Modern General

>>52528888
Wizard just killed any Brain in the Jar decks with their new rules on split cards.

Needed, but also sad

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>>52528893
>Bionicle block
Just the thought of that makes me wet AF.

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>>52528888
>Why the spikes edition?

What is modern season buyouts

>Playing

Seismic Swans

>Hating

Infect

>Thoughts on Mox Opal

Overpriced and bannable

>Opinions on the price spikes

It sucks for poorfags which means less homebrew meta

>How do you feel about WOTC's choice of bannings and policy for bannings lately

They like to ban cards without actually playing the game at a non GP level

>Do you think they're guiding the format like they should

No. Modern Masters was a mistake. Its only going to cause issues in the future and force them to print new sets that are modern legal ONLY.

Whens the time to buy baubles?

>>52528986
2 months ago

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>>52528986
April 24th three seconds after the ban announcement.

>>52528888
Mox Opal is fine. I'd rather it didn't exist, but it do, and banning it would just be a waste. April 24th will be another "No changes" announcement, although I admit a Street Wraith ban would be hilarious, if disheartening.

Price spikes are for fags. I'm more bothered that Wizards knew they were printing cycling lands, but didn't do another Loam reprint in MM17 to fight a spike. Even in the announcement, Sam mentions it's use in Loam decks, except expensive Loams means less brewing with it. Sam was even on the MM17 team. I don't know why he didn't push for a reprint.
Why Living End spiked baffles me a bit however. It just means I'm going to buy up CoCos before some chucklefuck tries making it into a $20 card again.

>brewing
Shitbrewing with my old BW token deck. Someone posted about Nightsky Mimic a while ago and I'm tempted to make it work. Beckon Apparition works well with the deck, and gives mainboard graveyard hate. I've already got Zealous Persecution and the Sorins, Batwing Brume protects against creatures in general, big or wide, while Cauldron Haze + Intangible Virtue already in the deck saves from sweepers.
I'm thinking it could actually work okay.

>>52529001
great post

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>>52528962
>overpriced and bannable
>hating infect

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>>52529016
Not quite my tempo

tempo...

.....tempo.......

BUY GUTTERSHOT HOLY FUCK

BUY THEM NOW

DONT ASK WHY JUST FUCKING DO IT OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD GOD OH GOD OH GOD GOD OH GOD OH GOD GOD OH GOD OH GOD GOD OH GOD OH GOD GOD OH GOD OH GOD GOD OH GOD OH GOD GOD OH GOD OH GOD GOD OH GOD OH GOD GOD OH GOD OH GOD GOD OH GOD OH GOD GOD OH GOD OH GOD GOD OH GOD OH GOD GOD OH GOD OH GOD GOD OH GOD OH GOD GOD OH GOD OH GOD GOD OH GOD OH GOD GOD OH GOD OH GOD

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>>52529057
Guttersnipe x4
Grapeshot x4
Mountain x52

I guarantee you this will win any tournament and will become the new meta now.

Mountains are about to spike.

Modern gets extended back to include everything back to 7th edition. Does this change the meta in any significant way?

>>52529094
Why would they do that instead of banning 8th and 9th edition?

>>52529110
Because in this scenario, WotC is a company that does fun and interesting things with their game.

>>52529094

counterspell gets used
tolarian winds probably finds use in a meme deck

>>52529136
Dredge will use Tolarian Winds I think

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>>52529110
>banning 8th and 9th edition?
Are there people that actually advocate for this? I thought it was just a meme.

>>52529094
Static orb control

>>52529186
Hey man, banning 8th and 9th is a meme. Personally, I advocate for banning 10th as well before us westerners catch on that the Japs have found a way to break Warp World.

>>52529206
You know what, let's ban everything that isn't from the last three or so blocks, and ban the oldest legal block every time a new one comes out!

>>52529186
I want something even deeper than banning 8th and 9th.

>>52529225
Done.
Where's that change.org link?

>>52529227
"Free Skullclamp"

>>52529206
>break Warp World.
not buying it until you provide a list

>>52529239
It checks out make it be meme gods

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Terrible Jank synergies only!

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>>52529346

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Does it have a place in Soul Sisters?

>>52529400
No. Too weak.

>>52529400
This card breaks cat tribal can't believe wizards printed this

>>52529426
Eh, it'll never dethrone Kithkin so I wouldn't worry about it.

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>>52529416
It's not supposed to be an Ajani's Pridemate. It'd serve a purpose closer to Lingering Souls. Yes, I know flashback is better than embalm. But W is hard to beat, and lifelink is relevant.

Also I haven't been following the deck at all. Why didn't pic related bring it into a tier? Was it just eating bolt every time it tried to flip?

>>52528917
>needed

u wot m8

does nobody here play Junk/BGX??

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>>52529775
I play Bant Eldrazi, which is sort of the same thing but all of my effects are stapled to awesome creatures. Does that count?

>>52529800
absolutely haram

>>52529775
I started putting together Melira, then Midrange. They just felt boring and linear to me, so I made Knightfall.

>>52529758
Infect was Tier 1 until the Probe ban.

>>52529775
I play Abzan

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Someone test this asshole please

he's a mean mofo and genenally just to inteligent for most minds to grasp

>>52530001
Dies to bolt.

>>52530001
he's a scua faglord

>>52530001
Test him for what? He's terrible

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This guy has always been super interesting to me.

He sees play in fringe stuff but he just seems so good in red stuff. Why isn't he played more bros? Especially for sideboard hate.

>>52529009
Living End spiked because if any powerful cycling cards are printed in Amonkhet and find there way in the deck, Living End could become a much more powerful deck in modern. It has a handful of great game 1's.

Who knows, but most likely nothing too good will be added if anything else is added at all. That new demon will replace Jungle Weaver though.

>>52530048
No one relies on counter spells. It's why Grixis is so popular. Kill creatures with Push or Bolt instead of hoping for the best with Spell Snare.

>>52530076
I understand that, but this guy just seems too good to be played in virtually nothing.

>>52530092
Too good in what way? At best he's a niche sideboard pick, but even then there's tons more cards I'd grab from RG before him.

>>52530092
Why play a card you don't need? Same reason Rakdos Charm doesn't show up much anymore with Twin gone.

>>52530092
if control ever becomes the top deck in the format then he might be played. you have to be affinity/dredge/infect tier degenerate to start getting people to dedicate sideboard hate to it.even then, he can still be removed with path, bolt, push, anything. if he was an enchantment instead of a creature would be much better.

>>52530092
The only deck that I can see wanting him is maybe Mono-Green Stompy, and they already have solid anti-blue cards in Thrun and Choke.

>>52530001

You could get roughly almost the same effect with a Dismember on most creatures commonly played in the format. What creatures do you need to make have base power or toughness to be 1? Everything needs to be on par or better than the Bolt/Push test in Modern and has to have a strong ability that is worthy of winning the game.

>>52530092
Why is there always chatter about how useful something that stops counterspells is?
I know a guy who cracked a foil lotv and has been trying to trade it at FNM for a playset of Cavern of Souls every week. He wants it for an Elf deck, which makes sense, but every time I see him trying to trade it I just wonder who actually uses counterspells?
The closest thing in the local meta is a guy on 8 Rack. We're all just racing aggro against midrange really.

Now we've got this Serpopard and there's the same chatter from him and others. They want a playset for reasons I can't fathom.

Why is there such paranoia over counterspells? They're such shit that I don't get it.

>>52530018
doesnt die to tarfire, decay or kcommand. obvs sb card for shadow.

>>52530172
Why would you do that when you can just use Push?

>>52530048
Great SB in devotion meme decks

>>52530202
How many fetch lands do you think I own ?!!

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>>52530211
What did he mean by this?

>>52530202
>if it's 5cmc it's shit
>if it's less lol dies to push
Would you rather windmill slam a Kalitas, Rhino, or that sick cunt when facing down Death's Shadow BGx, the objectively better version of the deck you're playing?
He's Jund/Junk's last hope.

>>52530273
You're fucking stupid m8.

>>52530298
So are you. Stop overestimating Push.

>>52530298
Im simply to inteligent for you to understand next level sideboard tech when you see it, just like my boy Vhati

>>52530304
>durr my 4CMC jank ass legendary is the ultimate tech! XD
>No way hard removal that costs 1/4~1/2 the CMC is better!

Fucking kill yourself.

>>52530048

Used to play him in Hulk Footsteps during the Twin metagame

>>52530331
Banaman truly is the best creature is Modern.
>inb4 path to exilefags show up

>>52530367
>implying Path stops bananaman when you're in the colors to just Essence Flux him away

>>52530273
>He's Jund/Junk's last hope
This has to be bait. Is this a meme?

>>52529094
Well, if we're including Odyssey and Scourge blocks, I hope there'd be a Mind's Desire deck. Outside of that I can't really think of anything. UG Madness is too slow, Wake is definitely too slow, Slide is probably too slow. Maybe there's a Tog deck IDK.

They should definitely do it, though. Those sets are sweet as hell. If they need to ban a block, they should look at Alara, Zendikar, and Scars block.

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>>52530381
>Essence Flux

>>52530403
wait VHATI IL DAL is the card this conversation is about?

ahahahahaha you maniacs

>>52530381
>implying I'm not playing hallowed moonlight
nothin' personnel kid

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How long until the buyout and [Card Title] ensues?

How long until Americans find out about the tech.

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>>52530488
Thats not the image I posted at all.

Thanks Moot/Hiro

>>52530431
>Those sets are sweet as hell

It's the reason I specified that period of time. There's a ton of seriously fun cards I wish I could run present in those sets.

>>52529913
do you run hierarchs my man?

>>52530557
Not telling

>>52530500
>This card exists
One more card for my Zurgo Bellstriker EDH deck

>>52530158
Counterspells are the boogieman, anon. The most terrifying thing to a Timmy is tapping their mana and nothing happening.

>>52529400
Sacred cat is cute, CUTE!


Also, why did WOTC had to change rulings with fuse/split cards?

None of those decks were even near being tier 1-2.

I haven't played since invasion came out, im old schoolness.

I look at cards now and wonder when it turned to yu gi oh combined with pokemon + gundam.

whatever happened to good old norwood priestess and thorn elementals... sigh.

I digress.

>>52529775
Yes, my meta is full of retarded blood moon and tron decks I can never beat. Life is suffering

>>52530557
All of the recent 5-0 lists on modo play hierarch, I personally don't play it anymore because it didn't really do anything in my experience with it and it was an awful top deck. Most of those same lists also play Grim flayer which I am convinced is unplayable

>>52531980
Because that was not how those cards were intended to work, the fewer silly meme decks in the format the better

>>52530001
4cmc do nothing. No reason to test it.

>>52532062
Creature cards just are now on par with old sorceries.

>>52531980
Probably because they realised the old rules were retarded. No idea why they waited till the set after the fuse cards which interact with them though.

>>52532136
what does your list look like? undisrupted hierarch opening is godly though and i do like the flayer topdeck fixing

Has a single card from Amonkhet even looked like it could even be sideboard material yet?

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So did the banning of probe an infects subsequent demise prove that infect players are completely retarded and trash at mtg without perfect knowledge?

>>52534444
quads of truth desu

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>More unplayable trash spoilers and edh shit

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Kefnet the Careful
2U
Legendary Creature - God
Flying, indestructible

Kefnet the Careful can't attack or block unless you have seven or more cards in hand.

3U: Return a land you control to it's owner's hand. You may draw a card.

Holy shit what fucking garbage. Might as well just be a shitty indestructible enchantment with that effect

>>52535070
Is UW control going to be the new boogieman with this? a 3 mana flying with indestructible is busted in a sphinx's rev for 15 deck.

>>52535111
fuggin sick maymay friend xddd

Tron players are the worst, literal human garbage, and modern would be better if we banned 9th edition, simply because it would get those wastes of oxygen to fuck right off.

>>52535070
>Spend 3 mana turn 3 on this, or a Liliana
Tough choice desu

>>52535111
It curves into Supreme Verdict nicely, and it's not hard for Esper to have a full grip early in the game or later on after a Rev. I'll have to test it.

>>52535070
This might be the worst card I have ever seen desu

>>52535070
Hmm, this seems alright. It helps a control deck turn extra lands into cards, and provides a basically unbeatable blocker.

>>52535146
>Tough choice desu

Same, I'd rather hardcast a Stinkweed Imp than this shit

>>52535213
>Ever spending 3 mana on this piece of shit
Kill yourself desu, great way to lose a game

>>52531980
In their own words it gave people who actually knew the rules of the game and understood interactions an unfair advantage.

>>52535275
it's a 3 mana 5/5 that lets you draw cards, and blocks nearly everything for days. Why is that terrible?

>>52535213
>what is path
>what is dismember

>>52535311
Oh I didn't realize you literally always had 7 cards in hand. It literally reads 5UU, draw a card, opponent discards a path or dismember

>>52535326
Spells that get countered a permission deck because they lock the game down? lol it's like you've never played against blue before

>>52535346
Do you know what format you're in?

>>52535326
Dismember isn't played anymore. Path is a serious concern though, in a permission deck you're uniquely positioned to deal with it.

This card blanks some of the most common removal in the format (bolt, abrupt decay, fatal push, murderous cut, etc), which is great for a permission deck. If your threat is blanking half of an opponent's removal suite, trading 1 for 1 with the other half is a lot easier.

>>52535339
See above. Also there is no definition of "literally" that supports your statement. Not even the new ones that mean "figuratively". No reasonable person could come to the conclusion you just did.

>>52535406
>Dismember isn't played anymore
Dismember is played heavily and will be until Eldrazi stop being good

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>playing against fag
>fag mulls to 6
>scrys to top
>thought scour him
>hit 2 lands
>calls judge and asks if you're allowed to mess with the initial scry
Lmao mfw

>>52535346

>blue permission

Get a load of this draw go autist. Your deck will never be good in modern.

>>52535361
No, that's why I'm in the modern thread

>>52535406
dunno what you play and in what format but dismember is top notch SB option dude

>>52535406
Eldrazi plays 3 dismember minimum you tard, DSJ usually plays a couple as well

>>52533457
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-02-17-xwX-abzan/

Hierarch isn't a 4 of in the deck so turn 1 is not really that likely. Flayer needs to connect and also requires deck building concessions in order to get value while bob just sits in play and accumulates card advantage. And I would rather play more proactive spells over main deck artifacts that don't really do anything.

>>52535134
I unironically agree with this

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On a scale of Dragons Maze to Born of the gods what would you rate this set so far?

>>52534138

Amonkhet looks like the worst set since BFZ

>>52536321
I honestly believe this is worse than BFZ so far

Somebody give me a reason to not by Tarmogoyfs right now. Is he gonna go down any more? Frankly, I'm just pleased he's on this side of 100$.

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>Thoughts on Mox Opal?
I don't understand the people saying it should be or will be banned. What deck is Mox Opal in that is a problem? The best deck with Mox Opal in it is Affinity, and it isn't dominating events. Affinity-hate is plentiful and effective.

If, in the future, Mox Opal enables some deck that is just too fast or too optimal, then sure, it would be a ban target. Right now that deck doesn't exist.

>>52536359
If you need goyfs, I'd buy goyfs sooner rather than later.

>>52536408
Lantern Affinity and Cheerios are all enough of a reason for a ban.

>>52536427
What percentage of the meta are those decks?

>>52536448
Whatever percent affinity is plus 1

>>52536461
Which is too much for modern and is unhealthy for the format. Artifact strategies shouldn't be allowed to dominate with a rainbow moxen that has no downside

>>52536490
>dominate
Explain

>>52536461
So the non-Affinity decks you don't like are 1%. Clearly the player base doesn't consider them worthwhile strategies.
>>52536490
>no downside
Legendary, requires two other artifacts in play to use, and has to be on the field.

Again, Affinity is not dominating the field. It does not consistently kill before turn 4, it is easy to disrupt, and it isn't reducing format diversity as far as I can tell.

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>>52535070
It's like Thassa with a marginally better body and worse abilities.

10/10 wizards.

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Does anyone else feel like bedlam reveler could actually be a decent cards? I mean really, it dodges he's bolt push and decay, and it draws you 3 cards in the right deck. Is it good enough to build around? I know the probe ban hurt it, but still.

>>52536579
>it is easy to disrupt
So if I have 2x destroy artifact cards in my opening hand, what do I hit? Cranial Plating, Mox Opal, Steel Overseer, or Master of Etherium?

>>52536309
Better then KLD out of 10. Fuck Aether-Punk.

>>52536719
Needs better base stats. Asides from Prowess and the potential (POTENTIAL) to draw 3, its just a Moldgraf Scavenger, which is just a shitty wannabe goyf.

Pass.
Stormchaser Mage does more work.

>>52535070
You got the abilities mixed up. You always draw, you may bounce a land.

>>52536811
It literally always draws 3, yeah you discard your hand, but if played in a low to the ground tapout style deck how does it not draw 3?

>>52536751
An affinity opener that has plating, opal, overseer, and master is likely to be unkeepable anyway, but what you would hit depends on what else they play and what your deck is doing. If you hit opal and keep them off blue mana, then they can't cast master. Whether you would hit overseer or plating depends on the board.

Also keep in mind that non-artifact specific removal also work against affinity.

I know, decision making is a bitch.

Is it just me or does this guy go directly into jund? it's a great curve topper, odds are you're hellbent by t4, it's not mana heavy, and it turns your late game iok, ts, and lands into shocks. seems like it would give jund really good midgame pressure and inevitability. 1-2 of?

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>>52537034

Forgot my picture

What cards besides lingering souls do you actually want to discard in modern?

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>>52537076
Also I should add in Mardu colors

>>52537049

>land, iok
>land, goyf
>land, liliana
>land, hazmat

Seems good

>>52537076
Dredge cards, conflagrate.

>>52537034
>>52537049
>>52537134

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Okay so here is the idea for the Bedlam Reveler, Death's Shadow Mardu list deck so far.
Here's Going to be the start, the bare bones kind of

I'm thinking 19 lands cause it tops out a little more heavy than DSJ, Standard shit fetches shocks and 2 basics

4x Death's Shadow, Bedlam Reveler, Lingering Souls
Just shit that beats you down.

Removal: Bolt, Path, Push, We have great removal

Discard: Inquistion, Thought Seize, and 1 or 2 Kommand

Temur Battle rage for a finisher

Then some cycling with street wraith and manamorphose

Tell me why this wouldn't be a great and enjoyable deck.

>>52537315
Oh also faithless looting

>>52536719
it's used in legacy U/R delver as a 1 or 2 of

>>52537315
What's the advantage over DSJ?

>>52537394
I'm going to run 4 architects of will and 4 faithless lootings so I can easily turn on delirium turn 2 and play whispers of emrakul. Also not much outside of saving 400 on goyfs,, but I think the deck could work

>>52537564
I might not do this though and just go without the Whispers of Emrakul

>>52537564
>I'm going to run one creature that requires me to aggressively lose life
>another creature that requires cards in graveyard and a whole lot of prowess procs
>some junk to clog up the board
>and I'm going to be pitching things into graveyard because I want to activate an unproved card that's a worse raven's crime, but can turn into a better wrench mind with delirium

Is this your first brew? You're all over the place.

>>52537669
The only cards death's shadow Jund uses that lower it's life are Street Wraith and Fetches and thoughtseize, all of which I'd be running.
Bedlam Reveler doesn't seem too hard to get online, and with my deck being almost entirely 1 drops I just don't see him being bad when I draw 3 for 2 red and a 3/4 prowess almost every time.
Lingering Souls is a good card, and I want to discard it to looting.
And with a tarfire and a bauble, or a looting into an architect I would pretty considtently have delirium turn 2. I'm goldifishing right now and I'm hitting delirium turn 2 almost 80% of the time. Also I feel like you're missing the fact that it discards at random.

>>52537076
Depends. I've done things like discard Tasigur to my opponents liliana and then recur it end of turn with Kommand. I've also done discard bolt, end of turn snap-bolt lili, kill lili with snapcaster.

Situations call for different things.

>>52537049

>Thoughtseize
>goyf
>goyf, bolt in hand, swing for probably 4
>hazoret, swing for 13-15

will this be the first time jund has a disruptive t4 win?

>>52537828

That's not cards that you want to discard, that's cards you have to discard that you are making the best of

I think he's talking about things like bridge from below or vengevine that are better in the grave than anywhere else

>>52537778
The difference is that DSJ can shift more into Jund mode if they haven't drawn DS, or haven't lost the life necessary to resolve it safely.
I know you're avoiding goyf for cost reasons, but that's actually a serious consideration in the DSJ plan. If DS doesn't come on line, goyf can still take over the game.
Bedlam is not a proper goyf replacement. It might work, but it is ultimately just a 3/4 that might grow. Something more consistent might be better. I'll get to that.
Lingering might be a good card, but does it serve the deck? We're packing tons of removal already. Do we really need a card to stabilize with? Tossing it to Faithless is a fine consideration, and I don't think Lingering is the weakest idea you have, I just wonder if we could do something else.
I'm aware that Whispers discards at random. I did note it was a better Wrench Mind.

I'm just sitting here wondering if we couldn't use Nyxathid and increase our discard suite to help it out. We really are suffering from no goyf, so a third big beater is honestly a good idea.

Do me a favor, post the tappedout since it sounds like you've made one. I want to see the whole list your looking at.

>>52537928
I feel like you're really undervaluing the draw 3 on reveler, also I'm off the delirium plan, too clunky, I think I'd rather just keep it to instants and sorceries

Are there any other kind of free cyclers in modern like street wraith or mana morphose?

>>52537988
draw 3 doesn't directly beat face. It puts cards in hand that may help beat face, but we still need to actually be beating face somehow. Or, we need to be drawing into cards that stall out our opponent so we have time to beat face with what we have.

draw 3 helps if we're drawing into beaters or disruption. If you dropped Lingering when you dropped Delirium, then we're down to 8 sources of creatures, and Bedlam is no goyf.
We don't have access to Traverse either, which again reduces the odds of getting DS out. We really do need additional beaters.

I'm advocating Nyxathid because we already have some discard and can load in more, whether you've cut Whispers or not. Communication on what is in and out of the deck isn't exactly clear right now.
I don't know what you're looking at. I only know what you've relayed to me.

>>52538245
No I'm not dropping lingering. And I'd think I'd be running 2 temur battlerage to close games. Another thing I like about reveler is that it dodges push decay and bolt.

>>52537034
I don't know, the 4 drop slot in Jund is a pretty competitive place. The potential blitz is nice, but in most situations I'd rather have Kalitas or Huntmaster

Does anyone else miss Olivia?

>>52538316
Futacock will always hold a place in my heart

>>52538245
Here is a kind of rough draft
Land (18)
3x Arid Mesa
3x Blood Crypt
4x Bloodstained Mire
1x Godless Shrine
4x Marsh Flats
1x Mountain
1x Sacred Foundry
1x Swamp
Instant (14)
1x Kolaghan's Command
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Manamorphose
4x Path to Exile
1x Terminate
Sorcery (16)
4x Faithless Looting
4x Inquisition of Kozilek
4x Lingering Souls
4x Thoughtseize
Creature (12)
4x Bedlam Reveler
4x Death's Shadow
4x Street Wraith

The one ofs are definitely not 100% one ofs, and the 4 ofs are definitely not all 4 ofs except the obvious, this is just where I'm going to start, and shape it from there.

>>52538384
Noted. It will probably work fine at FNM. Post results when you put it all together.

>>52538480
I absolutely will, it's running pretty good on tapped out, pretty consistent turn 3 revelers after kill spells and discard

>>52538209
No.

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I think she might work in my Naya Zoo deck. I often either find myself in Top Deck mode or with a hand of useless lands. She's a big hasty beater and I can get damage off of my otherwise dead draws.

>>52537988
You thought of young peezy?

Does dynavolt tower have potential in modern?

>>52540333
Not even a little bit

>>52540333
3 mana do nothing with a garbage mechanic, the payoff being bolt

So in other words no

>>52538804
Then run fucking Molten Vortex intead of that pile of shit.

>>52530001
I use him in my Doran decks as a control. He's usually ignored, but if I can keep him out my odds go up greatly

>>52537034
For 4cmc you could play either Huntmaster, Olivia, Kalitas, Thrun or Thunderbreak Regent. And even those dont make the cut most of the time. Let that sink in.

It's possible to counter your own spells right?

>>52540844
You forgot >>52530001

>>52540844
Paid 4cmc to get the cut into your mums pussy

>>52540923
Jokes on you I play burn because I have 2 dads, faggot

>>52540967
I tought you need 2 dads to play Tron.

>>52541031
Nah. Tron can be played without any dads at all.

So I came across a guy playing a combo BR deck where the main card was Indomitable Creativity, i tried changing it to a WR:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/elemental-polymorph/

What should i add/remove to improve it?

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Dimir charm is playable right?

>>52541610
It's a terrible card

>>52541806
Why? Seems versatile enough

>>52541911
It's either a shitty counterspell, a shitty terminate, or a shitty thought scour.

>>52536588
I don't really see how people think these cards are even similar. Hazoret is a great top deck or turn-4 finisher, that turns land draws into damage. Purphoros requries you to have other creatures/enchantments on the field and be constantly drawing more creatures.

tg is really bad at magic.

>>52542076
You have to admit they are pretty similar in a surface-level analysis.

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>>52542076
>that turns land draws into damage

In a overpriced shitty way.

>>52540902
Yes. Example: play hive mind. Then cast ornithopter and then cast Pact of Negation, targeting your own creature. Everyone else copies PoN spell. End turn. Win game.

>>52542005
It's not necessarily a shitty thought scour cause you're getting card selection, it's more like a shitty taigams scheming, and yes, that's what you pay for the versatility.

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Seeing the 2 spoiled minotaurs makes me wish that tribe was playable.

am I an asshole if my favorite deck is storm?

>>52542580
No

>>52542433
You know you're in the Modern general, right?
We only talk about Kithkin tribal here.

>>52536719
its a card with potential, anon. get your playset if you dont have it

>>52542629
>Kithkin tribal

Fucking pleb, TREEFOLK MASTER RACE!

>>52542802
Excuse me, but we don't allow Timmies in here.

>>52542802
get your homebrew garbage outta this thread and only come back when it can compete with the boogieman of the format (kithkin)

Blue White control
Black Red Aggro
Blue Green Black control

In other words I want one deck I can pull out when I want to say
https://youtu.be/2kr7KDCsIws?t=504

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>>52535295
>knowing and using the rules to your advantage is basically bullying new players so we're going to change the rules to make you stop lol

>>52543159
Not saying I agree with it, but i understand their reasoning. Though next step on the slippery slope is cascade and ancestral visions

>>52543159
The ruling fixed a bug, it didn't remove a feature

>>52543147
Mods plz delete this post

>>52540914
>Forgetting Chandra, Gonti and m'lady huntmaster Arlin
STEP IT UP
Vhanti is clearly a sideboard card like Thrun

>>52539747
In Death's Shadow? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the whole point of these decks with DA, Goyf, Tasigur, etc was to blank things like Bolt, if not make them benificial for you by pumping your Shadows.

>>52541610
Only good Guild Charms are Izzet, Simic, and sometimes Golgari.

>>52541610

The modes are kinda weak considering what is commonly played. So lets have a look and break it down.

Mode 1: Lot of the sorceries commonly played in Modern are all cmc 1 or 2 and aren't worth spending 2 mana in restrictive colours to try and answer when a Spell Pierce would work in a pinch.

Mode 2: There's a fair number of creatures with power 2 or less but again you could probably just kill that same creature with bolt, path, push, dismember etc. Already these first two modes are very limited and outclassed by other cards. Ask yourself what creature at power 0, 1 or 2 that you have trouble with that those other cards can't answer and you are in UBx colours that warrants needing Dimir Charm.

Mode 3: The third mode is really the only relevant mode right now but again you have cheaper cards to scry for your self and draw. You might think being able to target your opponent would be a neat mode as well but at that point if you want to be controlling your opponent's draws then you just play Lantern Control.

>>52543290
it wasn't a bug, it was a solid and easily understandable rule if you thought it about it with your fucking brain instead of smashing your head against a table repeatedly

if an effect compared the cmc of the split card to any other value, and either side of the split card matched the condition, it was a valid choice for the effect.

goblin dark-dwellers could cast boom // bust from the graveyard because boom has a cmc of 2 and allowed the entire card to meet the criteria of 3 or less

if an effect only cared for the total cmc of a card without comparing it to another effect, you used the combined total mana cost.

dark confidant hit you for 9 damage if you revealed boom // bust to his effect, because it did not compare the cmc to any particular other value.

HOW FUCKING DIFFICULT IS THAT?

it's so fucking simple if you just use a modicum of the intelligence we possess as humans

>>52535547
That is fucking hilarious. You do us all a service.

>>52543642
>Cards do something they were not intended to do
>Somehow not a bug

>>52543451
The best one and the only one that actually sees Modern play in a tier 1 deck consistently is Boros Charm pleb

>>52538349
More like a place in your ass fag

>>52538349
This joke was never funny

>>52543451
>wanting to counter, loot, give hexproof , pump, exile graveyards or wipe tokens when you can just deal 4 damage to target player

>>52543679
explain to me how it is a "bug" and not simply just an interesting interaction that occurred as design space was explored?

Because cascade into boom // bust was the first god damn thing people thought of when cascade was spoiled you know.

>>52543679
When are they going to patch that saheeli bug in standard so I can stop playing death's shadow the format.

>>52543819
>>52543824
>A mechanic that lets you cast cheap spells
>Oh shit, in some corner cases it actually allows you to cast more expensive spells
How can you possibly defend this as "works" as intended?" Cascade being able to do that doesn't excuse the fact, and now it can't

>>52543856
>I'm retarded

>>52543856
>WAAAA I DONT LIKE THINGS I DONT UNDERSTAND FIX IT WIZARDS

>>52542433
Same. It was my first deck and Ive been waiting on the day for them to get good. Too bad the design looks like shit.

>>52543872
>I'm babyraging that my shitty meme deck isn't a thing anymore

>>52543872
It's clear that I understand the way the mechanic works, you're just a fucking retard who doesn't understand why it shouldn't work that way and are now mad because you thought that "understanding the rules" was your supr sekrit club that only you belonged to

>>52543856
and while we're at it they needs to fix that bug where multiple objects entering the battlefield at the same time can see each other enter, because scapeshift + valakut + 6 mountains is clearly not how either of those cards were intended to work

and while we're at it, patch that silly ad nauseam spell, continuing to use the spell to get cards below zero life is definitely not how that spell was intended to be used. that's definitely a bug

and simian spirit guide and mox opal are bugs too, they let you have way more mana than you're supposed to and people are just making all sorts of unintended meme decks with them so lets fix that too right?

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>>52543962

>>52543779
>>52543687
I completely forgot Boros Charm was a guild charm; it's just that much better than all the others

>>52543269
They won't do that, I understand them nipping bird brain in the bud but a lot of people have shardless bug and living end built and there would be a fucking uproar, also what would they even change ancestral visions to? Cmc 1?

>>52543679

MTG is full of cards doing something they weren't intended to do when interacting with other cards. See back in the day we called this interaction a "card combo". Sometimes entire decks were built on this premise!

>>52543687

Orzhov Charm is starting to see some fringe play. Turns out it reanimates a Death's Shadow quite well.

>>52544217
No it isn't.

>>52544194
Except that when a card explicitly says to do something, for instance cast a spell that costs 2 or less, and then somehow you are able to do something other than what it explicitly says, like casting a spell that costs 8 for example, then there is a clear problem

>>52544228

>No it isn't

Take a look and be proven wrong my friend.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-esper-death-s-shadow#paper

>>52543507
Yeah all the modes are outshined, but there's always one that is relevant

>>52544266
>esper death shadow
Lol

>>52544401
hahahahahahahhahahhaha

>>52544236

>Except that when a card explicitly says to do something, for instance cast a spell that costs 2 or less, and then somehow you are able to do something other than what it explicitly says, like casting a spell that costs 8 for example, then there is a clear problem

When a card explicitly tells you to do something it asks if any part of what you are doing is a valid target or interaction. In the case of split cards it just asks if any part of the card has a cmc that meets the requirements. If so then yes it is a legal target, this is how almost the vast majority of MTG rulings work with card interactions.

When Goblin Dark Dwellers targets a split card like Boom//Bust the rulings as they were before the change and how the vast majority of how rules work in MTG is "Does any part and function of this card meet the requirements to allow it to be a target?" If yes then it may now resolve the ability and cast that spell. Now if you wanted to make the argument for the ruling changes for FUSE split cards then I would have no problem with this then yes they should errata FUSE rulings because of a loophole with the procedure on how spells are casted but leaved existing split cards to function as is properly.

>>52544236
OR, and this is a big or so just hear me out

OR, and let's just get a little crazy here I'm just saying

OR, we call it what it is, an interesting interaction with the potential to create a competitively viable build around strategy. Also known as a COMBO

But nah, that's just ludicrous. It's just an unintended bug in the rules that let's you do silly things in a children's magical card game about doing silly things. Get rid of that garbage immediately.

>>52544425
hahhahhaahhaha

>>52544425
>>52544471
Cry harder, maybe it'll change the rules back to the shitty way you like it

>>52544504

>Get shutdown by logic
>Can't argue

Don't worry friend we're dumbing down everything for you so you play creatures the tappening.

>>52544504
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAH

Stop giving this retard (you)'s

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>>52543962
Dude shut up.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I get you're sarcastic shitposting but fucking shut up, you'll give them ideas. I'm already cowering in fear about a SSG ban.

God damnit. t. Ad nauseam player

>>52543451
Orzhov Charm is amazing in BW/x Death's Shadow, and Rakdos Charm is a great sideboard card in any RB deck.

What is it like to hug a woman?

>>52544689

I miss the days of Rakdos Charming over eager Twin players.

>>52544694
It's nice when I hug my mom

>>52544694
bags of sand and salty coins and milk

>>52544711
I miss the days of untap slam spliter twin swing for 3 trillion gg game 2?" Followed by "cascade into living end in response?" Followed by "JUDGE!"

>>52544711
The twin players never expect it

>>52544797
Maybe if they're retarded

>>52544771

An equivalent scenario happened in FNM Standard minus the judge call recently in my Panharmonicon deck on the eve of the bannings. I asked an opponent to pick a number whe he attempted to combo off, he chose 300. I played Commence the Festivities which is a 2 mana fog. I had not updated the deck other than changing Reflector Mages for Rogue Refiners and was not adjusted to the metagame yet. Somehow those Fogs won me the match against the Saheeli Combo decks.

>>52544711
I miss being a twin player slowly chipping someone's life total as they hold rakdos charm in hand with a tear in their eye

>>52544820
Yeah, open RB mana says they're holding terminate, or bluffing it at the least

>>52544820

Many of them were.

>>52544852

Only if you were playing Jund yeah.

But lot of times there were fringe RBx decks that they would just play straight into and get blown out by it (e.g Hulk Footsteps)

>>52544820
it's a meme, you dip

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I legitimately believe I could come up with a 100% better modern Masters set than this. I mean seriously, I don't want to see goyf in these sets anymore, I don't want to see chase mythics. I don't want the value of the box to be literally decided on if you pull goyf or not. Why can't wizards just fucking get it roght

>>52545293
But anon, Modern Masters isn't for modern players, it's for draft :^)

>>52541077
That's kind of the reason for Tron, honestly

>>52544771
Holy fuck I didn't think that living end players could get more smug about their tier 17 deck but here it is

>>52543679
>literally the very concept of a combo

>>52546232
Living End players deserve to be smug - they have the only deck with a positive match up against Kithkin.

>>52546232
living end being a good deck is the hottest new meme, get with the times gramps you senile old fuck

Personally I don't think the deck is that bad but it's open to too many different types of interaction, which is why I wouldn't play it unless something bizarre like eldrazi winter happens again where it's one of the only decks able to compete

>>52544771
>implying your shitty meme deck isn't getting the big blue remand

>>52546416
>playing remand

I'm playing Mardu Nahiri, right now. I took first at FNM last week with it, which is the first time I've ever won. The deck is sweet.

Hating Tron. The deck's fine, but it's great against the types of decks that I like to play.

Mox Opal is fine.

The format seems alright. I miss Playing Pod and playing against Twin, but it's alright. I have not played against Eldrazi or Death's Shadow yet. Overall, the format seems healthy.

I miss Gitaxian Probe. I haven't played Infect or Delver since it was banned. I'm okay with the Golgari Grave-Troll ban. I'm not sure what WOTC's ban policy is or how I feel about it.

I have no idea if the format is being guided the right way or not. All that I want is a diverse meta game where all archetypes are playable.

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>>52546805
>I'm playing Mardu Nahiri, right now. I took first at FNM last week with it, which is the first time I've ever won.
How do you do, fellow plebbitor? :^)

I know this is a simole, probably even stupid question, but im still gonna ask.

How to i build good decks? I've brewed a few decks but they always feel shit, and im tired of just taking lists off of the internet and maybe slightly tweaking them. I want to get better at building decks on my own, decks that have a change of being decent.

Are there any specific steps or tips? Or do you just have to know? Please help, i want to get better

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>>52547027
Check out DesolatorMagic on youtube, he's the worlds best brewmaster - I'm sure you can find some useful tips in his videos.

Good luck and enjoy coming up with spicy brews!

>>52547164
Nice try Desolator

So turns out there was an Elves deck running spicy cards like Walking Ballista and Glissa the Traitor

That's some serious spicy tech there.

>>52546805
list for that mardu deck?

>>52547239
oh my. that sounds good

>>52535295
desu the planeswalker redirection rule is more screwy to a new players mind than an interaction from fringe decks.

ive seen it generate salt at my LGS when they find out how it works

>>52546805
>The deck's fine, but it's great against the types of decks that I like to play.
I know this feeling too well

>>52547027
thats a very broad question so all I can say is dont think about how good the deck itself is think about how it will perform in your local environment. modern is a fairly tight format where decks must fill some strict criteria or else they will be strictly worse than other decks of the format. Know how competitive/tryhard the people you will likely play against and allow yourself to have fun accordingly

>>52547457

It's a very interesting list.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/603931#paper

>>52547027

You need to understand the format and card pool available. In standard you can figure this out quickly because of the smaller card pool. Standard is actually really good for brewing decks and ideas especially upon a new set or rotation.

In Modern and older formats you need to play hefty amounts with established decks and tune them around before you will be able to build decks to cater for the meta of the format.

And last but not least, play a shitload of Limited. This will improve your deckbuilding fundamentals.

>>52547027
read patrick chapin's books on the subject. here's a seminar he gave on one of them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79fGvA9D6io


watch mtggoldfish's brewer's minute series

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5L0uGTinNI

>>52547027
Think of an interaction with the cards. Now think of the interactions biggest problem. Now can you beat it with surrounding cards? Either by speeding it up faster than something you can do, or bigger than the other deck.

Take Tron, can your go faster than it and be able to beat the god draw of turn 3 Karn? Or can it get something bigger than Karn?

Cloudpost is banned because it is able to go bigger than even Eldrazi with EoU. It's slower than the deck, but it can get bigger and bigger. Same thing with things like Infect

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Who else /tron/ here?

Who else /Ponza/ here?

>>52548561
U tron here also skred

>>52548561
me

>tfw dad left when I was a little kid and mom whored around and the only father figure in my life was karn
I will never abandon this deck, it keeps roasties and deadbeats in check

>>52548703
That's sweet mate. I have a lot of respect for U Tron. So many fun tricks that deck can pull.
>>52548711
Tron truly is the greatest police deck.

>>52548752
Yea don't you dare try to okay a fair game of magic, we can't have that.
Lightning fast aggro? That's fine though

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>>52548787
Yeah, fuck midrange plebs. We already effectively stamped out the controlfags, and soon enough midrange will join them.

Eventually modern will be nothing but linear aggro, and the prophecy will be complete!

>>52548787
>IF I SPEND 2K I SHOULD WIN WAHHHHHH
Like I said, greatest police in the format lese it would just be BGx faggots sucking each other of over their overpriced decks and buzzwords like "muh interaction". Having checks and balances is needed for stuff like this.

>inb4 assblasted control durdlers cry for a tron ban because they can't play their autistic deck in the format
fuck off to legacy already.

>>52542095
Not really. Or wait, holy shit, creature has cmc, power, toughness and ability! They are like every other creatures in the game, learn to design!

>>52549082
What compelled you to make a substandard retort against a post that's eight hours old?
Also, he has a point.

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>>52548561
UTron, I haven't dismantled it since starting modern. Might pick up chalices soon to upgrade/move into the Eldrazi variant. Is SSG in the deck a meme, anon?

>>52549170
SSG is definitely a meme but it can be a pretty funny meme, especially when it lets you drop a turn 1 chalice against Burn or Bogles or something.

>>52549170
I like gemstone caverns better personally

>>52549170

Don't bother with SSG in U Tron. You just dilute your deck with it. If you want Spicy Memes my friend what you play is a 1x Epiphany at the Drownyard in the list.

>Play Minsdslaver
>pass turn
>survive 1 whole turn
>end step activate Mindslaver
>draw and pass
>control their turn
>mess everything up for them with hand and spells and mana
>cast Epiphany at the Drownyard from your hand for a gorillion
>make 1st pile of zero cards and the rest into the 2nd pile
>because you control their turn you choose yourself to take the pile of massive cards.

VALUE.

>>52548561
GB tron here

also have G Tron superfriends which is pretty fun

>>52549449
He's talking about SSG in Eldrazi Tron, anon.

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>>52549460
Hell yeah, G/B tron is my favorite version. Collective brutality is so good!

>>52549471

OH. Well yeah still my point remains, don't bother with SSG in Eldrazi Tron.

>>52548935
>interaction
>buzzwords

I'm just going to pretend you're baiting, it's better for both of us this way

>>52549795
t. buttmad Jundfag

What do I sideboard against GBx if I'm playing Ponza? Even my threats seem underwhelming against a huge Scooze or 6/7 Goyf. Do I bring in Ugin? I mean, I can ramp my mana up.

>>52551035
Finks to stabilize. T2 Moon a few Stone Rains and Inferno Titan should win you the match. You're playing Stormbreaths in the main to fly over already I hope.

>>52551035
Just topdeck a fat bonfire like a skilled player

>>52551102
The issue I had last time I was against Junk was he knocked my dork out of my hand, and I couldn't threaten his land before he started dropping big shit. Never seeing a Blood Moon didn't help, but even my giant fat fucks like Swagtusk and Inferno Titan were being dwarfed.

So is the counterspell reprint real?

I want to believe

>>52551152
Nope, fake. I wonder how it must feel working at Wizards, when a fake spoiler makes your customers happier than the real spoilers.

>>52551172
I dont know, something feels suspicious.

them saying that they would print more answers and then spoiling snakecat smells like we could have counterspell back. I mean, we already got essence scatter.

>>52551193
MaRo confirmed no Counterspell a while back after the Invocation reveal. I'm sorry to disappoint you Anon, but here's what's really happening here:

>"We're going to print better answers."
>They reveal an undercosted green beatstick that shits on counters
>They don't print any good counters anyway
>They reprint Hero's Downfall

Then they pat themselves on the back.

>>52551211
>They reprint Hero's Downfall
I wish.

>>52543679
Sounds like someone got their shit pushed in by Manaless dredge one too many times

>>52551384
>I'll drop Gideon and 0 him
>In r-response I'll D-Downfall... heh ...

>>52551407
I was thinking more like:
>I'll drop Saheeli
>I shock you, redirect damage to Saheeli
>Ha! You have fallen for my trap! I cast Dispel!
>Okay. Hero's Downfall.
>[Cries internally]

>>52548561
I recently sold off my entire collection, but I kept this deck (RG version) intact in its entirety.

>>52551141
He drew well, you didn't, big fucking whoop. You're still favored overall.

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>>52551557
It always seems to draw like shit. I just shuffled and drew and just look at this hand, it's utter garbage.

>>52548711
>the only father figure in my life was karn
Made me laugh

>>52551614
No wonder you're doing poorly, you're supposed to destroy the opponent's land, not yours.

>>52551697
Don't worry it's double sleeved. Wouldn't want it to get damaged now, would I? :^)

>>52551614
this is why I dont like this deck. your opening hand and your draws have to align pretty well in order to do anything. its not like affinity where you just play artifacts or jund where its either threats or disruption. you need your ramp, then your disruption, then your finishers, in that order because of how they are costed.

>>52551614
Early moons and stone rains are a priori very likely, even though the law of large numbers doesn't necessarily kick in before hundreds of games. This is all assuming you're playing a proper list with sets of moon, moss, stone rain, arbor, utopia sprawl and 2 birds.

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>>52551697
lul

>>52552697
>>52552697
>>52552697
>>52552697
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