Warmachine/Hordes General

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I can play this game only once a week and I have nothing to do for the other 6 days.

Fuck two-player games. And fuck my dog, because he isn't smart enough to play games with me.

>>52467585
Man I miss playing once a week. Stupid adulthood.

I wish we had a decent LGS in my area.
NYC doesn't have shit.
in b4 compleat strategist
that place is shit for WMH

Does anybody play the NQ games like Grind or the new Colossal something?

They seem like... I don't know... meh?

Any thoughts on Caine3? Our players seem to agree that he is better in Cygnar than Mercs.

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>>52467724
>collected armies for three different games in 2016
>played about a dozen matches total
Living in the middle of nowhere doesn't help, but still

Any thoughts on that gator list where they get 8 hit boxes and snacking? Dose it make them playable in current meta?

>>52468747

seems pretty obvious. way better jack selection and he can still hire most of the models in mercs anyway

>>52468353
Out of my entire lgs of like, 15+ people, 1 old guy tried grind once when we were drinking heavily and we actively think extreme colossal wrestling is fucking stupid.

>>52468747
Hopefully when the Llael jack comes out it will be d3 shots or some shit.
The only thing Mercs Caine has going for it is A+H and the Galleon which is kinda meh compared to Hunters and Hurricanes.

>>52468353
I like the idea of ECW, though I don't think the models really support the idea, sadly. You'd have to do some serious conversion to make models that actually fit the idea the game tries to sell. Not sure if said game is actually good though.

>>52468946
Yes, but it's only because PP intentionally nerfed gators to be trash outside of their theme. This pushing theme above a properly-designed game shit is getting tiresome already and we haven't even seen what comes of the trencher book.

>>52468747
He is better in Cygnar, but he is cooler in Mercs. Not that any one gives a shit about how cool shit is in Warmachine. I hope mercs get some Llaelese shooty jacks, and then Caine can use those.

>>52470693
Hey, I'm an Old Witch main and soon I will force myself to play Assault Kommandos...

>>52471373
Assault Kommandos aren't completely terrible with Strakhov1, and Last Stand on Strakhov2 makes anything that can get it good.

>>52471574
That terrible jaw of the wolf actually might be good under strakhov 2. Kossites are cheap enough that I don't mind last standing and tossing them away.

>>52471574
Last Stand + Alexia + Valachev = Pretty fucking dumb

>>52471800
Unfortunately it takes roughly three turns to set up. It had better be dumb.

>>52471778
As a Legion player, Jaws of the Wolf doesn't look bad at all. Y'all get Behemoth in your jack theme and the same benefit we get for only having flying beasts and light infantry available. Karchev doesn't seem like he'd turn his nose up at two free Forgeseers and Widowmakers to proc Road to War either.

>>52471778
Jaw of the Wolf is broken beyond hell, fuck off. Trading Orin Midwinter for an eight jack and two free Forge Seers is nuts.

>>52471778
Yeah. I gotta go ahead a disagree with you here. Jaws of the Wolf is amazing.

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What a terrible theme

lmao

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>>52472393
Anyone else have some memes?

>>52470585
So, play gators how we say play them or don't play gators? seems fair / fun.

>>52470585
>This pushing theme above a properly-designed game shit is getting tiresome

Well, theme forces are the way the game is meant to be played most of the time.

So... Deal with it?

>>52472486

No it's not, you dipshit.

>>52472703
Um, it is? They've litterally stated multiple times that they expect people to play in theme most of the time. That's pretty clear if you look at how their developing the game

>>52472776
This is true. It doesn't make it less of a poor decision by PP.

Do spray attacks need LOS to a target?

>>52473368
Yes.

>>52473368
you can only target models in your LOS.

This is funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEcKBrNJNxY

>>52471800

Why though?

>>52471800
Alexia has spell ward though

>>52474896

I'm guessing you run her out of formation to collect corpse tokens.

Next turn you cast it on valachev who is leading the unit who will run forward making alexia in formation.

Then alexia can dump 21, essentially weapon master, attacks into something.

Not a good play.

Then

>>52467308
Sooooo...... what happened to ol' black 13th?

>>52474989
Lynch died, Watts and Ryan are buddying it up with Caine now because Scout General Ribald is an asshole and doesn't know when to stop poking the metaphorical bear with a stick.

>>52474859
>>52474896
This is why I said above that it's a three turn plan, so it had better be awesome at the end. Personally I'm not a fan. Last Stand makes everything that can have it great (I'm glad Doom Reavers have Spell Ward) and there are much more points- and time-efficient ways to get work out of it.

Does the Cygnar book come with a Madigan's Malcontents themed force?

>>52475076

Throwing it on press gangers backed by hawk seems pretty good.

>>52475332
Hell, throwing it on a free Manhunter seems fine, if you do JotD theme. Iron Fangs with CMA, warjacks if needed, etc. Last Stand is a great spell.

>>52475305
No.

>>52475305
Not unless you count Storm Division, which doesn't even make Acosta a friendly faction model, then no. The Malcontents are more or less just a unit of Stormblades+ one Stormgunner anyway, so you could fluff it as them.

>>52468344
honestly this, you'd think such a large city would have more options. Have you tried the brooklyn strategist anon ? Looking for somewhere to go

>>52473298
Can I get a link to that? I'm also not a big fan of theme forces and thought the Gator thing is major bogus

>>52477480
Most of their statements about not seeing the balance points of models until themes came out are now lost to the forum culling, as they were mostly comments in the threads relating to Mk3's launch.

>>52477480
>I'm also not a big fan of theme forces
Leave now then, while you still can. We've seen the future, and the future is theme forces

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Hope my mail arrives today. I need something to paint or else I'm going fucking cray-cray over here.

>>52479131
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so what do you guys think of the hammerstrike theme force for the dwarves? Would you take 3 units of forgeguard for the 2 free units of artillery or would you take more gunbunnies?

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n_n

cain 3 power level - GO !

>>52479629
Average desu senpai.

>>52479650
so what is the Cygnar best 2 casters for tournaments ? Healy 2 and ?

>>52479816
Haley 2 and Haley 3

People replace a Haley with Nemo3 or Sloan.

>>52468927
I know that feel. It doesn't help I have faction ADD.

I managed to stop buying Infinity and Warmahordes but I'm still buying loads of Malifaux, despite the fact that when I do play its usually Warmahordes.

Sheesh, 25 euros for one Forge Seer?

That's pretty ridiculous.

>>52475305
they should be like a character unit or something.

>>52479131
>_

Why is she holding a giant green dildo with that menacing look... spooky

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Finally! Two paint jobs away from playing Khador like it's a different faction.

>>52481081
The channel dildo. She shoves it up your butt and you turn into an arc node.

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>>52481081
the art of intimidation

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Not sure I like the new CID, I think this was a poor move for PP. It's no fun buying models not knowing what their real rules are going to be like in 6 months.

>>52481581
Is that man or woman?
>inb4: yes
>inb4 : no

>>52481606

It cracked me up when I saw it. It's like /pol and /tg combined to make the perfect image from Sweden.

>>52481606

>Maybe

>>52481606
Name is not helping kek

>>52481581
Would you rather have public beta testing that you can participate in or would you rather have more Una2?

>>52481581
I mean, the models get CID'd before they get released is the plan. So don't preorder things, because that's fucking stupid anyways?

>>52481809
>that you can participate in

Except when they reject your application and tell you to fuck off.

>>52481882
They didn't reject any applications. The only way you couldn't participate is if you got banned for being an idiot.

>>52481581
A hole's a hole; any port in a storm

Okay, that was pretty neat:
http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/insider-3-31-2017

>>52482450
On second thought, and I didn't think I'd ever say this, I probably prefer GWs approach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ9w9J7gfJI

>>52481606
I don't know what the fuck it is, but it's place is in an oven.

Guys I went to Element Games a couple of hours ago and got a unit of Ferox and the Tiberion upgrade kit

>>52482977
Some good choices. Currentyl painting my Ferox and I can't wait to put them on the table.

>>52483064
Ferox are weird though. To look at their card, they seem like an absolutely garbage unit. Low MAT, low volume of attacks, no ranged attacks. It's only when you know the faction that you realise that oh, they can jump behind something for +2MAT, and oh you can use them with Xerxis1 for +2DEF/ARM and +2 damage on their first attack and an extra dice on melee attacks. Their damage can be brutal as fuck and it's non-linear.

>>52483108
Plus they have that solo to give them veteran leader and to put stormrager onto to make him a goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus

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>>52482935
>>52482261
>>52481650
>>52481615
>>52481606
>>52481581
And this is why Warmahordes has the worst community.

>>52483663
Death to old 4chan, long live the new flesh

I got to say I am looking forward to the new Retribution stuff, I have wanted to get into the faction for awhile, and may jump in in june with the Nyss stuff.

Although I do need to buy a lot of protectorate stuff still.

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My Colbie turned out really well, I just wish she did something that half a dozen other merc solos didn't already do.

>>52483763
I've only had a passing interest in Ret, but the Nyss stuff has me tempted too. I guess them being Partisans is too much to ask?

>>52484599
Seems like they're solidly Ret.

>>52484599
I kind of hope that they do a Nyss theme as well with it, I would like to see some raptors and maybe a sorcerer unit from them, as well as a warcaster.

Overall, the Nyss are going to be an extremely good addition to the faction, and will be even better if you could viably run them alone.

>>52483376
So I've built the cats, put them on the bases, then put the riders on them.

Now I've just realised I have nowhere to store them :-DDDD

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>>52484710
A Nyss caster would be great, if nothing else though Goreshade4 will run them well I'm sure

>>52485113
speaking of him, when does the rules release for the new ret units?

>>52485200
I think the models are released 3 months after the teasers (or is it after the official pictures), so about then unless the book comes out first

Question, can caine3 use ace in a merc army?

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I've recently been introduced into this setting by a GM who wants to run some Iron Kingdoms RPG. I've gotten a fairly broad overview of the world, but I have some specific questions and I'm wondering if you guys could help me out.

I'm planning on building a Cygnaran mounted def-focused aristocratic knight, and I'm wondering how prevalent women are amungst the ranks of Cygnaran knighthood. I understand that the Cygnaran military doesn't especially care about gender, but I figure knightly orders might be a little more old fashioned. By that same vein, how well respected are Cyngaran noble ladies? Are they looked at as just investments in need of a good marriage, or do they have the freedom to actually go about and live their own lives without being thought of as scandalous?

I'm also wondering if there's lore precedent for Sword Knight Cavalry, or if they operate exclusively as ground-pounders.

Thanks.

>>52485374
Depends on which knighthood order I suppose, I think Swordknights are basically all men while stormknights are amix.

>>52485374
As for the sword knight Cav, I am honestly not sure, but I believe they can be mounted, just the unit is represented as groundpounders is all.

>>52484599

>I guess them being Partisans is too much to ask?

It's not entirely impossible. The Legion command book isn't missing any models unlike the other factions, and having the models be Partisans for Legion or the including a theme that allows Legion to take some of the uncorrupted Nyss would also potentially work.

Then again with that rumor that Legion won't get new shit for potentially 4 years I'm grasping those straws like a motherfucker.

>>52485353
Not until Caine3 is eligible for a theme force, as Ace isn't a Merc Jack. Which is a bummer, since Caine3 in Mercs probably gets the most mileage out of Ace.

>>52485541
I'd meant mercs with Partisan like the Cylena and them, but a Legion theme that lets you use them would be great. Anything that lets models faction jump is fun

> that rumor that Legion won't get new shit for potentially 4 years
That...seems unlikely...

>>52485541
I'm still not convinced that they'd be run in Legion as is anyway without the Nyss support solos, and there's no way the Priest of Nyssor will be allowed. They're stats aren't bad but Swordsmen are still faster and hit harder, and as a base unit are cheaper.

>>52485541
I do not think they wont get stuff for four years. What I think is going to happen is there theme book will be for the Ogrun, which does not have too much stuff just for them.

>>52485684
It comes from a reliable source that gave correct info on theme forces and Grymkin models months before they became generally available. The lack of omitted models in the command book which means not other planned theme books for Legion is a supporting sign. It's unfortunately probably more likely than not.

Grymkin CID cards as they currently stand for playtesting.

http://crippledsystem.com/CID/

We need House Issyen light cav for Ret, they are the only major military house that has nothing so far I believe.

>>52485200
Probably with the Ret command book, which is... two months away, I think?

>>52485374
>I understand that the Cygnaran military doesn't especially care about gender, but I figure knightly orders might be a little more old fashioned.

I know the Morrowan knight orders are pretty flexible when it comes to that thing. Dunno about Sword Knights.

>>52485905
Silowyur and Rhyslyrr also aren't represented yet.

>>52485374
I know that Laddermore is a well respected noblewoman, but she joined the Storm Division instead of sword knights. Storm Division knights aren't hereditary nobles, they are granted knighthood upon joining the order, whereas Sword Knights are actually the landed elites. Kind of ironic how they wound up being bulk tarpit cheapo units.

Steamroller tomorrow. In just over 11 hours to be precise. I'm so excited guys! :3c

>>52486525
Good luck anon!

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>>52485113
>"I declare that I am the most weeaboo!"
>"Not so, Skorne, it is I that is most preoccupied with Japanese culture."
>"I disagree, weakling elf, I have seen every episode of Naruto sixteen times, and every night I snuggle with my spiked Hinata-chan dakimura!"
>"How plebeian. Watching the anime was unnecessary for me, as I read the manga. As for dakimura, such ostentations are below me, as I have manifested my waifu Chidori-chan as a tulpa. Are you even Nipponese, bryuh?"
>"I am Nipponese! I am Nipponji! I am double the Nipponj... wait, wait, do you hear something? Sounds sort of like someone casting Storm Rager nearb" -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUhVCoTsBaM
>"BEHOLD! IT IS I, SWOLE ELF, THE GREATEST WEEABOO OF THEM ALL. I AM SO SAMURAI I MARRIED MY FUCKING SWORD. GENUFLECT, WEAKLINGS."

>>52486652
Amazing.

>>52485755
I feel like all their warlocks are in a good place save the Child. That one still needs some oomf.

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>>52481562
Not bad, if I may say so myself.

Would now be a good time to get into the game? I can't play 40k anymore and this has always been a close second that I've wanted to try so I figured I would now.

>>52488231
Yes. Aside from a few terrible choices per faction the game is the most balanced it ever was and it's steadily improving.

>>52485654
He will probably be included in the Llaelese Theme Force, which will most likely be shit because I'm having my doubts that they give us more than 2 good theme forces. But I hope I'm wrong because I really want to play cain3

>>52481882
Oh hey we found that worthless piece of forum trash:
(Check one)
[ ] Kriegspiele
[ ] Grey_Templar
[ ] Lanz
[ ] Jabberwokk
[ ] Other forum faggot

>>52488576
[X] Other

>>52485755
Thanks anon.

I must admit, I actually like Old Witch 2/3 now. I still would love it, if they gave her the other two abilities but I wouldn't cry if this was the final version of her.

New player here, are Berserkers any good, and are there any specifc casters who work well with them? I just really like the the idea of violently aggressive jack that explodes if you push it too far.

>>52489653
They are hot trash. Having them explode is the best they can do, since their weapons are awful and they can't hit anything thanks to low MAT.

If your friends have a lot of DEF 10> infantry, the Berserker might kill two or three dudes before blowing up. Same goes for the Mad Dog.

The only playable Berserkers at the moment are 1. the Rager (because it doesn't actually fight) and 2. Drago, but only with Vlad.

Fortunately for you, Vladimir is an excellent caster for new players.

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>>52489653
However, if you REALLY want to use Berserkers, check out the upcoming new caster; Strakhov2.

Strakhov2 has a spell called "Last Stand", which boosts all your attack and damage rolls (meaning it can actually hit and kill something), but you get destroyed at the end of turn.

Which is perfectly acceptable if your plan is to blow yourself up anyway.

>>52489724
>>52489760

That's a little disappointing, but good to know.
What do you mean about the Rager not actually fighting, do you just take it for the shield guard ability?

>>52489893
Yes, the Rager is just a shield guard. It usually just stands next to important things, soaks damage and late game, it either runs into zones to prevent the opponent from scoring or you load it up hoping for it to explode.

I heard that one player once shot the Rager's gun and almost hit something.

>>52489893
An Ogryn Bokur is a more efficient use of Shield Guard points, if not as survivable.

>>52489978
A Bokur can be easily shot off the table. A heavy cannot.

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I've only had Cygnar for about 7 months now but here is a Heavy Metal I like to play with just about every heavy I have heh...

Jakes is bretty fun with this theme...

>>52490235
That looks pretty good. She's good with Sword Knights in theme too, but then she'll want at least one lancer to arc Positive Charge around.

>>52490306

I tried her with that theme too and proxied blades but as expected the horses just do better so no really gonna rush to buy blades anytime soon still.

>>52490377
nono, sword knights. in Heavy Metal. not Stormblades in SD.

Sword Knights have flank[friendly warjack] and defensive line. they can get combined melee from their command attachment and enjoy being buffed by positive charge.

>>52491104

oh my mistake i did misread i thought you were talking about storm division

>>52491104
They also enjoy Reach and E-Leap on the Feat Turn. Jakes and Maddox are probably some of the most useful casters for them.

>>52479131
I didn't know Kouta Hirano did guest art for PP.

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>>52492930

>>52489724

Not true

>>52493358

How so?

>People who think that a model's only purpose in life is to kill enemy models personally

>>52493853
>people who make pointless greentext instead of formulating a real post that could actually lead to discussion

>>52493990
>Its MAT is too low!
>It doesn't have weaponmaster!
>It's too slow!

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>>52493358
>>52494004

Berserker:
>9 Points
>shitty POW
>shitty MAT
>worse ARM
>less boxes
>blows up if you use it

Marauder
>10 points
>POW 17x2
>Focus efficient
>MAT 7
>ARM 20
>glorious 34 boxes
>doesn't blow up
>attack Roll fixer for the rest of your army
>Colossal/Gargantuan/Engine slayer

Berserkers are crap. They are intended to mow down an entire squad of infantry by buying attacks, getting berserk attacks for each kill and then blow up to finish the rest. Why this doesn't work:
>no sidestep or overtake to actually get all these attacks off before running out of targets
>MAT 5 doesn't hit the average DEF 13
>Even buffed, SPD 4 is not enough to get the alpha on a "2 melee unit
>even if you WANT to blow up, it only works 50% of the time.

>>52494218
POW 16x2 for both, dumbass.

But the Marauder can turn that into one POW 20 hit that knocks down.

>>52493780
>>52494218

Literally any spell which can increase their odds of hitting make them playable. I actually prefer them more now than ever, the loss of a chain attack and free chsrges sucks, but berserk is cool.

>>52494218

Also I can tell you probably started playing summer 2016, probably got a box deal and now think you know everything.

>>52494565
Or you play a Marauder instead and actually impact the battle field.

>>52494637
The fact that a Marauder is only one point more expensive is pretty damning for the Berserker. They need to be at least a point or two cheaper to be compelling in my opinion. Juggernauts and Marauders are just too points-efficient in arguably the same bracket when compared with Berserkers.

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A little over a day for both. Not bad.

>>52495837
why does everyone use that scratchy-ass sand-on-a-plank table?

like seriously, you can get a mat that won't feel like you're trying to sand your minis to put on top of the plank for $45.

>>52495854
Because I can masturbate to feeling the texture underneath my fingertips.

Maps and 2D terrain are for lazy fagits. Appreciate the art and work it takes to make a table and terrain all by yourself.

>>52495943
>fagits

>>52495943
There's absolutely no problem with the texture table, quit shilling for phatmats

>>52485755
IIRC Rhyslyrr are the cavalry boys.

Issyen are known for their archers.

Just got back from my Steamroller, it was fun but I lost to too many dumb mistakes. 3 rounds, went 1-2 and came 6/8.

>Round 1
Rasheth v Grissel2. He handed me his Mountain King for free, but I didn't know that you got arcing fire when stood on a hill so got assassinated for no reason. I could've easily blocked LOS if I'd known that rule existed. Without the assassination there was no hope for him.

>Round 2
Makeda1 v Magnus2. I THINK the game was in my favour, but Karn was stuck behind infantry all game and did nothing, then he got a jack onto Makeda after knocking her down with a shot.

>Round 3
Rasheth v Rask. We weren't really taking it seriously. The Mammoth failed to kill Snapjaw in melee because that shit just happens, he went in for the kill with his bright orange skinned, blonde haired Brine which has earned the name Donald Rump, but he had -4STR and I had 5 transfers. The Mammoth just mopped up and that was that.

>>52486343
I always thought that the Rhyslyrr where basically just going with the stormfall and rifles for homeguard since they are the best at it. Maybe an archer/rifleman caster would be good then to represent them

>>52498963
Care to post your lists?

>>52500847
(Rasheth 1) Dominar Rasheth [+28]
- Agonizer [6]
- Mammoth [38]
- Titan Gladiator [15]
- Titan Sentry [15]
Extoller Soulward [3]
Mortitheurge Willbreaker [4]
Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor [4]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (max) [7]
Praetorian Karax (max) [11]

(Makeda 1) Archdomina Makeda [+29]
- Basilisk Krea [7]
- Molik Karn [19]
- Titan Gladiator [15]
Feralgeist [2]
Mortitheurge Willbreaker [4]
Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor [5]
Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor [4]
Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor [4]
Saxon Orrik [4]
Swamp Gobber Chef [1]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (max) [7]
Praetorian Swordsmen (max) [13]
- Praetorian Swordsman Officer & Standard [4]
Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2]
Venator Slingers (max) [13]

Note that each list has a small system skew. It decided my list choice in round 2 because both lists seemed fine so may as well have POW10+3d6 damage against his warjacks. Turn 1 the Slingers almost blew a Nomad off the table.

I am wondering if Jakes is going to get her charger as a character jack. Would be interesting to see it at least.

Is there any way to make precursor knights work? I got the entire tier 4 theme list in mark 2 to paint with my gf since Constance and the morrowans are her favorite aesthetic. But I never can make them work, how fucked am I?

>>52501412
I am still disappointed that they took off heal on them.

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>>52501394
What all could he do in the game? Was it just Swift Hunter?

>>52501412
No way I know of, running them to enable the rest of the Morrowan stuff is obviously the closest thing to a strategy they have best I can tell. If nothing else they seem to be a prime candidate for a theme.

>>52501666
Yea I think that is all he got, but that is honestly fairly useful for a charger.

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>>52501412
I'm theorymachining them in Jakes2. The problem is playing out of theme is the ultimate feelbad when the other guy is 20pnts up on you. You might as well be playing a 50pnt list. Fuck I hate theme met. I just wanna play with mercs and fun character jacks.

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>>52501412
Constance and her fanclub are not top tourney material, but you can probably get away with shoving them into a list with Cygnar best-ofs (pic related).

This is perfectly serviceable, unless you play against Tier 1 Circle or Rocketeer Vlad.

As far as putting them into "the meta" goes? ... Maybe in Steamroller 2017? A lot of people are banking really hard on that to "save" infantry.

>>52498316
Here's a rundown of Iosan military houses and Vyre:

>Rhyslyrr
Archers
Trained to hit a target on a moonless night on long distances
Guard the Gate of Mists and Mistbough Forest
Wear long black tunics with dark violet facing, and black leather armor
Symbol is the leaf and 3 arrows of Lurynsar
Many are renowned hunters
Stormfalls are supposed to be based on Rhyslyrr fighting styles

>Silowuyr
Defenders of Shyrr
Call themselves "Sureyssa" which means something roughly akin to "Blooded Ones"
Very ritualistic
Must take oaths that they will give their lives in defense

>Ellowuyr
Swordsmen
Swear an oath to each other, banning sex and marriage while under service
Aggressive
Founded Aeryth Ellowuyr

>Issyen
Guard the Gate of Storms
Wield long spears with jagged points
Ride fast horses
Wear black banded plate armor edged in gold and visored, crested helmets that cover the face
Legitimately racist and hate non-elves
Were pro-Goreshade in the civil war

>Vyre
Renowned masters of theosophy, astrology, occultism, magic and alchemy
Often tutor other wizards/alchemists in Iosan society
Has a wing called Nymyn which deals with Fane Priests, the Fanes and matters of the divine
Plus it was Goreshade and Ossyan's house

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>>52501394
I hope all the neo-casters get the Ayakos treatment.

Andy should get a character-clamjack. First, because Khador doesn't have a character clam yet and second, because it fits thematically (Andy is a coward).

>>52501889
I love Malakov's M Bison hat.

>>52493040
Please fuck me mistress!

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>>52501950
>>52501889

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>>52502009
>>52493040
>>52493035
>>52479131
not canon, but I like to imagine that Ruin was supposed to be Zerkova's jack, but because of how she fucked up and lost the elf god, they gave Ruin to Butcher just to troll her.

>>52488576
What did Grey Templar do?

I generally find his menoth talk ok.

>>52489971
I got a caster kill on Rhyas once with it in melee.

Much laughters were had.

>>52502074
Well, what is canon is that she definitely wanted Ruin as her own 'Jack and when she handed it off to Orsus he sensed that she hoped he would either die or Ruin would kill him so that she could claim it as her own. So far that hasn't happened obviously.

Is the Skorne Battlebox good? Did anything change in it after the errata?

My store might be doing a small league on mk3's birthday, so I want to be prepared.

>>52502074
It's actually funny in the fluff because zerkova nearly chokes trying to part away with Ruin to butcher because she has insane lust for all the magical bling it has.

Butcher even questions why he's getting anything at all, let alone a magic robot.

>>52502243
Gladiator PC+1, Savage PC-1. It's a terrible box.

>>52502262
Hmm...

How high are the chances for a Grymkin Battlebox to come out?

>>52502414
Given that CoC had one in Mk2 but hasn't gotten a retail one in Mk3, I'm leaning more on the chances that Grymkin won't get one. I have nothing more than a hunch to substantiate this however.

>>52502487
Are in CID and/or playing with/against Grymkin?

How do they play? I am pretty much obligated to pick them up at some point, since I'm an Old Witch fanboy, but I have no idea how they perform as of right now.

>>52501889
I actually made a Custom for him called Optimus who's just a Magnetized Jugg Chasis but will be painted with a Fancy Golden Texture and has Flags on his back.

Idea being its not REALLY a character jack but since he insisted that it cares about him its been customized with bling despite not bonding with him.

>>52502620
That's actually super great, haha.

>>52502555
Fortunately I already posted the current rules for the entire faction in this very thread at post >>52485755.

Overall Grymkin are an infantry and denial oriented faction. Each caster besides OW2/3 having three customizable reactive minifeats (some of which are powerful enough to be feats unto themselves), cheap shieldguards and infantry, and a central corpse economy mechanic makes the faction present "Devil's bargains" where your opponent has several choices but none of them are optimal. Personally while I'm not a fan of the aesthetic direction of the faction they are mechanically quite engaging and powerful with their current rules. We shall see how they change throughout the rest of CID, but at the moment they seem quite good and the CID process has been positive overall in my opinion. OW2 is probably better in Khador than OW3 is in Grymkin FYI, especially if the suggested additional Arcane Machinery they are playtesting make it to print.

>>52502620
>>52502678
"Kommander, we're having trouble with the warjack you'd requested, it,er...seems reluctant to join you on the battlefield."

"Nonsense, Optimus has no greater desire than to join me in glorious battle for the motherland."

*Exasperated Whistling in the distance*

>>52501881
Nyarr are ranked as one of the great military houses too, right?

Do Vyre still count or did they lose the title after the civil war.

It'd be cool to see some Issyen units now that Goreshade is working with the Retribution. That said, it kinda seems like Skeryth isn't exactly an elfpilled Goreshade supporter, though I guess he could be an outlier.

>>52502887
Vyre is not one of the great military houses as far as I am aware but one of the jack manufactures with Sheyll. Nyarr is dawnguard basically.

>>52502887
Skeryth is explicitly an outlier, as he became a Fane Knight to atone for his House's siding with Vyre during the war. As far as his limited fluff has demonstrated he also doesn't give a crap about other military house scions and really only seems to respect Ravyn in the Retribution's leadership, as she's the reason he's there.

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>>52502781
Thank you for the link, I'm looking over them every now and then, but have trouble theory-machine-ing them in my head.

Am I overthinking the whole corpse-gathering thing? Because it seems pretty difficult to me to get the engine running.

I also find the Warbeasts to be a little weird to look at (made even worse since I haven't played as a Hordes faction before). None of them really stand out to me as "just take 4 of those and it's good", like a Khador Juggernaut or Cephalyx Wrecker does, so I guess it requires a little more thought.

The Grymkin I'm most interested in just from a "first impression":

- Old Witch 3
- The Child
- Dread Rots
- Hollowmen

The Child looks like she's the "heavy" caster of Grymkin, which brings me back to my problem assessing the Grymkin beasts.

Oh and I will primarily buy Old Witch to play her in Khador, obviously. But I figured since I own the model anyway and don't own a Hordes faction yet, hey...

>>52502126
Hes a crybaby SJW

>>52502414
They should get one, the Heretic is mentioned in the design notes as being the introductory caster for the faction. My guess is purple plastic.

Who would be considered good guys in the Circle? IE not a bag of raging dicks that the faction is mainly made up of.

>>52503295
The Shifting Stones. Everyone else is a dick.

>>52503332
And even they're phallic.

What's the tier list for Cryx casters right now?

>>52503295
Kaya's nice enough, if a little single minded. Baldur was until he got all Wurm'd. Grayle is probably the most good natured of the bunch though.

>>52503361
1. Coven
2. Denny1
3. Skarre1
4...

... Gaspy1 maybe? Things get sketchy from that point.

>>52503361
>Good tier
N/A

>Shit tier
All of them

>>52503421
Not sure about him, seeing as he is a devoted Devouer worshiper and still practices those rituals.

>>52503490
Wurm worshippers can be good aligned, the only requirement is chaos.

>>52503490
Grayle? Where does it say he worships the Wurm? He was a Wolf of Orboros, and they're usually just from obscure villages that owe the Circle a debt

>>52502887
Nyarr is one of the great military houses. But they're pretty easy to get information on due to abundance of Dawnguard options and fluff.
>as a sidenote, Nyarr will take people from other families, swear them into the Dawnguard and have them change names to Nyarr

Vyre aren't a military house as >>52502965 points out. Neither are Shyeel either. Shyeel's specialty is mechanika, myrmidons and force magic. Vyre's was also put above.

Incidently, Lys has technically joined the battle with the Lys healers. They're the house charged with physicians and funeral rites.

>>52503421
What about Mohsar? Besides being hell-bent on killing the fuck out of Mordikaar that one time what's he really done to anyone else?

>>52503117
Well, the Dark Menagerie theme gives all of your non-trooper models that can have a Corpse Token a free one at the beginning of the game. So Skin and Moans, the Deathknell, Cage Rager, etc get their buffs and utility right off the bat. Spamming Dreadrots also gives you a ton of corpses from them killing things and dying.

>>52503572
In is Mk2 fluff entry it notes he's a Devourer worshiper. Also, most clans of the Wolf-Sworn have powerful Devourer cults even before the Blackclads show up to recruit them and they work to instill this belief further. So arguably most rank-and-file are worshipers of the Wurm, since they're Wolfsworn and Tharn.

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>>52503828
It sounds like he practically tortured Krueger as training, and I think he's supposed to be extra ruthless as far as casualties and all that. He does have a spell that has him literally replacing someone on the board after all.

We've only ever seen him be a grumpy old man in the stories though.

>>52503828
Mohsar is basically almost as antisocial as the King of Nothing. He hates civilization and humanity so much that he scares other Druids. He also mentored Krueger and is the only Blackclad the Stormlord fears, and when other druids find out Krueger was a Wilder under Mohsar they get a lot of insight into his character. Mohsar is a brutal and uncompromising figure and not at all pleasant.

>>52503978
>>52503992
And yet he's so fucking weak. Same problem with old Zerkova, except Mohsar's still shit.

>>52503944
Oh yea, I guess it does...

Still, like >>52503528 said, the Wurm is an amoral, predatory entity, and it's not too much of a stretch that woodsmen would respect that enough to worship it in that light since hunting is their lively hood. Grayle could still be a good guy by worshiping the Wurm in the context of hunting game and enemies, as opposed to the Tharn who just hunt everything, I suppose.

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>>52503900
That's actually super cool.

The Child doesn't do much for things outside of the battlegroup, so how many Dread Rots are feasible? I think two units are fine, but I might be wrong.

Is this a stupid list? Am I overlooking necessary solos?

Do we have anybody in the fluff who is both a sorcerer and a warcaster? Like, if they were playing ikrpg, the character would be a sorcerer/warcaster dual class? That sounds like a cool new thing we could get.

>>52504134
The Child makes Rattlers hit at PS 17 and they charge for free, so one of two might not be a bad idea. Maybe swap a Crabbit for a Gremlin Swarm. I would take out one of the Cage Ragers for a Dethknell: The Battle Engine is a great support piece, and the Cage Rager is very slow. Two units of Dreadrots sounds fine. Could go down to one. Proxying is the name of the game at this point. I'd try that list and this and see which one you like more.

Grymkin Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Dark Menagerie
(Child 1) The Child [+29]
- Cage Rager [14]
- Crabit [0]
- Crabit [0]
- Crabit [0]
- Rattler [8]
- Rattler [8]
- Skin & Moans [15]
- Skin & Moans [15]
Gremlin Swarm [0]
Gremlin Swarm [3]
Lady Karianna Rose [4]
Dread Rots (max) [12]
Dread Rots (max) [12]
Death Knell [13]

>>52504186
It's kind of hard to say, gameplay wise a warcaster is just a sorcerer that can also handle jacks. A sorcerer and warcaster each have the gift, but warcasters seem to get the better deal of the two. Of course, someone with an elemental focus like Sorscha might count, don't know what else her second class would be if you had to represent her.

>>52504186
Sorcerer in the IK is just someone who spontaneously presents their Gift. Magic is an in born trait. Most people have to study and train at it to get it to come out, but some spontaneously present magic and theyre referred to as sorcerers. Warcasters are just magic users that can manipulate latent magical energies. so, yes, a warcaster can spontaneously present their magical abilities and would therefore be a sorcerer.

In he IKRPG, you can take warcaster and sorcerer as your two careers.

>>52504186
Feora is a fire sorcerer and a warcaster. Her family just managed to stick her in the Flameguard at a young age and she has managed to pass off her magic as divine since then.

>>52504569
>>52504134
These guys just played a game with a similar list if you're interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfKwn9v3Mvw&t=1778s

>Grymkin aren't even out yet and their theme list is better than Skorne's

>>52504619
Theme lists are cancer anyway. I thought we were done with this shit after mk2

>>52504697
Welcome to Mk 3, that's all you're going to see.

>>52481809
I'd rather they be competent and not release obvious broken trash like Una 2.

>>52503295

This >>52503421 Anon is probably the most accurate. Even the nice ones have some problems though, Baldur was probably the only 'good guy' until he became a living conduit for the Wurm.

The best Circle has for 'good guys' are the ones who aren't actively trying to end the world, and the ones who aren't just politicking the fuck out of everyone else for petty reasons.

>Kaya

Feral child, doesn't give a shit about anyone except Baldur and her beasts. At least wants to protect the wild places of the world, rather than ending the world or using everyone for her personal benefit.

>Grayle

A soldier, he's not 'bad' per se but he also cannot refuse the more Machiavellian blackclads because of his upbringing.

>Bradigus

Just wants to protect the ley lines, sick of everyone else's shit.

>Baldur1

Good guy, everyone liked him, had good rapport with Trollbloods.

>Una

Like Kaya, but with birds.

Everyone else in the faction is unequivocally a huge asshole, with degrees of evil ranging from 'wants more power' to 'incarnation of a primordial God who heralds the apocalypse'.

>>52504569
I tried to get around having to buy the Death Knell, since it's probably going to cost another 100 bucks, but it's seems too good not to run huh?

It's a little late for math, can 5 attacks from a POW 17 Rattler scratch a Warjack? (Even if not, 8 points is good value I guess).

What does Old Witch 3 want in Grymkin? I first thought about pulling off some crazy spell assassinations with the Cage Rager, but then I realized Grymkin lack heavy guns and Witch 3 doesn't have the attack re-roll.

I will definitely prox a bunch of games at some point.

>>52504598
watched that just now, I'm learning.

>>52504974
>It's a little late for math, can 5 attacks from a POW 17 Rattler scratch a Warjack? (Even if not, 8 points is good value I guess).

Against your bog standard Khador jack, it does roughly 20 points of damage. That's pretty good for a light, but really the S&M are the ones doing the heavy hunting.

>>52504974
Alas the Deathknell is cheap and a ton of value, particularly in Dark Menagerie theme. It makes the stuff in your force a lot more survivable and is just pure utility with your force. IDK about OW3. She's geared more towards infantry and Arc node(s) are nice when compared with OW2, butsome of her kit is less impressive (Respawn being worse that Reconstruct because two fewer boxes and less armor values in Grymkin, no ability to go full ham BG on feat turn, etc). If the "Control Range+4" thing sticks though OW3 will be a great anti-gunline caster because 18" Windstorm range is amazing and you'll just ram Dreadrots and other dudes down their throats. I think both OWs are good now, they're just good in different ways. OW3 does have a more legitimate Assassination run through her spells than OW2, even if it's not as good as it was before. If you want to do that, bring Hollowmen probably.

>>52505023
What it really allows a Rattler to do is get enough damage to trash units like Sentinels under most circumstances thanks to berserk and overtake. High arm values won't save its natural prey (Infantry) which may become more prevalent. It'll on average also kill most faction's heavy jacks with that math on average rolls, which isn't bad at all. Skin and Moans will absolutely thrash heavies with the same buffs as well.

>>52504186
Haley, Sorscha, Denny, Feora.

Generally speaking, anyone with a primary element (element used loosely here - Haley's 'element' is time, for example) that most if not all their magic manipulates is a sorcerer. Their magical powers are something that well up from deep inside them, something intensely personal and more about practice than knowledge, powerful but specialized. Arcanists, on the other hand, are magic-users with a more general form of the Gift. Haley is a sorcerer with the power to manipulate time, Ossyan is an arcanist who has researched and learned, among other things, how to play with time. Ossyan could have learned something totally different and funneled his Gift into another area, but Haley's powers were always going to express themselves as they have.

>>52486652
For some reason, I can shake the idea that Thyron is incredibly handsome under that helmet.

>>52504974
Also, keep in mind that if you manage to trigger The Child's Trump Arcana beforehand it's six attacks. That's about 23 damage on a Juggernaut on average rolls and most other faction's baseline warjacks will be straight up dead. It's a decently hard hitting fire-and-forget missile that can work decently into armor and units with The Child.

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>>52505023
How is this for an Old Witch 3 list? (building my first list with her seems to be the most logical choice, since she will be the first Grymkin model I own.)

She can do a very similar thing as the child with the Rattlers, by debuffing the Target with Curse of Shadows and giving them free charge and speed with Boundless.

Crabits are pretty necessary for her with the whole assassination problem. But maybe I should go down to 2 and get two Gremlins for Fury management instead.

Are two Cage Ragers too much? I feel like Old Witch really wants them, for the instant-arc node (I can't find anywhere on the card that says the Rager has to spend the token to channel). They also hit reasonably hard.

Skin and Moans with Old Witch 3 seems pretty decent actually, since she can use their animus to shoot the crow gun and get back into safety again.

Lastly, I feel like the Sisters need to be in this list, to keep the Witch alive with Healing. But they are so expensive and is it really worth it to support only one squad of troopers?

I will try this out.

>>52505220
>>52505133
>>52505023
You know what guys, this is actually winning me over on the Rattler. Seems like a pretty decent way to spend 8 points with the child.

>>52505094
Hmm... The Bump in the Night theme seems pretty cool, but it might actually take a bit of work to get Corpse Tokens onto the Arc Node.

But debuffing something for -2 ARM and then swamping it with POW 10 weaponmasters sounds pretty cool too.

>>52505286
My personal opinion is that OW3 works better as an infantry caster foremost, so I'd try her in the Bump in the Night theme. I could of course be wrong about that, but it's my gut feeling. 18" Windstorm will probably get your guys there, then Hellhole keeps them coming back.

Grymkin Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Bump in the Night
(Old Witch 3) Zevanna Agha, The Fate Keeper [+29]
- Cage Rager [14]
- Crabits (2) [7]
- Crabits (2) [7]
- Skin & Moans [15]
Lord Longfellow [0]
Witchwood [0]
Witchwood [0]
Dread Rots (max) [12]
Dread Rots (max) [12]
Dread Rots (max) [12]
Hollowmen (max) [13]
- Lantern Man [3]
Murder Crows [9]

Might be worth a try.

>>52505463
You are correct that the arc node aspect of the Cage Rager is harder in Bump in the Night, but Wraithbane is a great animus to have for the Witch. I would potentially consider a Frightmare as well since it hands out Eyeless Sight as an animus. I do feel that between Tough, Rise, Corpse Tokens, Hollow Men ranged Shanghai and Hellhole your army will present a lot of problems for an enemy with or without OW3 at the helm.

>>52505478
Looking at this, my only concern is 1.) Fury (the beasts die easily and the Crabits don't give dead-fury) and 2.) reliably opening armor.

Although point 2 probably isn't as much of a problem with Curse of Shadows. I never had to do debuff-math.

Sisters might be nice and not having the Lady in theme is a shame. But I won't blow anything off before I try it out.

Thankfully, this list is pretty easy to prox for me.

IKRPG Unleashed question:

Are Wolds ok warbeasts for a Blackclad/Warlock character or are Devourer ones way better?

On the note of raging dicks, in each faction, there is obviously people who aren't colossal fuckbags. Who are they all?

>Circle
Kaya, Grayle, Baldur, Bradigus, Una

>>52506272
>Cygnar
Magnus, Connie

>>52506272
>Protectorate
Kreoss, Durst, Tristan...... Harbinger? Not sure about Amon, there's next to no fluff about him.

>>52506167
Wolds are great because they don't shit everywhere if you give them chocolate.

>>52506272
>Trollbloods
Most Trollblood casters aren't colossal fuckbags, it's more looking at the casters who are.
Doomshaper, I guess Ragnor?

>>52506272
Khador:
Harkevich, Vladimir, Kozlov

>>52506359
>a terrorist and a religious fanatic
wew lad

>>52506498
>A dude who hides his artillery among civilians and has zero problems using illegal chemical warfare and a vampire
...
...

>>52506272
What has Morvahna done that makes her not one of the good guys?

>>52506272
>Convergence
I mean, for the most part they're all pretty chill. If I had to say someone WAS a shitbag I'd say Syntherion, if only because he seems to be the antisocial "ree, stay out of my workshop" kind of guy.

>>52506359
Almost all of Cygnar's warcasters are alright people.

>>52506559
She's a manipulative power hungry bitch?

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>be big bear
>be the coolest model in the game
>have armor on
>POW 16
>ARM 18

JUST

>>52506614
Found the Cygnar player.

>>52506272
>Retribution
Thyron, Ravyn, Ossyan, Helynna, Kaelyssa.

>Mercenaries
Almost everyone. Damiano and Ashlynn are particularly nice though.

>>52506167

Wolds have serious issues. Not being able to heal naturally matters a lot more in an RPG than on the TT and the low fury of them means your spellcasting ability is very, very low.

On the other hand: They are less prone to 'Ask the GM if you can have another'.

>>52504186
>>52505167
Nemo, Krueger - lightning
Borka, Sorscha, - ice
Vlad, Zerkova - wind
Bradigus - earth
Feora, Reznik - fire
Deneghra - death

There's others I'm sure, but those are off the top of my head.

>>52506614
Yeah, basically everyone but Stryker.

>>52506654
Ret and Cryx.

But seriously, Cygnar are clearly the designated goodguy faction of Warmachine, much the same way as Trollbloods are the designated goodies of Hordes. Nearly every warcaster they have is at least an okay human being. Those that have have been dicks have usually just been going through an edgy phase, like Stryker.

>>52506687
Bradigus and Krueger are different. They don't have the Gift in the standard sense, they've gone through Wilding. Their souls are touched by the Wurm.

And Reznik supposedly gets his powers from Menoth.

>>52506683
The heal naturally is solvable with Wold Mastery, but the small Fury is indeed a complication...

That's sad, because Wolds are pretty cool.
I guess I should stick with Fury 1-2 spells

>>52506718
I thought all Menoth casters are divine casters, not arcane. Arcane casters in the Protectorate become those poor chained up vassal bastards.

>>52506389
Kreoss, Siege, Damiano (a bit corner case but he's not a huge asshole), Harkevich (at least pre-Flashpoint), Kozlov. Kryssa is the closest thing Legion will ever have to "not a colossal fuckbag" (she mercy kills, gives clean deaths and doesn't spread wanton violence). Cryx doesn't really have room for nice people.

>>52506559
She mindbroke Ghetorix and then had him slaughter his own village including his family to prove a point to Kromac. She also has sent Kaya on canonically five missions that were supposed to be suicidal and spends the lives of her troops and allies wantonly. She's gotten better about this (actually one of the few warcasters/locks that has become less dickish over time) but the fact remains. She's not a nice woman.

>>52506844
>I thought all Menoth casters are divine casters, not arcane.

That's the official line within the Protectorate, but it's pretty much bullshit. They know they need warcasters so they choose to pull the "Menoth's will" self delusion crap.

>>52506654
Play with Rask, slap Fury and Rage on him, and then his native damage values make a lot more sense.

>>52506799

Yeah but Wold Mastery is something a PC won't be able to start with iirc.

>>52506844

The line is a rather thin one at the best of times when it was a god that gave humanity arcane magic. Possibly by carving up some elf gods to do so.

>>52506911
it doesn't have to be bullshit though. divine casters exist in the setting and Menoth casters could all very well be those. Harbinger almost certainly is, and Severius.

>>52506844
It's become more official as an explanation over the editions that this is the case, but at least initially it was mostly that they needed warcasters to interface with "unclean" mechanica to compete with other powers. They've become a lot less rigid about this over time. Additionally, Feora is a Sorcerer who has managed to hide the "tainted" source of her power. Most of the other warcasters are in some way channeling divine power at least a little bit though.

>>52506272

If you read the novels you find out that Caine is a pretty good guy. Spent most of his life as either a miscreant or being duped into being the Scout General's personal assassin, but in the end he made the right decisions and his current motivations are noble.

>>52506964
Tristan as well most likely. Anyone with healing magic is basically confirmed for divine spellcaster in the setting.

>>52506956
Yep.

Another question: with Wold Mastery, I can heal a Wold with Fury. But does it let me use healing spells on them, like Medicate?

>>52506964
>>52506982

I think it's important to make the distinction between magic and warcaster talent. You can have no magical training and have the gift to be a warcaster, and in the reverse you can have magical training but lack the gift. Being a 'warcaster' only means that you can control warjacks, it doesn't automatically dictate what kind of magic you can use. Controlling warjacks is by the definition of most in the IK, classed as sorcery, so even if the warcasters in the Protectorate only use divine magic, their connection to their warjacks is still considered arcane.

>>52507056

Yeah. You can heal it however you want as long as they are in your battle group.

Honestly, wold mastery is something that should have been available before Veteran as it's really needed to make them work.

>>52507071

I sorta wish the RPG hadn't lumped all spellcasting under 'You must be Gifted'. I'd have liked something a bit more like, say, Skorne. Give everyone a 'Gift' score, even if they can't cast spells. Tie it to your ability to use supernatural stuff like divine blessings/how many magic items you can use.

>>52507158
Nice, thanks!

>>52506272
What about Tanith? She isn't an asshole so much as she's following an asshole's orders.

>>52507299
She's a pretty big asshole. Vernor has stripped away most of her positive qualities and left a hollow and ruthlessly pragmatic enforcer.

Does anyone have a link to the new Khador model stats?

>>52506964
>it doesn't have to be bullshit though.

But it is. Some are probably legit divine casters, but really the Protectorate generally pulls the wool over their own eyes for the sake of practicality. I mean, just look at Vassals. "Oh, sorcery and all its products is all evil and blasphemous, but if we shackle these guys and treat them like shit, that makes it okay." The Protectorate are huge hypocrites.

>>52506272

It's tricky for Legion since for the most part everyone is an unrepentant monster. Kyrssa still seems to show some human-like emotions, and Rhyas and Abby might sort of count because they're too brain damaged to really be in full control of their actions.

The only one I don't really know where to place on the dickback scale is Bethayne because she's almost entirely a non-factor in the fluff.

>>52506586

Axis is an angry, crazed fanatic who doesn't bathe and is growing increasingly desparate because he knows he's too broken of a person to qualify for the magic soul box, a privilege that no names seem to be getting just fine.

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Battle Engine CID when? What are you guys optimistic/pessimistic about possible BE changes?

>>52508291
Probably within the next two weeks.

I'm concerned BEs getting multiple boosts will make several of them OP. But that's just me.

>>52508291

I'll never use the Legion one in its current state, so any buffs are nice.

I kinda wish they'd all just be reconfigured into jacks and beasts though. They were just a weird experiment to see if they could sell models on a larger base, and now that PP has proven that they just remain as a weird forgotten bit of design space like warbeast packs.

>>52505215
>8 ft tall
>fights with a 9 ft long greatsword
>can deflect bullets with the damn thing
Forget handsome, Thyron would probably give a greek god a run for their money under that armor.

>>52508766

I will fully admit I imagine him looking like Achilles from Infinity with pointed ears.

>>52506554
Vlad isnt a vamp.
Neithrr is kozlov

>>52508291
I hope the Horse Wagon gets sac pawn back

RIP Butcher Taxi 2017-2017

>>52510419
He's at least 40% vampire.

I mean, he's not actually a vampire, but he's basically Dracula.

Still a cool dude though. And I feel like Harkevich was probably under strict orders from someone more like Irusk or Strakhov.

>>52508291
I just want the Reiver tag and some more boxes for the Animantarax.

>>52506661
Speaking of Ret, does Goreshade coming back mean Rahn has to give up his "Immoren's Nastiest Old Man" trophy?

>>52511263
Well, Rahn is still older than Goreshade, IIRC.

He just didn't get stabbed hard enough to require undeath.

Can the Troll Whelps produced by the Mountain King contest flags? WHAC doesn't say anything about them.

>>52511173
Who's more of a vampire: Vlad, or Hexeris?

>>52511835
They can. They are classified as solos.

>>52500909
I'm going to use these exact same lists at the next Steamroller coming up this Saturday. 3 from my LGS are going, it's a 16 player event. We're going to get the shit kicked out of us :^)

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Strakhov is borderline unfair against someone who doesn't know what he does haha.

I just assassinated Stryker2 with the good ol' 21" Ruin. It was actually a super close, because I missed the charge attack and one of the three bought swings. Thankfully, I managed to Assault Stryker with Torch before Ruin went in and put two points deciding points onto him.

Here is the question; How do you play Strakhov if your opponent knows what he does?

>>52506614
It's hard not to be an "alright person" when you have no personality to speak of.

>>52508834
I can totally see that.

Also, is being freakishly huge just an elf thing? I always assumed Goreshade was big because he's an eldritch, but I guess not?

>>52512397
Eh, they have a personality, that personality is just kinda boring because it boils down to "good guy from good guy faction."

There are outliers though. Nemo is one of the few warcasters that feels like a real human bean, and Maddox's burning hateboner for Menites is pretty great.

>>52512553
>good guy from good guy faction
More like "reasonable guy from good PR faction".

>>52512535
It's a genetic thing they have. Not all elves are giants, but I believe seacat said it's a relatively common thing. There's Goreshade, Thyron, and I believe Issyria is as well.

>>52512397
This isn't really exclusive to Cygnar though.

A lot of warcasters are pretty blank when it comes to real personality. Most of those outside of the main bunch of each faction are pretty one-note, and some of the 'major character' ones are too. Gaspy's defining trait is that he talks in Shakespearean English, Sorscha's personality is ice queen puns and longing for Dracula dick, Denny's a sarcastic sloot, etc. What can you really say about who Venethrax and Kozlov and the like are as people?

Warnouns like Goreshade or Krueger, who come off as realish people with a bit of nuance and legitimate flaws, are a definite minority.

>>52467585
>fuck my dog
Please don't...

>>52483707
A videodrome reference? That's a fine vintage of pop culture you've got there, Anon.

>>52512756
>It's a genetic thing they have... seacat said
Pretty sure that was either a joke along the lines of "boats with cortexes constantly ramming eachother". Privateer's sculptors are just incapable of figuring out scale issues. This is a long standing thing, and going to CAD for the designs (inexplicably) didn't help at all. Go ask a troll player if you're curious.

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>>52512900
I feel like Legion's warlocks have a surprising range.

About half of them seem like a variation of pic related, but pretty distinct variations.

>>52512282
You abuse Overrun and Resourceful.
He can stay safe in stealth, cast Overrun on a Behemoth/Conquest each turn and send loaded Juggy somewhere far away to kill something there. With added snipers/wgrc that should be enough damage per turn to matter.
Keep the feat to mess with opponent's positioning and use it if he opens up for assassination.

Plan B is using the push spell for surprise score.

>>52514041
A superior Juggernaut with Overrun is still 16", right?

That's pretty cool. Khador speed demons are scary.

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CoC gets 1st and 4th at Crucible. Skorne 2nd, Legion 3rd. Highest placing Cygnar player was 12th, highest placing Circle player was 13th.

>>52506654
>bear with armor on
>better ARM than a robot made of necrometal

>>52515075
low key, convergence is busted as fuck.

They have placed consistently in almost every single mk3 top 8 I can remember,

>>52515514
Same POW too.

>>52513571
Well Ghyrrshyld is written in the FoW Retribution MkII book as being a big dude, so I'm gonna say you're wrong. It's all done on computers now, if they didn't want them that big they wouldn't make them that big; no one on a medium base was accidentally too large.

>>52515586

What is busted about them?

>>52515698
Iron Mother is just plain good into the current meta (shooting, jackspam).

>>52515698
You can't debuff vector MAT/RAT directly and they are incredibly focus efficient thanks to weird mechanics. IIRC, all the beatstick-heavies are Steady too, which is surprisingly useful in a world full of 10p Marauders and being immune to Cygnar's cortex-kill bullshit is a plus.

Apparently, their themes are super good too and they still have the best Colossal in the entire game.

I can count the number of times I played against Convergence on three fingers, but every time was really scary.

>>52515586
The list composition is a bit different than usual though. Farmer didn't use Watt's lists from Adepticon, for instance. Here were the winning lists.

Lucant
-Prime axiom
-corollary
-inverter
-cipher
-galvanizer
Tep
Od
Flare bots
Gun botsx2
Boom bots

Axis
-corollary
-inverterx2
-conservator
-galvanizerx3
Tepx2
Od
Flare botsx2
Gun botsx2
Boom bots

>>52506687
Nemo I dont think is a sorcerer but an arcane mechanik, vlad also gained his powers via pacts from his bloodline. Reznik is just faith I am fairly sure as well, since there is nothing about him being able to cast fire stuff before he became what he is.

Protectorate wise I think only feora is a sorc, everyone else is divine based/warcaster manifested.

>>52506389
Kreoss, Durst, Tristan, Vinditus (unlike other scuterers he would rather focus on converting than punishing, aside from vlad) Harbinger is nice, if you are a menite, so I would not really put her on the list even if she is nice. She just sort of knows she cant save everyone and does not try to save people she cant convert.

We do need a good guy flameguard caster, although Pyrrus I suppose is fairly good, just is basically /fit/

We need more Thamarite casters. Dark Lady best god 100%

>>52516943
Ragman2, minion Warlock with partisan Grymkin when?

>>52501881

>Stormfalls are supposed to be based on Rhyslyrr fighting styles

Very loosely based, considering RAT 5. That or Rhyslyrr archers' reputation is bull

>>52502243

It's OK. Raider won't see much play. Savage sneaks into my lists now and then. Gladiator is staple. Xekaar's not bad, according to popular opinion he's just a squishier/weaker version of Morghoul2.

X is just squishy and likes to spend his stack. Requires some finesse and some babysitting by Krea.

>>52506272

> Skorne
.... lemme get back to you on that

Naaresh might be the most allright-ish of the faction, he's just the Buddha of pain.

>>52511842
Goreshade 1-3

>>52517524
Mordikaar maybe.

His most pressing concern is just fixing the Skorne afterlife.

Actually, it's kinda ironic that they attacked Ios, considering that they're in roughly the same cosmological jam.

>>52516874
>Vindictus

He's still a professional torturer, bruh.

He may prefer that people willingly turn to Menoth, but he's not above applying a great deal of agony to help people change their minds about their current faith. Definitely not a nice dude.

>>52517279
I think that is on purpose mainly because it is less about hitting the target and more of hitting the area since bomb arrows, They may be the heavy rifle teams though.

>>52518676
Eh, in reality they're probably MAT5 because game balance. Highly accurate Stormfalls would annihilate pretty much anything they so much as glance at.

>>52518676
>>52518708
Managing to put a grenade-tipped arrow vaguely on target, at ranges longer than those of the faction's sniper rifles, is a feat all in itself.

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>>52467308

Are Trollbloods playable yet?
Every thread, there is doom-mongering about how shit they are as a faction, how they are mono-build and have no coherent army theme.

Is this accurate, or overhyped? Are they screwed like 40k Orks are screwed, do they need a finer hand to reach great heights, or do they need a fine hand to be mediocre?

>>52506491
Doomshaper is awful, but Ragnor is more like a grumpy old hermit. Not a bad guy, per se, just world-weary and irritable

>>52520249

Trollbloods can be competitive but in order to be you have to pick 2-3 specific casters. the rest of the roster just doesn't perform enough. I think TB players are just sick of not having more options

>>52520249
We're talking about Privateer Press here, not even mk2 Minions were on the same level as anything Waynes Dorkshop has fucked up.

Ever since the themes are out, Trolls have placed in tourneys by the hands of dedicated players. Sure, they could use some patchwork, but unless you are actually going to pro-tourneys (protip; you won't. ever) suck it up and play the god damn game.

In Warmahordes, a good player with a shitty list will always defeat a shit player with a meta list (unless dice happen).

>>52520249
They aren't massively bad, like orcs, but in wmh slightly is often too much. The only way to win as trolls is to have hot dice or outskill your opponent. In a perfectly fair matchup you will always lose because the numbers are against you - too little stats for too many points.

>>52515075
> Trolls are nowhere to be found.

Feels bad, kithkin.

>>52520539
The problem with that last statement is when most of your gaming club are pretty good players who also have pretty good factions and bring pretty good lists. Even if they're not going full tournament list, ut can be difficult seeing someone able to play a much larger portion of their faction than you can with good results.

>>52520521
>>52520539
>>52520544
>>52520765

Cheers all.
Internal balance is very important to me, as is having multiple playstyles. I want to work for my victories, but I also want them to be flashy and effective. I don't want to strain for an average victory because my faction is weak.

Dark Eldar-hard, rather than Ork-hard.

Should I be looking elsewhere then?
I am also very taken with Retribution, Convergence and Skorne. Minions are interesting but I know nothing about the playstyle.

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>>52520544
This is partially bullshit, because this only applies to 75 points steamroller min-maxing.

If you walk into a store and see two play pic related, nobody has an overbearing advantage over the other solely based on faction choice.

There is a level of play between "Steamroller Tournament" and "Age of Sigmar jus for fun xD". And in that level, Warmahordes is perfectly fine.

>>52520901
Ret and convergence are top tier. Skorne are ok. Minions are pretty bad.

>>52520903
I see very similar lists play out and must say that Khador has a significant advantage here. The lists may seem alike on paper but the khador one is much, much more resource efficient and has more models that get work done. Ifp are as good on their own as fenns under the stone, having solo+ca on top of that pushes them through the roof. The jacks and beasts will only go toe to toe if the beasts are always under stone and you can hand out rage and pulverizer effectively. And then you have the bears and widowmakers that you have to keep an eye out for or they will take out the stone or another important piece effectively for free. I play both factions and I love my blue skinned fellers, but there is trying not to scare away potential players and there is deluding yourself.