Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>52576210
Not sure, but let's talk about meme characters now. Which ones do you want to see fight? Any crossover fights? Who do you think would make the best tag-team, in terms of character and mechanical build?

>>52576230
Mine because my whole life is a meme!

>>52576230
I want to see Tia fight Aster while Quinn cries alone in the corner.

>>52576230
Kill yourself.

>>52576230
I want to see Onryou and Valeriya duke it out for the title of true meme queen of /pfg/.

>>52576294
I want to be a meme queen! How can I become one?

>>52576230
I want to see Etan, Rory, and Casimir, all back-to-back-to-back, surrounded by the hordes of evil and fighting for their lives.

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>>52576294
And then they both get some soup to fill up their bellies?

>>52576313
>semen filled soup
So like... Just semen, then?

>>52576313
>dat filename

Nigga what

>>52576210
My vote is on *actually female*.
Which seems to be about as rare as anything can get around these parts.

>>52576326
Did you not see his logs, where he apparently has enough semen to leave a girl "looking ready to pop with twins, her skin taught and shiny, her navel having popped out from the sheer internal pressure"? What ELSE is he going to feed us

>>52576349
Nigga PUT THAT SHIT IN SPOILERS

Shapeshifters mang, no sense of right or wrong

>>52576349
I think that's an actual feat in Pathfinder Vices

>>52576294
That doesn't sound like a fair fight.

>>52576230
>Any crossover fights?

Iolanthe getting grappled and dominated by Onryou.

>>52576349
"If you're going to have such a stupidly enormous dick like that then the least you can do it put it to good use!"

>>52576386
Oh my god, is that an actual quote? I swear to god, that shit just made me go drier.

>>52576406
"Y-yeah, all things in the world are mine to possess and that includes this ridiculously enormous cock."

this shit is pure memes

>>52576349
>>52576386
Where are these quotes from?

Some log?

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Someone please tell me there's hope for proper bug people despite... this thing from paizo

>>52576415
Yes, the log Roryanon leaked.

>>52576415
https://pastebin.com/zUGVAmbf

Roryanon leaked his ERP logs with Auroranon.

Without asking permission.

It was not his brightest move.

>>52576434
DUDE WHAT THE FUCK STOP REPOSTING THIS

>>52576434
>actually linking them
>after the last time this happened

ANON NO

>>52576442
Sorry, Rory, anonymous never forgets.

>>52576465
Not even Roryanon, its not fair to the other person to be reposting this shit.

>>52576434

It's not cool to post this, but it's surprisingly meme dense!

>>52576471
Hi auroranon

>>52576484
>Not understanding basic empathy

>>52576484
Not them either, nice guesses.

I'm just not an asshole.

>>52576491
>>52576505
Those timestamps

Would anyone want to play in an RotJR campaign, but Ameiko is replaced with Rory? It could be RorytJR

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>>52576547
>implying people can't post approximately a minute apart ever
>implying i didn't edit a (you) out of this screenshot

sasuga

>>52576491
>>52576505
Incoming poorly photoshopped screencap.

>>52576434
>without permission

Oh, like you just did. Aren't you delightful. How about you make a new "brightest move" and move along with your life. Or kys.

Let memeing dogs die.

>>52576566
You're too late.

>>52576564
>>52576566
THOSE timestamps

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>haven't checked /pfg/ in a while let's see what's going on
>animefaggot is still making OP's
>character circlejerks
>ERP shit
I don't know what I expected, to be honest.

>>52576582
Memedog needs his redemption arc. Maybe if he RELEASES BLOOD MOUNTAIN AND POW ERRATA

>>52576596
This is the worst /pfg/ in awhile

Last thread was better

We had fun.

We demanded logs

Look what that has brought us.

>>52576614
I want new, consentually released logs.

>>52576471
You're right

https://pastebin.com/g6KKYqPv

Now the logs have been properly anonymized to protect the innocent.

>>52576294
Full initiator vs. double monk. I wonder who will come out on top.

>>52576630
There's already two Rorys in Dragons2

And neither of them has a vagina

One has a boipussy

>>52576640
Shape
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>>52576630
just stop

>>52576630
You realize this makes you no better than the memedog himself.

>>52576674
I never claimed to be. I too am a shapeshifter with no sense of right and wrong.

>>52576674
You realize this is probably roryanon trying to paint other anons as being worse than he is.

>>52576688
Unlikely

>>52576423

What do we know about that race? I admit, I missed the last Starfinder update.

What meta would you want to see that isn't currently popular?

>>52576696
Exactly what Rory would say.

>>52576688
Well, at least he was only dumb enough to post them once.

>>52576688
>>52576704

Why would I falseflag and repost something that will kill my chances of ever getting into another /pfg/ game again? It's nonsensical, anon.

>>52576711
This guy has the right idea.

>>52576700

Sexually aggressive titty monsters and curious, full-hearted virgin hunks.

>>52576767
This is my fetish.

>>52576721
Redemption through martyrdom.

>>52576773
What do you mean by that anon

>>52576807
>I'd like to play a dragoon
My sweet child of summer.

>>52576607
What happened in the last thread?

>>52576825
We got to have stock market fun again

>>52576828
BARA META RISING, YAOI-META UPCOMING

SELL WAIFU STOCKS NOW!

>>52576698
Bug people addicted to independance and making their own choices. Doing their own thing gives them a chemical high because they control how much pleasure they get from making choices.

Despite their addiction to doing what they want they totally work great with everyone else and put the group ahead of themselves.

Three genders, the Host receives from both male and female then incubates.

>>52576849

I read that as Baba.

Grandma PC WHEN

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>>52576849
>mfw fujo-DM meta is coming

MY TIME IS NOW

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I recently joined a pathfinder campaign for the first time. My first character died so I need to make a new one.

I know Pathfinder is supposed to be really minmaxy and animu, so I want to make a dragoon that can achieve jump to space. Two questions

1. How do I optimize my jump?

2. How do I deal my fall damage to the enemy, but not to myself?

>>52576792
Just like the attempts at overmeming the Rory character, he's hoping that after reposting the leaked logs a few times people will start to see him as the victim and forget that he was the shithead who leaked the logs in the first place. Just look at how people are already jumping to the "why would he post it again" narrative.

>>52576864
>Grandma PC WHEN

I'm making one now! But not for a pfg game

>>52576878
You're a fucking idiot if you think that idiot is going to repost logs.

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Should I go through each Avowed pact one by one and write down my thoughts so I can provide better feedback, help people get a better idea of what each pact is trying to be, and forge danker shitposts so we stop spamming the same tired meme over and over jesus, even I'm tired of it

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>>52576864
I played one in a one-shot

Pic related is my feelings on the matter

>>52576855

I imagine that the ones who "do what they want" in such a way that it causes problems end up as ingredients at exotic food stands.

That said, I'm surprised it's taken this long to introduce tri-gendered aliens. It's not exactly unheard of in sci-fi.

I kinda wanna play a shortstack tiefling sorceress.

>>52576904
>Underestimating Rory's stupidity
Shiggy diggy

>>52576989
Do it.

>>52576867
Also, I'd like to be able to attack in midair, am I limited to bows or would shurikens be viable?

>>52576824
What do you mean by that?

>>52576855
>Three genders, the Host receives from both male and female then incubates.
Not a biologist, but what possible purpose could that serve?

Why have a whole 'nother gender when you can just have external fertilization or something and guard the eggs?

>>52577003
>Underestimating how much everyone in DG1+2 tore him a new one
Go shiggy some other cuck's diggy.

>>52576917
Nah. Probably best to just ignore the avowed at this point and let it work for its niche builds.

>>52577009
Being a FF dragoon in Pathfinder is very difficult. It's brought up here every once and a while, but it just doesn't work until really late levels. Like beyond 10th.

>>52577022
Is this some insider information?

>>52577042
Yeah i'll confirm Rory's asshole was torn wide open for that shit

>>52576767
>Sexually aggressive titty monsters
I feel like that's all titty monsters

>>52577027
What if I homebrewed a class?

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>>52577079
can confirm

>>52576773
Unless all the people saying rory wouldn't repost the logs are rory himself, it seems like it would actually be a winning tactic. Hell, if Rory didn't do it this time and there aren't any consequences from this repost, he really should try posting it again in a few weeks to make himself look like even more sympathetic.

>>52577086
That's basically your only real option. Homebrew a class or a discipline for PoW.

>>52577110
Shut the fuck up dude

>>52577026
Why's that such a bad thing? Classes being for niche builds is the point of the system having classes.

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>>52577110
That's very cynical, anon! You should believe in people more!

>>52576596
The hell is this?
Those poor russian officials.
No one should have to deal with that.

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>>52577099
>>52577079
>>52576767
Where were you when DHB made a pint sized titty monster?

>>52577026
I'm mostly annoyed because any legitimate complaints have become nigh impossible to tell apart from memes.

>>52576625
Do you actually, though?

>>52576982
Whole race is addicted to doing their own thing

Where is the line between role play gaming, and an improv group?

I've always played DnD/Pathfinder as a game where the characters are aware of what a Fort save and a hitpoint are. But playing games with strangers has taught me that some people play their characters as though they're completely unaware of the mechanics of their universe.

Which is correct? Which is more fun? Which do you prefer?

>>52576867
>>52577009
Take at least 4 levels of Ninja, up to 10. At levels 2 and 4 take the Acrobatic Master and High Jumper ninja tricks. At level 10 you would lower the DC to jump by half again, which is 1/4 (or a 1-1 ratio for Acrobatics check-distance jumped vertically). If you take two levels of Air Kineticist you can also grab Air's Leap which will double your jump distance. Plus you can toss wind shuriken or some weaboo shit. The important part is increasing your base movespeed so you can actually jump that far.

>>52577204
>as a game where the characters are aware of what a Fort save and a hitpoint are
What the actual fuck, how autistic can one man be?

>>52577204
>I've always played DnD/Pathfinder as a game where the characters are aware of what a Fort save and a hitpoint are.
Wait what? Who the fuck does this?

>>52577020
No idea. Maybe paizo gender politics

>>52577188
sure hwy not, they could make some fun memes

>>52577191

I'm saying, the ones who aren't made into Thai cuisine are probably the ones who do what they're told because it's what they were planning to do all along, for sure.

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>>52577204
>>52577215
>>52577230

Maybe the game is one of those "trapped in an MMO" or isekai games?

>>52577246
padded

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>>52577079
>>52576767
Got it covered

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>>52577270

>>52577230
>>52577215
There are literal mechanics in the game that inform you of how many hit points something has.
>>52577204
It's always the middle road with these things. Characters are aware of their own mechanics/what they're capable of, but they wouldn't speak in term of I do xdy or I have a +20 fort. They'd know they can shits hit hard and tend to be pretty resilient. If something is low on hit points, it looks tired, weak, and wounded.

>>52577259
b u l l y !

>>52577295
>There are literal mechanics in the game that inform you of how many hit points something has.
What feature gives you the exact number rather than a response based on the range of the number?

>>52576434
>>52576434
I'm loath to respond to this, but are showers even a thing on golarion?

>>52577246
I'd like to be trapped in Chris' MMO.

>>52577335
off the top of my head
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/slayer/slayer-talents/paizo-slayer-talents/blood-reader/

>>52577335
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/slayer/slayer-talents/paizo-slayer-talents/blood-reader/

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>post yfw ERP logs of Essa are released

>>52577295
Sure, but the character isn't going "Oh, it has 37 hit points!", they're going "hm, I could probably down that in three or four shots..."

>>52577295
Sure, like I wouldn't tell anyone how much I can deadlift. But KNOW how much I can deadlift.

Okay,but if they pick up a +1 keen longsword, they know it's a +1 keen longsword right?

I know what a copper jacketed bullet is, and how many rounds per second a machine gun can fire. I know roughly my lung capacity, and my resting heartrate.

These are just numbers, the real world is numbers, the Pathfinder world is also just numbers, it's just different numbers.

>>52577369
>post yfw its mindbreak

>>52577360
>>52577362
That is such a fucking strange ability.

Still though, anyone who actually plays in such a way that "characters know all the mechanics of the system they exist in and the world's mechanics are common knowledge" should be taken out back and shot.

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>>52577390

>>52577390
>post yfw it's Rory doing the mindbreaking

>>52577397
I know the mechanics of the world I live in.

>>52577388
Yeah that's what I'm saying.

>>52577388
There is a big difference between "how much I can dead lift" and working backwards to understand that "if I poke this man with a toothpick for the minimum 1 damage 37 times he'll pass out and begin to die".

>>52577411
Really? That's fascinating, and I'm sure our greatest physicists would be amped to hear from you, given how little THEY know.

>>52577390
Somebody explain to me how exactly the mindbreak meme got into /pfg/. Is it really that this general is so thirsty that they'll buy the Japanese "women are destined to lose to cocks" shit?

>>52577428
No, but we know quite a bit.

>>52577246
Isekai might be the most revolting thing to come out of anime in a while. It's like the japanese can no longer consume fantasy media unless it is fed to them in the form of isekaishit.

I mean fuck, Overlord felt like a fantasy anime that they had to hamfist MMO shit into so that the japanese could watch it without having their shit taste forcibly improved.

>>52577411
Ok, tell me how many hit points Steve has.

>>52577445
We don't live in a system with hitpoints.

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>>52577430
>"women are destined to lose to cocks"
Not just women, nobody can beat the cock.

>>52577430
Mindbreak is specifically Essa related because DHB

And because thats the meme.

>>52577427
I know that if I slice your femoral artery you'll be dead in about 4 minutes.

>>52577428
That's a weak argument. Phsycists are pretty well informed on all the mechanics of a human being. If you want to talk about quantum wave fluctuations then I suggest you go to /sci/

>>52577430
>not wanting to be the mindbroken sex toy of a dominate, titty monster punchgirl
It must be terribly difficult, living with such poor tastes.

>>52577441
We really don't. We know basically nothing.

>>52577369

I'd rather see the ERP logs between Casimir and Valeriya.

>>52577445
Steve doesn't have any hitpoints. Steve is not a Pathfinder character.

>>52577456
And your evidence for this is?

Our real world has enormous amounts of mechanics we have no idea how they work, we've only known how radio waves work for a century, we still have next to no understanding of the mechanics behind gravity.

You're acting like we know everything about our universe, we don't by a long shot.

>>52577215
>>52577230
Someone who started TTRPGs with Earthdawn.

>>52577471
Would you settle for ERP logs between Gloriana, Cashmere and a couple of drunken sailors?

>>52577369
Despite /pfg/ going wild over this for some reason, I don't think DHB is the type of person to just cocksleeve his character like a hentai or post logs like that.

>>52577484
We understand all the mechanics of Gravity. We just don't know what particle transmits gravity between particles with mass.

But I know that if you jump off a building you will accelerate a ~9.8m/s/s until you hit the ground.

Are there any shortstack races with big floppy ears?

>>52577462
And in pathfinder and most D&D like systems the mechanics are obscured from the observer. We can work them out and see how they back track because we have the rules.

Having characters be perfectly aware of it because they can back calculate is fucking stupid. You may as well be playing in an Isekai setting.

It's just a fact that D&D can't have as complicated mechanics as the real world. I treat characters as knowning as much as makes sense for the skills they have if we apply D&D to a real world knowledge framework.

Because otherwise the in character thoughts of "this man has a +4 will save" is fucking stupid and overall not pleasant to play in or with.

>>52577494

Yes! Give!

>>52577110
>>52576878

Anon why would I do that. I am Rory and I refuse to even touch those logs. Instead, guess what- if I ever get around to it I'm gonna post an Akashic PoW discipline, a conversion of the Soulborn to use it, a remix of the Shadowcaster, and guides for the REST of the SoP classes

and PoW errata

>>52577540
Asura maybe

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What sort of things are your characters willing to fight for, /pfg/?

>>52577570
Meat, a good bed, potentially money

>>52577570
The Truth, Redemption, Freedom from His Guilt, A Reason to Die.

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>>52577540

>>52577570

Love and family.

>>52577443
Actually, it seems it travelled east to them.
There's a ridiculous amount of it in russia since decades ago. Then China started doing it too. A lot.

>>52577456
Yeah all we get are abstract wound levels like "damaged goods" and "critically FUBAR'd"

>>52577570
Fuck that!

What sort of things are your characters willing to grant mercy for? It's too easy to just say "Oh yes, I kill everything and bathe in their blood and jerk off with their organs cause I'm that dark and edgy and cool" But think deep, and decide. What would convince your character to not take another's life?

>>52577570
Money, testing and training his abilities, his crush.

That's pretty much it.

>>52577494
seconding >>52577552

>>52577550
Where is any of that written in the rules themselves?

If I'm a wizard with 20 int and 20 in all knowledge skills and perception, and I see a common creature with which I am familiar, I am going to have a lot more knowledge of it's reflex save than just "low" or "high".

20 int is genius, 20 knowledge is well studied, he would know precisely the physics of a fireball (as given by the rulebook) and precisely how that is going to interact with a creatures reflex save.

In terms of the fighter with 8 int, sure he's not going to know shit, but he's going to fail his knowledge check anyway.

>>52577626
Were they his ally? Did they ever help him? Can they cook a good meal?

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>>52577540

>>52577663
I'm not saying it's written in the rules. I'm saying I run my games that way and people who don't have shit taste and should be taken out back and shot.

>>52577570
An Industrial Revolution for the World, Friendship and a happy assassination life, Retracing her Beloved Mentor's Steps in the World, Maintaining her Reputation in her Beloved Town, Protecting her beloved home of Sandpoint

I am a Slice of Life-fag.

>>52577702
Fighting to protect your daily life is god tier taste my friend.

>>52577570
Fame

>>52577601
>A Reason to Die.
>fighting for a reason to die
I don't get it

>>52577682
I honestly find the whole
>You have mastery of strange magic there friend
>My magic is derived from the power of the mind

Conversations to be utterly stupid.

>What class are you
>Psion

Is how the conversation would actually take place. Because it's true.

>>52577746
they're the same weight.

>>52577747
>not constantly snipping at one another to prove your psionic or arcane superiority
>not ganging up on the divine caster in the group
>not (harmlessly) sabotaging each other
I feel bad for groups that don't clown on one another.

>>52577760

But steel weighs more than feathers.

>>52577779
But where does the occult magic user fit in, anon?

>>52577787
I know, but they're the same weight.

>>52577500
That's why we want it. Forbidden fruit tastes all the sweeter.

>>52577747
And I'm saying you have shit taste friendo.

Besides, let's take Wizard for instance. There are a fuck ton of different kinds of wizard. Not only archetypes but different schools.

You ask:
>Oh boy friendo that's some magic you got there
>Yeah I trained in divination at the Korvosan academy

Having a concept of what "class" is from a system respect not only is dumb because of the number of archetypes, multiclassing, feats, and templates making people of even the same class vastly different, but also is dumb as fuck from a flavor perspective. I reiterate that someone who prefers that as their flavor has shit taste and wouldn't be welcome at my table.

>>52577792
The bin.

>>52577746
He isn't allowed to die yet. He's fighting so he can convince himself that he's worthy of suicide.

>>52577779
>tfw the party's arcane caster could have spent time crafting useful items but instead crafted a bag of infinite dung to hang upside-down outside of the rogue's house

Clowning on each other is great.

>>52577803

I don't get it.

>>52577570
Money and sex and loot and money.

Why fight for high minded ideals when enough force washes them away?

>>52577814
>Putting the Occult classes down
>Putting the Occultist down

Anon why.

>>52577808
Right so the big dumb fighter is expected to know what the Korvosan academy is, but not what a Wizard is.

That's stupid.

Your table is stupid.

>>52577858
Because if I wanted to roleplay having a seance, I'd have a seance.

>>52577626
See
>>52577846

>>52577861
I mean. He would know what Korvosa is and know what an academy is presumably.

And honestly, the subject of classes is kinda weird. Some classes are in universe concepts like other's aren't.
Like see
>Wizard
>Cleric
>Alchemist
Which are all occupations people in universe could reasonably have as opposed to say
>Barbarian
>Kineticist
>Fighter
Which no one would call themselves.

>>52577879
>Implying the Occultist isn't the best 6-level caster Paizo has put out
>Implying the Occultist doesn't shit all over the Warpriest and Magus

Kill yourself.

>>52577861
The fighter is not supposed to know what either are because he doens't have spellcraft to know enough about magic. We probably has a vague idea of what 'arcane magic' means. Wizards would call themselves many things from diviner, conjurer, abjurist, caller, pact lord, Mr.Gun, and more. Different wizards can be vastly different to the point you don't recognize the two as the same class. Saying that they all would tell you 'wizard' despite how diverse it is would be dumb, you're dumb and you are not muh nigga

>>52577914
Everything shits all over a magus.

>>52577903
Fighter used to be "fighting man", which is way more likely to be on the "occupation" section of a dude's bio.

>>52577903
Likely most folks wouldn't be able to tell a Cleric and Inquisitor apart for instance, especially with the number of archetypes.

Speaking of Inquisitors let's take a Living Grimoire and a Sacred Huntsman. Would both tell you they're an "Inquisitor". Fuck no.

>>52577946
Except Inquisitor is an actual occupation with very different duties and expectations as opposed to that of a Cleric.

>>52577946
An an Inquistor would say they're an Inquistior because the default fluff for Inquisitors are that they are actual Spanish inquisition style inquisitors.

>>52577964
>Except Inquisitor is an actual occupation with very different duties and expectations as opposed to that of a Cleric.
Except the occupation is extremely broad. Two inquisitors may be so different as to not be recognizable. There are archetypes that make inquisitors separate from the church even.

Inquisitor is not a occupation as a good number of them don't go for the prescribed "hunt enemies of the faith".

>>52577903
>Which no one would call themselves.

why not? It's true.

>>52577919
Yeah so a figher would be able to understand "Wizard" but only a fellow wizard would understand "Spellslinger wizard with enchantment and necromancy as my opposition schools" or whatever.

Which is precisely how the conversations go in game where retarded role playing rules are not enforced.

>>52577979
That's why I mentioned a Sacred Huntsman and a Living Grimoire. Living Grimoires aren't supposed to hunt enemies of the faith like normal inquisitors do.

A sacred huntsman do what it says on the tin.

>>52577997
No one would say they're just a "barbarian" or a "kineticist".

>>52577997
>Yeah so a figher would be able to understand "Wizard" but only a fellow wizard would understand "Spellslinger wizard with enchantment and necromancy as my opposition schools" or whatever.
Honestly telling someone you're a "wizard" is not what I have a problem with.

it's the question part

Someone asking "hey what class are you", fucking breaks it for me something fierce because the entire idea of someone knowing and understanding what a 'class' is in the context of the system fucking breaks it for me.

>>52578006
>Living Grimoire
>The living grimoire literally wields the sacred word of his deity, using his holy tome to smite the foes of his god with divine might.
They do. They just do it because they're brainy instead of wise, because REASONS.

>>52578006
>Living Grimoire Inquisitor
>Reliquarian Occultist
Int-based divine casters when?

>>52577914
Chill fampai.

Occultists are pretty great if you can handle fiddly bullshit with focus and that battle panoply casually shits on a Magus that isn't built to the nines, but the Warpriest is surprisingly flexible in combat and has a strong list. If you manage one of the summon Blessings, a Warpriest can last a lot longer than your average 6th caster. It just exists in this weird spot where its parent classes are (now) better feeling (Fighter) or straight better (Cleric).

A Warpriest archetype that got Eldritch Scoundrel/Warlock Vigilante casting is such an obvious patch for Magus I'm kind of surprised it hasn't happened yet.

>>52578035
Never, because it doesn't really make sense.

Honestly, Divine Casters should be Charisma and Sorcererous stuff should have been Wisdom.

>>52577997
You have a Rogue and a dex based Fighter.

Are they gonna tell you they're a rogue and a fighter?

You have a viking fighter. Is he gonna tell you he's a fighter? But he rages like a barbarian?

You have a cavalier and a mounted barbarian. Well what now?

>>52578057
Is a vigilante gonna tell you he's a vigilante? How do you differentiate him from a guy who wears a mask?

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How's your Thursday going /pfg/? Any new character or campaign ideas you wanna share?

>>52578083
It's extremely painful if I take it off.

Everyone has some kind of houserule for TWF enabling standard-action attacks with both weapons, right?

Doesn't that buff Magus a lot? Or is that not even what they need?

>>52578090
Kingbreaker. The extremely generic and overused story of a bunch of ragtags putting together a people's army to war with and defeat an evil monarchy.

Which as far as I know no AP covers because what the fuck Paizo.

>>52578014
Why not? It's true.

>>52578030
But that's the universe that the characters live in. What breaks it for me is that there is some restriction on what they're allowed to learn about the universe they actually live in. They don't live in our universe, they don't have organs protected by rib cages, they have hit point protected by fort saves. That is the actual truth of their universe.

>>52578057
Yes, yes, and I don't know what you're asking.

>>52578140
Hell's rebels?

>>52578140
Yeah, I think they had that. It was called Hell's Vengeance

>>52578140
This is actually something that really bothers me, not just with Paizo APs but seemingly all media. We can't have a "generic and overused" story, but that's gone on so long that it's almost novel to have it be played straight, and definitely rare.

Fuck you I liked Buddy Complex and MJP.

>>52578131
>Everyone has some kind of houserule for TWF enabling standard-action attacks with both weapons, right?
Fuck I wish

>Doesn't that buff Magus a lot? Or is that not even what they need?
I don't think it actually works like that, but if it does it might be cool. Doesn't fix jack shit that's actually wrong with them, but it does mean moving around and casting non-spellstrike-able spells becomes a bit more valid.

>>52578131
>that houser level
No, I just use PoW.

>>52578165
>>52578168
IT'S NOT THE SAME OKAY? HR DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH WAR, AND HV ISN'T HEROIC ENOUGH.

>>52578090
A couple of character ideas

>a ditzy bloodrager girl who happens to be very good in combat and very good in a debate, and is an absolute sweetheart... unless you hurt her friends.

>a campaign wherein the players are a teenage DnD group that plays in a hospital. They're all crippled despite having able-bodies, and this mystifies the doctors, as no treatment works- until a mysterious man approaches them and, through therapy, can treat them
>The catch is that they're put into a coma for a week or two at a time.
>During that coma they all have a collective dream wherein they search for the cause of their condition
>It needs work.

>>52578205
Please be Fire Emblem GM. I miss you.

>>52578190
Bit of an overkill option for the simple thing they want

>>52576210
Depends on the character. A Surly and brutish Fighter I made was solid 8 on your chart and a gunfighter I played was a slightly dusty 3.

>>52578164
>Yes, yes, and I don't know what you're asking.
How does a rogue and a fighter know they are a rogue and fighter? Or a cavalier and barbarian know they classes? Especially if they have archetypes that give them class features from other classes?

What about a Rogue 3/Fighter 3/Bard 2, what does he tell you? Does he say "oh yeah I'm multiclassed rogue, fighter, bard."

>>52578221
I'm sorry to disappoint you but I'm not even a regular /pfg/ poster. Good luck finding him.

>>52578236
It's alright, I wish you the best on making a fun, played straight run of a campaign.

>>52578090
I desperately want an Evil game to apply to.

Do non-human Aasimar/Tieflings still age as humans do?

>>52578271
Depends on if your GM uses those tiefling/aasimar aging tables. If not, they probably just use their parent race's ages.

>>52578235
>How do a Rogue and Fighter know which class they are

One of them doesn't collapse in heavy armor, the other can stab people in the kidneys really hard and is multitalented in mundane skill exploits.

A Cavalier and a Barbarian are so different in flavor I have to assume you're being deliberately mechanically reductionist because you're triggered by a versimilitude violation. For one thing, unless you take an archetype (which would then have the character refer to themselves via the archetype name), a Cavalier is a mounted chargemonkey and (again, without a specific archetype) a Barbarian is a grounded chargemonkey. Also, when one of them goes berserk and can't do anything requiring higher mental acuity than BURN MAIM KILL, that might be a tipoff.

>>52578235
How do you know you're race? Or your profession? Or your current health status? Or that you have certain skills?

If I can do origami, I know that I can do origami. I don't couch it in "I am a master of folding paper" because I'm not allowed to know what origami is.

If I work as a Barista, then I know I work as a Barista, I know how long I've worked as a Barista, I know how much I am paid to be a Barista.

If I am an engineer I know all of the above, plus I know the exact tensile strength of a given type of steel, I know precisely how much force will be required to break that steel, and I know a dozen different ways to apply that force.

The rules of our universe are a lot more complicated, but none of them are hidden from us. We don't pretend they are something other than what they are. We don't have perfect knowledge but no knowledge about the universe is forbidden to us by agreement between the voices inside our heads that tell us what to do.

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>>52578090

It's going well, thank you. I'll be trying out a Mooncursed Barbarian for a game this weekend-should be a lot of fun.

>>52578327
>One of them doesn't collapse in heavy armor, the other can stab people in the kidneys really hard and is multitalented in mundane skill exploits.
What about a rogue with heavy armor proficiency? Or a fighter with sneak attack dice and extra skill points from an archetype?

What about a Viking fighter and a Barbarian with Heavy armor training. How do you tell those two apart?

Let's say the mounted barbarian is an urban barbarian.

>>52578218
Fund it, I'd play it

>>52578090
I'm excited to play a nothing, I just run games

>>52578342
The thing is they're likely not going to use the class name but some this descriptive. A fighter is much more likely going to call himself a mercenary, soldier, or swordsman than a fighter.

Unless he knows what a "class" is which implies he knows what levels are.

>post app to pfg game on a whim, not a very thought out char, just for fun
>several other well thought out apps, makes me really want to roleplay with them
>realize i have no chance of getting in
>keep thinking of how much i want to play with these other people and fantasize adventures about my characters
>but i know i'll get rejected

Im not supposed to feel like this over online campaigns, what the hell man?

>>52578399
Who was yours? Perhaps we can help you clean that app up a bit.

>>52578399
which game.

>>52578412
That would terrify me so i'll just sit here in silence and regret my casual app.. not to mention i'd feel worse if i get rejected for a an app i actually worked on sincerely

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>>52578221
Which Fire Emblem GM is this?

>>52578433
Well you're never going to get into a game with an attitude like that. Seriously, I'm in a mood to write a review.

>>52578342
So you're saying that in your setting everyone knows what classes and levels are?

What wackjob setting is this?

>>52578436
There's more than one?

>>52578433
Anon! You have to try and get better! We all want to help you improve and get into games! There's nothing to fear!

>>52578449
Just review everyone as they make applications so i dont need watch the threads

>>52578399
I got into lobaf with 0 effort. Don't sweat it

>>52578467
But I still don't know what game. Give us a hint, at least?

>>52578467
Yeah tell us teh game at least!

>>52577179
Do it then, anon. I'm interested in seeing someone else's perspective. I have my idea of it, but I want to like the class, so I'd be okay with someone showing me the good aspects of it.

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>>52578399
Anon I made game apps as shitposts and got into at least one game, and got a good review for another. If I can slap shit together for giggles and make it, you can casually put something in for fun and get in.

Why is dexfagging the biggest trap ever? Even looking at PoW, with feat taxes:

Mystic, katana and waki prof make you think you can be a magical samurai.

Well problem is katana can't be finessed, so now you need daisho expertise. Then you need deadly agility.

Want to use mithral current? Well you need quick draw.

The basics of the build don't even come online until level 3, and that's if you spend two of your feats just bringing you in line with a two handed weapon using 14 str and PA.

>>52578525
>dexfagging
>a trap

Just buy a fucking effortless lace you pussy

>>52578398
Like I said, a Barista knows what a Barista is (His class). He knows how long he's been a Barista (his experience ergo his level). And he knows how much he is paid to be a Barista (what his class and level get him).

In the case of an engineer (Wizard) he also knows his target (knowledge), the targets precise strength (hitpoints) and ways to apply force to break it (the damage of his spells).

It's just a different set of rules and the real world rules are more complicated.

And pretending that the rules of the pathfinder universe are actually the rules of the real world is stupid. Characters with low int wouldn't know anything but the most basic stuff about their world (class, race, level), while characters with high int would know a great deal about the mechanics of their universe (a greater understanding of the rules) and this is exactly what is implied by the game rules themselves.

>>52573796
I'm a martial, if I'm not hitting dudes in melee those dudes are hitting the squishy dudes (well, singular, dude) in my party. If I'm in melee I'm getting tripped almost surely

>>52573735
>>52573496
The group is a Barb/Oracle (who suffers the same problems as me but thanks to a combo with 1 level in Oracle he can avoid being tripped at least once every turn), an Unchained Monk (me) and a Rogue/Oracle/Bard, we're 9th level. Barb and Me are getting tripped most of the time (me way more times than he), the caster is always far away from us and he leaves the moment there's a serious problem

We talked with the GM but because we can also use maneuvers (that we fail almost always) it's a fair game according to him

Game is a translation from an old 3.5 game but I could stand up from prone as a free action without provoking in there thanks to having 12 ranks in tumble and the Barb didn't have a problem because the rolls to beat and avoid being tripped back then were lower

>>52578525
See, that's because Mithral Current is a trap on non-bushis, not dexfagging. Dexfagging in PoW, when also using feat taxes (especially ones that give PA based on BAB and not stats), is one, maybe two feats to completely invalidate str.

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>>52578131
Hey! I have that rule. I modified my weapon styles houserule sheet to actually help the Magus's unusual TWF case yesterday, with some other changes (the Magus bit is a footnote on the page). I also added an oddball secondary use to the feat, where you can forgo your off-hand attacks to ready an attack with the weapon, which they can also use.

At least a couple anons here seem to like using it, idk. It emphasizes just giving weapon styles unique uses instead of trying to get them all competing for damage (which just homogenizes them).

>>52578369
A Rogue with heavy armor proficiency is still a multi-skilled, nimble and frail combatant who is marginally less accurate and squishier than the martial adept who is tough and skilled at all arms. You can shift the goalposts all you want, but that just means we start talking about indelible parts of the class design, like BAB, saves and hit die.

The Barbarian is more adept at tapping into their rage, can do more while in a Rage, can move faster (Armored Fury keeps Fast Movement in heavy armor), is hardier and more nimble (highest HD in the game, good Ref saves).

The Viking is better trained in skill at arms (if they keep Weapon Training/AWT). If they don't, they're known as an inferior version of the Barbarian.

The mounted barbarian being an urban barbarian means they have no innate way to be a mounted charger, lack the courtly skills of the Cavalier, the tactical acumen and leadership qualities (no Tactician or Flagbearer abilities) and instead of demanding satisfaction for damage, they flip the fuck out and gain physical prowess.

This isn't a difficult concept: you are defined by what you do and your innate abilities. These abilities are unique enough to be classified and used for taxonomy. The grey areas occur with classes/archetypes that have intense overlap with another class/archetype. And by intense overlap, I mean 3.X Sorcerer to Wizard, Sacred Huntsmaster to stock Hunter or Exploiter Wizard to stock Arcanist.

>>52578566

It's so cool though, fuck it I guess it's broken blade forever.

>>52578591
Just don't be a fucking mystic, you nog. Bushi is still a good template on any of the three classes, and you can trait+tradition to get two more magical disciplines. Don't be a fag and just go "oh well, broken blade time, guess I can suck cocks"

>>52578591
>ACTUALLY USING BROKEN BLADE

kill yourself

>>52578399
Just tear down your app and make a new one if you want to get in so much.

Like, you're not locked in to your mediocrity.

>>52578566
Strength is still better for some builds, but yeah, this.

So, um, I was wondering.

I've been playing Pathfinder for a little bit, and I want to know if the shit my group has done is normal, or if we just have a good DM.

Because last session, our rogue put a wyvern in a full nelson midflight, causing it to crash, writhing and swearing, down to the ground.

Our cavalier (A batshit noble based on Don Quixote) then proceeded to wash the dragon's mouth out with soap.

Is this... normal?

>>52578642
I am. I tried so hard and still got nowhere.

Improvement is a myth. You're either good at something or inclined to be good at something, or you're not.

>>52578469
Nah bro, I threw my shit together last minute and didn't make it. There was some effort, at least to start it earlier.

>>52578566
>muh "completely invalidate str" meme
>muh "feat taxes totally make str invalid"

You're still never doing as much damage nearly as easily as an equally optimized Strfag. You're still worse at combat maneuvers. Yes, Strength needs to actually have a bone thrown to it, but that just means you have to stop throwing a baby bitchfit and SUGGEST SOMETHING TO BENEFIT STRENGTH that isn't "we need more taxes".

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>>52578469
>I got into lobaf with 0 effort

I tried hard and got nothing. Maybe I didn't meme hard enough.

>>52578659

You're playing Pathfinder, nothing that happens is normal; and yet, this is normal.

>>52578700
dude it was like 30+ apps, there were a shit ton of good apps

Focus on games that aren't so fucking big, fuck, Shardwalkers and WWW both need apps.

>>52578538
Batista isn't a class it's a profession skill. Your analogy doesn't really work because you're equating professions with classes.

>>52578662
That's an excuse to not improve. Fuck that and fuck you.

Try again. Try harder. Fail better.

>>52578662
>whaaa i failed once time to give up

Fucking pussy.

>>52578734
No. When you try your absolute hardest and it still doesn't bear fruit, you realize you're wasting time.

>>52578700
Effort can't improve what's fundamentally a boring idea to start with.

Get creative.

>>52578647
It's better for warders only, and even that is on shaky ground depending on houserules. If there's custom weapons, piecemeal armor, and free weapon finesse, agile maneuvers, and power attack, it's really close. I'd personally still say go dex with all of those rules.

>>52578687
The common feat tax ruleset pfg uses gives agile maneuvers to anyone using a finesse weapon, so they aren't really better at combat maneuvers. You lose out on the +50% stat to damage with dex, but get way better ac (especially when considering the gp costs of armor), reflex, initiative, more relevant skills. I'm down with str getting more fun things; I like brutal slayer. Remember, pfg isn't one person.

>>52578585
Two wizards can share literally zero class features with each other besides spell slots. Different arcane bonds, one has an arcane school and one doesn't, different spell selection, one doesn't use a spell book. Why do they both knew they fall under the umbrella of "wizard"?

>>52578164
I kinda vibe with you on this one. My setting is heavy on SoP, so Incanters know they're better at magic than Mageknights, and a Hedgewitch knows he's not an Armorist.

That said, irl, people usually describe themselves with their jobs. So a character who is a sailor with levels of fighter would describe themselves as a sailor, or maybe as a swordsman. Not "Tactician Fighter 3/Expert 2/Bloodrager 1". A wizard who works in a library would probably say they're a librarian, or a mage if you ask about their magic. That kind of thing.

>>52578749
If you give up after failing once maybe you're a pussy who isn't willing to learn.

>>52578710

Hmm yeah, you may be right. If there's enough good apps, it comes down to GM preference and taste. Not much you can do about that.

Shardwalkers and WWW have pretty niche concepts. I think that's why they aren't so popular. I've looked at both and didn't feel any real draw to them.

>>52578773
There's nothing to learn from. I just wasted a ton of time I'm not going to get back.

>>52578627

Elemental Glyph is the main reason I wanted to make one, and I just fell into the trap of thinking maybe their free exotic profs would be worth using. But then you realize you can trade away their baked in magical crafting for wisdom to AC and weapons that innately synergize with deadly agility way better.

>>52578792
How do you know? I'd have to see your fucking character, if I did i could probably guess why it didn't get in.

>>52578662
Before I got into a game I made notes on what kind of apps succeeded and what things I noticed multiple DMs paid attention to, I slowly built a list of things I could do better on my own apps and just rolled with my failures and reviewed over them myself. The app I had that was taken still went through three drafts polishing and editing after I posted it, ignoring the work I put in before the initial one.

I improved from some pretty shit apps, I'm sure you can.

>>52578659
>Full nelson

THAT WON'T WORK ON ME, I'M A WYVERN!

>>52578794
Yeah, mystic is kinda just a mess. It's understandable to get upset. Look into aurora soul archetype + elemental flux / fool's erand discipline if you want fun punchy animu stuff.

>>52578749
That is another excuse.

You aren't retarded, are you? Like actual drooling invalid retarded? You've got working hands and eyes, right? You know how to play the game and string words together on a page, yeah?

Then you have no excuses other than what you make so you can get pity (You)s on a Mongolian Manga board. If you actually cared worth a damn, you would see what the apps that got in did and learn from them, even if it was "appeal to /pfg/'s fetishes and be a meme."

You wanna play? Git gud. You don't? Shut the fuck up and shitpost with the rest of us.

>>52578825
"whaa but i tried hard once and since i failed i can never try again, learning from mistakes is for neerds"

>>52578764
Some classes are social constructs, as well.
It's context dependent.
Obviously holy guys in armor are paladins. Obviously guys who can play great music with a bit of magic are bards. If you have a collective and you heal, you're a vitalist, and if you're powered by intellectual understanding of negative emotions and go around claiming people, you're a harbinger.

Classes as social constructs makes more sense the more specific a class' fluff and mechanics are.

>>52578838
There's nothing to learn from because I don't know what mistakes I made, if any. I'm just shit.

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>>52578817
CALM THE FUCK DOWN, JFC!

>>52578859
WELL WHY DON'T YOU TELL US WHAT THE APP IS SO WE CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE MISTAKES ARE YOU FUCKING SIMPERING CUNT?

>>52578868
Because then you'll know which account is associated with this simpering cunt.

>>52578877
So what?

>>52578818

I've been looking at all of this on the d20pfsrd, where is fool's errand?

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>>52578728
>Batista

>>52578859
Are you that same anon who, after a spiel about never getting into games, promised to submit something anonymous so that we can give feedback two Fridays ago, then failed to do so?

>>52578859
You don't know because you won't look at your own fucking failures. You just want to sit there, be salty that you didn't get in, but then be a faggot and whine in the thread without saying shit.

>>52578877
You should have just fucking owned up to that at the start instead of getting to this point, fucking dumbass.

>>52578756
The Weapon Finesse feat ALREADY gives you Dex-to-maneuvers for certain maneuvers by default. Agile Maneuvers merely extends that to everything. You still lose out on size bullshit for those, because you don't benefit as much from size increases as someone focused on Str.

Also, those feat taxe rules are fucking OLD. REALLY. FUCKING. OLD. Also made by someone who designed them for his shitty E6 homebrew variation of Pathfinder. Yet nobody's fucking bothered to update them if they're such a problem. They also do NOT AT ALL stop people from making high strength characters either, as evidenced by all the ones that keep getting submitted.

>>52578868
Actually the guy getting all self shitting about his app being horrible isn't the same as the one who wanted to play with other good apps. He's just shit but im probably going to fix up my app

>>52576210
1-3 every time, even though they're all armored warriors of some stripe.

>>52578879
Then I'll be black listed and look like a fool to my other friends whom are aware of my account.
>>52578897
What is there to look at? I worked on my shit. Went through several drafts. Wasted a ton of time, and nothing came of it.

>>52578911
Well how about you both fucking link your apps so we can help

>>52578928
Why don't you link yours first anon

>>52578907
True, things like Enlarge Person don't work as well, but that also means that you use different buffs/spells. Yeah the feat taxes are old, but the fact is, /pfg/ likes them, uses them, and they make the opportunity cost for going dex really low, if not the outright best option, numerically.

>>52578927
>Then I'll be black listed and look like a fool to my other friends whom are aware of my account.
Not unless you keep fucking whining. If you actually told someone and asked for help, you could probably find someone who's understanding.

But at this point I'm just going to assume you're trolling to get (You)s.

>>52578927
>you think it takes that little to get blacklisted

You are aware that we've literally had someone leak ERP logs and they're not even blacklisted.

>>52578945
Which one, my first successful one or my second successful one.

>>52578966
Both

>>52578955
I asked for help ages ago and never got it. Too little too late.
>>52578959
I mean. They kinda are given how much shit posting surrounds them.

>>52578979
people will get over it

>>52578978
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4741117/existing-character-sheets/?pageforid=4741122#post-4741122
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4691134/character-applications/?pageforid=4732909#post-4732909

Here ya go. Your turn.

>>52578990
I couldn't even access the app if I wanted to, the /lfg/ closed and I deleted all the drafts out of frustration for all those hours and days wasted "fine tuning" it.

>>52579010
you actually can access the /lfg/, what game and what character.

>>52578979
Let me tell you what to do, just fucking stop posting. Don't identify yourself if your afraid now. We'll just go back to thinking "some anon was a faggot, oh well, I still have other dicks to suck." and it'll be daijoubu.

>>52578756
How about we add this houserule to re-incentivize STR.

>If your STR modifier is +2 or greater, gain additional HP per level equal to half your STR modifier.
>If your BAB is +1 or greater and your STR modifier is +2 or higher, you gain the Intimidating Prowess feat as a bonus feat.
>If your STR modifier is +3 or greater, you can choose to use your STR modifier in place of your Constitution modifier for your Fortitude Saves.
>If your STR modifier is +4 or higher, you count as one size larger for the purposes of CMB and CMD. If you are already Large or Larger, this has no effect.
>The above rules are in place only for player characters and creatures defined by their class levels.

>>52579018
Nah, already tried to. You can only access to it if it was in your history already or favorited.

>>52578728
Yeah so that's just nonsense. A Barista in the real world is not even vaguely like a profession skill of a traveling adventurer.

You can't be a wizard in the real world, that's why we have RPGs.

>>52579035
Just tell me the game and the character. I will get to it.

>>52579024
It's a good start, though I'd still include a str to ac and maybe reflex option.

>>52579044
I don't want to. I'm scared.

>>52578979
I like these ideas.

>>52579052
Definitely, not the anon who posted them, but STR/CON need a bit more love. Dex is the godstat of the physicals, and needs to be taken down a peg.

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>>52579061
Ok, then we're done here.

You're shit, you'll never get into a game, and you're a pussy.

>>52578706
We also robbed a fancy inn, then bought the inn from the owner with the money that we stole from him.

>>52579073
Glad we're on the same page then.

How comfy is Book 2 of Jade Regent? If you were to change anything from the book to accommodate a /pfg/ campaign, what would it be?

>>52577471
I really wish this meme would die.

>>52579115
Same

>>52579114
Allow for some extra time between the events laid out in the book. Not too much, but maybe one or two per day rather than possibly letting the PCs end up getting rocketed through it.

Enough time for them to feel like they can get acclimated to the city.

>>52579072
It's baked in that it's better, con is hp and fort only, str is physical damage, climb, swim, and melee to hit, dex is ranged to hit, reflex, initiative, acrobatics, stealth, disable device, fly, escape artist, ride, sleight of hand. And Weapon Finesse existed in core too. Dex was always better.

>>52579114
I'd incorporate traps to kill both parties of RotJR in humiliating, excruciating ways.

>>52579175
this much salt.

>>52579189

I'm actually not salty /at all/, I just like ragging on RotJR and its Gnonconsensual Gnoll Gnonsense, Eiffel towers, and muh Seht memes

>>52579189
Hey now, I hated RotJR before it was cool to hate RotJR.
My character was so dark and broody, I don't understand why he wasn't picked!

Druma Campaign built around helping your Dwarven suppliers by reclaiming a Sky Citadel WHEN?

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>>52579205

>>52579206
I don't even remember anyone who was dark and broody in that game.

>>52579234

You... You don't remember the cannibal Dwarf?

>>52579240
He was never an applicant.

>>52579210
I think one of the later Ironfang Invasion books involves that based on their summaries.

>>52579206
Were you the guy who had someone applying as your character?

>>52579205
The first two I'll give you, but the Seht thing seems to be a self-generating theory localized entirely within the general. Mostly. If it were the kind of shit anons here make it out to be, we'd see some F-List tier shit where the players are constantly talking about how much one of them owns the other.

>>52579024
>>52579052
>>52579072

>If your STR is 15 or greater, gain additional HP per level equal to half your STR modifier.
>If your BAB is +1 or greater and your STR is 15 or greater, you gain the Intimidating Prowess feat as a bonus feat and may use your STR score in place of your DEX for Acrobatics.
>If your STR is 16 or greater, you can choose to use your STR modifier in place of your Constitution modifier for your Fortitude Saves.
>If your STR is 16 or greater, reduce the speed penalty for Medium and Heavy Armor by 5 feet. If your STR 18 or greater, increase your Armor bonus from Medium and Heavy Armor by +1. Increase it by another +1 when your STR is 22 and again at every 4 points of STR.
>If your STR modifier is +4 or higher, you count as one size larger for the purposes of CMB and CMD. If your base size is already Large or Larger, this has no effect.
>The above rules are in place only for creatures defined by their class levels. They do not extend to characters who normally possess class levels and then adopt another form which does not, such as with a polymorph effect.

That's the most I feel comfortable with.

>>52579265
Definitely. I mean, I'm on good terms with some of the players in each game, so I can get info on it. I just rag on it because it got overhyped and a bit overmemed.

>>52579295
I'm gonna save these and use them when I GM my next game.

Let's talk about Blingmaker.
Who's a good app that HASN'T been over-memed or talked about?

I'm actually quite fond of Andrei, he seems like he'd be fun to play with (provided the spider schtick wasn't too one-note).

>>52579295
>be Str guy with class levels
>shapeshift with a polymorph effect
>lose all your cool strength shit

???

>>52579330
Nugget-man

>>52579342
It is there to keep you from using those with monster forms and abilities, yes. There are still ways around that.

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>>52579345

>>52579330

What is the general theme of why/what the PC's would do with wealth? I want to bring something interesting to the table, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea.

>>52579265
>>52579318
My worry is that /pfg/ might actually be influencing RotJR. The worst thing that could happen to any thing, game or show or otherwise, is to let memes drive your character development.

I'm worried that shipping is going to make actual relationships wind up forced and arbitrary rather than cute. I'm worried that FotJR is going to get discouraged and disband over the ridicule they get over things beyond their control. I'm worried that the thread's pettiness and fickleness is going to make what could have been a good game into a shitty one.

>>52579330
I think Blingmaker has a very solid spread already. A shame it's 4 slots, I'm not applying but I know that I'll be disappointed no matter what the final list is.

>>52579345
>HASN'T been over-memed or talked about
He's actually not that bad. If he's played straight rather than just used for "dude references lmao" then he could be a very interesting character in a game like Kingmaker. But I'd rather discuss other guys right now.

>>52579372
But that's retarded. You are still defined by your class levels. If the wizard walks up and slaps the fighter with a Monstrous Physique so he's now a giant, he shouldn't mysteriously get 20+ hp shaved off him and lose his ability to scare people by flexing.

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>>52579389
> wind up forced and arbitrary
The precedent has the been set, the path is lit, there's no where to go but down.

>>52579415
Use your best judgement. If you turn into a bear, you don't get the benefits. If you just get HUGE, you probably keep them.