Age of Sigmar General /aosg/

First for Slaanesh

>>52565530
AoS lore stops being Saturday morning cartoon-tier cringe when?

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G R O T S

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Ok so, I think my big conversion idea will be coming to fruition. The idea is to combine this kit with an imperial knight to make a huge duardin steam mech for my dispossessed. I will most likely have to use the warscroll of a Drakesworn Templar, but I think it should work really well.

The idea is the big endrin is the right size to cover the shoulders of the imperial knight, and there are plenty of other uses I see for the other parts. I think it's going to be a lot of fun. I'll keep you guys posted on its progress.

>>52565650
>dispossessed
Into the thrash it goes

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>>52565587

>>52564171
>to be fair the entire range of tomb kings minis is ancient
So as most of elves, onpy DE got a full update (except characters and shades) and even they are 4 yo.
And since they didn't get Seraphons/FEC-like book it's very strong indication that they will be replaced by new factions to fit the new setting

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Where my Deathbros at?

>>52565991
channeling the bonezone while applying the agrax earthshade.

But meanwhile, Rattle me this:
Morghast Archai or Harbingers?

>>52566408
If you're fighting a lot of tough units or mortal wound generating units, then Archai, if not Harbingers.

>>52565966
Dude relax it's just old players in denial, all what they could hope is increasing point costs in nex GHB.

>>52565966
>>52566681

Same guy.

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>>52566719
Sorry anon

>>52566847
You know how easy that is to fake?

>>52566866
And so..?

>>52566891
I don't believe you.

>>52566847

One or both of you is warmaslav. Fuck off, you worthless autistic alcoholic shitposting grognard faggot. Thanks.

>>52566924
Why the fuck do you hate slavs so much can you stfu?
I swear ive seen you on other boards.

>Torbjorn Overlords

>>52566965
Kharadron, Anon. Kharadron.

It means Thunder Fortress in Dwarf.

>>52566954

This is the only thread in which I ever disparage your heroin-addicted illiterate slave folk, and it's solely because you are such a faggot. Stop being a faggot.

>>52566924
>t.Empire-player

>>52566965
it's another warhammer stole that from blizzard joke

how original

>>52566979
I'm not slavic you sperg just stfu already. Every fucking thread you rant about them.

>>52566979
>slave folk
Says who?

>>52566985
Then why so overreacting

Leaders
Daemon Prince Of Nurgle (160)
Daemon Prince Of Nurgle (160)
Great Unclean One (240)

Battleline
30 x Plaguebearers Of Nurgle (300)
30 x Plaguebearers Of Nurgle (300)
10 x Plaguebearers Of Nurgle (100)

Units
3 x Plague Drones Of Nurgle (220)
3 x Plague Drones Of Nurgle (220)

Behemoths
Soul Grinder (280)
- Mark of Chaos: Nurgle

Total: 1980/2000


First attempt at a 2000 point mono Nurgle Daemons list. Good, bad, ugly?

Look, let's say that I like the rules, and I like the setting, but I'm not crazy about any of the new miniatures. Am I S.O.L.? Do I just have to grab up a bunch of the older minis, paint them up, and hope they never just get rid of the rules for them in Sigmar? Or is there a faction that still has an old-fashioned, less busy aesthetic, or a chance they'll be making more of them later?

>>52567403
None of the new minis appeal? And you could just go for Seraphon or Flesh Eater Courts, they just use old models and have actual books.

And nah, just use the old minis, if they were going to scrap their rules, they would have by now, not keep updating their points.

>>52567427
Admittedly, all I've looked at in detail are the Stormcast (which are cool and all, yeah, but I'm just not feeling it), the Chaos (never been a chaos guy, and these models feel even busier), the Tree People (No.), and the Slayers (which, yeah, it's cool they get to be the whole army, but....that's a lot of naked dwarf).

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>>52567504
Look up Kharadron Overlords. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/15/a-new-race-descends-on-the-mortal-realms/


There's also Ironjawz, which are huge Orruks (Orcs), and have the old Black Orcs are part of their line.

>>52567543
See, I'm starting to think that I'm the problem.
I haven't played in a long time, and I guess that all the newer miniatures look like they're very intimidating to paint. But I'm probably just misremembering things; I'm sure the old models were just as detail-y.
(But yeah, I suddenly like the idea of all-armor Dwarves and No-Armor Dwarves fighting in harmony!)

>>52567403
>Do I just have to grab up a bunch of the older minis, paint them up, and hope they never just get rid of the rules for them in Sigmar?
Depends on what factions you like.
>Or is there a faction that still has an old-fashioned, less busy aesthetic, or a chance they'll be making more of them later?
Orruks Ironjaws, Flesh Eater Courts, Seraphon
>>52567427
Dude...

I really want to try aos, but there's not much to choose from in factions. What happened to the Elves, or even just normal humans?

>>52567622
>What happened to the Elves, or even just normal humans?
They are legacy armies now, which mean you still can use them, but they are very bad, especially against new armies and their future isn't c!ear

>>52567622
Freeguild is normal humans.

Elves are a bunch of different factions now, but they're there.

>>52567587
Used to play High Elves, back in the day. I see that their units are still on sale, but I assume they're never getting any more, so if I want to start using them again, I'll have to get used to Tree People if I ever need to expand beyond what I can get now. (I *think* they're Army of Life?)

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>>52567648
There'll be more Elves soon. New faction, with weird tentacle and eel-dragon looking things.

>>52567648
Nah dude, just start new army of tree people

>>52567666
This is what I was hoping - that the game's just new enough that there's still plenty to be rolled out, and that it's accommodating enough to use older minis, especially when they're still selling them.
(Yeah, maybe the rules won't be as great for the minis in question, but 'talk out the game before it starts' is already a cardinal rule in the local wargaming community anyway; it seems like it's still way better than some of the 40k battles in the last couple years...)

>>52567648
>but I assume they're never getting any more,
Yep

>>52567684
Yeah, the old armies have rules for basically everything, with only some units rolled up into a more generic form.

You should be able to find them on GW's site, either in a newer form on their store page, if they still sell them, or in the compendium if they don't.

>>52567673
Not a fan of the Tree People aesthetically, though.
Kinda huge difference between 'army of the ancient weirdos who originally kinda fucked the world over, with their shining helms and mystic might' and 'We're trees'. No offense to people who like them (I really don't want to start the shit that seems to plague these threads way too often), but it doesn't really appeal to me.

>>52567718
Sylvaneth aren't wood elves, wood elves are Wanderer Aelves.

>>52567723
So, where are the High Elves? Not with the Sylvaneth?

>>52567718
>Not a fan of the Tree People aesthetically, though
Then wait, do not buy current HE, WE, DE.

>>52567734
>where are the High Elves?

Chilling in Azyr or hiding in Hysh

>>52567734
No, High Elves are in a few different factions. Eldritch Council, Lion Rangers, Phoenix Temple, Order Draconis, Swifthawk Agents, I think that's all of them.

>>52567756
So, is that Life, or Order?
(While the Battle rules were pretty simple for me to grok onto, for some reason, building an army still eludes me.)

>>52567772
So there's 4 big Alliances. Order, Destruction, Chaos and Death.

All the Elves, Dwarfs, regular humans, Sylvaneth, all that stuff, is in Order.

>>52567734
>So, where are the High Elves?
Nowhere.

>>52567785
Oh! That's...that's actually way simpler than I thought it was.
So, pretty much any 'good guy' faction is capable of allying up (with the usual reasons to face off against each other in battle, of course.) Good to know!

>>52567800
Yep. You might not get as much synergy between units in some cases, but yeah, they can be in the same army, no real problems.

>>52567800
Technically yes, but you shouldn't do it

>>52567811
So, I can lug old High Elf models out of the closet and use them to get a grip on how the rules work while I figure out if I want to try my hand at one of the armies of fancy new minis. That'll work! Thanks!

>>52567832
Yep
But be ready to be wiped out of table.

>>52567832
What units do you have, anyway?

>>52567842
Quit lying.

>>52567845
>Quit lying
Where I am lying?

>>52567867
They do fine.

>>52567845
I have to go to a storage unit to find them - this would have been, like twenty years ago - I know I had spearmen, a chariot, and High Mage Teclis, at least; could not tell you any more details.
And, as I said earlier, pretty much any wargame at the local shop involves lots of dialogue before hand about how to handle rules issues; not worried about the units being inferior.

>>52567869
They aren't fine
>>52567881
>I know I had spearmen, a chariot, and High Mage Teclis
Weak, very weak

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>>52567881
Might be best to go for Compendium rules, if you're going to use characters.

Anyway, important part is to have fun with it, and I hope you do.

>>52567905
....was this in the mega the whole time? Because this is basically what I've been looking for! Thanks!

>>52567925
It's on GW's site.

>>52567176
It looks pretty decent. I hope you have fun running it Anon. Who are you going up against by the way?

>>52567902
I'll pass on your criticism to 16 year-old me, though I don't know if he'll be able to do much with the advice.
>>52567939
I should have known. Serves me right for assuming I'd have to pay for it so just checking here.

>>52567968
>I'll pass on your criticism to 16 year-old me, though I don't know if he'll be able to do much with the advice
It's just a warning anon.
>Serves me right for assuming I'd have to pay for it so just checking here.
It's free on GW site.

>>52565966
>ancient
>most of the elves

Anon, how fucking retarded are you? The elves have one of the best ranges in the whole game. All their shit aside from the squatted wood elf stuff is amazing multipart plastic. Please choke on a dick and die you incessant faggot.

>>52568003
>Anon, how fucking retarded are you?
The last elves release were WE 3 years ago 2 multikit boxes and Treelord.
>The elves have one of the best ranges in the whole game.
Yep in dead game, now they are like Empire and dwarfs, just don't fit the setting.

>>52568024
And that is ancient to you? 3 years ago? If this is the nu-warhammer fanbase than we're in for a rough ride. please anon, jump of a bridge. I'm serious, report me to the police and I will testify and go to jail for it. That's how much I hate you.

>>52568024
They fit fine.

>>52568040
> listen to this sperg
Not even the other guy, but seriously, seek help. Or maybe self improvement. No one should care this much about plastic army men. It speaks to serious life issues.

>>52568046
This.

It just boils down to opinion. It is that anons opinion that they don't fit. That's all it is though

>>52566847
>a picture of the screen

.......

>>52568040
>And that is ancient to you?
It's old, but hey let's count together old-new models in HE and WE range.
High Elves
8th edition release:
Shadow Warriors/Sisters of Avelorn
Phoenix Guard
Phoenix
Skycutters
Wood elves
8th edition release:
Wild riders/Sisters of thorns
Wildwood rangers/Eternal Guard
Araloth

>>52567968
>Serves me right for assuming I'd have to pay for it so just checking here.

Nah, though points do get paid for, but it's 1 book, for everything and gets updated yearly to add new releases (get their own books full of lore and stuff in the meantime) and re-balancing.

>>52568046
They didn't, according to fluff like a dispossesed and free guild they are Azyrheim militia.

>>52568134
Each subfaction has it's own lore and role. They're not just all militia.

>>52568121
What models in the elf ranges are not in plastic or break with the modern aesthetic of the faction?

Seriously, the elf factions are one of the best maintained ranges in the entire game. Yes, they are due for some AoS love, but so are most factions.

And they squatted most of the 'old' stuff some of which looked perfectly fine like the waywatchers and warhawk riders.

>>52568139
>Each subfaction has it's own lore and role
But they all from Azyrheim
>>52568164
>What models in the elf ranges are not in plastic or break with the modern aesthetic of the faction?
All of them, except mosters probably (but we already have better dragons).
>And they squatted most of the 'old' stuff some of which looked perfectly fine like the waywatchers and warhawk riders.
You have terrible taste, I hope you left our game.

>>52568248
>But they all from Azyrheim

Yeah, I never said they weren't, Anon. I was just saying they're not all militia.

>>52568268
>Yeah
And that's why they didn't fir new setting

>>52568040
>than we're in for a rough ride.
There is no "we", WHFBcuck

>>52568248
>our game
topkek, elitist much? Though that the AoS crew were the cool kids instead of the salty grognards?
>all of them
Are you that retarded elf poster that keeps popping up here? What would satisfy you?
And please explain to me why Dreadspears, Darkshards, Bleakswords, Black Guard, Executioners, Cold One Knights, Cold One Chariots, Dark Riders, Witch Elves, Sisters of Slaughter, Cauldron of Blood, Black Ark Corsairs, Shadow Warriors, Sisters of Avalorn, Phoenix Guard, White Lions, IoB Swordmasters, Spireguard, Skycutters look bad?

>>52568279
Because you somehow decide what does and does not fit the setting? Instead of the other way round, we look what's on offer and deduct the setting from there? Oh and Freeguild feature in a novel, thus they are by definition in setting. GW decides what the setting is after all.

>>52568316
>Anyone who is not a whining elf-shitposter is a WHFBcuck.

Never change

>>52568279
Why?

They came from dozens of different kingdoms, not all from Azyr. Unless Sigmar went around killing off their culture, they would still look different to native Azyrheimers.

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Threadly reminder.

>>52568317
>topkek, elitist much?
Nope
>And please explain to me why Dreadspears, Darkshards, Bleakswords, Black Guard, Executioners, Cold One Knights, Cold One Chariots, Dark Riders, Witch Elves, Sisters of Slaughter, Cauldron of Blood, Black Ark Corsairs, Shadow Warriors, Sisters of Avalorn, Phoenix Guard, White Lions, IoB Swordmasters, Spireguard, Skycutters look bad?
Lowtech and generic.
>>52568349
Because Azyrheim is fantasy sci-fi realm, why would forces of this realm looks like average medieval humans and elves, especially since such eqipment useless in Mortal Realms.

>>52568380
Explain Ironjawz and Bonesplitters, then.

>>52568317
>Freeguild feature in a novel
Only mentioned

>>52568392
Stop arguing with the Russian retard ffs.

>>52568392
>Explain Ironjawz and Bonesplitters, then
Realm of Beast

>>52568380

>Because Azyrheim is fantasy sci-fi realm, why would forces of this realm looks like average medieval humans and elves, especially since such eqipment useless in Mortal Realms.
you mean that is what you have decided?

>>52568392
I think he is retarded anon

>>52568395
You mean the main character was literally a freeguild soldier?

>>52568401
Sound like a sound idea, if he only he used a trip so I can hide it.

>>52568317
>Though that the AoS crew were the cool kids instead of the salty grognards?
Well, our game sells better than paints

>>52568404
>why would forces of this realm looks like average medieval humans and elves, especially since such eqipment useless in Mortal Realms.

You just said this.

Are the Ironjawz and Bonesplitters stuff not useless in the Mortal Realms?

>>52568413
>what you have decided
You mean?
>You mean the main character was literally a freeguild soldier?
Sort of, there were nothing in book which tells us straight "freeguild really at the same level as Empire soldiers".

>>52568418
>Are the Ironjawz and Bonesplitters stuff not useless in the Mortal Realms?
Nope, they are stronger and larger than average human (even including chaos humans, who are larger).

>>52568447
They're using rusted metal beaten with fists and bits of stone.

As opposed to master crafted stuff from Azyrheim.

I think that would make up for it.

Elves when?
Slaanesh when?
Freeguild when?
Soulblight when?

>>52568518
Soon.
After Nurgle update.
Not so soon.
Maybe after GHB2 solves GA:Death's problems.

>>52568508
>As opposed to master crafted stuff from Azyrheim
So we both agree that Azyrheim armies should be more high tech, I mean how the fuck people who build golden megapolises could still using the same weapon and armor as WHFB elves, dwarfs and humans?!

>>52568583
Because that's what they could give them.

>>52568583
>who build golden megapolises
Or you just paint their armor in gold.

>>52568337
>whining elf-shitposter
Who?

>>52568662
>Because that's what they could give them.
You mean..?

>>52568777
I think my meaning is perfectly clear.

>>52568808
>infinite-huge realm
>high-tech civilization
>cannot give proper weapon to soldiers
Yeah sure m8

>>52568903
Are the realms actually infinite? Source?

>buttblasted Empire and Elves fans keep live in delusions of their armies will be relevant and updated ITT

>>52565587
When you actually read it.

>>52568924
I know it's still you. We all know it's still you.

>>52568916
>Are the realms actually infinite?
Any text description since the first WD, but I think "Universe-huge" will be more correct, shit single Hammerhal are continent-size city

>>52568932
Cry cry groggy your generic shit will be replaced soon

>>52568936
Yeah, but source of them being "universe huge" though.

>>52568951
WD issue 78/25.07.2015

>>52568974
Post screencaps.

>>52568979
I phoneposter sorry, I give you name of the source now go and check it

So Anons should I hold my breath and wait for new skelemen and vampire models, or just start collecting the old stuff now.

>>52568997
Go for the old stuff, might as well.

It'll be a while before we get new stuff regardless.

>>52568583
It is likely that these technological achievements could be attributed to having access to different materials compared to the old world. For example, Sky-cities and airships of the Kharadron Overlords depend on aether-gold to stay afloat. Seeing how aether-gold is mined from the clouds, it is likely that floating is an inherent property of aether-gold. Should aether-gold have existed in the Old World, it would be likely that they too would have made flying machines as well.

There is also no guarantee that these new materials are plentiful enough to be used to arm their troops. For example, Sigmarite, which the Stormcast use for weapons and armor, is known to be in limited supply.

>>52568997
Im going to wait. I want a better undead SC for vampies.

>>52568989
Did. It's accurate, good job.

First time you've been right about anything in these threads.

>>52569032
>It is likely that these technological achievements could be attributed to having access to different materials compared to the old world.
Yes but we've already seen howAzyrheim looks like, so there is no reason for force of Order looks so shitty as WHFB armies.

>>52568916
>Source
WD issue 78/25.07.2015

>>52568903
The realms may be infinite but it does not mean that all the resources of the land are available to the armies. They are only able to acquire resources close to settlements since there is a need to mine and collect these materials.

Only on /tg/ would you meet an idiot who would forget that logistics exists even in a fantasy world.

>>52569062
Just because certain materials can be used to make buildings does not mean that they can be used to make weapons. Otherwise, I would send you to war using a brick gun.

Is it a false hope to expect new Saurus Warriors/Guard/Cold Ones/Kroxogor? Like just all the line units really.

Because as much as I love Seraphon, they look fucking goofy compared to stuff like the Oldblood and Scar Vet on the Carnosaur or the Sunblood.

>>52569062
Supplying armies accross a fuckhuge realm is not an easy task logistically. Just look at the Roman Empire around the 3rd-4th century. Increased reliance on non-Roman auxiliary troops who either had worse equipment as line infantry or filled a different role than the Romans (cavalry being the prime historical example).

>>52569114
I wouldn't get my hopes up. Until 40k gets plastic Sisters I doubt old Fantasy lines would get any model updates.

>>52569139
They have plastic sisters.

>>52569152
Isn't it just Celestine and her 2 lackys?

>>52569190
And a vehicle driver. But they're still plastic sisters, which fulfills your requirements.

>>52569198
Then Lizardmen update confirmed. Saurus Warriors are gonna have rock hard abs to match Blood Reavers and Arcanites.

>>52569094
ie a communist

>>52569230
There was some pinko who complained that unfortunately unwashed masses and feudalism still exist in AoS because there are still landowners.

>>52569094
>They are only able to acquire resources close to settlements since there is a need to mine and collect these materials.
Dude there is no problems even with transrealm trade.
>>52569105
>Just because certain materials can be used to make buildings does not mean that they can be used to make weapons
It's mostly about technologies

>>52569114
>Is it a false hope to expect new Saurus Warriors/Guard/Cold Ones/Kroxogor? Like just all the line units really.
Yep

2 Questions:

Putting together a set of SCE Liberators and can't decide how to equip them. Is the dual wield bad enough just to stick with another unit of shield+weapon guys or is it not all that bad?

Is it ok to give the Liberator/Judicator Prime the special weapon (Shockbow/Grandhammer ect) in a group? I don't see anything saying they can't have it and it seems like giving the guy with a better to hit or more attacks that weapon is a good idea.

>>52569506
>>52569506
>Putting together a set of SCE Liberators and can't decide how to equip them. Is the dual wield bad enough just to stick with another unit of shield+weapon guys or is it not all that bad?
Dual wield isn't necessarily bad, but typically Liberators are best for defense/tarpitting. Shield+cover+ Castellant buff and you have a really tough unit.
>Is it ok to give the Liberator/Judicator Prime the special weapon (Shockbow/Grandhammer ect) in a group? I don't see anything saying they can't have it and it seems like giving the guy with a better to hit or more attacks that weapon is a good idea.
Yes, you can give the Prime the special weapon.

>>52567666
shadow kin?

>>52565649

N I G H T G O B L I N S

>>52567644
>legacy armies are very bad
LOL

Prediction:

I bet the Kharadron Overlords will have access to an army ability (be it through a skyport, or a custom rule), to take some Dispossessed units, and either give them the "Skyfarer" keyword, or simply carry Dispossessed units.

Suddenly Hammerers are terrifying.

>>52569632
This

See: Ebay Kings being a top tier army

>>52567644
Ah, this joke is so good. Man, never thought skaven and bonesplitterz were not bottom feeders, or that TK were very good!

>>52567644
>They are legacy armies now, which mean you still can use them, but they are very bad

Confirmed for never having played AoS.

Legacy armies kick the either living sheyeet out of the new ones.

>>52569674

I heard Warherd and Brayherd were pretty bad. Is that true? I've never seen then played at my local scene.

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Reminder that AoS was invented to just keep milking customers of money.

Your game will be dead in a fraction of the time they managed to kill off Fantasy in.


Enjoy being fucking idiots.

Can tzangor be magnetised?

>>52569229
Oldbloodreaver confirmed

>>52569704
>when the groggy starts screaming

>>52569692
Brayherd is bad, Warherd is not.

>>52569704
>the rules are free
>can use legacy models
>armies of like 15 models total are viable
Yeah its a money making scam for sure my dude

>>52569506
Depends what you want the unit to do.
If you want them to take charges or hold an objective you should give them shields so they last longer.
If you want to drop them behind enemy lines so they can kill enemy shooters and/or artillery then give them swords so they can accomplish their job easier.

Yes you can give the prime a special weapon. You should always do this because the Prime gets an extra attack, and the special weapon is more than twice as good as a regular weapon.

>>52569671
>bonesplitterz
>legacy army
You wut?
>>52569674
>Legacy armies kick the either living sheyeet out of the new ones.
Only TK and even they cannot fight against the new Tzeench for example.

>>52569738
>>52569721
>replying to an Empirefag

>>52569738
>armies of like 15 models total are viable
That's not really true though.

>>52569704
Sorry not sorry to enjoy spending my money in miniatures I like & still using the miniatures i own for a game like AOS. Keep crying pls

>>52569725
This

>>52569704

It's people like this that make me love the AOS community, because when AOS launched it cut away from all those horrible bitter nasty people who refuse to accept change, it bought back a gamers such as myself and friends from 8 years of being outside the hobby.

The community now is more inclusive, friendly, talented and interesting than Fantasy ever was.

>>52569704
I actually think you have a point. AoS might be a phase with a plan to reboot the setting again in ten years time.

>>52568936
Then you're wrong, badly. The realms are stated AND shown in multiple sources to be finite (Ironjaw battletome, Pantheon) And hammerhal is nowhere continent size. It's the size of New-York IF Hammerhal Ghyra is as big as Aqsha.

>>52569751
I've read a report from the guy who was placed 11th on Adepticon. He played Nurgle Mortals + Sayl + Belakor, lost the last match to Tzeentch but gave a very hard game to his opponent and was leading on points until the final turn. Some legacy armies or at least parts of them are legitimately good, just as some armies with Battletomes are pretty mediocre.

>>52569751
>Only TK
They're all good, actually

>and even they cannot fight against the new Tzeench for example
TK shit all over Tzeentch, what are you talking about

TK have trouble dealing with the new Stormcast and some Highborne lists, but that's about it. 1x12 or 2x6 Necropolis Knights roll over everything else.

>>52569068
Retconned to kingdom come since Ironjawz battletome.

>>52569794
>It's the size of New-York
It's larger than Tokyo

>>52569704
Pisskicker....

>>52569809
Source: your ass. On Total War forums they made a comparison by scale and the result was about new york's size.

>>52569796
>11th
Not even top-10
>>52569806
>TK shit all over Tzeentch, what are you talking about
That's why they've lost to Tzeench
>Highborne lists,
>trouble
BWAHAHAHAHA
>>52569807
Post page, please.

>>52569760

Adepticon's vanguard tournament was won by a list of 17 models.

>>52569760
adepticon Vanguard tournament was won by Settra and 12 necro knights

>>52569840
Please, if you haven't played the game don't talk. You do know that a high-born list that consisted of phoenix guard spam got into the top 10 (maybe top 5 but haven't checked well) on adepticon, haven't you?

>>52569872
>Please, if you haven't played the game don't talk.
But I've played and knew that just like most of legacy armies HE have weak stats, doesn't have good magic (it's basically, mystic shield, mystic bolt + small spell), doesn't have good formations, have shitty ranged units and doesn't have any future support
>f phoenix guard spam
Very deep and interesting list.

>>52569791
Sounds fucking fantastic

>>52569849
>>52569850
Right, in 1000 points that's quite valid. Was thinking in 2000 points.

>>52569806
>All of them are good
That's unfortunately not true. Greenskinz for example are only useful for two Hero choices, otherwise all of their units are outclassed by other options. Gitmob or Spiderfang are also not too good without mixing up, especially since the loss of their legacy Battalions.

>>52569917
>That's unfortunately not true.
>unfortunately
You have to go back

>>52569892
>weak stats
False
>doesn't have good magic
False, they actually have the best defensive spells in the game
>shitty ranged units
They dont have anything like the Celestial Hurricanum, Skyfires, Stormfiends, or Longstrikes, but they have good enough shooting

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>>52569931

>>52569917
Greenzkins are probably the worst compendium army, but they still have the Spiderfangs.
I think the other compendium armies are still pretty good when played right, but the power creep of new releases is starting to kick in. There's no denying the power of the new Tzeentch, Stormcast or Khorne.

>>52569964
Greenskinz and Spiderfang are separate armies and Spiderfang is not really valid as a standalone army since their Battalion was FAQ'd out.

>>52569990
When you run them as a compendium they are the same army

>>52569840
>That's why they lost to Tzeentch
Can anyone make logical sense of this statement?
It does not follow that an army loses to another because the losers are superior.

>>52569777
People like you are the reason I don't want to be associated with the AoS community

Got the start collecting Sylvaneth box because I'm getting back into the hobby. I'm not sure which treelord is the best choice, any recommendations?

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>>52569674
>mfw Legacy Legion of Azgorh still gets new models and is still good

Now all I need is a Battletome for em with some fresh lore and better collection of rules and I'll be golden

>>52570046
Considering that Tzeentch got 1st place, TK got 2nd it's likely that the two armies didn't met. Also painting, sportsmanship and earned VP was also factored in the final score in Adepticon.

But I don't expect some slav with fetal alcohol syndrome shitposting on /tg/ to have any experiece about how torunaments work.

>>52570077
And yet here you are, in a thread about the game you claim you want nothing to do with.

>>52570128
Are you talking about adepticon?

TK tied for 1st. Soft score sportsmanship pushed him to 2nd as a tiebreaker.

>>52569937
>False
Truth.
>False, they actually have the best defensive spells in the game
Except their troops are very weak
>but they have good enough shooting
All new Battletomes outranging them easily

>>52570141
I didn't say I don't want to have anything with this game, I said I don't want to be associated with people like you

>>52570170
Yes and I know about that. But our resident russian shitposter claimed Tzeentch beat TK.

>>52570187
Trust me, nobody in the Eastern bloc wanted to associate themselves with your kind, nevertheless you came uninvited, decreased the quality of life and spread your shit for decades. Russians never change.

>>52570171
If you only look at the stat line then you're a moron

Skyfires have an unimpressive statline but are one of the best units in the game because of their abilities

>Except their troops are very weak
Most armies have weak troops. That's the point of troops. Not sure what this has to do with their magic

>All new Battletomes outranging them easily
Bolt throwers don't count because _________

>>52570207
>Russians never change.
You mean wut dude?

>>52570207
>implying I'm the slavposter
this is what I was talking about

>>52570227
>Most armies have weak troops.
Most of legacy armies my groggy friend.
>Bolt throwers don't count because _________
Because they are almost OOP or because ti will be very stupid to compare infantry shooters with warmachines?

>>52570207
>nobody in the Eastern bloc wanted to associate themselves with your kind,
>implying Poland opinion is relevant

>>52570307
>implying I'm Polish
>implying what I've said is not true as evidenced by your constant shit in these threads

>>52570334
>>implying I'm Polish
Then who? Cockhole?
>your constant shit in these threads
>telling WHFBcucks who they are is shitting in the threads

>>52570187
That guy wasn't me, but I'm sure you're a really fun and brilliant person to enjoy the hobby with. Everybody around you must be dying for your attention.

Meanwhile as the hobby grows and AOS sales rise and there are more people playing AOS than 40k and they're all lovely. They'll be that asshole that quotes the measuring from model to model rule that nobody uses who is bitter about AOS we ignore him, then what are you? Trying to relentlessly live in the 8th world where words like ''inclusive'' and ''fun'' and ''streamlined'' make your blood boil so you just sit around hating the community you're a part of? That's messed up.

>>52570298
>Most of legacy armies my groggy friend.
Almost every army has weak troops.

Some armies are defined by buffing their troops (like Bonesplitterz and Freeguild) while others use troops as strategic pawns.

>Because they are almost OOP or because ti will be very stupid to compare infantry shooters with warmachines?
Tomb Kings are fully OOP and dominate the entire game. Production status is irrelevant.
If you don't think Skyfires, Longstrikes, and Kurnoths are equivalent to artillery pieces then you're a moron.They fulfill the same roles, are roughly equivalent in cost, and do similar damage.

>>52570207
>butthurting out because of a single annoying shitposter
Fuck off my man.

>>52570353
>more people playing AOS than 40k
https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36971/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-fall-2016
>and they're all lovely.
Yes, like Reddit or Tumblr.

>>52570385
Well I was really talking about in my LGS and my local GW.

Also I'm very suspicious of data like that because they can't truly get it 100%, I'd agree that 40k probably did outsell AOS in 2016, however with the growth of AOS players at Adepticon and my local tournaments if it keeps its current growth it will overtake 40k

as for the lovely people thing, most people who play AOS I find ot be really great people to game with and talk about the Hobby. I rarely found this in 40k and Fantasy ( though this is from a few years ago) as people were so obsessed with their rules and the win they wanted and what they thought they should do, it was a really horrible climate. I think Youtubers who have spoken about AOS and AOS players on this site the majority of them are lovely.

Though I have no idea what this who Slavic thing is about ,seems immature and boring, probably just typical 4chan behaviour though.

>>52570353
>what are you? Trying to relentlessly live in the 8th world where words like ''inclusive'' and ''fun'' and ''streamlined'' make your blood boil so you just sit around hating the community you're a part of? That's messed up.
This is what I was talking about, but with more words this time.

note how there're at least 2 people ,according to what you're saying, that imply the person they are talking to is the stereotype of a neckbeard solely based on the suspect that he doesn't like a thing to the same extent or way to yours.

on the other hand I exclusively said that I don't like being associated with the people that act that way.

>>52570451
It's a mentally deficient shitposter who's been ruining every AoS thread for quite some time now. Unfortunately, he was nicknamed "Slavposter", although "30IQposter" would be much more fitting.

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My ethnicity is irrelevant, we should all work together

>>52570354
>Almost every army has weak troops.
But it's minority of their units.
>If you don't think Skyfires, Longstrikes, and Kurnoths are equivalent to artillery pieces then you're a moron.They fulfill the same roles, are roughly equivalent in cost, and do similar damage.
Soooooooooo following by your own statement the only Highborn ranged unit who could much with SCE and Sylvaneth shooting infantry is warmachine and somehow they don't sucks in shooting?

>>52570466
>note how there're at least 2 people ,according to what you're saying, that imply the person they are talking to is the stereotype of a neckbeard solely based on the suspect that he doesn't like a thing to the same extent or way to yours.
Yep because they not just disliking here, they still comming here to shitpost about their dead game and dead armies

>>52570482
>who could match with SCE and Sylvaneth
>>52570502
>Yep because they not just disliking things
fastfixes

>>52570385
Reminder that this data only counts independent retailers that volunteer their data.
It does not count any direct sales from GW or their web store

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>>52570502
Learn to read before attempting to falseflag

>>52570482
You do realise that both Sylvaneth and SCE only have one unit each that shoots 30" right?

I mean heck, the Judicators shoot at 24" max, and that's pretty much the 'standard' shooting range for every army that has bow wielding units.

>>52570451
>I think Youtubers who have spoken about AOS and AOS players on this site the majority of them are lovely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JawMyPFLRDE&feature=youtu.be

>>52570531
>You do realise that both Sylvaneth and SCE only have one unit each that shoots 30" right?
Do you realise that it's their main shooting units, right?

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>>52570466
I'm implying to dislike the AOS community because you said you didn't want to be associated with it because I spoke about the AOS community as being inclusive and lovely. If you then go on to assume that I think you're a Neckbeard then those are your words not mine.

If the 'thing' you were on about is the AOS community. which I have to guess it is as that's what I was talking about and you then replied to that statement, then you've made further assumptions.

My sole issue is that I don't enjoy people who project bitterness and negativity into things I like, that's pretty normal. Your sole issue seems to be that you want to piss on my boots and tell me it's raining and then being surprised when I'm annoyed.

TD;LR I bought my wellies.

>>52570527
>attempting to falseflag
Lolwut?

>>52570482
Judicators are troops. They shoot 24" or 12" depending on how theyre equipped. They are weak (especially for their point cost, but that's another discussion altogether)

Hurricanes/Longstrikes are more like artillery. They have higher range and higher damage, but are also much more vulnerable.

>>52570548
The raptors? I think technically their "main" shooting unit would still be Judicators since they can be battle line too, like most of the elven bowmen you compare them to.

The Raptors are most likely going to be spammed more, but you can do that to the bolt throwers too so i don't see that argument.

>>52570350
Nope, not a hohol. I doubt anyone in Ukraine could afford AoS. Too bad, because Savage Orruk Boarboyz would represent them quite well.

>>52570576
>Hurricanes/Longstrikes are more like artillery
>source: my ass

>>52570548
>longstrikes are their main shooting unit
L M A O

Okay this is obviously just shitposting, I'll stop replying now

>>52570534
She seems completely lovely, so your post just reveals that you are indeed nasty because you think she's not a good example of a lovely person and I think she is.

PS. I'm still wearing my wellies.

>>52570585
How are they not?

+Long range
+High damage
-Extremely poor defenses

This is like the definition of artillery

>>52570579
>but you can do that to the bolt throwers too
So Highborn are such a good army that they need to spam support unit to survive in current meta?
Sounds pretty bad like SoBmeltaspam.
>>52570604
>+Long range
>+High damage
>-Extremely poor defenses
And they are infantry.

>>52570086
Each fills a completely different purpose.
The regular Treelord is a typical monster that fits into any army, really.

Treelord Ancient is a wizard hero. He is a good choice for your general, although the start collecting box already comes with another character.

Spirit of Durthu is a combat lord who costs 400 points. He hits like a truck, but is to expensive to use in low point armies. He is good to have later on, but for now I would stick to one of the other two.

Stop fucking arguing and tell me who best Grand Alliance is!

>>52570653
Chaos of course!

>>52570633
Oh I get it, you're just trying to fish for arguments!

Good luck to you, my friend!

>>52570559
implying you*

just correcting myself

>>52570664
>Oh I get it, you're just trying to fish for arguments!
Nice denial groggy.

>>52570653
chaos

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>>52565991
Boo

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>>52570653
chaos of course!

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>>52570653
The skeleton federation

How much time has occurred between the Gates of Azyr and the All-Gates battle?

>>52570559
>TD;LR I bought my wellies.
>>52570598
>PS. I'm still wearing my wellies.
Hipster?

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>>52570477
We're all skeletons on the inside

>>52570653
Chaos!

>>52570466
>that imply the person they are talking to is the stereotype of a neckbeard solely based on the suspect that he doesn't like a thing to the same extent or way to yours.

AoS-dickriders who look down on Fantasy are basically neckbeards who found a razor-blade and shaved that shit off suddenly thinking they have a high ground

The Sigmar Community is shit when the old Aos v WHFB argument gets rolled out every thread, but beyond that it's decent

>>52570774
Why can't we just have the gameplay of aos in the fantasy setting?

Hey anons, I'm looking to really start a 1000 point army. I already have the stormcast and high elf armies from isle of blood and the stormcast v bloodbound sets (I bought them on ebay for cheap) but they aren't really my style.

I like Tzeentch allot, but it seems like it would take allot of effort to have a solid list.

I like lizardmen but their models look super out of date. I already have a Slann Starmaster that I somehow got for a dollar out of a bitz bin. I was thinking about buying the start collecting box along with another box of saurus warriors or saurus gaurds.

Any tips?

>>52570763
Well, except Skaven.

Skaven don't belong.

>>52570774
>AoS-dickriders who look down on Fantasy are basically neckbeards
>NO U!

>>52570798

P.S. the friend I play with the most uses a death army that fucking crushes me with Arkan the Blacks ridiculous magic.

>>52570793
Because none likes it.

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>>52570725

Im hoping they roll out Empire 2.0 i'll be happy then

>>52570793
you do

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>>52570798
Do not seek an army
Let the army call you

>but they aren't really my style
What is your style then, young commander?

>>52570818
Fuck off, none like Empire

>>52570798
Personally there are two things to think about, What kind of playstyle do you like and what kind of aesthetic do you like? I'd recommend picking something where you can expand in the same grand alliance an make your overall army bigger while you build. If for example you pick Sylvaneth then you can fight them alongside your elves.

I went for Chaos because I love converting and Chaos alliance is one of the best for converting, I also LOVE the warriors of chaos models. not to mention...

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

>>52570793
Dunno, GW should have just introduced Stormcast as a divine creation from Sigmar during the ET or some shit.

Sylvaneth could have been the same, Ironjawz could just be buff Orcs. AoS biggest problem is the shit setting, and WHFB's is the bloated crap gameplay, they could have had the best of both worlds

>>52570894
>AoS biggest problem is the shit setting,
kys

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I've had a few games of age of sigmar but is there any other way to stop the game turning into a large mob combat in the middle?

>>52570894
personally I like the setting, it's far more limitless now and you can really feel the modernisation of the races, it's becoming far more unique now.

Granted it's not as traditional as a few people like but hey

>>52570653
Destruction. Order is second best because Dwarfs and lizzies. The rest are edgy and/or gay.

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>mfw I can now thanks to AoS have an all night goblin army that works good without having shit tier Orruks near me

I fucking hate Orks, goblins have always been cooler just for the whole sneaky evil wretched thing that lies in the dark

>>52570914
objectives

>>52570861
A lot of people did. Few of them had the patience to paint an army properly.

>>52570914
PLaying with the scenarios in the Generals handbook tends to help with that I feel. I mean you're always gonna have a big mosh somewhere on the table, but running after objectives tends to spread your armies out a bit.

>>52570904
Can't handle the truth, plebeian? :^)

>>52570914
Gotta play the missions to avoid a clusterfuck in the middle, gives you somewhere to go.

>>52570843
>>52570891
I suppose I like variety. The Stormcast are a bit too slow for me unless deep striking and they have basically no magic, and magic is fun. I like the play style of the elves a bit more, but I don't find their models very compelling.

I tend to like the looks of more beastial races, tzaangors, lizardmen, the lord of change, orruks, even khorne deamons and blightkings.

Death is cool, but I don't really have a desire to play them, Ironjawz and savage orruks look great, but I feel they're a bit too simple and a bit weak. (and expensive).

I feel like I'm called to too many armies.

>>52570947
>Fantasy
>A lot of people did.
Nice meme
>>52570987
>Can't handle the truth, plebeian? :^)
>WHFBscum
>calls someone else plebian

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>>52570904
>"I DISAGREE WITH THIS OPINION REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Thanks for the civilized discussion anon.

>>52570925
>it's becoming far more unique now.
it's kind of hard to call magitech multiversum "unique"

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>>52570818
>rolls them out as a new death army of undead handgunners and shit

>>52571029
>>"I DISAGREE WITH THIS OPINION REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
I just said you have bad taste groggy

>>52571005
Then run Tzeench

>>52571120
I mean, I've never even played Fantasy. I'm here thanks to vermintide. I've just read about the old fantasy world, and the realmgate wars, and I preferred the old stuff (new stuff seemed to idealized).

>>52571156
Then you should go back /v/ermin

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>>52571005
>Magic
>Variety
>Bestial
You seem to belong to the Filth-that-don't-belong-to-Chaos, also known as the Skaven.

>>52571059
What other AoS-like settings other than Planescape can you name?

>>52571156
Read the Hammerhal lore, it's Old World 2.0: Simarine Boogaloo

>>52571350
>What other AoS-like settings other than Planescape can you name?
Spelljammer, unriniocally DC and Marvel multiverses, Warcraft (buyt I think it's more about aesthetics), MtG, probably a lot of FinalFantasy settings

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>>52571398
>it's Old World 2.0
m8 you are wrong

>>52570559
Sure, lets ignore how you lovely and inclusive person called everybody that doesn't like the thing you like the way you like a horrible nasty person
which is a thing I've seen done by way too many people parading about being part of this AoS community
to that sentiment of elitism I don't want to be associated with

if you're wearing wellies when it's not raining it's because you're the one used to piss on your feet

>>52571425
Your picture is literally the new settings version of heaven, and at this point now that people are getting back to the mortal realms and settling them, I'd find it hard to believe your average citizen could travel back there easily, if at all

>>52571445
>Your picture is literally the new settings version of heaven
Nope it's city of mortal races.
>I'd find it hard to believe your average citizen could travel back there easily, if at all
Why not? I mean we have Hammerhal as example of how people regulary travelling from one realm to other and it's hard to call Hammerhal OldWorld 2.0

>>52571183
Yeah, but I also own 2500 points of skaven now and 1400 points of nurgle, and 1000 points of spooky stuff.

>>52571445
Which begs the question of why they left Azyrheim in the first place. It's like if Black Americans suddenly started migrating to Liberia.

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>>52571425
That's not Hammerhal. Hammerhal looks like Altdorf on acid.

>>52571413
>Spelljammer
That's fair.
>unriniocally DC and Marvel multiverses
Maybe not ironic, but still simply wrong. I suppose this meme comes from the fact that Azyr looks a bit like Asgard from the Marvel movies.
>Warcraft (buyt I think it's more about aesthetics)
Cross-pollination between Warcraft and Warhammer is older than AoS
>MtG
Agreed.
>probably a lot of FinalFantasy settings
The key word is probably; that being said, I've never played any.

>>52571557
>That's not Hammerhal.
Yep it's Azyrheim

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Can someone explain these guys? Are they a taste of what's to come for goblins?

>>52571350
Magic the gathering, jammer, planescape, most of final fantasies, there are some in both western and eastern comics and there will be more, im not even too knowledgable about fantasy. WoW maybe too and the other mmos likely too like aion or guild wars.

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Should I paint my Moonclan purple, black or bit of both?
I already have like 7 of them painted purple

>>52571811
According to the hints from Kharadron Overlords: yes.

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>>52571835
What kind of question is that? Obviously white.

>>52571611
>but still simply wrong.
Why? Marvel literally have Nine worlds full of magitech races.
>the fact that Azyr looks a bit like Asgard from the Marvel movies.
And how it's not an example?

>>52571811
Shit this models almost ruined all charm of their sketches

>>52571916
>Marvel literally have Nine worlds full of magitech races.
It's a reworking of Norse mythology and it's not similar to what we have in AoS.
>And how it's not an example?
Kharadrons look like Enclave troopers from Fallout, does that mean AoS is similar to Fallout?

How can I fluff my Khorne army to be anything more than just generic?

>>52571860
No good entirely related to the epic maymay, but Mac Tonight commercials are legitimately chill to watch.

>>52571980
It's literally not possible

>>52571980
>Each one of them has a daemonette waifu.
>They are secretly vampires
>They are secretly sigmarines
>They are fallen sigmarines
>They only kill what they can rape
>They only rape what they can kill
>OLD ENOUGH TO BLEED, OLD ENOUGH TO BREED

>>52571980
They're travelling gourmet chefs experimenting to find the most delicate way to cook humans.

>>52572010
>>52571980

Cannibal Khorne worshippers could be cool.

GAIN BLOOD POWER BY LITERALLY EATING OPPONENTS

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>>52571980

>>52571980
Paint them blue.

>>52572033
I'm not sure if you're aware of that, but ALL KHORNE BLOODBOUND ARE CANNIBALS

>>52571945
>and it's not similar to what we have in AoS.
How exactly AoS isn't "reworked Norse mythology with magitech and superhero aesthetics"?
>Kharadrons look like Enclave troopers from Fallout,
Becauswe they wear power armor?

>>52571980
Assyrian Khornates.

>>52569506

Always give the prime the special weapon unless it's one that has nothing to do with hitting or making more attacks, like the starsoul mace or the thunderbolt crossbow.

Dual wield is actually pretty decent especially on a 10 man unit as with the celestant buff they'll be doing some non-negligible damage.

Just remember that with few exceptions, you can always have your prime and your special weapons guys in front while taking your wounds on your chumps in the back. This matters most with 20 man liberator units where you have a 4 man front with nearly retributors melee stats and 32 ablative wounds.

Always use Hammers instead of swords unless you play celestial vindicators

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>>52572530
Literally Chaos Dwarfs

>>52571980
>How can I fluff my Khorne army to be anything more than just generic?
By picking any other God

>>52572177
>How exactly AoS isn't "reworked Norse mythology with magitech and superhero aesthetics"?
Nohow. you're making this claim, it's on you to prove it.

>>52569964
>Greenzkins are probably the worst compendium army
Orruks suck, but I stilll use their boars and warboss on wyvern.

>>52572530

Spartan Khornates. Like the old-school character of Khorne where he also cared about martial honour.

Serious question:
Is this game still shit?

>>52571980

Corrupted knightly order who are very honorable but will fight literally anybody for any reason. Prefer chaos knights and juggernauts but have other Khorne units in limited supply.

Won't slaughter civilians because they're not worthy foes but will conscript some of them and give them corrupted blood, unwittingly making them into blood reavers.

They crusade around the realm of beasts trying to find big monsters to kill but will happily fight any mortal army they come across.

Daemons answer to their call because they will get a good fight but hate their attitude.

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>>52572763
Serious answer:
yes

>>52569704
>Your game will be dead in a fraction of the time they managed to kill off Fantasy in
Good. Just let me use my neat AoS minis in these new games

>>52571980
A champion joined Bloodbound, because he want to become a daemonkin, get himself in front of Khorne, and slay the Blood God once for all!

>not original at all

>>52571980
They just want to kill Khorne

>>52569705
No, the shape of the miniatures is such that it neutralises any magnetic field.

>>52572725
I kinda want to do that now. Shame Khorne doesn't believe in spears and short swords.

>>52572867
>>52572905
Hivemind

>>52572823
>Neat
You're the wargaming equivalent of people that put gnomes in their lawn

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>>52572947
I will shatter your asshole with my gnomes motherfucker

>>52571980
If you have a Daemon Prince or a Bloodthirster, then you've got someone who can have ambitions and goals

Boom

new thread where??

>>52570894
Stormcast are a bit too exotic for WHFB don't you think?

Nevermind Kharadron. People already shat their pants over the 8th Gyrocopters.

>>52573320
It's not even on page seven yet.

>>52573343
And now these people are thankfully no longer with us, and AoS is the reason for that. Are you starting to see why AoS is, for all its shortcomings, a good thing?

>>52572867
>>52572905

Khorne would probably encourage that too. He'd give him Daemon Princehood, just to make the fight a little more exciting beforce Khorne lops his head off.

>>52573473
>Are you starting to see why AoS is, for all its shortcomings, a good thing?
To open more ways to catch more customers?

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I just finished my Herald, what do you think?

>>52573343

No more than warriors of chaos, stormcast would be cool if they only appeared in the old world after lightning strikes and returned to azyrheim shortly after. They would be myths and legends to most of the populace rather than hard facts of life

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Hi /AoSg/,

I don't war game at all (apologies because I'll consistently use the wrong terminologies) and am looking for some advice. I'm looking for a surprise present for my sister who got into this hobby last year. From what I know she plays Grand Alliance Death, focusing thematically on a Skeleton army so I am looking to get her a set that fits that motif rather than some vampire/ghoul/zombie. I didn't like the prices of tiny units I saw in GW and was looking at OOP things and came across the Necrosphinx which had good reviews in AoS plus the aesthetics is definitely her thing. I'm in the UK and because I've not been in this hobby I am not sure what a good price for one of these things NIB should be. I think I can scour one for about £35 inc P&P online, is that a decent price or do these things often fluctuate? I don't need to pull the trigger till December so if anyone can recommend me a reputable store or a trade place somewhere to check now and again that will be most helpful.

From what I remember seeing she already has:

-Nagash
-Arkhan the Black
-(Mortis Engine, I think??)
-Morghast Harbingers
-Skeleton Warriors (at least 2 boxes)
-Spirit Hosts

>>52574013
£35 for a necrosphinx is unbelievably good value, they're OOP and most Tomb Kings stuff goes for hundreds of pounds on ebay, more if it's new in box. Be careful that you're not buying a recast. As you've said you're new to all this, basically Games Workshop stopped making and selling it and so the second-hand price has gone up to a frankly silly degree.

>>52574013
It's an excellent gift, go with it
>best unit in the game
>the model is a painter's dream
>strangely low price

>>52573924
Looks good but it's too dark imo

>>52573924
Anyone has a paint range wishlist?
I'd like something like "Tzeentch Magic" - a glow in the dark paint for magic effects.

>>52574249
That's just a bit of bad lighting on my part, I will try to set up a place where there are less shadows

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>>52574206
>best unit in the game
Wrong

>>52574289

I wanted a good out-of-the-pot blood paint for my Khorne. Then we got Blood For The Blood God.

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>>52574342
>Wrong

actually so are you.

To my knowledge, point for point, nothing beats these. As a bonus they look nice too.

>>52574987
>point for point
shoo shoo mathfag

Aetherwings are the new meta

>>52574987
Vulkite Berserkers disagree

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Does anyone know where I can find out what year model set was released? I'm curious at when some of these sculpts were first made and sold and when they were most recently updated.