EDH/Commander General

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First for nu-gods are all gonna be shit

>>52529912
>thread question

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First for why is this thing 15$?

Just a quick question; If I have reassembling skeleton in the graveyard, I activate its ability and someone decides to tormod's crypt my graveyard in response, can I activate the skeleton's ability again to avoid it getting exiled?

>>52530038
because its very rare you scua faglord

>>52530051
Sure, why not.

>>52530051
yes

>>52530051
If you have the mana yes. Also activated abilities remain on the stack and resolve regardless of the source being removed so maybe it resolves anyway but i might ve wrong since i'm not sure if his ability needs him to be a valid target in the graveyard or not

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>>52529912
What's your most underrated commander?

if Selvala Explorer and Wort Raidmother also counts

A guy in my playgroup plays counterspell tribal and it's really getting annoying. It's not oppressive or anything, it's just zero fun to play against.

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>>52530307
You know what to do.

>LGS has EDH tables divided by experience.
>Can't play in the experienced table because I get curbstomped and get my lands mass exiled because they like to target the "new guy"
>Beginners table seem fucking miserable when I'm playing with them as I win 90% of the time.

I either git gud or get lower power leveled commander

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Thinking about this for a Prossh combo deck. Thoughts?

>>52530776
What is, exactly, the combo?

>>52530038
It was before the giant player influx from a few years ago so not a lot were printed. It was also a mythic rare and in the 3rd set of the block, which generally sells less anyways. Plus, it's pretty popular in EDH.

>>52530834
I believe there's no combo at all with prossh outside of giving him haste and vigilance and beating someone for 11+ as soon as he hits the field

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How much hate does Meren seem to command? Looking to move outside my normal color combos of Blue/Black or Black/Red and try out some of the utter bullshit that Green has available to it in Commander.

>>52531284
quite a lot, but i'm fairly sure golgari will draw hate regardless

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>>52531284
bruh. hear me out. staple for that nigga.

>>52530107
You can't bring him back from the graveyard if it has been exiled. But You can activate thé ability in response

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>>52530834
>>52531283

Prossh combo is getting out Prossh consistently on turn 3-5 and him swinging for 20+ or his kobolds being 15/1's

There are a lot of variations, also, its competitive.

>>52531327
Wrath de fucking board, it cost less mana

its called damnation you fuck.

>>52531366
You're thinking of the wrong deck.

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>>52530834
Food Chain

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>this is allowed

>>52531761
>A 2/4 for 5 with a nifty effect
oh look, removal/counter bait

>>52531761
If they aren't playing Yisan I don't really care.

>>52530107
I wish that Reassembling Skeleton's ability would work in every zone, besides library and battlefield

Not quite Jank, but I want to build a powerful Breya artifact reanimator deck. I think I've nailed the basic core of the deck down but need some help with other spicy stuff.

Trying not to go into infinite combo territory if possible though.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/breyas-mud-wrestling/

Here's the current core - what do you guys think?

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>>52530624
I can only think of black and green not having good defense against landwipe. Build a cheap black mikaeus combo deck with cheap artifact ramp and recursion. No joke, I built mine for under 50 bucks. Very powerful glass cannon.

Or play the politics game. EDH with strangers can be a difficult scenario anyway you slice it.

Do you think Beast Within breaks the color pie? What's the 'official' maro answer?

>>52532034
it's same as pongify/rapid hybridization. i think they do a little bit but it shouldn't matter

>>52531986
pls help

>>52532199
Slow board, morning in the US. Give it time.

>>52531986
If you want artifact reanimation why you don't use Sharuum instead? One color less to care about, you still have black for recursion and blue for powerful artifact sinergies and your general actually does something useful for your main strategy

>>52532245
oh that's right - timezones. for some reason i always overestimate yuro population on 4chan

>>52532262
just kinda like Breya desu. i originally wanted to go infinite and abuse etb with her but my playgroup thinks all magic should be turning creatures sideways.

the ability is still useful since it's a sac outlet imo.

Besides beast within and chaos warp, what should be included in the removal package of a gruul deck? Do I have to resort to brittle effigy and friends?

>>52530036
>Thread Question
Why do all preconstructed commanders have to be at least 1 of the following
>overpowered
>annoying
>boring

>>52532304
Aftershock ain't bad, dessert twister kind of sucks but it's funny to see people react to it

>>52532304
Decimate, Ulvenwald Tracker, Song of the Dryads, and Mizzium Mortars are usually pretty decent at removing creatures.

>>52532405
Any commander could be described as being one of those.

>>52532405
>>52532495
he's right you know, what makes them any better or worse than the non-precon selection?

>>52531986
There's a lot of good stuff in the Breya precon you're missing:
>Sharuum the Hegemon
>Trash for Treasure
>Solemn Simulacrum
etc etc
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/invent-superiority-wubr-c16-precon/

Sphinx Summoner in particular is a massive overachiever. You're going to have so many blinks and recursions going on that you'll often end up using it to tutor 3 times each turn.

Some useful but far from overpowered cards:
>Conjurer's Closet
>Saheeli's artistry
>Whir of Invention

Some non-infinite win conditions:
>Filigree Angel + Aetherflux Reservoir
It's suprisingly reliable.
>Sharding Sphinx + Time Sieve
It often catches people off guard.
>Cranial Plating + Loxodon Warhammer
It's so stupid that it really shouldn't work, but a lot of players miss the attach ability of Cranial Plating. I've won games by attaching it to a single unblocked copter.

Some spicy hipster tech:
>Cauldron Dance
It's nice because you've got so many ETB effects.

>>52532273
/tg/ /- better answers than reddit, slow for notburgers

>>52532304
Artifact Mutation can be pretty spicy in a token deck

>>52532511
It all depends on the power level of the set they came out with, some of tge older sets shitted out very powerful legendaries, nowdays the powerlevel is pretty low and some of the really fucking ancient legendaries were shit as well

What do you use as separators in your card boxes? I'm considering custom printing basic lands with an added bar at the top that reads something like "Blue - Sorcery - Modern", shit like that, but there has to be a less time-consuming or expensive way to do that.

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>>52532627
>tfw Artifact Mutation on someone's Darksteel Forge while having Aura Shards on the field and exiling Forge instant speed in response to the Shards triggers

>>52530427
>he counters it

>>52532887
I use plastic ones that came with Time Spiral giftbox with a picture of a Serra Avenger. I use them only couple, because I know the whereabouts of each card I care about I have in boxes.

>>52529912
>What's your most underrated commander?
I feel like Sultai Sidisi is often overlooked. I mean, it's not like there are a ton of BUG commanders. Tasigur goes off with infinite mana, which is admittedly good, but if you have infinite mana winning is typically a formality, and I appreciate that Sidisi will generate more resource for typically less work in the meantime. Is Tasigur better? Probably, but I do think Brood Tyrant is underrated.

Depala is crap but I appreciate that she's a Boros commander with a better decision tree than "10 Attack; 20 Untap; 30 Goto 10". If we see more dwarves in the future, actual good ones with ETB effects we want to hit that can legitimately replace spells, she'll get better. But MaRo really doesn't like dwarves so it might be a long wait.

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>>52530307
Make a GW hatebears deck and focus him every game. Even when he begins to whine, continue to stomp him.

>Gaddock Teeg
>Voice of Resurgence
>Herald of Gaea
>Dosan the Falling Leaf
>Carpet of Flowers
>Choke
>Cavern of Souls
>Boseiju, Who Shelters All

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trying to come with some super janky deck to build around this. all i have at the moment is maybe jeleva with that artifact that returns cards from exile

>>52533383
UB, basically do the Sidisi Ad Naus game except you have way more tutoring and support and strip everything you don't need out of your deck with Selective before you Ad Naus rather than having ~85 Swams.

EDH is the only format worth playing.

How do other people not see this as the legitimate fact that it is?

>>52530307
play Cat Snek

>>52533521
Different folks, different tastes.

>>52532405
Difference between annoying and boring?

>>52533521
False, Pauper can be tons of fun too

>>52531761
Prophet of Kruphix was too much. Seedborn Muse is not.

I play in a very casual meta, up to the point where until a few months ago I won every game with black white skeleton tribal, and now that they beat that, I can mush them flat with Nath elves pretty quick. I want to build new and fun decks, but I want it to be near their power level. Oh, and they are getting tired of seeing me play black in every deck, so maybe something without black in it. With respect for their small feelings and for everyones time, anything that turns into solitare or runs infinite is also probably not on the table. Is there any fun to be had left in this world, /tg/? I built a doran treefolk deck already but the boredom of "play card, turn sideways" made me retire it after 6 games.

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>>52533930
Pic related?

>>52533521
EDH is the only format worth playing as long as Spikes think it's a casual format for babies. Unfortunately, as soon as the wizards sanctioned 1v1 commander gets underway, wave after wave of sperglord will kill anything worth playing in the first place. Soon we will become legacy lite: modern general 2 and no one will ever have fun again.

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>>52529912
>What's your most underrated commander?
Well at the moment I am between decks, but I would have to say my Hope of Ghirapur deck I used to have. People knew it was artifact combo but forgot about my ability to lock someone out of the game of noncreatures and to generate a metric fuckton of energy.

Also
>Postem

Is there a way to buy like... Fake cards? I only play casually and would love to get a cheap Wheel of Fortune or Damnation, do you guys know of a way to buy cards that look and feel like the real thing?

I'd tell my friends that they weren't the real cards, they won't care.

>>52534185
For certain cards I recommend collectors edition versions of the cards. If not possible then sharpie on some lands bro.

>>52534185
Your friends will care, because you're indirectly forcing them to also buy fakes of expensive cards which will increase the power level to stupid degrees until the game isn't fun anymore.

Expensive cards are expensive because they're broken.

>>52534215
Is Damnation broken? Really?

I don't run overpowered shit, expensive or not. If anything I usually have the weakest decks in my group because A) I'm cheap and B) I feel guilty using shit like Sheoldred.

>>52534062
If wizards shits out a decent ban list where tutors and fast mana are banned it can actually turn out as a decent format desu

>>52534185
Do some reasearch, watch some videos of fake cards, use google, you can do it yourself anon.

>>52534263
What does reasearch mean

>>52534289
Whatever you want, as long as you believe in it strong enough

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>>52533521
>EDH is the only format worth playing casually.
Ftfy

I enjoy playing competitively, but Modern or Legacy are not as good for casual fun times. A correlary to this is that EDH is only good as a casual format. "Competitive" EDH is cancer.

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Rate him

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>>52534386

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>>52534386
Could be neat? Seems like a bad commander though.

>>52534239
It's not broken, but it's still incredibly strong. Every black deck that doesn't have white in it would run it if it weren't expensive, since board wipes in black either cost 6+, are conditional or have a major downside.

Buying fakes is just a slippery slope for every deck to get shocks, then fetches, then ABUR duals, then Gaea's Cradle, Mishra's Workshop, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale etc.

>>52534435
Well, none of that is my plan and I know my group would not care if my goofy Wrexial cipher deck had a Damnation in it.

I'm also making a deck that is literally based around copying wheel effects, it's a mill deck, and I'm not about to drop $50 on a wheel of fortune despite the deck literally being built around it. So it'd sure be great if I could use a fake one. Those literally are the only two cards I'm looking at. Damnation is fine, I'll just use Languish and Black Sun's Zenith and Deadly Tempest, so it's fine. Wheel also has substitutes but I'd prefer to have an actual wheel of fortune because it's the purpose of the deck.

I think maybe you think too lowly of people, most human beings are the despicable disgusting trash that you're describing.

>>52534386
Looks fun, can you produced infect tokens in UW? Or just give him infect or other combat relevant abilities.

>>52534386
I was more hoping for an embalm lord ala sedris. I really hope this isn't supposed to be him.

>>52534333
>>52532627
>>52532424
>>52532407
Thanks guys, these were really helpful.

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>>52534532
Well, there's always this

>>52534736
And Seance but you would need a haste outlet for it.

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This seems much more like commander material then the red god


Flying.
Indestructible.
Can attack/block if 7+ cards in hand.
1 ManaBlue Mana: Draw a card & return a land to hand

>>52534823
>1mana blue mana
(3)(U)

>>52534823

3U: Draw a card and you may return a land to hand*

>>52534823
Finally some new tech for my Patron of the Moon deck.

>>52534823
Can't wait for dickheads to pretend this is an interesting deck to have/play.

>Oh no way, you play Venser's Journal? Woah. Unique play.

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>>52534736
>4UU+creature cost
Ugh

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>>52534965
yeah but the difference is his card actually has synergy with the commander, you utter fucking breadbin

>>52534965
That's not a token though, the new UW guy only buffs tokens

>>52534823
correction for everyone.

There is a may clause.


(3)(U) return a land you control to its owners hand, you may draw a card.

>>52535144
It's the other way around.

Draw a card, you may return a land you control to your hand.

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>>52531327
What does this do, make Meren the biggest chump blocker in the deck? A 5/6 deathtoucher? Why not run G-Titan?

>>52534823
I dont know if I should be sad these aren't more exciting and aimed for edh players, or glad that they are simple and crappy, and aren't more aimed for edh players (wizards obviously has little idea on what they're doing, looking at you oloro and derevi)

>>52535694
I was honestly hoping for more EDH playable stuff.

Many of the Thero's gods are great in the 99, while a lot of them are also great commanders. I dont want to use either of amonkhets spoiled gods.

>>52534823
Welp, glacial chasm is an auto include

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I like cat

>>52535887
So embalm is basically Flashback for creatures?

I would kill for a legendary baloth

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>>52536155
pretty much, seems more convenient than how it was done the first time around

>>525361557
Anón, they are tokens too

>>52536155
It seems better than that honestly, assuming more effects that care about zombies and/or tokens are forthcoming.

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>>52534823
>mfw 'trade routes' God isn't in green

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Hobocaster Mage.

>>52536234
Trade Routes and Moonfolk themselves aren't green what were you expecting?

>>52535887
I hope there will bigger creature to embalm for my trostani

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>>52536276
>common
As if blue didn't already have enough good cards in Pauper

>>52536436
That ain't good for Pauper tho', too slow.

>>52536276
I'm torn on this. On the one hand, it obviously doesn't hold a candle to snappy. On the other hand, it looks like it would do a surprisingly decent impression for being a common since you can cast it on curve and sit on the ability until you want THAT spell back.

>>52536558
It dies to shock. It is good, but he gets removed by anything

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>>52534386
>read him
>alright, if Baral Polymorph is a competitive Duel deck why not him
>think up a couple ways of getting Blightsteel into play
>backup plan of Inkmoth
>read through the thread
>creature tokens
Who the fuck thought that was okay?

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Eye commander WHEN?

>>52536757
We have one!

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>>52536757
>>52536775

>>52536600
I'm surprisingly alright with that. If removal happens after I untap I can fish back a suboptimal spell since 1 open isn't terrible. If it happens before, removal got blown on a grey ogre which while not as ideal as fishing back Cryptic or what have you isn't terrible for me. I guess it loses to being collateral damage for a wrath the turn it comes out but I feel like "Dies to removal" isn't as strong an argument here as it is against some other creatures. I think the wait might make it problematically dead lategame, though, so maybe I only want this in a deck that's already fishing for thousand-year elixir or what have you.

>>52533984
It seems like it would be interesting. Getting through the deck and finding all the fun stuff would be villain worthy. I have to be the devil for these nooblets, so that might be a cool way to do it.

>>52536757
I would laugh out loud if they made Orms-by-Gore a legendary creature with eye synergies. But I think that's supposed to be a place.

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So... How do you evolve a selesnya commander into an abzan commander?

>>52536890
Add tutors, Urborg and Necropotence usually.

>>52533984
>>52536871

Hear me out. Run ALL THE FAST MANA, a gazillion cheap cantrips/draw, Selective Memory, Mana Severance, and Lab Man. It won;t go infinite (usually) but you'll be making a lot of big, stupid multi-wheel turns as you dig for the combo.

Also, run Tunnel Vision for the lulz.

>>52534823
I quickly threw a deck together just now, but it doesn't seem very strong or interesting. Guess I'm going to stick to Kydele and Thrasios for my "wisdom" commanders. Kind of a shame because I really like birb god's art.

>>52537071
Well he can go in the 99 anyway

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>>52536927
Tunnel Vision + Lab Maniac

Have you ever tried to explain to someone who is new to EDH that it isn't about running infinite combos and land destruction, only to have them get extremely defensive and start going on about how you should just be glad that they aren't running their super competitive modern deck, which specifically confirms what you said in the first place?

Tl/dr: Why are modern players the most sociopathic cunts in the world of Magic?

>>52537155
That deck wins with infinite combos, so you don't really need a 5/5 indestructible beater. There's also no need for another card draw mana sink besides Thrasios in the command zone.

I guess he's okay in other decks, I just have no real use for him.

>>52536927
>>52537198
Is there any makes other people draw cards when you do it? A sort of Grave Pact but for drawing. You could go the mill route if there is one.

Am I the only one who thinks that 4 color legends and "Partners" did not need to be made and only makes things convoluted?

>>52537428
I like the partners because they give you so much options to choose from.

>>52537222
>Have you ever tried to explain to someone who is new to EDH that it isn't about running infinite combos and land destruction

Says literally who? This sounds like you imposing your view of the format on someone and them telling you to fuck off.

You come off as the cunt here.

>>52537428
They were a year late designing over half of a supplemental product for an entirely different format, which died before they even released it.

Partners would've shook Tiny Leaders up a bunch, had it not been a an awful format only pushed by vendors who were trying to sell old rares.

>>52535718
it's actually pretty incredible that the gods they've made so far have turned out as good as they did. well, at least some of them. xenagos, erebos, purphoros, ephara, karametra, kruphix are all really fun in EDH and offer an unique "a commander but more like a omnipresent support guy"

>>52537222
EDH isn't about.

Infinite combos and MLD are fair game, and trying to tell the new EDHer to avoid them (particularly infinities, which actually conclude games where there's 200 life on the board to start) is the cunt move.

>>52537528
>>52537588
>Spotted the former Modern players.

>>52537556
Athreos is one of my favorite things, and I had hoped for more awesome blanket effect commanders to rule over everything and support a playstyle. Looks like I wont be getting it though.

>>52532304
Krosan grip, wheels will be your thoughtseizes.

>>52536234
Blue has land interaction and generates mana, kill yourself.

>>52537588
I can understand why people don't like infinite combos. EDH is, for the most part, a casual format. (Fast) combo invalidates many "janky" strategies that people come to EDH for.

I think its all about balance. It's fine to play combo as long as the table can reasonably handle it. While someone winning the game out of nowhere can be frustrating, three-hour durdlefests that mostly consist of board stalls aren't very exciting either.

>>52530038
>Rare printing
>Enemy color cards usually go for more
>Lots of serious combos like Jarad
>Multiplayer graveyards make it huge

>>52537608
Alright then babby, tell me why MLD is so offensive.

I'm sure this will be hilarious.

Anyone else feel like there haven't been any legitimately interesting legends made in like... 1-2 years? Honestly the last time I saw a new legend and thought about making a deck around it was Khans of Tarkir.

Just feels like almost everything is uninspired these days.

>>52537804
>EDH
>MLD
Pick one.

Let's guess what the God Do!

Green: Can't attack or block unless you have the highest power, can pump

Black: Can't attack or block if they have more cards in hand then you, and can make your opponents discard.

White: can't attack or block unless you have the most creatures, and can create tokens.

>>52537825
Y

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What you guys thinking? You can snipe a weaker creature to have a bigger-then-cost beater, or have a mana-dork

>>52537428
Should have been shit like
White Dude
XW
Legendary Creature-Whatever
BR: Do battle thing
U/W: Draw card
k/n

Green Brah
XG
R/G: Blah
UB: Stuff

>>52537826
Green: Can't attack or block unless total power of creatures is 8 or greater (formidable), pumps

Black: Can't attack or block unless there are five or more creatures in your grave, discard for lifedrain

White: Can't attack or block unless you control three or more other creatures, makes a token

>>52537854
I think the real strength here is that you can get both.
Will be standard playable if there is something worth ramping up to.

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>>52537854
This is even better and the killer croc 5/4 with haste for 3G is good too. They are bonkers with embalm cat i think GW aggro with cheap W embalm creatures will be a serious thing.

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>>52537983
Also GR or splashing red for this might be a thing too

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>>52537983
What about BG Bugs?

>>52537806
Besides most of C16, most of CN2, most of C15, Rashmi, Gitrog, Tazri, Zada and Omnath?

Come on anon, don't be so jaded.

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>>52537983
Also kitty monument is something to consider as it gives something to put counters on as creatures enter the battlefield

>>52537825
>This bad

>>52538138
>This stuck in Modern still

You want to play a man's format? Don't play it like a little kid.

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>>52538124
on the subject, let's talk about this cycle

>>52537745
Yeah I guess if somebody's aiming for cEDH Turn 4 or sooner combo kill that can be a bit of a buzzkill since cEDH is cancer. But if you're going to cry when I don't just beat down 40 life from each opponent with my craw wurm in fair combat I don't respect that. But there's a big honking difference between Prossh/Tazri Food Chain on 3 and the combo deck that MAYBE hits Niv/Curiosity/Lab Man on 7.

>>52538198
They can be useful in creature heavy decks as they act as a mana rock and they give a neat effect, could be abusable with a deadeye navigator+palinchron combo.

>>52537806
I don't know anon, if anything they have explored way more design space than they have in the past. Something like gonti alone is interesting, though I did not like what they pumped out in aether revolt. We already have a new token commander for UW that is exploring new space as well.

You say that shits gone down hill, but other than a UR artifact commander what else do we really need?

>>52538254
it's a cast trigger, but I guess it could work with these two specifically

>>52538175
>MLD is modern

Armageddon doesn't even exist in "Standard mouth breathers thinking they're Legacy".

Grow up and deal with the fact that your sacred cows will be turned into McDonalds.

>>52538175
Alright then babby, tell me why MLD is so offensive.

I'm sure this will be hilarious.

>>52538298
Sorry i meant cloudstone curio+palinchron, anyway you got the idea

>>52538298
With those two in specific, thanks to the bounce clause, Bontu's is an insta-win and Hazoret's will find you whatever the fuck you want to actually finish (Lab Man, Exsanguinate, whatever floats your boat to win with infinite mana)

>>52538198
Only the white one is any good in this format. It's probably the best one period.

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What do you use for tokens, edhg?

>>52538088
Literally none of those look interesting or original. Everything is either bland or a rehashed version of something that already existed, and that thing probably did it better.

>>52538388
Gitrog is the first BG commander to care about cards going into the graveyard from anywhere

what's the best consistent draw for green or white? so far i've found lifecrafter's bestiary and the enchantment that draws when creatures etb

>>52538399
He's also one of the few legends that supports "lands.dec"

>>52538429
Harmonize always draw you 3 cards. Wouldn't play it, but sometime you need that in green.

>>52538388
Calling you out here. Not including every other general he mentioned, tell me how there is a better version of gitrog or how he is not unique. He literally opened up a new archetype.

>>52538429
That depends on your deck. Sram and Puresteel can do well. Green mostly goes in for big draws instead but has Primordial Sage/Soul of the Harvest and Recycle to consider. If you're in both and don't mind doing a little hugging you can use Selvala to draw a card and ramp you.

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Great. Now I have to figure out what to take out.

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>>52538429

harmonize is literally draw 3, better than blue draw spells

>>52538248
Agreed. Stuff like Deadeye/Peregrine Drake or Rings/Basalt Monolith can be annoying but those are combos that even a non-competitive group should be able to handle (and be prepared for).

As long as you don't overdo is, combo is as legitimate as any other strategy. It prevents players from durdling around too much and playing to greedily, which is good in my book. Also, not every deck wants to or can with with beatdown. Kydele/Thrasios is a case in point: It's just so much flavorful to have that deck win through combos (attainment of endless knowledge etc.), beating down with big sphinxes would just be boring.

>>52538467
>better than blue draw spells
It literally IS a blue draw spell, Concentrate, with a fresh coat of paint. The only reason it's interesting is that Green didn't typically get unconditional draw.

>>52538378
I use the ones sold by 5colorcombo because they look nice.

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willing to bet that not a single god from amonkhet will be interesting or viable as a commander

they're so ungodly compared to their theros cousins

>>52538399
What are they though

All those commanders you listed

What are they?

They're all legitimately nothing more than "Whenever you do something, something good happens" or "Tap to do something good".

What the fuck? How has everything become so vanilla and bland? What happened to shit that was interesting? What ever happened to interesting interactions between a legend and the deck? These legends are all basically just goodstuff.dec fodder, and I fucking hate it. None of it has any use in a casual group that tries to make interesting, original decks. It's like they just stopped giving a fuck and just started puking out legends that just do whatever the colors they're in already do.

I mean, I get that a lot of legends over time are similar, I get that you'll always have stuff that just does the generic shit well, but there was a time when for every 5 of those legends you'd get 1 that sparked some interesting new thought in your mind to take it some place that it hadn't been taken before. You can make 10 completely different decks out of certain older commanders, but lately it just seems like EVERY SINGLE LEGEND will ALWAYS be THE SAME EXACT DECK no matter how you go about it.

>>52538378
Official tokens if I've got 'em. Followed by card-like objects (Facedown basic from elsewhere, empty sleeve, index card) with dice on them, followed by bare dice (hard to show tapped-ness). I've considered getting some swag tokens for things I'm liable to produce a shitton of though.

>>52538526
The white one is likely Vigilance, needs two other creatures to attack or block, some mana make a token.

Which would be fairly playable.

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>>52538531
i miss the good ol' days when legendary creatures were SPECIAL

>>52538453
>A black green legend with deathtouch and the desire to put your shit in your graveyard.

Yeah, definitely hasn't been done before! I mean, I get that before it was creatures and now it's lands, but let's be honest it's the same strategy just with a different card type.

>>52538531
right? Fucking legendaries with their abilities. Why can't I have one that just say ''Creatures can't attack"? Or hell, downsides! ''Whenever a creature enters the battlefield, the player right of you slaps you across the mouth with his cock". Now that's some fucking design

>>52538378
I order appropriate official tokens for every card. If it's an older card without an official token, I ust use the back (ad) side of any token I have.

If there's anything I absolutely can't stand, it's custom tokens with anime girls.

>>52538596

Commanders should really only be limited to cards from Legends.

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so why does no one play this in like, purfuros, zada, krenko

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>>52538531
>These legends are all basically just goodstuff.dec fodder, and I fucking hate it
>What ever happened to interesting interactions between a legend and the deck
Tazri, Zada, Gitrog and Omnath are all combo decks. As is Thrasios/X, Leovold, Selvala, and Newzuri from the supplemental products.

Do you even know what any of these cards do? How long have you been playing Magic by the way, because legends have been shit for about 99% of Magic' history.

>>52538628
it's pretty sweet in 1v1, but in a big multiplayer game, you're tapping out to kill someone and someone else is likely going to kill you before you get to untap

>>52538628
I play it in Purphoros because I tried to make the fastest, best deck I could with $50 to abuse my LGS's point system.

>>52538672
my lgs awards points every time you save someone from dying, so i made a deck that was all fogs and no win conditions. i got the most points for two weeks in a row before they changed that rule because my deck wasn't fun to have in the game.

>>52538728
Luckily mine isn't that retarded, it's just that you could play any amount of games within the three hours allotted and 20 minutes with Pappa Purph added up fast.

>>52538628
With zada you need untapped creatures to attack and kill the whole table with 20+ 10/10 goblins

>>52538531
>unless a commander literally creates new rules as it's played, it's bland

Name literally ONE (1) commander that can't be reduced to either "goodstuff.dec", "Whenever you do something, something good happens" or "Tap to do something good"

>>52538828
Isamaru

>>52538850
top keke mayte

>>52538877
Please don't reply to me ever again.

>>52538562
nah, probably something more embalm-specific

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>>52538915
>all your creatures have embalm, the cost of embalm is equal to their mana cost

>>52538904
That's the fun thing about anonymity

You'll never know

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>looks insane
*Disenchant*

>>52538945
that would be pretty neat if it wasn't mono goddamn white

>>52537825
I pick both. Combos and MLD are part of EDH, even though you don't like them.

EDH isn't "cards I like"- the format nor should it be and the banlist, although inconsistent, isn't entirely "cards I don't like". People with feelbads shouldn't even play any format of MtG.

Just because you want to play battlecruiser magic with no interaction, doesn't mean everyone should play that way and each new player should be encouraged to play whatever they want to play, even though they always go for mill or chaos for some reason.

>>52538959
I can never run this card. its such a "good" target for no fucking reason.


>>52538973
embalm will be in every color except black (mostly white though)
I am hoping for a sedris knock off with embalm

>>52538973
Would still be better and more fun than any of the monoW commanders we have now

>>52538983
i know man, i'm talking about the gods here. the other legendary creatures in the set can be whatever they want, but the gods are so underwhelming it hurts

>>52538983
its a good target because
>remove all land
>get land every turn
>never get a shitty land draw late game

its not Insane power
its Insane value

>>52538915
We already have an embalm legendary, and when was the last time Wizards printed a Standard rare that globally handed out keywords?

>>52539027
i never said it would. i was expecting an embalm enabler, like something that fishes creatures back from exile pull from eternity style

>>52538828
Honestly, I think I'll make the point with a shining example of an obvious goodstuff.dec commander that can be used in ways that go way beyond that bullshit.

Talrand. What do you think of when you think of Talrand? Counterspells? Annoying control deck?

My Talrand deck has 0 counterspells in it. My Talrand deck is focused around unblockable creatures and cipher spells, mixed with things that "cast copies" like Isochron Scepter and Spellbinder. A couple of bounce spells to save the day should I need them, but other than that it's all about getting tons of drakes through free "casted" copies of spells.

Now, I'm not saying this is the most unique thing ever, but it's not the generic, typical Talrand deck, and I think that if you can look past the fact that it's Talrand and look at the actual deck itself, you'll see that it's a pretty interesting deck.

I actually recently changed the deck to be blue/black with Wrexial at the lead, so that I could get those few extra cipher spells and it still works very similarly, with Wrexial simply casting free spells into things like Metallurgic summoning and Talrand.

But back to the point here; Most new commanders are designed so simply, that it's basically worthless to even try to think of doing something other than their clear and obvious purpose. Like Baral, people compare Baral and Talrand a lot right? But Talrand can be used in the way I described above, and a few other ways too, Baral? He has ONE purpose, just one, and you can't really do anything else with him.

>>52539023
and then someone on the next turn plays their sanguine blood combo, and ends the game.

but hey atleast you got rid of them playing a land every single turn.

>>52538982
>No interaction
>Plays MLD and Combos

Lmao, you have no idea what interaction means.

>>52539057
boooo get off the stage

>>52539057
When I see Talrand I think "spellslinger with focus on cast triggers" and that's exactly what you did

Quite literally "Whenever you do something, something good happens" you massive cuntwaffle

>>52539065
people dont expect someone to combo if they dont show them
what people do expect is if they get rid of that, they stop you from playing land at all.

stop being salty and stop telegraphing your plays so much

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>>52538803
If only they let me do this. Wraths every second-third turn (minimum) in my playgroup because everyone is terrified of bursty decks and huge boardstates. Mea Culpa Mfw I get focused every game by 3 players cause my deck has a single 15 mana (min) combo.

>>52538198
>1/1 with vigilance
>freezing a creature
>1 life drain
>pump 2 trample
>red looting
These things are all appearently equal

>>52539098
that's why you shouldn't get ALL lands in your decks with it, only like 10 max

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>>52539027
Quite literally the last set

>>52539126
Tfw newzuri deck wouldn't benefit from the cost reduction on the white monument.

so what deck is best for coin flip tribal?

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>>52538378
Official ones mostly, but I also use custom ones if they look nice. I also use Kobolds of Kher Keep as the token for Kobolds of Kher Keep. I actually like the art as well, as hideous as it is.

>>52533383
which artifact is that?

>>52539097
I've played against a lot of Talrand decks and I've never seen a single one that did what mine does so either you live in an area that is full of really interesting deckbuilders or you're completely full of shit.

>>52538493
And it still doesn't. Same way with Damnation and Serra Sphinx, they were exact card copies from a different existing card besides being in different colour and different name.

>>52539157
maelstrom wanderer :^)

>>52539199
Stop trying to convince yourself that you're a special snowflake, you hack

so what deck is best for coin flip tribal?

>>52539259
Stop trying to convince yourself that I'm wrong.

>>52539285
autism at its finest

>>52539161
you use that because the token was only printed as a promo for a toy maker in japan and you can never find them

>>52539285
You sure got me there, champ

>>52538945
Anon, not only is that already a card, it's already been posted in this thread.

Back from the Brink

Nobody was excited for that card when it came out either, and it gave reanimation to a color that gets nearly none. Even red has feldon. Turns out when people reanimate they either don't want to pay full price or they want the ability to loop shit over and over, and anything else kills hype.

>>52539073
You wouldn't believe it, but most efficient combo decks do interact with opponents and boardstate, oh boy!
You seem to have ODd on Splinter Twin modern, go play Blackjack, that doesn't have combos or MLD

>>52539300
What?

>>52538628
My friend actually did use this in his Krenko deck and would have killed me with it last week, but I happened to have Imp's Mischief and redirected it back at him.

>>52539141
I meant to include Legendary somewhere in there but oh well.

Regardless we've missed out on a lot of keywords that could've been in that form.

>>52539054
I think you're insane but we'll see tomorrow.

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Do you count stuff like Back to Basics as "MLD"?

Are there any special mulligan rules for EDH or do you just draw hands until you get your magical christmasland hand?

I was playing my Teysa deck at my LGS last week and I Enlightened Tutored for Darkest Hour to set up an infinite. Everyone saw it coming, and the next turn I dropped my combo pieces. No one had an answer. The local judge who organizes these events was playing to my left. He untaps, tells the table to ignore me, and continues the game as if I wasn't there.

Shit like that makes me want to give up on paper magic entirely and start playing mtgo instead,

>>52539460
It follows normal Mulligan rules, except you get one freebie if you are playing multiplayer.

This is in the comprehensive rules, there haven't been special mull rules for years.

>>52539377
the token of "Kobolds of Kher Keep" is almost impossible to get a hold of, you arnt special for using the original "Kobolds of Kher Keep" everyone does that.

because the "Kobolds of Kher Keep" token was only printed as a promo for a toy maker in japan after the set came out, and there is no wear to buy it

t.prosh

>>52538198
can I use the 1/1 vigilance generator in a nonwhite deck?

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>>52539454
nope
it has to be all 3
mass
land
destruction

same reason why price of glory isnt.
its not mass

>>52539501
yes

>>52539501
Yes but you're not getting that sweet discount on white creatures

What are some cards that screw over flicker/blink based decks? I'm getting sick of them lately and my Torpor Orb feels lonely (I don't play white, so no Hushwing Gryff for me).

>>52539542
Containment Priest

>>52539524
nice I'm gonna shove it right in newzuri

>>52539542
>>52539557
sorry, didn't read the last bit and replied too early

>>52539557
White only unfortunately

>>52539464
I'm confused, teysa combo doesn't even win you the game. Do they also close their eyes if someone plays attrition?

>>52539594
i had a blasting station

>>52539542
Aether Flash, Tainted Aether.

>>52539594
darkest hour and teysa alone doesn't do anything, you need a sac outlet as well

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>>52539464
What the fuck?

Did you object?

>>52539641
I mean, yeah. I wanted to play another game, but they wanted to "finish this one first". I ended up just leaving because there were two pillow fort decks and it probably would've been another hour.

>>52539464
>event
If this is an event, they have to set up rules ahead of time.
If he didn't, go complain to them. If they ignore you, complain that your LGS is breaking event rules and watch your LGS shit its pants in fear of losing WotC support and inevitably go bankrupt.

>>52539073
What do you think it means friend? Because to me interaction is something that interacts with an opponents board, like shocking a creature, or blowing up all their land.

Mass land destruction by definition is you interacting with the opponent, and it's the best way to fight shit tons of green ramp and gives aggro decks a chance.

>>52539464
>start playing mtgo instead
Why would you torture yourself in such manner?

>>52539701
Mass land destruction is the OPPOSITE of interaction. It KILLS interaction. It STOPS interaction.

>>52539694
i use "event" loosely. it's like a casual weekly EDH meetup.

>>52539724
>Stax is the OPPOSITE of interaction. It KILLS interaction. It STOPS interaction.

>Combo is the OPPOSITE of interaction. It KILLS interaction. It STOPS interaction.

>Pillowfort is the OPPOSITE of interaction. It KILLS interaction. It STOPS interaction.

>Winning the game is the OPPOSITE of interaction. It KILLS interaction. It STOPS interaction.

>guy at my LGS plays Karametra
>it ramps like fucking crazy
>tutors for whitemane every time
>can easily end up with +30 lands in play turn 6-7
>loses shit if you destroy his lands
>MLD is banned because it's "unfun"
>just have to sit there and watch him inevitably win due to growing exponentially every turn and deals are not allowed
>eventually goes T&N into Avenger + Craterhoof or Kamahl + Elesh Norn

>>52539724
Lol, do you also think that wrath of God isn't interaction?

>>52539751
>Excuses are the OPPOSITE of debating. It KILLS debates. It STOPS debates.

I want to make a RW go wide human deck. What are some good cards to make it work?

>>52539621
Anything in green/blue (or artifacts)?

>>52539774
No, because you still have lands to INTERACT. Tell me, when your brain comes up with a response, do you take the time to ask yourself if you can come up with a valid counter point or do you just puke it out immediately?

>>52539724
>Stopping your opponent from doing anything is anti-interaction
w e w
e
w

>>52539795
Faerie Artisans doesn't stop blink/etb, but severely discourages it.

>>52539464
it was a dick move on their part. but your story seems to be missing parts. Combo decks also tend to be unfun for everyone present, ending with a "...oh. ok...".

>>52539820
>Keeping your opponent from interacting is anti-interaction

This is what you just said, were you being sarcastic or what?

>>52539829
How did I miss this card, sweet!

>>52539464
>I was being a piece of shit and then the guy to my left agreed that I'm a piece of shit and they all decided to continue playing without me, because I'm a piece of shit.

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>>52539806
>No, because you still have lands to INTERACT.
Are you telling me right now that all interaction in the game requires lands?

>>52539764
If killing his lands is the only way you can beat him then you probably suck at magic desu

>>52539904
Are you telling me right now that the vast majority doesn't?

I mean, do you only run permanents that have activated abilities that don't require mana? Is that your deck?

>>52539881
hey man, it's not my fault no one else built their decks properly. any of the other four players could have had artifact/enchantment removal, counterspells, kill spells for teysa, or any number ways to interact with my board.

>>52539846
i think this judge in particular is just a dick. most weeks he likes to sit at the kiddie table where the middle schoolers gather and trounce them with ridiculously overtuned $10k timmy decks over and over.

>>52539881
>Everyone saw it coming
>Nobody did anything because all they wanted to do is durdle
>the combo player is a piece of shit

Why is this allowed

LGS's should just implement a maximum number of infinite combo triggers per turn, like 10 triggers per turn

>>52539921
>If killing his creatures is the only way you can beat him you probably suck at magic desu

Nothing makes lands more special than any other card type. You just get butthurt when people blow them up because it's not a strategy you prepare for since you wear your autism like a shield, attempting to screech down anyone that plays in a way that you don't like.

>>52539951
>artifact/enchantment removal
Except Teysa combo happens at instant speed. MTG needs more effects like Krosan Grip desu, a 1-of isn't enough for most EDH decks.

>>52539961
You should go play modern if you consider playing a normal, fun game of magic "durdling".

Tell me how much you love Call of Duty also, while you're at it. Clearly a fan of mindless, thoughtless games.

>>52539977
What about finite yet degenerate combos? My Sachi deck can make all of my shamans tap well over 10 times per turn, but it's still technically finite.

>>52539944
I run mana rocks and dorks, and most of my removal is 1 CMC, so I can just cast it right after an Armageddon by playing a new land if I didn't have a rock or dork.

If you are going to tell me that no one plays mana rocks or dorks next we are pretty much done with this conversation.

>>52539921
It usually isn't a big problem because I adapt my playstyle to what they find acceptable (UG goodstuff), it just pisses me off that the "the correct way to have fun" involves playing directly into all his strengths and none of his weaknesses.

If I want to make a low curve and aggressive white/red deck, that simply won't work, even though it totally could, because I have to pretend his lands are untouchable.

So no, I don't have any trouble "beating" him, it just restricts what kinds of decks are viable.

>>52540009
i bet you think infect should be banned too

>>52540042
maximum of 10 of the same trigger

It wouldn't be as unfun as "lol i topdecked infinite combo you all lose"

>>52540009
Sorry, if a group runs so little removal/interaction that it can get stomped by a telegraphed combo then it kinda deserves to get stomped.

>>52539985
Honstely I think that "destroy all lands" is a little too much. An effect like Limited Resources on a higher-CMC card would be just right.

>>52540107
Well you could also make it that you end the turn automatically whenever somebody loses.

>>52539786
Tajic, assemble the legion , odric (both of them), hanwier garriaon/battlements, hero of bladehold, Kherr Keep, SKULLCLAMP

>>52540009
How is getting Teysa combo'd any less fun than having an opponent drop Avenger into Craterhoof?

>>52530307
City of Solitude

>>52540009
I know you're clinically retarded but there are almost no relevant combo decks in Modern, it's all linear aggro and durdly midrange.

>>52540071
Infect should be doubled to 20 poison counters to kill, the same way HP is doubled to 40
Also poison counters should wear off a person if they don't take any further poison damage

>>52540107
>It wouldn't be as unfun as "lol i topdecked infinite combo you all lose"

Literally how. If everyone is going to die regardless why does the method matter. If someone has infinite mana and cometstorms the table out how is that any different than merely having 600 mana? Everyone still dies. If it takes the same number of cards to accomplish the only difference between the two is your autism.

>>52540198
>Infect should be doubled to 20 poison counters to kill, the same way HP is doubled to 40
Nah, doubled HP is already bullshit enough

>>52540198
The fact that there are people who disagree with what you said here legitimately makes me lose faith in humanity as a whole.

>>52539786
Cathar's crusade, kjeldoran outpost, archtype of aggression, purphoros, goblin assault, goblin rabblemaster, true conviction/akroma's memorial/eldrazi Monument

>>52540254
>t. oloro player

>>52540247
>Wahh, I want to play Call of Duty but EDH forces me to use my brain so I hate it!

Why do you play EDH at all? Lmao, holy fuck this is mind blowing. Are you a sadomasochist?

>>52539464
If everyone agreed to keep playing without anyone defending you, you should take the social cue. No one likes you and they're just keeping up with your shit because it would be rude to outright ask you to leave forever.

>>52540238
how would you go about getting infinite mana with only 10 triggers/taps max?

>>52540287
Literally what the fuck are you responding to? You're the one whining here that infect is supposedly OP.

>>52540162
Then I'll just kill people on other players turns or kill everyone to the same trigger.

>>52540254
>my faith in humanity it shook when others won't agree to play a children's card game with the same namby-pamby rules that I prefer

>>52540287
What is this Call of Duty/use your brain meme? What is so smart about turning creatures sideways (note before you start screeching autistically: I'm not saying combo players are smarter either)?

>>52540315
The fact that you think longer games are somehow less fun, it blows my fucking mind! Why do you play EDH?! WHY? WHAT FUCKING PURPOSE DOES IT SERVE IN YOUR LIFE TO PLAY EDH WHEN YOU CLEARLY HATE WHAT IT IS, WHAT IT WAS MADE TO BE?

>>52540310
Reread the posts. I want to know why it matters if someone has 600 mana or infinite if you die either way. It's just 'tism acting up if you care.

>>52540289
the LGS i used to play at just closed, so i was the new guy at the table. i had a bad read on how competitive everyone's decks were, but whatever.

>>52540397
Call of Duty is Checkers, Rainbow Six Siege is Chess.

60 card magic is Checkers, EDH is Chess, and retards like that guy are completely incapable of figuring out how to play Chess without that retarded fucking Checkers mindset.

>>52540418
but how would they get 600 mana with maximum of 10 triggers?

you can't.
so either you think i'm attacking your infinite combo ezwin, i'm just saying that limit of 10x on infinite combos would be more fun for everyone

>>52540401
>this much salt
Literally git gud you fucking scrub. Play removal, or don't make yourself a priority target you dumb shitter.

>>52540437
that's some intense shitposting right there

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Lots of autistic screeching going on in this thread. Yall need to chill.

Post your pet card.

>>52540457
>Completely ignores the point of the conversation because he realizes how retarded he looks.

Right on bud.

>>52540437
I'm sure this is just bait at this point.

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>>52540437
>edh Is chess

>>52540453
>you can't
Doubling cube

>>52540487
I honestly can't believe there are so many EDH players with this cancerous "win at all costs" mindset.

I'll never understand why you guys put yourselves through the torture of playing a format that is clearly designed to be the exact opposite of what you're doing with it.

>>52540401
>WHY? WHAT FUCKING PURPOSE DOES IT SERVE IN YOUR LIFE TO PLAY EDH WHEN YOU CLEARLY HATE WHAT IT IS, WHAT IT WAS MADE TO BE?

Not him, but do you have a source on that? Because Sheldor and his rules committee isn't backing you up. If infect was to be a higher total they could change that, but they haven't. They could ban all MLD and stop infinite loops as well, but they haven't.

Kind of implies that this is just you screeching your opinion, something not even the creators of the format agree with.

Why do you even bother playing this format if you disagree with how it's meant to be played?

>>52540507
To lose at all costs?

>>52540437
go back to /v/

>>52540480
There is no rule or intent that EDH is meant for each game to last 4 grueling hours. I bet you also complain about Purphoros ending games too soon. I for one am glad that there's still a mechanic for aggro decks that can bypass the unnecessary life pillow hugbox so combo players can be even more OP than they already are.

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>>52540459

>>52540507
i like EDH as a legacy-esque format where i get to build a deck around a legendary creature that i have available at all times.

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>>52540459

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>>52540459
Goes in all red decks. Wish there were more ways to recur it in color.

>>52540431
Complaining about it to strangers on the internet and trying to validate your actions is not the answer

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>>52540507
OK, listen, I like tinkering with janky ideas and decks just as much as the next guy. I'm not playing any turn 3 "I win" combos nor do I like them. I'm just saying that combo is a part of the game and that to a certain degree, every deck has to be prepared to face it.

>>52540459
pic related

>>52540610
i built a deck. it's not overpowered, not by a long shot. my combo was super called out, and it's not even the point of the deck. why am i wrong for winning?

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>>52540459
1 million uses.

All for the price of TWO, thats right
TWO mana.

>>52540453
Something like Gaea's Cradle + untap target land + token producer for mana could probably give you 600+ mana after 10 iterations.

Exponentiality is one hell of a drug.

>>52540659
Probably the best charm in the game right here

>>52540658
should've bought a precon and pretended to be new to edh/commander, to get familiar with the players

>>52540622
that cycle is pretty sweet. i really wish they were legendary, i would love to make a few of them commanders. i bet the only reason they weren't was because of demigod of revenge

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>>52540659
>no watermark

>>52534386
JUDGE

Would the token do commander damage?
And when you exile him to Embalm, can you just send him back to command zone, and get the token?

>>52540667
>spending 100's of dollars on a single card, to 100% win in edh

HAH

>>52540684
i like my decks. i'm proud of what i built. deckbuilding is half the fun of playing the game.