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>star wars in the title

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>>52479534
As if that's going to cut down on the sith posting, that nexu got out of the bag around the time of Ep7. Like herpes and hoojibs, you're just going to have to live with it.

Post your turn 1 gambit lists http://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v4!s!200:106,-1,31,166:40:27:U.202,m.16,U.138;66:214,141:-1:25:;225::46:-1:U.-1,U.207&sn=Turn%201%20Gambit

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>you two careful, he is a big

What did he mean by this?

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>>52477924
> things will go FUBAR.

Oh, that was definitely the plan. I'm just amused this is the FUBAR they chose.

>I have no responsibilities but to show off how cool I am and get instant gratification.

Surprisingly enough, these guys are planning ahead and trying to come up with a plan that doesn't see them all hunted down and executed. The money is nice, but the real plan seems to be "either retire somewhere rich enough we can build a fortress or help topple the Empire".

>all logic Vader should be either in the middle of ransacking the place or coming down to shoot shit up.

They just barely got away with it. The Imperial blockade was also designed to keep people in, not keep people out, so for a few moments on approach they had a clear run. Took some hits, landed, and then legions of stormtroopers showed up with Vader leading them. A "Cthulhu eats 1d6 adventurers per round" scenario ensued, with NPCs dropping like flies. The PCs were smart, used terrain to their advantage (and grenades to collapse it), and were willing to let the Rebels fight to the death while they ran away.

They also did have to roll for this stuff. There were always chances of failure.

> Leaving him for somebody else to deal with never crossed their self centered brains.

They did take one look at the Falcon, decided the Falcon was in worse shape than their ship, and elected to do the "noble" thing. 'There's no way that hunk of junk is going to take off," they said.

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>>52479511
Daily reminder that tfa was fucking garbage that ruined the lore and r1 was a great movie that improved on Star Wars canon.

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>>52480854

>>52480854
I don't like exhaust port being an intentional design flaw specifically so a pilot could plop a torpedo in (whats wrong with it just being an unavoidable flaw?) but everything else was pretty good.

>>52480948
I don't know I think an intentional sabotage is more believable than having such a critical design flaw that no one knew about.

>>52480948
the exhaust port wasn't the intentional design flaw he built-in, the reactor being so unstable was.

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>>52480989
I don't think that's the implication.

Also, the phrase "single reactor ignition" is very evocative. It implies that there's some sort of process that goes: fuel reactor -> ignite reactor -> collect energy -> fuck that's a lot of energy -> immediately use it to power the weapon before the entire station explodes -> fire weapon.

You can't store that kind of power in a battery. A battery like that is just a bomb. So you build a reactor which is, by necessity, a kind of temporary bomb. It's not like a nuclear reactor, which is a nice steady state constant stream of power. It's more a two-stroke engine. Temporarily, to get the piston to move, there needs to be a controlled bomb-like environment.

So the Death Star is unstable because it needs to be. There's no two ways about it.

But SOMEONE put an unsheilded tube from the surface to the centre of this reactor. Tip the balance, and the entire thing falls apart. All the safety systems designed to prevent this were deliberately set up to conceal this possibility.

>>52481087

No, that's not what Galen said at all. He put an instability at the heart of the station, any explosion there would destabilize the whole thing. His message tells Jyn they need to access the plans in order to find the best way to place that explosion.

And the vent is ray shielded, it's why they had to use torpedoes. It's an exhaust vent so being shielded vs energy but letting physical ejecta through makes sense.

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>>52480854
"ARE WE BLIND!?!?!?!?"

>>52480854
Explain it to us again why your opinion is right, I wouldn't mind a detailed list of why TFA ruined the lore.

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>>52481240
Sure thing
>completely invalidated ROTJ
>brought nothing new to the setting
>rehash of ANH with none of the heart
>boring marysue protagonists
>shit on established lore about Star wars tech
>have to read a bunch of novels and comics for the world building to make a bit of sense
>even Lucasfilms hated it

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>>52481438
>boring marysue protagonists

So, I've posted this before, but at the very least I can offer some counterpoint for Rey's immediate grasp of the Force.

Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight, had.... maybe a week of actual training. Obi-Wan sat with him for a few hours on the Falcon, and he spent a few days with Yoda on Dagobah. That's it.

It wasn't particularly conventional training. Obi-Wan made him wear a blindfold and block irritating lasers. Yoda made him do headstands and run around a swamp. It doesn't make a lot of sense. Surely, becoming a Jedi takes more than a few pushups. What's really going on here?

Luke is a skeptic. He doubts everything, gets frustrated, and wants to quit. He knows you can't block blaster bolts while blindfolded. He knows an X-wing is heavier than rock. He knows these things because they are true... from a certain point of view.

But as we know, that's not the truth at all. To the Force, there is no weight. There is no time. That's why Yoda says, "Do, or do not. There is no try." Your effort has nothing to do with it. It's all about faith. If you believe that the X-Wing will be lifted, it will be lifted.

Yoda isn't building Luke's muscles. He's breaking down his resistance. The constant exercise and lousy food is just like boot camp, except this is some weird Gnostic version. It's the same thing with the training on the Falcon. Obi-Wan isn't training Luke to block blaster shots. He's forcing him to confront the impossible and accept it. On the final attack run on the Death Star, Obi-Wan says to "Use the Force, Luke." But he immediately says to "Let go."

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>>52481476

One the main criticism of Rey's character in The Force Awakens was her ability to instantly, without any training, use the Force to do "difficult" tasks. She moves objects with her mind, plants commands, senses memories, all that, and with no training at all. How?

She believes. She is a complete and utter fanatic. She closes her eyes and really trusts in the Force. Luke constantly struggles to overcome his doubt and let go, but Rey doesn't. She believes unconditionally. For her, there is no "try".

Han tells her it's all true, and she believes.

>>52481482
Yeah but we're never given that as a reason. She just does and we have to figure out why.

>>52481438
>completely invalidated ROTJ
how so? You're going to need to back that claim up with an argument.

>rehash of ANH
Won't argue there, but it isn't a bad thing
>none of the heart
I disagree entirely. TFA had just as much if not more character development than ANH
>shit on established lore about Star wars tech
You talking about the Falcon jump? Canon changed. Get over it.
>have to read a bunch of novels and comics for the world building to make a bit of sense
Not true in the least
>even Lucasfilms hated it
Got a source?

>>52481482
The force doesn't work that way or there would have been more than 10000 Jedi in the order at the height of their power nor would they have required that children be young when their training started. How does she even know Jedi mind tricks is something you can do?

>>52481516
>She just does and we have to figure out why.
>Spoon-feed me

>>52481518
not that anon, but it invalidated the defeat of the Empire since we still have the First Order, and the end of the Sith since we have Kylo and Snoke. It completely ruins the prophecy that Anakin will bring balance to the force. There's still the sith and the dark side. RotJ was supposed to be the end.

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>>52481438
And as for the rest:
>completely invalidated ROTJ

Depends on your point of view. Sagas never really end. I guess we'll need to wait and see how these arcs are handled.

>shit on established lore about Star wars tech

Space Opera. Tech, time, distance, and competence all fluctuate as the setting requires.

>have to read a bunch of novels and comics for the world building to make a bit of sense

That's pretty much always been the case, if you're into a setting like this "making sense". I wouldn't worry too much about it though. It's never going to be fully consistent or logical. That's not what it's for.

>>52481476
Just nit picking, obi wan had a few days with luke counting tatooine and the falcon trip and yoda had at least a month because the falcon had to limp at sub light speed to bespin. Your point still stands, Im just being autistic

>>52481535
>establish in 6 previous films that these are all extremely hard to do things, an that requires training and extreme power in the force
>let someone with no training or even exposure in the force before hand just do whatever without explanation

>>52481533
>How does she even know Jedi mind tricks is something you can do?
She heard the legends of jedi like Luke and figured it's something all force users can do. She believed blindly and it payed off.

>>52481538
>invalidated the defeat of the Empire since we still have the First Order, and the end of the Sith since we have Kylo and Snoke
By that logic, so did the EU, since imperial factions and Sith both existed post-RotJ.

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>Its another "The Force Awakens" was GOOD/AWFUL thread

>>52481571
I'l give you that, and that's why I didn't enjoy or really read the EU

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>>52481533
>nor would they have required that children be young when their training started

Come on, dude.

You want to raise fanatics. You want to raise true believers. Do you start them old, whiny, and skeptical? Or do you start them as young as possible? This is religion we're talking about here.

Remember, they have to believe that they can literally do impossible things.

And since the Force seems to be tied to bloodlines, and the order is small and monastic, and since most people aren't /really/ that good at believing in impossible things, it makes sense to have a small group of monk-wizard-knights.

>>52481518
Luke and his friends saved the galaxy from the empire. Han and Leia was supposed to live happily ever after and Luke was supposed to train a new Jedi order. In tfa Luke failed hard and ran away into hiding, Han goes back to being a fucking smuggler and Leia is now in a new not-rebellion fighting against a new not-empire.
And no I will not get over the Falcon jump. How would you like it if someone new decided to retcon that you don't need a Geller field to travel through the warp or that the Red color in MtG is now about card control and shit
Yeah it is true since the movie does a piss poor job of explaining why the NR is not seated in Coruscant and why they don't believe the resistance about the first order or how the first order can fund their warmachine and etc.
And go look up and Pablo Hidalgo tweets. He ranks tfa with aotcs.

>>52481538
>There's still the sith
Snoke isn't Sith, why even start this fight you don't know anything about it?

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>>52481545
> and yoda had at least a month because the falcon had to limp at sub light speed to bespin

It was moving at the speed of plot. Could have been a month. Could have been 2 days. Doesn't really matter either way - clearly, that's insufficient time to become a Jedi.... unless it's not about the training at all.

>>52481613
Well, it is a day ending in a "y"...

>>52481613
That's what happens literally every time they put "Star Wars" in the title.
OP should know better.

>>52481240
It ruined the cast of the OT
-Han's a deadbeat husband who abandons his wife and kid and is finally killed by his said kid
-Luke is a failure and a hermit. The Jedi Order is still dead after Return of the Jedi and a bunch of new darksiders have taken over
-Leia is still a Rebel leader after the fall of the Empire has failed to revitalize the Republic politically. If anything the sequels are more pro-Empire and shows the Republic is worse.

So in a nutshell the OT cast failed harder than the prequel cast (despite the former's victory in ROTJ over the Emperor and subsequent defeat of the Empire), despite the latter cast handing the reins of government to said Sith Lord and later Emperor, giving him emergency powers and helped fight the Clone Wars.

TFA is a grimdark bad end. It shares many of the similar features with the tail end of the Legends EU in trying to make everything worse for the sake of drama and escalation.
-Luke's trainees are slaughtered for Sith Wannabes
-the NR as a political institution fails
-Han and Leia's son becomes a Sith Lord

Lack of original ideas that are mostly either in the current EU or Legends
-another superweapon/death star, but bigger and more powerful
-another Skywalker who has fallen to the darkside again
-a stormtrooper who joins the Rebels/Resistance
-a junk dealing skywalker/solo descendent
-another jedi purge

It foregoes world building or character development for senseless mayhem, violence and action and nostalgia for the OT. Instead of building it owns stories and worlds and challenges for the new generation and cast, it just steals the arcs from the OT characters and ruins the OT characters by making them fail so that Rey and Finn and Ben can have a trilogy.

>>52480948

You misunderstood the movie, mate. The exhaust port wasn't an intentional design flaw. The thing that Erso did was make it so that the reactor would fuckin' explode if hit with a single proton torpedo.

He says "reactor module" like a dozen times, and says "exhaust port" zero. Don't base your opinion on shitty assumptions. Especially if you don't actually understand movies.

>>52480989
Reactors are not temporary bombs. They're the opposite of that.

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>>52481559
>establish in 6 previous films that these are all extremely hard to do things, an that requires training and extreme power in the force

See:

>>52481476
>>52481482

Not that well established. It's not really about the training, because the training makes no sense. It's about the mental training/belief/conversion process.

>let someone with no training or even exposure in the force before hand

Again, we don't really know that.

But she's clearly heard stories. Otherwise the "it's true" line doesn't make a lot of thematic sense. She's heard stories about Jedi and their powers, but in a legendary sense.

And then some guy says, "It's true. I was there." And she goes full DAESH.

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>>52481668
Fucking this.

>>52481668
>It ruined the cast of the OT
You can't pass the torch to a new generation of heroes if the OT cast are still great at what they do and keeping evil at bay. You need them to get old and shitty so the new generation has a reason to exist.

>Lack of original ideas that are mostly either in the current EU or Legends
Right now, pitch an original idea. Come up with a plotline that hasn't been done in the setting before.

>>52481689
>>52481689
I agree with what that guy says. I'm saying the movie is bad for never giving us that in film itself and forcing us to dig for it. It's not reasoning it out, almost no ones gets what that anon is saying. If 95% don't get your message, you're shitty at sending a message.

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>>52481679
>Reactors are not temporary bombs. They're the opposite of that.

If you're thinking "Reactor" as in "steady state nuclear reactor" than yes, not a bomb.

If you're thinking "Reactor" as in "single reactor ignition" and "giant energy /spike/ needed to power a planet-killing laser for a few seconds" then yes, the reactor pretty much has to be a bomb.

The alternative is that the batteries the reactor is filling are bombs. And that's silly, because why "ignite" a reactor just to store the energy?

>>52481668
This guy gets it.

>>52481689
It's made extremely clear that it takes proper training and meditation to use force abilities and especially something like a mind trick. It isn't just clap your hands to believe. It takes years and effort to be good with a lightsaber and force powers such as mind tricks are arguably harder than that. Also notice everytime we have seen a jedi use a mind trick prior to tfa the Jedi has used a hand gesture. Notice how Rey didn't even have to do that.

>>52481722
It could be a different type of evil. Let them be heroes of the New Republic desperately trying to keep the First Order/Empire Remants from rising again. Don't let the OT be failures, just let them be passing the torch. The heroes start out neutral with the old guard getting too old to keep doing what they do over starting out with a failure on their hands.

>>52481689
I believe it's the writers taking the force back to being belief based mysticism rather than the genetic superpowers that the EU slowly turned it into, though it doesn't really do a good job of showing us that.
>>52481679
>Don't base your opinion on shitty assumptions. Especially if you don't actually understand movies.
That's unnecessarily hostile, we really shouldn't have put Star Wars on the thread. I'd rather have X-Wing builds than yet another argument.

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>>52481668
>Han's a deadbeat husband who abandons his wife and kid

Never though of Han as a good parent. It doesn't seem to be in his nature. Makes his "heroic smuggler can-do anything" character more interesting.

As for the rest though, valid.

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>>52481767
>Waaahhh waahhh stop being mean to me for being wrong!

>>52481762
>Let them be heroes of the New Republic desperately trying to keep the First Order/Empire Remants from rising again
That's what TFA was... like, literally, to the letter.

>>52481722
>You need them to get old and shitty so the new generation has a reason to exist.
Or they could still remain competent but simply not be on the front lines or right next to the new cast. Stick Leia in a CIC like any normal high-ranking officer. Han gets a capital ship or takes the Falcon and does wingman things. Luke does Jedi/soldiery/Aragorn things on the other side of the conflict that somehow lets the new heroes strike the killing blow on their end. There's plenty of ways to keep the old heroes around without completely fucking them over.

>>52481791
Han was a fucking general and hero of the rebellion. How the fuck did he 180 and turn back into a smuggler and a shitty one at that.

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>>52481760
>proper training and meditation to use force abilities

Where? Where in the films is this made clear?

>It takes years and effort to be good with a lightsaber and force powers

See: >>52481476

At best, Luke had 2 months of training if we're being generous, and he did pretty darn well. And his training wasn't even about swordfighting! How the heck do you explain that away?

>Notice how Rey didn't even have to do that.

Noticed, shrugged, and discarded.

If a hand gesture makes your magic work, sure. But it seems like a very... odd requirement.

>>52481767
Correct. The title of the film alone should explain that.

>>52481791
Oh come on, the dude's defending his wrong position and using it as the lynchpin in his opinion about the movie. He needs a little tough love.

Also, I F5 every /swg/, not just ones with "Star Wars" in the title.

Don't just presume I'm a normie. I'm a Jedi Prince-loving, Sienar-shitposting faggot like the rest of you.

>>52481817
no more war to fight. Gotta make money once those rebellion credits dry up. The New Republic senate probably didn't want a smuggler around their navy for any longer than he was necessary. Look how they treated Leia after learning about her dad.

>>52481722
>Right now, pitch an original idea. Come up with a plotline that hasn't been done in the setting before.
A Black Sun leader who loves historical artifacts is hoarding old Jedi stuff before the Empire gets their hands on it, but he is being obstructed by a Hutt who is just a petty dickhole doing it for the sheer sake of it. And Lando is there.

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>>52481817
People fall back into old patterns all the time. Han probably loved the praise and the heroism, but hated the paperwork and the tedious, complicated decisions and the politics. He'd happily lead strike teams or whatever, but discussing garrison force disarmament and treaty obligations... not his thing.

So when things went awry and he realized yelling wasn't helping, he did the only thing he was ever really good at. Smuggling.

>>52481801
No, the First Order already rose and created, somehow (despite having a galactic empire-sized state to fund it), a weapon greater than the Empire ever could.

>>52481817
>bitches about TFA
>complains about a character doing the same thing they did in the EU

AHAHHAHAHAHHA

>>52481722
>You can't pass the torch to a new generation of heroes if the OT cast are still great at what they do and keeping evil at bay.

Of course you can. Its called retirement. Its just that hack writers can't get it into their heads that you can have a just system that deserves to be protected by a new generation of heroes, so they have to bullshit up a new reason for the heroes to be Rebels/Resistance.

Or they could have just moved the timeline further and left the original trilogy heroes alone.

>>52481722
>Right now, pitch an original idea. Come up with a plotline that hasn't been done in the setting before.

Extra-galactic exploration

CorSec Police Procedural where a Human and Selonian are reluctantly made partners to solve a string of robberies and they'd better solve it by Monday or the angry Drall captain wants their badges on his desk.

Jedi graduate of Luke's academy travels to a savage planet with valuable resources and has to negotiate with local feudal politics, seductive space queens, and the villain unleashing an ancient Sith artifact upon the galaxy and now he/she has to deal with it/get word back to the Republic of the threat.

>>52481868
>a weapon greater than the Empire ever could
The empire helped... Starkiller Base was the planet from which the Empire mined the metals to build the deathstars. It is reasonable to assume it was the late Empire who started building the weapon.

>>52481884
But didn't he and Liea stay together and and raise at least 1 kid who became a Rogue Squaddie?

>>52481887
Y'know I'd honestly watch a Star Wars buddy cop TV show.

>>52481923
>Y'know I'd honestly watch something worse than the christmas special
Me too. but I wouldn't like it.

>>52481918
Yeah, but none of that means that Han didn't go right back to smuggling.

>>52481887
>CorSec Police Procedural
Corran Horn origin story? Sounds like fun if Stackpole's writing could be supplemented by someone of Allston's caliber and humor.

>>52481934
I dunno, it could be a fun bit of skits. It doesn't have to be super serious, and a bit of cheese is always fun.

>>52481829
Dude are you blind? Why else did Luke need a teacher? Why else did he need training? Why did Anakin need a master? Why is there a master/padawan relationship? Why was Obi-Wan 25 before he finally became a knight? TFA is the one that makes it seem like to learn the force all you have to do is believe which contradicts everything we have seen before. I can't wait till TLJ and Lucasfilms to fix all the damage that JJ and bad robot did to the canon.

>>52481923
>I'd honestly watch a Star Wars buddy cop TV show.

This is what the prequels should have been with Anakin and Obiwan

>>52481984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=350PQ6LU2sQ

I'd buy that for a dollar

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>>52481982
>Why else did Luke need a teacher?

Because he didn't believe. He was a skeptic. He kept trying because he thought "If I /work hard enough at this with my brain/ the X-wing will lift". He needed someone to tell him /not/ to try, because there is no such thing as trying.

You either believe, or you don't. You can't try to believe.

That's the spiritual aspect people miss. It's not about "learning Jedi powers" or "how to wave your hand in just the right way". It's more about learning about yourself. Learning to let go of the skeptical shackles.

>Why did Anakin need a master?

Same deal. Took him less time though. Luke was pretty stubborn.

>Why is there a master/padawan relationship?

Because midway through, Lucas forgot what he (or his editors) were doing, and kind of lost the plot a bit.

Or it may have been that the old Jedi were all about the "safe" path of belief. Slow, careful progress, as to avoid the risk of the Dark Side.

Rey is just like "FUCK IT. SAFETY OFF". Sure, she's risking the Dark Side path, but she's not aware of those dangers (yet).

>all the damage that JJ and bad robot did to the canon.

This canon - all of it - is pretty nearly unsalvageable if what you want is consistency and logic. It's like a gigantic floating trash island. Sometimes it rolls over, but it's still a giant trash island. Don't build your house on it.

>>52481722
>You can't pass the torch to a new generation of heroes if the OT cast are still great at what they do and keeping evil at bay.

Then introduce new villains and new challenges for the new cast. Don't recycle the Emperor (as Snoke), the Empire (as the First Order) or Vader (as Kylo Ren) or Tarkin (as Hux). The OT was the the Rebels vs Empire and the PT was the Republic vs Sith. The Sequel Trilogy needs to do its own thing. Instead they borrowed everything from the OT and as a consequence made Luke/Leia/Han failures. Make the NR Post-Empire as a setting work. Make the NJO different from the Old Jedi. Do something original instead of Rebels Mk 2 versus Empire Mk2. Scale back the existential galactic wide threats. It doesn't have to be the biggest and baddest threat ever.

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>>52482144
> Don't recycle the Emperor (as Snoke), the Empire (as the First Order) or Vader (as Kylo Ren) or Tarkin (as Hux).

I'll accept the first 2. I won't accept the second set. Both Kylo and Hux are very, very different archetypes. You might not like them, but they are at least different.

>>52482204
This guy gets it.

Kylo Ren is not Vader. He's emotional and not in control of himself. His flaws actually make him one of the more interesting new characters, whereas Vader was interesting because of how in-control and reserved he was.
Also, beyond being imperial military leaders, Hux and Tarkin have little in common thus far.

>>52482243
Yeah Hux is shittier

>>52482102
>It's like a gigantic floating trash island. Sometimes it rolls over, but it's still a giant trash island. Don't build your house on it.

Unless you're some kind of cartoon band

>>52482338
To be fair, it's Peter Cushing. Most people are going to be shittier than him.

>>52482243
>kylo emotional
>vader not emotional
Is it just me or was he pretty damn emotional for almost all of it. Being reserved in front of peons is one thing, but vader goes at obiwan with pure hate, and then duels him in 4 with some emotion since he is once again in front of a man that cut off 3/4 of his extremities. He fights luke with lots of emotion on bespin, and luke does the same. He shows emotion right up to the very end, with contempt and love and hate all wrapped up into one. Hell he choked out the moff for insulting his "religion" and when the DS2 wasnt on schedule to be finished.

The mistake people make is that the mask and the resperators voice dont give him the outward appearence of emotion so they assume he doesnt have any. Its his actions that make it visible.

>>52481516
Yeah fuck show-don't-tell storytelling. I like my movies explained in great detail by the characters at every step.

>>52482416
Kylo is Vader if he fell as a Padawan and never actually fought a war.

>>52481482
I get this, but I feel that it's not a very good character moment. You don't really take your first steps into a whole new world if it turns out that you were tapdancing there the whole time.

>>52482468
It's bad story telling when 95% of the audience doesn't get it.

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>>52482481
I suspect Rey's arc is going to be the opposite of Luke. Luke slow waded into the pool from the shallow end. Rey jumped into the deep end and is going to need someone to pull her free.

His arc was about learning to believe. Her arc might be about the dangers of fanaticism.

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>>52479511
WHO THE FUCK KEEPS FUCKING UP THESE OPS!!!!!!!!

>>52482559
>95% of the audience doesn't get it
It's just a really dumb audience

>>52482602
>>52482559
Ever played Bloodborne?

That game has a story, but it's a fucking weird and complicated story. It takes a lot of effort and time to untangle it.

But even if you don't understand all aspects of the story, it's a great game.

>>52481884
He didnt go back to smuggling in EU.
Up until thrawn is killed he is a general, and acts as an escort for his diplomat/chief of state wife
Once the kids are born he helps raise them and helps luke build his njo and acts as an intelligence officer for the new republic
He becomes an advocate for corellias reunification and a private citizen. He invests in some of Lando's companies and makes fat stacks.
He also keeps ties with the rimward private sector and advocates for the end of galactic slavery.

Really its only when jacen starts mucking about that he goes back to being "criminal" and even then hes more of a privateer if anything. Like a refugee from his own sons actions.

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>>52480854
R1 had Hannibal in it, so it was pretty much an auto-win for me

>>52482102
>Because midway through, Lucas forgot what he (or his editors) were doing, and kind of lost the plot a bit.
I disagree, actually. It's a bit of headcanon welding and EU, but we see several Jedi who don't fit the typical "I carves it up with my lightsaber" mold. I could see the Master/Padawan relationship as something that allows a trainee who shows an aptitude for a specific field to get more effective one on one training. So Jedi Master Mek Anic takes on Padawan Karr Fixer to hone those skills more effectively, or Master Sord Yuser and Blayde Wahrior or whatever. Though, I'd wish Padawans were taken at 15 or 16, rather than 13, to give them all a more comprehensive grounding in the basics.

M9-G8: Underrated Astromech or Total Sack of Shit?

I think this upgrade is really interesting in its design but I struggle to think of lists and situations where it's really worth the opportunity cost of the Astromech slot. The offensive ability to lock onto friendlies to give them a micro target lock effect is really cool though the only rebel ship that doesn't naturally have a target lock of its own is the captured TIE. I think maybe you could do something interesting with two TIEs and an ARC with M9 and Weapons Engineer but that's an already pretty expensive ARC loadout just to make TIEs a little more effective at the cost of being able to do any rerolls on the ARC.

Defensively I think M9 might have a good place on low pilot skill ships who want target locks for ordnance, like gold or grey squadron Y-wings, since the ability to make your attacker reroll a die before you then spend the lock to fire a torpedo could be the difference between dying early and living with one hull to fire that second torpedo later. However putting an expensive astromech like M9 on a low skill, low maneuverability ship like the Y-wing, especially one loaded up with torpedos, seems like putting too many eggs in a basket unlikely to carry their weight, and with the Y-wings low-green dial it seems like the slot would be better spent on astros like the R2 or R5-K6 to make taking red moves less punishing.

What are your opinions on M9-G8? Had any great successes with it or is it just one of those cards that you never touch since there's other, better options for the slot?

>>52482204
Hux is actually the one character I think is 100% dead-on perfect.

>>52482812
My thoughts are that xwing is a lame bullshit game

>>52482896
He is literally just a Hitler strawman

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>>52479719
>that list

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>>52482915
Two words: Space Opera.

That's completely fine.

He's got some nuance to him though. It's enough to make him an interesting addition.

>>52482767
This. it's a literal master-apprentice connection. Basic Jedi training at the temple gives padawans the basics and fundamentals, field experience with a master allows for pragmatism and mastering a niche within the Jedi order.

>>52482941
Can you point some out because I honestly can't see it.

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>>52482962
Sure.

He's got that kind of fierce craziness that implies a touch of doubt too. It's like he's trying to convince /himself/ all the time.

And he's young. Weirdly young, for his job. It makes it clear that this is a /new/ Empire, run by the young, who grew up among the legends of Tarkin and Vader and the rule of law. And he's competent-ish, from what we see of him and given the genre's constraints.

But he has to work for a crazy wizard overlord. He has to manage this unstable but powerful teenager. He has no idea why Luke Skywalker is so fucking important.

Tarkin would never scream and rant like he does. He lacks the aristocratic smugness.

>>52483032
Fair enough points

Did a short video on the stresshog, since I totally left it out of my Y-wing stuff. Unless you're relatively new to X-wing, I'd say ignore this post because it is fairly basic stuff if you've got your feelers in the competetive scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpCULzAQ8Fw

>>52483032
I hope we get from him what we never got from Tarkin

>>52483093
This thread isn't for you to shill your shitty channel

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>>52483096
>I hope we get from him what we never got from Tarkin
?

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>>52483032
I love that Hux is the Hitler Youth if they got a chance to grow up as the Hitler Youth, if we get fleet action in TLJ I really want him to have a little cackle as he sees Resistance/Republic corvettes break in two.

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>>52483112
You're right, this thread is for memes and frogposting and bickering over imaginary space activities.

God forbid anyone push this thread closer to oblivion by one post, by linking to some useful OC.

>>52483112
Dude, almost all of my subs are from this general, multiple anons in past threads have told me to post my stuff here more. I'm sorry that you have a problem with it.

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>>52483142
>I love that Hux is the Hitler Youth if they got a chance to grow up as the Hitler Youth,

I mean... that's a weird use of the word "love" but it's a great way to phrase it.

>>52483142
>tfw Trioculus and the Council of Moffs will never return to nucanon and show Hux how it's really done

>>52483151
>>52483156
The shill that keeps on shilling

>>52483112
It's not for you to make your shitposts either.

>>52482812
I love M9. Personally I like running it with jess pava, friendly locking Biggs to give him rerolls while he's alive, and then targeting an an ace or something to fuck up their attacks. Forcing the reroll of a crit has saved my ass numerous times. It might not be competitive but it's fun casually for a bit of control shenanigans

>>52483189
With the amount of anons here that are working on it, we'll see Trioculus in XWM in 2018/19 at least. That's something.

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>>52483182
You can love bad people being bad in style.

The FO is funny and terrifying. Pathetic but but very dangerous.

>>52482896
He could have been older. It's a weird - and frankly unrealistic, Hollywood-level misunderstanding of the military - decision that the people leading the First Order are in their thirties.

>>52483343
>Hollywood-level misunderstanding of the military
It works because space opera. Having 30 year old senior officers makes for a better fantasy in a lot of cases. They're assumed to have been promoted quickly by their merits rather than being long-serving career-officers.

>>52483343
But that's what make it great, everyone with experience and sense is dead or has defected to trying and sell their expertise elsewhere or get a place in the legitimate government.

All that's left is the fanatics and the fanatics they raised, they're promoting literal children because they officer corps evaporated.

>holovid series made for Imperial children
>starring a team of Storm Troopers wearing brightly-colored versions of the standard uniform
>it's basically Power Rangers but the villain is some evil rebel woman who keeps sending "monsters" that are offensive caricatures of Wookies, Twi'Lek, and other nonhumans

>>52483151
>You're right, this thread is for memes and frogposting and bickering over imaginary space activities.

And the Seventh Sister making use of teenage boys.

>>52483295
>>52483334
I wonder what Hux thinks of the old Moffs and Empire leaders. Failures who let the Empire down? Heroes failed by their people?

>>52483334
Jokes aside, they're very much that weird kid who you know could bring a gun to school one day.

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>>52480854
This is the most accurate post I've seen about Star Wars all week.

Have you ever commissioned art of your characters, ships, or NPCs?

>>52483156
Eh, I'm ok with it. Not like its irrelevant and we're starting to get a lot more of the x-wing guys here

>>52483494
Sarah Michelle Gellar already ruined enough young minds with Buffy, she needs to be stopped before another generation wanks themselves into a coma

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>>52483649
Yep

>>52483679
There have always been x-wing guys here, it's just that 90% of the time people try to talk about it there's one or two posts and then it all gets buried as the thread rushes to 404 with people repeating the same arguments over about whether or not the Empire dindu nuffin or if Rey is a Mary Sue.

>>52483693
Who'd you commission that from?
I'm writing a tabletop game or two that could use art before they go to kickstarter.

>>52483693
Shit that's good, how much was it?

>>52483718
I recognize that art style as Will Nunes. He does tons of Star Wars shit, he's pretty good.

>>52483712
Pretty much this. It's why having X-wing content creators is important. It gives the x-wing guys something to do because they aren't well received here of all places. Hell, I think the convos about whether or not Armada is a dead game are more active than anything x-wing related.

>>52483679
Seventh Sister was killed off way too early for how fun she was.

For X-Wing people, how can I fit an ARC-170 into a list? Preferably with a K-Wing too, those models are fucking sexy as hell to me.

>>52483782
ARC-170 is only good as a jouster IMO.
Doesn't really synergize with the K-Wing at all.
If you like both ships equally, just run Miranda/Corran, or 2 K-wings and Biggs, or 3K. ARC 170 is in a niche that isn't good enough to base a squad off of right now.

>>52483718
Will Nunes

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>>52483712
A few people need to go back to their /tv/ hug box and unfuck themselves.
I mean, we care about the moves, rebels and all that shit as a secondary interest, but for the most part its sometimes irrelevant to table top gaming and rpgs where we just make our own shit up.

Or conduct "scientific testing" on alien species.

>>52483693
How much was it?

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>>52480854
>made the empire look like a bunch of bumbling morons
>improved lore

>>52483718
35 Americans for a full body design

>>52483849
How do you figure? They seemed far more competent in R1 than they did in either ANH or RotJ and way more competent than TFA.

>>52483849
Did...

Did it? I don't think it did. Are you the same guy who was pissed about the space battle in here when the film cam out?

>>52483782
The two big ways I've gotten results from them is to go either top of the line super upgraded or cheap stresser.
Norra with either R2-D2 or BB-8 and PTL is a great consistent damage dealer with good survivability and you can toss C-3PO or Lando in for even more survival.
The other build is Braylen with R3-A2 since you can stress stuff in front of and behind you and shed the stress fairly reliably to keep getting your actions. You can even chuck in tactician or gunner to try and stress more but I feel that makes it a bit too pricey for what you're getting.

Let's say an outlaw has two bounties on his head. Could someone who takes him down collect both bounties, or does the first bounty collected "cancel" the other bounties?

I feel dumb for asking, like there's an obvious logical answer to that question and I can't see it.

I'm thinking about the bad guy in EotE Core's adventure. He has a bounty offered by the Empire and another one offered by a Hutt.

>>52483903
>>52483913

>far more competent
>a comic-relief droid and a random bitch can beat them up
>they stand around waiting to get shot
>they do nothing at all until death troopers arrive

They're infinitely more competent in ANH. The only time they even lose to the heroes if when Tarkin orders them to chase them off the Death Star, not kill them, so that they can lead him back to the Rebel Base.

Those stormtroopers in an alleyway have no excuse to stand there why some girl is beating them up to not either shoot her or go over and actually make an attempt to fight her, which would result in her skull getting cracked in.

>>52483903
>more competent than TFA.
They decapitated the new republic in TFA. Literally did more damage to their enemies than any other iteration of the Empire.

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>>52483938
That is blatant biased nitpicking. In ROTJ stormtroopers got wrekt by fucking teddie bears.

>>52483929
Depends. If the bounty has to be claimed alive, obviously it can only be claimed once. If you only need to provide proof that you killed him, then it can be claimed from both parties, assuming there's enough proof to go around (you can only give the severed head to one of them).

>>52483903
>>52483913
>>52483938
>>52483940
What we're all forgetting here is stormtroopers will never be competent against main characters, because some writers have a thing they do called "plot armor." An insanely fucking idiotic lamebrained halfwitted mentally-defunct technique where the heroes are invincible for story purposes. Stormtroopers are competent until the story needs them not to be, and incompetent until the story needs them not to be.

>>52483940
Well yeah but I meant in more general terms like how STs couldn't just shoot a untrained kid with a lightsaber or how SK base was wrekt by 10 obsolete xwings.

>>52483971
>initial ambush of ewoks hurts them
>they then fight back and massacre almost all of the ewok's warriors

I fail to see the point. Do some reading on Endor before you post "hehehe wrekt ewokz XD"

By the way, ewoks were added in at the last minute by Lucas to encourage making toys off of them and therefore getting more money.

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>>52483981
>hat we're all forgetting here is stormtroopers will never be competent against main characters, because some writers have a thing they do called SPACE OPERA

It's built into the genre. Get over it.

>>52483929
Cancel, but depends on the bounty. Normally the bounty is to turn someone in the one paying it, dead or alive. However, the Hutt in this example may be please to know someone is in prison, and thus where they can send someone to shiv them. But the Empire isn't paying for anything less than the person turned in, fuck if he's with a Hutt in carbonite or not.

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>>52483971
>>52483992
>wrekt

>>52483981
>>52483992
Space Opera. Its a work of pure fantasy, my dude. It's about good overcoming evil despite absurd odds. It's important to remember just what setting we're discussing here.

>>52483998
>a quotation of a retard sperging out retardedly to defend a subjective writing style

Ok.

>>52483995
And than the ewoks counter attack and destroy at-sts with logs and shit. The empire was comical during Endor. At least the empire killed everyone on Scariff.

>>52483979
>>52484001
Thanks guys, makes sense.

>>52484019
In my mind, as it always has been, Star Wars will be sci-fi first, fantasy second. It has enough elements of both to qualify as both. That's the way I've viewed it since I was a SW-obsessed kid, and it's how I view it now.

>>52484006
Not an argument

>>52484033
The technology runs on space magic. It ain't a scifi, it just takes place in space.

>>52484033
I think he meant "fantasy" as in it's fiction, mate.

>>52484026
A really stupid series of events, sure. Again, added in at the last minute by Lucas to encourage toy sales. It's practically non-canon. Even if you consider it canon, the Empire still blows the fuck out of the Ewoks afterward. Almost none of the Ewoks involved with the fight survived, despite there being far more of them than there were Imperials.

And if we're being honest, it's not unheard of for a primitive force to engage a far superior one and win via asymmetrical warfare. Look at the Battle of Isandlwana, where a group of warriors armed with spears, bows, and a handful of near-ancient muskets defeated an army of highly-trained, well-equipped British soldiers that constituted the greatest army and empire on Earth at the time.

No one says the British Empire was horribly incompetent or that its soldiers were "lol wrekt xd" and retarded for that battle. They say that a primitive force overcame greater odds with heavy casualties by using asymmetrical tactics and ambush strategies.

>>52483938
>comic-relief droid and a random bitch
Are you also the sort of person that like to make Micky Mouse Palapatine edits and lament the "death" of the franchise at his hand?

>>52483971
Everyone got their shit pushed in by those gay things.

>>52484099
That is nowhere near the same. Those ancient warriors weren't 3 feet tall and needed assistance to get down off of a log nor where they facing heavy armor, automatic weapons and mecha. And to be honest I am not complaining about it either. I am just using this as an example to the fag who keeps complaining that r1 made the empire look stupid when in fact the empire was pretty damn competent in it compared to most portrayals of them in movies.

>>52484150
You bet your ass I do. Fuck post-1990 Disney. Fuck it to kingdom come. It's the EA of film and television. It gobbles up everything it can get its grubby hands on and fucks it up, milking it dry before tossing it out to die.

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>>52484151
Talk shit get hit!

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>>52484171

>>52484099
>Again, added in at the last minute by Lucas

Absolutely wrong. The Ewoks were in every draft of ROTJ (and outlasted the Revenge of the Jedi title, there being two Death Stars and the battle happening over the Imperial Capital "Had Abaddon" and Luke/Vader fighting over a lava pit).

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>>52484099
I kind of want to do Zulu Dawn with ewoks now

>>52484229
They're still awful. You know it's bad when the holding company has to specifically say they weren't all killed by space debris because so many people cherish the idea.

>>52484099
The British Empire wasn't defeated by primitives. It was ended by the fact that it was too expensive to maintain after the vast sums poured into WW2. The Malay Emergency and Mau Mau Uprising showed they were capable of dealing with the natives efficiently and brutally.

>>52484229
>Luke/Vader fighting over a lava pit
God, can you imagine how terribly that would have aged.

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>>52484206

>>52484288
Yeah but the future RotS pottery

How do you make your NPCs for your games?

>>52484229
The Ewoks were never intended to beat the Empire. They were to try to help after the Rebels coerce them into fighting, which they do, but they were to be utterly annihilated. Leia was to almost be killed. Han was to be shot dead attacking the bunker. Rebel ground troops were to be annihilated, which they were. Endor in its initial draft was intended to be an absolute stomping fest for the Rebels, with everything hinging on whether or not Vader redeemed himself and killed Palpatine. That was the only possible way the Rebellion could've won. It still was, but the end result was much more neutered, dumbed-down, and kid-friendlied because Lucas legitimate said he feared it would cause an impact on toy sales to have a 'darker' Star Wars movie. Its original title, Revenge of the Jedi, was indication enough that it wasn't a heroic ending to a heroic tale, but a tooth-and-nail struggle where both sides were doing everything they could to win, and in the end, the Rebellion did win, but at massive cost to themselves and with Luke forever scarred by the shit he had to do to win.

>>52484376
>The Ewoks were never intended to beat the Empire. They were to try to help after the Rebels coerce them into fighting, which they do, but they were to be utterly annihilated. Leia was to almost be killed. Han was to be shot dead attacking the bunker.

None of that is true. Go look at the SW Annotated Screenplays or Making of ROTJ. Han dying never made it past the discussion stage. In fact earlier endings were much happier and Anakin/Yoda/Obi-Wan even come back from the dead at the end.

>>52483121
A second movie, I assume.

>>52481797

The novelization made it pretty clear that Erso also arranged for the exhaust port too, so how about you lay off him.

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>>52481762
How about we get a movie where they're heroes of the Empire trying to fight both the NR and FO and bring back Palpatine's envisioned society? Is it too much to ask for the Empire NOT to be shown as the bad guys for just once in a major non-EU piece of Star Wars media? For just one time in 40 years?

>>52484654
>Is it too much to ask
yes. Sith are evil, get over it.

>>52484705

They aren't really, not objectively at least.

>>52484654
>good empire

the empire is evil even in legends with the remnant or felpire it's a few good men among a whole crowd of power hungry bastards want to be king of the mountain.

>>52484654
Do you realize how ironic it is to be asking for media that shows the Empire not as bad guys alongside a picture of Yoko Taro?

>>52484769
Their entire philosophy is one of warmongering and enforcing dominion over others. They're the bad guys.
Fuck your "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil" bullshit.

>>52483693
Weird question, but any reason why? Always wondered why people got commissions of their characters, you found that one particularly fun?

>>52484769
It is. The Dark Side literally injects you with poisoned dickery, and converts you into being a pure asshole. The Dark Side is corruption at its core.

>>52481124

It makes sense that the reactor would need some kind of exhaust port. The issues is linking it directly to the reactor. The reactor could have very easily emptied its waste into an internal processing facility that shunts it to storage containers within the crust, which then expel it. There's no reason for the exhaust port to directly connect to the reactor.

It was my impression that Galen designed the reactor to destroy the station if it was hit, and added the exhaust port to enable this. A system like I described above would easily prevent a torpedo from reaching the reactor.

>>52484769
Light side = good
Dark side = evil
It's not that fucking hard

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>>52483151
I want to fuck that Hux.

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>>52484813
>enforcing dominion over others
This right here. All this Empire dindu nuffin shitposter reminds me of are the occasional idiots on tumblr who decide that Sauron is the real victim in LotR who just wants to bring order and gets beat down by nasty monarchists.

The entire concept behind totalitarian regimes being the go-to source of villainy post-WWII stems from the recognition of what happens when someone or some nation decides to enforce their own particular vision of absolute order through military force. At some point the entire world (or galaxy) becomes a valid target for reordering through violent annihilation.

>>52483151
>Far left girl
That's just Mara Jade cosplaying.

>>52482243

Anakin was extremely emotional, and even as Vader was prone to emotional outbursts. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>52479511
>not Top Drive

Starting to get into X-wing using the Rebels. Got one of each starter kit, an extra X-Wing, Rebel Aces, Heroes of the Resistance, an extra A-wing, a Y-wing, a Z-95, and a HWK-290.

Anything else I should consider?

>>52485545
Not after he put the suit on. Vader was outwardly stoic, force choking whoever he wanted with an apparently collected calm. Only rarely do we see older Vader act emotionally, and that's only at seeing his son tortured by the Emperor.

>GM/Player
GM
>System Preferred
Edge of the Empire, Core book only
>Times Available (with timezone!)
Tuesdays, GMT-4, 1400, 3+ Hours
>Method of Play (Skype, IRC, roll20, etc)
Discord w/ voice
>Contact Info
https://discord.gg/Dw3Kn6G
>Additional Notes
Tentative interest check for the following game:

Edge of the West: You're might not be a good man, but you'll fight for the right of honest men. Out here on the frontier of space beyond the edge of what's been known, colonists are prey to all sorts of evil. They may have left the Empire behind to find a better life but what these people found were restless natives, corrupt businessmen and politicians, and no end to the numberless bandits and pirates. When the gun is the only law and might makes right, will right make might?

>>52485776
K-wing? It comes with some good upgrade cards. E-wing maybe?

At this point it just depends on what you want to fly

>>52485796
Wasn't he in constant pain due to the suit, though? I know that's not canon (along with tiny boots and vitapaste) anymore, but it's at least accepted breathing through it SUCKED.

>>52485776
You're gonna need one or two K-wings and maybe an E-wing to be competitive. A Ghost isn't a bad buy, since it gives you a lot of useful cards.
You've got a great start for more casual play though.
Linking to my youtube channel, since my X-wing videos are currently targeted towards newer players trying to into the competitive scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkv7Cdu4qtI
>inb4 *autistic screeching*

>>52485796
Yeah exactly and that moment is more impactful because it's breaking with how we see him previous to that point.

>>52485776
K-wing if you can find one.

Getting the T-70 individual expansion isn't a bad idea either. Gives you an integrated astro and the last two T-70 pilots.

Also I'd try to find one of the original YT-1300 packs. Some really good cards in there that you're going to want eventually.

But really you've got a good starter set right there and I'd play some games and see what you like and don't like.

>>52485818
Alright, will consider that. So, any Imperial sets I would need to take a look at?

>>52485865
I think Push the Limit only comes in some Imperial sets (It might come with the A-wing, but idk). But that card is crucial for a lot of aces builds.

>>52485865
Not that I can think of offhand. Maybe a Starviper so you can get autothrusters but I don't think that's as big a deal for Rebs as it is for Imperials

>>52485895
I like Autothrusters on some BTL-A4 Y-wings. But that's only in my 4 y-wing list, so it's not something everyone NEEDS.

>>52485865
Probably not, though there is some scum stuff you might want. Most Wanted has the BTL title, Bomb Loadout and Autoblaster Turret for your Y-wing as well as just more Y-wing and Z-95 models and the Jumpmaster comes with two copies of Guidance Chips which you'll need if you ever want to use missiles or torpedos. I guess anything that comes with bombs is probably not a bad purchase either since the bomb tokens are spread all over the place.

>>52485920
You mean Vectored Thrusters, right? Autothrusters are the boost-only one and Y-wings ain't got boosts.

>>52484897
Well I like being able to visualize my characters and also show them off art is the best way to do that. Plus I can't draw for shit.

>>52485938
>You mean Vectored Thrusters, right?
derp. Yes I do
Thrusters are thrusters, amirite?

>>52482812
M9 is an amazing droid on any ship that isn't glued to a particular droid. If you aren't Corran Horn, Poe, or the like- M9-G8 is a serious option. it's even decent against Biggs if you are hanging with Kanan.

>>52485976
Sorry, poor wording. What I meant is, do you do this for all your characters, or is there something special about certain ones that makes you feel they should get commissioned?

>>52484959
If you're braindead maybe.

Some people like to do this thing called "thinking", as in "thinking about the setting".

>>52485438
And you remind me of some guy sitting behind a screen wearing a Guevara t-shirt laughing as he types away on his greasy keyboard, humming the Soviet anthem while thinking he's smashing Fascism by calling people stupid if they like the Empire.

>>52484898

No, it isn't. Try reading a book on the lore, delve into the EU, or the games. The Dark Side is not objectively evil. However, its emphasis on power often attracts evil individuals. The Dark Side itself? Not evil. Just like the Light Side isn't objectively good.

>>52486044
But that's it. That's literally it. There's no nuance to it, it's a space opera setting where in the various first three lines the Empire is called evil by the word of God, and in the OT there is no light side, just the force and the dark side.

>>52486059
>delve into the non-canon lore, EU, or games.
Shit aint first tier canon movies, and aint canon at all anymore.

>>52486044
>wasting that many words on an ad hom

You're the intellectual peak of the alt-shits aren't you anon?

>>52486044
He never once mentioned fascism. Communism and fascism are both political philosophies of the post-war period that enforced absolute order through military force. The Empire is an amalgam of both ideas.

>>52486072
>thinks he knows the setting
>too dumb to pick up a book
My fucking sides

>>52484769
>not objectively
>In a universe that actually has an objective morality

Kreia pls

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>>52486063

>"Stop trying to think deeply and question my setting! It's a low-IQ simple space opera and if you try to say otherwise you're fucking wrong!"

Why are some people so fucking violently opposed to Star Wars being complex, ambiguous, deeper in meaning, or more fleshed out? Why the fuck do they mob and attack people who dare to make the suggestion that maybe Star Wars isn't black and white?

Shit makes me sad to be a Star Wars fan sometimes. I remember in the pre-Prequel days when nerds would gather with other nerds and discuss Star Wars. Talking about all the shit in it and asking questions and posing whatifs and hypotheticals, discussing a series we loved as nerdy kids.

Then some fucking retard comes in, flips the table over and screams about "MUH SPACE OPERA" and inarticulately yells after shitting his pants.

>>52486044
Dog there's thinking about a setting and then there's rewriting it wholesale with your opinions, assumptions and conclusions taken as fact and that's okay because we GM things and can do that but it doesn't make it objective fact for everyone, you dig?

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>>52486119
Sometimes you have to ask if you're are actually adding anything or if it's just wank that misses the point.

>>52486129

No one's even saying it's objective fact except for you and the other people attacking posts like that. "I think the Dark Side isn't evil" isn't objectively saying everyone has to agree. "IT'S A SPACE OPERA AND IT'S EVIL YOU FUCKLORD" is objectively saying that person has to agree with you. Fucking hypocrites.

>>52486119
>Why are some people so fucking violently opposed to Star Wars being complex, ambiguous, deeper in meaning, or more fleshed out?
because it's a space opera. It falls apart when you think about it and people just want a fun fantasy.

>Shit makes me sad to be a Star Wars fan sometimes. I remember in the pre-Prequel days when nerds would gather with other nerds and discuss Star Wars. Talking about all the shit in it and asking questions and posing whatifs and hypotheticals, discussing a series we loved as nerdy kids.
The fans still do this. We're just not autistic about it and know that there are parts of the setting that you can't dig into without ruining it.

>>52486119
>Why are some people so fucking violently opposed to Star Wars being complex, ambiguous, deeper in meaning, or more fleshed out?

Because much as I would love that, it isnt.

Sure, it is once you get into the EU, and with Rogue One we have a bit of grey to the Rebellion.

But in the films, the centre of canon on which all else is built, the Empire is literally and unequivocably evil, and the Rebels are effectivly pure selfless angels and Han Solo.
Until Rogue One where they're shown being dicks for what they believe is the greater good.

>>52486152

In what way, if any, does thinking deeper about the universe and the lore ruin it for you? It sounds like your opinions on it and your enjoyment of it is really, really insecure if someone else seeing things differently "ruins it" for you, man.

>>52486159

From certain perspectives, yeah. From others, no. Again, someone thinking differently and seeing it differently doesn't mean you're wrong either. If someone says a type of food you like is shitty do you fucking violently attack that person for ruining the food for you? If you have some serious problems, maybe. If not, you'd just say "ok" and eat your damn food.

>inb4 food analogies

>>52486089
>too dumb to pick up a non-canon book that has exactly 0 to do with the current setting

>>52486119
I actually do like the idea of morally grey and rebels doing shady shit. However, I'm not going to pretend the universe in canon is anything but what it is.

I wish so much that this general could stay on the topic of the SW tabletop games. Can we save the retarded debating over minutiae of the setting for /co/, /tv/ and /lit/ ?

>>52481658
It happens regardless, I've watched the thread devolve many times into lore arguments with no Star Wars in the OP.

TL;DR
You are wrong, and an idiot.

>>52486318
Sure. Lets talk about our current campaigns.

>>52486189

The problem we end up having in these threads are the people going off the deep end to try and justify the *film* Empire as being the good guys.


Like, the Empire from the EU I could understand - depending on book they go from good people stuck trying to do the right thing, through to saturday morning cartoon villains. And so does the New Republic. Though they have a higher ratio of good people to cartoon villains.
Which is why the EU is great. It added depth and all kinds of cool shit that the films never had.

But i mean when you get down to it, the books arent canon anymore, and even in the old days the only 'true' canon was the films.
Arguing about the Empire and the Rebellion/New Republic in the books is one thing, and that's a discussion I could genuinely be interested in.
But in the films, there really isnt any wiggle room.


THat said, this is an argument that has been rehashed a dozen times, and I expect ill be called a filthy liberal cuck cuckity cuck cuck becuase I think that the Empire arent heroes. But there you go.

>>52486339
Wish I had one. My RPG group is stuck on Pathfinder and Only War

>>52486368
See
>>52485798

>>52486380

>tfw running a game so dont really have time to play one too
>but really fucking want to be a player just for once
Life is suffering

>>52486403
Nigga like playing takes up that much time other than being there.

>>52486448

More that most of my free time in the week is dedicated to working on the game or spent doing normie shit with my girlfriend.

>>52486339
About to play in one once the group reaches the 11ths level of the dungeon crawl I'm running. I'm super excited to play again. I think I'm running a Consular for the FaD campaign.

I've got the character made up if anyone is partially interested in stats and the blatant copy i did for the character drawing

>>52486469
Post em, get this general back on course.

>>52486380
I might just do that, actually.
Just making sure I'm reading it right, but that is 2pm EST, right? If so, that works with my current schedule.

>>52482581
What's fucked up about it?

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>>52486480
Human (2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4); (3 Soak, 12 WT, 13 ST)
+Charm, Ranged (Light)
Consular (p.66)
+Cool, Discipline, Negotiation
Niman Disciple (p.70)
+Discipline, Negotiation
Move (Force Power; p.298)
+Strength

Holdout Blaster (Damage 5, Crit 4, Short, Stun Setting); Heavy Clothing; Holo Messenger, 76cr

Motivation: Galactic peace through negotiation and reasonable compromise.

Morality (50): Love and Fear

Working as middle management for an agricultural company, Garren Graves was a model employee, happily married and with a second child on the way. However, when a Rebel cell conducted a raid to hinder the Empire's military food supply, Garren and his family were caught in the subsequent blast. While Garren was able to save himself with newly manifesting powers, his pregnant wife was not so lucky: dieing just a few steps away from where Garren was able to accidentally stop the debris with his child clutching at his legs. When the Empire arrived at the scene they found Garren and his child amidst the debris but found the scatter pattern odd. Suspecting that something supernatural had occurred, they took away Garren's child as she screamed for her father to save her
They would have nabbed Garren too but he fought back. He unfortunately was unable to reach his child and so instead Garren fled and is now in hiding. Hearing rumors about a force awakening, the Empire's agents now hunt him and test his child, so far to no avail.

>>52486515
Phone post so sorry the image is sideways. Also, i cannot draw faces at all, even when i trace like a bitch so there's no face on that guy. But otherwise that is my entire inventory.

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>>52486545
>>52486515

There you go

>>52486491
EDT, but yeah. Depends on how day light savings time affects you.

Is there a SW Dice roller app for Discord, or a dice bot to use for it?

>>52479511
I need help coming up with an idea for repainting a pair of TIE/SF's. I've been repainting my ships to be mostly red and black (Royal Guard, or Bloodstripes on my TIE's, etc)

What would be some sort of 'elite' paint scheme that TIE/SFs might have? Besides Bloodstripes, those were a pain to do for my TIEs

>>52486589
Thanks man. That is roughly how the faces i draw look.

My intent with the character is to be a sort of negotiation-based businessman who speaks softly and carries a big stick.

I left my force training out of this part of the backstory since the group hasn't decided what benefit we ate going to start with and the gm hadn't given us any info on the campaign. I plan on slotting in that info when i get it.

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>>52486366

But why is that even a problem? I've seen multiple generals have these discussions, the old "Was the Empire good?/Was the Rebellion evil?" question is asked, and usually, it starts with someone calmly stating "well I think (opinion), and people lose their shit.

It most commonly happens with people who support the Empire. People go batshit insane over someone saying they think the Empire is good, even though the people almost never try to objectively say they were good and everyone should agree.

Yet, some angry posters think they were evil and everyone should agree, or else you're retarded.

Who the fuck cares if someone likes the Empire, likes the Rebellion, hates the Empire, hates the Rebellion, likes the Sith, hates the Sith, likes the Jedi, hates the Jedi, hates Jar Jar, loves him, whatever?

Why is someone's personal opinion that they're in no way trying to force on you detrimental to the franchise? Detrimental to the universe and lore?

It isn't. I'm getting some autistic anger going here, I admit, but I'm so fucking sick of these discussions streamlining down into two sides of people getting angry at the other for having different opinions, especially when no one initially is trying to force anyone to agree with them.

Someone believing the Empire is good doesn't hurt your experience or make your thoughts on the lore any less worthwhile, just like someone believing the Rebellion is good doesn't hurt your experience or make your thoughts on the lore any less worthwhile.

We're fuckin' nerds with different fuckin' opinions on a scifi fantasy fiction piece that we fuckin' love.

If you can't handle someone disagreeing with you or having a different opinion on this piece of nerd fiction, then get the hell over it.

>>52486766

With that I'll go to the topic myself.

It's really hard to find good Star Wars gameso n Roll20. Really, absurdly hard.

>>52486766
In all frankness the only thing that ever actually starts a fight is a /pol/fag empirefag showing up and spewing their shit everywhere

>>52486766

Well its more that if someone believes the Empire was 'good' based on the films, then I'm actually genuinely slightly worried about their world view.
When 'murdering billions' is a-okay, then somethings a bit skwiff.

For any thing beyond just the films, Im on fucking board though, and I can get into those discussions all day every day.

But yeah, no point getting into it yet again.


As for finding games on roll20, honestly its hard to find good games of just about anything on roll20. There's so many genuinely awful players and gms there its insane.

>>52486789
see
>>52485798

Heh, I like the April Fools joke on https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/

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>>52486515
>>52486753
My EotE group bailed on me again and the Drawthread is full of degenerates. so here's a 'lil sumthin' sumthin'.

>>52488836
Not that guy, but that's some good shit.

>>52488836
You do commissions or something?

>>52488836
Goddamn, that's good shit anon

>>52488836
Feel like drawing a Trandoshan bounty hunter?

>>52489416
i could be. give us the deets

>>52483818

Seconding this. There is no canon Disney RPG. There is no canon vidya RPG to derive a system from. There is nothing original that looks good or interesting to add to existing weapons that didn't have some incarnation in a previous system.

The only way it even slightly matters is when X-Wing shoehorns in another wave of movie shit nobody cares about instead of giving one of the fighters people actually do want(Jedi Interceptor, Star Wing, ect.) and dying as a product line a bit more each time. Beyond that nobody cares.

On the contrary, Disney needs it's /tg/ material to an INSANE degree. Half the time when Pablo has to justify shit he makes an allusion to /tg/ material. Like how Chirrut somehow isn't force sensitive despite doing impossible shit as "oh he was using force points and then ran out when he died).

>>52484099

I'd say that the battle of the second Ewoks movies is probably Lucas's first attempt to redo something from the OT "right". That movie actually portrays Ewoks using weaponry in a smarter and more dynamic way that's more believable. Later iterations of that battle just said that stuff similar to that was happening offscreen and we didn't see it at the time.

>>52489422
You should join the Edge of the Empire game that's recruiting.

>>52482812
I like M9 on a basic TLT Y wing.
But you need to have one or two other ships who are just as scary or scarier.
The TLT Y locks an ally of your choice turn one, then skirts around the edge of the primary engagement plinking off scraps of the enemy a little at a time. Meanwhile one of your other ships always has that single reroll to use.

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>>52489422
Young adult (15 standard years) Trandoshan from Dosha itself. On his own in a strange galaxy whose culture he isn't used to. Deeply devoted to the Trandoshan religion and Scorekeeper, wears more traditional and primitive clothing/armor, carries a more primitive looking battle-rifle style of blaster (curved wooden stock).
Kindof like pic related, but much younger (smoother skin, juvenile iguanas are a good reference) and more innocent looking.

>>52488836
Thank you! That's pretty close to what I had in mind already.

>>52483782
I have had pretty awesome results with the ARC, I'm not sure why people seem to not be enthused by it.
I placed well in a tournament with a Braylen with R3A2 and Jan Ors in the crew seat.
I've also had some promising stuff with Braylen, R3a2, and Baze Malbus. Just depends on how you sort out your targeting.
Shara Bey w/ weapons engineer is fantastic as a threat multiplier in general and enables some painful alpha strikes if you pair with ally equipped ordinance.
I've also had a Norra w/ super laser (swarm leader) do some nasty shit to opponents.
The ARCs are great if you are running them along side solid teammates and use it's dual fire arcs right.

Hey xwing players, anyone had any good games with A-wings recently?

I'm trying to work out some good builds with pilots other than the green squaddies, but the other pilots are just a touch expensive for what you get out of them...

Lol, I always thought the constant imperialist apologia was a sign of fascist sympathizers in the modern age

Glad to know real life is proving me right

>>52489651
I'm pretty new to flying, just been buying models I like such as the K-wing and ARC. What stuff should I pick up so they're usable?

>>52489739

There's at least one madman out there still running Fat Han and Jake. That said, other than a Refit Prototype as a cheap ass blocker (which might be done better by a Z-95, you can at least pack them with like tracers) mostly what I see are some permutation on the Green Sq generics.

>>52480984

watch Aircrash Investigations. When you're dealing with huge complicated machines, there's so many things that can go wrong. Modern Aircraft are amazing designs in that they've learned from hundreds of previous accidents. Same goes for bridges and all other big engineering projects. Hell, look at Oroville Dam - that failed while operating exactly as it was supposed to.

It was their first Death Star, it's totally reasonable there were flaws in it that they didn't foresee.

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>>52483756


Not the guy, but I recognize the artist. He's done some work for me too. Something that size and no background is about $40-50.

Image isn't one of mine, but comes with the guy's link.

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>>52489823

>>52490271
What's the artist?

>>52490307
the picture even says it, despite him being mentioned at least twice before in this thread...

>>52490307
>Anon has failed a spot check.

>>52490330
>>52490333
I sure fucking have

hey /swg/, do you prefer it when only certain people can use the force like those who have force sensitivity, or that anyone can learn the ways of the force like it's Buddhism?

>>52490749
Buddhism for sure.

>>52483693
>>52483813
I fuckin' love this artist. I commissioned some from him, too.

So I'm getting into FFG's X-Wing and need some recommendations. I chose Imperials since my friends chose Rebels and the Mercs/Other guys.

So far I have:

Both Starter Sets
Imperial Aces
1 TIE Defender
1 TIE Phantom

What else should I get?

>>52491372
Imperial Veterans is top shit.
It makes your defenders great, and gives you Ryad, Tomax, and Deathfire.

>>52491372
The Striker is pretty cool and I would say an extra each of the basic fighter and the /fo to get the extra pilots and to be able to fly three of them together. the Inquisitors TIE is pretty neat too.

How to joust?

>>52490749
Canon way Buddhism way is retarded since there are so few force sensatives in the galaxy

>>52491569
You need to get better or more numbers, and roll more or better dice.

Which faction do you plan to play as?

>>52491569
Jockey for distance so you can get a shot at a range where you'll be safe to K-turn after, then just kinda keep doing it until you or they are dead. If you've got better K-turns and straights then they'll probably be forced to try and turn out at which point you'll probably get free butt shots on them for one or two turns which will most likely win you the game then and there.

>>52491590
Rebels

>>52491569
Run a TIE/d

>>52491372

Like the others said, Vets to maximize your defenders and get gud bombers, Striker because those guys are amazing and pocket aces. I'd also recommend the TIE/SF if you get the striker, they're incredibly versatile with Lightweight Frame. If you want to run support with those ships, Upsilon is great if you're willing to drop more cash - it's a good large frame and has good upgrades in the pack. Coordinate is great also.

You also couldn't go wrong with Omega Leader from the TIE/fo blister or the Inquisitor.

>>52491670
Your best bet is probably Corran Horn in the E-wing or some kind of Ghost build, you can get an absurd number of dice coming out of the Ghost modded to hell and back and be able to vaporize pretty much any small ship in the game in a single volley. Corran also dishes out a lot of pain while being able to avoid some of what comes back at him and with R2-D2 or R5-P9 you can regenerate what does get through as you fly off to circle around for another pass.

Theoretically B-wings should also be okay at jousting since they'll can trade alright in a head-on collision with all those shields and potentially a Heavy Laser Cannon but they don't really put out quite enough hurt to beat the kinds of things that will take that head-on engagement and they're total dogshit at turning so anything that doesn't want to fight you head on will just fly circles around you and shoot you to pieces from the sides and rear.

>>52491919

I mean, 3 ATK with FCS is still usually pretty sufficient, and maybe you throw manglers in there or something.

The issue is that Bs are 1 AGI protecting 8 health, 5 of which is shields (I/E, Plasma torps make them go "pop") and as you say, don't have the maneuverability to get back on target or get the fuck out of the way compared to more flexible, high AGI ships.

>>52491976
The issue with the FCS is it's only giving you benefit the turns after the initial engagement. The first pass you're going in with just your primer target lock whereas the things you're normally going to be jousting against are going to likely have some way to get double mods like x7 Defenders or anything with PTL or some other kind of immediate action economy bonus. You're going into the first pass at a disadvantage in modifiers and likely trading poorly, then you're probably spending a turn or two without shots on shit so having that free TL then isn't really a game changer, and by the time you're back on target and you have your free TL and can take a focus your opponent has almost certainly shed any stress he incurred from PTL or whatever and is coming back at you with equal modifiers again but probably a health advantage.

Of course this really all just applies to generic B-wings, the uniques almost all have good ways to even out the actions for the first pass even if it's just doing their own PTLs but then you've got even bigger egg baskets that get torped all the same.

>>52491919
Corran horn is a great jouster (and the best pilot in the game). But he takes both raw skill and balls of steel to fly well.
My main competitive list includes Corran, and I literally have to practice flying him in TTS every fucking day for me to feel really comfortable with him. I love him, but I practice my ass off with him.
TL;DR, git gud

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>>52489739
Jake with VI, PtL, Autothrusters, and the fix cards. One of the best pocket aces in the game, and for a Rebel PS9 he's pretty cheap. If you have the points taking Prockets is worth it, but the 5 points are probably better spent elsewhere in your list.

I have won god knows how many games with him in my career. Taken him to multiple tournaments and done well. He's not easy to fly, but once you get the hang of it there's almost nowhere you can't put him.

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So I feel like starting an AOR Imperial campaign with the players being members of the Imperial Hammers. However, as with a lot of Imperial campaign ideas, I'm trying to think of ways to not make the players overpowered or have too easy of a time, and it seems even more difficult with the Hammers.

For reference, a single regiment of the Hammers were deployed against multiple battalions of Rebel forces during a planetary battle. They were outnumbered 5 - 1 as they sieged a Rebel fortress. By the end of the battle they had reduced the numerical disparity from 5:1 to 1:1. Over a decade later the New Republic still had an intelligence subdivision dedicated to tracking them, because they viewed them as a threat to the NR's forces comparable to Thrawn. Basically, do not fuck with Hell's Hammers.

I love the Hammers and I love their backstory, but I don't know how well it'd translate to an RPG, or how to make interesting missions and keep the players engaged without making them feel overpowered, simultaneously not diminishing the legitimate badassery of the Hammers.

Advice?

>>52492425
Honestly I get that they're a cool unit, but given that they're practically a force of nature maybe it would be more appropriate to have the PCs be Imperial agents attached to the unit? As intelligence or specialists or whatever. Then you can have cool scenes with the Hammers raping face and justify having the PCs be off on their own sometimes.

>>52492425
The best way to approach it, based on my readings, would be to base the group in the post endor fracturing. Have them be a squad sent out and given nearly impossible tasks based on their reputation, such as to use a single squad to defend 3 major ground convoys from rebel attacks on a planet. Forces your players to start thinking.

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>>52491372
You should pay attention to what other people have said, but if you can find one a Firespray will actually do you a lot of good. The ship itself is passably good, though the named pilots are somewhat lacking.

It gives you both gunner and veteran instincts though, which are absolutely essential to running your TIE Phantom well. And a lot of other Imperial ships also.

Otherwise you really can't go wrong with any of the large ships. Get a regular Interceptor expansion if you want Soontir Fel. Special Forces TIEs have also been on people's radar more lately, and I've used them to good affect.

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>>52492425
>I'm trying to think of ways to not make the players overpowered or have too easy of a time
Have the Hammers encounter situations where their tanks can't solve everything. CAS, minefields, ATGMs, and arty can all severely fuck up a tank. Or have them get assigned to a world with wonky gravity and atmospherics that fuck with repulsors, forcing extremely careful movement or a switch to regular tread-equipped tanks.

Has anyone tried the runequest 6 star wars module? I really liked the system for a fantasy game I ran recently and was wondering if anyone had feedback.

>>52486119
I am opposed to the idea of Star Wars being a complex, nuanced story with many interleaved ambiguous meanings because Star Wars is the story of a simple farm boy who becomes a hero and defeats evil. Like you said, it is a simple space opera story. Once you inject reality to it, you open some pretty enormous cans of worms.

For example: what do the Rebels do with all the prisoners they take? You never see them again once they are taken. Are they taken to some camp somewhere? That doesn't seem likely, since the Rebels don't seem like they have the infrastructure necessary to take care of so many prisoners. Are they shot? That doesn't fit with them being good. So the question is never addressed, which is a good thing, since it would only get in the way.

Another reason for my opposition to a "more nuanced" Empire, is that people who suggest such things usually lack the perspective necessary to understand such a totalitarian institution. They see something cruel and wasteful, and refuse to believe a rational organization would do such a thing. The crux of the issue being, that the Empire is not a rational organization.

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>>52493845

>Trying to starting the arguing again

>>52494006
Just let it go.

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Got to shoot some blasters today, couple of us never shot guns rpg, x-wing fags and a couple of 501st guys we know down on the range. Redback dragged out some mad shit from his hillbilly back shed for us to learn how to use.

>>52494087

I thought the DC-15 was that honking big CW era blaster rifle, not a little E-11 looking thing like that.

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>>52494217
There's a few with the DC15, think the DC15s is the pistol and the (a) is the rifle

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>>52493845

I signed up to my first X Wing tournament yesterday /swg/. I'm going to be lucky if I manage to get last place, honestly. This is the list I'm planning on running for it. Its the list I have the most practice with and also the one I've enjoyed the most.

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v4!s!204:18,-1,184,3:41:-1:;0:18,-1,2:-1:20:;4:-1,77:-1:20:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

Anyone got any recommended tweaks to it? I have my heart set on running Biggs/Norra/Wedge, but any EPT/droid/crew tweaks are fair game

How badly is it going to get stomped by literally any meta list?

>>52493845
The rebel alliance actually has black sites for that.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sunspot_Prison

Next challenge: Stat me the best BRAWL exclusive fighter using any means.

Martial Artist and Doctor seems like a good combo. Plus getting Enhance for Brawl to go full Iron Fist?

The Coruscant Invitational is coming up. Got any ideas for 77 point lists?

My buddy ran my copy of the AoR beginner game for my friends and I today.
>Supposed to take over Whisper Base
>Steal shuttle, loaded with Imperial supplies, destroy Whisper Base
Looking back we did so much wrong, but it felt so right. We're playing again next week, this time it'll be coherent.

>>52495510
Which faction?

For all of them, jousting effectiveness is important, as you will be plugging in a random ship to each.

At 77, you can afford 2 TLT scum Y's with choice of droid and N'dru with a missile.

Are you chumbalaya, or just someone interested in the invitational?

What do you guys want out of TLJ? I'm hoping we get to see more starfighters. Wishing for E-wings and K-wings, but I'm not counting on it. We'll probably get either A wings or B wings though, so that's cool.

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>>52496147
New TIEs new walkers some Rey explanations, badass Luke Skywalker scene and most of all no Poe Finn romance nonsense.

>>52496147
Five T-65s (Or StealthXs with the classic T-65 s-foil design) in Red/Rogue Squadron colors, parked next to a HWK-290 in the hangar bay of a red ISD-II.

>>52496179
>Rey explanations
I'm not holding my breath on this one. I would not be surprised if Rey's origins are just a great mystery like Anakin's conception.

>>52496211
what?

>>52496111
All of them, and it is indeed your boy. I've got ideas of my own, but crowdsourcing is fun and I need stuff to test against.

>>52496147
Hopes: A-Wings (at least 1 confirmed) doing cool shit, new planets, at least some returning aliens (aside from 1 sullustan and 1 mon cal TFA was very lacking there), improved/more creative spacheship designs, genuine character growth for Rey, Luke actually having something worthwhile to do, the New Republic actually doing anything besides take it up the ass.

Fears: ESB 2: First Order Boogaloo. Luke dies in an emotionally flat scene because Obi-Wan pottery, Hope You Like Desert Planets, Rey becomes the Roman Reigns of Star Wars, Finn & Poe get shoved to the side. "Buy our Phasma Action Figures or else you're sexist!"marketing strategy.

JJ's not directing, so I'm hopeful, but...

>>52496222
Did you not play Dark Forces or read the X-wing novels?

>>52496250
I'm a Blackfleet Crisis and Shadows of the Empire guy.

>>52495022
Take vector thrusters on nora to make use of ptl and that leaves 4pts to put in wedge's ept slot. Predator would be much better on him imo since you are rerolling at least one dice and they are rolling 1 less

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>>52496271
>Five T-65s or StealthXs
One for each of the top X-wing jockeys in Legends: Wedge Antilles, Wes Janson, Hobbie Klivian, Tycho Celchu, and our boy Luke himself.

>HWK-290
The Moldy Crow, the first ship used by Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors. Because fuck yeah, Jedi Doomguy.

>Red ISD-II
Errant Venture, a mostly demilitarized ISD-II that was sold to smuggler Booster Terrik following the Battle of Thyferra after Booster helped save Rogue Squadron and the Legends New Republic's bacta supply.

>>52492358
Sounds good! I'll have to give him a try. cheers mate.

>>52490232
Yeah, I've been thinking along similar lines for them. The greens are quite nice for what they are though.

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>>52481658
Yeah, shame that. We turn into /tv/ if we put starwars in the title, but without it we tend to become /sci/ with regards to the latest xwing crunch about whats statistically better than what.

At least we can pray for setting or game building questions. Some of the best content can spawn from a first time eote/aor gms trying to stay afloat or storyboard their plot lines.

Hell even the armada anons arent that bad, but they tend to be quiet.

>>52496507
>but without it we tend to become /sci/ with regards to the latest xwing crunch about whats statistically better than what.
there is literally nothing wrong with this. X-wing is fucking great and should be talked about more.

>>52481749
ACTUALLY what if there are batteries as some form of ups/equiv to prevent immediate power overload or unintentional discharge.

The firing mechanism would act as a large temporary battery to store and stabilize the energy to not stress firing device or focusing system.

Nothing long term, but immediate storage capability.

>>52490209
Both of those ships are really flexible in terms of upgrades in my experience. You can kinda season to taste with them but it also really depends how you want to roll them.
I like trying to gain the upper hand in movement so personally use a lot of stress causing stuff.
More generally, Rebel Aces and the YT-2400 have some pretty nice stuff for use by the K or ARC.
If you've got a good sized scene to make use of it, the rebel transport epic ship comes with an X and some nifty pilots + some really good astromechs, but I personally would by that whole ship just for cards.
Can't really think of other stuff off of the top of my head. Just think if you want to go for ordinance or for endurance or making ships that a pain in the ass through debuffing etc.