/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

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Do the Word Bearers deserve nice things?

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>>52492858
Only Imperial Heralds did.
Only when FW releases an Imperial Herald like they released Endryd Haar, only then will the WB deserve good things.
Also, Zardu is best word bearer.

>>52492879

I really like this model just because like 75% of it is very plain and very obvious Mk IV, but the unique parts aren't just a simple upgrade kit part swap.

How do you guys think of Guy Haley?

> Shadowseer slaughtering Custodians
> Iron Circle hammering Rhino so hard it flies 150ft
> Swarmlord bigger than Wraithknight

>>52493051

There should be a shrug emoticon specifically for anything and everything that is Black Library

>>52493061
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>52493051
Great writer writing questionable content, his baneblade/shadowsword books are awesome.

As I asked before, are Pallas Grav Skimmers worth it? They seem super awesome.

>>52493051

I just realized something: the Shadowseer didn't want no trabble.

>>52493095

Should have been called the Ladderseer then.

>>52493051
shadowseer and harlies in general should mash custodes and are very under powered on the tabletop.
hive tyrants and Swarmlord should be Dimachaeron sized.

>>52493086
Is this the birth of a shit new meme?

>>52493086
not very shooty but better def than othet speeders

>>52493051
As a point in his favor, he also made "we gotta bandaid all the shit- the novel" one of the best in that series. Also its BL, Haley is hardly different from the rest in playing fast and loose with old fluff.

>>52493123

Imagine all the hardware just laying around the Imperial Dungeon, cabling, etc.

Played my first game as Chymeriae Blackshields against Coils of the Hydra Alpha Legion today. I actually enjoy Horus Heresy a lot more than I expected to, really. Low unit count kinda fucked me, though; overinvested in having some *big* S6 chainaxe squads and bringing a Lord of War to match his (Fellblade), mixed with bad deployment spelled defeat for me. Plus when Alpharius showed up on turn 4 and one-shotted my Reaver Lord.

Anyone besides me play Blackshields, preferably Chymeriae? How have you seen them work out so far?

Are flamers and heavy flamers worth their points in marines vs marines situation ?

I want a mass flamers sallies list but i'm afraid that it won't work.

>>52493897
With sallies burny bonuses? absolutely, they'll be ups and downs but if you want to make it work that badly then the rules have room for you to make it workable.

>>52493897
Theirs are the best flamers and meltas. If they aren't doing it for you, especially those AP3 S6 Flamestorm cannons the Boxnoughts and Predators can bring, then no flamer weapon will do.
Also, how the hell does having Vulkan's geneseed makes flamers stronger?

>>52493897

Only in Zone Mortalis.

>>52493946
Read the fluff skrub. It's because the Salamanders have a culture of building better flamers, brought about because Vulkan was a smith before being found by an Emperor.

>>52492743
you don't fish for levitation because you pick levitation

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Second half of the autocannon squad ready for priming.

>>52494709
nice pose on the sarge!

>>52494709
as much as I like the belt fed autocannons those drum mag ones look a lot cooler in practice than I thought they would

>>52493051
I like him, he stick to the GW fluff from campaigning books (warzone:valedor, shield of baal etc) most of the time.
Of course he is not perfect.

Why are these threads so slow nowadays

>>52494997
Maybe because GW is trying to kill 40k.
40k G have slowed dramatically, they are even slower than old HHG.

>>52494997
They're always slow at the weekend. One can only assume most of /hhg/ are too busy spending quality time with their families.

>>52495052
But all this week HHG were slower, not to mention 40k g with are almost dead(previousky 4-5 threads per day, now 1 per day).

Suppose your model have multiple weapons. In terms of WYSIWYG, what would be the priority of those weapons for modeling purpose?

I mean a marine have only 2 hands and these days all weapons come not with the grip only, but with hand attached.

Highest to lowest wargear cost or something then?

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>>52494709
I want to use pic related as DG autocannons, because of that water cooled WW1 look.

>>52495319
It's a bit obvious.... how about adding a plasticard 'jacket' to a normal Autocannon?

>>52494688
If that's true it i am 100% going no transport. But there has been some debate on if it's Choose or Choose one of the two tables

>>52495319
Cut off the barrel from that ork gun and glue it to a heavy bolter. Makes it look more human tech, and easier to attach to a marine.

>>52495459
then it's just a heavy bolter with a different barrel

>>52495319
thats a bit too small to be an autocannon isn't it?

>>52495550
Not really, the barrel is much longer than a HB barrel. Tons of people do that conversion to make autocannons for the chaos marines.

Any link for the new Magnus book?

>>52495721
And those conversions look cheap and shitty.

source for white scars not using or liking dreadnoughts?

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>>52496057

>>52493051
When did Guy Haley write about the Iron Circle?

>>52496057
As a legion they did not use them at all. Post-heresy, some of their successors do use them, and on at least one occasion, a White Scar requested to be put into a dreadnought so that he could continue to hunt for the CSM who put him there.

How OC donut steel is it to have a force of Terran Dark Angels who are lead by the oldest marine still alive?

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>>52496172
>How OC donut steel is it to have a force of Terran Dark Angels who are lead by the oldest marine still alive?
There is already a dude EXACTLY like that

>>52496281
I always thought Cypher was among the oldest, if not THE oldest space marine.

>>52496172
Not really, I mean Astelan excists.

>>52495727
it's in the humble bundle you cheap fuck.

>>52496298
Nah senpai Cypher was Caliban native, Astellan is Thunder Warriors old

>>52496298
Nah Cypher was born on Caliban and young enough to be turned into a Space Marine when the Imperium found Caliban.

Reading Path of Heaven. Early Chaos Emperor's Children are gross and awesome, Ravasch Cario a best, and goddamnit I feel sorry for Shiban. I realize he enabled the Khan to teleport onto the Swordstorm in the process, but getting fucked up and put in a shitty life support armour all for saving Boring And Pointless Female Imperial Bureaucrat Character #27583926.

Overall pretty good. Just wanna move on to MoM though.

>>52496298
I mean I guess in 40k he is as he lived though the heresy to the 41st millennium and them went back in time to do time travel shit, but in 30k he's still Caliban born so is pretty young

>>52496372
It's an easy top 10 in the HH books. Which is surprising because it's not really a major writer, a major legion, or major plot line.

It's just a thoroughly well written book, and great character writing.

>>52496372
The Sagyar Mazan scene is my favorite in the entire goddamn 30k fiction.

I play Sagyar Mazan because of one damn scene in that book.

>>52496281
Why is he so smug?

Get your shit together and paint something lads, and post it.

>>52496568
oddly enough mine is another White Scar scene. when Hibou Khan ambushes and slices off half of Little Horus' face, and then kills another 9 SoH (IIRC) on the way out.

>>52496568

Hail, Lord of Death! Torghun Khan greets you!

>>52496630
High up in the terraces, one hundred and thirty two power weapons kindled into life, one hundred and thirty two storm shields slammed into place, and one hundred and thirty two throats opened in battle challenge.

>>52493547
Did you run Pariah power armor?

>>52496911
Nope. From memory:
Reaver Lord on bike, artificier armor, iron halo/cyber familiar, rad grenades, halo blade
4x melta Outriders as an escort (only two even survived turn 1)

20x Marauders (16 shotguns, 4 heavy flamers, PF on sergeant)
20x Marauders (same)

10x Cataphractii Terminators, power fist on each
Cataphractii Chaplain, thunder hammer
All in a Spartan, ceramite/flare shield

Primaris Lightning, 2 radmissile launchers, 1 kraken set

Fellblade, Command Tank, and one upgrade I'm forgetting

I mostly got screwed by our deployment zone (that spearhead one where you deploy in two triangles, one on each side) and the other guy's Whirlwind Scorpius. Deployment zone kept my short ranged as hell dudes out of range, and the Scorpius took out 11/20 of one squad before I even had my turn 1. Lightning came in on turn 3 and finally killed it, but by then the damage was done.

>>52496102

>as a legion they did not use them at all

End this meme, in 30k they're rare but they exist. If they didn't have them at all they wouldn't be able to take them like salamanders can't take Destroyers

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>>52496576
Working on it slut.

These are all WIP.

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What's the deal with Caedere weapons, I think I would rather just have a chainaxe over them let alone a power weapon they should either be 5ppm or just straight up free

>>52497229
THICC

>>52497237
chainaxes ruined the melee weapon economy

>>52496568
I might not have reached it yet. Is that when Shiban bitches Torghun out? "You were sent to die, and failed even in that?" Or do I have something to look forward to?

>>52497229
Did those DG just piss their power pants or what?

>>52495116
People post in here less nowadays because the general actually did go to absolute shit, memes aside. Conversation with the same poster base but without the drama and most of the faggotry can be found elsewhere.

>>52497294

It's the climax of the book where the Sagyar get their redemption, keep reading

>>52495215
Primary weapons, the thing you'll be using most.
Yes, vets all have bolt pistols and stabby sticks, but if one intends them to be boltgun objective snipers, it looks a bit shit to see them kitted out for CQB.
Also if you aren't cutting off the hands and swapping them about and making gangster poses, you need to go back to conversion school.

>>52497314
Yeah I took the whole oil stains way too far.

>>52497387
Speaking of conversion school, what's the best source for one-handed arms for Mk2/Mk3 armor? I'm not a huge fan of cross-chest holds from a modeling perspective, and most of my force is either double pistols or pistol/CCW. Using cut down bolters for Pariah bolters anyway, so I'd like to one hand those if I can, but I think it's just Assault, Destroyer (not in my armor mark), and Despoiler units that have the arms posed so I could do it.

>>52497351
this desu

the general nowadays is just

>primarch memes
>tripfag cancer
>Death Guard

>>52497676
This. 90 percent of photo posts are Death Guard and the occasional Custodes.

>>52497716
Death Guard confirmed best legion

>>52496544
Ahriman is still older than him since he was a part of the Unification wars on Terra.

>>endless whining the threads are shit, instead of contributing to the threads quality.

to not be that much of a hypocrite, recently got a CCon fellblade that has a bit of a wonky turret, how the hell do I apply greenstuff to it without it becoming bumpier then nurgles ass? (like get it only into the crevices of the not smooth turret.)

>>52494686
No what I mean is, do they use a different promethium brand or something?

>>52497387
>you need to go back to conversion school
Where does one find the basics of conversions? I do know something, but it would be interesting.

>>52497850
You just need to see what actually looks good and which parts go well together.

>>52497716
It used to be all Iron Warriors and Night Lords.

>>52497237
Meanwhile, Yiff tactical equivalents can get power weapons for 5pts. Because my Emperor's Fursucutioners

Are 30k word bearers as big of cunts to regular cultists as they are in 40k? Always hated that about them.

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>>52497933

>>52497716
Iron Warriors, Death Guard and Custodes. Where are the other legions? 250000 UMs and none of their fans are here.
It's the other legion's fault for not being able to attract autistic fans to paint their minis in their colours

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What should I do with their heads?

Black, gold, or steel banding on the helmets?

Should I colour the faceplates? Same 3 colour options.

>>52498013

Still waiting for my legion to get actual rules.

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I broke down and bought the Mortitat model. It's too good looking to pass up

>>52498239
What Lee John are you going to paint it as.

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>>52498028
Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov spotted

>>52498272
Who is the commie legion?

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>>52498013
I think /tg/'s high standards are a barrier to some posting their models (they definitely are for me). When you see stuff like pic related not even meeting the board's expected level for "tabletop standard" it's not exactly an incentive to post one's own minis.

>>52497294
Oh sweet Jesus do you have something to look forward to. The Sagyar Mazan get the best sendoff in the entire damn setting.

>>52498301
>A
It is true there's no kindness or pats in the back to be expected here. But only outside of your comfort zone may you grow, if you chose so.
>B
Many are memesters without minis. They ain't got shit on you.

>>52498267
A Thousand Son who spent too much time with the World Eaters legion

>>52498028
Gold helmet rim no face plate colour

>>52498301

There's no real point in posting your army on /tg/ unless you want harsh criticism, are a glutton for punishment, or want to argue with people on the internet.

>>52498344
I think it is approximately 80% b. I've posted loads of at least table top standard minis to get rally harsh feedback, people who don't actually paint themselves just want to ruin other's fun who do.

>>52496305

it's not

>>52498381
Yeah, I guess you're right. What's your legion?

>"hey I'm gonna start Blackshields!"
>okay uhh... melee knights. Silver and black with gold trim is good, right?
>paint a squad
>finally pick up black book pdfs
>I've inadvertently made preheresy Iron Warriors to a T
At least they're my favorite post-heresy Traitors, so I could've done worse... But fuck.

>>52493051
The custodes bit was dumb

I have no issue with iron circle wrecking shit

Swarmlord constantly is reborn so him changing isn't a big deal

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Does anyone have the short story, "Unspoken", from the newest version of the Meduson Anthology?

>>52496598
Same here. Also that short is a really enjoyable read, went through it several times.

>>52498290
corax

My rabbit died today, time to distract myself by painting spacemen.

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>>52496576
Nothing special, just got the wash done was satisfying as fuck, up there with glossing the thousand sons. BoP is a much more enjoyable painting experience than BaC.

>>52498817
Your photo is almost 6mb yet it's still fuzzy and slipping out of focus. There's some good detail on your custodes helmets but I'm squinting to see it.

Cmon man.

>>52498868
sorry man can't see for shit at the minute, forget the camera on my phone is so shit.

>>52498028
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS !

>>52497845
The funny thing about that view is that a lot of the posters expressing whining about the quality are longstanding OC and leaker anons. It's really the shitters that are the shitters itg.
Anyway, this is indeed a bit meta.

>>52498013
I post minis about once a week, I barely get any Yous because they're just boringly average. Not complaining, and I'll continue to post, but there it is.
The only reason we're sick of Death Guard is because DG anon took to spamming his pics to be fair.
And Custodes are not only hot shit everyone is jumping on, they all look the fucking same.

>>52498868
His pics are always shit. I don't even bother with them anymore as soon as I see that migraine-inducing red background he uses.

>>52498301
I think the HHG has done a solid job of not playing into that kind of behavior.

The issue lies with the majority of the people posting being either too young to have developed any skill in the hobby or too old to put up with the wash of millennials posting armies that only have base coats.

The hobby is equal parts personify yourself in your dudes and model, paint and adhere to lore.

I think there is a certain yearning from most of the people here to be validated in their painting skills or list choices. Ect

>>52499018
Hopefully I'll have the time to finish and post the first few RG marines today, for a little difference

>>52499018
>The only reason we're sick of Death Guard is because DG anon took to spamming his pics to be fair.
I don't know, it's nice to see progress and well painted models. Can't wait to see the whole army though.

>>52499248
/tg/ used to be all IW and AL before that. I like seeing different anons busting out their legions.

IW still a best though. I'm pretty disappointed in the tyrant kit.

>>52492802
May I ask as a guardsmen player are there any do's and don'ts to imperial cults and milita?

I was thinking about making about 30 more guardsmen for my 40k army and I figure 100 guardsmen, 6 sentinels and 4 leman russes should be a good start for 30k but I don't know much about 30k. Any tips would be great.

>>52499311
Don't forget Night Lords, although they were made by the same guy.

>>52499382
Solar Auxilia will be closer to traditional Imperial Guard. IMC is, frankly, not something that can be advised on without knowing your Provenance choices.

>>52499410

I was thinking for Provences that I would use dark age tech and genecrafted but the second was optional. The plan was to get a planetary overlord then pick my warlord trait as merchant princeling for a +1ap autocannon team meanwhile all my troops would get better strength weapons and equal initiative to the basic marine. Although abhuman helots seemed pretty cool with that +1 toughness

>>52499526
Gene crafted is neat but not the best for melee. That would be better served by the traitor provenances that give your huge, cheap levy blobs Rending and Zealot.

As always, it's best to specialize. Maybe bring a levy blob no matter what just to tarpit, but focus mainly on shooting or mainly on melee with your provenance picks.

>>52499410
Solar auxilia is very far from imperial guard.

>>52499382

Frankly, imperial cults is imperial guard with slightly different vehicle options if that's how you want to play it. In exchange for losing out on orders you can take provenances to give you better stats.

A militia infantry squad with lascarbines is just a 20 man IG squad without any special or heavy weapon options, for 3 points per model.

You won't be packing as many special weapons as IG does, but can get heavy weapon squads much easier. The big difference is you just can't run mech guard with it, even if you take survivors of a dark age your grenadiers can go in rhinos but can't take any special weapons if they do.

IMO, sentinels are worthless though. There's just too many bolters that are going to glance them to death very quickly.

I would go survivors of a dark age and alchem jackers for provences. You have real bad LD all around and alchem jackers does a lot to help. A good core of 40-60 3+ arm grenadiers backed up by tanks and ogryns is solid imo.

>>52499578
Also, though you could kind of play mechanized with gorgons, gorgons are terrible and have no fire points which really hampers that. You can take a stormlord as your lord of war though and pile in two full grenadier squads or a squad of ogryns if you want.

>>52498810
Rip in peace, bunny.
What Legion?

>>52499567
Thanks

On a side note is it wise to make 10 man grenadier squads or do they need more bodies?

>>52499578
>Solar auxilia is very far from imperial guard.
It's marginally more conducive to Leman Russ and transport spam, which is how one of our guys plays his IG and his Auxilia. I've never seen someone infantry blob to the extent of IMC, at least not with/against me.

>>52499018
>And Custodes are not only hot shit everyone is jumping on, they all look the fucking same.
Normally the legions get all kinds of paints, but since Custodes are simply "gold" with Eldar jewels, unless you add bits to them they all will looks the same.

>>52499650
The only time I would take 10 man grenadier squads is if you want to field a land raider proteus. Rhino transports for 10 guys with lasrifles seem kinda pointless. Go with 20 man squads with medics imo.

>>52496057
Only every source that mentions WS army composition.

>>52496298
Astelan is one of the first 5000 Space Marines ever created and a Chapter Commander, Cypher is neither.

>>52497942
They use human sacrifice for everything more complicated than boiling water, in both settings.

>>52499749
The Companions are older

>>52499672
Don't be a retard.

>>52499757
>Companions
>Space Marines
Pick one, bucko.

>>52499578
Personally I would go Survivors of the Dark age and Cyer Augmetics,

Take two Grenadier Squads alongside one or two full sized Inducted Levy squads with tanks in the back.

>>52499790
Sure, that works too if you invest in discipline cadres. I like alchem jackers for frenzon on ogryns though.

>>52499702
you can't name one

>>52499822
You mean... CASTELLAX EQUIVALENT BATTLE AUTOMATA. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>52499845
At the end of Scars, Ilya tells Shiban that if he were in any other legion, he'd have been interred in a dreadnought with how fucked up he got. And he's considered a medical miracle because he shouldn't have survived without one.

Then in Path of Heaven. Shiban actually rages that his legion don't do dreadnoughts, because if he'd been put in one, at least he'd be a lot more powerful while being in constant pain.

BOTH of the dedicated novels to the White Scars make a point to touch on the dreadnought thing. So shut up.

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>>52496549
>Which is surprising because it's not really a major writer, a major legion, or major plot line.
That's why it's good.

>>52496572
Because he's an arrogant shit that thinks he's much better and more important than he really is.

>>52499672
Even then they all look the same. I'm already bored to death by seeing Custodes.

>>52499311
AL were and still mostly are memers.

>>52499952
Visually they are rather dull after you see them for the millionth time. Lore wise they are just super!spacemarines that are super!loyal with even less personality than any of the astartes.

Does anyone actually like them beyond their stats in-game?

>>52500041
>Does anyone actually like them beyond their stats in-game?

I like their lore, and I liked them in Master of Mankind, but personality-wise they're all basically the same dude with very slight variations on how aggressive they are.

They're cool, but they'll never have that "These are your dudes" feel that a Legion can.

>>52500041

Honestly you have to like the movie 300 to like the idea of Custodes. Otherwise you would just find them incredibly redundant and Stu-ey.

>>52500041
I actually like their aesthetic in general and the webway war they did. I have about 1500pts of Chaos Daemons which I'll use with Custodes and Sisters for a Webway War diorama (more like a battlefield with themes bases).

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>>52500041
>Tfw I like being loyal and poleweapons.
They do have personalities...but keeping it mostly to themselves and not liking anything that isn't the Emperor does make them autist tier.
P-perhaps I should work on my personality as well...

Posing quick questions, considering the new ap rules involving reducing armor saves become official.

Is it safe to assume that Space marines will be receiving two wound units with greater regularity?

>>52496317
>>52496325
>>52499749
Well, like I said, I thought. Then again, this was probably like 4e era thought. Don't think his fluff was that well defined back then with a lot of rumors. I just remember some discussion about it, hinting that he might be among the first SM created, seeing that DA were the 1st legion and he's so special.

Guess times they are a-changin.

In Eye of Terror there's a DA who got ejected into space during HH and went into a coma until waking up in M41 when discovered by a Fallen. He's technically the oldest living SM outside of a dread in M41, though how long I don't know, since he was tempted to Chaos by the Fallen through lies and even though he turned back once he learned the truth, the DA took him and probably put him through the treatment the Fallen go through.

A general comment on the SA v IMC discussion: Solar Auxilia can actually do "mech guard" pretty well. Full flamer squads absolutely cook things, and are quite prickly to charge. Veletaris with Volkites can blap infantry pretty well, or make their points back in suicidal terminator charges.

Both of these get a steroid-Vindicator as a DT.

SA tanks are really good. Pricier, but good. Especially the fuckoff Malcador Infernus.

Note that you could always ally stuff together with relative ease.

>>52500468
I sure hope not. But it'd mean bolters are relevant again and so would be Assault marines. Perhaps.

>>52500527
What about power axe veletarii?

>>52500542
Never mind, I realized that as the most prominent armor save army, reducing their saves would still see them having higher effective durability rather than getting wiped off the board by ap3.

REDACTED. Its the end of the Blobs boys.

Old school chainaxe rules when, all your armor saves belong to me. (albeit at 4+)

>>52500572
Sorry. That's what I meant with suicidal terminator charges.

Shroud bombs or a Stormlord help, too.

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The first exhibit for my Museum Of People That Did Nothing Wrong

>>52500705
Well, at least PETA is gonna agree with that statement. He isn't wearing any animal fur.

>>52500705
Looks like Voldemort with a silly wig

>>52500732
B-but he killed and ate rats back on Nostramo!

>>52497219
>in 30k they're rare but they exist
No. It's explicitly referenced numerous times that there are zero (0) dreadnoughts in the legion and that they never (never) use them. Are you going to force me to make a collage?

>>52500759
Didn't he eat those he ... uhm ... judged ?

>>52500774
Do it.

Just jumping in here, but wouldn't Terran vets not care?

>>52500774

If you must make a collage, do it using BL and Red Book references. None of that outdated Index Astartes shit.

>>52498028
How did you get that green? I love it.

>TFW your moritat and destroyer squad melt a primarch with flanking.

Fulgrim never looked so pretty. Just to add salt to the wound the rest of his terminator bodyguards died to overwatch during their counter charge.

>>52500863
WTF how?

>>52500863
Inferno pistol moritat?

>>52500958
not him, but sometimes overwatch just gets stupid. I remember seeing a batrep that Ash from GMG did where his entire terminator squad died to overwatch fire from volite culverins of all things

>>52500863

You got me thinking about making a TS Moritat with the Corvidae Arcana now. Practically guarantees 10-12 Plasma hits.

>>52501028
You still overheat on 2s so the Corvidae won't save your ass from that.

>>52501076

Just volkite serpentas then?

>>52500958
Rhino comes out from reserves about 14 inches from fulgrim and his termies. Rhinos multi melta opened up, moritat and destroyers pop out, two rad missiles on point then a phosphex bomb cleared all the termies between them and the primarch. Chain fire plasma pistol and serpenta finished off what wounds hr had left.

Didn't look out sir because he didn't think fulgrim would bite it.

When they charged next turn rad grenades and counter attack murked the rest of them.

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>>52500784

Sometimes, yeah - not much money in vigilantism, so you make do with what you can get, but on the other hand humans are more useful for making into cloaks. You gotta flay a *shitload* of rats to make a cape.

>>52492858
nice things like extermination?

>>52501108
Still not sure how you're gonna manage to get the Moritat stay still and still be in range without having gotten charged/avoided.

>>52501218

Requires cornering viable prey and maybe spells like invisibility - but thats already expending too much effort just to make the Moritat work.

>>52500821
See>>52499916
The Legion Flagship and the entire fleet didn't have a Dreadnought to put Shiban in, and had to make him pistons and gears Frankenstein instead.

The character later straight up says that he would have PREFERRED to just be put in a damn dreadnought after living for five years in constant pain from his bionics.

They don't have them.

So I want to start playing Custodes. How's this for a starting list?
HQ
Tribune: Paragon Spear, Cyber Familiar, Digital Lasers: 255
Oblivion Knight-Centura: Master Crafted Paragon Blade, Archaeotech Pistol: 115
Troops
5x Custodain Guard: Adrastie spears: 325
5x Custodain Guard: Adrastie spears: 325
Elites
5x Hetaeron Guard: 5x Paragon Blade, 5x Presidium Shields: 475
Contemptor-Achillus: Dreadspear, 2x twin-linked adrathic destructors: 270
Heavy Support
Calidus Grav Tank: Armored Ceramtie: 215

>>52501401
Following this:

If you really want to make a White Scars dreadnought, go for it, but it's stupid. It's not canon, and we reserve the right to call you a retard for doing it.

You're like the fuckstick who allied Custodes with his Thousand Sons just because he's a WAACfag. Or the dude who had Typhon leading his loyalist Death Guard with a different helmet but still wanted to use Typhon's rules.

Go for it, but it's stupid and we will all judge the fuck out of you for breaking the one fluffy list comp rule the Scars had.

>>52501528
Forgot to mention it's 2000 points.

>>52501567
This desu. White Scars are my favourite legion but I ended up going with my second favorite (Blood Angels) because I like the Dreadnought models.

>>52501672
Shattered Legions, my Chogorian brother. I have a Fists Leviathan and a Blood Angels Dorito that roll with my scars when I want to get my Dreadnought on.

Sagyar Mazan a best.

>>52501567
>>52501672

Who plays HH White Scars anyway if not to be 100% fluffy?

>>52501706
Right? I like models on foot more than I like bikes, but I still roll at least 9 bikes in every game because I play fucking Scars.

>>52501329
You can't affect moritats with blessings.

>>52498301
thats a joke, anon

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>>52493051

>>52501726
I ironically want white scars termies with roller blades.

Even slowed, gotta go fast.

>>52501786
Nah, they just do parkour.

>>52501726
I'm looking to start White Scars in the not too distant future. Any advice for the first 1000pts or so? Wouldn't want to expand too far until they get properly released.

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Hey there

How is this ?

>>52498408
Thousand sons
Btw does everyone actually play blood angels on here or was the straw poll on
The op just 'hacked' by them to make it look that way

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>>52500732
I remember when that happened.

>>52501820
If you're going Chogorian Brotherhood, two squads and a praetor on bikes/jetbikes to start. You also need a FA choice before you can take any heavy support, so you'll need a non-bike Fast Attack as well. I run combi-plasma seekers to chase the bird, but they're pricey.

To start though, you literally cannot go wrong with bikes with power weapons. I can't advise on Jetbikes because I don't own any yet. I like the outrider bikes more than flying dongs, so I keep my shit on the ground.

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>>52498817
This guy is standing in such a homo-erotic way, as if he's at a gay power march.

>>52501528
give the tribune a shield (unless you're intentionally avoiding that) and probably mix some fists into the guard and hataeron squads so they can kill dreadnoughts easily (one per squad ought to be plenty)

>>52501888
It's the head tilt. That head tilt is saucy.

>>52501028
I've ran a moritat with a librarian before, it wrecks but I can't justify sending 2 HQ slots on a glorified suicide run.

>>52501888
>"Wanna see my 'other' guardian spear ??"

>>52501866
>Those killed for their fur typically first endure a bleak life inside a tiny, filthy wire cage before being electrocuted, drowned, or even skinned alive
As an EC player, I would say we do these to humans as well. Animals are no exception, and human skins make excellent lining for the fur coats

>>52501956
Word Bearers also loooooove to use human skin as paper. It can hold so much power !

>>52501567
Sounds like dumb BL shit to me. No reason to not have dreads if you have infantry, and drop pods

>>52501989
Dreads are slow.

>>52501989
Literally the only limit on list building for the Scars is that they don't do dreadnoughts. There are seventeen other legions that DO take Dreadnoughts.

If you don't give a shit about the actual army, background, or established lore, go play 40k. You sound like a dead ringer for three riptide Tau.

>>52501989
It's because they consider being eternally confined inside a metal box a fate worse than death. It's not a tactical decision. Their hatred of dreadnoughts was a thing before Scars and PoH.

If Marines in 8th get a Movement stat of 4", will transports become mandatory?

>>52502132
If not mandatory, then at least standard practice.

>>52501567

And desu if you want a leviathan dread it's seriously not that much more for a straight up knight and those can keep up with bikes too.

>>52502132
Yes, Buy more Rhinos :^)

>>52502084
So say he's a vengeful Terran who doesn't give a fuck anymore and just wants to kill things.

>>52493051
He wrote Baneblade and Shadowsword, 2 of the best 40k books I've ever read, so I'm fine with him.

>>52502132
I mean, the prevalence of artillery in 30k and the price drop of new squad/sgt tax for marine units already makes transports a really good idea for most legions.

It remains to be seen how shooty of an edition 8th will be, but people seem to think armour save modifiers will make shooting even better. Personally I think the jury is still out on that (since I think they want to do the opposite) but we'll have to wait and see.

>>52502170
You can say whatever you like, doesn't make it canon. Scars don't take Dreadnoughts. Why is that such a difficult idea to fathom?

Even if the guy's Terran, when he got got, the Scars apothecary would have told his brothers "I'm sorry, but we don't have any dreadnoughts and we wouldn't wish that on him even if we did. We're gonna have to put him down."

>>52493082
Mah nigger. I was so happy when I learned that Baneblade's sequel was finally coming out.
The characterisation of the new crew in Shadowsword is bloody awesome after meeting them in the short story.

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Writing my attempted non-purpley prose now for my Lorgarite dudes. It's fun getting autistically worked up about your fan fiction to the point where you're crying listening to 40K game soundtracks and the Lord Inquisitor song.

If you aren't using a primarch as a proxy for emotional issues to be attached to you need to die right now neurotypical filth

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>>52496102
Dark Hunters put their Master of the Forge in a dreadnought while he Was still healthy to preserve him ans because they had so few techmarines. He called the process symbiosis and he's been in there since the Heresy IIRC.

>>52502132
>Marines
>Slow
Just where the fuck does this meme come from...

>>52502340
2nd edition/Shadow wars, were marines have the same movement value as humans ?

>>52502340
Heavy armor and stupid fucks who can't read.

I think 4" is base human/ork.(It was in Warhammer Fantasy) Marines should be 5" and Eldar should be 6"

>>52501866
The Regimental Standard response was top tier though
https://regimental-standard.com/2017/02/08/fur-the-emperor/

>>52502230
Sounds like BL fuckery to me.

Otherwise they'd have had a rule like Salamanders do with Destroyers. Shit, the sallies even HAVE destroyers, and they still aren't allowed to take them. One would think the same would go for scars since they have a similar philosophical reason for not using dreads as sallies have for not using radiation/phosphex.

>>52502218
Unless AMS is going to be reserved for only the lowest AP weapons, it's going to have an impact. Even -1 on bolters will have a big effect, when terminators become as durable as marines and tactical marines only save half the time vs. 2/3 of the time.

>>52502340
Pretty sure thats just the movement GW attributed to everything not an Eldar in Armageddon rules. Would be logical to assume that they would use the same thought processes to land on those movement values for 8th.

>>52502132
Depends how fast the transports are.

>>52502379
5"

>>52502379
6"
+D6" if they go fast

>>52502376

I can imagine them releasing MK8 Marines with Fleet to reflect an astartes pushed to the limit.

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>>52502340
>M
>4"

>>52502443
That's dumb as fuck

>>52502486
Nice box-quote for 8th edition I fear ...

>>52502366
Salamanders Destroyers are legit in an Allied Detachment.

>>52502512
>>52502443
Also, why the fuck does every race now have sustained fire? In 2nd it was used to add firepower to an elite army so it would not have the exact problem it has now, which is too little concentration of killing potential. Orks don't fucking need it.

>>52501956
To be honest:
>typically first endure a bleak life inside a tiny, filthy wire cage before being electrocuted, drowned, or even skinned alive
is pretty much the biography of an Imperial subject.

>>52502132
Depends on if we get march moves and the like.

>>52502550
Because GW long ago stopped bothering with inconsequentional things like game balance :^)

>>52502486
How is it anymore dumb than Marines moving the same speed as humans right now?

>>52502550

To the contrary, orks need every buff they can get.

>>52502627
Right now EVERYONE moves at 6" for simplicity. If they remove the simplicity but don't actually apply that complexity to make a better game, what's the point? Why not keep it simple?

>>52502629
Oh boy, it's the designated Ork shitposters.

>>52502547
Is it just a primary restriction? Or do you mean shattered legions?

>>52502366
Yes, all the established fluff for the Legion is BL fuckery. Even those old Index Astartes articles. BL fuckery. If you see the fluff as an obstacle, you aren't playing fucking Scars.

White Scars don't have the limitation on their list building because they only have two goddamn pages of rules as a placeholder until they get a proper space in a book.

But let's entertain the idea of your stupid Scars dreadnought. He was an ornery Terran.
>Okay, those existed.
who was mortally wounded
>fine, that's normal
NEAR an Apothecary who completely disregarded the Scars traditions and superstitions,
>Getting a little off the Scars mark here
AND a Techmarine who, with a similar disregard for Legion tradition, just happened to have a spare dreadnought lying around
>When the Legion's entire fleet didn't have one for Shiban Khan
Both of whom somehow know how to install a marine in a Dreadnought
>Which their legion does not do
So he became a White Scars Dreadnought
>The only one

At this point you aren't even playing Scars anymore. You're just playing Terrans. You have to have every character directly involved completely disregard their Legion for this to work. To say nothing of the training they wouldn't have. Fuck off with that. If you take a Scars dreadnought, you're a shitty Scars player. If you think that fluff for a legion isn't important, you're a shitty 30k player.

>>52502366
It's not BL fuckery WS really hate dreads, they don't like being confined to a box forever

It's a thing ion 30k, it's a thing in 40k and even in the Mont'ka book a Tau deliberately kills a WS so that they won't be inferred into a dreadnought to not dishonour the guy

>>52502668

You didn't answer the question. Whats the difference of 2" to you? So the average game table gets a little smaller, so what?

>>52502668
>don't actually apply that complexity to make a better game

How do you know that? Just because Marines don't get a boost in their movement? I'm positive we're gonna see things like bikes, cavalry, beasts, walkers, etc. get different movement values.

>>52502366
>To the White Scars, the thought of spending an eternity sealed with the ceramite sarcophagus of a Dreadnought is a horrifying notion, for they believe that the soul of the departed warrior returns to the steppes to roam there forever. Very few White Scars have ever entered service in a Dreadnought, and only in the direst of circumstances.

>>52500041

I like Valdor.

>>52502716
>You didn't answer the question. Whats the difference of 2" to you? So the average game table gets a little smaller, so what?
If it doesn't matter, why add it?

>>52502730
>I'm positive we're gonna see things like bikes, cavalry, beasts, walkers, etc. get different movement values.
Like they have now? Do you have Downs?

>>52502716
>game table gets smaller
>im-fuckin-plying

>>52502756

If it were up to me, I would only condone WS dreadnoughts with Siege of Terra, along with MKVII armor, when it was absolutely "Hell on Earth" and all the rules go out the window. They have no place in a GC army, and should only be excused in themed AoD armies like a Shattered Legion detachment operating under Autek Mor.

>>52502805
I play a Shattered Legion specifically themed as the three defending legions on Terra and even I don't take Scars Dreads.

>>52502793

>If it doesn't matter, why add it?

Because reasons for smaller game tables, which leads to closer faster action? Plans for revamped rules and buffs? MK8 Marines will get Fleet? I don't know my spiritual liege doesn't work for GW.

>>52502835

I wouldn't crack on you for taking 1 or 2 dreads of the leviathan variety at most.

>>52502848
My Fists and Blood Angels have dreads. My scars don't. The list started as a workaround because I love dreadnoughts and love White Scars but actually respect the Scars' fluff.

>>52502793
>Like they have now?

Except right now they're fixed movement values across unit types, where as in 8th they could have doggos that have a movement value of 8, horses with 10, bikes with 16, other bikes with 14, etc. Boxnoughts might have a slower speed than contemptors, scout and armoured sentinels might have different values, etc. Hell, maybe we'll finally get Predators that are faster than Russes and Baal variants won't be Fast anymore, just one or two points faster than regular ones.

But I guess I expected too much of you to get it.

>>52502758
Why?

>>52502836
>MK8 Marines will get Fleet?

So why wouldn't you just model all your Marines in errant armour if that's the case?

>>52502886

Ok cool, but WS dreads in Siege of Terra would actually be even more fluffy since it would reflect the desperate nature of the situation. Also I'm sure you would be tempted to field one if new WS rules allowed WS dreads to surf on vehicles.

>>52502691
Counterpoint:

>he was interred before Khan was found
or
>he WAS hanging around old Terrans who were able to inter him (not exactly unrealistic, not sure why you made that assertion)
or
>he was around a different legion or Mechanicum guys who interred him while he was unconscious, not knowing or not caring about Chogorian customs (could even play off the oldhammer macabre humor in that aspect)

Forge the narrative. The fluff and rules exist to create interesting, dramatic, or funny characters and stories. Otherwise we're like worse, more autistic historicalfags.

>>52500705
>murders and tortures
>his marines do the same
>hates them but does nothing to prevent it

???

>>52502910

Because it might not be errant armor and might look like a bastard child of an orgy between Astartes, Mechanicum, and Aeldari engineers?

>>52502935
MkVIII is errant armour.

>>52502979

It is now, like how movement values are 6" right now. Can it change? I WOULD SAY YES.

>>52502890
You get a D- for reading comprehension. Marines should have a higher move than humans. Put them at 5, have Eldar at 6 or 7 for all I care, but implying that the transhuman bred for war that knows no fatigue in servo-armor runs as fast as the regular joe in body armor is completely against anything the fluff says. Marines are literally designed for shock warfare, not once have marines in Servoarmour been depicted as slow or sluggish compared to humans unless those humans were some protagonist-tier badasses themselves like some super enhanced lucifer black or some shit, so I honestly can't see why they made that decision.

Funnily enough you completely failed to grasp that I criticised not that they made the change to more complexity in general but rather that they made it and then picked values that make no sense, but maybe one needs possession of a regular number of chromosomes to actually be able to hold a discussion on 40k.

>>52502916
>Ok cool, but WS dreads in Siege of Terra would actually be even more fluffy since it would reflect the desperate nature of the situation
you're a retard

>>52503003
>It is now, like how movement values are 6" right now.

What? MkVIII has always been errant armour. How are rules cha-... Forget it, I'm not getting sucked into this shit.

>>52503019

See >>52502756

>Siege of Terra
>not a dire situation

>>52503005
>not once have marines in Servoarmour been depicted as slow or sluggish compared to humans

And even with the change to the rules they aren't, so all this whining has been nothing but a load of hot air.

>>52502901

Shrug, he's interesting. He deals with Primarchs and politicians. he's an incredible fighter. he's been around the Emperor longer than anyone.

>>52492879
Argel Tal is best wordbearer. One of the few to get shit done properly.

>>52503073
No, he's right. It's still retarded until we see anything in the Terra book to justify it.

>>52503082
>Hey Billy-Bob Joe, check this out! I can run as fast as the gene-engineered servo-assisted super-human-monstrosity consisting of nothing but muscles and hate, all the while carrying 80 pounds of space gear!

>>52503112

Petty vengeance justifies it but the fucking Siege of Terra doesn't?

>>52503082
Armoured Astartes are always portrayed in the fluff as being much faster than human soldiers therefore they should be faster in the crunch now that movement is a stat. What problem do you have with that?

I'm looking over the TS rules to get a feel for them, but am I missing something or are the cult rules really skewed? I mean, Raptora and Corvidae give you great buffs and great lores, Pavoni has a good lore and an okay buff, but the other two are pretty shit.

>>52503112
Why do you have to wait for the book? Everything you need to know to justify it already exists.

>scars use dreads in extremely desperate times
>siege of terra is extreme and desperate

???

>>52503136
>orks and humans are equally strong
>harker is as strong as a terminator
>25kph and 55kph are the same speed
>my dog can run as fast as your super-charged bike

You do realize that in WHFB a fully decked human in plate armour moves as fast as a spry hunter with leggings and a tunic, right? And I don't remember anyone losing their shit over that. But of course it has to be Marinefags who sperg all over this.

>>52503217
>scars use dreads in extremely desperate times
In 40k. They never use dreads in 30k.

>>52503228
>a fully decked human in plate armour moves as fast as a spry hunter with leggings and a tunic, right?
You do realize that's accurate because Plate Armour barely impedes your movement at all, is actually lighter than a modern soldier's equipment and you can do cartwheels and shit in it, right?
No you don't, because you're a retard.

>>52503253

direst
of
circumstances

>>52503291
r e t a r d
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>>52503253
Why not? There's certainly dreadnought shells at Terra. If that one guy would've been willing but it was merely supply in the fleet that was lacking, surely there would have been more during Terra (especially since they'd be taking tons of casualties).

>>52503310

DO YOU EVEN LORE BRO

>>52503253
Yeah, I remember seeing how forgeworld put in the white scar rules that they can't take dreadnoughts.

Who makes some good robots or servitors for high tech power axe survivors of a dark age militia ogryn?

>>52503329
nigga do you think they had little tea breaks during the siege where they can just have their techmarines prance around and implant their wounded in a complex ritual into dreadnoughts? that shit was constant, 25/7 warfare and every single able motherfucker would have been at the front fixing shit that's more immediately useful. So take your shit and fuck off, you won't be validated for your crap.

Can graviton weapon affect void shield at all?

>>52503277
>implying I don't own plate armour

Yes, you can move in it. But it (along with the padding, mail, etc.) is still many pounds of extra weight on you and there are some limitations to your movement (just like a heavy winter coat is a bit more restrictive than a t-shirt), even if you can do acrobatics in them. That doesn't mean that you can run a marathon or do a lap in it just as easily.

But of course you don't think about that, because you just want to win an argument over the internet on why you think Marines should be M5" now that movement is a stat and why it's bullshit GW doesn't seem to care about this detail.

I'm reminded when people wanted Marines to be S5 T5 and have at least 2-3 wounds, because that's way more fluff than shitty S4 T4 with 1 wounds. I mean, fuck, why does a shitty human officer have more wounds than the Emperor's Angels of Death!

>>52503376

>they had little tea breaks during the siege where they can just have their techmarines prance around and implant their wounded in a complex ritual into dreadnoughts

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

>>52503380
It can cause a glancing hit so I'd say yes?.

>>52503376
Hey, cool, this anon's read the black books covering the siege of terra. Can you leak anything else, since you've read it already and know what it says?

>>52503291
Where's that quote from?

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>>52503096

>Tal
Best at dying perhaps

>>52503420

Google says "Deathwatch - First Founding", p.30/31

Angelus

W H E N ?
H
E
N
?

>>52503381
>That doesn't mean that you can run a marathon or do a lap in it just as easily.
That's pretty much what modern military does and trains for, and they have twice the weight concentrated on their back rather than comfortably balanced across their entire body, so maybe your mobility problems stem from the fact that either you're
>lying,
>got cheap replica crap for an armor
or are
>just a fat faggot who can't take three stairs without being winded.

>I'm reminded when people wanted Marines to be S5 T5 and have at least 2-3 wounds, because that's way more fluff than shitty S4 T4 with 1 wounds. I mean, fuck, why does a shitty human officer have more wounds than the Emperor's Angels of Death!
Ah, so you're literally retarded and not just internet retarded, got it you aspie.

>>52503477
Sometime in November my fellow angelic brother.

vampires or LOYAL?

>>52503511
Prettymarines for life, brother.

>>52503508
You do know allied infantry fighting the taliban regularly had problems because of how much they were carrying, right? The taliban fighters were literally giving them the runaround because they weren't carrying enormous amounts of weight like the allied troops were.

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>>52503511
What new stuff are Nl even getting?
Beep BOOp here

quick lads,
Night Lords or Ultramarines as my next legion project, I currently play IH
convince me with a fun army concept for bonus points

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>>52503569
>not sticking to one legion

>>52503568
Probably Atrementar terminators and some useless fuck up of a character.

>>52503568
An asskicking. Wait... sorry... that's not new for the Night Lords :^)

>>52503508
Are you seriously saying that a person in full medieval plate is going to run a lap or a marathon in the same time as if he was without? I've seen plenty of well fit dudes almost pass out in armour.

But hey, stay butthurt, I'm sure that'll change GW's mind.

>>52503578
smelly dumb frogposter scum

>>52503569

Wait for next book. NL might get useful stuff.

>>52502917
>plays "historical 40k"
>complains about history

Sudoku yourself.
Make sure the numbers don't get repeated. I feel for you, basic instructions are necessary

>>52503569
Ultramarines with subtle AL imagery like the ends of some of their U's are snake heads and the occasional faint scales

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>>52503583
I keep on forgetting one of the most mobile Primarch needs a slow as shit moving terminator squad as protection

It's almost as stupid as giving a teleporting Primarch slow as shit robot bodyguards that can't even DS, run or go in transports

How did all of the primarchs not just go full Angron and disown them all

>>52503648
>not having glorious golden bodyguards with jump packs to keep up with you
Sanguinius was truly the greatest Primarch in every way.

>>52503725
>Implying Sang isn't going to be a FMC so they can't join anyway

>>52503217
>>52503291

Fucking idiot.

WS DON'T USE DREADS

That little escape hatch direst shit is probably there for an author to fuck up in a story.

You try and put WS down on the tabletop you'll be laughed out the fucking door. You WAAC lore-ignoring fucker.

>>52503816
>I don't like that line of lore so I'm going to ignore it
Wew lad.

>>52503816

This autist is mad.

>>52503816
I'd be fine with that.

>>52503569
Ultramarine clandestine operations unit. Think Inglorious Bastards in Power Armor. The 22nd Nemesis Chapter. Veterans all bearing the red helm of censure, flamer support squads in armor blackened by the flame, a squad of destroyers for fun. Take the fight to the traitors and kill them all anon. Show no mercy. Show Lorgar and Angrons sons why they should fear when a good man goes to war.

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>>52503816
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpjp1MkyppM
Ok

>>52503638
>REEE IT'S A HISTORICAL
>in a game about medieval space knights smacking each other with power swords

k.

It's not a historical because it's a fucking fictional science-fantasy universe, babe. But I guess you fall into the autism category. Or you're a troll. Either way, you'll have no more (you)s from me.

>>52503816
>You try and put WS down on the tabletop you'll be laughed out the fucking door
By exactly no-one. But do continie being buttmad. It's entertaining.

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>>52501567
They do have dreads though. Just with the atomic reactor engine this is all you'll ever see on one though.

>>52503863
I don't understand, Contemptors are one of my favorite models just to sheer poseablilty why would you waste it on just a still pose

>>52503194
Yeah, but they needed fluffy special rules and those are respectable. It doesn't all have to be about efficiency and power gaming.

>>52503511
Can't wait to see what they have for Dangles. I've been playing with Ironwing for a few months now and shits been wrecking.

I'm hoping destroyers get a price reduction for dreadwing, maybe even a special unit for it.

>>52503931

The purpose of the arcana buffs are first and foremost to give a buff to psychic rolls. Quite frankly people should be grateful that they made some of the buffs actually useful.

>>52504001
I know right, I definitely think people should feel grateful for rules being useful and not deleterious to the play experience. God bless those rulers.

>>52503931
True, but some parity would be nice. Whenever I pick anything but the +1 to invuln for my terminators I feel like I'm gimping myself.
Then again, FW and internal balance seems mostly incompatible.

>>52504099
Rules aren't just shat out of a tombola, most of the time they would've been fully aware that some units and builds work best with some of the buffs. Attempting to balance the buffs army wide for general effectiveness would've just made a samey, un-optimal rule that may have made one unit good. Instead, coming up with 5 that make applying them to various unit options actually adds possibilities for fluff play and the optimized route of Raptora Sekhmet.
Like, Corvidae Rotor Cannons are actually usable, which is nice considering it's fluffy for TS to deploy them.

>>52503816

I can't even believe 98% of both 30k+40k playerbases even know that WS don't like dreads

>>52503648
Yeah. Khan too.. master cavalry guy with a jet bike... defended by Keshig in terminator armor.

>>52504586
So to sum everything up. It's been established that the White Scars had absolutely no dreadnoughts until they got to Terra.(Scars and PoH) However it's theoretically possible that the White Scars resorted to using them out of desperation during the Siege. I'm glad that's settled.

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>>52504682
Nonsense, White Scars use as much terminator armor as they do dreadnoughts in 40k so obviously they wouldn't use any in 30k, you need better b8 m8.

>>52504775
White Scars only use Tartaros, because it's the FASTEST pattern. Also it's okay for White Scars to use Terminators because they can Hit and Run and sprint 18" away, faster than a bike.

>>52504772

I guess, I'm just commenting on the fact that nobody at a store would ever even notice something was wrong since white Scars players tend to be singular in most communities

>>52504586
I'm more surprised that people keep thinking they didn't use dreads because they're slow, when you have a direct quote from IA that says the reason was cultural, based on the belief system of the people the Marines came from, not some tactical decision.

>>52504775

I know it's bait but they used terminator armor in Scars and even had storm shields in Path of Heaven.

In fact unless I'm misremembering, they had caraphractii armor on Prospero

>>52504829

Especially considering the Scars spent the majority of the heresy doing zone mortalis pirate raids in Spaaaaaaace, they weren't needing literal speed so much.

I'm going to laugh so hard if/when FW release a White Scars legion contemptor

>>52504935
I'm going to laugh harder when it's on a bike.

>>52504935

Just have all dreads be a 0-1 choice for white scars, so at most you could get a single talon

But maybe also give them rules for making WS dreads kinda crazy, even by dread standards

>>52504954

More likely that it'll be on treads, but I would buy a contemptor that transforms into a bike.

>>52503872
BEE BOO BAH DI DEE BAH
Babe.

>>52503863
That looks less White Scar and more Maple Leaf.

Anyone wanna help me build a list for my Salamanders? Here's the list of what I have:
10 Firedrakes (TH SS)
5 Catphractiis (LC w/1 HF)
10 Pyroclasts
2 Contemptors (1 w/MM&CCW, 1 w/KPAC&CCW)
2 Rhinos
1 Spartan
40 Tactical Marines
1 Drop Pod
and 1 Vulkan He'stan that I've done a couple of conversions to to make him look 30K and not 40k (head swap etc.) that I want to run as a Praetor
Any suggestions?
What should I buy next?

>>52505957
Apothecarys for your footsloggin dudes

>>52506035
Alrighty, will do

Anyone have a good list for a world eaters army under 400 bucks? I already own angron. Trying to sell my alpha legion or trade it

>>52506629

Buy three Calth boxes
Buy chainaxe bits
Convert one chaplain to an apothecary
Convert one chaplain to a praetor
Sell all your cataphractii
Faceroll onto tabletops with WE horde

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>TFW you buy Talons of The Emperor to supplement other armies
>Custodes and Sisters for 30k
>Land Raider, Rhino, and Dread for Deathwatch

Why did I do this. Why.

>>52507104
Thats a question i had. How tf do you model the arms of those monopose marines to hold bolt pistols and the axes believably

>>52507208

Left hand gets CCW
Right hand gets pistols
If unsatisfactory, buy Space Wolves or Berzerker CCW bits and use that

>>52507232
Do....do I need rhinos or? Anything other than horde?

>>52507317

If you want to play? No.
If you want to win? You have to spend at least $200 more, but you'll be breaking the budget.