Modern General

>>52516206
>Playing?
Affintity and Storm. I like that Storm has a lot of intricacies and you really need to know the deck to play it optimally.

>Hating?
Price spikes

>Brewing?
Eldrtich-osaurus combo.

>Expecting any meta changes?
Not really.

>Thoughts on the spike?
I was about to build dredge and/or living end but the speculators did their moves before I could buy anything. Fuck them.

Any uses for Ranger of Eos? Card seems really powerful but I havent seen decks use it other than Soul Sisters.

>>52516206
>Playing?
Esper Control

>Hating?
I would say Tron but I've been doing pretty well against them recently

>Brewing?
Some kind of control deck with the new lands

>Expecting any meta changes?
No

>Thoughts on the spike?
If I end up with on RUG or BUG build and I have to buy Loam it's gonna suck, but it's to be expected

are pauper threads ever a thing?

How to fix modern:

BR
Sorcery
Name a card that isn't a basic land. Target opponent reveals his or her hand. Exile all cards with that name. If a card was exiled in this way, exile all permanents with that name. If a permanent was exiled this way, search that player's graveyard and library for any number of cards with that name and exile them.

>>52516674
Oops, templating fix: The third sentence in the rules text should be "exile all cards revealed this way with the chosen name"

>>52516674
How about you fix a 9mm to your brain at several hundred meters per second? Tron is not oppressive, draw-go would be shit even without it and you need to stop bitching and kill yourself.

>>52516791
>don't mention tron
>tron fag still gets butthurt

Hah. Get fucked tronshitter.

>>52516837
You (or at the very least retards like you) have ruined several threads with your asinine custom card "format-saving" bullshit, just fucking stop.

>>52511080
I know the kid has a full set of bolt and terminate. I think he's also running 2 dreadbore main and some number of fatal pushes and doom blades. I'm not really sure exactly how many creatures he needs to be running with sufficient hand attack backing it up - I think it's safe to say the deck probably wants about 16-18 threats?
>>52511138
Thank you for the list of threats. I'll definitely look them all over and go over them with him next time I get the chance.

>>52516351
>Any uses for Ranger of Eos? Card seems really powerful but I havent seen decks use it other than Soul Sisters.
Maybe some Death's Shadow or Delver shitbrew.
In hatebears he can find Militant and Forge Tender.
Could be cool in Bogles.

The problem with him is that CoCo is just better.

>>52516987
Mostly it's just butthurt tronfags such as yourselves who ruin the threads in response to genuine suggestions.

Here's another format saving suggestion:

REPRINT WASTELAND

>>52516351
>paying 6 mana for a 3/2 and 2 1 drops when you could pay 4 mana at instant speed for 2 3 drops
Makes me think

>Deaths shadow Jund
>literally just shit your hand out and push every card they play then thoughtseize shit you can't push
>Literally just topdecking the entire game
Why is this gay shit allowed?

>>52516674
>more shit for jund
Just kill yourself already

>>52517235
>tron
>can't be inquisitioned or thoughtsiezed because every key combo piece is land based, and wizards hates land hate, even as it apparently loves land based combo.
>convinces delusional faggots that they're playing a control deck.

Ban tron, then we can talk about death's shadow.

>>52516351
>living end
Did something else get bought up? Or are you referring to fulminator

>>52517146
>6 mana for 1 body you want plus 2 other bodies you want
>or 4 mana for the chance at 2 bodies, half of the time 1 body, and sometimes absolutely nothing with a high chance of just hitting creatures that do nothing at the time
It really doesn't

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>>52517428
Did Karn touch you as a child?

there's only one thing that needs to be done to make Modern a truly great format, and I think we all know what it is

Unban Punishing Fire

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>>52517835
Away heathen.

>>52517945
t. Jund player

>>52517945
In an punishing fire, blood braid elf and death rite shaman desu

>>52517945
>>52518049
>No banlist Modern Jund is the exact same as Legacy Jund, minus duals and Hymn to Tourach
BGx was a mistake

>>52518049
>>52518092
>>52517945
Reprint Hymn to Tourach, Sylvan Library, Badlands and Bayou, then unban Dethrite Shaman, BBE, and Punishing fire tbqh

>>52518049
>In an punishing fire, blood braid elf and death rite shaman desu
I'm a jund player, but lets be real: only BBE is safe to unban. The rest is good where it is now.

>>52518226
just to entertain the idea of Punishing Fire for a minute, i think there are basically two questions

1) Can Death's Shadow decks still exist in a format with Punishing Fire (assuming that such a format is not just 100% Punishing Fire decks)

2) Are there control/combo decks that can beat Punishing Fire decks

DRS definitely needs to stay banned though

Amonkhet:
What do you guys think about Anointer Priest in Soul Sisters?

How about the bicycle lands in Splendid Valakut?

I'm new to modern and starting to pick up UWR control staples as they're probably as cheap as they're going to be for a while (fetches, snapcasters etc.).

I've been looking at jeskai nahiri decklists and will probably play something similar when I eventually have all the pieces but that may take a while.

What sort of budget deck should I play in the meantime to get a feel for playing modern? Burn?

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>>52518983
>What sort of budget deck should I play
Mono-Green Stompy, always and forever.

>>52519051
With threats like this, why isn't stomping good enough?

>>52519165
Because it's a vanilla 4/5 that dies to everything besides bolt

>>52519165
The deck suffers from the fact that it's just a tad too slow (in my experience playing the deck it's about a turn slower than most other aggro decks), its removal options are costly or inconsistent (dismember or fight spells) and the sideboard options are very limited.

That said, it's still very solid for what it is and can hold its own against most of the field. I feel the deck might become something real if it just got 1 or 2 great cards printed for it.

>>52519335
4 drop amonkhet croc any good?

>>52519600
>4 drop
Afraid not

>>52519051
Sounds good, got a deck list?

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>>52519663
Here it is. The only really big deviation from normal lists I run is the 2 copies of Dungrove Elder. If you don't like them they're easily replaceable with 2 more copies of Scavenging Ooze or Kalonian Tusker.

>>52518363
DRS being unbanned would make dredge fair again. It is the perfect model for a graveyard hate card: good enough on its own, the hate is incidental to the main effect.

>>52520203
>I've never played with drs

>>52520203
The problem is that it's *too* good on its own.

>>52520343
That may be true. They could reprint some versions of it with limited modes. Like a birds of paradise that needs to exile a card from a graveyard to produce mana.

>>52520203
Either you never played with DRS, or you played with him and just want him back at all cost OR you are a fucking dumb ass who dont understand modern at all. Pick one.

What's with the anti-tron fag? Does he play some tier 5 kitchen table deck, and the only real deck he's fought is tron? Is that why he keeps spamming his retarded custom card in these threads?

>>52520203
>Hi I didn't play modern until 2016!

You don't say.

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Now what if they print one of these with an effect that punishes Jund?
>whenever you cycle or discard a card, ~ deals 1 damage to target creature or player

WotC loves pushing at least one card in each color for each mechanic so they can claim it wasn't a complete bust because something made it into Modern.
How will they do it this time, and what would be the best for Modern?

>>52520668
Now what if you fucked off to the thread for faggots like you and their shitty custom cards?

>>52520600
Well, to be fair, tron is for mouth breathers and nobody likes playing against it

>>52520668
fucking custom card fag
FUCK OFF

>>52520668
>literally a worse Swiftspear

I want the customfags to go. They're as bad as the fags who insist cube is the best format.

>>52520689
I like playing against it fine, because I'm not an autistic sperglord like you.

I play Mono-U Merfolk, btw.

>>52520689
I don't think you'll ever get the tron players to admit that they are literally the villains of the modern format. Even in eldrazi winter, they commanded more disgust.

>>52520689
>>52520740

>Samefagging

Quick, post what deck you play anti-tronfag, so we can all laugh at how retarded you actually are.

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>>52520753
nice try tronfag.

>>52520789
Grixis Control

>>52520789
>it's just one person
Tron is just ultra linear and polarizing. Either it get a crushed by aggro or crushes slow decks.
I'm not ass pained because your superior intellect beat me out. Pls get over yourself

>>52520789
I just play Tron desu

>>52520826
>5 seconds in paint

>there are people ITT that can't deal with tron
>they're so upset that they resort to inventing custom cards to fantasize about beating the deck

It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

>>52520915
>being this assblasted
>d.d..don't hate tron reeeeee

>>52520941
>there are people ITT that can't deal with tron
Not liking something and being unable to handle something or entirely different. I can't expect tron players to understand this though

>>52520946
no
it literally took you 5 seconds in paint to make that

>>52519600
>>52519622
On it's own it fails the bolt test. Can pass if you are willing to put the -1/-1 counter on one of your other creatures.

>>52520971
>Everyone who calls me out on being retarded is a tronfag!

I bet you're a trumpet too. Your brainless mantras sound alike.

>anti-tronfags don't know about Ghost Quarter, Tectonic Edge, Bloodmoon, Fulminator Mage, Spreading Seas/Seas Claim, etc. etc.

Please understand the format before talking about it, thank you.

>>52520989
Oh, one cool trick is if you have a Young Wolf or other creature with undying, if it already has the +1/+1 counter, you can put the -1/-1 counter on it. The counters get rid of each other and the undying creature can come back again.

>>52521052
But I want to beat Tron fairly, with creatures.

>>52520941
Dealing with tron is not hard, but that doesn't mean dealing with it isn't annoying as fuck.


>>52520991
#MMGA
#ReprintWasteland

>>52521052
>ghost quarter
Not good enough. It puts them ahead on lands, meaning they can just hardcast the expensive spells.

>tec edge
Yeah, good luck stopping a turn 3 tron with tec edge.

>bloodmoon
Literally part of the cancer killing modern. Terrible design, has too much collateral damage. It is a very powerful effect though.

>Fulminator Mage
The first alright answer you've suggested

>Spreading Seas/Seas Claim, etc
This can be fun, but it's only really playable in 2 decks.

>>52520826
Pretty sure that could be done by one person with a proxy. I'm even more sure I don't really care if you are a same fag.

>>52521110
>Complaining about decks that are apparently easy to beat

>>52520991
Typical American

>>52521110
>>bloodmoon
>Literally part of the cancer killing modern.
Go back to frontier, nobody wants you here

>>52521393
Ban 8th and 9th edition.
Ban 10th too. Warp World carried a deck to 2nd at a Japanese GP. Old cards are inherently broken.

>>52521434
>implying

If anything, Magic has undergone powercreep over time.

>>52521393
>ban blood moon
Kill yourself and shove your faggot 5 color deck up your ass

>>52521638
>not playing six "colors"

W E W

>>52521434
Compare Serra Angel, considered a top tier card in its time, to Baneslayer Angel, a card that doesn't see play in any serious decks.

Now tell me that old cards are, on average, better than new cards.

>>52521717
This dude is correct. At the level of Vintage and Legacy and even Modern a little bit, over the years the power level has increased. Mostly this is because the really ridiculous spells they used to print are still in use, and in modern sets they've tried to increase the power of creatures to match them.

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>>52521762
Indeed, we're playing in the era of hyper-efficient creatures. The Hearthstone generation is afraid of moderate to high levels of interaction, and this has been reflected in the design of MtG sets. It's why shit like pic related is getting printed, despite there being no truly threatening control options being printed for years at this point.

>>52521447
Only creatures and auras

>>52521950
>crying about a questionable version of Loxodon Smiter
That card will only be good in Standard or against Mono-Blue. There is no reason to expect it will see anything except sideboard play (no matter how strong U is) because it fails the bolt test, and WotC has been increasing the methods U has to stall the board, precisely until they can dig out a proper solution to problem cards.

SPLIT CARDS CMC WILL ALWAYS BE THE COMBIMED CMC NOW (except on the stack)

Bird brain, dark dwellers boom//bust, expertise fuse are all dead

>>52522091
The point isn't about the specific card, chucklefuck. It's an illustration of the current mentality of the design team: Efficient creatures, low interaction.

>>52521950
Yeah, people don't realize that we're not getting that card for standard. We're getting it to push modern.

>>52522091
It's also monocolored which, weirdly with how modern mana-bases work, makes it less likely to see play.

>>52522127
Bogle was printed in 2008. Don't get me wrong, the design team is a group of chucklefucks, but this isn't terribly new.

I maintain hatebears isn't a healthy archetype for the game

>>52522127
It's been the overall design mentality since thragtusk
Creatures aren't just creatures now, they're spells on etb and enchantments

>>52522116
Source?

>>52522116
the rules for split cards have always been retarded

now they're retarded in a different way

>>52522244
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/638ws6/torrential_gearhulk_and_aftermath_ruling_from/dfsccuj/

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>>52522127
Haha, Ponza is dead. Dead!

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>>52522269
So, what gets an indirect buff and what doesn't?

>>52522197
The existence of hexproof is not on its own a sign of this. We've had hexproof as an effect since Mirrodin (and technically 3 Kingdoms). However there were 2 hexproof creatures in mirrodin, 1 hexproof creature in ravnica, and 2 hexproof creatures in Lorwyn-Shadowmoor.

Kaladesh block had as many as all those combined.

>>52522281
Ponza uses no fuse or expertise..

>>52522320
Sunforger gets weaker

>>52522320
Fuck wotc for always working to dumb down the game.

>>52521717
Show me an artifact that is better than any of the moxen or black lotus.
A better ritual than dark ritual.
Better lands than duals, tolarian academy, strip mine or library of Alexandria.
Better counters than FoW and mana drain.
Better draw spells than ancestral recall or brainstorm.
Better tutors than vampiric and demonic tutor.
Wewew lad, such powercrip

>>52522320
Oh boy, more shitty rule changes for people who don't even care or worry about such things. I love catering to the lowest common denominator

>>52522380
>>52522428
Speaking of, Shroud getting the boot was exactly that. The excuse being that some players didn't understand that they couldn't target their own creatures.

>>52522440
>Now tell me that old cards are, on average, better than new cards.
>on average
>Cherry picks from the power 9 and a few other busted examples

Confirmed for total fucking retard.

>>52522440
>Better counters than FoW and mana drain.
I can agree with manadrain but FoW should not be with it.

>>52522480
Regenerate might be a better example of WotC gutting effects because underage pack-crackers didn't understand it.

>>52522440
And for each of those examples, there's dozens if not hundreds of examples of old cards being obsoleted by newer ones. Are you so stupid you don't know what "on average" means?

>>52517429
living end almost doubled in price. street wraith also spiked but because of dsj

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Big change to split cards. The Brain in a Jar/Expertise deck just got fucking hosed

>>52522518
>>52522480

>Look how older cards are much more powerful and valuable than modern most played cards
>Look how on yu gi oh last year's deck is completely unplayable.
Such powercrip much bad wow

>>52519165
the curve is awkward. thats mostly it. I know it, I own the deck. it can still pack a punch out of nowhere. aspect of the hydra and vines of vastwood are good cards.

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>>52522592
What did he mean by this?

>>52522440
FoW is not a good card, it's only necessary.

>>52522541
Loam too, but that's a separate cause.

>>52522630
Shh, you'll fry his tiny brain.

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Starting with Amonkhet, we're streamlining split cards a bit. This applies to all split cards, not just the aftermath cards.
Previously, we played a delicate dance when asking about converted mana cost. Sometimes Destined//Lead's CMC is most like 2: Goblin Dark-Dwellers can target it. Sometimes it's more like 4: Transgress the Mind can blorp it. Sometimes it's more like 6: Dark Confidant dings you for 6 if you reveal it.
This rewards players who dig into the rules and figure that out, but it baffles a lot of people, too. So now, it's simple: If Destined//Lead isn't on the stack, it has a converted mana cost of 6. Destined on the stack has a CMC of 2, and Lead on the stack has a CMC of 4, but Destined//Lead, any time it's not one or the other, has CMC 6.
(For the record, I'm not ignoring y'all - I'm working on a larger blurb for the website that'll answer more questions all in one place.)

LMAO MEME DECK KEKS BTFO ETERNALLY

>>52522410
>the worst color combination in edh just got their best card taken away

dont know if i should laugh or sulk

>>52522630
>Necessary isn't good
Yeah, just like the moxen and black lotus aren't good just necessary

>>52522727
LOL what? You're fucking stupid

>>52522727
FoW is only "good" if dying on turns 1 and 2 is a realistic risk or you're executing said kill yourself in blue and don't care about CA. The card literally reads 'Raven's Crime myself, instead of losing now I get to keep playing if my opponent has nothing else.'

>>52522727
I know this is either bait, or you're too stupid to actually understand, but I'll try and explain it for you anyways.

FoW is played in the formats its legal in because 2-for-1ing yourself and losing 1 life is better than getting OTK'd. If FoW was Modern legal, it probably wouldn't see much if any play, or just fill the same niche as Pact of Negation, because the things that make it "good" don't exist in the format, or any formats besides Legacy or Vintage.

>>52522814
Wow, that's right, I have literally never cast a force of will on anything other than a combo piece, you are so smart and good at magic
>Pro tip: You're not actually good at magic and you're a retard.

>>52522843
Force gets boarded out for just about anything you can possibly bring in when you see your opponent isn't playing a degenerate combo deck.

>>52522843
I rest my case.

>>52522719
Poor Boros commanders. I always try to help them out in games of multiplayer EDH.

>>52522320
>This rewards players who know the rules
>We've changed that

>>52522860
No it doesn't, clearly you don't play mtg
I have Leovold BUG built and I literally never cut Force, keep being a retard though.

MtG has actually kept the powercreep down a lot especially when compared to YGO and Pokemon. A lot of Magics best cards are its older ones by far like the OG duals, Wheel of Fortune, Yawgmoths Will etc.,
The only thing thats changed is that creatures went from unplayable garbage to playable threats and I think that overall thats good. And yes while they have dumbed down the game for newer players a lot in recent years they have kept a good balance of power, so that new cards see play but old cards arent always invalidated.

>>52522935
With Leovold BUG you should be cutting Force of Will against non combo decks. At least a few copies.

>>52522939
There's a clear cut off point at the Modern card border for powerful cards. Cards before then were designed to be powerful. Cards after then were only powerful by accident. See: Skullclamp, Arcbound Ravager.

>>52522935
Do you also own cars but no license?

I feel like someone complaining about removing mana burn, but I don't like the split card CMC change.

Sure it simplifies the rules, but you're destroying a couple of fun decks to help... what situation? The only time it ever matters is IN those decks, and who gets upset by that?

Fuck, the first time I got got by Vesuvan Shapeshifter I didn't get pissed off that the rules of Magic were hard, I just said "wow, I had no idea it worked like that. What a cool deck"

>>52522957
Find me one video on youtube of someone cutting down on FoW while playing Legacy.

>>52522939
Depends how you look at it. Creatures have been pushed more than ever before. Is there any old border creature that is still playable?

Stop arguing about Legacy in the Modern thread. No one here knows what they're talking about.

>>52522970
These are the same people that get confused by snapcaster Mage. It's hopeless

>>52522970
They're trying to cut down on the new player feelbads. Well, unless people are playing FNM. If they're at FNM they can expect to get pasted around by 2 expensive decks all evening. But beyond that, no feelbads!

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>>52522970
Oy vey goyim, fucking kill yourself and buy our expensive creatures!

>>52522991
Do you even play legacy? I cut FoW all the time, because the card is garbage on any matchup lasting longer than 4 turns.

>>52523001
Birds of Paradise?

>>52523001
Dark confidant is the only one that comes to mind. To be fair, a lot of creatures around odyssey/invasion and tempest would be awesome in modern but unfortunately the cutoff prevents this

>>52522991
Im not going to waste my time doing that
>>52523001
Nimble Mongoose

>>52523042
Wow what a retarded faggot, please kill yourself. Please show me just a single primer or youtube video where anyone playing a legacy deck cut down on FoW, please just show me a single one.

>>52523065
>Not gonna waste my time
Cause you literally can't you fucking faggot, happens all the time right? Should be done on the very first video you open with a legacy delver matchup right?

>>52523084
I'm not gonna start searching for you to masturbate yourself over. But it just shows to me that apparently there are bad legacy players here, which warms my heart greatly.

>>52523048
Wasn't Confidant from original Ravnica, can it be counted as old border?

>>52523102
You type like a child. Also
>delver and leovold decks are the same
Not even him but just fuck off you cunt

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>>52523118
>Hurr I can't find literally a single person on the entire internet to support my retarded claim so I am right huurrrrrrrr

>>52523084
Here you go, you stupid faggot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYmZxO_Oeb0

And yes, he wins the match 2-1.

>>52523120
>Implying I said they are the same
>Implying I wasn't making a suggestion
Find me 1 single video or primer and I will inhale helium on live stream

>>52523149
See
>>52523139

Enjoy your helium, you autistic retard.

As someone who played competitive YGO for a short time around the time Dragon Ruler was the top deck I can tell you that WotC is at least competent at managing their game and the powercreep. YGO has had a ridiculous complexity and powercreep in the last five years and they also dont understand how to do reprints. They let cards shoot up to $80 then reprint it as a promo in one of those tins shortly after. They errata old cards to change their effect in a competely counterintuitive way and the banned list is a mile long.

>>52523139
>Some autist playing exclusively legacy merfolk on mtgo
>Implying he has any idea what he's doing
epic, simply epic
>inb4 moving the goal posts
You literally posted a fucking basement dwelling retard named Nikachu who has literally no Magic achievment or merit to make me think he is good or understands the game in any way, you can feel like you won, but I'll be more clear, find me a single person who has ever placed in a live paper mtg tournament who would cut FoW

>>52523208
Not even him but that guy came 2nd at a streamed GP not long ago.

>>52523208
>Nikachu who has literally no Magic achievment
Leave. Now. You are a massive retard.

>>52523208
>moving the goalposts

Just because you said "inb4" doesn't change the fact you're doing it. Also: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/player/Nikachu

It's pretty clear you don't know shit about this game, so you'd really do yourself a favor by shutting up right about now.

>>52523208
https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/legacy-food-chain-quick-guide/
Read the sideboard guides, then kill yourself

>>52523271
Man I'm all for cutting Force, but holy shit Food Chain is the last deck I thought would do it considering pitching Griffins is a nothing.

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>>52523208
>Nikachu
>No magic achievement or merit

Holy shit you're actually brain damaged.

>>52523271
>>52523254
>>52523239
>>52523236
>Food Chain
>Merfolk
Ebin, I also side out FoW in my 5 color sliver deck against Legacy Flash Hulk ;)

>>52523317
>IF IT ISN'T ACKNOWLEDGED AS TOP TIER I DON'T CARE
Yup, this is the Modern thread.

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>>52523317
Alright folks, it's clear at this point it's either bait or someone with a sub-90 IQ. Either way, this should be the last (You) you're getting. Don't spend it all in one place, kiddo.

>>52523317
You're defeated. Please move on

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>>52523254
>A few mtgo 5-0s after playing every single day for 5 years
Wow
>>52523316
Where did he place in a paper tournament?

being serious, how good is infect right now?

>>52523341
>LMAO YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE I SAID SO XDDDDD
Great response
>>52523335
Nah man all good, keep cutting FoW from your legacy decks
>Implying you even have a playset
>>52523347
>You're defeated
>Cause some autist from mtgo who streams every single day is shit at magic
Ebin

>>52523374
Unplayable desu

>>52523367
You know that first GP where DSJ broke out a little back and there was 4 copies of it in the top 8 out of 5 entrants? You know what DSJ was against in the finals? Merfolk. Know who was piloting it?

>>52523367
Okay, is it time to destroy this thread as well? I will start posting shitty memes from now on, starting with FoW bait.

>You don't sideboard FoW out

>>52523396
Goodbye

>>52523374
It's okay

>>52523396
I think you are cool. Want to build

>Kithkin deck with me, I think it's going under radar for how powerful it really is! I swear to god I won a tournament with it!

>>52523396
>Asks for a single example of FoW being sided out in a video or primer
>Gets one of each
>Spazzes out and moves the goalposts

Come back after you take your meds, anon.

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>>52523430
>>52523403
>>52523412
>>52523428
Post your paper playset of FoW or you have no right to talk about Legacy

>>52523430
Hey don't talk shit to my boy. You are probably one of those idiots who think

>Mox opal isn't vintage power level card!

What a douchebag.

>>52523430
>food chain and fish
Ebin great decks
>>52523403
Oh didn't know that was legacy

>>52523459
I sold most of my cards already, because I rather drink 200 dollars worth of booze and kill my liver than keep that value in cardboard.

>Besides, I stand for your point. FoW everything and then sphinx's rev for 15. Best counter strategy of all time.

>>52523501
>Doesn't own FoW
Discarded

>>52523459
I'm not at home you raging autist. This is a new level of moron

>>52523528
>Doesn't own FoW
>And is a liar
Discarded

>>52523317
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmkg7i51Pq4
Reid Duke playing Leovold BUG, same deck you play.

>>52523517
Not playing discard into reanimate.

>Liliana control is not a control card. Jund is midrange deck!
>Liliana is a control card. Shardless BUG is not a midrange deck!

>>52523545
Just because you never leave your basement doesn't mean I'm a liar. Lmao

>>52523558
Lmao that fluke lost at San antonio playing the most busted deck and he boards out FoW??

PFFFFFTHHHAAAHAAA

>>52523558
>b...b..but he's a s.s...scrub!

>>52523459
>Chinaman glossiness front FoW

I can identify Chinaman proxies miles away due to their noticeable unsleeved glossiness

Post a real FoW faggot

>>52523459
Implying you are not taking pictures of

>Chinamen chink chonk printed cards. Second hand market for magic cards is dead!

>>52523600
Shame we don't see this argument more often desu

Let's try it out desu

>>52523459
I-I-I d-don't sideboard FoWs o-out.
What a fucking pleb.

>No one in this thread except the person who is right has Force of Wills
Interesting

>>52523702
Loving all your double posts. Have you always been so needy for attention?

>>52523702
No FoWs in a modern thread? Gee, I wonder why.

>Legacyfags coming to shit on modern thread because Legacy is dead and their own thread is dead.

>>52523702
>No one in this thread thinks spergo is right except himself
>Having physical copies of a card grants some special insight into its utility and ways to use it
Interesting

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>>52523729
>>52523727
>>52523724
>Too poor to afford Legacy
>Thinks their opinions matter
Maybe if you were intelligent enough to make money you would understand how to play mtg

>>52523729
Not to mention doubleposting himself to expand dong.

>Also not going to pauper thread instead of modern. Pauper is at least legacy power level format just suitable for him.

>>52523749
>Buys real magic cards. Buys into legacy.
>Doesn't know how to play the game
Interesting

Also
>Tron is a ramp deck. Tron is not a control deck. Tron is an aggro deck. Tron is good against burn.

Report and ignore the retard. They've dragged this general through the mud long enough.

That being said, do you guys think any of the spoiled cards so far are going to have an impact on modern?

>>52523810
>Report this retard who is right
>Do any of the spoiled cards that are clearly fucking trash have any chance in modern
Ebin

>>52523810
Oh no, I'm going all in this shit. It feels like every time I open modern thread it's already trash. Might as well go along for the ride. Every single time the suggestions are either wrong or bad. Every single deck is somewhat weird or fucked up. There is always some retard (like, uh, me?) shitposting.

It's as if anynomous board doesn't work at all, because all it needs is one guy with too much time to drag it into mud.

That being said, might check those cards out if there is anything that seems usable.

>I wish there was FoW reprint, it would save modern.

>>52523810
Nah. Honestly they all were trash. Might be something better in the coming days.
However, they usually spoil the best right away so I'm not optimistic

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s-someone rate my bad budget brew pls

>>52522320
Good. I was sick of having to explain to people how split cards worked.

>>52523904
It really is too bad, there's maybe a couple cards I could see making it into meme decks, but that's it.

At least MM3 has some decent reprints? I mean, ignoring the fact they're stuck in a """premium""" set.

>>52523928
You'd probably be better off going with an actual budget deck, then a budget version of something established. People are going to be siding for the real thing, and will absolutely trash your lesser version, whereas less seen decks can get by due to lack of match up knowledge and sideboard hate.

>>52523904
>implying wotc even knows which cards are good and therefore worth spoiling early

>>52523810
the demon that got spoiled already is very likely going into living end.

embalm and exert seem like they could be powerful but none of the spoiled cards with those mechanics seem playable

>>52523810
The cycling lands will probably spawn a bunch of durdly brews with Loam or Crucible. Modern is so fast these days I don't think any of them will be successful though.

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>>52522546
When does this take effect? There's some fat autist at my LGS who isn't me that plays naya bird brain and I'm gonna call the Judge on him cause I am 100% sure he has not and will not hear about this and will continue to play it, please tell me this takes effect before Friday.

>>52523985
The Molten Vortex Loam deck honestly just got a lot better. It already had some very respectable matchups, but just got some mad lategame. Now your lands are not only Shocks, but also have cycling.

>>52523985
It's true, if you can't goldfish on average in 5 turns or less, your deck probably isn't worth running.

How can I make Sultai work in modern?

>>52524108
I'm running a BUG Death's Shadow Delve deck that works and is pretty fun.

>>52524108
You change u for either w or r

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Give me One (1) reason to board out a card as powerful as FoW

Protip: You can't

>>52524155
Ebin XDDDD

>>52524121
I'm not too big on Death's Shadow but I imagine it could be decent

I've seen a few brews focusing on delirium and Transverse for situational 1 ofs and that looks interesting

>>52524155
Why must you hurt me this way? I just want to play the objectively best 3 color combo.

>>52524121
>I'm running GBx and winning games
Gee who would've thought.

>>52524204
It's Really more UBg

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>>52523749
>having fun circlejerking with himself

man having special needs sounds reallyfun

>>52524159
For decks like Delver and Miracles that can really leverage the tempo swing, it's not always a great idea, but if I'm taking BUG or Stoneblade up against something like Jund, those FOWs are coming out ASAP.

>>52524226
>>52524227

Do not give the retard attention. Report and ignore.

>>52523982

probably, but it only works when he's already in play and you rarely cycle as much when you already land a living end anyway.

i don't think it'll make too much of a functional difference

>>52524250
I'm not breaking any rules you assblasted retard. Just because you're bad at magic and don't like my posts blowing you the fuck out doesn't mean you can submit false reports

>>52524021
sorry mate it'll probably work by amonkhet relase

>>52524250
>The retard is talking about magic
>While you violate the rules with autistic screeching and non arguments
Makes me think

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How much mana would it need to cost to be OP in modern?

>>52524255
I'm more excited because of FLYING
I'm replacing my jungle weavers for him immediately

>>52524250
fuck you i'll use any excuse to use that picture

>>52524274
(You)

>>52524295
1 Blue

>>52524300
yeah but that's pretty much the difference

>>52524310
fuck me. Meant balanced.

>>52524255
I know, but its an upgrade from jungle weaver like anon here said >>52524300

>>52524303
not an argument

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>>52524390
But force of will should (You)

>>52524274
>my posts blowing you the fuck out
>>52524390
>not an argument

>waving his dick everywhere
>still doesn't have a counterpoint to this >>52524227
You're a fucking joke, dude

>>52524346
i'm just really sad living end will be hyped up and i won't afford to build it anymore

>>52524447
same. fulminators going from 15 to 40 overnight is ridiculous

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Say something nice about fire doggo

>>52524649
It'd be a great card if the format was slower.

>>52524447
Just started buying my my pieces today

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Does anyone also run Junk? I love the idea of a true 50-50 deck that has game vs combo. What are your builds?

Currently torn between running the hierarch/flayer/artifact and hierarch/flayer/confidant builds. What do?

Counterspell would be unplayable in modern.

Reprint daze.

>>52524822
Counterspell would be fine in modern, and would very likely replace all the 2CMC conditional counters in the format.

Daze would also be nice, and the two together would go a very long way to enabling true control in the format.

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>>52524822

>>52524844
Throw in Force Spike and I think Blue Control would be a (real) thing.

>>52524822
>Reprint daze.
>>52524844
>Daze would also be nice, and the two together would go a very long way to enabling true control in the format.
The way things are currently going, Daze would just slot into some Death's Shadow meme deck.
>Fetch, Shock
>Daze, return Shock
>Shock again
and so on

>>52524847
it's backwards you baka fucking gaijin

>>52524897
Read it right to left like a true nihonjin, you filthy fucking waitto piggu.

>>52524882
yeah daze is to good for deaths shadow. fucking protection for your DS and repeated pump? fuck no

>>52524822
Please don't reprint good counter spells.
Blue is already fucked from multiple angles. Giving them one big high-visibility card will just stir the Timmies up and push any more help for Blue back by years.

Strong but currently unplayed cards are what Blue needs to return. Send to Sleep is mindbogglingly good at recovering against BGx
Blue just needs another year of this support before WotC gives them something strong and highly visible.
The only way to Make Blue Great Again is to sneak it past the oppressive Timmy audience.

>>52524941
>Wahh I wanna be able to tap my creatures and combo off without thinking!

>>52524967
Who are you quoting?

>>52524941
Another problem is that Tron makes true control improbable.

Reprinting wasteland would go a long way towards bringing blue back.

>>52524982
Fuck off anti-tronfag. Waiting a few hours doesn't make anyone forget about you.

>>52524912
F-fuck!
*commits sudoku*

>>52524941
All that proper counterspell would do is unify all the weird splits of conditional two mana counters most control decks run (ie Leak/Countersquall in Grixis or Logic Knot/Negate in Esper or Leak/Remand in UWR) into a solid 4-of Counterspell, improving consistency and late game performance.

>>52524982
Tron is actually not a horrible matchup for Esper Control. You can still get wrecked by T3 Karn, T4 Ulamog, but if the Tron player goes any slower you have a decent chance of weathering all his threats and winning. They don't have the absolute inevitability they did when they ran Eye/Emrakul.

>>52525020
Though you are a filthy cur, your sacrifice will maintain your family's honor.

>>52525009
At some point, you're going to have to accept that there are more anti tronfags than tronfags, by a significant margin.

>>52524936
They'd need to run islands

>>52525043
There aren't though. It's just a few retards that are too dumb to deal with the deck. inb4 "nooo its jus anoyin!!1", if you could deal with it you wouldn't be complaining.

how do the matchups work in the team GPs? Like are the matchups just random? Seems kind of bullshit that you can just get 3 bad matchups

>>52525062
But anon, I hate tron too.

>>52525078
Don't they just pick seats as team from 1-3, which get seated against.

>>52525090
So burn can get matched against tron and tron can get matched angainst Jund and the team just auto loses?

>>52525062
>if you have a good matchup against tron, you aren't allowed to hate it for being the least interactive deck in the format.

>>52525161
>Tron
>least interactive

This is how I know you're shit, kid.

So since wotc changed the rules around fuse cards, does that mean escalate cards are also affected?

If I cast blessed alliance with two options does it mean it's now 4 CMC spell?

>>52525187
(You)

>>52525187
no

>>52525194
Thanks for the you but on a more serious note.

What?

>>52525226
>>52522320

Why are you asking questions about escalate when you don't even know what the changes to fuse cards are?

>>52525226
>What?
He thinks your question is so retarded you must be trolling

>>52516206
>Loam spike
Son of a BITCH, I fucking needed some of these too

>>52525171
>slam big threats after I goldfish for my fast mana
>interactive
Just because you occasionally reset the board doesn't make your stupid timmy deck interactive. These threads have hated on Tron for a while now so you must be trolling or new, possibly both.

>>52525284
>Welcome to Modern, where everything you want is banned or having a price spike

I was grabbing cards just last weekend and decided to put Living End off for now. RIP me.

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>>52524649
I love it to death in Pauper, were the cantrips are good and the land are cheap. Best $50 I ever spent on Magic.

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>>52525318
>wanted to build Reanimator or whatever it's called
>yet another huge Breach spike
>to the point where a set is out of my budget
>mfw some Legacy decks are less expensive than Modern now
RIP my dreams of doing fun combo shit in Modern

>>52525353
>>mfw some Legacy decks are less expensive than Modern now
Have things really gotten that bad?

>>52525395
buy your Frontier staple now :^)
CoCo is still holding at $13, and that's literally the only card you'll ever need for any winning deck ever.

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>>52525412
>mfw have 90% of Bant Company built in case frontier takes off

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Why couldn't Sultai Charm just hit any creature and actually be a playable card?

>>52525489
Blue is not allowed to be good.

>>52525489
Charms that have one or more modes equivalent to their CMC are usually very good, and WotC doesn't like to make good UG or UB cards.

>>52525395
To be fair, they're lesser played combo decks, but Belcher and 12 Post are less expensive than DSJ and Junk. Belcher is also a fucking insane deck for crazy people, it's so fast

>>52525489
Even if it said
>Destroy target creature
>Destroy target artifact or enchantment
>Draw two cards
K Command would probably still be better

>>52525569
Commands versus charms, anon.
I believe the design department demanded that charms be worse, to match the weakness of the khans and the strength of the dragons (commands) that replaced them.

Terrible decision if I'm correct.

>>52525569
>destroy target creature
>destroy target artifact/enchantment
>draw 2
>instant speed
Almost on par with Esper charm desu

>>52525500
This 100%. MaRo has a documented hate of Blue, and it's unlikely the color will ever be playable outside of one deck or a splash until he's gone.

>>52525617
It would probably be better than Esper Charm, actually. Hitting artifacts is huge and extra removal is better than discard in most cases.

>>52525617
That's better than Esper Charm in a lot of scenarios. I'd say it's at least on par.

>>52525536
>...and WotC doesn't like to make good U cards

FTFY

>>52525688
>...Johnny doesn't crack packs the way Timmy does

FTFY

>>52525569
I disagree, I think it would be just as good as kommand, just wouldn't have a deck

>>52525665
I'm not sure man, I play Esper Draw-Go and that instant speed mindrot is backbreaking for a lot of decks especially paired with snap. Probably on par desu, it comes down to mindrot vs kill spell and the sultai would be able to hit artifacts too. It'd be interesting to see if it would spawn a sultai deck like esper charm

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Is it just me or is the powerlevel of sets really going down? Like what do we get, a couple playable cards a set if at all? Seems like original Ravnica, original Zendikar, original Innistrad were all a lot more powerful and had way better cards.

>>52525730
>tfw sultai charm will literally never be good
I think the midrange deck it would be in would be different. Reprint Shardless agent desu

>>52525777
TRips confirm

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Budget 8whack Goblins as well as Green Stompy; thoughts?

Denizen will obviously be replaced with Guide once I get my hands on a playset.

>>52525788
>thoughts?
Get a job

Why cant I seem to win with Abzan? I doesn't seem like I'm misplaying, it just feels like everything else I'm doing is less powerful than the rest of the format.

>>52525754
Uh.
>Tarkir block
>Treasure Cruise, Dig Through Time, CoCo, K command and A command,
>Temur Battlerage, Siege Rhino, Monastery Swiftspear, and Become Immense all to a lesser extent

I might even be missing a few.
The issue is that most of what I listed is all crammed into Rare slots mostly. We've lost the combo-piece commons/uncommons and the conditional beaters at the same rarity. At best we had Swiftspear, but that arguably needs more setup than Delver, although the payoff is better.

>>52525813
I think you have that backwards, no? Delver requires more setup, but has better payoff.

>>52525813
Khans is the exception, Theros, BFZ, and Kaladesh were full of junk, aside from a couple Eldrazi which ended up being broken in eternal formats by Temple, Eye, and the other Sol lands.

>>52525802
I just want to have fun throwing big and efficient things around, is that too much to ask?

>>52525788
Kuldotha goblins with burning tree emisary.

Pack memnites for more value and some eggs with rituals

>>52525848
Yes

>>52525848
>fun
Get out

>>52525836
You're right, yeah. Swiftspear can slot into Burn, Prowess attempts, or Kiln Fiend (RIP).
Delver mainly just has delver.

How is Free Wins Red holding up?

what's the most FUN deck that runs 4 aether vial?

>>52525956
Fish

>>52525956
Eldrazi and Taxes

>>52525840
BFZ/OGW might have been better than you give it credit for, although it was a definite split between absolute dogshit and elder gods. I gather that Standard players hated it.
Thoughtknot Seer and a few others work just fine without the lands however.
Third Innistrad had some working cards, most entirely in Green except for the Escalate ones unfortunately.
Kaladesh was bad, no argument. That's what happens when two gimmick mechanics get pushed.

But I'm inclined to say that nostalgia is definitely at play in this conversation. Most sets can sample up a half dozen Modern usable cards. It's just that what becomes staples ends up loaded in one block while others are duds.

>>52525956
Merfolk

Why is Tooth and Nail considered control?

>>52526026
>merfolk
>fun
>le cast lords.dec
Nah

>>52525856
Thanks anon, I'll keep all that in mind. I'm trying to stay as goblin tribal as possible, but branching out into Kuldotha goblins also looks nice.

>>52525886
>>52525899
no u

>>52526059
It's essentially a control deck with a combo kill.

>>52526062
>you
>straight
>sucking ducks nonstop
Nah

>>52526096
>fish
>straight
Anon.
Post a single masculine fish that's at least legacy legal and I'll drop it.

>>52525956
RUG
>Flash in eternal Witness with AV, return remand, bounce their spell and draw a card
>tempo.deck

>>52526096
>my g-g-gay merfolk deck is totally cool guys!!!
>I-I-I d-d-don't s-s-suck fish dick
yeah

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>>52526096
>tfw you see a thicc succulent duck

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>>52526124

>>52526144
merfolk players.gif

>>52526082
Seems more heavy on the combo side. Ramp like a maniac, drop huge bombs

>>52526201
"combo" is typically taken to mean something that wins the game on the spot, or otherwise goes infinite, as with Grand Architect and Pili-Pala. Card synergy is just card synergy.
Dredge might have been reliant on Narcomoeba, Bloodghast and Amalgam working together, but that's not much of a combo.

My magic group is starting to change from Legacy to Modern and i wanted to ask you guys what's the most similar deck to Show and Tell on modern

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>>52526131

>>52526303
Twin

It's banned

>>52526303
Some sort of through the breach deck most likely.

>>52526303
G R I S H O A L B R A N D

>>52526121
>remand
Cryptic you dork

>>52526365
Or that

>>52525590

It wasn't a thematic choice it was a mechanical choice

The charms are an uncommon, not a rare cycle

>>52526635
Counterpoint: rarity is decided when balancing for draft, which comes near the end of the development cycle.

For some unknown and unagreed reason, they decided to print Commands stronger than Charms.

>>52520684
>>52520696

You were saying?

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>>52525788
>Young Wolf
>Dryad Militant in the side instead of the main
>20 forests and no Treetop Village
>No removal in the entirety of the 75
>4 Unravel the Aether
>No Heroic Intervention to stop boardwipes
>No Thrun
>3 Obstinate Baloth
It's like you looked at the deck and decided you purposefully wanted to make it shit.

>>52524649
Im sorry you lost your phyrexian pump

>>52527079
*even more shit

He's also missing finks

Hello, I quit following the scene just a little bit before the release of the new Innistrad block, may I ask in what kind of position lantern control is right now? It is my favourite archetype. I Know it wan't the top even before.

>>52527415
Congratulations, your deck got upgrades in the form of a G/B Fastland and a bird that acts as a shitty Ancient Stirrings that only digs 4 deep and only for artifacts.

>>52527492
I'm scared by this.

Please further.

>>52527415
it just took down a GP recently and the deck has become more streamlined with some of the newer cards like inventor's fair, the fastland, bird and collective brutality.

You have 2 lists right now, the BG version and the sultai version and both have their merits. Overall as a Lantern player I'd say the deck's in a good place right now if you enjoy playing it.

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Is this playable in a CoCo shell?

>>52527801
Dies to fatal push :^)

>>52527896
Step up your memes.
>play Phyrexian Soulgorger
>gets Pacified

and then I scooped.

>>52527964
Just sac it to itself

>>52527896
>Not playing Fling in response

Anon please.

>>52528289
>growing my death's shadow by 8
Thanks :^)

>>52528333
>implying you didn't go to 4 like a greedy boy

Is tehre a point to brewing at all, besides wasting money? Or in MTGGoldfish case, make money. Seems like every FNM, PPTQ and even small local tournaments are running netdecks.

>>52528333
Dies to Fatal Push :^)

>>52528372
>greedy boy
Why go to 4 when you'll do it for me :^)

>>52525754
Eldrazi is still around. And with Walking Ballista, Eldrazi evolved again to E-Tron.

The older decks like Zoo, Jund, Azban, U/W control, etc died off from the new beat down cards.

Knightfall for some reason was played in the modern team unified.