WUR there it wasn't enough time to get away with it. Helix was the most important card in that deck because it bought you an actual Time Walk with the life alongside smoking a creature. I was often standing on the back of Bolts and Paths but you only have Paths and 2 Pushes and no Inquisitions.

It just feels like you're drawing into shit most of the time. Crypticing into more draw feels wrong to me. You need to Cryptic into a proactive Time Walk like Helix, Ajani, Nahiri, or expensive choices like Gideon Jura or Batterskull, which often do a better job than Secure the Wastes; not a a Time Walk like Mind Rot or Divination. You can't reach out and smash a Liliana off the field although I respect that's what the countermagic is for.

I'm not saying you have a bad deck there. I just feel that this greater commitment to Draw-Go doesn't get there. You need something that will utterly fuck them like Collective Brutality so that your Wraths are just Sorcery - Destroy Target Creature and not actually 2-for-1ing them because if you need the 2-for-1 you might be holding a grip of card draw.

>>52598403
lel oops I forgot about the keeblers. No one plays them locally so I forget the deck exists sometimes.

>>52598389
How exactly is Wrath easier to cast than Verdict? There's no significant difference between 2WW vs 1WWU in an Esper mana base (and if you have a game there you only see W and B lands in turns 1- 4, there's something seriously wrong)

>>52598435
It's not a huge deal, but it could come up. Maybe I need blue to hold up vapor snag or spell Snare or whatever.

>>52598419
In my experience secure the Wastes is fantastically versatile. It can be removal, it can buy you time, and it's a good finisher. Also It's pretty chill to spend the first few turns casting think Twice, and mana Leak if needed, then 3 for 1 them with wrath to stabilize. This happens often.

>>52598435
Not him but there is a big difference between 1WWU and 2WW when you also have four copies of a 1UUU spell in your deck.

The reality is that you are probably not going to want to shock yourself to get the mana to reliably cast Wrath and Cryptic on T4, not especially when you have Colonnades.

The deck needs to manage threats until it can safely get the mana it needs while minimizing the pain it takes from fetching to cast those cards. You are not casting Cryptic and Wrath on time (sadly), if you are, you are on the backfoot against the Burn, Affinity, and Jund decks; they fucking love seeing you shock yourself to fix or playing a Colonnade (or Think Twice) in response to their Goyf.

This is why I was saying that Bolt and Helix in conjunction with Path were so important, they bought you the time to get your mana up without having to shock yourself in the meanwhile. With Helix you could somewhat pretend you played a greedy mana base without shocking yourself to 16 or lower.

Fuck Elves, you don't care if they have a regenerator, it's the mana cost that matters in Wrath (or Damnation). Nor does the counter-proof of Verdict matter either. The uncounterability is NOT worth fucking your mana (or lifetotal) to play.

You are playing a deck that wants to cast a 1UUU spell, remember that first and foremost.

>>52598503
I can respect that Wastes is versatile, but I detest Lingering Souls and other jackasses that fly like Signal Pest and Vault Skirge and Merfolk and you can probably find better finishers that also stabilize and won't get wrecked by those evasive threats.

>>52598388
Also affinity lists run welding jars at times

>>52598350
There are people in this thread right now jerking off to Restore Balance-As Fortold.

Some people are just that fucking bad at magic.

>>52598552
The evasive threats you mentioned all get blown out by wrath usually. I run straight u/w control, and other than 2 copies of secure the Wastes, colonnades, and a singleton Geist, my finisher is elspeth, sun's champion. I run two copies because I want to see her every game. If I'm gonna play something at sorcery speed it's got to be as powerful as her, literally never lost a game that I can untap with her. Again versatility is important here as she can also wrath if merfolk or elves has a buffed team, or against bant eldrazi. Honestly I also run secure the Wastes because I have westvale abbey and there's just so many decks that can't beat that. If they're not running lilianas or paths then it will straight up steal games, and surviving until turn 6 isn't that hard.

>>52598708
Okay fine, I get that you're proof against those evasive threats following up with a Vial or flashbacking a Souls and finishing it off with an Elspeth. But he isn't. He's splashing black for seemingly no value beyond the Pushes.

If he's trying to cast that shit through a Blood Moon he's fucked whereas UW can insulate itself better.

We're not talking about your deck and making Wastes work, I'm sure it does. It doesn't work in his.

What is the best feeling you guys get from your deck? Like when you play a card and it does its job so perfectly that you get a rush from it?

For me, its Spell Queller and Collected Company

>>52598770
Play tireless tracker, copy it with saheeli, play and crack a fetch for 4 clues.

>>52598751
Fair enough. Originally esper draw go ran black for the sole purpose of esper charm I think. Fatal push is a new edition. Also sphinx's rev + esper charm + think Twice seems like a lot of card draw, yeah? Additionally condemn is pretty main-boardable these days with all the death's shadow running around.

>>52598751
>He's splashing black for seemingly no value beyond the Pushes.
Esper charm you dolt

>>52598770
When they cast a spell during their first main phase and you cryptic counter and bounce their on board threat. Cryptic Command might be my favorite magic card.

>>52598783
>have Knight of the Reliquary out
>play tireless Tracker
>drop fetch, crack it, tap knight, get another fetch, crack it
>4 clues, enough mana to crack at least 1 and both creatures get bigger

Tireless Tracker is my favorite when I'm not against Burn or Affinity

Why can't Geist of Saint Traft make it in Modern?
Surely with Push, Path, and maybe some bounce or counters he won't have problems getting in

Esper guy here, 4-0 now, just won against Grixis shadow in two

Verdict is absolutely better than Wrath, everyone who disagrees is a muh blue is dead memelord

Wish me luck in round 5

>>52598845
He shows up once in a whike, but meta has to be right, otherwise he can be a huge tempo loss.

>Playing Burn with TCruise and Geist in the side

Those were some fun days.

>>52598845
Geist is fine, just not ideal in a tempo deck, because you don't want to tap out on turn 3 in a u/w deck for a creature that can't profitably block.

>>52598795
>Esper charm you dolt
Overrated

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>>52598862
>birds, tribal flames, might of alara, geist and friends

>>52598795
I'm saying making your mana base excessively vulnerable for Pushes isn't worth it. Esper Charm hardly pushes the scales in a significant way.

Why the fuck do you people think other people are blind. How about this, I noticed his list doesn't have Leaks, but I'm just going to pretend he fucked up and they're actually there because there is no way having UU on T2 is going to be great for your lifetotal. I'm not going to grill him on that, that is the least of his problems.

UWr gets Bolts, Helix, and Planeswalkers for Red. What the fuck does his list get for Black? Are you telling me Esper Charm is such a big dick player in your mind that it's worth taking all the goddamn risk in the world eating Blood Moons, shocks, and Fulminators to get to play glorified Mind Rot and Divination?

Jund took out Red because it was just Bolts and Ravine and some sideboard cards, but it traded it for Lingering Souls, Rhino, Gideon, and Paths. That's a legitimate trade for power. Where the fuck do you get off telling me Black's seller in that deck is Esper Charm?