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Pathfinder General /pfg/

When was the last time your character got a medal or other form of largely symbolic reward?

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Old thread: >>52565554
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>>52571510
My character got a title of nobility, does that count?
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Never, because every DM I've ever played with was one of those weirdo losers who insisted you need a material reward.

I don't want a sword! I want a HOMESTEAD!
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>>52571538
>property
>not a material award
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>>52571529
Depends on how good the privileges are and if it had land attached to it.
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>>52571562
I mean considering I raised my banner in revolt and became an archduchess overnight
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>>52571510
When has your game included the Politburo and the Party, anons?
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>>52571612
http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/comrade
Let us smite the capitalist pigs.
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Imma shill my game real quick, I'll work on TLDRs about the antagonists and the city this weekend when I've hammered out my mid term essays

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/73890/gogo-censored-for-copyright-infringement-rangers
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>>52571510
Some shitty village of mud farmers that we saved from the plague declared our party healer to be their patron saint. They were going to give us all medals too, but we didn't have the heart to accept them, as they'd have had to melt down what little precious metals they had in order to make them.
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>>52571667
>patron saint
Do that a few more times and you'll be getting divine ranks.
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How can you stand up from prone as fast as possible and without provoking AoO like in 3.5?
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>>52571713
You can't.
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>>52571732
So how can I avoid being constantly tripped then?
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>>52571759
Get a better GM.
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>>52568755

Wis to AC seems great for the feature you give up, but if doing a dex build it seems pretty tight for feats if you give up the bonuses. I was looking at Mithral Current as being pretty cool, especially with free katana prof, is broken blade that much better? The +2 damage on discipline strikes seems like it'd be outweighed by the smaller damage dice and much worse crit profile.
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>>52571713
If your GM allows 3rd party stuff, take the Stand Up Rogue talent, then take the Ninja Kip Up talent.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/rogue/rogue-talents/paizo-rogue-talents/stand-up-ex/
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/alternate-classes/ninja/ninja-tricks/rogue-genius-games-ninja-tricks/kip-up/

These two are a must have, it may seem a bit expensive, but using up 2/5 of your resources to avoid an edge case scenario which will have an enemy perform one AoO on you is definitely something important!
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>>52571510
My half-orc fighter for d&d 2nd ed was knighted and given a permanent position as a kings guard after stopping two cities from going at war with each other. The benefits that came along with the title was a decent amount of gold, property within the city (he ended up getting a really nice smithy and hiring an experienced armorer and weapon smith along with an apprentice which made him some gold on the side) and also a suite inside the castle keep along with the other PC's, which came with complementary breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and a maid service to clean his room.
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>>52571827
I'll need two levels in rogue at least, I don't have that luxury
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>>52571759
Acrobatics off the ground like some kind of loony and hope you beat the enemy CMD.
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>>52571713
One of the effects of the spell Blessing of Fervor can do that
>Stand up as a swift action without provoking an attack of opportunity.
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>>52571946
I suggest you find a way to stop being tripped so damn easily then. Try growing extra legs, using counters from Path of War, or boosting your CMD with long lasting buffs.
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>>52571805
Broken Blade is strong because it gives you multiattack strikes with damage-enhancing stances and boosts. It all gets multiplied and gives you silly numbers. You can just use Weapon Group Adaptation to use Broken Blade with, say, a greatsword. Or just pick up a sansetsukon
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>>52572009
Weapon Group Adaptation is a mistake
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>Start making a spherecaster
>Develops into 2 completely different builds
Fuck.
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>>52572060
What two builds, anon? Let's hear 'em~!
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>>52572009
>>52572028

I'd feel really dirty to use weapon group adaptation, it should pretty clearly not exist.
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>>52571970
Can you stand up with acrobatics? I couldn't find shit about it so I thought you couldn't without a feat (nor I found a feat for that), if you can I may go with that, my acrobatics are 24 at 8th level.
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>>52571510

Wasn't Napoleon the man who invented the idea of medals?
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>>52572116
Honestly the best thing they could do with the Weapon Group Adaptation problem is just put a line in Broken Blade saying that you can't use WGA with it. That would solve one of the biggest issues with Broken Blade. If you wanna use BB, use unarmed or a close weapon (Personally, I use it to shield bash)
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Are Greatswords, meant to be like real life greatswords, or is it just a label that D&D/Pathfinder uses because it sounds cool?
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>>52572179
That's not a 'normal' real life greatsword, that's a zweihander, which is like a mega-greatsword.
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>24 Dex
>Improved initiative
>Always go last or the second from the bottom
Fuck dice gods
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>>52572108
Well, I need to fill a vaguely supportive caster role in the party. We've got a frontliner and a ranged damage-dealer, so I need to be able to heal them up after combat, make Spellcraft checks, etc. It would help if I could party face also, as all we've got is some Diplomacy on the frontliner.

Build 1:
Time-themed Incanter/Hedgewitch fullcaster.
Pros:
>Great at knowledges
>Great face
>Versatile caster, access to many sphere effects
>Decent crowd control
>Can deal pretty good damage
>High save DCs for it's level
Cons:
>Terrible defenses
>Basically no chance to ever hit anything with attack rolls
>Low Perception
>Healing very inefficient on spell points

Build 2:
Sphere Druid battlecaster
Pros:
>Good HP and AC for a caster
>Good saves
>Respectable damage output
>Decent face
>Flank partner for frontliner
>High Perception
Cons:
>Only has Alteration and Life, maybe a dip into one more sphere
>Bad skills
>Weak knowledges
>No real ranged option aside from becoming a bird and flying up to the enemy
>No crowd control
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>>52572179
I mean, I'd prefer a greatsword over an okaysword, but truth be told, I think an actual, "real-life" Greatsword as represented in the system would have the Reach property, and the "regular" greatsword would be called something like the "Claymore" because it's still two-handed but it's not HUGE as heck
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>>52572303
does pathfinder even have a sword with reach
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>>52572347
the Urumi is technically a sword I guess
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>>52572360
i guess you could use custom weapon rules to make a zweihander but that's cheating
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>>52572383
>custom weapon rules
>letting you actually make anything that isn't a cheesy monk weapon

you can't even duplicate the Rapier or Scimitar using those rules
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>>52572420
You can't duplicate perfection Anon.
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>>52572420
seriously?

i've never looked into them in-depth since i always just get a greatsword on my martials
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>>52572303
>actual real life greatsword would have reach
>when even a spear doesn't
No.
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>>52572450
Hey, that's just my opinion, man. I'm no medieval scholar, but zweihanders seem pretty long.
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>>52572433
There are certain edge cases where you can make something ridiculously cheesy good, but a lot of the time you just come out with garbage. Hell, if you want an 18-20 crit range weapon, you've spent MORE POINT ALLOTMENT THAN A TWO HANDED EXOTIC WEAPON NORMALLY GETS.

>3 points for 19-20, 7 additional points for 18-20
>Exotics get +6, two-handers get +3
>you are one point over your allotment so far, and your weapon is a 1d3 exotic weapon with one damage type

PAAAAIIIIIZOOOOOOOO
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>>52571713
1. Learn to fly without wings
2. Teleport a few feet into the air
3. Be a caster and fight prone like it's nothing
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>>52572420
Hey, you can strap the finesse property to a bastard sword for free!
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How do I get good passive defences as a sorcerer?
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>>52571713
Get your buff-buddy to start the fight with Blessing of Fervor.
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>>52572602
2 level dip into Paladin.
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>>52572122
Nothing prohibits you from using Acrobatics while prone, and using Acrobatics to move through someone's threat range is just a combat maneuver.
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>joking with players in RoW campaign
>cursed dress of Cold Immunity
>It's a +1 Haramaki, statistically, but it cannot be taken off
>It casts a DC 40 Unnatural Lust on all compatible males within 15 feet of the wearer, every single round.
>It also has a polymorph spell attached to it, that only takes effect on male wearers.

How shitty of an idea is this? Should I even give it to them as a joke? Could it work as a loincloth of the same? It might be a joke item for a side session, however.
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What are fun 3rd level maneuvers that aren't just damage, or time skitter? Stuff from any discipline will work.
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>>52572696
Only if the polymorph turns the wearer into a cute loli kitsune, that's also 800 years old so it's totes legal in any country.
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>>52572696
>constant DC 40
>when it's likely to only going to get passed on a nat 20 for even most higher level PCs
>on an item likely going to see use by PCs in single digit levels

oh shit nigga what are you doing
DC 15-20 is probably safer
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>>52572726
It's a rape item. The wearer would put it on with the intention of ending every combat in a huge puddle of semen and aches in every orifice.
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>>52572726
It's a cursed item anyways. Maybe make it a +6 Charisma item as well. It also doesn't differentiate between allies and enemies, and it's for a party with one woman and three men
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What's the best build for a high Int, low Cha character?
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>>52572783

Wizard, Alchemist, Bard!
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>>52572783
Wizard. There's feats/traits to replace Cha with Int for a bunch of things, including Diplomacy.
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>>52572808
>Bard
>low cha
How are you going to be a manslut with low cha?
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>>52572696

>Polymorph on men

W-W-What kinda polymorph?
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>>52572678
Except the manual says that to move while prone takes 5ft as a full action
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>>52572841
See >>52572718
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Does anyone have the Villain Codex? I'm looking for the Oracle stuff added in about Ascetic Oracle.
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>>52572834

Fedora of Charisma, or maybe one of those replacing Cha-with-Int traits.
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>>52572841
The one that turns you into a raging homosexual. Bara meta incoming.
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>>52572858

BARA HOT STOCK

BUY BUY BUY
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>>52572858
INVEST IN BARA
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>>52572602
Sorcerer like the Wizard are actually shit on the passive defense front. A wizard is fucked the second he's asked to make a saving through because his class has no support for pumping then, he has one good save, and has to pump a non saving throw ability score. Same with sorcerer except you might have something from your bloodline.
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>>52572868
>>52572876

BARA BUBBLE ABOUT TO BURST, UNSTABLE MARKET
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>>52572868
>>52572876
I'm going to sell all my bara stock and invest in GINGA BISHOUNEN!
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>>52572868
>>52572876
L-lancergirl meta is still rising!
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>>52572898
WRONG

BARA META GROWING STRONG, NOT A BUBBLE, I REPEAT, NOT A BUBBLE.

>>52572903
Its a bold move
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>>52572911
>Lancergirl meta

Haha, sure, and Path of War 1 errata is gonna come out someday
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What meta does DHB's nugget man fall into?
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>>52572911

Lancergirl is a theoretical market, like nanotechnology or designer gene tailoring.

You need to make the market before we'll invest in it!
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>>52572841
What did you think? I'm pondering turning it into a unisex item- DC 40 Unnatural Lust on all nearby people that are compatible with the wearer, with the target of the lust BEING the wearer, along with another DC 40 polymorph effect that makes those hit by the Unnatural Lust, yknow... sexier

Also making it a +6 Con/+6 Cha item
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>>52572930
Nugget-Man isn't meta, he transcends the meta.
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>>52572903

>Investing in fuccbois

Oh shit nigga what are you doing, that's a toxic market.
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>>52572928
Don't say that!

>>52572931
I'm trying to gain some investors for the initial start-up, but not a lot of luck.
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>>52572946
Not if you diversify your fuccbois with a fabulousity index.

Just don't over invest into blonde.
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>>52572915

PANIC IN THE EXCHANGE, BARA FUTURES UNSTABLE
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>>52572946
I DON'T CARE!

>>52572931
>>52572954
>>52572928
>>52572911
I'll invest in Lancer GINGA BISHOUNEN!
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>>52572903
I have insider knowledge that this is going to see a massive uptick in the coming weeks.
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>>52572946
>He thinks GNGA is a fuccboi stock
What a fucking loser

>>52572903
GNGA is a strong stock, though a bit of a dark horse.

>>52572963
The blonde bishounen stock crashed with no survivors mate.
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>>52572944
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>>52572930

What Bara Bonds should I invest in for the Blingmaker market? There's so many competing companies!
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>>52572963
>Just don't over invest into blonde.
All things considered... I don't regret my investment.
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>>52572984
thats why you avoid overinvesting into the blonde, and index it with fabulousity
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/pfg/ - Fantasy Stock Market
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>>52573089

Never forget the liquidation of ARDN.

Nobody saw it coming, faith in the market has never been the same.
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So I'm playing a cavalier in my current game and have been role playing him as a mercenary knight in a relatively low fantasy world. One of the cornerstones of this has been pretty devout worship of a goddess. In our latest session we came upon a town that worshipped this goddess that had recently been conquered. I hadn't really been too bothered by this as I'm true neutral mercenary type.

However when we arrived at the cathedral in the town the commander of the conquering army and a few of his soldiers were manhandling a priest and upon asking one of the peasants in the crowd watching this happen it turned out he'd been arresting the clergy and had looted the church.

I thought this was a great sacrilege and immediately started whipping the crowd into a mob. The chaotic good arcanist in my party wanted to discuss it peacefully with the commander, not necessarily to stop him but just to stop manhandling the priest. He then told the commander to go inside the church where and lock the door so they could discuss it whereupon his men started seizing all the priests. Meanwhile I was still outside whipping the crowd into a frenzy.

tl;dr the crowd and I eventually battered the door down and charged in and the arcanist teleported out. We plan on killing the men who laid their hands on the clergy for their heresy.

This whole caused a great deal of friction OOC between me and the arcanist because he wanted to settle it diplomatically which I've been all too happy to do in every previous session and am usually the party face in diplomacy, but I felt this was a matter of religion and the goddess in question is basically a god of chivalry and the defense of one's home and people.

Am I a dick for putting my character's RP stuff ahead of keeping the party running smoothly IRL?

Should I apologise?
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>>52572845
A 5ft movement with a dc increased by five. Acrobatics explicitely states you can do this. If your opponent has reach I guess you're screwed, but you are allowed to roll five feet away and be standing at the end of it.
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Rumors of CAS and VAL official merger confirmed by discord cabal, official press conference scheduled for 10PM Eastern tonight.
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>>52573102
Almost as crazy as when STSN crashed, though that did create opportunities for companies like CYDN and IMDE to rise.
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>decide to be adventurous and branch out from my typical, safe Brunette endeavors
>dip my toes into Blonde since it's always been stable
>suddenly the market becomes shifting and wild, but I've already committed, even artificially

I-I'm sure everything'll even back out, right?
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>>52573121
>Am I a dick for putting my character's RP stuff ahead of keeping the party running smoothly IRL?

Not really, as long as the DM approves of the roleplay and it doesn't cause long-term resentment the Arcanist *should* get over it.

And if he doesn't get over it... Well, that's something you can roleplay out!
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>>52573140
depends, did you also invest in ANML? If so, I think you're boned, son.
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>>52573156
Pfft, ANML is the best stock there is.
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>>52573140

Depends on the Blonde, anon. Amber/Grain is oversaturated, Gold is quite rare on men, and Platinum/Gray is always in style.
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>>52573102
They called me a kook and a naysayer for predicting this dire, post-enthronement economy, but now whose laughing?
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>>52573137
>official press conference scheduled for 10PM Eastern tonight.

Will we be getting a full report of the conference, and of the preparations planned to smooth out the merger?
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>>52573140
Don't worry anon, I've got a feeling that the market on Black hair will grow stronger.

Also, ANML stock is iffy- sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. ETN and RRY are prime examples of this.
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>>52573162
Everyone knows that MGRR is the greatest stock. Some would say it's fucking invincible.
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>>52572911
I believe!
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>>52573181
Sources say so. Be on the lookout for their new joint index ALDR and the hot spinoff RAVN, they're both primed to skyrocket on open.
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>>52573140
My characters actually have been across most of the natural hair color spectrum. Black and blonde seem the most common however.
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>>52571713

Monkey Style
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>>52573152
The DM was fine with it, he actually said he'd planned for me some shit to go down but was surprised I spent the time to start a riot before just charging in.
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>>52573137
>>52573219

Sounds like another BAIL prank to me.
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>>52573183
Black is always more elegant.

HDPT stocks couldn't be higher.
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>>52573236
Hasn't BAIL been seen in association with RRY?
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>>52573246
>>52573236
Delet This insider trading.
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>>52573246
Rumor has it that they have been insider trading with other major stocks.
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>>52573217
Be sure to ask Blingmaker GM for a review. The man seems pretty good at them.
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y'all are fucking gay as hell.
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>>52573246
BAIL was heavily implicated in the pump and dump scheme involving RRY, but no incriminating link was ever found.
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>>52573299
I thought the pump/dump was IDRV?
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>>52573278
I asked, I'm just waiting for a reply.
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>>52573309
That was a pump and dump, the company was shut down shortly after though.
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>>52573233

That's great! The other player is just being a stick in the mud, the responsibility to improve is on him now.
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>>52573287
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>>52573299
Do we have any records of this "pump and dump" scheme between RRY and BAIL? It could potentially incriminate both of them
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>>52573287
Yes and? I do love cock.
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>>52573183

Oh really? I've seen more luck with Brown hair.

What are the hair colors of the meme teams?
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>>52573335
This could be good for the stocks of LOGS; I'm interested in how this will play out.
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>>52573135
Not that guy but that option is suicidal in any case that isn't fighting against medium humanoids without reaching weapons
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>when people baselessly speculate about something that would obviously never happen

This is why you guys are poor and I'm rich, you don't know a good investment when you see it

Buy DOLL, its a sure thing
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>>52573244
>can't invest in HDPT stocks without raising suspicion until much, much later when everything settles down
>the market is in such turmoil that it could take months, years even

man, why you gotta remind me of this shit senpai

>>52573354
LOGS stock was a one-off that soured the market,
there's no way it'll have a boom nearly as big as that first launch, not without making investors lose their asses first.
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>>52573373
DOLL is a saturated market, it's a bubble.
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Can someone explain to me how the Warpath follower's maneuver granting works?

From what I'm reading I think it is thus:
>Always have 1 maneuver
>At the start of every round get a random maneuver from my list
>Once I have a number of random maneuvers equal to my readied maneuvers I can choose to replace one with a new random maneuver
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>>52573401
>DOLL
>A BUBBLE

Ok Mr Rinky-dink penny stock
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>>52573352
Off the top of my head, and because I'm in Dragons 2, I can name the following

Aurora: White
Liozis: Blond? I think? Or was it White, the art had white hair
Calsica: Red
Rory: Black, technically "Any"
Rorymei: Red
Rinka: White/Silver

>>52573354
>>52573399

LOGS haven't been doing too well- not since the RRY/ARRA fiasco. We need to invigorate it- why not getting it involved with ROTJR?
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>>52573219

ALDR is a suspicious company, too charismatic and charming! I've heard they've got their fingers in some bloody pots!

I wonder how CAS and RAVN will interact once VAL joins the former, RAVN is engaged in a lot of shadowy, gray-market dealings!
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>>52573412

>mfw Day Traders
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>>52573363
I mean, we all know the actual answer is dimension door out that piece. But as far as alternatives go, that's really it.
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>>52573135
>guy trips me
>spend my turn into moving away 5ft and standing up (may fail though)
>guy moves 5ft in his turn and full attacks me tripping me again
>rinse and repeat till I'm dead
I was already using this with 0 success, I was hoping there was a better option
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>>52573453
Just become a swashbuckler and kip-up

its a great idea guys, Swashbuckler rising in tier just from that
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>>52573463
>not calling for your allies to support you
>your allies not immediately coming to support you
You might be the "That Guy" of the group. No one likes you. Just stop showing up, you're weirding out the other players. Things will work better this way. The DM is OBVIOUSLY telling you to fuck off into a hole and die, you're just too dense to see the subtlety.
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>want to come up with edgy and chuu2 name
>realize that for Japanese names, the edginess is mainly in the meaning of the name
>Spend all morning researching about it

Guess I am one of the ones that suck at coming up with names promptly, anybody else tend to find it difficult to come up with appropriate names?

I settled on a name that roughly translates to "Dark Red Moon", which finally satisfied my edginess requirement
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>>52573463
Maybe just eat the AOO and kill him.
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>>52573524
I steal anime names and slightly change them.
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>>52573524
That's exactly how I get to selecting my characters' names; I look in foreign languages and choose things that are thematically appropriate.
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>>52573463

Why don't you just hit the guy while you're down? It's only a -2 to-hit.
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>>52573524
I just go through websites that list name meanings and match it to what I want.
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>>52573562
It's - 4
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>>52573464
No anon, we won't let you have fun on a class you like!

>>52573496
Not to be that guy, but your allies definitely should be supporting you when an enemy uses maneuvers like that. You may want to invest in magical items that grant levitate to avoid this in the future.
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>>52573699
But, they're not. They're watching the DM bully him and they're enjoying it. Taking bets on if the player cries or not. It's clear that no body in the group likes him, they just tolerate him cause it's the polite thing to do.
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>>52573562
>>52573630
Then fucking throw something and eat the AoO. Or do full defense to get +4 AC and CMD and stand up, and try not to get hit the next turn.
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>This guy keeps tripping me
>I REALLY don't want to get hit by an AoO
>Guess I'll just keep getting tripped over and over instead
??????????????????????????
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>>52573796
fucking idiot.
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>>52573796
Gets to a point where I might just be a cheeky fuck and called shot leg sunder, or prone trip or some shit. Maybe initiate a grapple. Shit cos, there's a lot of options.
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>>52573796
If you're low enough where an AoO is going to take you down, you were dead anyway.
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Is there an SoP archetype/class that can re-select talents for their Conjuration-sphere companion every so often?
I've got an idea for a character, but I really don't want to spend all of my magic talents on customizing 5 weak individual companions when some of them might never even see play.
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>>52573847
It's not just that, he can't full attack back either. He's taking probably twice the hits the other guy is putting out, with power attack.
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>>52573884
You can retrain talents just like you can feats.
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>>52573884
The Arcanist gets to re-choose all their talents every morning, if they want. It's fucked.
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>>52573942
doesn't arcanist get the same amount of talents as a lowcaster though
or something like that
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>>52573901
Doesn't that take weeks in-game and require someone who can actually teach you? Not particularly viable for my concept, I think.

>>52573942
This seems alright. It's only 2 talents at my level, but that's 2 more than none. Probably my best choice, huh?
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>>52573994
It depends on how strict the GM is with. My GM keeps the time restrictions but says as long as you RP the training well then you don't need to find a teacher.
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>people still haven't realized the best Dragon 2 stock to invest in

I'm heading straight to the top. Cash money all day, baby.
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>>52573994
>>52573957
>>52573942
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're, say, an Incanter and you take a 1 level dip in Sphere Arcanist, what's to stop you from spending one day's worth of spell points to shuffle all of your magic talents around using Quick Study?

>Quick Study (Ex): As a full-round action that provokes an attack of opportunity, the sphere arcanist may spend 1 point from her arcane reservoir to change one of her selected magic talents to a different magic talent.
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Is False Life a good enough replacement for Toughness as wimpy caster?
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>>52574069
CLSI is destined to failure. Invest in RRY and RKA.
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How good of a stock is the proper lady / steel magnolia / yamato nadeshiko right now? Is it a good time to invest?
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Am I right in remembering that you can't use Spirited Charge with a strike (even if it's with Martial Charge)?
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>>52574069
I've heard CLSI is involved in a hostile takeover of RKA...
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>>52574098
Absolutely nothing. I do it all the time.
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>>52573829
JUST ATTACK HIM AT A -2 PENALTY
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What boosts, strikes, or counters in PoW let me increase the area I threaten?

Preferably at 1st level.
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>>52574208
Reaching Blade Stance
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>>52574220
>Reaching Blade Stance
Unfortunately can't be a stance because I need another stance to make use of the threatened area.
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>>52574208
Be a Zweihander Sentinel Warder.
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>>52574235
well then you're fucked sorry
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Are all of the hedgewitch archetypes on the wiki or are there new ones I should be aware of?
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>>52574300
I think everything that isn't in Playtest is on the wiki.
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>>52574316
>>52574300
Also is the spheres of power wiki just turning into a general repository for shit that isn't on the regular SRD now?
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Are any of the Signature Skill feats truly worthwhile?
I am looking at Intimidate, because mine is fairly baller, but I don't know if they are actually worthwhile to take compared to Imperious Command that my DM has greenlit me to take.
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>>52574369
Intimidate unlock scales sorta-solidly lategame, particularly when with iteratives+cornugon you could force the save 3-4 times.
Sense Motive one scales slow, but at 20th it's solid. Perception one is pretty neat too.
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>>52574369
All of them are pretty alright depending on what your character does. Hell, fucking Climb is decent if you're using Fool's Errand since it grants you a Climb speed at higher levels.
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>Wendo Callers get Charisma to Knowledge

Why did I not know this?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/occult-adventures/occult-classes/medium/archetypes/paizo-llc-medium-archetypes/wendo-medium-archetype/
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>>52574334
It's things that the maintainer wants to use in his games, but aren't on the SRD because Reyes is a piece of shit and won't fucking listen to his volunteers, yes.
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Here's a question for /pfg/:

Why do people generally not apply to games with the PoW:E classes often? There's always a few, but the PoW1 classes really outnumber them.
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>>52574369
Sense Motive, Perception, Stealth if you ever do sneak attack sniping, Escape Artist if actually use Escape Artist, Bluff at high levels, Disable Device at level 20, Handle Animal for druids (in particular, it makes your animal companion way more convenient), Heal if you don't have a source of ability damage healing, Intimidate if you have Cornugon Smash and have some way to circumvent fear immunity at high level, Ride if you have a special mount.

The rest aren't really worth taking.
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>>52574607
1. Harbinger is 2kewl4skool and not enough people appreciate how cool it is
2. Mystic can be a mess to GM for, given its maneuver system.
3. Zealots are weird and collectives are lame
4. Most of the original PoW classes are just better in like every way, be it brutal slayer stalkers or OD/ZS warders.
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>>52574607
Because they're all more niche in theme than the original PoW classes. Warlord or warder or stalker can be a lot of things, Zealot is always the telepath guy.
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>>52574629
>collectives are lame
>tfw highlord
JUST
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>>52574642
Highlord is shit though
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>>52574629
>tfw no cha-mystic with a less bonkers recovery
Why live anymore.
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>>52574426
>>52574613
I don't see this campaign getting to high levels, unfortunately.
>have some way to circumvent fear immunity at high level
How do you get that?
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>>52574669
>tfw homebrewing an Akashic initiator that steals some of the Mystic's stuff

End me
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>>52574653
That's why I said JUST
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>>52574642
Collectives are SO fucking lame. They are the worst fucking mechanic. I hate them.

By extension, they make every class that uses collectives fucking lame as shit.
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>>52574692
I know. If Collectives were good, I'd like them, but otherwise I'm not gonna bother with them.

Also, should I gestalt Bloodrager/Oracle? I'm not sure how to make them mesh well. Spheres, if it matters. No armor either.
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>>52574607
>Mystics and Zealots are both headaches for different reasons (lmao recovery and lmao collective)
>Harbinger is all about them emotions, but is Int based because apparently the only emotion it can feel is apathy
>also not a full BAB, which means it's gimped in the ever-so-common Gestalt arena even more than Stalker is, since Harbinger is a black hole for swift actions
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>>52574747
Eh, they mesh fine, your self buffs from greater rages will be kinda shit, realistically I'm not seeing what you get out of essentially a rage oracle build though
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>>52574793
Harbinger does have Int to attack and damage

Kensai/Harbinger, INT SAD ACHIEVED
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>>52574747
>>52574702
What's wrong with them?
They seem quite good for the, y'know, team based cooperative game that D&D and it's ilk [claim to be] are .
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>>52574815
>gestalting magus with an initiator
>not using Rogue or Hedgewitch instead, with Prescient Dodger

wew lad
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>>52574793
/pfg/ has such a skewed idea of what classes are actually good in single-classed games because /pfg/ wanks to gestalt in 4+ PC parties.
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>>52574843
Magus isn't that garbage of a gestalt, its kinda fun not to optimize that far.
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>>52574831
>>52574702
From a world building/lore/narrative perspective, I really, really dislike the idea of a class that can basically act as a living long range walkie-talkie from level 1.
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>>52574815
>>52574843
>Not dervish defender

c'mon, anon
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>>52574861
>dervish defender

gross.
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>>52574803
They're Charisma based. I was looking at a couple of full-BaB charisma-based classes and scratching my head. There's the medium (ultra fiddly), Paladin (lol no CG paladin), Bloodrager (smashyfacey Barbarian+), and Warlord and Zealot.

>>52574843
>Hedgewitch/Harbinger with Unnatural Resilience
>Int to AC, Fort, Attack, and damage
>Use a rapier with deadly agility
>Dex/Int

Fuck off everyone knows the best option here is UnMonk/Brutal Slayer for STR/WIS. Faith Builds better than Dex Builds
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>>52574846
Is that a brand of sacrifice on her tie?
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>>52574858
I've got good news, anon!

They can't until 3rd.
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>>52574874
Oh well la-de-fuckin-da

Its still lame.
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>>52574846
Doesn't change the fact that harbi is kinda lame both recovery and thematical, zealot is collectives + "what do you mean move action recovery and initiating in a cone is bad", and mystic is really awkward to play in online games.
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>>52574858
It's Medium range, the same range as basically any caster in the game can cast Message. Whatever world you're building is fucked if it can't handle a cantrip-equivalent effect.
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>>52574874
Yeah, that's still pretty bad.
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>>52574869
>faith build
Except neither Monks nor Stalkers are divine classes.
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>>52574861
>stacking initiators

nigga you're too thin with that gestalt, spread it out some, you're liable to fall over

>>52574869
Aw shit son, now you're doing it. That ain't a faith build though, that's just wise gym teacher tier

>ascetic style+Custom Weapons to actually get an 18-20 2-handed monk weapon to flurry with
You are become memes, destroyer of anuses
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>>52574903
Harbi feels fucking great mechanically though.
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>>52574903
>harbingers are lame thematically
Explain.
>mystic
Yeah, the recovery sucks and I HATE HATE HATE how they fucking baked magic item crafting into the basic class and not an archetype.
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>>52574977
Seriously baked in magical item crafting can fuck off
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>>52574923
It's a Dark Souls reference you faggot.

>>52574946
Okay then, Brutal Slayer Stalker on one side, Unmonk on the other, VMC cleric to get Wis to Socials and divine stuff. WE FAITH TIER NOW
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>>52574677
Dread 3, Antipaladin 3, Black Seraph Annihilation, Jailer of the Damned stance (EG-5). SG 5 stance works against those with general mind-affecting immunity but not against those with fear-specific immunity. Draconic Malice spell against living beings.
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>>52574908
Any caster in the game (with a trait, if it's not on their default list) gets Message at 0, which is basically functionally identical to the collective's medium-range telepathy function and comes online two levels earlier. But yeah, obviously collectives are bad and that's a real concern
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>>52575024
Collectives are dumb and I don't like them.
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>>52574986
>wasting feats on cleric VMC that you could be spending to get Ascetic Style

oh shit nigga what are you doing
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>>52574871
Bootlegged, but yes.
>>52574881
>>52574908
It's lame that there is a class dedicated to promoting group unity? Isn't mental communication between pcs a high level goal for parties that get there?
I could understand that kind of mindset if you are one of those people that feel like it's all about you and you don't need the group, but I see a class that's all about the party and making the party better, and succeeds at it to boot. It seems like the real problem is "muh psionics" and being a team player in a system notorious for "I am the protag" mentality.
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>>52575024
I don't see how an audible message is functionally similar to telepathied, which isn't audible to people not being telepathied at.
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>>52574955
>>52574977
The harbi is kinda just "claim dude, kill dude, say goodbye to swift actions" and the whole "powered by emotions of negativity, but is an int based class" is just fucking weird. Feels somewhat like they were going for a "euphoric" feel.
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>>52575024
The difference is that telepathy doesn't require repeated actions to use.
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>>52575042
>Implying you would use a weapon
>implying I'm a sane man
>implying I CARE
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>>52574154
Can someone answer this question?
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>>52575053
>and the whole "powered by emotions of negativity, but is an int based class" is just fucking weird

Agreed.

>CHAbinger when?
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>>52575044
No. I never want my PCs to be constantly communicating to people telepathically, I think thats literally as lame as it gets.

Bards are much better at promoting group unity and do it in a way that feels cool

Teamwork stuff from Inquisitors and Cavaliers is much cooler and promotes teamwork

Fuck just about anything is cooler than the garbage that is 'Muh Collective'
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>>52575067
>When mounted and using the charge action

Are you using the charge action, anon?
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>>52575044
I actually like Psionics and none of my complaints had anything to do with team work. But yeah, don't address my points and just try to paint me as "muh lone wolf" type for some fucking reason.


And on the subject. It probably is fucking reasonable for a PC to refuse to join a fucking collective since mental communication like that is really, really fucking intimate. This is going way beyond just bard songs.
> Isn't mental communication between pcs a high level goal for parties that get there?
Key word being high level
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>>52575053
>teleports behind you

Pssh..
Nothin...
Personal...
...
Kid.
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>>52575074
>harbinger wasn't cha
>mystic wasn't int with a simpler recovery and no crafting
>zealot wasn't delet
what could have been
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>>52574999
>hmm, multiclassing, multiclassing, won't ever have that
>hmm
>be a ZS Warder
Yosh.
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>>52575053
The Int comes from their knowledge of how to harness that negativity as opposed to just chimping out like a Cha based class would.
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>>52575045
A whispered message that requires a DC25 Perception check? Nothing and nobody's passing that at low levels. It's functionally inaudible to anyone you're not targeting.

>>52575063
Message lasts 10 minutes/level. If you're not refreshing it every two or three minutes because you have an unused standard, you're an idiot.
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>>52575092
I also enjoy Psionic classes, I just specifically dislike and disdain the collective mechanic because its just... So fucking off putting.
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>>52575107
A lot of things can pass that at low levels.
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>>52575106
Even then, harnessing darker emotions would have been more wisdom than int.
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>>52575106
>muh euphoria
>muh harnessing negativity via superior intellect

I thought Gareth stopped coming to the thread
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>>52575081
>Bards are much better at promoting group unity and do it in a way that feels cool
While also having no built in way to do so.
You and >>52575092 are both leaning on "I don't like this", but haven't said anything that is actually more than opinion, so I will ignore the both of you and call it a day.
>mental communication like that is really, really fucking intimate
It's conversation, not mind reading, you dolt.
Ta.
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>>52575106

What do you have against chimping out?
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>>52575123
I feel the same way, bro.
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>>52575092
I'm sure you also don't like Bluetooth headsets too, don't you? Careful, they'll rot your brain! Well, more than it already is.
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>>52575138
>BARDS HAVE NO WAY TO PROMOTE GROUP UNITY

Ah.
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>>52575074
>>CHAbinger when?
I was hoping for one from the beguiler template which was free from DSP's CHAlergy, but sadly it just ended being another Int option
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>>52575132
It could go either way honestly.
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>>52575159
No, I really don't like Bluetooth headsets, and the assholes who walk around wearing one like all the fucking time are fucking pieces of shit.
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>>52575090

>Martial Charge
>Prerequisite(s): Base attack bonus +3, ability to initiate a martial strike.
>Benefit(s): You may initiate a strike instead of making an attack at the end of a charge.

I know that for maneuvers that require a charge (Black Seraph/Piercing Thunder/Primal Fury stuff) you're not using the charge action. I'm just wondering if a standard action strike would get it's damage tripled with Spirited Charge + lance.
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>>52575074
Realistically Crimson Counts should be CHA bringers, especially cause of their whole vampire theme and vampires being cha-lords.
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>>52575159
What does a irl piece of technology have to do with the mechanics of psionic fantasy game class. They're entirely different things in entirely different contexts?

You seem to be taking personal offense to the idea that people don't like collectives.
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>>52575180
No.
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>>52575141
Too much monkeying around
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>>52575092
>>52575123
>>52575146
>>52575179
>autists can't comprehend casual close contact with others
This is /pfg/, why should I be surprised?
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>>52575226
There is "casual close contact" and there is "I am literally inside your head"
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>>52575221

I like you.
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>>52575226
>He thinks wearing a bluetooth headset around is normal and not a piece of shit thing to do

Ahaha
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>>52575226
This isn't casual close contact, this is "literally no secrets".
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>>52575226
t. Chairman Yang
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>>52575226
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>>52575245
Except... it's absolutely not, have you ever even read the collective ability?
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>>52571510
We got rings, cash, and effectively a checking account.
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In Hell's Rebels, the party gains Silver Raven Figurines of Wondrous Power.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/e-g/figurines-of-wondrous-power/silver-raven-figurine-of-wondrous-power/

Since these are not-so-instant-messaging birds, how can they be used as the basis for Twitter in Kintargo, which is supposedly San Francisco?
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>>52575271
But they're literally in your fucking head.
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>>52575270
Newspapers are based and cultured.
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>>52575294
Newspapers are trash, and they lie.
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>>52575286
A voice in the back of your head that isn't yours, while creepy, isn't the same as "oh let me just rifle through your deepest fears and secrets". They have no access to your mind beyond what you give them.
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>ITT anon says he thinks brain magic is creepy and another anon calls him a faggot for being wary of brain magic

yes, yes, you shouldn't be so afraid of it, after all, what's the worst that could happen?
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>>52575303
t. rump
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>>52575313
STAY BACK SUCCUBUS
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>>52575336
>he hasn't seen them go after youtubers
sure pal.
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>>52575340
I wanna make t. Shouta a man.
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>>52575359
I don't even know what you're talking about honestly, all I know is that newspapers look cool and don't stop you from checking out other sources online.
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>>52575370
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>>52575313

>Implying a smug old fox lady needs magic to mess with your head
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>>52575081
It's better for GM use, I feel. My game involves a race of psions that the PCs like to go against, and they usually have a few vitalists to transfer info quickly and keep track of where everyone is. Also healing, I guess, but the quick exchange of info over long distances helps the enemy react quickly to PC shenanigans.
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>>52571579
Story time?
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>>52575313
Why control the mind when you can drown the very soul in the essence of despair, damning your victim to the deepest pits of Abaddon?
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>>52575373
Pewdiepie, and a couple of other youtube channels have recently had big slant articles written about them by places like the wall street journal. They called all these people "terrorist supporting" or "neo-nazi" for literally pointing to the side of the screen with their arm. It's pretty whack.
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>>52575403
It wasn't that interesting, I played really by-the-book. The usualy diplomacy, backstabbing, assassination, army-raising, etc. It wasn't literally overnight in that I was an adventurer one day and then suddenly an archduchess, but I didn't have any rank before I conquered half the kingdom and took the rank for myself.
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>>52575402
Yeah, its just not interesting for a party itself. I just don't see any value in making it a fucking brain-skype-call

Ech.

It just feels so extra and uninteresting

Collectives wouldn't bother me without that, but with the mind-thing it just makes them... Seem creepy

Like half my fun for PCs is screaming silly shit and bantering in battle, a collective seems like it would bring about the opposite, just a bunch of people acting as cold killers, never saying a word because they can communicate mentally

And thats just not what i want.
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>>52575175
>beguiler template
Link?
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>>52575433
>anon has never watched Stand Alone Complex
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>>52575204

Not to be pedantic, but why not?

>A mounted charge is a charge made by you and your mount. During a mounted charge, you deal double damage with your first melee attack made with a lance or with any weapon if you have Spirited Charge (or a similar effect), or you deal triple damage with a lance and Spirited Charge.

You're counted as charging, you're just making a strike instead of a melee attack. Does it not work because of a ruled glitch I'm not seeing, or just because the devs said so?
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>>52575467
Stand Alone Complex is literally that, yes, and its not what I personally want for my wacky adventuring parties

Now if we're playing like Shadowrun or something, thats my fucking jam
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>>52575167
>not giving examples to refute this
Ah.

>>52575200
It's more like being in a group-chat with your friends than anything. Worst case scenario, you're getting some background chatter while you're doing something else, but it's not mind reading, like other anon said earlier. If your character wants to keep a secret, they can. You don't say/type whatever comes to mind in a conversation, do you?

Also, they get the ability at level 3. Assuming an adventure starts at 1, you've already had like 5k xp worth of adventuring with them and you all clearly trust each other with your lives, so it's not a big deal.
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>>52575471
"Maneuvers and Mounted Combat
When a character initiates a martial strike or boost
during a mounted charge attack, the initiation of the
maneuver overrides any damage bonuses that are
would be gained while performing this action (such as
by the Spirited Charge feat or while wielding a lance),
and the initiator deals damage as if they were not
charging (the effects of the strike or boost are applied to
the attack as normal). If a mounted character initiates a
strike that includes a charge attack, their mount forgoes
its normal actions this round and takes a full-round
action to move up to twice its speed in a straight line,
taking the normal penalty to its AC for charging. Martial
counters and stances are unaffected by being mounted,
and a character can gain their effects as normal."
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>>52575518
No one here starts at level one though.
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>>52575553
Shardwankers.
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>>52575518
>starting at level 1

>in the year of our lord 2017

By the time you get to level 3 its probably an entirely different party thanks to rusty dagger shanktown
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>>52575450
It's in the pastebin. Search for ertw's beguiler. Look near the back, it's called ghastly enforcer.
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>>52575553
RotRK is doing level 1.
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>>52575589
>>52575558
Those are memegames. They don't count.
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>>52575433
>Like half my fun for PCs is screaming silly shit and bantering in battle, a collective seems like it would bring about the opposite, just a bunch of people acting as cold killers, never saying a word because they can communicate mentally
>not joking around in the group-chat and yelling inside jokes to confuse and bewilder the enemy while laughing hysterically

Different strokes, I guess. Imma keep using it.
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>>52575565
>tfw am a GM
>tfw I like having a big roster to start out, with players submitting 5-6 additional ideas each for members of their mercenary band
>tfw having character die with relative consistency for a few levels
>tfw I enjoy the players taking on new characters from the other members of the mercenary band, gaining new followers for the mercenaries, etc.
>tfw I enjoy the eventual grizzled crew that comes out of it alive, the deaths, harrowing experiences, and hardship making for a good story to bring a fledgling mercenary crew into the world

Death is important. Not just glamorous heroic deaths, but petty painful deaths. It helps a group grow when their survival is really at stake.
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>>52575602
Thats fine?

I never said you shouldn't?

Its just something I don't like and I've never made any kind of mechanical argument as to why I don't like it, its purely for flavorful reasons that I despise it.
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>>52575600
As opposed to non-memegames like Dragons 2 and SotJr?
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>>52575553
>>52575565

Our usual DM doesn't like high-level games because PCs get to do things. Even starting later, if you can go through a murder-dungeon with some people, there's clearly trust there.
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>>52575537
Ah, Okay. Thanks anon.
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>>52575641
>doesn't like high level games because pcs get to do things

?????????
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>>52575621
One day I'd love to hear the story of SotSr.
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>>52575619
>autist is scared of being intimacy
Surprising.
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>>52575616
No, fuck off. I put effort into my character they should only die on my fucking terms, not when the dice just decide they should.
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>>52575670
this bait is getting old.
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>>52575673
Then write a book nigga.
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>>52575616
You think they're coming out stronger, better players and characters for it, but there's really no difference. Making a ton of character sheets when you know you're going to throw all but one away kind of takes the impact out.
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>>52575694
No, fuck you. I shouldn't have to sit through the GM's shitty novel. It's the same reason GMs with their fucking stupid restrictive settings should fuck off. I want to play an elf, I don't fucking care there aren't elves in your setting. I don't fucking care about it being an 'immersive experience'.

I'm here to have fun, not jack of a power tripping GM.
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>>52575714
Then fuck off somewhere else then.
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>>52575714
This is some nice references anon, i'm catching all of them even if the dummy you're baiting isn't
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>>52575749
How do I optimize for ripping off a child's head?
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>>52575705
From my experience actually running games in this manner I have to say you're simply incorrect.

I have ran a game in this manner from levels 1 to 7. At level 5 the character deaths began to slow down, but before that over the course of 20 sessions (4 sessions per level) we had a total of 11 character deaths between 6 players.

Because we had built a story of the mercenary crew and who they were this meant a lot of stuff. The organization changed because the player who was playing the 2nd in command died, and thus the company changed.

One player never had his character die and rose through the ranks due to other's deaths.

One player had 5 of the 11 total deaths, making his squad famous as being a death trap.

It builds a story and a narrative. I'm not saying games where death doesn't happen don't, but it's a much safer narrative where all the rough edges have been sanded down so no one gets offended when a character dies.

Building a story of grizzled veterans and seeing how the world changes around you as people join, leave, die, get sick/injured, keep going, triumph is a great thing. Death is a high stake in this regard.

If your players can't stay excited because they know their character might die then I would say that's on them. They want a safe adventure where they don't have to worry about challenge with permanent consequences. I'm not saying that's wrong, but that's the kind of players I filter out of my games because we obviously want something different.
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>>52575779
The hell's wrong with you, anon?

That's not the kind of question anyone should feel the need to ASK in the adult world.
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>>52575790
I mean, dude, having tons of backups is a fucking old school thing. Nobody really cared if a few people dropped. Hell, you'd have parties of 10 to 15 and still only like four to five players. Your group might still get attached to every sheet, but for most people, it just makes them disposable.

Fighter Bob, then Fighter Bob 2 through 10 is an old joke for a reason
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>>52575818
It's cool, she pinged as evil and int is my character's dump stat.

So how do I most painlessly rip off her head?
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>>52575818
Anon, it's what a LG Inquisitor should, nay must do.
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>>52575827
>Your group might still get attached to every sheet, but for most people, it just makes them disposable.
That's what I'm saying. I only hold only players who like my type of game and actually can be attached to not only one character, but can get attached to new character, and are attached to the story of the group the party is a part of (my most used start is a fledgling mercenary band).

I'm not saying you're a bad person if you can't. I just don't want you in my games because you won't enjoy my style and I won't change my style.
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>>52575621
Remember when there was a Dragons 1?
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>>52575871
They just aren't quite as much of a meme-team sadly

Though i really like their characters
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>>52575862
And I'm saying your game sounds mediocre as hell. Your players aren't of a higher caliber than the average, neither in nor out of character, just because they have a ton of backup sheets. Fuck dude I have a thumbdrive around here that just has backups for shit like convention play. It doesn't mean anything.
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Which meme characters do you think will still be talked about on /pfg/ six months from now?
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>>52575907
Yeah this is probably true

Frankly though D2 buzz wouldn't exist if Rory's player wasn't such a delightful trainwreck to watch
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>>52575939
Whichever character has the most fetish appeal.
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>>52575940
If Rory wasn't hogging the spotlight it would just be people jacking off over Rinka and Aurora, probably.
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>>52575955
Not sure why, the game is full of waifu-bait.
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>>52575970
>DUDE SMASH THE R@
>DUDE PUNCHGIRL

Then again, meme magic works in mysterious ways. Maybe we'd be talking about who would be the first to peg Rorymei
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>>52575984
I'm just saying, Calsi, Lio, Rorymei

Waifus

Waifus all around.

/pfg/ needs to expand its waifu mind
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>>52575918
I'm not saying my players are better or that others are worse. I'm just saying I find people who enjoy my kind of game and filter out people who don't. Enjoying a particular style and being able to lend yourself to that style doesn't make you better, just different. I don't want to change my style because this is what I enjoy running, so rather than keep people around who don't like/can't effectively play in my style I get those who can.

Like I can't invest myself in a game where character death is rare/near impossible. Does that make me a poor player? For that particular game, sure, but overall it just makes me different.

Being different and wanting different things out of games isn't bad.
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>>52575653
Exactly what's on the tin, friend. They prefer rusty dagger shanktown because there's a high mortality rate and nothing players can do to stop it.
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>>52575939
Not many. Probably the RotJR meme squad. Maybe Rory if he can keep making a spectacle of himself for that long.
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>>52576012
We're due another blunder from him. I wonder what it will be.
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>>52575999
>It helps a group grow when their survival is really at stake.
This is what you said to start. You're wrong.
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>>52576031
Except it helps my group grow because I pick players who do well in this kind of game.

It doesn't help ALL groups grow. It helps my group grow in the narrative.
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>>52576060
Nah, dude, eat your words.
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>>52575939
Rory, he was a trainwreck that started off promising before becoming... whatever he is now.
Etan, he's a literal animal, and a foxy daddy
Casimir, for daddy memes
Valeriya because... valeriya
Onryou because she's /pfg'/s golden girl.

>>52576027
>yfw memedog releases PoW errata
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>>52576027
I'm calling a retarded overwrought plan -ingame- rather than something out of game.
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>>52575955
People seem to think he's "hogging" the spotlight but from reading greentext, he seems sort of low key in game. It sounds like they had an entire session dedicated to Calsi.
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>>52576072
Shit man I don't know what you want from me. I'm saying it helps the group grow. It helps my group grow. I get rid of players who don't like my kind of game.

Not every player is right for every game and grows as a party in every style of play.

Sorry I guess for starting out with what sounded like a blanket statement?
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>>52576027
He's been thirsting after Bailey in public chats for a few days now, my money's on him forging ERP logs and releasing them as punishment for her spurning his advances.
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>>52576027
I think he's trying his very best to keep in check so he doesn't turn people off of Bloodmountain.
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>>52576074
I was thinking something in game yeah, like an attempted PK
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>>52576119
I doubt he'd be dumb enough to PK.
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>>52576072
Why the fuck are you so salty?
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>>52576103
>Sorry I guess for starting out with what sounded like a blanket statement?
It was a blanket statement. That's what a blanket statement is. Either you're being a faggot and weaseling out of it or you never learned the difference between general and specific.
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>>52576130
I would call that less dumb than releasing ERP logs without permission
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>>52576132
It's my personal mission to start shit with DMs
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>>52575939
How far into the book are either RotJR parties? Maybe six months from now we'll have campaigns ran long enough for memes about the stories instead of the character gimmicks.
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>>52576073
>foxy daddy
>daddy memes
>mfw

>>52576086
He hogged the meme spotlight and continues to be shitposted about to this day, even if in-game he's pretty much fine.

>>52576027
I'm guessing Leaked Crossover ERP Logs, but the only question is with who.
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>>52576073
>Onryou because she's /pfg'/s golden girl.
Is she still /pfg/'s golden girl? I get that she hits all sorts of fetish buttons and was memed out the ears during applications, but it seems like you hardly see anything about her now that play has started, short of people teasing her with "you're going to be an aunt" and "Seht's going to marry Shayliss". Maybe it's just me, but Onryou just seems bland these days. Val seems like more of a golden girl and is seeing discussion in most threads as of late.
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Hey! I'm looking for homebrewing rules advice. I'm running a game with some heavy shamanism themes and I wanna introduce a subsystem for reading peoples auras/spirits/true essences. A successful read would give insight on a person's natures, intents, history, etc. In the same vein one could wish to "hide" his own true spirit for diplomacy and combat reasons.
I really wish to make ability checks for this subsystem different from "just check for wisdom" (or something like that) to highlight the supernatural/otherwordly nature of this readings.
Do you happen to have any references or have you seen any similar ideas done anywhere else?
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>>52576130
>18 Wis
>PKing
>being outnumbered and having your strategy revolve around charge lanes

nigga what

>>52576160
I hear he's buddies with some of the RotJR crew, I bet it will be with them

and you can't deny, having a foxy daddy be a literal animal in bed with you is kinda hot
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>>52576138
You know what, I am actually gonna be honest. I was trying to be nice before but honestly I think people who can't get invested in multiple character's are shitters. You're a shitter for it. Any group should grow through trial by fire and players who don't or can't shouldn't play in games. Especially those who just carbon copy characters.

Fuck yourself with a rake buddy, you're shit and how you play is shit. I don't give a fuck about "abloo bloo bloo, my character died" because I don't run games like that. Or "abloo bloo bloo, I don't care about my new character" because if you're not inested in the overall narrative and the story of the party then you can go fuck yourself, or even get invested in your new character's story. A character death is important for the story and build the group's narrative because it is a permanent stake.

You're a shitter and the way you play games is shit. I get rid of kids who can't handle this style of game for a reason.

Having a ton of character isn't the fucking point you mong. You're apparently too thick to understand. The point is death, trials, injuries, losses, and more build the narrative of the group. That's what the goal is and what you're too fucking thick to understand.

Eat shit. Jesus christ.
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>>52576174
She was the beginning of the punchgirl meta.
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>>52576194
>blah blah blah
>all this imaginary death is gonna make you hard
Who the fuck cares? The death of a character is completely without actual consequence. You are not a big deal, and your ideas are crap.
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>>52576194
>anyone who doesn't want gygaxian tombs of horror is WRONG, I SAY! WRONG!
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>>52576213
Like clockwork. Ignore, report. Wait for this one to be deleted before making a new one on page 8. Don't do dueling generals.
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>>52576233
>didn't even read the post
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>>52576213
Why do you do this

For what purpose do you insist on using your garbage anime OPs

I don't understand.

What do you get out of it.
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>>52576240
This isn't what a dueling general is.
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>>52575694
What's she saying here?
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>>52576178
Self Pact Avowed(RIP in peace) had a thing for this. Sense Motive using CHA instead of WIS vs DC15(might be 10)+opponent's CHA+opponent's HD. If they were actively using their powers the DC was lowered, and if they were suppressing their power level the DC got raised by 10.
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>>52575277
You'd need to have something like the Schema Forges in eberron, which pump out mass-produce magic items for a single upfront investment.

Then you can make thousands of cheap knockoff ravens and give them to everyone.
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>>52576273
It was an instruction. Do not create a second general if the janitors don't clean up the anime one.
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>>52576252
Oh no, I read the "trial by fire" and how characters dying left and right is supposed to enhance the narrative. You're fucking wrong for the same reason killing a bunch of people in a book or movie removes the impact of it. It becomes commonplace and people lose their sensitivity to it. That's a real thing, nigga, go read on it.

You keep going back to words like "trials" because you think you're somehow baptizing characters in fire. No, what you're doing is just burning sheets and hoping your players will pick up the pieces.

Lastly, faggot, I haven't even hinted at the kind of games I play. I'm just being derisive towards yours.
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>>52576331
>I'm a whiny poo baby who throws a fit if my character dies
>I can't handle a character dying so any game where characters die is automatically shit
You should play a game without a character death mechanic. Like Dungeon World.
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>>52576194
Honestly anon, it seems like you and your players deserve one another.
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>>52576433
Oh wait, did I mention what kind of games I run? No, I didn't. I've been riding you for putting on airs this entire time. You ain't got shit to sling at me, faggot.
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>>52576158
Maybe a few encounters into Burnt Offerings. It's a module that trades on the slow burn (no pun intended), considering that it was supposed to draw a group into the new world Paizo was presenting.

You're supposed to get to know the characters, grow attached to the town, and feel like you have a reason to go adventuring.

The problem, of course, is that most of the RotJR PCs *do* have a good reason to go adventuring, *are* attached to the town, and are actually built to play Jade Regent. So I must imagine that getting dragged through Aldern Foxglove's boar hunt, railroaded into the big walking "fuck you" that is Shayliss, and then still having to play out the actual dungeons after that, must be getting real old real fast.
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>>52576451
I mean that's entierly the point. I don't keep players around who don't enjoy my kind of game. I don't force people to play in my kind of game. If they're not getting what they want out of it they should go find a game they like.

Sure I think other kinds of games are shit, but fucking hell who am I to try and dictate other's shit taste. They're not gonna change.

I shouldn't waste my time GMing for people who don't enjoy my game and they shouldn't waste their time playing in a game they don't enjoy.
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>>52576457
Except your entire post indicated what kind of player you are. If you think it doesn't you need to get your head checked.

If you actually think what you post I am going off of that for the kind of player you are, because they're pretty telling.

Your deflection just makes you look like more of a beta.
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>>52576303

Wait, did they remove that? My version still has it.
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>>52576540
>TFW he has that little self awareness
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>>52576562
Ok, what do you suggest then? I change how I enjoy games? Pretend I like games a different way than I do, gather players who enjoy games in a way I don't and run games in a way I don't like to cater to them?

What's the point?
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>>52576553
>I read your mind through your posts
>Beta
Sure, man, keep telling yourself you're great and alpha. All I've done this whole time is tell you that your style of game is not factually superior. Keep putting on airs.
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>>52576593
Nigga never said I was alpha, you're the one reading into shit now.

>All I've done this whole time is tell you that your style of game is not factually superior.
And you know what, I fucking agree my style of game isn't automatically fucking superior, it's just fucking different. I think people who don't like my style of game are worse, you know why? Becuase they're not the kind of game I want.

My style of game is superior for me. Just like the fucking movies I like I think are better than ones I don't.

Is it fucking quantifiable? Is a game's quality something you can objectively measure? Fuck no it isn't. I think my games are better because they're what I like.

Shit man.
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>>52576506
See, this is why I assume one group at least is going to bail. It's not going to be a matter of getting slowed down and "losing" to the other campaign like /pfg/ wants it to be.

It's going to be a matter of one team getting their shit together, grabbing hold of the plotline, and moving right along while also having occasional moments of downtime. The other is probably going to just stay wallowing in "comfy" and turn into a freeform RP.
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>>52576632
To keep going with this.

People who enjoy games I don't like? Yeah I think they're worse players because they don't agree with me. Are they objectively worse? Fuck no because you can't measure objective quality of a fucking game.

I think people who agree with me have better taste in games than people who don't.

What, do you expect me to do the opposite?
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>>52576632
You said character turnover helps a group grow, dude, and it doesn't do that more than anything else. If you want to be taken as anything but a shitter who is up your own ass, you won't talk like your opinion is fucking fact.
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>>52576560
It's probably still in there. I've been kinda bummed about the Avowed since they removed Spirited Swordsman instead of solving the Overcharge Modulation problem and nerfed the damage, so I haven't seen a lot of the recent changes.
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>>52576677
Fine, you know what, my opinion isn't fucking fact. That's why it doesn't work for all players and I fucking get rid of the ones who don't grow with it. That's why I construct my groups the way I do.

It doesn't help all groups grow, I take back what I said and I was taking back what I said until you kept repeating "but you said this". Fuck off. It helps MY groups grow because I find players who like that style of game.

I get rid of players who don't grow with it because they won't enjoy the game.

Jesus fuck man, I took back what I said earlier that's why I fucking asked what do you want from me?
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>>52576707
Now I'm mostly having fun, honestly. But seriously, you were acting like a fag. Don't do that.
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>>52576735
And so are you. This is fucking 4chan. We're all a bunch of pieces of shit here shit flinging for enjoyment.
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>>52576735
>But seriously, you were acting like a fag.
How is he acting like a fag in his first post, seems fine to me, unless you're saying claiming anything makes you a fag
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>>52576672
>People who enjoy games I don't like? Yeah I think they're worse players because they don't agree with me.

That's a lot of arrogance over something that ultimately doesn't matter. Do you think you're a better person than people who like different flavors of ice cream too?
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>>52576782
Something about the post set off my fagdar and I tested him out. Turns out he was easy to provoke about it
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>>52576799
>That's a lot of arrogance over something that ultimately doesn't matter. Do you think you're a better person than people who like different flavors of ice cream too?
Yeah I think they have shit taste in ice cream flavors. I didn't say they were worse people I said they were worse players which is a big fucking difference.

Not liking a game in the way I do doesn't automatically make you a shit person, but it makes me think you're a worse player.
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>>52576848
So you're literally just trying to get a rile out of people, you seem like a good deal more of a fag than him
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>>52576900
I will not defend my love of mocking others; it's a bad habit, and one I will not give up any time soon.
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>>52576657
Golden Ending: Some players bail, some stay, both groups merge. Everyone's happy.
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>>52577004
I'll do you one better. None of the meme characters stick around, they all fuck off once their joke gets old. /pfg/ implodes in the ensuing storm of salt.
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>>52577100
And nothing of value was lost.
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>page 8 thread

time to remind the world that the only thing removing Cha-to-AC from Self pact has done is made cancerous dipping attractive.
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>>52577326
>Dipping
>cancerous
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