/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

Kinda regretting starting Custodes after seeing the jetbike pricing and that there's no posability in them.

I mean, £180 for two min units? Fuck.

I mean fuck, how viable is just running footslog and dread spam?

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It's a shame the new jetbikes look like ass.
The rest of the Custodes line is amazing, but they look just so boring and static, not to mention their monopose...
Here's to hoping some 3rd party will give something that's closer to the old illustration.

According to the icon guide for the new Malinax transfer sheet, Scoria has his own Taghmata. Now I need to have just those symbols on his personal escort and Abeyant, I suppose. What's the preferred robros for him? Was thinking either two Wrecker Castellax to smash through those 2W units he has trouble with or some Vorax so I can Outflank if needed and to be speedier.

>>52585065

Pretty viable, given the tournament stomp they've managed without them. You can all Deep Strike, you'll be fine.

Yeah I'm kinda wondering if there's a good way to convert better looking, cheaper Custardbikes...

The biggest problem is the legs, honestly. Nowhere to find sitting Custodes legs outside of these bikes.

Have FW basically stopped making some of the resin Power Armor marks now that GW does them in plastic?

New TS 2495 list. I took the good old Pride of the legion RoW. This let me cut the fat and both tac squads. I have replaced them with two vet squads. One is geared more at armour to try to balance things a little. The other is full of swords and claws not very TS but will be fun to build. My hope is this list is ok and I can start building!

HQ----------------------------------
Praetor with 3 lvl psy, Force weapon, Bording shield, Plasma Pistol, iron halo.

Osiron Contemptor with Twin linked Lascannon.

Elites--------------------------------

Vet Tac Mech Kill with +5, Legion Vexilla, Bro Psy, 2 Meltagun. Sarge Thunder hammer, Plasma pistol and rhino.

Vet Tac Weaponmasters with +5, Legion Vexilla, Bro Psy, Heavy Flamer, Pair of Claws, 7 power swords Sarge Claw and rhino

Sekhmet Terminator Cabal +2 Terminators, Chainfist and 2 lighting claw

Troops--------------------------------

Breachers with 2 Volkite Chargers, Legion Vexilla

Tac Support +3 with Plasma Guns and Rhino

Heavy---------------------------------
Heavy Suppot Squad +4 with Autocannons.

Fire Raptor with Autocannon battery

>>52585190
All the Legion armour sets from MK2 to MK6 are still available.

>>52585217
There isn't much more to say since you are taking things because you like them rather than because they are good, not that this is an insult. Assuming a casual setting you should do fine. I would swap the TL-lascannon for a kheres and swap the heavy squads autocannons for missile launchers but other than that nothing. If some guy comes along with some serious tanks, think an AV13 wall or more than two land raiders, then you might be in trouble.

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>>52585148

Okay, let's tackle this.

Skyweavers might make a good starting point for a Custodes Bike conversion, I think? Longer than other jetbikes and designed for two riders.

The problems are thus:

-Imperialing it up
-Attaching a custodian with properly posed legs
-Big eagle on the front like concept art?

Why did you choose your army? Sell me your Legion/Army, /hhg/

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Sometimes you just wanna go fast.

HQ: Legio Custodes Tribune w/ Praesidium Shield, Cyber-Familiar, Digital Lasers, and Paragon Spear 270pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Guardian Squad of 4 210pt

Transport: Coronus Grav Carrier w/ Extra Armor 140pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Guardian Squad of 4 210pt

Transport: Coronus Grav Carrier w/ Extra Armor 140pt

Fast Attack: Legio Custodes Agamatus Jetbike Squad of 6 w/ 2 Corvae Las-Pulsars 500pt

Fast Attack: Legio Custodes Agamatus Jetbike Squad of 6 w/ 2 Corvae Las-Pulsars 500pt

Fast Attack: Legio Custodes Agamatus Jetbike Squad of 6 w/ 2 Corvae Las-Pulsars 500pt

Total = 2500 points

>>52585329
Mostly true but other people's comments on my list has got me to remove things and add other things. Problem is I get to emotionally attached to things. Other people saying things helps me evaluate what I want to build and what I could build instead. Being told to remove my tac squads has made me happy.

Still hearing things are fine makes me happy. I know armour is a problem but I guess I will struggle with it.

>>52585445
can tribunes take shields with spears?
I might be getting the 40k rules mixed up but I thought it explicitly said yuo couldnt do that

>>52585488
Very legal. You just don't get charging bonuses.

>>52585336

You're going to want a bunch of ravenwing parts. Engines from bikes, winged bits to match the Aquila look you're going for.

For the legs... Probably just look into truescale marine methods to extend biker marine legs a bit? Then add the thigh plates from the Custodes legs you aren't using because their upper bodies are on the bikes.

>>52585473
I meant with regards to the objectively bad stuff you like but is cool like the breachers in a none ZM game and the boarding shield on the praetor. It looks like a fun list though, to play and to play against. You considering changing anything further or is this your finished list?

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>>52585148
>>52585336
>>52585586
>where can we get heavily armoured, oversized legs in a sitting/riding position
There is one possibility, but you're not going to like it...

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>>52585123
Blood and Skulls Industry.

>>52585660

Nice! Shame I mostly play in a GW.

>>52585656

Sorta works, I think that would take a lot of conversion work and leave me with a bunch of riderless demigryphs for a game I don't play though.

>>52585656
Well it are the exact same models, I don't see the issue

With Arvus out of order for a moment, what would be some suitable replacement/count-as model?

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>>52585723

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>>52585764

>>52585764
>it's totally stable on its flight stand I mathematically worked out the weight distribution so I'm getting fed up with people making stupid comments that it's going to fall over and crush my army so just stop making these sort of comments because the model is completely stable okay

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Custodes sitting legs:

Remove biker leg below knee.

Remove Custodes legs above knee.

Combine carefully, use green stuff to fill gap if necessary.

Add thigh plates to biker legs.

Replace rear wheel of bike with some manner of engine, replace entire front of bike past the engine block with front of Eldar jetbike. Undersling a gun, then use either ravenwing parts or Vexilla parts to make the eagle on the bike's nose.

>>52585764
>>52585789

>See it even has room on top for 12 Hoplites

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>>52585050
Ha.

That picture is so telling. Some one was self conscious enough about having to justify not having any resin in their army that they tried to adapt a paintjob meme to comparing finecast to the refreshed MkIII molds. Absolutely pathetic.

>>52585854
>then cry because it looks like shit.

>>52585789
Hah. I remember that guy. Did look a little precarious, I suspect he hadn't calculated shear forces from Unsupervised Gamestore Kids.
This is why the Whalebird will be low to the ground and on two or three stands, and the theoretical Manta may have a lockable platform that can be cranked up and down built into the bottom, even if it's not a beautiful transparent flying stand.

>>52585864

That number annoys me. It's just enough that not filling it feels like a waste but is way too few to justify another Hoplite kit. 10 should do the trick, at least.

>>52585913

Can't look worse than the official model.

>>52585854
>"Look, I'm not falling for that 'watch out, behind you!' crap again."

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>>52585945
True.

>>52585646
Unless there are any ideas that grab be this might be done. The Praetor goes with the breachers by the way. They are his huge body guard. It should prove to be quite impressive looking.

>>52585893
But the model on the right is metal, so where exactly does the finecrap come in ?

>Also that captain model still is the most glorious example of MK III armour in existence to date. Wrong backpack but still

>>52585893
>absolute proof that people will buy anything FW puts out

>>52585679
ooor a bunch of potential mounts for counts as thunderwolves

I unfortunately have no way of seeing themirl and don't really trust shitty photos, do you think GW's plastic mk3 are noticeably worse then FW's? Which would you advise (without taking in account how pleb it is to have plastic in a hh army)

Do you guys ever use 40k Marines in "relic" armour, or parts from them, for your 30k stuff?

Like the captain in OPs image.

>>52586305
>themirl
What is this?

>do you think GW's plastic mk3 are noticeably worse then FW's?
Nah, I own both and the plastic MK3 is good, I prefer the whole kit except for the head (no sunken eyes and lack of bulk on the face plate) and backpack (big ass join line on the vents)

>taking in account how pleb it is to have plastic in a hh army
plastic HH armies aren't pleb as long as you are using era appropriate armour, and no your repurposed 40k Imperial Fist tac squads don't count

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>>52586305
>how pleb it is to have plastic in a hh army
Friendly reminder that Alan Bligh uses GW plastics in his mechanicum army.

>>52585941
To be fair to the dude, as anyone who works with metal basing, tank traps or scaffolding will know, if he work it out, that think will be stupidly hard to knock over accidentally. But at that point it's so heavy I wouldn't want to put it on a game table for fear of the base flattening some ground texture.

Won't stop some kid in the store trying to wobble it or whatever.

Stupid idea all round.

>>52586498
What did I miss? Was someone using an xbox as a thunderhawk or something?

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>>52586305
I would be careful saying stuff like "Plastic pleb" around here. There is a huge culture of people dismissing / shitting on / complaining about the most asinine things regarding FW's products:

>I don't like how they look anyway!!!
>They R Overpowers!
>Resin is hard~~
>FW send you broken stuff... I heard.. Once..

It is pretty much the tone of a lot of off-hand comments, and it's to make people feel better about the fact that they either cannot afford it, don't want to save up a little more then they already have, or know there is no point ruining stunning models with their god awful painting so just strip and respray their MkVII tactical marines for the third time. You will be absolutely pounded upon by VERY hysterical and reactionary people for pointing this out and denying them their usual rationalizations. We all know the vast majority of Forgeworld's product line is absolutely stellar and looks a billion times better if modeled, posed and customized in very minor ways than if someone chopped up a Ravenwing bike and glued a custodian ontop of it "Wah-lah".

In answer to your question, plastic is alright for what it is, and is generally better if kitbashed responsibly with resin. MkIII is, generally speaking, the best thing they have put out in plastic as the MkIV just looks like tactical marines from 40K. The biggest issue is they are fairly monopose and the seam along the top of the backpack is glaring, but can be fixed with confident / competent greenstuff / liquid greenstuff work.

As for advice.... If you were running only plastic MkIII in tacticals and all the rest of your army was brilliant conversions or just stock resin or good kitbashing (Resin Vehicles excluding Rhinos), then sure, go for it, no one would have any problem, especially if taking 20 man tacticals. FW is the way to go if you can do it though.

(See pic related, you can include plastic and make it look good, it is possible if done in moderation and with care)

>>52586535
No, but i DID once use a hasty spray painted cardboard box, and my erect penis as a make-do venator

>>52586614
What is that flyer on the right?

>>52586305
Plastic is alright, the main problem is the static legs

>>52586442
Bligh Grenade is pretty based.

Is there a pdf for book 7 inferno? or the Custodes/Sisters 30k list?

>>52586041
>thunder warriors driving themselves off a cliff

Well you could squeeze another pose out of the jetbike arm by replacing it with a custode spear arm like the Shield Captain has so it is upright....then slap a pennant on it

Can blackshield marauders mix regular bolters and pariah bolters or must every bolter be a pariah bolter if you want to use them?

>>52586790
read the fucking OP you retarded bastard, that stuff isn't there for fun

>>52586305
holy fuck FW Mk3's are shit always have been....they put the moldline smack dab in the back where the segmented armor is.

>>52586855
I did shitbird....I see nothing for book 7

>>52586877
then you are blind as fuck because I've just checked and it's there, no I won't show you because it's your punishment for being retarded.

>>52586877
Not that anon, but here you go
http://www.mediafire.com/file/de3l5i29kn69n73/The+Horus+Heresy+Book+7+-+Inferno.pdf

Have fun.

>>52586854
Nothing says that you can't, I checked the marauders section and the pariah section and there is nothing to the effect of 'all models must replace blah blah blah'.

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>>52586854

>>52586921
>http://www.mediafire.com/file/de3l5i29kn69n73/The+Horus+Heresy+Book+7+-+Inferno.pdf
Thank you...you are pure class. To the shitbird...now my retarded ass has it where is that link? In the books first link has up to book 6 the second and third are the red books and the fourth White Dwarfs and comics books?

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EHLP

Almost finished with muh story, on an Astartes battle-barge what is the title for the most senior mortal crewman that directs the ship? Isn't the Chapter Master the Captain?

>>52586968
>>HH Books, Novels and Rulebooks galore
>http://pastebin.com/k9uvqsub
>>Rho Mu's Awesome Library of RULEBOOK AND NOVELS
>https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
here you go retard

Thanks Shitbird

>>52586854

Just wondering, I've never really played HH but what are Blackshield Marauders? They sound badass

>>52587028
np retard :)

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>>52587055
Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Derrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>52586973
Shipmaster/Shipmistress

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>>52587034
Marines who have left their legion and now fight as a separate warband. They can be either loyal, chaos/traitor or neutral. There are two big warbands mentioned so far, the Dark Brotherhood (pirate loyalists commanded by the scariest guy after Curze) and the Ashen Claws (angry Terran Raven Guard who buttraped the surviving Night Lords in the Nostromo sector).

>>52587028
What kind of insult is "shitbird". You're just joining random words, you pisstits

>>52587239
hey shut up cockdog

>>52587158
>Dark Brotherhood (pirate loyalists commanded by the scariest guy after Curze)
Are they the kind of Astartes the Imperium deserves but not the ones it needs right now?

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Hey Nippledicks check out mu Custode

>>52587262
Says a penguinbutt

Now why the fuck would that post sideways....even my phone is retarded

>>52587158

That sounds really cool, there aren't any official models right? I'm guessing you'd just take any model

>>52587323
>1.8Mb sideways of a single model
Try again, tortoisedick

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>>52587055
Nice digits....lets see if my phone is still retarded

Yup still tarded

Don't know what to tell ya hold your monitor sideways

>>52586697
Nephilim jetfighter, from the gw da range.

>>52586079
You said you had 10 free points before, you may as well buy arcane litanies for your praetor if you plan to do any casting with him. If he dies to a freak accident your army is totally fucked.

>>52587374
Dumb phoneposter newfag.

Paintjob is also kinda messy but ok.

>>52586865
You have never, EVER handled unpainted MkIII. That is simply not how those molds work.

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Finished my autocannon marines. I have now painted all the power armoured marines from two BoP sets (I didn't buy custodes, or special characters).

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>>52588540
I thought I removed that mould line...

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>>52588540
>no "what have you done today"

I finished off some more old school model/art inspired DG. Than ran out of bits. Again.

>>52588623
Wait. And you didn't use MkIII backpacks?

5/10 you put in a bit of work but lacked vision.

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>>52588649
>you didn't use MkIII backpacks

Why should I?

>>52588540
Beautiful. So much more lists should be cool stuff instead of optimizing and mathhammering every single point. Have a nice day, Anon.
>>52588623
Make them power pickelhaubes :^)
I remember a Necron Lord killing a Carnifex with his choppy hat. It was funny.

>>52588659
Because it's all about profile. If you look at a lot of the older HH art, before the marks were properly formalized and published, It all boiled down to weird variations on what looks like MKIII or versions of MKVI.

All the other backpacks look like 40k tactical marine backpacks and you don't get that Horus heresy era silhouette. The helmets on yours mitigate that a little. I think for what you really wanted to do, MKV legs, Mk4 torsos, MKII helmets, MkIII backpacks and shoulders with gloved hands, umbra and phobos bolters and bits shoved on.

>>52588623
I wish you'd used mk5-style torsos instead of the mk4 ones, since the chunkier cables are sexy.

Theses guys gonna be vets?

>>52587374
Is it black, or really dark dark steel?

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>>52588737
>All the other backpacks look like 40k tactical marine backpacks and you don't get that Horus heresy era silhouette

By that logic vast quantities of HH art and models are invalid.

>I think for what you really wanted to do

I posted exactly what I wanted to do. MkIV (with MkVI style greaves and MkII style vambraces, as was the style at the time) with MkIII helmets. MkII helmets will go on MkIII bodies. MkV will follow old sketches that the Khorne Berserkers were based on.

>>52588870
Its okay mate, it's alright.

>>52588782
>mk5-style torsos

Don't want them to get mixed with MkVs and I like the plate that comes over the abdomen.

>Theses guys gonna be vets?

One of the tactical blobs.

>>52587374
If on iOS crop a hair off the image to fix rotation

I'm going to keep thinking about the idea of custom Custodes bikes from GW parts, but I'm definitely struggling on the front of the bike. As much as I was looking at various Eldar bikes for length, none of them have enough of a snub-nosed intake vent deal going on.

>>52586418
>What is this?
Them in real life
>>52586614
>>52586721
Thank you, i was just wondering if fw stuff was so overwhelmingly better detailed, but thank you for the in depth answers anyway.(also i was just memeing about the plastic pleb thing, i personally am among the people who prefer plastic stuff and think fw is slightly overpriced, especially if you consider how easy it is to find second hand gw stuff)

>>52586957
So no mixing bolters for marauders? Or does this only affect stuff from the legion army list?

>>52588540
Are you gonna get some Power Scythes for you dudes?

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>>52589315
No. Power scythes are silly. Fine on Deathshroud, Typhon and Mortarion but silly otherwise.

>>52588870
Cool picture. Can't wait for the DG plastic stuff GW will release soon, and Mortarion too.

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>>52589362
They are, these scythes are better, normal scythes are inpractical as fuck, power or not.

>>52585437
I like riding bikes, keeping secrets and dealing in absolutes.

>>52585437
I enjoy long walks, drinking poison and not cleaning my armour.

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I took a photo of 1 each of my 6 Death Guard squads. I tried out a fair few different paint styles.

I'm really unhappy with the bottom right. the Rakarth Flesh basecoat just doesn't look good.

The middle guy in green is my idea for a late-late Heresy Death Guard. Like after they've been taken by Nurgle, but not yet completely mutated. Similar to the red and white World Eaters in book 6, or the almost completely Black Legion SoH paint job in book 7.

>>52585437
I like red and i'm not a filthy traitor

>>52585437
Do you like being immortal tinkerers with the best fleets in the galaxy, taking chainfists to the face without blinking, killing special snowflakes with basic weapons and healing pretty much anything? We also have artillery bombardments that make Perturabo look a rank amateur, and the best allies prospects in the game. Praise the Crater, and join the Ordo Reductor today.

>>52586535
The guy with CALCULATED BASES put his Stormbird on a stand which he worked out to not flip over. Stormbird alone weighs about 5kg. The reason we talk about it is because he got mad when repeatedly asked if he's not worried that it'll flip over. If I remember well, the paintjob was great.

>>52589592
Top row mkIII dude looks best imo, how did you paint his creme armour?

>>52589362
>power scythes are silly

0/10 canisters of phosphex, would not huff with.

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Finished, wew. Probably will need some grazing over, which I'll do tomorrow.

https://pastebin.com/pDYgRTwq

The adventures of Jaqat Bal and the Cyclopean Hand will continue in the future.

>>52589370
>Can't wait for the DG plastic stuff

Me neither. I hope there's tons of helmets.

I must have been providence that I miscalculated my needs for Mk3 suits and just as I realized my error, GW announces plastic DG in Mk3.

>>52587339
Phones all seem to do that. Crop and resize - somehow that sets the photo's direction.

>>52589648
> white primer
> Ulthuan grey and Ushabti bone basecoat ( 50/50)
> thinned down AP soft tone wash over everything
> another round of soft tone wash but into the deep grooves only.

I'm fairly certain Army Painter Soft Tone is the exact same colour as Seraphim Sepia.

Every other DG was washed with brown wash or brown/black, because I realised way too late how good soft tone is instead.

>>52589734
Power scythes on regular guys lead straight into Space Wolf-tier silliness

>>52589834
Somebody's mad their power axe/fist character got wasted before they could strike.

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>>52589592
I love your destroyers man. Please do more
bareheaded guys.

>>52589903
I just dont like caricatures

>>52589834
It's fair game on a vet sarge

>>52590085
I like the chemical warfare theme more than the reaper theme. Too many scythes and it's WOLFWOLFWOLF only with DEATHDEATH DEATH

>>52590263
>can't mix them all up
>can't have spike helmeted dudes with scythes advancing through a muddy, poison clouded battlefield under the supporting fire from water cooled heavy bolters

>>52590304
Sure go ahead but I won't do it. I don't use named characters so no Mortarion or Typhon for me and no Mortarion means no Deathshroud and that means no power scythes in my army.

>>52590402
>no Mortarion means no Deathshroud

Didn't know you needed Mortarion to take Deathshrouds. I've been doing things very wrong...

>>52590423
No, I mean that I would only use Deathshroud if I was fielding Mortarion.

>>52590476
>not fielding 130 deathshrouds

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>>52590476

>>52590505
>not fielding 90 deathshrouds
FTFY

So I've just read Prince of Crows and want more HH Night Lords, which books should I read?

>>52590402
>I don't use named characters
>knowingly limiting yourself from using all parts of the army you play for ultimately self deluding reasons
Just because I have Guilliman doesn't mean I use him, but I appreciate him as a army centerpiece.

>>52590610
Savage Weapons has good banter.
The Dark King and the Lightning Tower are classic, the latter is more about Dorn.

>>52590610
The Watcher, if you want to read about space wolves getting gang banged by NL.

The Value of Fear is a nice short.

So what counts as having enough ranged anti-tank and anti-Spartan stuff in a 2000 or 2500pt list? Are Avengers/Lightnings the only option? Do laser destroyers and lascannons work, or is something fancier required?

>>52590610
Pharos shows the legion in a pretty good light.

What is the best variant of Cerastus knight?

>>52586614

I prefer the Mk IV plastic legs. I hate how the knee pads pop out in the FW version.

>>52586614
Not sure if bait or not...

>>52590637
It's more fun to make my own guys with their own little stories.

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>>52591005
Exactly, that's why my Dark Angels are lead by Sabbat the Black.

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>>52590263
I like to think Mortarion's real theme is FARMFARMFARM

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>>52589396
Damn right. War scythes 4ever

>be Magnus
>do literally nothing wrong

Holy fuck, how can he keep doing it?

>>52590505
>30 HQ Deathshroud
>+60 as Troops because PotL
>+40 in Elites
>>>+40 in Elites
Can termies still be picked as Elite choices even if they are Troops already?

Rolled 4, 5 = 9 (2d6)

>>52591037
That's pretty neat. Do those exist for other legions too? Rollan a bangel for the sake of it.

>>52591037
But in the grim darkness of the far future Sabbat is a girl's name...

>>52591138
I remember a Space Wolf one, and I think there was a Black Templar or Imperial Fist one and a generic one, but I don't have them.

>>52591138
There was one for Lesser and Greater Demons in Realms of Chaos I think, it had a shitload of pre-/suffixes.

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>>52591333

>>52591109
Sure why not

>>52586614

>Forgeworld's product line is absolutely stellar and looks a billion times better if modeled, posed and customized in very minor ways than if someone chopped up a Ravenwing bike and glued a custodian ontop of it "Wah-lah".


Still deciding if I actually want to do that actually, need to come up with a really solid conversion plan for it to be worthwhile.

What I do know is that the Gyrfalcon bikes they brought out today have odd proportions as a vehicle and a custodian monoposed in the seat like he's relaxing in a lawn chair.

>>52591163
Like Laurie? :^)

>>52586614
>Forgeworld's product line is absolutely stellar and looks a billion times better
>if modeled, posed and customized

I'm reminded of people who defend stormravens and centurions with this same argument.

>>52591410
I feel the Warp overtaking me!

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>>52591558
IT IS A GOOD PAIN

>>52591585
>>52591558
I'm a retard

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>>52591623

>>52591623
Yes, you clearly are retarded.

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How do I make a combi-umbra bolter, fampires?

>>52591706
Plasma ones, specifically

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That's a nice looking book. Kind of appropriate for Lorgar, I guess.

If we could wait until this & Dark Compliance are actually out before starting scanbegging, that'd be just diddly.

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>>52591829
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA PRAISE BE PRAISE BE PRAISE LORGAR AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>52591829
Looks really nice but I'll wait for the standard edition, I already spend too much money on miniatures

>>52585660

At first I thought that engine on the side was a sidecar. I was hoping for a Wallace and Gromit jet-bike.

How long does it usually take for FW to answer an e-mail inquery? Fuck I'm getting no response.

>>52592655
Never. I've been emailing them for years with not a single response.

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>>52588540
Great work IntractableAnon. I'm still grinding away at my assault marines, hope to have them finished this weekend.

>>52592655

Random as fuck. Most of the time they never answer it. Sometimes they answer random Facebook posts and Russian emails with either the vaguest or dumbest answers.

>>52591061
I don't think I'll ever get used to seeing my dudes reposted. Glad people like them though.

Damn, I'm not sure if I want to make an international phone call for stupid rule clarifications.

Fuck everything about FW sucks except for their design team. Damn it.

>>52593467
What's the question?

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>deathguard

>>52593506
It's not their fault they're one of the few legions that can endure this cancerous and toxic environment :^)

>>52593562
>endure

More like thrive.

Next they'll evolve into tripfags.

Possibly a dumb question, but I have a bunch of plastic tartaros and resin poweraxes: Trouble is, neither kit has the arms necessary to assemble non-powerfist left arms. What do I do?

>>52593478
Quite a lot. Well...

1) Some Rites of War have limitation(s) that affect the army. For example:

- Orbital Assault: Units that cannot be deployed via Deep Strike, either by having access to the special rule themselves or because they cannot be carried in a transport vehicle that has it (infantry in Drop Pods, for example), may not be chosen as part of the army.

Could you clarify what the word army means in this sense? Does it mean only the Primary Detachment using this RoW, or all the Detachments (Allied, LoWs, etc) I've taken?

For example, if I've taken the Orbital Assault RoW for my Primary Detachment, will it prevent me from taking non-Flyer LoW Detachment (like Imperial Knight) and/or Allied Legion deploying on foot?

2) Some Rites of War have 'You may not take an Allied Force Detachment' limitation. If I understand correctly this means that my Primary Detachment can't take any Allied Detachment.

My question is, will this limitation also apply if the Detachment using this RoW is taken as the Allied Detachment for a Primary Detachment? In other words, can Allied Detachment take RoWs that have above limitation?

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>it's another picture of incomplete deathguard

>>52593478
3) When a talon of multiple Dreadnoughts (let's say 3) are given Dreadnought Drop Pods using the Orbital Assault RoW, does each of those Drop Pods count toward the number of Drop Pod units arriving on Turn 1 using a Drop Pod Assault rule? Or count as 1 Drop Pod (since the Pods are taken for a talon)?

For example, if I have 5 Dreadnought Drop Pods - Pod A (Legion Dreadnought), Pod B (Leviathan), and Pod C, D, E (talon of 3 Contemptors).

Do they count as total of 3 Pods for Drop Pod Assault rule and allow me to deploy only 2 Pods?

- In that case, will Pod C, D and E count as a single Pod (thus allow me to deploy technically 4 Pods)?

- Because according to the RoW limitation "a talon of multiple Dreadnoughts must attempt to land within unit coherency when they are deployed via Deep Strike."

Or, do they count as total of 5 Pods and allow me to deploy 3 Pods?

- In that case, will I have to deploy the Pod C, D and E first due to the above limitation?

4) For auto-lose situation which a side has no models present on the table due to Reserve, do you follow Warhammer 40,000 core rule or Horus Heresy Age of Darkness army list victory condition?

>>52591163
It's Dark Angels, apparently they had women fighting in the Legion.
>Yes, it was my intent that the Order had both male and female knights – which gives rise to the idea that the non-space marine ‘augmented’ Dark Angels like Luther might include women (in fact Angels of Caliban contains the line, ‘On the other side of the Chapter Master the chair was occupied by Saulus Maegon, Mistress of the Angelicasta’).

>>52593674
Buy sword arms and replace the sword with the axe. Ended up being the way I gave my tartaros all their power weapons, since it ended up being cheaper than the FW upgrade kit.

Or just wait for FW to release an upgrade kit. Or go online and look for resin tartaros bits.

>>52593705
Maybe AWG could come and share some more of his SW pictures with us?

Started playing my Dangles army at 1000 points, over the last few months I've built it up to 3500 points. The win rates at about 70% and hella fun to play, been told it was fun to play against as well. I received an message from 30kchannel on YouTube saying I'd been welcome to come play for them on camera.

Is this HHs way of saying I've made it?

>>52593956

If you're going to show up on THAT channel, don't bring a list that will get your ass kicked like that recent video with the poor DG dude bringing 6 fucking Heavy Support squads against a full quad mortar+medusa setup.

>>52593692
I can’t speak for FW, but as you say, they aren’t answering any of these questions so all we can do is discuss among ourselves. Here’s what I think, and how I’ve seen other people play:

1) “Army” is the whole army, including all detachments.

2) If a RoW says you can’t take an Allied Detachment, then you can’t take one at all. You can’t give that RoW to an Allied Detachment because it is an Allied Detachment and you aren’t allowed to have an Allied Detachment. Seems clear to me.
I also assume that when FW writes that you can’t take “a Fortification Allied Detachment” they mean “a Fortification Detachment or an Allied Detachment” and just left out a couple of words. They do that sometimes and there’s no such thing as a Fortification Allied Detachment.

3) Good question, that’s a toughie. I’d assume the worst case – they each count as a pod but also have to deploy together. So if you pick half your drop pods for turn 1 arrival, a talon would count as two or three. If you had to roll for them, it’d be one roll for the talon and then count as multiple pods.

4) What I’ve seen people do is not end the game if you go second with Orbital Assault and have an empty board during your opponent’s first turn, but then you do auto-lose if you don’t have any units on the board after that. So you auto-lose if you’re using that jetbike-based RoW and move all your units off the board into Ongoing Reserves.

>>52593718

>the dark secret is the Dark Angels employed female marines and all the female marines rebelled with Luther

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>>52591706
PLS RESPOND

Also is using brass legion sigils to press into greenstuff a good idea to make my own legion shoulder markings?

>>52589226
kek that reading comprehension. Doesn't matter what it is. If one model in a unit takes a Pariah thing, then the unit must be equipped in the same way. Marauder, Legion (I can't think of any relevant examples, Shattered Legions maybe?), models in a unit must exchange for Pariah gear in the same way.

>>52593705
Post your own dudes anon. Be the change you want to see.

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More damage on Bardan the Cantankerous.

Logic behind the placement was that the filthy traitors would probably aim for the head and chest, but the giant armored life vest would deflect a fair bit.

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>>52594823
And another with Amit and Yvraine, because everybody needs an angry friend and a hot elf.

>>52594843
What's the eel looking motherfucker behind him?

These images are atrociously huge. I apologize.

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>>52594857
Lizardmen Carnosaur.

>>52594458
>Also is using brass legion sigils to press into greenstuff a good idea to make my own legion shoulder markings?
BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP!
My poorfag detector is off the charts!

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>>52594971
Wrong. I've got a shit ton of shoulderpads with Legion emblems, I just want to use the plain daemon-head of the Word Bearers instead of the flaming book. Also I'm going to make my own Chapter-symbol to mold and then mass produce on every one of my marines.

>>52585437
Because playing salamanders was untenable with Kyme writing such garbage, then I discovered Chris Wraight and the White Scars and fell in love.

Noble, poet barbarians that go fast and laugh while they do it.

>tfw some random sergeant has better armour than your Primarch
#JustWEthings

>>52594894

Did

Did you mount a carnosaur on a 32mm base

>>52595076
Yes. That giant ovoid BASE-LIKE object it's standing on is just to protect the shelf. It's actually standing on one toe on the Saurus Oldblood's 32.

>>52594214
From what I can get almost every list on that channel is intended to be played competitively, I'll be posting my list when I get home. My local meta is very competitive so I'm hoping it helps.

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>"Hey guys, look at this thing I made."
>"GTFO, poorfag, that's not 30k, only buy FW."
>"Hey guys, will FW ever make this thing?"
>"Learn to convert/scratchbuild, n00b, if you can't this isn't the hobby for you."

I just fucking love all you guys so much.

>>52595094
Though honestly if I could get it to balance on a base that tiny, I totally would, just to see the looks on my players' faces when I drop him on the board during a D&D session.

>>52595059
It's almost like WE's are a shitty legion or something...

>>52595114
First of all, stop wasting image space, faggot. Your stupid pic isn't even related to your post.

Secondly, in order to play the Warhammer 30k expansion you don't only need the real models, but also a high modelling and painting skill is necessary for optimal enjoyment of your game. You get objectively more fun out of a proper painted army with original fw models than a grey primed army of recasts and plastic poorfagotry. Fact.

Finally, fuck off, kys, your post has no contribution whatsoever to this thread.

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>>52595204

>>52593601
Gee, you're seeing tripfags in your soup man, relax. It's not as if you were speaking to one :^)

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>>52595204
You seem... upset.

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>>52595204
>the Warhammer 30k expansion
When did it get an expansion?
>also a high modelling and painting skill is necessary
>with original fw models
So, a high modelling skill isn't necessary?

Cerastus Knight Castigator. Shit or good?

Also, how does the Questoris Knights detachment work? Could I take a normal primary, allied, AND a QKC? Or must my primary be a QKC?

>>52595114
>>52595226
Dude, it's fine.
Your lumpy tactical squad from the high number of strips and repaints is fine. Stop worrying about what other people think. Your 3 plastic comtempors with identical poses are fine. Stop worrying about what other people think. Having people ask you constantly throughout a game what your legion special rules are because they cant identify your army through simply being primed is fine.

We'll just be having fun with perfect looking, armor accurate, pattern accurate, well painted, complete armies with full units of clearly identifiable legion specific units and characters and out gorgeous, high-production-quality rulebooks which everyone begs to flick through.

You have fun with your plastic 40k dark angels painted black OH I mean blackshield renegades who are super special and discovered loads of MkVII on a mechanicus ship and used it because its actually super advanced and looks better anyway and it's easier and more forgiving to put on. It's fine.

And no. GW will not release every singe thing for the Legion product lines in plastic eventually. Start saving up.

>>52595295
If you just want a single knight, you can just take it as a Lord of War choice under the "War Machine Detachment" option in a Legion list.

If you want more than one, I don't know.

>>52595226
>>52595254
I ain't even mad.

Also,
>samefag

>>52595258
Warhammer 30k: The Horus Heresy is an expansion for the Warhammer 40k ruleset put out by games workshop, if you weren't aware of that.
Modelling skills are necessary to make any model you assemble more interesting, or are you one of those autistic talentless fucktards that model every marine the same and always put helmets on because they're awful at painting faces?
If you put no effort to make your models looks interesting, then in my book it's the same as if you were playing with Dark Vengeance snapfits painted as Blood Ravens. It's lazy, it's disgusting, it's a show of mediocrity.

>>52585141
>preferred

Arlatax are Xana-built

I forget the fluff for pre-blight drones

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>>52595356
That's it, let it all out.

>>52595361
I like both the Lancer and Castigator. But I also wanted a Stormlord for my Veletaris. And Blackshield allies. And a--

you know, maybe I should just stick with one thing at a time

>>52595403
I'm telling you it's alright. You can do your thing, we'll be doing 30k.

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>>52595378
>t. not gonna post my models to show you how it's done right

>>52595403
You know, I have a sneaking suspicion that it's all one guy that always trolls /hhg/.

But maybe he's not trolling and he actually believes his autism. IDK which is worse.

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>>52595356
You strike me as one of those guys whose models are all posed like ass because you think conversions are heresy.

Suck a dick. Final product is what matters, not what went into it.

Also, I'm not a scrub. I'm the guy who posted the Leviathan dread before you started throwing a fucking tantrum so I couldn't get any feedback. I have a fluff and armor-accurate White Scars army, AND a shattered legions force for the Siege of Terra. Of whom only three models have mkVII pieces, all imperial fists, and therefore perfectly fitting in the fluff.

Some of us just aren't elitist twats about it. It's a fucking hobby.

>>52595421
And I'm telling you it's alright to have moments of autistic sperging over nothing.

>>52595457
Correction: Four models. My Blood Angel Moritat has one Mk7 arm because the pose didn't work otherwise. But again, Siege of Terra.

>>52585679
You can sell those demigryphs to beleaguered Freeguild players like me though.

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>>52595435
This was me, and I love it every time when this is posted, because it means that someone is really, really, really upset about their plastic.

YES, those are kit-bashed heavy bolters. What the picture fails to show you are two, yes TWO MKII-B land raiders with Imperial fist doors, A legion Vindicator, 30 resin breachers, ten of them with the 40k breaching sheilds upgrade pack (Which alone was £40 for 10 shields), An imperial fist pattern contempor, 5 resin cataphracii with both the resin chain-power-axes and resin powerfists throughout the squad and 3 laser destroyer rapiers (Which is almost £100 for 6 dudes and 3 turrets).

Stay mad faggots~

Pic is Imperial fist siege breaker and Alpharius proxy until he comes out.

>>52595519
Seeing that MkV and VI use those same arms, doesn't seem like a big deal.

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>>52595204
> there are people who actually think like this

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>>52595457
>>52595557
Are they badly posed~?

>>52595561
The panels on the forearm are slightly different, but his pistols and wings MOSTLY hide them.

>>52595557
>assblasted rants about people using GW plastics all over /hhg/
>gets caught using GW plastics
>"s-stay mad, phagets"
>try to damage control by posting models with more GW plastics

You are just adorable!

>>52595574
You're responding to two different people.
>>52594843
>>52594858
>>52594894
>>52595094
>>52595116
>>52595226
>>52595457
>>52595519
>>52594823
These were me. The rest were not.

>>52595594
The difference between using specific bits which exist only in plastic to get the look you want and producing a hoard of disgusting looking 40k-no wait they're actually blackshields I swear~~~-30k is huge. If you look at those models, and actually know the components making them up, you would realize I don't give a shit about making what is on the cover of the box, but have a vision and go for it when creating a model. I'm sorry Dark Vengeance doesn't have your primarch in it.

>>52595574
>Are they badly posed~?
The dude with the 40k powerfist looks like he's about to fall over. If he's pointing his right gauntlet like that he should have the same foot forward for balance.

Since he's perched on a cluster of rocks to use his monocular you can't even make the argument that he's walking.

If you put half as much thought into your posing as you do your mental gymnastics for your elitism, your models would be kickass.

>>52595643
>Using plastics is only bad when other people do it, guys. I have a VISION. I'm not constrained by your feeble limits of canon.

God I wish I had a fedora tipping gif.

Anyone? We need this. It's important.

>>52595643
>"b-but muh visuns!"

It's amazing the double standards you set up, where you can do anything you want because of your "vision" while everyone else is just using snap-fit DV models because you don't approve of their visions and how it fits "your" 30k.

You remind me of a guy way back who was very much opposed to anyone ever making Tau titans, declaring it's unfluffy because Tau don't use such idiotic weapons. And when he himself made a Tau titan, it was because he thinks Tau titans are cool and deflected all accusations of hypocrisy with "I'm not saying it's canon, you guys."

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>>52585050
Any anon who's actually purchased Inferno in her? Been waiting for a lore description of the Hetaeron Guard for a couple months now. Curious if they are replacing the Companions or if it's a totally different unit.

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>>52595745
>>52595746
Guys, seriously, it's fine.
Don't worry about what i'm doing, you guys do your Horus Heresy FW roleplay thing.

Your Ultramarine Legion stuff looks sweet even before you bring it out of your carry case, I guess you've been betting your army ready for 30k since the early 2000s huh.

>>52595827
Pretty sure there is a scan of book 7 if you look in to the links on OP. They're there for a reason.

>>52595574
>Are they badly posed~?
>>52595697
Same anon, following this. Your totally-alpharius-and-not-just-spare-shit-slapped-onto-Alexis-Polux should be leading with his right leg. The arm pose you were gunning for is leading with the right shoulder to slam it into someone, with the melee weapon trailing behind. But his legs aren't moving at all. So he's just making Ginyu Force poses while standing awkwardly.

To say nothing that you chose the blockiest, ugliest, least graceful power armor possible to represent a primarch that fights with agility.

Don't talk to me about vision and come here with these weak-ass poses, anon.

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Looks like HHG is up to its usual shitposting again. Here's something that happend today at the LGS that nobody is likely to believe, but oh well

Today a new person walked into the LGS, because said person read something about warhammer online, found it interesting and could only find our clubsite when looking for warhammer enthusiasts. Those of us not in a game explained what warhammer was, the difference between 40k and 30k, some lore, about painting ... the usual friendly introduction. The person seemed to like the idea of 30k, and wanted to return in the near future so somebody could do a demo game.

The crazy part is that the person was a woman. Afterwards the usual LGS visitors looked a little bit shellshocked, and we all agreed this could not possibly have been real. We do know about and have a few woman who play and paint warhammer, but they only ever seem to get into the hobby because their (boy)friend or husband is very much into warhammer.

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>>52595557
>using a proxy of any kind
>collecting multiple legions
>playing with unreleased characters, especially primarchs

>>52595892
Nice! I hope your community has a new player.

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Speaking of poses, redpill me on how to do them

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>>52588623
I got some fun in the mail.

First up: An actual model for Stradon Binalt circa battle of Yarant, Converted using a GW servoharness and FW praetor. Still need to add an auspex on there somewhere, either belt-hung or inner vambrace with greenstuff.

For those that have not seen the loreposting before, he's chief techmarine of the Raven Guard.

I have been inspired by some of the amazing minis I've seen here to start DG and I was just wondering a few things from those who have played them. I'm interested in running Calas Typhon, what unit should I put him in and is he any good? I also want to run a unit of Destroyers (I know they aren't particularly competitive, but they are great for DG fluff). Does anybody know what the best build for them is? Thanks everyone!

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>>52596037

And a pair of angry bees for my mechanicum contingent, they'll be getting kiavahr grey and green for a colorscheme, to go with the Archmagos and Castellax.

still need to hot-bend the manipulators, and the antenna coils for the servo-automata.

>>52595969
Don't have the arm an leg on the same side fowards with a walking pose. Only works with very, very few poses

Try assuming the pose you are trying to give your model to see if it feels natural (bit harder in case of weird things like Tervigons)

Doing the head last is usually a good idea. Dry fit it first and see what looks best. The tilt and direction of the head/helmet can mean the difference between making a pose look retarded in the extreme or totally epic.

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>>52596070
and said servo-automata to roll with the forge lord until I get some cataphractii buddies for him to join, still debating if I want to go for a cata special weapons kit or try to just chop a bolter arm and use a tartaros plasma blaster.

>>52586084
Model on the right from "Masters of the Chapter" got recasted in Failcast by geedubs themselves. So all of the models in it suffer heavily from having an OBSCENE amount of mold lines, sprue connections, mold slips, and erectile disfunction.

>>52595851
Thanks anon, I assumed since scanon has perished we would never get a full scan so I didn't bother to check.

>>52596123
What? When did God forsake us?

>>52596123
Never lose faith in our lord and savior Scanon.

>>52596113
Good thing I bought a metal one on ebay.

>>52585123
That big dumb eagle on the nose is so ludicrously 40k, I can't believe they'd fail to model it.

>>52596212
This isn't 40k

>>52596229
You know what he meant.

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Can my Vultarax weigh in on this plastic vs resin debate?

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>>52596342
Not heretical enough. More bits, more bobs, more tendrites, more hanging censers.

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>>52596342

Dead on too, why not.

>>52596342

Is that a storm raven? What did you do with the tail?

>>52596342
>>52596371
you know, it's not as terrible as I thought from the first thumbnail. Still too blocky though really, and if that's a stormtalon body it'll be far too big.

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>>52596420

Rhino hatch.

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>>52596342
>>52596371
I love it.

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>>52596448
I would have used something like pic related. Makes it more of a cover for a sealed reaction chamber or something, rather than just a simple hatch.

>>52596479

Honestly I just kinda saw the price on the Vultarax and realised I could probably make one for £40 less if I just sourced a storm talon, an imperial knight head and thoroughly ransacked my bits box.

The original model is cool, but I have limits on value for money that kick in just once in a while. Same reason my Necron pylon is basically just an inside out drop pod, some night scythe wings I found on ebay and a spare doomsday cannon.

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>>52596448
>When a brother magos has constructed their vulturax with an accessible asshole

>>52588540
is that spray white with ink over it, it looks nice

>>52589592
is that just sepia wash over white, or over bone?

>>52595745
Oh oh, I want into the meme as well
>I am Plastic Anon and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled his plastic bits?
'No!' says the man in GW, 'It should be in finecast.' 'No!' says the man in the Pekin, 'It should be made of cancer.' 'No!' says the man in /tg/, 'REEEEEEE!!! Normies get out!!.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Plastic, bits that would not fear bubbles, bits that have more range, bits that would not be constrained by FW's catalog! And with the dough of your wallet, Plastic can become your bits as well.
Why are we talking about dumb plastic vs resin autism instead of fluff and stuff?

>>52596342
I want to see this painted

>>52596103
>cataphractii buddies for him to join
>They can wield Power Axes for S5
>Adding to their RG Furious Charge for S6
>His Rad Grenades would mean Instant Death for T4, wounding on 2+ and ignoring armour saves
You're evil. 10/10 would nuke civilians with

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>>52596371
>Knight head on Stormtalon body
These fucking genetors, I tell ya...

So here's my conundrum:

I have a ton of models I'm working on building. A bunch of Mk7 dudes, and a growing amount of HH marks.

I don't know what to paint them. I love RG and IF as far as Legions, but at the same time, I love fluffing out my own 40k chapter. and kind of want to make my models my own thing rather than just IF or RG, but that won't fly for HH.

I love jumppacks and lightning claws and the idea stealth and suprise assaults that RG are known for, but I also love terminators and the whole love of bolters/hold the line!/stubborn siegebreakers thing IF have.

So I feel stuck on when I finish building and get to the painting part.

Anyone know how big Lightning and/or Xiphon is compared to Stormtalon/Stormhawk?

>>52597446
do shattered legions.

if you do an IF praetor, make sure he has an honor shield on the left side, and has a power fist (or solarite gauntlet) tada, you have captain Noriz, who was attached to the Raven Guard for a time after bringing them the first shipment of corvus armor along with the plans for it's construction.

it would allow you to run mostly RG tacticals and other stuff, while still having a way to enjoy the bits of IF you love. (Noriz had at least 10 terminators under his command, all cata)

If you want to do canon BFFs for his shattered legion buddy, Commander Branne used a jump pack and at least one lightning claw.

The passage in deliverance lost has them making bets about which primarch would kill horus, if Noriz won he got the keys branne picked up off the first of the lycaen guards he killed, if Branne won he would get Noriz' first battle honor (the shield mentioned before)

>>52597323
>Why are we talking about dumb plastic vs resin autism

Ousting "muh vision" hypocrites is always fun. But yeah, lets get back to business.

Um... so, how long do you think it'll take for FW to adopt 8th? You think they're already working on updating all the rules and lists, or you think they're gonna just detach 30k from 40k completely and do their own rules based on 7th?

>>52597641
based on the statements I'd expect them to shuffle over to 8th, but it will probably take over a year given the fact that it will be such a huge changeover and FW seems to actually playtest stuff. (well, mostly)

>>52597641
Well Blighgrenade supposedly said that they are going to adapt 30k to the new rules. Knowing FW this could very well take centuries though.

But who knows, maybe 8th edition will be simple enough that the FW rules team actually understands them.

>Giving a unit that has the Scout special rule also the Outflank special rule

If anything made me convinced that the meme that brits are permanently drunk it's how FW and GW their rules are a mess.

>>52597323
>Why are we talking about dumb plastic vs resin autism instead of fluff and stuff?

because some insufferable, tilde using, faggot came into the thread spouting shit about how you shouldn't be playing HH if you aren't spending 600+ on an all resin army.

>>52597710
They could make temporary "if you really want 8e" PDF with an updated list and legion rules and do a proper, more balanced version later.

8th might actually be a blessing in disguise, because it could allow FW to balance all the armies better if they're all done in one go.

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>>52597733
At least we got a new page to the legacy of MuhVisionanon.

Shine on, you crazy diamond, never stop entertaining us with your batshit insanity.

>>52596212
I'm planning on buying a custodes bike squad and doing exactly this to trick them out. Right now they look like the Mechanicus cooked up, not the jetbikes for God's guardian angels.

>>52597571

Thanks. I'll look at that. No real reason I have to build just one Legion.

>>52597571
>>52597829

Oh and as far as my Mk 7 dudes go I think I should just split them off and do the successor chapter thing for 40k, since you can only really do IF with mk7 (I'd rather do all MK 3 for IF anyway).

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So .. given the content of the posting lately..

If I ran the Blood Angels legion and used FW resin Mk IV assault marines - with FW Blood Angels upgrade kits and squad leaders with the GW Blood Angels upgrade kit for artificer armour, would that work?

Would anyone raise an eye if I used the existing GW models for Sanguinary Guard as a Command Squad? at least until we find out what they're like in Angelus. If FW made their own 30k Sanguinary Guard models I would buy those later.

Lastly, would the GW Sanguinary Priest and Death Company Chaplain models be too out of place in the army? At the very least I was thinking about turning the Chaplain into a Praetor, or stealing his winged jump pack for one.

>>52598520

I'm the kinda guy who says you do you. FW is fucking expensive.

Plus, at the end of the day: They are your dudes, your money, your time. If you are happy with them then go ahead.

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>>52598520
Man I'm in the camp of saying anything that isn't mark 7 is fine in HH. Blood angles are one of the clean fancy armys, so they can pull off most amours just fine. I run Iron Warriors so every one has to be at least slightly shitty and old with Mk2-3 legs or covered in studs.

The only thing I really care about is those round oval knees, they cant be in HH.

>>52598771

I like FW better in most cases, but I figure artificer is artificer and there aren't any good alternatives to Sanguinary Guard at the moment.

>>52598888
ehh, take off the wings and put on mark 4 helmets and they should look ok, maybe slap on mk 3 shoulder pads for that archaic look?

>>52598520
HH art shows Sanguinary guard looking like the GW guard, so seems like they're pretty kosher. Maybe give them Ultramarine Invictarus Suzerain helmets, if you can find them somewhere, their aquila face plates seem similar to the ones seen on some of the Guard.

>>52598520
Oh, another bangle bro. Just use whatever models you want, no one that you want to play is going to raise a shit about it.

Good journeys to you on the long road to Angelus.

>>52598520
Honestly BA is one of the legions that has the best conversion possibilities in it, most any plastic kit can be make useful just by replacing the super-obvious VII/VIII stuff with FW heads/bodies, and all of those are superb as well.

>>52589592
Love the almost-plague marine.

Plastic is better than resin, which is a literally cancerous waste of money. Prove me wrong.

Hint: you can't.

>>52599060
Plastic: good for mass jobs, when you need to build the same thing in volumes. Usually Tacticals and other power armor derivatives that aren't centerpeice elite squads, as well as basic transports
Resin: Good for detail, the larger undercut capability and softer/lighter material make conversion work easier, best used for bits where the undercut cannot be performed in plastic, or the detail requires a smaller surface depth tolerance. Generally useful for centerpeice models where higher detail is important, or low-production run vehicles due to costs of casting.

Personally, I'm in the camp that wishes FW would make the remaining major vehicle bodies in plastic where they are sold in decent volume: Stormeagle, Sicaran, Spartan, Conversion plates for the Deimos pattern vehicles. Then the remaining conversion parts for different variants can stay in resin. Some might Bawww at me for saying that, but a proper injection mold would give cleaner lines for the large plates on the hulls and be significantly less of a pain in the ass to work with.

>>52599060
>>52599134

Plastic is automatic.
Resin is stick shift.
You're either a dumb shit or an expert driver for going the latter. I don't give a shit about you if you're being dumb, but if you're an expert then go ahead and impress me.

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A good example of FW resin and GW plastics used together properly.

>>52598980

Best? I disagree.
Easiest? I wholeheartedly agree.
Just add tactical shoulderpads and parts to MKIV armor and wham you got a fuck nice squad.

>>52599188
>barely any assembly
>expert level

Ok.

>>52599232

The FW torso upgrade hit is ace as fuck. Their muscle plate also works really well as artificer in 30k and 40k alike.

My question is, can Blood Angels (and Ultramarines of course) rock the tassel loincloth or cloth tabard with their muscle plate in 30k?

>>52599188
I don't think that's necessarily true either, resin isn't all that difficult to work with, it's really about what material works best given what you're trying to achieve. Example, to get similar detail to templar bretheren shields or the legion praetor armor in plastic would be difficult because the difference in surface height is small, and over the life of an injection die could become offset or blurred, not to mention would have to be done as multi-part because of different undercut orientations. Things like basic armor marks are good candidates for the plastic treatment because they have mostly unidirectional undercutting, making them relatively easy by comparison to separate out into an injectable mold, same with vehicles because of generally regular geometry.

Before HH became widely popular I would have argued making the vehicles in resin made sense, since the production volumes would have been too low to support the design work and tooling costs of production, but at this stage there is a solid argument to be made that they likely have sufficient volume to consider making things like deimos rhinos and alternate contemptor parts in plastic.

>>52599281

Duncan rocks the tassel with Cataphractii termies, so I don't see why not. Plus "they're your dudes" etc.

>>52599206
>tfw you would have had a good reply for this in a day or two.
I'm going to have my Custodes Contemptor stomping on a chopped up Mk. 3 suit, but wanted to wait for one leg to finish curing before doing the other.

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>fucked up when he blindly believed in his primarch instead of getting the rest of the council to pound on Magnus' fucking bedroom doors when he went full NEET mode for 6 weeks straight
>fucked up when he facilitated that whole Legion meeting like some frat club while Leman Russ was demanding Magnus return his calls and told the Legion to fight back
>fucked up when he stayed with the Legion in the Warp instead of writing Chaos off as a lost cause
>fucked up with the Rubric
>fucked up with the Rubric again
>fucked up on and off for about 10k years
>(mind)fucked up by someone who was literally (re)born yesterday

Will Ahriman ever correct himself?

>>52599622
Wait, how did they got reverted? Wasn't that Ahriman's whole goal or something?

>>52599622
How do they explain Yvraine's ability to perform full resurrections?

If souls are gone, being devoured in the warp wouldn't that be the definitive end, even if corporeal reanimation where possible?

If the Rubric is reversed by using resurrection, does that in turn imply that the Rubric simply killed the Thousand Sons?

>>52599665
>If the Rubric is reversed by using resurrection, does that in turn imply that the Rubric simply killed the Thousand Sons?

It does seem to imply that. The Rubrics seem to just be echoes.

>>52599665
>>52599683

My funny question is since Ahriman is wearing Amon's transfused armor, would Yvraine resurrecting Amon mean that Amon hijacks Ahriman's body?

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Hi guys, I'm new to the hobby part of 40k, though I've been doing Vassal for quite some time now. I took the plunge with the release of BoO to make my Dusk Raiders, using Raven Guard rules. Mind rating my list?

Pic Related is my Knight Errant.

>>52599881
Derp, should probably post list ;)

++ The Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) ++

+ HQ +

Knight-Errant: Master-crafted Lightning Claw, Nuncio-vox

Legion Centurion: Power Fist, Tartaros Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon
···· Consul: Delegatus
···· Legion Terminator Command Squad: Chainfist, 3x Legion Space Marine Chosen, Legion Standard Bearer, 3x Power Fist, Reaper Autocannon, Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon

Legion Centurion: Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon, Psychic Mastery Level 2, Refractor Field
···· Consul: Librarian

+ Troops +

Legion Tactical Support Squad: 4x Legion Space Marines
···· Entire Squad may exchange their Flamers for:: Plasma gun
···· Legion Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Plasma Pistol

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad: 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Veteran Tactics: Marksmen
···· Additional Wargear: Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web
········ Power Weapon: Power Sword
···· Legion Veteran Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Thunder Hammer

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad: 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Veteran Tactics: Marksmen
···· Additional Wargear: Heavy Bolter and Suspensor Web
········ Power Weapon: Power Sword
···· Legion Veteran Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Thunder Hammer

+ Fast Attack +

Legion Seeker Squad: 9x Legion Seeker Space Marines
···· Legion Strike Leader: Artificer Armour
········ Power Weapon: Power Sword

+ Legion +

Legiones Astartes: XIX: Raven Guard, Loyalist

Rite of War: Chosen Duty

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Just bought a Reaver Titan.

Fire Wasps seem fitting right? They were at the Siege of Terra and a few other battles so I assume it'll work for most HH things alongside my Custodes

>>52599966

And conveniently painted in Blood Ravens colors, too.

>>52586041
Oh my god I just realized the number 9 is suppossed to look like a dick with balls.

Assuming I file down the arrow, these are fine to use, right? I kinda want to use them for something on my night lords. Maybe termies or something.

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>>52599978

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>>52599978
What.

Do you not realize Fire Wasps are the standard ForgeWorld colorscheme for Titans.

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>>52595204

Dear FW:

Stop bullshitting already and release the rest of primarchs.

Sincerely, Anon.

>>52600122
Magnus is in May.

>>52596748
no it's ushabti bone

>>52599917
Looks decent-ish, I'd suggest at least one ravens talons on the chosen, Str 5 on charge, master crafted shred and rending is no joke, and at least allows you to clear PA bodies simultaneously on init while still threatening 2+. while RTs are expensive they do allow your terminator CS to be a pretty serious threat to just about anything, don't assume the price tag isn't worth it.

Kight errant is very iffy, which oath of moment are you using? keep in mind that unless you give the KE infiltrate somehow he cannot join any of your squads because of ICs not being able to join infiltrators unless they themselves posses infiltrate.

extra power weapons on the seeker and vet squads and the support squad plasma pistol (which is redundant, sarge already gets a gun like everyone else) are easily enough to get you some transports or some land speeders for anti-tank punch. Do not always count on infiltrate to get you where you need to be.

>>52599881
>Dusk Raiders, using Raven Guard rules
Wat

So how would you make blackshield origin interesting besides "they were betrayed/got bored and became pirates"?

>>52600354
Closest thing to their tactics from what little I've read. Strike from the darkness hard and fast, and make sure they don't get up again.

And before you ask, fuck Night Lords.

>>52600438
Infighting during the start of the heresy killed off all their command-level officers. Suddenly a bunch of line Astartes are the masters of their own ship and fate, and realize they enjoy fighting aliens, not each other. So it's off the grid to continue the adventure they WERE having before Horus fucked it all up.

>>52600438
Alien artifact or warp fuckery wiped or altered their memories and convinced them that they and their serfs are the only uncorrupted humans left in the universe.

>>52600438
Fucking around with mechanicus brain-implants or reversed butcher's nails has turned them into a pseudo-hivemind. HQs are not individuals, but rather the most physically fit bodies under the gestalt's control. Falling back or pinning is the gestalt attempting to preserve its host bodies, because the more brains attached to the network, the more processing power it has.

>>52600438
Secret Terrran faction of the legion decides not to report to muster when their Primarch is found. They'll continue the crusade on their terms.

At least, that's,my background.

>>52600122
Kit bash your own, it's fun. What primarch are you after?

>>52599881
>that pic
Fuck what have I've been drinking today

Without being that guy, is a balanced and fair Reaver loadout the Gatling Blaster, Apocalypse Missile Launcher, and the Laser Blaster?

I'm tempted to run two Laser Blasters but it seems douchey.

>>52585050
Wait people actually like that piece of shit on the right?

Fucking why.