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Who else plays Blackshields?

How do you run them?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

is this a decent 2500 point custodes list? planning on deepstriking everything but the dreads and dick bikes

Shield Captain
Praesidium Shield
Digital Lasers
Cyner Familiar
Paragon Spear
Teleportation Transponder
Tribune

Sentinal Squad
+1 Custode
Power Gauntlet x1
Teleportation Transponders
Magisterium Vexilla


Sentinal Squad
+1 Custode
Power Gauntlet x1
Teleportation Transponders
Magisterium Vexilla

Contemptor Achillus
Dreadspear

Hetaeron Guard
+2 Hetaeron Guard
Praesidium Shield
Solerite Gauntlet x3
Pyrithite Spear x2
Teleportation Transponders

Agamatus Jetbike
Twin Linked Corvae Las-Pulser

Agamatus Jetbike
Twin Linked Corvae Las-Pulser

Contemptor Galatus Dreadnought

How would you build an Iron Hands heavy Meduson shattered legions list?

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Help me decide legion pls.

Im torn between DA, Ultramarines, IF, IW, DG, WE, AL or maybe even Sons of Horus but I'm unsure.

I have no fucking clue to be honest. I just want a legion without conflicting color schemes or anachronical units for a set color scheme

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Posting my slow work on my Thousand sons. Tamiya clear red is amazing, but super finicky and expensive. I'm all out and no store in town has it in stock.

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>>52522576
Damn, ignore the 8mb of death, wrong image. Heres the optimized version

Is there any tamiya white color I can use to achieve metallic/pearl white effect?

>>52522616
What on earth is going on with those bases?

>>52522840
Blue tack so I can paint them with an airbrush before I transfer them to custom resin bases. Don't want red all over white marble.

>>52522863
Makes sense. I am going to have a rough assed time with my Sons of Horus, I based my boys when I built them, now painting the fucking things is gunna be a nightmare.

>>52522570
> please help choose my legion from EIGHT CHOICES
Get out.

>>52522863
> white marble bases with cherry red TS
I see you are an anon of exceptional taste.
Carry on

Shit didn't realize there was new bread. Asking >>52523164 again here I guess

>>52522266
I do. I haven't played a game yet, it obviously varies based on what option you take. I'm taking option 1 chymeraie and am relying on blobs backed by medusae and Leviathan Dreadnaughts.

>>52523296
Also playing option 1 Chymeriae with blob squads, though I'm using air support, a Scorpius, and a Cataphractii spearhead as the core of my force. That said, I experimented with option 2... but I can't justify Leadership 6.

So after reviewing the crusade imperialis book, imperial militia definitely can't take a stormlord, they can't use the generic lord of war list from before.

So that leaves me with my only options for ogryns in an assault transport as: dark compliance, or an allied detachment. I could ally with solar auxilia, but auxilia lasrifles are considerably worse than militia grenadiers, because grenadiers get 3+ saves and S4 lasrifles.

So I guess I have to stick with dark compliance for my list so I can take a stormlord and shove ogryns in it. Not sure if I should just take the bare minimum space marine HQ so I can run it as militia + some marine vehicles, or if I should make more use of the marine component.

>>52523457
>So that leaves me with my only options for ogryns in an assault transport as

Have them jump on another unit's Gorgon dedicated transport.

>>52523557
Not an assault transport.

>>52522570
But all those armies are Alpha Legion. I don't see the problem here.

Jokes aside, of those choices my favorite would have to be DG for dat phosphex

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>>52522179
"Have you lost your temper, Roboute?"

"I am going to gut you."

"You have lost your temper."

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>>52523225
I'm not very good at details, and my impatience is devastating, but I'm trying to take my time with these guys.

Thank you for reassuring my choices. Next choice are for gold trim across the whole force, or silver for the mooks.

>>52523230
Battlescribe is retarded. Idk what they did to it, but it also way overcosts jetbikes for command squads, enough that I was able to leave it off of my HQ and was still 5 points over, according to them. Do the math yourself, check to see if anything else in your list is broken, then just have it on the app to view the list itself.

>>52524288
>u mad bro?
>chaosfags think this is top banter

When adding a stormlord as a lord of war to a space marine force, do I use the Escalation stormlord or the Crusade Imperialis stormlord? It doesn't specify.

Escalation one is cheaper, Crusade Imperalis one has heavy bolters instead of stubbers, can get armored ceramite, and has explorator upgrade.

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Is this salvageable?

>>52525155

everything is salvageable when it's looted!

>>52525155

Where theres glue, theres a way.

>>52525155
As battlefield debris maybe.

So I bought that big humble bundle with the 15$ option
which books should I read?

>>52525272

None of them.

>>52525278
please no

>>52525272
Of that bunch only books 1-5, A Thousand Sons, Nemesis, The First Heretic, and Prospero Burns are worth reading.

>>52525322
ah well, mightve had to pay 10$ each at best for a physical copy, so could be worse

>>52525155
Suppose I got that from FW and contact them for a replacement. How should I describe it's condition in plain terms? I'm not good at English.

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I am making a beautiful and wonderful mistake.

>>52525363
Tell them your pieces have very significant mold shift that is beyond repair, and attach a picture of it.

>>52525272
Assuming you don't prostrate yourself before a 2nd ed alter daily:

Top Tier:
Horus Rising, A Thousand Sons, The First Heretic, Prospero Burns

Good Tier:
False Gods, Galaxy in Flames, Flight of the Eisenstein, Fulgrim, Legion

Meh Tier: Mechanicum, the half of Fallen Angels set on Caliban, Nemesis

Heresy Tier: Descent of Angels, Battle for the Abyss, The half of Fallen Angels set in space

Try each story in the anthology, skip to the next if you hate the first several pages.

>>52525155
I've had some pretty poorly casted FW stuff in the past, if you email them with photos they'll often send you a replacement.

Although if that's from a friendly chinaman you're shit out of luck

Oh, it's the latter. Is the slip actually too much to try and fix? Considering the price, I'm not terribly worried, but still.

How many Dreadclaws is too many?

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>>52526142
No such thing, I'm afraid.

>>52525372

You're not actually making MKIIB venerable land raiders, are you? That would be extremely silly.

>>52522759
I don't kknow about tamiya, but I use pearlescent paint from an art shop. I'm not a great painter and so it goes on a little thick (watering it down is tricky). I do the usual dark grey, light grey, white highlight then put the pearl over the top.

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>>52522570

play Ultramarines, best chapter AND best legion

>>52526294
Why would it be? They're Horus Heresy accurate and fit the theme.

>>52526668

Except there are no venerable land raiders in 30k.

>>52524392
>silver for the mooks.
TS bro here, you have all my good vibes for your painting projects and for not just doing the gold almost everyone else is now TS are hot.

But if you want to be maximum fluffy white/silver/ivory trim is usually used for vets, with command ranks reversing it. However, that's just me saiyan, you obv don't have to do that etc etc.
Best of luck with your dudes.

>>52526192

Should I order some Dreadclaw parts then? I have one claw already, but I also have 2 unopened drop pods. I play Night Lords, so I was planning on using the pods for a Terror Assault.

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>>52526716
>>52524392
To illustrate. And yes, I'm a bad painter, apologies. Admittedly these aren't finished (not that they'll get any better beyond the tidying up they need) and it's also a snap taken under a ceiling light, excuses etc. But posting to show that TS don't just have to be gold trim.
This is based on the armourial plate from Inferno and also a little bit of personal preference.
L to R
Senior command, Vet, Line Legionary, Line Sgt.

>>52522179
>No one still hasn't made a Perturabo version of this image regarding the Iron Cage
I'd do it myself but I'm too lazy.

>>52526936

Perturabo didn't really plan anything besides forts and bulwarks (because thats all he really knows). If anything, he was probably expecting it to be his last siege ever and wanted to make the most of a gory ending - assuming Dorn didn't bomb the shit out of him.

But instead, Dorn turned Pert and his legion into a masturbatory aid. Pert got to be a daemon prince for his troubles, but what fun has he had really? Hes been playing with legos for 10k years, hoping for the day Abaddon makes good on his promise to get him back to Terra to siege Dorn's palace one more time for good ol' times sakes.

Dorn died happy, knowing the scions of his legion to be worthy, fighting in the service of the Emperor. But Pert? How could he possibly be pleased with being a bored daemon prince?

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>>52525450
> top tier Prospero Burns, or rather Dan Hacknett attempts to copy style of much better author and shoehorn book into the series
Pic related

>>52527053
>Sharpe in space
>Battle of Britain in space
>Greek myths in space
>Arab and Old English tales in space
>Iain M Banks in..space. Wait.

All brought to you through the filter of Dune.
Give him his due, they're still better than the 'original' frameworks of some of the other novels.

>people say Prospero Burns just rips off 13th Warrior
>which was based on Eaters of the Dead
>which ripped off Ibn Fadlan's Risala and Beowulf
>when Hawser was meming on Ibn Rustah's travel compendium
>when Hawser is a meme of Kaspar Hauser
>which is called out in the book by an incredulous Thousand Son

we need to go deeper

>>52527278

The Horus Heresy is based on the legend of King Arthur. Theres no need to pretend this story has to retain any hint of originality.

>>52527387
Agreed. Which is why it's funny when people act faux-outraged about something in the setting being based on something, when the whole thing up to the parent 40K universe has been since it's inception a conglomeration of influences from existing material blended together to create something new.

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>>52527387
>the legend of King Arthur.
Yeah, no you got the wrong old story that this is based off of.

>>52527437
Isn't that the whole point of 40k? Taking a hodge-podge of stuff and maxing it out to absurdity all while set to death metal blaring in the background.

>>52527387
>The Horus Heresy is based on the legend of King Arthur
You mean Jesus

>>52527506
Pretty much. One of the reasons why it's accessible and enjoyable.
Personally I like spotting where all the shit comes from. It's also worth remembering that while it's all technically intentional, half the time it's intentionally intentional. Folding other stuff into new stories is a thing. At the very least, it makes kids or whatever go and wiki Paradise Lost or Beowulf.

Of couse, it can go wrong. McNeil has got to the point where he explains his refs in case you're dense, and Kyme's version of the Odyssey was worse than what I imagine anyone here could plot out given the task.

>>52526622
Any pic? I'd like to see how it gonna be seen on miniatures.

>>52526680
>Implying he won't just use Horus Heresy equipment in 40k
>Maybe even ally in LR to 30k

>>52527496
Battle for the abyss was ridiculously funny
>Ultramarine has a bad dream
>Convinces a Navy flotilla and elements from three different legions to check out the closet

>>52527496
This list is also acceptable, if you want a full-series scope.

Deliverance Lost and Vengeful Spirit being that high rustles my jimmies, however.

>>52527613
Wat

>>52525155
cut the bitches in half and glue it correctly

>>52527635
Well, basically an Ultramarine has a premonition about a Word Bearers plot to blow up macragge. He then scrapes together like 4 navy ships, a few thousand sons, some space wolves and takes his own troops to check it. All based on a dream. Ridiculous smooth talkers, those Ultramarines.

>>52527635
That's probably the shortest and still most accurate description of the plot.

>>52527686
>CHA 20

Are Battle for the Abyss and Know No Fear revolves around about same time?

>>52527765
They find out in KNF that the Abyss plot failed.

>>52527763
>Ultramarine Stat adjustments
+4 Cha
-494 Worlds

Thuntard Warrior Faggot here, Outcast Dead was amazeballs. Ovr nd out.

>>52527841
Actually the worst non-Tripfag post I've ever seen in this general. I salute your appalling personality, anon. Keep on rolling.

>>52527496
Why is Scars lower than Path of Heaven?

>>52528021
Coz Emperor's Children are better than Space Wolves.

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>>52528019
Different Anon here, I liked it. It wasn't a great story but I had more fun reading it then Fear to Tread.
Talking about that, how would you go about with a Counts-as Thunder Warriors army would you just play Space Marines without a Legion, Black Shields, or Custodes?

If I want to make assault termies, am I better off with Tarts, or are Catas still better?

>>52528247

Depends on what your legion is.

>>52528019
Bless you.

It's parody, or at least that's what I was going for.

>>52528221
Blackshield Chymeraie option one make the most sense. Additional strength and toughness, lose initiative and the ability to sweeping advance. Cannot take any Legion as allies.

>>52528294

Night Lords, so I can just Deepstrike them.

>>52522454
Anyone have any opinions on this?

I 100% want a pyroclast squad, probably in a land raider. I'm not sure what to field raven guard with, maybe infiltrate up a tactical support squad or a mor deythan squad. My tactical marines will be iron hands, and whatever squad I put meduson in will be iron hands though I don't know what yet. Maybe a melee command squad, or some immortals.

>>52522616
>>52522576
just use nuln oil gloss m9

>>52528649
Oh, and I'd be doing After Istvaan, so my troops would be veterans. Probably in rhinos.

What are some vehicles I could use to leverage the salamanders flamers? Heavy flamer land speeders?

>>52527613
Better than that Corax short story where he hears that he was saved by a premonition and jumps to the conclusion that his survival was part of Chaos' plan

>>52527618
What was wrong with Vengeful Spirit?

>>52527140
That sounds cringy as fuck if you me. I just want marines, not fucking earth tales on space vol. 4-15

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Anyone got pic related?

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>>52529287
>literally black Salamanders

>>52529287
>Meduson's still alive
aw yeeee

>>52529324
We don't know that, the book's basically Meduson + the Seventh Serpent with the short stories Hand Elect and Unspoken added in.

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>>52529287

Woohoo look at all those sweet headshot kills I'm about to get.

>>52529351
oh, bummer
usually I'm all for keeping HH/40k cryptic, but I need me some closure of my niggas Meduson and Vhalen

> Furious Abyss destroyed with a great sacrifice of the Loyalist
> Lorgar: It's ok, we have 2 more anyway lol

> the Beast got killed with a great sacrifice of Vulkan
> the Beast: Tis o-k. We hav 6 moar Prime-Orks.
> Oh, also that Beast survived after all

History repeating itself or BL being BL?

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>>52529599
Why doesn't BL just assign novels for characters/races/chapters/legions etc to writers that aren't massive fanboys of the aforementioned character/race/etc?

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>>52529079
Everyone in this book is an idiot
>Horus-don't-waste-troops-on-Istvaan-3-Lupercal risks planetfall on Molech despite how much of a risk it puts him at and how much harder it will make the campaign
>The tactical genius that is Horus Lupercal is almost immediately killed by a Knight Titan, but is saved at the last possible moment by forces both beyond his control and that he wasn't aware of
>Horus stands around while Loken and co. are fighting the mournival instead of killing them. He then lets Loken make a big speech about how he's going to take him down instead of killing him
>"Fuck the Warp" Mortarion sacrifices the deathshroud because daemons told him to (Wraight's short released later does not excuse this)
>Abaddon's gravelly voice is explained by him being burned one time

It's hard to take seriously when the alleged demigods are making such stupid decisions just to set up le epic setpiece.

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>>52529845
So true. Just look at Savage Weapons and the Prince of Crows prologue. The best Dark Angels stuff we got so far.

>>52529845
Then it's even worse because they'll bring in the faction they fanboy regardless of collateral damage to the book.

>>52529845
ADB wrote about Lorgar and Angron because they were the leftovers no-one wanted. He wanted to write about Signus Prime or Prospero, but both were already reserved for other authors.

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>>52529850

>>52527496
Wait, why is Outcast Dead considered shitty?

>>52529850
>Horus-don't-waste-troops-on-Istvaan-3-Lupercal risks planetfall on Molech despite how much of a risk it puts him at and how much harder it will make the campaign

Yeah but all primarchs lead from the front because of plot armour

Why is there so much hate to ADB?

>>52530062
>dude chaos wins lmao

Though I did like what he did with Angron and even Lorgar

>>52525224
>>52527678
Found the plastic fags that have never done resin kits bigger than infantry upgrades (or got exceptionally lucky)

>>52522301
Needs tanks badly.

>>52528701
I do. Its what I used for my ahriman test model and it looks beautiful. Still need another coat of clear red before that, there are still gold spots showing up on the models.

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Would you let me play Land Raiders in my Custodes army? I'd ally them in with IF or something if it wasn't ok to just run them by themselves

Can you take a LOW not found in the same rulebook?

Like if I wanted to take a Psi-Titan with my Ultramarines for example.

>>52526903
>>52526716
This helps me immensely, thank you so much! Your dudes are looking wonderful.

It might be taboo, but I'm planning on mixing armor marks in squads. Squad sergeants will be in Mk.IV with the Achean upgrades to stand out with artificer armor against my mk.iii mooks. Veterans will be in Mk.IV with the normal TS upgrade bits, and I'm thinking about using the 40k Scarab occult models for tartaros Sekhmet if I can shave off the Tzeentchian symbols and bird motifs everywhere.

>>52530573
Go for it anon it doesn't look like a bad idea to me

How bad is Exodus? Should I use a Saboteur instead, and if so, what loadout should I use?

>>52530564
Rules for LoWs can be found in the red legion army list book.

>>52530615

He sucks noodles. Way to expensive and can't pen a thing.
Saboteur should go in naked except for a Combi-Melta.
(Or run 2 Saboteurs plus Dynat ... )

What merit does resin have over platic?

I prefer platic because of less mold slip issue and more bits/replacements (in case I lose something or screw up) can be found online. What's your opinion?

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>>52530710
>What merit does resin have over platic?
It can be used to make more detailed sculpts.

>>52530710
Plastic is better overall but resin gives better detail. That's all.

>>52530710

Sharper details, less pieces, sometimes easier cleaning. I prefer resin but working with plastic is so much better.

>>52530710
99% of the time: Elitism.

>>52527496
>all those Dangels books in heresy tier
I really liked the two DA books, can anyone explain what was wrong with them?

The worst part of Descent of Angels was when they left Caliban and that isn't even that bad. Fallen Angels was good too, some nice bolter porn and a not boring story, the only criticism I had was the Lion smearing his autism all over the place but that's to be expected.

>>52530525
Why would it be okay to run them by themselves? Custodes can't take Land Raiders. If you make a legal army list then sure but I'm not letting you run LRs with Custodes just because you bought the models.

>>52531123
>He doesn't understand canon
>They've had hover rhinos and Land Raiders since Day 1

Boy this is where rules don't meet fluff. Don't be that faggot. LR's are terrible.

>>52528021
I think it's accurate. Scars was written in an episodic format and you can tell - it's a little disjointed. Path of Heaven is also a whole lot more emotional. The Feels takes it from Good Tier to God-Emperor Tier.

Any good recaster who sells spartans? Is it worth it or should I go full legal?

>>52530710
More detail. One aspect of detail is that you can't do undercuts at all in plastic, which is why studs on a curved surface look elongated and weird in that material (e.g. the Calth Mk IV).

>>52531250
Just convert, there's hundreds of land raiders on ebay and then buy tracks and additions from airfix kits.

Has anyone had much experience working with Tartaros armour, more specifically Deathshroud? I wanted to use them as the basis for 40k terminators but would standard 40k termie shoulder pads fit on Tartaros shoulders?

I have a question about Dreadclaw assembly. Am I supposed to glue the flight stand socket onto the model?

So do you technically need to attach converted landing claw on plastic drop pod to make it look dreadclaw? I mean there is bottom hatch but the most visible partwise.

>>52531797
They should fit, worst case you have to sand the shoulder parts a bit. If the pads come separately from arms, that is. I haven't seen an unassembled Deathshroud kit.

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>>52531996
I wanted to use the 40k DG conversion kit to make nurglite termies with scythes, so I'm not sure if the shoulderpads will get in the way what with all the spikes and general boxiness of the DG termie torsos.

>>52523230
Battlescribe is trash. The people I know that use it always let me check their list made in battlescribe, and there is always something wrong or an option they missed because it isn't in Battlescribe.

>>52531816
No.

How survivable a Paragon of Metal automata? Just a distraction carnifex?

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I have a bit of a thing for the roman army shit
Just how viable would an army with three big blocks of apothecary power sword breachers backed up by tartaros terminators, guilliman with a suezarian bodyguard, and Fulmentarus and rapiers for fire support be? there anything I can do to keep the aesthetic and still have it work? not a fan of vehicles is all

>>52532445
m8, have you heard of Centurion mode? It would be right up your alley

>>52532482
>promoting the shitty Centurion variant
For what purpose.

>>52529351
You know now that I think about it, does Seventh Serpent actually work with the timeline presented that has Alpharius drifting towards the Sol System for two years before the Battle of Pluto? I mean I get being in two places at once is kind of his thing but Omegon was also occupied at the time screwing over the Raven Guard

What are the chances of getting a HH computer game?

>>52532504
Why do you think it is shitty? it basically boils down to 'no vehicle spam' or a bigger ZM game.

>>52532445
Centurion mode is pretty good if you can get people to agree to it because it is a fan made thing. Games are played with lots of terrain at about 2000 points, no tanks, other things are limited to 0 - 1. Emphasises troops usage and stuff.

>>52523230
That's because it actually is 305, in the latest red book (the Age of Darkness Army List). Probably should've checked there first.

>>52527496
Is False Gods really that bad? I picked up the bundle myself, not read anything HH except Horus Rising through Fulgrim when they first came out when I was like 13. Was always told the first three are the best and everything after is touch and go.

>>52532628
We already have three. Talisman the Horus Heresy, Tallarn and Drop Assault.

Now the question you want to ask is: What are the chances of getting a good HH computer game?

Sekhmet - Cataphractii or Tartaros armor?

Cataphractii have a 3++ and can pick levitation + whatever.

Tartaros only have a 4++ and can sweep, and can sacrifice a power for Fiery Form for a 3++ if needed.

In a GOTCK/Pride army they are (compulsive) troops, so I guess Cataphractii is more sensible?

>>52532682
I wouldn't mind the guy behind the Armageddon game to create one.

>>52532645
>no vehicle spam
>can take as many dreadnoughts as you want
>can take a leviathan (which is totally less game breaking than the utter WAAC bullshit that is the rhino APC)
Yeah, nah, it was just thrown together by some cunt who likes dreds but doesn't like vehicles, so he thought he'd make a ruleset that bans those army builds he doesn't want to play. It does nothing to promote infantry-heavy armies like it claims, in fact it makes them less viable because they're more vulnerable to quad mortars (which Centurion also allows).

>>52532967
Centurion is supposed to be a casual way of playing taht harkens back to 2nd Ed. If your first thought is to bring 9 quad mortars to a Centurion game, you have the wrong mindset

>>52533011
>there were no tanks whatsoever in 2nd
Sure m80, centurion totally represents that edition.

And why would we need a separate ruleset if we're going to apply "bring the right mindset" as well? You can do that with the current AOD rules; indeed, many do.

>>52527496
What was wrong with Tallarn Ironclad? A vanus assassin fighting Alpha Legion infiltrators is great fun. Plus that Son of Horus emissary pilot guy was a great character.

>>52533062
Anon, tanks were very rare in 2e because they were very expensive and very vulnerable. They were weapon platforms, not mbts, especially for space marines where a group of devastators easily could put out the same dakka while being cheaper AND more survivable in most cases.
As previous anon said, you do not have the mindset for the game, because you are still intent on gaming/cheesing the system.

>>52532967
What's wrong with Rhino?

>>52527496
How pleb I am for liking the likes of Descent of Angels, Battle for the Abyss and The Outcast Dead?

>>52533150
No you stupid twat, I'm not saying I would cheese the system if I played it, I'm pointing out how it can still be cheesed even with Centurion's "fixes". Because if a ruleset allows it, somebody will do it. If Centurion doesn't prevent my fluffy infantry-heavy army getting blown off the board by phosphex spam, then what's the point of playing Centurion over normal 30k?

And tanks being rare is not the same as banning all tanks from the game. A 100% ban skews army lists away from "fluffy" forces (marine armies generally bring some tanks in the fluff) just as badly as any WAAC build.

Centurion is shit, it doesn't fix the problems in the game that it claims to, and you can play 30k with the right "mindset" without using Centurion. Kindly stop promoting it.

>>52529915
Mainly because it reads like a first draft handed in up against the print deadline, and instead of pushing it back to fix it, they just said fuck it and published it

>>52530948
Both these books are actually a bit better than most rate them. Descent especially, but it's still largely complete nonsense. Next time you read it, remind yourself the guy narrating it to you is variously between like, 7 and 14 years old as the book goes on and all that stuff happens.
And of course, the structure of it is complete dogshit.
>some nice bolter porn
So, i know we're talking about tie-in books to GW wargaming, but bolter porn is still bolter porn, and therefore utterly worthless. There is a difference between a good, purposeful action scene that contributes to the plot and 'oh I can fit a scene were dudes shoot at each other here I guess'.
The bits on Caliban had story and character, the bits on generic forgeworld were just excuses for there to be standard combat in the book.
There's also some cringeworthy errors in the book that indicate the author was clearly not giving a fuck.

>>52532691
Catti if you want to fight with objech. mechnicum for killing, or maybe the meta gun power
tarts for when you think you cna regulary pull off firey form, adn want to get into combat and smash some heads in with powerfists

>>52532602
I'd need to check, but I'd imagine so. There's like, 4 or 5 years to insert that 2, so it give you room for Omegon to be fucking around with shattered legion people.
>>52532677
It's only bad because it mishandles Horus' fall, esp in light of the way later books would go into things. It suffers from them not thinking the series would blow up into this massive thing when it was written. If you can accept that, the book is totally fine.

>>52522570
Blood angels master race

>>52533091
Nothing especially, people just got sick of the Meme Legion, and the book's just a runaround, nothing much more. It should be higher though.
>>52533276
Only Abyss is pleb-tier out of those three. Not that DoA and tOD are any good. Are you an Imperial Fist player by any chance, coz I think you like punishing yourself.

>>52522570
Go with DA, they will have everything in the next 4-5 books.
>want to go extra fast? Ravenwing Protocol
>like tonks? Ironwing
>Destroyers and WMD are your thing? summon the Dreadwing
>feel elite? Deathwing
>jump pack breachers? Stormwing
>tech-superiority? Firewing (the Consecrators have the same chapter badge and they supposedly have a lot of relic-tech)

Why does AL called meme legion?

>>52533898
Yes because of the doing.

>>52533886
That gonna happen in what, next 5 years? Given that FW will have to give each and every Legions 5~6 unique RoW to make your greentext happen.

>>52533925
The rumour is that DA are getting more RoWs than other legions and no special units.
Of course, there's another rumour that's saying they'll get grav-LRs, so who knows.

>>52533966
That reminds me of 5th BA flying LR hypes...

Ah, good old days.

>>52533925
Well since the DA rules are very bare bones and the two current rites moderately to extremely limiting, I'm expecting one if not two more Rites in Angelus. If someone thinks this is just a wet dream, they are free to elaborate on why is it so.

>>52533966
The rumour on Retribution release weekend was that only the Fallen will get special units. Grav Raider could've been a thing but I don't think it's happening because Custodes didn't get it either. Warp-cannon Vindicator is still in the game though because it's just an ammunition upgrade (and as such it may be Dreadwing-only).

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>>52522179
>Haven't been on /hhg/ for about 3 weeks
>Lorgar wills it edition

Time to purge some traitor fags

>>52522570
Play Sons of Horus for balls to the wall deep striking
Even better, play Luna Wolves, literally the best legion

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>>52534378
>luna wolves
>went extinct before the heresy started
Literally II/XI tier.

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>>52530062
Good writer, but he made some awful decisions.

>>52534416
I was surprised to find by talking to him he fancies himself pretty edge.

My white nationalist rhetoric and views didn't put him off at all, and said his political stance was 'more fascistic than the alt right' while in other cases 'what people would consider the huggiest of liberals' or something. Very big surprise, I thought he'd be some raging pussy like the rest of the authors. His wife is cancerous tho

>>52534416
Also what is wrong with making the 'bad guys' sympathetic and justifiable to support? Making them 2D rogue trader spikes n' CUH-RAZEY evil cutouts sucks

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>>52527496
>legion
>good tier

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>>52534400
>Not a single traitor
>Earned our name
>Enemies called us wolves
>Emperor Named us the Luna Wolves
>Won first battle of the Great Crusade
>"Space wolves" couldn't keep their shit together without being executed by their own MP
>Pretty Bro tier
>Abbadon x Phosis
>Aren't over wanked furries
>Other Legions wanted to be us
>Other Legions liked working with us
>Bro tier primarch

I mean "space wolves" are cool and all... But you know

What's the source from that picture though?

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>>52534644
red-white-black is never a bad colour wheel

It looks like I will have some 30k stuff left over because I bought boxs of stuff.

Should I make a little second legion for fun. Paint it up as my primary just because or make a little 40k list because why not.

>>52534878
Here I was, thinking of some nice BT.
There wasn't a lot of white in German uniforms though.

>>52534506
>Also what is wrong with making the 'bad guys' sympathetic and justifiable to support?

I don't think anybody is complaining about that.

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>>52535067
>There wasn't a lot of white in German uniforms though.

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>why.jpg

>>52535371
DELETE THIS

and kill whoever made it

>>52533804
It just bothers me how murky the timeline of events are concerning the Alphas but I suppose that is to be expected

>>52535333
This is just an Anon who has a stockpile of this girls selfies right? Or is this truly one among us.

>>52535371
I.... I can't decide if I love this or hate it.

>>52535495
Girls don't play with expensive toy soldiers anon, don't fool yourself

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>>52535067

>>52535495
Few women play 40k. I have never seen a single woman play 30k.

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Someone posted some Emperors Children honour guard/palatine blades with Phoenix Spears made out Dark Eldar power swords and another bit. I think the bodies were Blood Angels Sanguinary Guard.

Anyone got pics of them?

>>52535371
About fucking time someone did this.

anyone got a painting guide or even just a colour scheme for russ.

If girls DID play 30k what legion would they choose seeing as Tyranids aren't an option? Emperor's Children seems likely

>>52532077
It's only maintained by two dudes, and they try to be responsive to errors caught. If you spot something, post an issue about it to the git project

>>52535762
Death Guard.

>>52535762
Night Lords.

>>52534644
The Luna wolves are soldiers behaving properly like wolves. SpaceWolves are men trying to literally be wolves.

One is soldiering like a wolf pack where competence, aggression, competitiveness, responsibility, and trust are more important than formality, rank, ritual, or title.

The other is behaving like animals, sniffing the air, feeling the blood lust, and trying to pass it off as soldiering. Leman helped attach a warrior ethos and standards to them, but there's a difference between a soldier and a warrior.

Simply one is a professional the other is not.

>>52535786
Why? Seems less likely

>>52535762
Maybe Blood Angels?

>>52535786
Too gross and drab
>>52535790
Edgy goth chicks probably
>>52535941
Sanguinius is best girl so why not

>>52535901
What's the likelihood of them playing Tyranids?

>>52527613
reading battle of the abyss atm, to be fair the space battles are quite cool.

>>52535523
>>52535561
I'm not sold by any stretch, it's just such a consistent occurrence. Is it normal for Anons to stockpile hueg stores of selfies from women?

>>52536136
Never underestimate anon autism

>>52535968
I mean Curzefag exists so I'm leaning towards the edgelords...

>>52522570
Death guard

>>52536190
No way curzefag is actually a grill

>>52536319
She is. She doesn't play 30k, but she is.

>>52529042
>jumps to the conclusion that his survival was part of Chaos' plan
Well, his survival did mean the Alpha Legion acquired the capability to manufacture real Alpharii.
Whoever was responsible for his survival, it didn't really help the Imperium.

Why hasn't Forge World made a Terran Veteran conversion kit with the eagles and lightning bolts?

>>52530632
Or add a jump pack and a mekta bomb. That vehicle is exploding, or my name isn't Alpharius :^)

>>52535808
The thing I find funny with the Luna Wolves is that even though they are soldier, they do tread heavily into the warrior territory in terms of the individual.

The space wolves are as you described them, a roaming pack of wolves made to look like soldiers

But the Luna Wolves while far more soldierly, have a very gang-warrior undertone to them, they may not publicly show it, but in combat you'll see something more than just a soldier

>>52531146
>>They've had hover rhinos and Land Raiders since Day 1
Palladius, Coronus and those Eldar-looking things are OP WAACfag cancer.
Auric Land's Raiders and Grav Rhinos BETTER be released...OR ELSE

>>52536606
At least we got a Terran consul

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>>52536674
>GW makes plastic Proteus for Custodes

My nipples!

>>52536131
Did you like how the Word Bearers keep their ship primary armament hidden behind a giant hatch that's shaped like a book that literally unfolds across a spine like it's an actual book?

Alright guys, dubs decide a legion.

Word Bearers and World Eaters are out however, already painting them.

>>52536773
Fuck off, it ruins threads.

>>52536773
Ultramarines with Militia allies would be the most thematic opponents for your World Bearers.

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>>52535371
AYAYAYAAAA-delet this.

>>52536773
Finish those first you ADD cunt.

>>52536648
I agree with this. Most special forces units in the world behave more or less like wolf packs, not in the animalistic sense, but rather in the pecking order, trust, capability, intuitive relationship sense. When it comes down to it, they'd rather fight a little dirty to win because you're reputation is only as good as your last mission. If you can't keep up, there's always someone willing and able to fill your shoes.

I think the luna wolves, out of all legions, embody the ethos and culture that most modern special forces units have today. Deep down in them all, there's a killer who wants to win, and who also wants something more.

>>52536746
Never underestimate Jehovah witnesses in spess.

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>>52535371
What the hell is this abomination?

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>>52536910
Don't you recognize old Custodes?

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Working on my last power armoured marines. What are you guys painting?

>>52536968
Do they have tiny heads and topknots, or are their eyes just nowhere near where the visor is?

>>52536996
Graviton-cannon rapiers. Because you can never have enough fuck-your-vehicles in 30k.

>>52530948
The silliest part of Descent of Angels was when we were supposed to take a plot to kill the Emperor with a small bomb seriously. Worse was that Zahariel basically went "don't worry guys, I won't tell anyone" and they just let him leave.

Fallen Angels is saved by the Caliban stuff but the Nemial/Lion sections are dull as dishwater. No interesting character or combat on display/

>>52532677
It suffers because Horus falls less convincingly in 3 books than Lorgar did in 1, and False Gods is sort of the turning point so it gets saddled with most of the blame.

>>52534416
When will the meme die?

>>52529915
The plot is kicked off by an event that could not have possibly occurred. Magnus' message arrives after Istvaan 5, which has the Emperor send the Wolves after him. Are we to believe the Space Wolves, at this point the "Emperor's Executioners" were just sitting on their hands while the Dropsite Massacre was happening?

>>52537107
>When will the meme die?
Has he written any story where chaos loses? I'm genuinely curious.
>After Istvaan V
Prospero is the very first thing to happen, right?
I'm glad the Inferno BTFO's some BL. One of the good things that came out of it.

>>52532482
Do you have the detailed rules?

>>52537028
A topic that's sometimes explored is the idea that astartes, having been inducted as young boys and then known only warfare for the rest of their lives, are in some ways quite intellectually/emotionally stunted compared to normal adult humans. I think in False Gods McNeil was playing with this idea a bit, but as a result a lot of the decisions the main characters were making just seemed stupid. I don't think the 2nd book in the series was the right time for that sort of thing, basically, they should have concentrated on laying some solid foundations with the core story.

Oh, and marines talking about their choler and humours all the fucking time. That got old fast.

>>52536884
>Special Forces
I feel likes that's always been sort of what they seem like in a way, a bit more Marine-ish

But something that I always felt with them is that aside from Horus, Abbadon and select other captains, rank doesn't seem that important to them, the person I charge is simply who is most appropriate for the fight.

I like how they have such a loose structure, they're not all that rigid logistically speaking. Company as the largest subsection in the legion, each company molded into their preferred method of warfare on their own initiative, mixing which companies fit the bill for each mission

Yet each one knows how to fight to their maximum efficiency to achieve victory, fighting dirty to drive home that victory

>>52525363
Dear Forgeworld,

I recently purchased *insert product* from your online store. Unfortunately, when *insert product* arrived, I was disappointed to discover it was utterly fucked.

I would appreciate it if you could contact me to rectify this situation as soon as possible, as prior to this, I have had nothing but good experiences with your company's products.

Lots of Love,

Anon.

>>52537258
This. Then do your best to fix the one you have and enjoy your two dreads. Or fuck it up more and use as terrain or something.

>>52537176
Prospero ALWAYS happened before Isstvan.
Even one of McNEIL'S OWN BOOKS that came out before The Outcast Dead (False Gods) references this.
Moving Prospero to after Istvann wasn't some BL retard plan, McNeil just completely fucked up and the editor (don't think it was Laurie then) didn't catch it.

Then, to make it worse, when the fans asked what that fuck was up with such a big error, McNeil l i t e r a l l y doubled-down on it and claimed the fans didn't know what they were talking about.
Then he eventually 'fixed' the totally-not-an-error-guise error by retconning his own accidental retcon in one line in Wolf Hunt. What a total prick he can be sometimes.

>>52537176
The Emperor's Gift, as it covered the first war for Armageddon.

As for heresy-era original stories, Prince of Crows was a pretty crushing defeat for the Night Lords (Dark Angels victory).


On the topic of Outcast Dead, its even funnier because it makes no sense in Black Library canon either, every other book about the subject (including more than one by Mcneill) set it before the Eisenstein arrived back at Terra.

>>52537191
Yes, marines are mentally teenagers. Thye behave just like highschoolers if you think about it.

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>>52537107
>When will the meme die?
When ADB will redeem himself.

>>52536674
If I stick to troops, termies, dreads, and massed valdor deep striking is that balanced or underpowered

How do I into Heavy Support?

I'm running a 3k list of DG using The Reaping, and about 250 points left. RoW means no Deep Strike, and I've already got two Vindicators.

What's a fluffy HS unit? I'm thinking avoid Grave Wardens because of short range, since they'd have to footslog. Maybe a Dorito?

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>>52537469
>I'm thinking avoid Grave Wardens because of short range, since they'd have to footslog

>>52537391
Both have advantages and disadvantages. Total troop drepstrike is incredibly strong but lacks mobility in a prolonged fight.

>>52534416
>50% of my characters are women

Literally only an issue if you're a /pol/lack or /r9k/bot.

He writes female characters fine, it's not like they're STRONK WYMYN shoe-horned into the story where all they do is beat up men to prove how superior they are.

The Conqueror's captain and the Knight baroness he wrote were good examples of how to write compentant martial women without going full-on omfgshesobadasskeepupsillyboys like a lot of authors.

>>52537469
P H O S P H E X M E D U S A

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>Playing my Tyranids versus 30k Custodes
>Turn 1 his tanks murder most of my Carnifexes
>Turn 3 Valdor fucks Swarmlord in the ass and his Tribune rapes a Carnifex
>He tied up all my Gaunts in CC with his two Dreads rampaging around
>His regular troops rip apart my Genestealers with shooting and then charge me
>I kill 4 Custodes the whole game out of pure luck
>I'm tabled by turn 4

Fucking FUCK

>>52537569
Did you expect anything else to happen?

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I'm thinking of making a small blackshield force at some point. The idea is that my loyalist DG were mostly destroyed (maybe by both loyalists and traitors somehow) and the few remaining survivors would become blackshields. Orphans of War and a couple of squads of marauders, all uniquely armed and modelled.

>>52537584
I didn't expect his Tribune to roll 5 sixes when first rolling to hit.

That fucked me up.

Also heliothermic detonation

>>52525363
You would say, "This mould slip is excessive, could I please get a new Contemptor torso?"

But it's pretty normal for certain recasters. And it's salvageable. Fill in the step with putty (Green Stuff, Milliput, Testor's putty, etc.) then when it's dry start cutting the step at an angle. Once the step is more like a 30 degree slope, put on a face mask and sand it under running water.

>>52537524
Don't bother, we're in a tabletop wargaming thread on 4chan, there's people here who have problems with women, who can't be conversed with like sane adults. It's honestly best just to let them REEEEEEEE about it, unless you just want (You)s.

>>52537502
I know, I know, but having a 200 point squad that literally does nothing feels like a waste. I'll just post my list so far, thoughts?

Rite of War: The Reaping
3,000 Point List

Praetor
>Iron Halo, Paragon Blade
Deathshroud Terminators
>Land Raider, 4 Terminators, Rad Grenades
Siege Breaker Consul
>Terminator Armor, Chainfist

Quad Launcher Battery
>3 Launchers, Shatter Shells, Phosphex Shells
Contemptor-Morris Dreadnought
>Twin Kheres Assault Cannons
Deathshroud Terminators
>Land Raider, 4 Terminators, Rad Grenades
Apothecarion Detachment
>2 Apothecaries

Despoiler Squad
>20 Men, Rad Grenades
Despoiler Squad
>20 Men, Rad Grenades
Heavy Support Squad
>Autocannons, Rhino
Heavy Support Squad
>Autocannons, Rhino

Vindicator
>Dozer Blade
Vindicator
>Dozer Blade

Leaves 240 points, my thought either to grab another vindicator and some more HS Marines, or a Dorito or something.

>>52537662
It is rather odd how he gives female waifus for all his marine characters. Kharn, Argel Tal and Talos all get one.

>>52537330
>McNeil just completely fucked up and the editor (don't think it was Laurie then) didn't catch it.
That's one of the reasons they brought Laurie onboard (he joined around the same Deliverance Lost came out). They were making continuity errors, and there were a bunch of minor characters that authors were bringing back without coordinating what their arcs would be. For all the complaints, that problem did get fixed.

>>52537569
>expecting tyranids to do literally anything to Valdor

>>52537469
Phosphex medusa. Or rapier quad mortar. They're very adaptable.

>>52537691
Frankly, if you're doing it right, marines need a human side-kick otherwise they're either too inhuman to sympathise with or you have to make them too human to compensate.

My favourite stories about Astartes are where you see them from a human's perspective, rather than having the marines themselves being the PoV characters.

>>52537691
Do people here actually want sausagefests?? Stop whining and let me enjoy the women in these stories.

>>52537926
Having couple womans in stroy is nice, but making every important character that haven't to be male(Sm, Custodes etc) a woman is a little strange.
Even his titans are woman.

>>52537926
>Do people here actually want sausagefests?
in a (space) war story? kind of

>>52537998
>4.28 MB
Fucking Dammit

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>>52537926

>>52527047
You're dumb

>>52537768
>>52537926
Well it's specifically how ADB does his stories. The lead marine always has a female sidekick. Traitor marines have mommy issues.

>>52537691
We went over that, it's a trope of his writing. He has advanced waifuism.
That's separate from kissless virgins getting upset because women are in positions of authority and power in his work.

>>52538206
>people who don't like waifus are kissless virgins
I'm not sure that's how it works.

>>52538206
What differentiates a female character from a waifu?

>>52538206
>it's not regular autism
>it's advanced autism

>>52538282
>Female characters [I] like: well-written female characters
>Female characters [you] like: waifus
As I understand it.

>>52538347
You fuck, only the characters I like are the well written ones!

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Thoughts on using these pads in 30k?

>>52537926
Wars kind of are sausagefests. There is nothing wrong with all-male stories, I don't even notice the absence of women or would even think of getting upset about it. If I was reading a woman's magazine, I wouldn't expect men in there either.

>>52538266
>>52538282
>>52538324
The subject of ADB's female characters is interesting.
Your typical 'kissless virgins' were complaining in your standard terrible ways that they didn't like how he had so many women in positions of power and authority in his work. "It's unbelievable so many women exist in this circumstance", "How could a woman be the Captain of a Legion flagship?", 'But why is the Inquisitor a woman and not a man?"
These questions are self-evidently stupid, but because we are all slightly autistic, people got into actual tit for tat arguments trying to justify their opinions.

Then ADB made statements explaining his reasoning, because he was starting to get abusive messages criticising him for having 'sand niggers" and "useless bitches" in his work.
He responded that, a) well, the Word Bearers are partly Babylonians in space, so Colchisianshave dusky skin etc and b) women are half the population of humanity and it's absurd that you wouldn't see any in the material, especially as in 30K humanity is enlightened past sexism and in 40K grimdark just give a warm body a lasrifle trumps sexism there.
The fact that he even had to explain this honestly tells you all you need to know about the type of people angrily writing to him to complain.

Now as I said a while ago, it's hilarious that people get upset about ADB's 'anti-sexism' measures when his own leanings - be they to actual tropes or it's just his psychology - manifest his women as mother/whore archetypes more often than not. It tickles me that the guy trying to move us all beyond juvenile attitudes where the appearances of women are concerned falls so easily into a highly criticisable trap. He's lucky that SJWs don't read BL, bluntly.
So, waifuism? It's just a pat name for his habit of making women act as objects for the male characters to worship. Is this better than there being no women? Yes. Is it better than doing a Dan and just making them ordinary people? No.

>>52538601
>If I was reading a woman's magazine, I wouldn't expect men in there either.
m8

>>52537569
The gaunts are valdor food, carnifexes I'm sure would have liked to bully the custodes in melee but ya, their tanks don't fuck around. Wait until they get jetbikes!

>>52538635
>just give a warm body a lasrifle trumps sexism there.

This betrays your ignorance of warfare. Even in a universe like 30/40k which is gargantuan, minutiae matter. Women are inferior soldiers in every sense, and could be better deployed elsewhere in a total war scenario. Evolution and biology sucks, I know.

>>52535968
>Too gross and drab

Exactly, the stereotype of a girl that plays DG is similar to the one that plays Nids, they like nasty shit like bugs with giant penis guns and maggot infested warriors of the god of despair.

That or Iron Warriors.

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>>52538777

>>52538528
>Mk8 shoulders during the Horus Heresy.

>>52538820

they arent MK8

>>52538739
Not that Anon. I'm Mechanicum. Fuck your biology and evolution.
We've got machine bitz, son.

>>52538844

it's always a laugh to read a mechanicum BL and read about all the female characters there, relative to the men.

>women
>autistic mathematical science savants

>>52538777

the 2 girls at my FLGS play EC and WE respectively

>>52538635
Anti-sexism is like all the anti-war stuff from the 60's and 70's. It's just bullshit people had to force into places to virtue signal and doesn't serve the story itself.

You know what you should do? Make good characters, and then nobody bitches. When you start going "well, I need X because there's not enough X," you're just forcing it and people see through it. It's like when you see a bad movie where you can see that they needed this scene and this scene, and the trail of logic from one to the other is beyond stupid.

>in 30K humanity is enlightened past sexism

That doesn't override people's personal preferences.

>>52538777
Perhaps they could be interested in burly Custodes with long poles?
>>52538795
Tomoko a cute. I want one like her.

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>>52538835
According to Forge World they are.
I'd guess it'd be fine, not like most people know what MK 8 is supposed to look like anyways, along with the different make and models each Legion used.

>>52538179
It's not just ADB. James Swallow gave the Blood Angels a female flagship captain and that girl who turns out to be a blank. Chris Wraight gives the White Scars a female outsider (a logistician) to give us a non-Chogorian perspective. Dan Abnett wrote multiple waifus into Legion, and that book actually has sex in it.

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>>52538873
We're all pretty much autistic math savants. Both sexes. Or no sexes, some don't give a fuck or genuinely forgot.
I lean to explosions and dakkamancy though, but do have a spot for cute silent angry souless waifus

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>>52538896
>in 30K humanity is enlightened past sexism

That sentence in itself is dumb - "enlightened" to the point where you don't consider a significant biological factor, that you can generalize accurately enough whether it would be suitable in a role or not. This isn't the 19th century, where social environmentalism had enough lack of evidence to the contrary to give the impression it could be accurate. Forcing people to ignore significantly weaker, lesser traits in recruitment for something like the Imperial Army, is pure ideology. Hmm, I have a healthy average male and a healthy average female for a role in the infantry... Which do I pick.. Hmm...

>>52538896
>Anti-sexism is like all the anti-war stuff from the 60's and 70's. It's just bullshit people had to force into places to virtue signal and doesn't serve the story itself.
This is anti-anti-sexism, just bullshit people have to force into places to virtue signal, albeit a different set of virtues.

>>52538896
>Make good characters, and then nobody bitches.
As that Anon I interject again:
What would be the difference between a "diversity quota" waifu and a well written character?
I liked Lotara in Butcher's Nails. She was her own, was scared of Angron as any mortal should and spoke to Khârn only because they're both command staff. Property bantsed Eldar not because she was a woman, but because ship masters are required good bantz.

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>>52538943
Mark 8 =//= Curadh Pattern, pleb.

>>52539030
>literally say that you shouldn't think about an agenda and just write good characters that serve the story
>pushing an agenda

Ok, sure, my agenda is "write good stories with good characters." There, you can nail me on the cross for that one, I'm literally Hitler.

>>52539018
The galaxy is out to eat you. You give a lasgun to both. It's not as if it mattered, considering the Iron Warriors were just assigned to that warzone as well.

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Let's try to find a new controversial topic.

I think drop pods suck to play against unless it's an all drop pod army (since you've then got the reserves rule hurting you a bit by giving you your army in waves). There isn't enough you can do about a single drop pod. Intercept attacks it after it lands, and its occupants get some decent protection for their nearly-guaranteed round of shooting.

Maybe the points cost of a dreadnought drop pod or dreadclaw is sufficient for how good they are, but standard pods are a bit too good for 35 points.

>>52539140
Your literary Hitler :^)

>>52539140
Terrible use of "literally"

>>52539160
>limited armament relative to overly abundant manpower
>giving valuable weaponry to an inferior specimen when there is no reason to

so this is the power of reddit...

>>52539099
What's the difference between a good movie that makes a billion dollars and a bad movie that makes a billion dollars?

>>52538896
What a lot of people don't seem to know that is that positive discrimination still is discrimination. For example, the vast majority of women don't want to get a certain job because the company had to reach some arbitraty quota. They want to be sure they earned it on their own merit.

But the whole issue is probably never going to be solved because being a human means being unable to be 100% objective. I do my utmost best to treat everybody equally, but when some lady with a gorgeous cleavage is talking to me I still sweat more than in a different scenario. Don't judge me.

>>52538976
I liked the logistician in Scars. Seemed like a decently written character and didn't appear as forced as a lot of the other ones.

>>52539099
>What would be the difference between a "diversity quota" waifu and a well written character?
a well written character has nobody wondering about how he even got in that position. Nobody cares about all the female Mechanicus characters because they're fucking mechanicus. What's weird is how all the major marine characters have some female sidekick hanging around, and where Lotara and Guilliman's mum are decent, having what seems like the majority of supporting humans be female to get an overall better gender ratio just feels weird and forced.

>>52539178
>and its occupants get some decent protection for their nearly-guaranteed round of shooting
wut? You have to disembark standard drop pods.

Even by the women don't make good footsoldiers argument (in itself a luxury that I find unlikely in the grim darkness of the far future), ADBs women tend to be in positions of command, or are pilots, or sort of just hang around. Inquisitors aren't soldiers either, and physical ability has almost nothing to do with their job.

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>tfw the voice of god is your legion

Lorgar is great

>>52537524
>The Conqueror's captain

That the chick who shot a Berserker in the head with a laspistol and stared her down? She was terrible, probably his worst female character.

>>52539018

Except that given some role's require genetic abilities, you argument goes moot the moment you make it. Fluff states that the amount of people capable of piloting a Titan is incredibly small, and that the Mechanicum will go great lengths to obtain such individuals, i wouldn't be surprised if the same goes for Knight households and other branches of the Imperium.

Likewise the same goes for the Imperial Navy, which has no reason to limit the pool of Talent from which they can recruit because of some biological arguments.

>>52539018
Even if you made women physically equal to men (military women have been scifi trope for ages), it wouldn't remove psychological or cultural drives. Unless a planet had a unisex conscription policy, I would not see 50% of all women on all Imperial planets joining the military. Fucking hell, even today when you have fields that not only are open to women, but actively incentivize women to participate, you can't get a 50-50 split between the sexes. I bet you could pay women 10 times the amount you pay men, and you'd never get anywhere near 50-50 split in sewage workers or miners.

>>52539178
I've never understood the inconsistency that you can't charge after deep striking because that's a play that cannot be countered by an opponent, but you can shoot to full effect after deep striking. People sometimes point to the damage a sweeping advance can do, but it's not like a full squad of combiweapons will leave much alive either.

>>52539204
You speak as if there was a short supply of both humans and lasguns. Or as if either of those were valuable, for that matter.

>>52539335
Because then units could shoot and charge after deep striking. In case something survived somehow.

>>52539310

Yes, if the role doesn't require a physical taxonomy that only men on average can do adequately, then it wouldn't make sense to generalize. I didn't state anything to the contrary. The biological differences between male and female brains however, is wide, but not wide enough to discriminate for a role, let's say, some Navy vox-hailer, or whatever. Non-combat roles have been filled in the military throughout history, nurses, camp followers, and so on.

>>52539335
>you can shoot to full effect after deep striking

Well, you count as moved, but these days it has no bearing on things like Rapid Fire or Pistols, let alone Assault weapons and models with Relentless.

I'm sure if to-hit modifiers are added in 8th we might see reductions to BS when moving.

>>52539353

>redditor is retarded

whodathunkit

>>52539395
>I'm sure if to-hit modifiers are added in 8th

Oh great ... even more reasons for people to only play gunline armies ...

>>52539431
Long and short ranges penalties and bonuses will probably also be things.

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>>52539225
>But the whole issue is probably never going to be solved because being a human means being unable to be 100% objective. I do my utmost best to treat everybody equally, but when some lady with a gorgeous cleavage is talking to me I still sweat more than in a different scenario. Don't judge me.
Join the Mechanicum.
It won't solve anything, but now you'll also radiate more heat units when interacting with QT3.1416 machine spirit waifus ;^)

>>52538943
>no ankle dingles
>no wrist protectors
>neckwarmer open to the elements
>backpack isn't special
not muh errant

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So what does /HHG/ think of the Scorpius i bashed together with some of my old 40k shit that i'll never use again?

>>52539378
Though actually there are social differences between the sexes, differing hierarchies and interaction. Putting a woman in the military as a combatant or officer is retarded, not just for physical reasons. Ask any veteran and they'll tell you the nightmares of barrack sluts, freak out invalids in the middle of a firefight, men who should be bonding as soldiers getting into fights over women, and so on

>>52539497
It also doesn't have the added armour plates hanging down from the waist over the hip joints.

#notmyerrantarmour :^)

>>52536773

I'm with >>52536849

>>52539526
I think a 3rd party should make missile batteries similar to the ones on the old whirlwind launcher. I really want to make old style whirlwinds on a Deimos, but there's no missile batteries that fit the bill.

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>>52539549
technically not needed

I did forget to mention the segmented belt, though. The deathwatch minis have it and it made me very happy.

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>>52538976
>that book actually has sex in it

>>52539526
honestly a straight up hunter would probably make a good whirlwind proxy

just say it's got cluster munitions

>>52539314
>I would not see 50% of all women on all Imperial planets joining the military.
Military participation is usually just a few percent of the population. You don't need to enlist half of a planet's women!

Also, no one's written about worlds that enlist as many women as men in 40k/30k. Some have female officers only, others have women in 3rd-line PDF units (at which point you're desperate that you can't be picky), and others have all-women regiments but without claiming that they compare in number to all-male regiments from the same planets.

So you're right, but no one's saying you're wrong.

>>52539982
shhh, you are ruining his alt-right views

I want to start Tyranids, is the Tyranid Swarm worth it? I really like Gaunts in all variations.

>>52540268

you are in the wrong General for that, try the 40K thread, this one deals solely with the Horus Heresy which has no Tyranids

>>52540339

>He thinks the alpha legion aren't vanguard organisms

>>52540468
>He thinks the Tyranids aren't Alpha Legion

>>52540468
>hive tyrant on the cabal council
Oh my.
>the alpha legion is proving...overly independent
>I agree, what should we do about this?
>we must summon the primarchs and bring them to heel
>I concur. Anything else?
>DEVOURDEVOURDEVOURDEVOURDEVOURDEVOURDEVOURDEVOURDEVOURDEVOUR
>why is he here again?

>>52540516
>>why is he here again?
FOR DIVERSITY QUOTAS :^)

>>52540560
Give me cute tyranidfu organisms

>>52534475
I'm going to safely assume this is bullshit.

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>>52540493
>The Silent King returned from his self imposed exile in the void between universes because he encountered the Alpha Legion
Seems legit.

>>52540758
That was nice thread

>>52538941
You and everyone else