Cyberpunk General

Here's the Setting doc - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cMsbLUgabxgvs5Y0Hr3j8_a70kbUz88vLBem9VGGQJM/edit?usp=sharing

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>>52562783
He makes such awesome work.

>>52563649
I agree, I really wish the bulk of his work wasn't so sexual, his technique is brilliant, I'd love to see more male variants

>>52562783
bump!

>>52562793
>Of the 7 countries in the world that have dedicated R&D towards biotics, all declared private bionics illegal, for the purposes of economic growth - all governmental funded research and information in the field are locked down
I don't get it. What is that supposed to mean? Cyberware becomes more or less illegal in order to achieve economic growth? Doesn't make any sense to me. You probably want to rephrase that.

>Todd Lynn opens his show ‘Comely in Carbon’ at 9:34pm in London. Throughout the show, many amputee models were introduced, all with bionic replacement limbs
If cyberware research is super-secret and super-guarded, how does it come that some random fashion designer gets fully-functional cyberware?

>The fashion communities in ... as well as swathes of the general public, demand Lynn’s safe return
If there's an industry that has no power, then it's the fashion industry. Queer designers and anorexic models won't put much of a fight. And the general public doesn't care about them anyway. The amputees don't have much political or economic power either.

>The Todd Lynn protests are ongoing, bolstered by many more ‘missing persons’ cases throughout the last 8 months.
It gives the impression that everyone in the UK is manufacturing cyberware.

>‘Cyberpunks/Punks’ are barely ever apprehended or questioned, unless they have explicit, black-market Cyberwear
Makes zero sense with what is written in the previous chapters. There cannot be any black-market cyberware if cyberware is illegal. All cyberware is black.

>Buckingham Palace and many other royal residences are infiltrated by military agents... The operatives executed: King Charles...
Why in all the heck would the army kill the royal family who has no political power and benefits of a huge popularity? The shadow government should rather use them.

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It's pretty cool to have a different setting than Tokyo or Hong Kong.

>>52562783
hey sargon

Anyone have that one post about the effects of super-cybernetics and people being wired all the time? The one with the player who almost shot some kids throwing around a ball because his senses thought it was an attack?

>>52568154
>>Todd Lynn opens his show ‘Comely in Carbon’ at 9:34pm in London. Throughout the show, many amputee models were introduced, all with bionic replacement limbs
>If cyberware research is super-secret and super-guarded, how does it come that some random fashion designer gets fully-functional cyberware?
>>The fashion communities in ... as well as swathes of the general public, demand Lynn’s safe return
>If there's an industry that has no power, then it's the fashion industry. Queer designers and anorexic models won't put much of a fight. And the general public doesn't care about them anyway. The amputees don't have much political or economic power either.
man you are one retarded and bitter faggot.

did a fashion designer fuck your girlfriend or something? or are you just jealous of people who make millions of dollar off the fact that not everyone wears their greasy cheeto-stained sonic-the-hedgehog t-shirt and cargo shorts everywhere, like yourself?

>>52568154
>points 1 2 and 4
This is one I've been getting a lot, and yeah I do think I need to make it more clear because I only said it once - it's PRIVATE development that is illegal, the government want to capitalise bionics for money, military power, and public safety. let's not forget that developing weapons and nuclear power in your garage is possible, but not legal - that's how i thought of it, something that the public shouldn't be doing without supervision.

>point 3
It's not about the fact that they have traditional power (at this point 2011 through 2016, the government are still keeping the illusion of peace), it's about massive swathes of people coming out in relatively peaceful protest and making the government lose face. also you know that there are more people involved in the fashion community than designers and models right?

>point 5
fair point, i'll look to fix this a bit

>point 6
this is a big misinterpretation of 'shadow government' and how much political power the royal family has - Firstly, the royal family can legally dissolve the Westminster government if they want, this is what the public has been encouraging them to do. secondly the 'shadow government' isn't some spooky evil organisation, it's a very real thing that exists in the UK, it's called the Shadow Cabinet.


>>52571353
>If cyberware research is super-secret and super-guarded, how does it come that some random fashion designer gets fully-functional cyberware?
again, it's not that this technology isn't possible to achieve, it's that the government is keeping tabs on those who do it, and are trying to keep it private.
>If there's an industry that has no power, then it's the fashion industry.
again i've already answered this.

>did a fashion designer fuck your girlfriend or something? or are you ---
on the contrary, I am very much a part of the industry so I enjoy writing about it, don't presume how I look just because I'm on /tg/

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>>52571353
I don't give a fuck about fashion designers. Good if some could make it and become millionaires doing what they like. It doesn't change the fact that 99% of them are queers - which isn't my business or my point anyway. My point is that no one is going to protest and riot because a fashion designer gets arrested. Mordecai Vanunu, the Israeli scientist who exposed the Israeli nuclear program, got kidnapped by Mossad agents in front of a bunch of journalists. Did anything happen? Did embassies of Israel got stormed by angry nuclear scientists and Greenpeace activists? No. Nada. Did we see widespread protests and riots when Ai Weiwei was arrested? Again, no.

>>52573904
>comparing protest culture in the western world vs the middle-east

regardless, this is fucking fantasy dude, it's just trying to establish a fun setting to play a game in with some semblance of cohesion

>>52573990
Middle East? Did I miss something? Vanunu is considered a traitor in Israel. If there had been protest it would have been in Europe - maybe in Italy as he got kidnapped in Rome.

Thinking about it, politicians who get strangled by angry protestors, protestors who gun down policemen and throw hand grenades during funerals, is pretty Middle Eastern. Here in Europe people are pretty docile. Remember those gangs who raped thousands of young girls in the UK over years? The cops didn't do anything for years. Finally, the whole scandal exploded. If something like this would happen to my daughter I would lynch the guys who did it and the cops who didn't do their job. And what happened finally? Fucking nothing. Some guys got arrested, most fled to whatever shithole they crawled from, and one or two officials got sacked. No riot, no lynching, no pogrom.

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And when there are riots in the UK, it's because some people just need new TVs and new sneakers.

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Or there's a football match.

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Or when people have to pay more money.

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>>52562783
Finaly a new CP2020 thread.
Im totaly new to CP2020 and i was looking for one to ask your for your advise and experiences.

For some reason i started playing Shadowrun (5ed) a year ago because i love cyberpunk and especially the neuromancer trilogy and so on... but im not realy happy with the whole system and world. All these fantasy and magic stuff, the realy massive amount of rules and also these over the top amount of futuristic stuff. (dont get me wrong on the last part, cyberpunk should totally be full of futuristig awesome technology and so on but in my opinion SR got much too far with all the wifi and godlike-superpoweres characters can unlock by cyberfication and so on... i like the neuromancer way. futuristic, but not so much)

Now im up to restart my shadowrun group by buying into CP2020 because we all agree about the fantasy and the rules-heavy part. But ive some questions before i waste a load of mony into these old gems.

1. Many people say 2020 is a realy combat-focused game. I like deadly realistic (headshot equals death and so on) but im a fan of the black trenchcoat style and im not realy into massive shooting actions as a main plot target. Should i still buy into 2020?

2. Whats about these "Archetypes" oder "Job" you choose from? I know there are classes like Netrunner, Cop, Loner and so on... and im a big fan of building characters totaly free. i hate the old DnD style where something like a class determines about who you are and what you do and so on... and some of these classes (rockstar?!?!?!) sounds totaly "stupid" for me.

3. Decking/Hacking. I love hacking in cyberpunk and i would totaly love to integrate much matrix action in my playgroup. We also had ideas about a group of Deckers/Netrunners who acty like a hackingroup for matrix only runs when we started with SR. Sadly hacking in SR was horrible so i would love to hear your opinion on how well 2020 did hacking.

Would be realy great if you could help me. Thanks!

>>52574967
>Archetypes
This I handled on a person to person basis. If people didn't like the achetypes that were set up, they could, theoretically create their own class. With your approval, of course. Then it just boils down to their skills.
>Hacking
While the whole "Netrunning" thing is a cool concept, hackers in vanilla would have to navigate some kind of maze, summon programs to help them and hack into shit while the rest of the group just kind of watches. Very boring and slows the games down to a crawl, in my opinion. I just made it skill checks.

>>52575264
>Hacking
So its the same bad think like in SR? how sad. I love the idea of a free visitable 3D matrix as in the neuromancer books but i hate these idea of bringen DnD-Maze dungeoncrawling and stupid programspellcasting into it. I mean come on, sure 2020 is from the 80s and the internet (and hacking) was more or less total scifi for them... but even the newest SR version using the same crappy idea how hacking works in a RPG system... this is just stupid...

I like your idea of using simple skill checks for hacking but dosnt this destroy the "matrix-feeling" in a cyberpunk story more or less completly?

>>52575479
Alternatively, you COULD describe what it is they do and see as they hack into places before and after the skill checks, again, this is just how I do it. I'm sure someone here will scoff at the idea of not making it like how the vanilla game wants you to do it, but for me, there's far too much wading through the rulebook and making extra-special maps for one or two people to make it enjoyable.

>>52574967
1. it is deadly realistic, 4dmg to the head WILL kill instantly, 8dmg to a limb CAN kill instantly. if you o the DM wants to run a low combat setting you can

2. I think the class system is more dark souls-y, your starting class doesn't really matter so much, it's more about how you grow. you can make your own class Oblivion style and just pick what skills you want to be your main ones, and what your class skill would be.

3. Sad to say most people including myself don't like how netrunning works in the group dynamic. when you want a netrunner player to do something the rest of the party basically has to sit and wait around doing nothing for quite a while. the best way to include them is to have an NPC netrunner working remotely with the group.

nice to see more people picking up 2020

>>52575264
Netrunners can also hack remote-controlled stuff without having to do the whole data-fortress hack. All they need is the corresponding program.

>>52574967
Some people play CP2020 very combat focused, other don't. It comes down to what you and your group like.

If you like building characters totally free, the standard CP2020 isn't for you. Personally, I got totally rid of character classes - this required to redefine some special skills and take out some others. At character creation I simply require the characters to have at least 12 skills. That's all.

CP2020 hacking sucks. The only good thing is hacking of remote-controlled stuff, like robo-cabs, drones and cameras. CP2020 isn't the only game with bad netrunning. GURPS and SR suck, just as much.

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>>52574967
I also recommend you to get the stuff from the PDF general first.

>>52575601
>its deadly realistic
nice!

>nice to see more people picking up 2020
i love the sprawl books and i love cyberpunk, i dont like SR so... here i am and after all i think im happy to be here. i think i will try to reuse my "old" SR5ed books for meterials and resources for my upcoming 2020 playgroup...

>>52575611
>At character creation I simply require the characters to have at least 12 skills
Could you please give me a little bit more detail on how your group creates free characters? i would love to get rid of the classes befor even starting creating the first characters for my very first game of 2020

>hacking sucks
well this is realy sad... i may will change it like >>52575590 describes it.

>>52575752
hmm love that kind of pics
also yea, i will take a look on the PDFs too.

I like the system for 2020, but I've never cared much for the megacorps as-presented. Has anyone ever made a working alternate campaign setting?

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Hey everyone, got a bit of a niche idea and would like some critique. So I'm going to be running a cyberpunk game and using The Sprawl.

The thing is, I really dislike the fact that there's no "difficulty rating" or "skill level" to the dive checks, which makes everything seem 100% arbitrary.

I'm thinking of wholesale hawking the Edge of the Empire dice mechanics into the Sprawl and letting the players put XP points into the moves they can do. I know this goes against the "PbtA" ethos and all that, but I want to try something new.

The attribute scores will have two green dice added for the check, so 2 ->4 dice, 1 -> 3 dice, 0 ->2 dice, -1 ->1 die. Then the dice are upgraded by the skill points, as per normal EofE rules

This allows
>challenges to be dialed up and down in difficulty
>challenges can be made more threatening while not making them harder (red dice)
>black/blue dive for situational stuff and replacing the "forward +-1" mechanic
>unexpected narrative monkey wrenches (Triumphs/Dispairs)
>FFG allies and adversary pregen NPC decks can still be used (since the dicepools would be equivalent enough)
And most important
>it all comes down to succeed/fail with advantage/disadvantage, just like The Sprawl

Outside of dice mechanics, I want to keep it moderately out of the box. But does anyone have any suggestions to what I've laid out? Any other Sprawl suggestioms?

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>>52575865
Just take 12 skills from the list. If you don't know which one are useful, just take the classic classes as template. Then have the characters distribute 50 to 60 points between those classes. I fix an arbitrary minimum to skills of 2 and a maximum of 7 at character creation.

My group always did mercenary kind of guys. So you always had two or three weapon specialists, a netrunner or a dealer, and a techie.

>>52573527
>>52573904
>>>/pol/
>>>/r9k/

>>52576175
thanks!

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>>52575988
There's Hunter-Seeker, a sleeker homebrew version of CP2020.

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Just copped these to GM my first game of 2020 in, sick or shit?

>>52579485
>Garbage geopolitics; the setting

>>52579641
>know-nothing troll; the post

>>52579914
>America and China sign a pact not to use nuclear weapons in event of a war
That is one of the dumbest things I've ever read in my life. The fact that they adhere to it is even dumber.

>>52574967
>1. Many people say 2020 is a realy combat-focused game.

Only if you want your players to be rolling up new characters every session. I usually do 1 fight every three sessions with the group I DM and they almost always get into it themselves - I try to leave the way to solve the problem open and not just reliant on combat. Also, only 1 of the archetypes is really combat focused. C2020 has exciting combat, but it really is'nt the focus unless you decide that everyone should be a solo with heavy arm and sub machine guns.

>2. Whats about these "Archetypes" oder "Job" you choose from?

They give you single special abilities for the archetype and a list of starting skills. You can easily scrap the starting skills and have your players choose their own sets. I usually just let them switch out skills they don't want, but allow them to use it as a baseline. The special abilities could also be individualized more - but they are mainly based on career, and determine starting cash.

>3. Decking/Hacking. I love hacking in cyberpunk and i would totaly love to integrate much matrix action in my playgroup

Trying to run hacking while having other players doing real world stuff can be a bit tricky. I house rule and streamline the netrunning stuff a bit, and try to get runners to focus on "controller" programs so they can be more focused on hacking into cameras and cars, opening doors, etc, rather than pure netrunning. I also take out the grid that runners are supposed to use to speed things up. But people complain about the netrunning system more than they should, it isn't perfect, but it is quite serviceable.

>>52580068
They do use weapons, it's mentioned in several places. Apparently you can't into reading comprehension.

>>52580347
Ctrl-Fing "Nuke" and "Nuclear" leads to exactly one obscure reference to them being used in WW3. That's a pretty big thing to just gloss over.

You're also very bad at writing wars, while I'm at it.

>>52580406
not the same guy but damn dude, give him something to work with, just saying "It's shit and dumb and I hate it" isn't helping anyone. Tell the guy a way to improve it if you know so much.

>>52579613
Could stand to be sicker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UcQSev3f40

>>52580443
Well, for starters, ICBMs were used, and it doesn't state whether they were nuclear tipped or not. NATO has a strict shot-for-shot nuclear weapon policy, though, and upon warning of ICBM launch, nuclear tipped or not, the USA would respond in kind with strategic nuclear strikes. China's centralized leadership would have its head cut off, and the war effort at that point would slow to a crawl. As well, tactical nuclear weapons used on naval groups would leave neither side with a feasible navy about a month after the first use of the weapons.

For geopolitics; Russia is in a military alliance with half of the nations it invades, which makes no sense why they wouldn't just press for diplomatic annexation and resort to betraying their only allies. China somehow managing to come out of a nuclear exchange as a superpower makes nil sense (It would make sense for Japan or something to be one, as they were not hit by any nuclear strikes, seeing as they weren't party to the war). Even without the nuclear strikes, a major nation mobilizing its forces and industry, and evacuating areas near priority nuclear targets would absolutely cripple its economy for 5 or so years. Also, PRC demanding Taiwan and military blockade makes no sense without any mention of a hardliner coup or something to suddenly turn moderate Dengism in to hard Maoism.

>>52580490
I saw these for sale, I really really want them, but they're like £55 and I gotta pay rent, the ones in that pic were £8

>>52575601
>>52575611
I made a couple of small changes to deckers to make them usable in a party:
- While netrunning is a thing, corporate firewalls are *extremely* strong. You may get a way in through legwork, but generally deckers need to be on-site and connecting through interior wireless nodes.
- Netrunning is real-time, not "oh look that hour of real time was just a single second"
- Deckers can connect to the datascape as an AR overlay. They still have to deal with the ICE and other things running around, but they can contribute in fights/utility while being with the party.

It turns deckers into squishy wizards. If their remotes don't work, they can try and force the issue with their software, not to mention the possibility of turning security systems on enemies.

Note that while this *can* be overpowered, it's generally offset by deckers having to be with the party to get shit done. None of this split party crap.

>>52580646
You're wrong about so many things it'd take a half-course to correct you, but some quick notes:

>Well, for starters, ICBMs were used, and it doesn't state whether they were nuclear tipped or not. NATO has a strict shot-for-shot nuclear weapon policy, though, and upon warning of ICBM launch, nuclear tipped or not, the USA would respond in kind with strategic nuclear strikes.

No, it does not. NATO has a nuclear war plan against _Russia_ that includes tactical and strategic escalation, but a) it's not public b) it's not tit-for-tat and c) it doesn't include China. If China launched a series of DF-31 non-nuclear ICBMs at Guam or a US navy carrier strike group, NATO would have nothing to say about it. The US would absolutely not launch nuclear ICBMS in retaliation (at what exactly? the Chinese mainland? Hell no, that breaks the military target/civilian target escalation protocol). What the US would do is entirely unclear at this point, and strategists are speculating about what would happen. Read some Holmes.

>>52580827
>- Netrunning is real-time, not "oh look that hour of real time was just a single second"
so does this mean that the netrunner will be basically working as fast as he can irl? like if they were good enough at netrunning they could do it really quickly inbetween turns? I like this idea in theory, i like that the player won't be focusing on combat too much because they are occupied, much the same as the netrunner in-game would be, they would be more likely to hurt themselves through preoccupation. However it does run into the problem of 1. netrunning can sometimes take a LONG time, like over an hour in some cases (my old DM Richie said that he doesn't run them anymore because they had a 3 hour hacking session). There's also the problem of, if this is skill based, certain players will or will not be suited better to netrunning, like you could make the best netrunner ever, but if you take twice as long as another person with a less powerful one, what's the point?

>>52580862
NATO has a very clear shot for shot policy with nuclear weapons, that would stay for China. Or, at least on paper that's what they say their doctrine is. NATO would also not wait for ICBMs to impact to see if they were nuclear tipped or not. It would result in nuclear escalation. It's kill or be killed. Strategic targets would be hit, probably in Chinese pacific holdings, or instead of strategic retaliation, they'd do tactical retaliation.

>>52580646
>For geopolitics; Russia is in a military alliance with half of the nations it invades, which makes no sense why they wouldn't just press for diplomatic annexation and resort to betraying their only allies.

First off, what the hell is "diplomatic annexation"? Secondly, Russia was in a military and economic alliance with Ukraine until the Orange Revolution, then it invaded after Yanukovych got run out of town. Circumstances change; if any of these allied countries suddenly switched to a western/Chinese/Islamic government, Russia would invade. This is perfectly possible in places like Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, where Russia supports a small elite group of oligarsh

> Also, PRC demanding Taiwan and military blockade makes no sense without any mention of a hardliner coup or something to suddenly turn moderate Dengism in to hard Maoism.

Dengism is long gone and is not the current policy of the PRC. The PRC has repeatedly stated that blockade and invasion of Taiwan as perfect acceptable options to them in the event of the Taiwan government declaring independence. Perfectly plausible.

The timeline presented needs work and has some contradictions but your ignorant comments aren't helping.

>>52580900
>NATO has a very clear shot for shot policy with nuclear weapons, that would stay for China. Or, at least on paper that's what they say their doctrine is. NATO would also not wait for ICBMs to impact to see if they were nuclear tipped or not. It would result in nuclear escalation. It's kill or be killed. Strategic targets would be hit, probably in Chinese pacific holdings, or instead of strategic retaliation, they'd do tactical retaliation.

Absolutely, completely wrong. Show me where "on paper" it says that the US/NATO would immediately fire ICBMS on a one-for-one basis if China launched ICBMS. Nowhere is this written.

You seem to know far less that you think.

>>52580928
>He doesn't know what diplomatic annexation is
It's when you annex a nation through diplomacy, not war. Come on, it's not that hard to imagine.

>>52580944
>Ah gee we're just going to let these 1mt bombs land on our heads and take a day or two to think about how we'll respond

>>52580964
>>52580964
That's just called annexation, not "diplomatic annexation". Your terminology betrays: your knowledge of geopolitics obviously comes from Europa Universalis and Civ5. Stop getting your knowledge of the world from video games.

>>Ah gee we're just going to let these 1mt bombs land on our heads and take a day or two to think about how we'll respond

Yeah, nobody has an answer to what to do if China launches DF-31s. That's why they're destabilizing and why the Quad was so concerned about them. There is no official nuclear response to a non-nuclear attack on US military assets.

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>>52580928
>>52580900
>>52581033

pls fuck off back to /pol/. this is supposed to be about fun games

>>52580900
>NATO would also not wait for ICBMs to impact to see if they were nuclear tipped or not.

NATO isn't even involved in military responses in the USPACOM theatre. The short response time means it'd only be the US responding, and until an actual nuke hit US territory NATO wouldn't have any grounds to say anything until Article 5 was invoked. You really don't know anything.

>>52581041
You're right, I'm fucking off to sleep now. Hope the other asshole does as well.

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Let's get back to actual cyberpunk

Cool places, buildings and rooms to put your cyberpunks in that aren't typical Night Cities

pic related, always wanted to take the punks to Morocco. Or something like Italy or Greece, Sunnypunk

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>>52581480
sick. If I remember right I think there's a scene filmed here (or somewhere very similar) in the film Only Lovers Left Alive

>>52574967
CP2020 can be very combat focused if you want it to be. For example I once ran a campaign where my players were a white supremacist combat zone gang. The whole campaign took place in The Zone and wass all about gang warfare.

But I've also ran investigation heavy buddy cop campaigns for two players, so it's whatever you make of it

>>52562783
>>52563649
>>52568321
why is chrome so sexual

>>52581041
Accusing Hunter/Seeker of having a crappy background and completely occulting the fact that CP2020 is equally bad.

>>52582342
Read the thread dude, OP created their setting exactly because they didn't like CP2020's background. Also, I didn't say anything about Hunter/Seeker, I just wanted those two idiots arguing to leave so we could talk about the actual subject matter

>>52582383
US fragmented by Russian nukes soon. Cyberpunk future geopolitics are coming.

:^,

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>>52582383
I was speaking of the two idiots who were polluting the thread.

>>52582422
Won't happen. The US are so polite that they even informed Russians and Syrians of the upcoming bombardment. If things really get hot between the superpowers, then we won't have a cyberpunk future, but a post-apocalyptic one - while it has its charm I prefer to fuck a sexy chromed gynoid rather than die slowly of radiation poisoning or getting eating by some cannibals.

>>52580892
My players never found that a problem. Deckers took their place in the initiative order like everyone else, and fights with ICE are over very quickly (Either the program breaks the ICE or it doesn't), and likewise back from the ICE (the runner's either protected by a shield, get forced out of the system, or get brain damage). If there's no opposition, they can hijack systems to help friendlies/harm enemies.

Most targets don't have offensive systems, of course. But having a decker can help party utility greatly, able to shut down cameras/open doors/whatever a remote can do, they can do better (at the possibility of brain damage).

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>>52575752
i totaly love this pictures. are there more? where do they come from?

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I like to have the characters being digital nomads constantly on the move between their working places (bodyguarding in Tokyo, exfiltration in Bogota, assassination in Kiev, heist in Hong Kong, etc.). They live from their suite-cases or car trunks, and have to stay in vehicles, coffin hotels, squats, containers, rented hangars or rented hotels and condos when they are flush and lucky.

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>>52584621
[Red-Zone] X-Girl: Cyber Punk Adventure

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After all what ive read here i asked my LGS for CP2020 and they realy had one copy on stock, but its the "second edition" and ive no idea what this means. The guy i asked about it told me its the original 2020 rulebook plus a Weapon-Catalog but im not sure if this is the real deal or if i should look for the "original" one.

<-Here is a pic of the book he has in his store.
(im from germany and the book is in german)

>>52584795
That's the second German edition. I happen to have the first one.

I think the German 2nd edition is exactly the same as the first edition, but with a different layout and artwork. The content is probably the same, but the equipment list probably got expanded with stuff from Blackhammer's Street Weapons guide. The map from the 2nd edition looks excellent. I'd buy it if I were you.

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>>52584824
Thanks for your advise!

>>52584795
CP2020 has three English versions: 1, 2, and 2.01. v1's a boxed set with the core book and a bunch of screamsheets (newspaper pages with an adventure on the back). v2 has those bound into the back of the book, and v2.01 is v2 with some of the art replaced by better pieces from the Italian version. v2 and v2.01 also contain a bit of errata.

I don't know what version the German one's based off. From what you're saying it sounds like the guy's telling you it's the core book with Blackhand's Street Weapons 2020 added into it. BSW2020 is a directory of stats for every weapon released for CP2020 up to whenever in 1995 they finished writing it.

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>>52584836
The German first edition (1992) came out after the fall of the Soviet Union. I assume that it's based on Cyberpunk 2020 V. 2 or V. 2.00 because they both were written before, and in the introduction of the German edition, the authors write that they changed the background to incorporate the fall of the USSR which wasn't in the original edition (aber egal ob UDSSR oder GUS, die Aktion bleibt gleich).

By the way, Cyberpunk 2020 V. 2.01 doesn't have some stuff from LUYPSH, but it's the opposite.

I wish someone could scan V. 2.00 or V. 2. Such a person would be the greatest hero of the cyberspace. His memory would be engraved in chrome forever.

>>52584900
>Cyberpunk 2020 V. 2.01 doesn't have some stuff from LUYPSH, but it's the opposite.
I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here. LUYPSH has bits from v2.01 in it?

>>52584940
Yup. But it's only some clarifications about skills and minor stuff like that. Nothing ground breaking at all.

Can you recommend some great cyberpunk songs? Not for BGM but good songs to hear to get in a cyberpunkish mood?

Songs like this im looking for i like so far:
Archive - Bullets
Grendel - Timewave Zero
Ladytron - Destroy everything you touch
Placebo - Running up that hill
Shiny Toy Guns - Don't cry out
Shiny Toy Guns - Le Disko
Iron Maiden - Brave new world

>>52585116
MELL - Red Fraction

maybe..

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>>52585116

Some anon had posted this in a previous thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnmTtC7A_qc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPpUFBVSyWs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGqiBFqWCTU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDf7cuCM2Y

I had posted this in reply, because his choices weren't cyberpunk and extreme enough:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mVGDJmSrrS8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=06Ot0DaN1hM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6g3UsHxfJK4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rgysHYgqsSY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wE87RujMWDg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PGFgZVTso5U
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IAJwpwtzt48
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sqV-kHTPFzM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vgJ133aySCQ
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TQMD0gCD0r0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fuabKzRsE6Y
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4iaj2w7Bp58

I had also compiled all the music I listened during the golden age of cyberpunk. Here's an almost complete playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiqFJNjZR4SaSw3xWqt2XnWGaY2R22xmK

Other recommended artists would be: Ministry, KMFDM, Rob Zombie, Fear Factory, Killing Joke, Atari Teenage Riot, Hanako, Rammstein, Biohazard, Baal, Scorn, Michael McCann

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Found some more cool pictures.

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Seems to be concept art for Blade Runner. Therefore, they are quite retro.

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But I think we can see where the idea of the golden glow, that was used in Deus Ex: Human Revolution, is coming.

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>>52562783
Thinking about your setting and posting those pictures of Blade Runner gave me an idea. Instead of having models walking with cyberware, why not replacing human models by androids. This would surely trigger the government who's restricting research of cyberware and all kinds of religious fanatics (Humans are worshipping idols, heresy! Scientists are playing god! blablabla...). The designer gets kidnapped, scientists working on androids/replicants disappear, too. People protest as it shouldn't be illegal to manufacture robots. And then you can continue with your background story.

Just take a RealDoll, equip it with some form of robotic skeletton and a primitive A.I. and you have your first gen android.

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Android technology could get banned in religious countries (US, Middle East, North Africa, Indonesia, Malaysia...) but being perfectly legal in some others (Japan, China, South East Asia...). Of course there could be a flourishing black market.

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Lonely US wage slaves who want some company in their living cubicle order their androids through mail order. If the custom is too strict, they might order them as kits and have them assembled by some techie. The software can be downloaded online. Of course, pirated software has a high risk of being corrupted: the droid might go berserk and start killing people or it leaks confidential information to some hacker...

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This one's not from Blade Runner, but it's pretty cool, too.

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This website is pretty cool, if you want to create some cyberpunk props: http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=206196

>>52581225
You familiar with When Gravity Fails?

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>>52587661
Other anon here. Read briefly through the CP2020 WGF sourcebook. All I can say is: it's a trap!

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>>52588021

>>52587661
i am not, tell me more

>>52588654
It's a cyberpunk setting, set pretty far in the future. The action takes place in the Middle East and the sourcebook is full of lightly dressed manly-looking women who are all transsexuals.

>>52568154
>royal family
>huge popularity
Not in the future brah, most people I know want the parasites handed their eviction papers

>>52585116
>>52585205
Dance With The Dead, Perturbator, Front Line Assembly, any decent synthwave or industrial artist.
Rob Zombie is AIDS, I'm sorry you had to learn this way anon

>>52589859
it's set in 3 years time, even if this were accurate (opinion changes on a massive number of variable, not the least of which being geographic location in England), the future isn't THAT close

>>52589905
Rob Zombie is a product of its time. By today's standards he's super-kitch, but he was fairly popular during the second half of the 1990s and his music fits pretty damn well with Cyberpunk 2020 and the aesthetic it had then.

>>52590485
apex kek
He was shit in the 90s and he is shit now. Go get the Bubblegum Crisis and AD Police OSTs for some good cyberpunk music.

If you must have some 90s edge Orgy is far better

>>52589905
>Rob Zombie is AIDS
>recommends Perturbator and synthewave

kill yourself
"le sooo retro eighties xDDD" stuff is pure hipster trash and needs to die

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>>52592181
Anime was always terrible for music. That's a real troll advice.

>>52592683
I'm the Rob Zombie anon and I like synthwave, too, but not for cyberpunk.

>>52592683
But the music is actually well written at least, irrespective over if you are into the the retro thing, unlike with Rob Zombie, which is just bad.

>>52592780
>Anime was always terrible for music. That's a real troll advice.

What shitty shounen anime are you watching dude?
Akira, GitS, Cowboy Bebop, Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso, FLCL, Subete ga F ni Naru - and loads more, have brilliant soundtracks

>>52563860
the sex is sort of his jam man. It also lends intimacy, familiarity and life to what would be sterile. Not shitting on your opinion, but offering a thought on how to enjoy more.

>>52592683
Please...please take your opinion, and use stuffit to cram it up your ass. Filthy neophyte scum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StuffIt

>>52594491
Oh, no, I completely get why it's good from an art perspective, I'm just saying it's such a rare and well executed art style that I'd like to see it in a new context by another artist

>>52592780
The Japanese do better rock and roll than America can nowdays.

that's a fucking tragedy, but it's also goddamn true.

>>52585827
>>52585839
>>52585861
Bigger:
https://40.media.tumblr.com/af8ecffb861ca0dfc18482f95d168e11/tumblr_nh1qz0CGkP1svheu1o5_1280.jpg
https://imgur.com/pO6DFeL

>>52594272
>>52595057
Spoken like a true weeaboo.

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>>52598969
>"anime music is bad and irredeemable"
>"I disagree, here's some examples you might want to check out, you shouldn't dismiss a whole medium, that's senseless"
>HAHAHAHA FUCKING WEEB GO TELL IT TO YOUR FRIEND NARUTO

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http://copper-dreams.com/

>>52599085
Ryuichi Sakamoto, Joe Hisaichi, Geinoh Yamashirugumi and Kenji Kawai are great artist, but the old "superior Japanese culture" is starting to get old.

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Gonna shill this site. Aside from the imageboard dickwaving, there are some good resources here for anyone interested in cyberpunk, although some of it is out of date.

http://jinteki.industries

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>>52600480
Interesting that they chose that name

>>52588654
Yeah, basically what >>52589388 says - it's the fairly far future, America and Europe has fractured and the Middle East is where the action is. Neural interfaces with "daddies" (add-ons, like say a new language) and "moddies" (modified personalities, so you can be James Bond, or your hooker can act and talk like your favourite porn star) are not uncommon, and sex change is pretty normal - it's noted that insisting solely on purely natural partners is a slightly odd kink. The protagonist of the novels does a lot of drugs, and the area he hangs around in, the budayeen, and the people there, feel quite real - it's based on the author's experience in New Orleans.

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>>52600480
It's a shame that cyberpunkreviews closed. It was one of my favorite websites.

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A good resource website for CP2020 is the Black Hammer Cyberpunk Project: http://www.ambient.ca/cpunk/
It has tons of house rules and new gear. I especially like the hit location chart ripped from Fuzion, the drugs manufacturing system, the changed humanity system (ripped from some Ianus Pub. sourcebook), and the cyberware list.

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It also has a pretty decent mod for ranged combat ripped from Twilight 2000 and a really cool new twist on luck with the Luck Deck.

>>52562783
Fa/tg/uys, please, please save me

I'm starting a new group to play a cyberpunk game. We've got the plot and the setting, just need mechanics to go with it. There's only one other person with experience in the group, and he refused to play a system that wasn't professionally published because "it's more balanced" (which is fucking stupid and insulting) and I, the DM, refuse to play a system that has lore baked into it because I want to use /my/ lore

I have a homebrew system that I could finish off, it'd be like 15 pages, and it's simple enough that I'm confident it's balanced. But he won't touch it.

So right now we're using fucking d20modern+d20future

I was recommended a polish system named Neuroshima, but we were unable to find a translation.

Send help in any form you can.

>>52602849
You could probably use GURPS.

>>52602849
Why not just use Cyberpunk 2020? It's not perfect, but I am currently playing in a campaign that is run in it, and let me tell you it is barrels of fun with complete /lore/ freedom

So if you want to use your own ideas for a world (which is what my GM is doing, a completely new and original setting) then you should play Cyberpunk 2020

>>52602930
Can it handle fighting car sized robots? What's the hacking like?

>>52602964
The netrunning is very detailed, if you want to simulate a gibson novel, but in execution can be a bit clunky, its very well compared to a mage, because the netrunner will have a seperate list of programs and uses. If you absolutely can't use alternative sources for it, as there are many that trim it down and streamline the hacking, then just sliding in the netrunner's turn between the others in initative should work. You will need a seperate map for them to go onto the grid, but its not a lot different than having someone in a different area of your dungeon. And you can use "the menu" which doesn't need a new map, for common things like a lock or hacking a robot

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>>52602849
D20 is a pile of garbage. About any system will be better. I'd recommend Cyberpunk 2020. The robots you describe are ACPAs, so no problem with CP2020. It's such a simple system, I used it as introduction for many groups. Hacking isn't great, but let's face it, hacking sucks in about every cyberpunk game around.

>>52593085
>the music is actually well written at least
0/10 made me chuckle.

I'm not defending rob zombie or whatever, just point out that synthwave is irredeemable hipster garbage.

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Cyberpunk food right after a mission - traditional fishes made from fresh and real vegetables, meat and fish.

Cyberpunk food during a mission - something quick and tasty on the go.

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Forgot the picture.

>>52603701
>not eating soybars like usual and blowing all the mission money for guns, ammo and explosives for the next run

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Cyberpunk food while waiting for a job - kibble or nutri-soya.

>>52589905
Synthwave is 9/10 times retarded for Cyberpunk unless you're talking about Darksynth which tends to be the less upbeat and "poppy" version of synthwave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bU6JyErVt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGHeclHZOXM

Pertubator's stuff off of The Uncanny Valley and Dangerous Days is pretty good too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV0orrl-JOw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQt4ckq-dg

Generally I like to mix in some more upbeat music into my playlist to change the mood around when I play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSFyCwxsVWA
https://jaykay47.bandcamp.com/track/w1nt3rmut3

Overall I think you can mix in whatever you want for Cyberpunk music. Really up to you and what you consider ideal for what you're doing, what your character is like, etc etc blah blah.
I like to have a mix of dark synths, more upbeat electronic shit, some industrial, and metal just to have some variety.
I've also been looking for some darksynth with a healthy amount of sax thrown in for a cybernoir feel if anyone has that.

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For cyberpunk music I usually use two ambient tracks. One would be something neutral (space ambient, psybient, down tempo...), the other would be something darker (dark ambient, death ambient...). All ambient tracks must be long and I set them on repeat. Then I keep a few tracks for combat and for some memorable scenes. For this I like video game music that can be repeated without hard cut.

That feel when the only 2020 group you have outright refuses to stop playing via text

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=WL&v=V3P0w_9LtdU

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Forgot the music to go with those.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTN6cGmH2yM

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Shadowrun might not be everyone's cup of tea, but it has some cool looking gats.

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Last one.

>>52603701
>actual food
>not out of date kibble or greasy fast food
shiggydiggy

>>52607900
Waveshaper has amazing music, but Modern Technology is wayyy too upbeat 80s for cyberpunk

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>>52580646
>poison air
>poison water
>garbage bridges
>ghost cities
>sewers cough up mysterious goo
>huge demographic problems
>millennials leaving to get educated in the west and staying there
>zero fucking IP law
>insanely corrupt government
Back in the 80's, cyberpunk writers had Japan taking over, now it's China. Truly pottery.

>>52609012
Too bad Chinese culture is garbage and uninteresting.

>people reeing about how x music genre isn't cyberpunk
>not varying genre by location
What do you niggers do for your upscale residential neighbourhoods, swanky corporate offices, and dismal lifeless wastelands?

>>52610814
fucking this

not just this, but why don't people vary music by like, music taste? You think all the biker bars are going to be playing that sythwave shit? You think the clubs are going to be playing classic rock? Mix it up

>>52609060
Haha, wow.

>>52611213
What, do you disagree? The commies ruined any culture China had, and then even the commie culture died with Mao.

>>52611257
Mao was probably the worst criminal in history. Not only did he kill millions of his own people because of wrath and incompetence, he destroyed millennia of culture as well.

>>52611358
China had the potentional to maybe be interesting under the KMT, but Mao and the commies ruined that. Not even the Soviet Union managed to fuck up Russian culture that hard.

>>52611467
China is interesting though. If you think the Chinese managed to eradicate all traditional culture you don't know shit.

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>>52612297
Modern China is a shithole though. It superficially resembles a functional country, but is in reality a cyberpunk dystopia where the megacorps control the government and put dissidents in concentration camps. I guess that's pretty interesting.

>>52612297
They managed to make everything they had boring as shit. China is just a poor man's Japan, and before it was just a poor man's Soviet Union.

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>>52612370
Well, this is a cyberpunk thread, isn't it? It's a pretty Western outlook to give a damn about personal freedoms, the locals get by just fine never even mentioning those things.

>>52612370
That's pretty cyberpunk.

>>52568321
The upper part of her head looks like a sallet.

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This could being happening now in China. How's China not fucking cyberpunk?

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Last image of my nostalgia image dump.

And some more music: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mKuBv5rKNbE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BtNO0rXA2Y0

>>52592683
>>52603136
It's not hipster, the few common definitions of hipster are young, inner urban, trendy. Synthwave might be in vogue, but certainly not amongst the right people to be called "hipster".

>>52589859
The royal estates put more into the treasury than they take out as allowance.

>>52614809
The difference with China is you only get into trouble with the government if you're looking for it, usually you've gotta be famous or have a massive following for them to even care about oppressing you.

A Cyberpunk game in China would be more about convincing the revolution generations they can't dance in the middle of the streets for hours on end.

>>52615778
You better not be a Muslim or a Fallungong member, too. And if a real estate project is going through your land, better sell it for whatever price they offer you. And hope your daughter doesn't get raped by an official's son.

>>52615876
Stop reading reddit.

They banned certain beard styles in Xinjiang because violent sects and gangs would wear similar to how American gangs wear colors.

>And hope your daughter doesn't get raped by an official's son.
>official
Do you even realize how many "officials" their are in China? they recruit a hundred thousand new "officials" every year.

has anybody tried to play a AD Police setting using CP2020 cops?

>>52616698
I supposed you could. Why would you do that instead of just using the BGC RPG, though?

>>52616707
because i love the CP2020 mechanics

>>52616824
The BGC RPG's really similar to CP2020, being built on the successor system to Interlock.

>>52616698
I didn't try, but I'm pretty sure it would work perfectly. AD Police was one major source of inspiration of CP2020.

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>>52616698
Im not so much into the CP2020 world... are there rules for Cyberarmor, Mechs and so on? otherwise you may get into some truble by using a AD Police/BGC setting.

>>52616892
There's rules for power armour with various weapons and features. Don't know if that'd work?

>>52616892
There's Maximum Metal for heavy weapons, power armors and stuff like that. The Chromebooks have also full-borg conversions and ACPAs.

I'd treat basic boomers as Alpha-class full-borgs piloted by an A.I. with an INT of 4 or 5. Cybercriminals and cyberpsychos are created normally.

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AD Police agents use 12mm handguns and SMGs, as well as heavy weapons and grenades. They wear helmets and flak vests.

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The helmet is equipped with smart goggles, an air filter and a crypted radio.

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Im going to be in an Interface zero game soon and I want to play your typical neo-tokyo style biker gang member.

I need some good insults and swearing appropriate for tech-addicted scum. This will be my first real cyberpunk style game and I'm at a loss.

>>52617934

Chemcucks

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>>52617934
>Interface Zero

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I've always wanted to run a campaign of Cyberpunk 2020.
Apart for obviously reading the rule book and doing some intensive research on the world and systems, would any of you have recommendations on a complete newbie running a game of it?

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>>52584776
>>52584756
Got a link to a translated copy of the game?

>>52619295
Play it first as it is. If you absolutely want to modify something from the beginning, divide SP from SkinWeave by 2. Then, as you play, start modifying what you and your group don't like. There are tons of house rules that can be found online.

>>52603701
>Buying real food.

You're far too flashy. People are going to wonder how you got those creds.

>>52615931
Yep, and they all want their cut.

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Anyone have images of robot men?

>>52601039
>Interesting that they chose that name
The squatter that has cyber.life wants hundreds for it.

>>52614890
hipsters have an obsession with faux-retro-ness. they have a fetish for 80s culture, but in the most superficial and self-serving kind of way. they romanticize what they were too young to remember, they meticulously craft their own image by hijacking others' culture, to hide the fact that they are vapid trendhoppers with no personality.
synthwave fits the bill perfectly! its a cheap, artless and soulless imitation of what millennials image was trendy in the 80s, and it sounds like shit. there is no merit whatsoever in it. its banal commercial pastiche, like kinkade paintings.

>>52623184
I can barely see your post by the size of that chip on your shoulder

>>52623276
well yeah anon, it kind of gets to you when your whole generation is devoid of any sort of artistry or creativity and instead based around a consumer culture where everything from music to relationships are treated as commodities.

we are basically living in a cyberpunk world, but instead of rejecting or fighting against it millennials seem to be embracing it and falling perfectly in line to what their corporate overlords have planned

>>52623380
>devoid of any sort of artistry or creativity and instead based around a consumer culture where everything from music to relationships are treated as commodities.

That's the 80s. Divorce every half hour. Divorce was the fashion then.
The marketing-to-children machine was in its prime.
Style was what would sell. And if it wouldn't sell, it wouldn't get made.
Corporate takeovers was the primary way of doing business.

>>52623457
ya missed my point -- punk existed in the eighties, counterculture was still pretty strong among youth, even in the eastern bloc

nowadays even politics are commodified and worn on your "persona" like a piece of fashion. no youth really cares about the world or even understand whats going on, they just want to belong and wear the badge of whatever group, or cause, or issue that tumblr has sponsored to them.

the west is doomed.

>>52623507
> no youth really cares about the world or even understand whats going on, they just want to belong and wear the badge of whatever group, or cause, or issue that tumblr has sponsored to them.
I'm guessing you don't have many friends and have not had a genuine conversation with anyone under 20 in the last several years

>>52623380
>we are basically living in a cyberpunk world
Top memes m8

>>52623614
why would I make such a statement if I wasn't surround by early 20-somethings? I go to an american university and am surrounded by people my age who get their political opinions straight from facebook memes, people who will vehemently argue for [insert random political party or group here] without having any actual reasons or even fully understanding what they stand for. its a total joke; I mean how can you trust a generation of which almost an entire city's worth of population voted for a meme gorilla in the recent election?

>>52623662
lets see
>massive multinational corporations far overstepping their bounds and rivalling the power of world governments
>a society based off of profiting off weakness and stupidity by promoting blind consumerism to replace the human values that have disappeared
>people making millions off of manufactured "needs" which destroy your health (see: fad diets, the makeup industry, etc)
>massive income inequality
>tight security and restrictions on freedom, surveillance, etc (see: wiretaps, the recently passed bill that destroys your privacy on the internet)
>oh yeah ,the internet : massive global digital network through which everything from simple communications, to social engineering, to free arts, to illegal filesharing, to drug and weapon black markets have arisen
>the commodification and/or destruction and/or co-opting of traditional arts and crafts
>parts of the world where people use high tech cellphones and satellite data while working in diamond minds and still believing that the lighting and thunder is caused by spirits in the sky
>megacities and massive urban density (see: tokyo, mexico city, hong kong, basically any city on the coast of china in the past 20 years)
yep, everything checks out, we're just missing the "genuine youth rebellion" part. instead we have teenagers fighting for issues in countries they couldn't locate on a map because some corporation or media conglomerate told them what to think.

>>52623808
Our world is no where near as dystopic as a cyberpunk world. We skipped the third World War, we haven't had a second great depression, most nations are relatively stable, we've yet to have any nuclear terrorist attacks or brushfire wars. We don't have cyberware, advanced biotech, full VR internet, simsense equivalent, etc. The wealth inequality is no where near a cyberpunk level (See settings like 2020 having a 65% poverty rate in America), America (contrary to what you and /pol/ may think) is not a totalitarian state OR in a state of helpless anarchy.

We're not cyberpunk, my dude.

>>52623859
>third world war
>great depression
none of these things are necessary for cyberpunk, and also the bubble burst and the recession happened so its a little bit true even if not on a grand scale like the great depression.

>nuclear terrorist attacks
again grasping at straws. we have numerous terrorist attacks, including some which include chemical and biological agents.

>cyberware, advanced biotech, full VR internet, simsense equivalent, etc
our technology is high enough. we have bionic arms and augmented reality, and now we have virtual reality. the fact that we have the goddamn internet is something.
these aren't necessary to cyberpunk either, consindering some of these things weren't even a part of the original cyberpunk movement.

the wealth inequality has gotten much worse in the united states, as well as unemployment and crime. the point is: it didn't get better, it got worse. maybe not an absolute dystopia, but its pretty shitty. it might not be as bad here, but look at other countries, specifically south america. its straight out of a cyberpunk novel.

besides, the real dystopia is subtle, the end of the world never comes with nuclear weapons or crazy shit like that. its the dissolution of society and slow submission to multinational corporations. a shift in power from government and military, to $$$, big business, technology, and information (!!!).

you're really blind, my dude
we're cyberpunk in spirit and you're caught up on the little details. no prediction of the future is totally accurate, but cyberpunk's so far have been the most closely matching with reality.

>>52623935
Thanks for the memes

Cyberpunk worlds are absolute dystopias. We do not live in an absolute dystopia.

>>52623859
>>52623935
also, I didn't even mention bodily augmentation, the increasing liberality of society (sex, drugs, gender fluidity, etc)

as well as robotics and artificial intelligence, which is coming slowly, but surely.

think about the robotic sex dolls that are supposed to come out in 5 or so years.

how is that not cyberpunk as fuck? you think with all these social change that in 20 years anyone will blink an eye if you have cybernetic implants which change your dick into a plastic vagina? or ones which change your hair, eye, skin color? people already have them for disabilities; we have cybernetic implants which can help you breath, fix your heart, pretty soon help the blind see. pretty soon corporations are going to get a hold of that technology as it gets cheaper to mass produce and spread out more.

>>52623985
Christ, you sound like the most insufferable person

>>52623958
0/10

shitty reductionist of a huge and complex genre, as well as ignoring all my points. you have no argument.

also dystopia is a relative term, there are places in the world right now which absolutely ARE dystopias. and like I said, if change happens so slowly, you might not even notice it.
your kids will think in 25 years "oh, yeah corporations have always monitored our dreams in order to get information to sell to ad companies to personalize advertisements towards us. so what? its normal and harmless"

>>52623995
wow no argument plus an angry teenage insult, nice shitpost!

>>52623985
>>52624010
You sound like someone from 7+1chan's /cyber/ board who desperately wants cyberpunk to not only be relevant again, but real.

We're going towards Transhuman Space, not 2020.

>>52624016
you know I'm not the person arguing with you? I saw your post while scrolling. You genuinely sound like a person that anyone in their right mind would avoid.

>>52624021
nice argument you don't have there

>who desperately wants cyberpunk to not only be relevant again, but real.
>We're going towards Transhuman Space

oh, the irony. hilarious.

yeah totally ignore all the stuff I said which is real and happening now, your fantasies about transmogrifying into the magical (oops, I mean "technological) singularity of pure energy being spirits is totallllllyyy real

>>52624058
>He doesn't know THS' setting
Thanks

>>52624021
if you told someone 50 years ago that corporations would keep records of which library books they checked out in order to cater their advertisements towards that specific person, they'd say you were a fucking lunatic. now that happens basically any time you make a google search or look up an article on wikipedia.

>>52624108
You say that like that instantly makes our world cyberpunk.

>>52624121
just pointing out that those predictions are pretty fair to make. you really have no idea what's going to happen but an extrapolation of current trends a safe bet.

>>52624121
>still hasn't refuted my points
stop posting, its embarassing

you're doing the 4chan equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and saying "LALALALA IM RIGHT UR WRONG IM NOT GONNA LISTEN TO UR ARGUMENT LALALALA"

>>52624143
Not really. We typically predict everything to be a lot worse than it will actually be (It's an actual cognitive bias, no joke). Dystopias are more or less impossible, save for something like a second dark age from a massive strategic nuclear exchange.

>>52624156
Because you have a very poor idea of what cyberpunk is, and what a dystopia is.

>>52624185
>Because you have a very poor idea of what cyberpunk is, and what a dystopia is.
he says, making absolutely no argument to back up his claims as well as ignoring my post on why "dystopia" is relative

>>52624220
If you want to redefine what a dystopia is, stop using that word. You can't just go redefining things to suite your argument. Call it a flibbleflabble or a doopopska, because what you're talking about is not dystopia.

"an imagined place or state in which everything is unpleasant or bad." is the definition of a dystopia. That does not fit in to our world.

>>52624256
>still ignoring my argument
you might legit be retarded

cyberpunk isn't "absolute dystopia". you think the theoretical corporate overlords with billions of dollars living in their mansions or high rises live in a place where "everything is unpleasant or bad"?

and do you think that just because you personally live a comfortable life or your home hasn't changed significantly, that other places haven't become absolutely terrible to live in?

let me guess, you're the type that thinks millennials should just "man up" and get a job in the worst job market since the great depression, where almost anything valuable requires a secondary degree which puts you in enourmous debt, and even THEN the market is so oversaturated there are people with Master's degree's in STEM who can't find employment? all the while some billionaire's fuck-off son or daughter can go get a degree in gender studies or what passes nowadays for "fine arts" which pollute our education system? and you don't believe in global warming or the ocean's being deteriorated because your neighbourhood is at a comfortable temperature and your garden is doing fine.

>>52624401
You sound like an unreasonably bitter person. South America has gotten better, same with Central. Europe is... Europe. Asia has stabilized. Really, only Africa is pretty bad and that's nothing new.

>>52624424
>You sound like an unreasonably bitter person.
probably true, I'm not a doomsayer but damn at least 70% the people I meet at uni under the age of 25 are the most insufferable cunts ever and they are the one's to become the next generation of lawmakers, politicians, scientists, etc

and still you have no argument and haven't refuted the list of things i mentioned above with make our current world similar to cyberpunk predictions.

>>52624473
Every generation has said that.

>>52624473
Have you ever considered that it's not them that are the insufferable cunts, but you?

>>52624401
>even THEN the market is so oversaturated there are people with Master's degree's in STEM who can't find employment?
Those people need to - as you put it - "man up" and settle for a job that isn't their absolute favorite dream job because guess what, you should not be unemployed with an MSc. Actually, you shouldn't even be in debt with a Master's. My tuition and housing was covered plus $20k stipend and that was low end.

The world is nowhere as bad as you seem to think it is. You have let a few outliers give you a negative world-view.

>>52624473
shocking fact, people have been saying this shit about youth and humanity in general since the dawn of goddamn society.

Here's a mediafire link to all the 2020 books I have. Don't have them all, but the list is growing.

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/knmcrcowrtjwr/Cyberpunk_2020

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>>52624899
thank you for getting back on topic

>>52624489
>>52624591
yep, and a lot of the times certain aspects of modern society that we don't think twice about would be considered dystopic to people from 100, or 1000 years ago. values change. our society quite literally depends on technology, people are addicted to it, and having a modern functional life is nearly impossible without cell phones for example. people in the past have predicted this, and would be terrified of it. what they consider dystopia is normal for us, that's why I said its a relative term.

another example -- people since the 1950s, the dawn of television, have been criticising TV and mass media and making predictions that it would corrupt youth, make it too easy for third parties to influence what the population thinks by controlling the TV and media -- and guess what, its totally true. studies show how much TV programs determing voting outcomes, how much advertisements have an unconscious effect on the brain and can influence decisions, how much the cosmetics, fashion industry etc has a horrible influence on the self-esteem and image of young people, how much media contributes and generates consumerism and leads people to believe that purchasing things can fill the void left by the dissolution of tight-knit human community... studies show how cell phones and computer time are affecting the social behaviours of children (and adults). these would all be VERY dystopian things if you told them to a sociologist from the 1950s... and yet we have learned to just live with it.

>>52624943
No problem. I'm working on getting the Corpbooks from my laptop, might need a few days.

>>52624541
ah, the classic "my life went well therefore everybody else's must be good too".

plus a little dash of the bias where you think that "luck" or dare I say "privilege" have nothing to do with success, that you 100% earned your happiness while anyone else who fails MUST have been doing something wrong, or they're just stupid. I forgot the name of this bias, its a well documented psychological thing.
"no it couldn't possibly by the shitty economy that leaves so many people unemployed... they must just be stupider than me!!"

Mediafire anon here. Do you all want adventure books in my folder?

>>52625259
Do you have any of these?
CG2027:
FI2001 Generation Gap
FI2002 Mile High Dragon
FI1001 Researching Medicine

CP203X/CP3:
RT4130 C3 DataPack

Because I've got everything else.

Mediafire's shit, use MEGA.

>>52625282
Sadly, I do not. And I'll look into a MEGA collection.

>>52625282
>everything else.
Other than the Chrome Compilations, I should say. I've only got the individual Chromebooks and a file that's all four stuck together.

>>52625025
Actually, yes, that's pretty much it. I'm not smart or smooth-talking, I got a job simply through hard work.
I'm the son of poor immigrants, there's no "privilege" here. The American Dream doesn't have to be dead just because you and your pals on tumblr haven't put in the sweat and tears yet.

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So a few weeks back I posted a thread asking for systems and materials I could use to do a cyberpunk campaign in the vein of 80s anime.

I settled on using the Bubblegum Crisis books (with generic character sheets so I don't tip my hand to the players) and we have been through 2 sessions and the first "mission" that I had planned.

I could story time it if anyone is interested.

>>52625362
>Actually, yes, I'm retarded!

ok...

>>52625366
sure thing, gets us out of angst-o-matic 5000™

>>52625332
And Data Screen 2020/When the Chips are Down (the GM screen and adventure).

>>52625434
Data screen is in there. Don't have that adventure, but I have the Osiris Chip adventures.

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>>52625366
>>52625391
Okay so first the background. The TLDR is that I stole the background for Bubblegum Crisis. For those unfamiliar here is the condensed version. in the 2010s Japan gets hit with another great earthquake. Millions die in less than an hour. In the reconstruction large ziabatsus take the fore as the government fails to cope. Huge numbers of migrant workers flood Japan for work in reconstrucion and the development of advanced cybernetics to speed the work. Throw in typical dystopias, some racism, and a dash of "we am play gods." and you have our cyberpunk gumbo.

On to the party! We have 5 players.

Ben: Ex-liutenant for the Special Vehicles Police Division (the guys who fight robots in mechs) Was kicked off the force after a terrorist group used combat cyborgs in a vault robbery and the SVPD failed to stop them before they got away with a bunch of advanced tech. Ben took the blame as the commander of the on scene response and was forced into retirement. Currently moonlights as a private investigator and bodyguard

Oleg: Son of Ukrainian migrants who moved to Japan to work a reconstruction Job. Parents were killed in a construction accident sometime in the 10-teens. As a young poor orphan Oleg fell in with Tokyo's plentiful number of biker gangs. Was released from prison some 2 months before

Ichiro: The youngest member of the group at the ripe age of 17. Japnese native and otaku. Failed the physical exam for the JSDF and his bitterness over the fact has turned him into an anti-government hactivist.

Lisa: Former US Marine turned bounty hunter. Has undergone some fairly hefty cybernetic enhancements as a member of Force Recon. Is currently In Japan trying to trach down the ex-wife of a senator who kidnapped the senators son and disappeared into the Tokyo sprawl.

Linh: Owner of a small Vietnamese restaurant in the foreign quarter of Tokyo. Legitimately the the most normal member of the crew. No dark past, no need for revenge, nothing.

>>52625808
So since the players opted not to have any preexisting connections to one another so the initial meeting mission is as follows: Ellen Aim and the Attackers are playing a charity concert in the Foreign Quarter of Tokyo experienced applicants sought as venue security.

The concert is taking place across the street from "Viet-noms" which is the restaurant owned by Linh. Ben, Oleg, and Lisa all apply as security for the easy paycheck and are accepted. Ichiro fakes his credentials as a security expert and is hired as head of security.

The party first meets in person inside of "Viet-noms" as they have a sit down with Ellen's producer who explains the job to them. Ben and Lisa immediately see through Ichiro's bullshit but are brow beaten into living with it by the producer who tells them if they don't want the job they can take a hike. The party spends the afternoon setting up security in the concert hall and Ichiro rents out a room in the back of Viet-noms and sets up a headquarters to coordinate the between everyone.

The sun goes down and the music starts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yub3-Ow7tBs

And I will return with more once I make dinner.

>>52626141
sounds like a fun setup/group

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>>52626141
As the concert is in full swing Ichiro notices a large group of bikers rolling down the street through hacked traffic surveillance cameras. Ben and Oleg head for the front door after being warned and Lisa stages herself up by the stage. Linh disappears into the kitchen of the restaurant for reasons unknown. Ichiro is desperately trying to contact emergency services but they think it's a prank call and keep disconnecting the call.

As the bikers pull up to the front doors of the concert hall Oleg recognizes the leader as a guy who he used to run with before he went to prison. The exchange goes something like this

Oleg: "What are you doing here Yoshi?" (he came up with the name on the fly and I just went with it)

Yoshi: "You know me, man? I heard there was a pretty girl in town and I wanted to meet her. Maybe take her back to my place. Introduce her to the boys after."

O: "Can't let you do that, tovarish. I got hired to keep punks like you out of here. Just go home and let these people have a good time."

Y: "Yeah? And what are you gonna do if I say no?"

At this point Yoshi's head explodes as a hypersonic tungsten penetrator round cuts through his head. As it turns out our little Vietnamese noodle-girl is something of a gun nut and doesn't like biker gangs much.

A full blown fire fight breaks down in the street as the bikers pull pistols, shotguns, and rifles. Ben and Oleg dive into the archway of the concert hall for cover, Lisa is running for the door after hearing shooting, Linh is picking off bikers one at a time with an anti-material rife, and Ichiro is screaming "I don't want to die." in a corner of his command center.

As the shooting escalates, Linh switches targets to the bikes and hits one in the fuel tank. 10 gallons of liquid hydrogen explodes and the force throws nearly everyone off their feet. In the confusion some of the bikers scramble into the restaurant trying to take out Linh while she recovers from the tinnitus.

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>>52626950
Three bikers make it inside of Viet-noms. Two find Linh still trying to shake the out the cobwebs. One of the punks shoots her in the shoulder as she is trying to get behind cover. As they come around to finish her off she grabs the South African riot pistol she has staged "in case of robbery" and puts softball sized holes in the both of them.

The third biker finds Ichiro in his hiding space. Ichicro in a fit of Otaku fueled panic pulls a wakizashi from under his trench coat (because of course) and charges the guy. He manages to tackle the biker and sheer momentum drives the sword up to the hilt in the guys chest.

Ben, and Oleg have taken out a few more in the street. The bikers start to flee after Lisa uses her enhanced strength to throw an ATM so hard that it cuts two guys in half at the waist. The gangs number two (once he is out of the crossfire) shouts. "I'll be back for you bitches later"

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>>52627157
That was the end of the first session. Shall I continue?

>>52627204
Absolutely!

>>52627204
sure thing man

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>>52627276
>>52627289
Okay then.

Episode 2: No point in going to the effort of stealing a car if you don't throw it around some.

https://youtu.be/D_4r1KG6SGg

After the firefight Ellen and her band finish their set and depart (because she is a God Damn professional) Lisa uses her trauma training to patch up Linh's shoulder ad her patient is swearing in Vietnamese about how much it is going to cost to fix the bullet holes in her dining area.

Ben finds Ichiro curled up in a ball crying over the fact that he just killed someone and decides the best thing to do is to punch some manliness into him. This mysteriously works and Ichiro manages to pull himself together.

Oleg is picking over the bodies for anything good and chooses the nicest remaining bike for his own.

The police arrive several hours after the shooting ends.

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>>52627498
Ben walks out to confronts the cops. The commander of the unit starts asking questions and throwing out accusations. He makes a threat of arresting the whole group.

Ichiro gets so pissed at being called a criminal he goes full on laughing man and starts playing back all the 911 calls where the police hung up on him from everything with speakers on the block and threatens to do the same thing for the entire city. The commander realizing this is above his pay grade, promptly leaves.

Before the party can scatter Linh comes running out of the doors of her noodle shop and says she will hire the group of them to help deal with the bikers because she knows they will be back now since they got so badly embarrassed.

Ben still being something of a boy scout agrees and so does Ichiro who is in full blown hero worship at this point. Lisa and Oleg only stick around after they get paid 200,000 Yen up front.

New thread: >>52627811

>>52623184
That's horseshit. I agree with your appraisal of synthwave, but it's clear you also dislike hipsters and wish to attach the synthwave fanbase to hipsterdom simply to associate two negatives. Because synthwave is driven by an aped aesthetic without much (if any) deeper thought, this renders it inauthentic and so unattractive to most musically inclined subcultures for whom authenticity is highly regarded.

>>52563649
Art also used in the Mecurial Shadowrun adventure. Damn fine book

Roboto taking off bra gave me teenage boners

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>>52628766