Horus Heresy General /hhg/ - the Eternal Backlog Edition

Are WS the only legion that BL has actually made better?

>>52460933
Chris Wraight tends to have a way of doing it - he makes even Space Wolves better (Howl of the Hearthworld).

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Finished building my Coronus Grav Carriers. Even by FW quality there's quite a few mold lines and such and a few spots I still have to fill/sand.

Deathwatch for scale; these are fucking big.

>>52460903
>Sweeping Fire
what the fuck does this rules do? i read it, and it just 'i can fire all my weapons' but they only have one weapon
am i a big dumb dumb

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SWEET STUFF
CANDY FOR EVERYONE

>>52460960
That explains the ridiculous price tag.

I was wondering why they cost the same as a gw baneblade in dollarydoos.

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Are Custodes viable as a standalone army? I like the idea of a really elite, small-model count force and I love their lore. Plus if and when Forge World gives us Big E, he'd make a great centerpiece model.

>>52461015
They work fanatically by themselves, and that's even ignoring all the Sister's units.

They're hard hitting and act like even more elite Grey Knights. They can deep strike, take transports, or even just walk with plenty of cover from some tanks.

Super worthwhile and a squad of 3 spearmen can easily take a squad of 15 Legionaires.

>>52461029
Great to hear. The low model count's great for my purposes too, really want to make each one stand out with bitz, base work, and conversions. Custodian Guard seem like a good medium for that, given they're the Emperor's backup singers.

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Does anyone know some good stuff for making moulds for recasts?
Some anon recommended Oyumaru yesterday when I asked about jump packs but the reviews go both ways. Since I'm getting at least one Moritat I might as well use a jump pack to make 20-40 of my own.

>>52461139
They're exactly that. When you can potentially have just 20 footsloggers at 2k points it gives you lots of cool opportunities.

>>52460954
But Howl of the Hearthworld is written by ADB tho.

>>52461139
What bitz/conversions can you even add to Custodes? They're already blinged out.

>>52461173
Oyumaru softens when heated and resins heat up when hardening.
Smooth Cast produces easy to use resin and silicon products. I dislike the brittle nature of their 300 range resins however so if anyone can recommend something more closer to the heavier and slightly flexible resin of FW I'd be happy to try it out.

When you can't bring allies due to RoW and sort, is Praevian a not-bad choice?

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>>52460903
>IW and IF bury their love under a deep cover of hate
Stalwart like the wall
Intrincate like the trenches
Our love goes to ground

>>52460981
help with my rules query?

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>>52461302
They're not bad, but fucking legionnaires stop stealing our robbuts reeeeeeeee

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my late heresy Death Guard. I picture these guys changing to all green after they get ambushed by Nurgle in the warp and Typhon sells their souls. I wanted some of the 30k aspects, with the beginnings of the Plague Marine looks you see on the classic models, and will soon see in April or May.

Similar to the almost Black Legion guy in book 7, or the White and red World Eater in book 6.

>>52461302
Depending on your legion they can be fucking amazing, just ask the Raven Guard.

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>>52461173
>>52460988
>Have ammo links
>Can shoot up to 12 shots tops
>No bolt pistol version
MORE THAN ENOUGH TO KILL ANYTHING THAT MOVES

>>52461366
The line in gray has a dot at the end of it.

>>52461351
Too bad I'm meager SoH :(

Made an IF list from earlier; sadly I can't find any Rites of War that fit what I want?

HQ: Legion Praetor w/ Cataphractii Terminator Armor, Paragon Blade, Vigil Pattern Storm Shield, and Grenade Harness 165pt

HQ: Command Squad of 5 w/ Cataphractii Terminator Armor, 1 Iliastus Pattern Assault Cannon, and 2 Chainfists 230pt

Elites: Legion Veteran Tactical Squad of 10 w/ Marksmen, Veteran Sergeant w/ a Powerfist, and 2 Missile Launchers w/ Suspensor Webs 225pt

Elites: Contemptor Dreadnought Talon of 1 w/ a Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon and Extra Armor 195pt

Troops: Legion Tactical Squad of 20 w/ a Sergeant w/ a Powerfist 240pt

Troops: Legion Tactical Squad of 20 w/ a Sergeant w/ a Powersword and Plasma Pistol 250pt

Troops: Legion Breacher Siege Squad of 10 w/ a Sergeant w/ a Thunder Hammer and Breaching Charge, and 2 Meltaguns 260pt

Transport: Rhino w/ Extra Armor 40pt

Heavy Support: Legion Vindicator w/ Extra Armor 125pt

Heavy Support: Deredeo Dreadnought w/ a Lascannon Battery and Aiolos Missile Launcher 270pt

2000 points

>>52460981
It does nothing for the Cuckstodes jetbikers. Appearently Bligh gave them the rule for futureproofing. It's pretty much like the miser-something : nobody knows exactly what it is suppose to do.

>>52460981
>>52461315
Well. Er. You could throw a grenade in addition to shooting the gun, I guess?

>>52460988
What's up with the metal flaps between their legs? It looks like it could hook on the inner sides of their legs, and like it would definitely obstruct them if they tried to stand up straight.

>>52460988
>LEGION MORITATS
>Lone killers, scouts and assassins
Only one of those is true.

>>52461302
>is Praevian a not-bad choice?
Tank Hunter is pretty good on Castellax

>>52461327
Relax, your big mortar robots justify paying the taxes involved to get you as allies. Wish MC had proper skitarii troops though desu. And 40k cross-compatibility.

>>52461761
Lone?

Even that's not true, because they're basically Destroyer Primes, ie: worthless + 1.

>>52461791
Well most of these are going to spend their time being left behind on the shelf, all alone. And all they'll have to kill is some time.

>>52460933
World Eaters, imo. They didn't even make sense in the old fluff, but ADB made them sound like they could actually function as a legion in Betrayer.

Chris Wraight also made chaosified Emperor's Children more understandable.

Maybe the Thousand Sons? I didn't know much about them before.

>>52461015
Yes, they're OP so everybody's doing it and you might as well join the party.

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I FEEL THE CALL TO THE IRON ONCE AGAIN BROTHERS

>>52461892
How awkward is that skirt going to be when it gets hooked behind their kneepads? What if they want to close their legs?

Tbh after all this time I think FW shouldn't have bothered with them.

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>>52461903
>Marines
>Closing their legs

>>52461281
Mostly poses, neat bases. Some of the Grey Knight-esque besague shields. Cloaks, censors. I have an interesting idea for a shield-captain using the Knight-Venator wings from Age of Sigmar.

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>>52461911
Not all of us are Emperor's Children.
Some of us (*cough* the sons of Dorn *cough*) have our dignity.

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>>52461892
Get a load of this imbecile.

>>52461344
Too thin. It needs a belly.

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>>52461925
I am to loyal to take this shit from a wall-humper.

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>>52461977
> modified MK IV helmets to better imitate puckered lips

>>52461977
What exactly is going on in this pic?

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>>52461991
>he doesn't know a dick snout when he sees one

Is Medusa, Sicaran (Venator) or Lightning a must-buy above certain points level?

Girlyman says that the Emperor failed his sons just as much as they failed him

What does he mean by this?

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>>52461991
https://youtu.be/qkJrTb0tmM4

Muh Bowie, even though he is only sampled here.

Anyways, EC have some of the best designed HH duderinos and are blinged out like fuck.

Phoenix Terminators and Palatine Blades look amazing as does their squad uphrade set.
The phoenician pattern helmets are one of the few distinctively unique ones together with the DG spiked helmets.

The SoH one looks to wierd in comparison.

>>52462020
>Medusa
I don't own one and did fine even in 5-6k point games
>Sicaran Venator
A venator is nice to have if you know you're going to face a lot of superheavy vehicles, but don't want to field one of your own
>Lightning
Great on paper, but if it doesn't turn up before turn 4 it's just a huge waste of points. Also Saboteur > Lightning :^)

>>52462040
Achaean is the most distinctive armour. Shame it doesn't survive into 40k but zhao-akkad does get purged.

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>>52462012
Its a diorama of old Visions of Heresy art which is shown in the background.
Some loyalist EC crashed a SoH rhino with no survivors and pose with the enemie's captured banner for a remembrancer.

>>52462031
Maybe by not telling and warning them about Chaos, then going from crusading alongside his sons and fighting with them every step of the way to silent and not answering phonecalls from one moment to the next.

>>52462031
He didn't adequately prepare them and was struck down.

>>52462031
Basically the emperor didn't trust them and they didn't trust him. Also the Emperor didn't see them as sons yet still treated them like it and used his position to exploit them. If he was just their captain or Emperor they would've accepted his half-truths and his abandonment.

God what am I doing. I bought 10 Saggitarium Guard and am going to give them all Melta Bombs.

That's 690 points why am I doing this.

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>>52462049
Yeah, Achean looks really nice. But to me the continuity between the old vision art and the minis as well as the lack of similarity to the standard MKIV helmet makes the Phonecian pattern my favourite.

Do you guys also have skme visions art saved?

Also Zhao Akkad still exists, its just even shittier according to the book. At least the first milennia after the heresy due to the infighting and war ravages as well as brain drain.

>>52462082
>Also the Emperor didn't see them as sons

That's only in MoM. There are a lot of things that make a whole lot more sense when the Emperor does care about the Primarchs ... including the fact that he cares extremely much about every single custodes which are less related t him and required a whole lot less time and resources to produce. The Emperor should at least care about the primarchs because of how much he invested in making them.

>I still think that particular part of MoM is just ADB's trauma getting the better of him.

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>>52462092
Because you love thrm and thats ok. I just hope the Misericordia is at least an ap3 weapon soon.

Taking Valdor and having them deepstrike to kill some tonks seems at least somewhat effevtive.

> Bolter-stodes look so cool.

>>52462110
I don't understand why FW hasn't released an FAQ at least for Inferno already. They are probably being bombarded with questions about weird or missing rules right now, and we still have no real answers.

>>52462110
I feel like me running Valdor is the best thing to happen to them. Deepstrike them and blast the shit out of stuff while keeping one side of them out of LOS from other units.

I'm already running two Caladius Grav Tanks, so now I have lots of heavy firepower covered.

>>52462046
What do you guys commonly use for AV14+ then?

Oh, also, isn't Saboteur trick requires a relic or something?

>>52462133
Oh fuck, definetly.....does Valdor allow them to deepstrike as well?

Personally, I fear for transportless deepstrikers...so I thought about a Tribune inflitrating 3 6 man squads in their pimp mobiles, but I fear their weapons are to weak against tough armour.

Do you have enough choppy with that amount of shooty stuff in your list? Who accompanies Valdor?

>>52462110
>>52462133
What's you guys' table-holders? You know, to avoid auto-lose.

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>>52462110
>>52462133
Honestly in a big game I want to see 10 of them drop down and blast a Primarch.

It probably wont kill them, but BS 5 S5 AP2 shots hurt a fuck ton.

That or have them drop behind a squad of Vindicators for much needed hilarity. I witness 10 proxies of them do this the other day and pop all 3 in one go. The IW player was absololutely furious and threw so much shit at them; only killing 2. The next turn they killed a Knight.

>>52462151
Saboteur-relic trick doesn't work anyway. You have to declare the use of the relic at the start of the turn, but the saboteur isn't on the table at the start of the turn so you can't.

>>52462163
>>52462167
In games of 3k I run 15-20 Spearmean and 5-10 Sword/Shields.

My Caladius Tanks sit in the back with a squad holding down...something, or an Achillus Dread sitting pretty behind cover.

It's always worth it to have that squad or Dread sit back with the tanks behind some cover. If you don't have any, just disperse as much as you can and you'll live.

>>52462197
Have you had much luck running fist/shild guard? they seem very good, but sacrfice that sweet sweet I5

>>52462163
Forgot to mention, Valdor rides in his DS with a Coronus tank filled with 5 other base Spearmen Custodes. If I feel like being an ass I throw in Hetaeron with a few Paragon Blades/Solerite Gauntlets and Shields. The tank Tribune drops in as well with another squad, also sometimes in a Coronus. That or he superspeeds across the board with a squad in the beginning of the game and helps Valdor drop while scaring the enemy.

>>52461742
>sadly I can't find any Rites of War that fit what I want?
This is sadly pretty common for IF. The other in-fluff footslogging legions get pretty good general purpose Rites of War that match up with what players generally build for the sake of the army's fluff and rules, like The Reaping, Hammer of Olympia, Head of the Gorgon, and Logos Lectora, but the IF's has two heavily specialised rites of war, one for the overcosted warders and breachers, the other a piecemeal teleport thing that cripples your early deployment.
A good general purpose IF Rite of War would make HS squads non-comp troops, give relentless and stubborn in deployment zone, and some kind of fortificiation/cover bonus too.

As for your list, I don't see any rite of war that fits it "as is".
I think the list is somewhat unfocused and insufficiently versatile, can't decide if it's foostlogging or not.
I would drop the terminators (take an iron halo praetor). The Contemptor and the Vindicator would suggest an aggro/fast build, but the tac squads don't. So I would either say go for Pride of the Legion with three veteran tactical rhinos, or with no RoW and two breachers + 1 veteran. Or you could go infantry-light with the Armoured Spearhead generic RoW, have two breachers in land raiders, and throw in another vindicator or a Sicaran.

>>52461977
Excellent diorama.
I especially like the old style of MkIV anteater head and the CSM legs and arms. I plan to use some on my murophiles.

>>52462167
Only theory crafting currently, but I have my paragon-spear, cyber familiar Tribune in a regular troop sword and board squad with shrikes and melta bombs, a solarite fist and vexilla in a transport. 2 6 man guard squads with bombs in transports as well.

Seriously, custodian troops are SO strong, I do not feel the need to buy haetaeron (or however you write it) guys or other even more elite dudes.

Troops are strong enough and can secure objectives.

God I wish moritats werent shit, these models are so good

>>52462213
My Sentinels have a Solerite Gauntlet on the Vexilla and my Het have 2 in them as well to offset Paragon Blades. I feel every Sentinel Squad needs at least one gauntlet.

>>52462218
I mostly agree with this and do just about the same. Hetaeron are great CC monsters but become point sinks harder than most.

Now that I'll have a stupid amount of Saggitarum, and despite the fact that their rules aren't that great, I'll use them to tear new assholes into chunky enemy units or vehicles before someone else charges in. I imagine they synergize well with a Galatus or Achillus about to charge in.

>>52461742
If you wanted to go footslogging, there's a list idea I've been playing around in my head. Similar to your list, but aping some Mecanicum traits.
>Drop the terminators (unless you DS them), the vets, and the rhino breachers
>Give the Deredeo a Pavise
>Take apothecaries for your blobs
>take a praevian with tank hunter darkfire castellax
I've been thinking about this for a 3000 point build though, and I don't have the models so I've not played it, but mathematically and thematically it might work, unless the enemy goes all-out with plasma and/or vehicles. The "core" footslogging horde might not work without ~600 points of vehicular/artillery support though, or deep-striking terminators.

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>>52462169
Gnarly.
>>52462197
Thats a lot of golden dudes, but havent you been blasted apart by pie-plates of doom, glaives and other shenanigans at that level?

>>52462214
Tank tribune, you do not mean the grossly incandescent lord of cheese tribune...do you?

>>52462217
Yeah, I wish I was better with modelling stuff...I still feel uncomfortable with resin and even more so green stuff.

>>52462217
I'm building off the Calth set, so I really want to use Cataphractii. Trying to stick with the siege/fortifcation theme with the armor, but not really sure what to do instead. Maybe drop the Vindicator for something? I like the slowly encroaching gunline idea and tried to gear the list toward it.

Everyone firing Bolt weapons at B5 was too good to pass up so I took plenty of bodies because I love Fists, but I'm getting conflicting opinions left and right.

Not sure where to go.

>>52462239
Whoever charges them sets himself up for a glorious counter charge..not to forget that they are not pushovers themselves either.

>>52462239
>I'll use them to tear new assholes into chunky enemy units or vehicles before someone else charges in. I imagine they synergize well with a Galatus or Achillus about to charge in.
why dont you just use them as guards with destructor spears? they seem much better, cheapter to boot

>>52462254
Pieplates like Vindicators worry me, so they die first if I can help it. I've lost 4 to a lucky Vindicator round before despite my 3" coherency, so it's a real eye opener. Making sure big pie plates die is a must.

Yeah, I ran it a few times and for friendlier games drop the Cyber Familiar or Shield; but if I'm seriously outnumbered or going to be bogged down he is worth every penny; watching him cut through a Terminator Command Squad and Abbadon by himself in a game was amazing.

>>52462227
It's a cool concept, but currently they're "Destroyer Prime", so failing at fulfilling the fluff of a whole other unit. Give them infiltrate, Sniper, outflank, and an FOTL that removes the cap and gives them a reroll to hit for one turn. And give them and Destroyers better bolt pistol ammunition.

>>52462268
This is a very tempting option and I really like the idea. I may give this a shot in a few days during my next game; however I really like the models and am willing to suffer a bit with their current rules to better figure them out.

So far they seem like whittlers, anti-tar pits, and command killers, and not much else. Softening up vehicles falls under whittlers, but not as much as I'd hope.

>>52462288
>however I really like the models
oh they are /GORGEOUS/ which is why i dont think anyone blaims you for buying them, i just think they will end up on the shelf, even if you really like them, unless you find a diffrent set of rules for them

Is the any other viable way to run SoH other than mass-Vets Orbital Assault?

>>52462357
Of course there are other ways, you just picked the cheesiest one to compare to.

I just wished vets werent that chewp, I really brgin to dislike mass bolter sniper spam.

>>52462256
>but I'm getting conflicting opinions left and right.
That applies to all 20-man footblobs except inductii. Thing is, if an enemy is equipped to take them down, they die fairly easy. Their strength lies in being a distraction unit that's cheap enough to lose, but numerous enough to take punishment and whittle the enemy down, and deny the enemy field control through their sheer numbers, taking up twice the space of a ten-man squad and presenting twice as many attacks.
On the attack, against enemies tougher than they are, they're disadvantaged, but in defensive positions, with cover saves, difficult terrain, and an apothecary's 5+ FNP, they can be frustrating.

Slowly encroaching gunline can work, but the terminators don't really gel with that, and both vindicators and contemptors are more like a quickly encroaching gunline, better for POTL+rhinos than footblobs.
I would definitely recommend apothecaries if you go for footblobs, no doubt about it, and consider taking vehicles more than specialist infantry to complement them.

>>52462357
Mass-vets Armoured Spearhead?
Tactical footblobs? It's unironically a buffed option for the SoH relative to other legions because of the close-range shooting bonus and the melee thing.

>>52462387
Yeah, I really like Reavers but there's no reason to use them now.

>>52461344
Too 40k for me. Well painted though

I can't decide if my list should be 2000 or 2500 points. What's more common?

I mean I can cut somethings like my boxnought. But I love those.

>>52462151
Dreads or speeders with graviton guns, meltabombs, chainfists, or just getting in the side with lascannons on mobile platforms.

Saboteur + relic trick doesn't work. And against anything that isn't a superheavy an immobilized resut is usually also good enough, which makes it a 1/3 chance to fuck up a vehicle (1/2 with Dynat)

>>52462470
What is more common in your meta? Some people regularly play 2500 - 3500 point games while others limit theirs to 1750.

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>>52462470
>not having so much shit you can play anywhere from 500-10,000

>>52462470
>Not relentlessly buying shit untill you can field an entire legion

Do you even warhammer bruh ?

>>52462502
>not just buying BaC OR BoP and playing the well designed board game

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Decided to replace weak floppy resin barrels with strong reliable brass ones. Also staggered the length because why not.

>>52462557
What the fuck have you done resin is better material than everything else always you fucking poorfag REEEEEEEEEEE

>t.Resin_elitists

>>52462470
>>52462502
>>52462528

I like to have a end goal. I guess I will aim for 2500 and then have some lower point variants.

>>52462557
As much as I don't like that design I think this is bad ass.

>>52462557
I think it would look better if the top barrels were the longer ones.

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>>52462470
Well, if your opponents have MORE points, they'll almost certainly be able to play at whichever you're more comfortable with.

>>52462557
Not bad. It seems an elegant solution. Not personally a fan of the staggered barrels, but it definitely individuates the model. Let me guess... World Eater?

The missile launcher looks sexy too, though personally I think the pavise fits my gameplay better.

>>52462608
it's DG you retard.

>>52462722
>you retard.
Why so rude, anon?

I didn't even look at the background.

>>52462789
Not that guy but if you didn't look at the background what even made you think they were World Eaters?

>>52462109
The Emperor have been round the Emperor for quite longer and he got to know them and value them.

The Primarchs are just tools to him. This will be shown to you during the final battle.

>>52462557
Looks nice anon, not an improvement over the original, but still nice. Gives it a unique twist and you wont have to worry about bendy-breaky stuff.

>>52462804
>what even made you think they were World Eaters?
I like to guess based on how people pose and convert their models. I think it says something about them.

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>>52460988

£60 for the Siege Tyrants? China it is. Fuck that noise. £40 and that would have been £40 going to FW.

Geedubs have started reigning in the pricing, but apparently Kev didn't send the memo to FW.

>>52462839
Where do the shoulderpad and legs come from on the sergeant?

>>52462898

Anvil Industries. Cyborg legs and (I think) Legionairre Shoulderpads.

>>52462908
Thanks. The legs are surprisingly good.

>>52462805
Good afternoon Carnac

>>52462357
I ran the Long March when I played them and that works pretty well, especially since your heavy support squad can move around in your deployment zone.

>>52462972
What was your list like?

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>>52462839
>mould line on the combi-melta muzzle

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Took the plunge and bought Russ from Miranda Irene for £20. Will he be any good or an obvious China cast? Pic related is photo ok her website.

>>52463061
I've bought only one thing from them (because fuck paying some £60+ for just one piece I wanted) and even that was a long time ago, but it was ok.

>>52463061
>obvious China cast
I mean if the cast is reasonable and you have painted it who will be able to tell?

>>52463105
What's the giveaway?

>>52463125
What giveaway, that's the point?

If the cast isn't totally shite and you have painted it how will it be an obvious China cast?

>>52463125
Colour of the resin is probably the most obvious. From what I can tell, FW resin is light grey. Chinamen use anything from dark grey to yellow.

>>52463044
I always had 2 15 man tac squads and at least a 5 man Justaerin unit along with a heavy support squad usually with lascannons that could walk around in the deployment zone and pop vehicles, aside from that I always tried to change the list up in some way between games.

>>52463125
Not the same anon, but probably that that photo is the exact one Miranda Irene has up on her site.

>>52463061
Oooh, do you have to be extra carefull to not get poisoned?

>>52461281
C A P E S
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>>52463293
I dunno I've heard the resin they use is extra cancerous or some shit so I'll use a powder mask but I don't plan to saw it down much etc so shouldn't make much powder.

>>52463293
It basically comes with free cancer :^)

jk, practically the same case of you don't want to breathe in the dust

>>52463156
So after I've painted it it should be impossible? Result. Might send the pic to #paintingforgeworld and see if I can fool them.

>>52461281
Monocles.

When your primary detachment's RoW has deployment restriction (like, all of your units has to have DS or DT or whatever), does that restiction also applies to your allied detachment?

>>52463083
Ye exactly this was £20 delivered compared to £80. No brainer

>>52463061
Did not know this page existed! Thanks Anon <3

>>52460960
Where are the hatches on these? Just behind the bow-gun?

>>52460960
How big are those?

>>52463432
I haven't got it yet it may be completely useless but Reddit seems to think she has the highest quality out of all recasters... enjoy

>>52463449
Like on chimera.

Ok, how much bigger is Dreadclaw than Drop Pod? It's so fucking expensive I might need to convert one from DP.

>>52463495
Same size, it's just the claws that stick out. It even uses the plastic drop pod kit

>>52463495
Same size. I don't have a picture of it but a friend of mine converted his drop pod into one just by flipping the fins upside down.

>>52463358
>>52463360
Thanks guys, this would really help me.
I actually bought more than 200 pound of books from FW but never ar esin mini yet because I am afraid of their high prices for individual foot sloggers.

This particular china-man might actually help me...would still buy stuff on FW..but their prices for foot-slogging marines annoys me.

hey anons, looking for ideas to convert myrmidons out of and specifically looking for something to use for the bodies, I figure I might be able to snatch up some necron close combat arms. so basically looking for some big dudes (4u) that I can sculpt some robes and maybe some plates on. kinda shitty at sculpting so some EZmode would be nice.

>>52463916
Immortals are big, as are lych guard. with a bit of work they could make fine lads. you would needs some servo arms though

Does DP, Dreadclaw, Dreadnought DP, etc all count toward DP Assault 1/2 threshold?

>>52460988
>blood angel moritat
>not using inferno pistols
>literally the only decent way to run moritats anymore

>>52461344
You need to put some cummy in his tummy.

>>52464176
>he dosent know about alpha legion volkite/primarch combo
he almost always lands 12 hits, which then deflag, its the best

>>52464213
or in the rare case you play with relic a AL moritat with drakinia or whatever their relic is called.

>>52464228
> Saboteur with Combat Augment Array

>>52464228
the pistol is pretty shitty ap 4 posions vs str 5 deflag

>>52464253
Does that even work? I thought the sabotage happens before the game starts. You wouldn't be able to activate the combat array yet.

>>52464253
>>52464285
Doesn't work, since "a unit cannot charge, or use any abilities or special rules that must be used at the start of the turn, in the turn it arrives from Reserves."

And the AP2 pen happens when the Saboteur arrives from reserves.

Bad and terrible 3k point Sons of Horus dark compliance list. The list started with "I can put ogryns in an assault transport?"

This list would get rolled by superheavies or really any kind of tank or dreadnought spam but it'd look great on the table while it did it.

HQ:
Praetor with jump pack, paragon blade, volkite charger, iron halo

5x jump pack command squad. 1 power fist, 4 power swords, 4 volkite chargers

Force Commander with bolt pistol, power axe, cyber-familiar, carapace armor, Survivors of a Dark Age, Alchem-Jackers

Elites:
Apothecarian detachment
1 with jump pack and volkite charger
1 with artificer armor and combi-melta

Veteran tactical squad. 8 marines with 6 combi meltas, plus sergeant with combi melta, artificer armor, power fist. Rhino with multimelta. Marksmen.

Ogryn squad. 8 ogryns with 5 power axes and 3 boarding shields, carapace armor, frenzon

Medicae detachment, 3 medics

Troops:
20 grenadiers with lasrifles and 2 rotor cannons, advanced weapons

20 grenadiers with lasrifles and 2 rotor cannons, advanced weapons

Fire support squad, 5 missile launchers

Heavy support:
Spartan with flare shield and armored ceramite
Deredeo with missile launcher
2x vanilla leman russes

Fortification:
Aegis defense line

>>52462839
Superb iron warriors

>>52464496
I feel like the militia heavies should use flamers over MLs. Compensate for poor accuracy.

>>52465463
Flamers don't do much if they don't have a transport. I'd go with autocannons, though.

>>52465504
Yeah, I just happen to have 5 missile launcher teams from my old guard I never managed to sell off. Autocannons would be better if I feel like buying some. But as you can tell by the rotor cannons, this isn't the most optimized list.

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>>52463061
I've got a lot of battlefleet gothic from him, it is China quality but it's ok for what you pay for.

Sorry for phone potato quality

>>52462217
>make HS squads non-comp troops, give relentless and stubborn in deployment zone, and some kind of fortificiation/cover bonus too.
What is this... reverse pain glove?

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>>52463471
Fucking huge

>>52466141
But like length, width and height.

>>52466217
Just measured it.

L: 9.1"
W: 5"
H (no base/stand and from lowest to tallest part): 3.7"

>>52466141

Awesome.

Shame their shooting is unimpressive and without assault vehicle you're better off just deep striking or infiltrating, but hey.

>>52466141

Hmm

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Would one of those, plus a Pallas stuck out front and connected to lengthen it a bit, plus a Warlord Titan arm make a good Grav-Ordinatus?

>>52466341
No.

>>52466310
Thanks.

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>>52466341
Wouldn't look very Ordinatus-y, unless you blinged it up Admech style and removed all the eagles, but would probably be about right lengthwise even if it would look a tad shit.

On a slightly different not, I found some cheap as chips smaller whales who can easily be chopped and greenstuffed into the living gasbags for the Manta. Would probably need four or six, though.

>>52466314
They make for a good gunboat like a Razorback, plus seriously help deflect founds from a squad. They have their uses, but protecting a squad during deep strike is what they do best.

>>52466310
That thing might as well be a super-heavy.

How does a Porphyron stand up to a Warhound in terms of size?

>>52466649
I think they're about the same height but I can't find the comparison picture

>>52461947
That one is, in fact, the sergeant. You can see he has the Omniscope
He's decimating his own equipment, you see.

>>52462046
>>Medusa
>I don't own one and did fine even in 5-6k point games
How? I don't want to fall for the Medusa Meme

>>52466911
They are effective, but you also have vindicators that are basically the same thing minus barrage, and several other AP2 weapons can be just as effective.

Most of the things you need a medusa to ID are slow as fuck when slogged, so kill the transport (grav, haywire, chainfists, etc) and they become a mop-up problem

>>52466964
That only makes me want to bring Medusae AND Vindicators.

Are the batreps on youtube representative of the usual games of Heresy? They all seem to be the same list - Spartan, Primarch, termies, tacs in Rhinos, Scorpius, Quad-mortars, a couple Legion-specifics and then one or two Leviathan dreads, or the Admech bring Castellax, Thallax, Magos Dominus and a Triaros with something in, and that's it. Only seen one guy with an OR list, who took apart the Rhino AL he was fighting after Alpharius RAN INTO GRAVIDONS with just Dynat in his unit.
Best game has to be that guy Mitch who brought cultist blobs and actually varied shit, but he was against Mortar Ironfire so it ended quickly.
Why does everyone have a Spartan and two Leviathans, and then rely on ShatterShells for AV?

>>52466412
>Smaller whales as living gasbags
>"Anon, are you afraid of god?"
>"No. But I'm afraid of you"

>>52467062
Same reason each shop has a local meta, the things you take are heavily influenced by your tastes and the opinions of those you play against. Spartans are common because they are exceptionally hard to crack, and have the capacity to carry death star-style units. Many legions in the batreps also have RoW that emphasize that style of play.

For myself I use bodies-heavy RG and mechanicum allies. And focus on multi-role counters to those common threats (vultarax. Deredeo, infiltrating/outflanking veterans to remove mortars)

>>52466412
Jesus Christ, pull the trigger on your whale shit or fuck off reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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>>52461366
>no bolt pistol version

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>>52467373
>No Revolver Moritat
One fucking job

>>52467403
Implying that's not what kaedes nex is with his twin hand cannons and turbo-infiltrate

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>>52467431
It's a way of seeing it, yeah.
Do you thing normal Moritats will get updated rules, so their models can be something other than shelf material?

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>>52467403

>SIX SHITS JAKE

>>52467485
I fucking hope so, even the current rules for kaedes are kinda garbage, I was going to make a revolver ocelot conversion for him but with how turbo-ass the moritat rules are in general, it's not worth the effort currently.

If his guns were higher str or AP3 he might be useful, but fishing for rends that can still be 'look out sir'd' even with precision shot makes it useless AF

>>52467403
http://anvilindustry.co.uk/The-Armoury/Rifles-Shotguns-Pistols/Revolver

Now the 12 shot limit makes sense.

>>52464213
Combo doesn't work anyway, moritat can't benefit from any external buff whatsoever

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>>52467557
Nice bits

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>>52467217
>Tfw no Bioshock game set in Dune universe but all the sandworms are cyber-whales...

Replaying the first game at the moment, forgot how atmospheric it was even if I can't resist the temptation to hack everything and then be sad when my pet drones die.

If everything doesn't get too dead-stopped by me moving house in a week or so, I'll do a full-size outline just to get a better idea of the dimensions and how to build the balsa frame.
This is one of those projects where you relegate it to the"pipe dreams" box until you realise there's no reason to not try at least.

>>52467229

Filter"Whale", "Filiketos" and possibly "Manta" and you're good.

>>52467848
>Hack everything and be sad when they explode
Heh, yeah that's how I play it, along with full scavenger/collectionist/squirrel mode.
Don't use the wrench. The game becomes far too easy if you use it, and that's boring

>>52468110
I started off going all "right, survival creepy game, conserve ammo" then I pulled off a beautiful pistol headshot and decided to Ciaphas Cain my my way through the rest. Such a nice gun. Didn't know the wrench was powerful, though. Always took a coupletoo many whacks for comfort.

>>52468359
With the right combination, the wrench kills even spoider splicers in one hit, and can stunlock big daddies.
It's a fucking joakero pocket thunder hammer

>>52462031
He means he is a heretic.
Dorn would never say something like this.

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Regarding number 4, are official Deathshroud models illegal? Should they be modeled from Indomitus suits or something?

>>52469592
Disregard interns, acquire resin.

Hey there

I want to start building a Solar Auxilia army. What is better for first troops ? I know that lasrifle section is the go-to but the idea of running 5HP Demolisher filled with volkite stormtrooper seems to be fun too.

What do you advise ?

>TFW your Custode footsloogwr collection is mildly amusing
>20 Spears
>10 Sword/Shield
>10 Saggitarum

The second those jet bikes come out Im fucked as I buy 10. Same for the Terminators and if they release a Hetaeron upgrade sprue

>>52462839
> decently painted IW
> on /hhg/
What... what ARE you...

>>52469865
>I am bitterness
>I am the iron within!
>I am Ironman!
[Black Sabbath intensifies]

Do you ever use mixed Combi-Xs in one squad? If so, in what ratio? I heard plasmas are the best but...

>>52471031
You never want to do that. Combis are one shot, meaning that you need them to count. You want to take less combis maybe, but you don't want to mix

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how long do you guys usually leave forgeworld resin in warm water for. iv been doing it for 15minutes. thinking not long enough

How do you guys model your Hetaeron? I want to make mine stand out beyond just a different color shoulder pauldron.

>>52471182
We'll are you cleaning it or reshaping it? For reshaping just heat it as much as you need.

For cleaning, it should be soaking with a dish soap and water blend that you scrub off with a toothbrush.

>>52464213
That was one of the first things that got nerfed after FW found out what people were doing with dual plasma moritat + Alpharius combo.

>>52471221
>>52471182
for cleaning, i have been let them soak in warm soapy water for 15minutes then using a toothbrush to scrub them down, but in a certain light they seems shiny still.

not sure if i need to let them soak more

Some friendly advice, It's been five or six days since I started soaking my models in super clean, if you have any aspirations of using the Artificer tints be prepared in the future for any attempts at stripping the models to be delayed significantly.

While perhaps a little over a fourth of the models have been stripped down to the primer, the other theee fourths have damnably stubborn segments of the second coat left on them.

Solar Auxilia can't take Minotaurs as a Lord of War, right? That's kind of a shame, if so. My friend really likes artillery and I would've liked to give him one as a present.

>>52471575
>Artificer tints
Not really worth it unfortunately.

>>52471914
I enjoy them, they have some cool potential for unique effects.

Is there any way to get a Knight, if I'm running the Ravenwing Protocol right of war? I love muh bikes, but need an excuse to buy a lancer.

>>52469592
Fuck I hate that answer

>>52462608
Nah, Death Guard. I wanted to lose the ammo feeds as well but I couldn't come up with ammo drums I liked.

The Pavise is good in concept but given that it only buffs *models* within 3" I find it difficult to use effectively. The Aiolos gives no shits and lets me hit anything within 60" at any time.

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Did Malcador's Chosen take to the battlefield often? What I can read, they were his bodyguard and guarded relics.

I sort of want to make a small Militia detachment to go with my Talons and model them after the Chosen. Maybe throw a Knight-Errant into the force as well for maximum Imperial task force.

So after a scan through possible allied detachments for my Mechanicum, I noticed you can just get 100 Levies with Fearless and Rending straight up. One, why would you NOT do that, and two, what are good models to use for horrible abominations of stabby rage, given they don't exactly suit the regular Cultists. Looking to give my Mechanicum some more bodies on the board, these are perfect.

>>52472215
There are Relic hunt missions. You could use those. HH4's citifight missions are replete with important objectives an elite guard would be tasked to hold.
What's the list going to look like, Anon?

>>52471198
Anyone?

>>52472421

Gors.

>>52469592
Or just maybe the Deathshroud models aren't actually wearing Tartaros, but just terminator armour that happens to share similiarities.

>>52472498
You could give them capes, extra aquilas, wings, winglets on their elbows and knees like in those pics, halos, make them look regal, make them look angelic, etc.
Have done imagination, geez. I don't play Talons.
Hey, give them actual talons.

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>>52471198

Make them black. It's the colours of a sub-society within the Custodes.

And if actual Heraeron models come out later, you can repurpose these guys as just normal black Custodes from that society.

>>52472432
>What's the list going to look like, Anon?

Still formulating, but probably:
>Talons
-Shield Captain w/ fist, no shield
-Oblivion Knight-Centura w/ MC paragon blade
-Knight-Errant w/ jump pack & narthecium
-5 Hetero Guard w/ Paragon Spears
-10 Oblivion Knight Cadre w/ Emperor's Marital Aid
-5 Sentinels
-5 Custodians (modeled as bolter custodes with power bayonets)

>Militia
-Force Commander
-2 Engiseer Auxilia w/ 8 phased plasma-fusil servo-automatas
-20 lascarbine infantry squad w/ Gorgon
-6 lascannon fire support squad
-3 medusa w/ breacher shells

Thinking of maybe throwing a Knight in there as a LoW

So I got the garro series from the humble bundle and gave it a listen.

Man that custodes was a fucking chump.

>>52471198
Using regular spear Custodes while my lesser Custodes are gonna be a little trimmed down on the bling aspect. File down the breast plate decorations, give them a little plainer pads and use Siegmarine Liberator legs.

>>52472786
Which?

Read Master of Mankind. One gets most of his entire face ripped off and keeps fighting demons while looking like a bleeding skull.

He LIVES.

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Speaking of Custodes, how does a Hetaeron squad of 5 with Praesidium Shields, 2 Solerite Gauntlets, and 3 Paragon Blades sound?

>>52472971
In that short story the Custodes basically wants to nuke all incoming ships fleeing from the traitor attacks. Also acts extremely arrogant and dismissive to everybody, except the White Scars amongst the fled marines which he respects and trust because the WS involvement in a bloodgame once proved the honourable and blah blah Doesn't stop him from getting torn to fucking shreds by the WS that turn out to be traitors. Exactly what he deserved, man that custodes was a dick

>>52472971
The custodes in sword of truth. He loses in a duel with Garro, and later gets punked by some traitor white scars and dies.

>>52469669
>bump

>>52473070
Master of Mankind basically sets it that all Custodes are colossal dicks.

They even look down on the Primarchs.

>>52473132
I suddenly don't feel that bad anymore about wiping the custodes entirely before turn 4 last (and first) time I played against custodes.

As it turns out Seekers chew through the golden bananaboys like it is nobody's business with Scorpius rounds. Maybe taking 10 of them and 9 plasmagun support marines with MoS was a little bit overkill sub 1500 points ...

>>52473132
I mean, I read it and they were massive assholes, but does looking down on the Primarchs really make you a dick by default? They were a bunch of useless fuck-ups who couldn't do their damned jobs over half the time, which was plainly obvious at that point. I don't particularly like Custodes, Primarchs or the Emprah much, but they're kind of right there.

>>52473260
No, those are all valid reasons for not admiring the Primarchs.

Custodes actively shit on them simply because they're not Custodes, because Custodes are the Emprah's favoretest favorites and Primarchs are just disposable weapons.

They literally act like spoilt children when it comes to every other Imperial institution and throw their weight around just because they can.

The closest analogy I can think of is; if you've ever worked anywhere where the company's owner employs his girlfriend, who proceeds to queen bee over everyone else and treat everyone like servants, because if anyone talks back, she can whisper in the boss' ear and get them fired.

That's the Custodes in Master of Mankind.

>>52473260
MoM does so much primarch bashing you'd almost start to think there actually never was a good reason to make the primarchs.

>>52460903
>IW and IF bury their love under a deep cover of hate
...is that a ship I smell?

How do you think it would've gone if the emperor had briefed the primarchs on the warp in any way before sending them out into the galaxy with fleets and hundreds of thousands of marines and no oversight

>>52473407
Probably a lot better. The Emperor basically told the primarchs that water is dangerous, but failed to tell them that the river they have to swim through to get anywhere is chuck full of agressive killer crocodiles.

>>52461947
All those missiles would hit he ground as it is. Clearly he'll arch his back to fire

>>52473407
He did brief them on the warp and 'warp creatures'. Horus knew about daemons during the Great Crusade, even if he didn't call them that.

The Emperor just didn't tell them about the Chaos gods and how they were actively trying to turn humanity into a goatse reference, because it would have contradicted his whole 'there are no gods, euphoria ftw' message.

Stormlord any good for Custodes as an Assault Transport?

>>52473518
It'll probably go down easier than a Spartan would, but it's the best you can get.

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>>52473407
The Interex probably wouldn't have ended up declaring war on the Imperium for a start, so more DAoT tech for the Imperium eventually, provided they could suppress their huge warboner and actually negotiate a deal similar to the Terra-Mars treaty.

>>52473518
Mastodon is superior I would argue, but has the problem of being hard to field in a reasonable game size.

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Anyone know if there's an animal hood / cloak for marine size like this?

How are baneblades for militia?

They lave less HP than fellblades, and after you add on sponsons (which fellblades get for free) cost 110 more points. But that cannon is so nice.

After sponsons though you're a little over 100 points shy of a warhound.

>>52473570
I don't think Custodes can have them.

>>52473606
they can take stormbirds from the legions, no reason to see they wouldn't be able to pinch a mastodon or two as well.

>>52473606
What superheavies can custodes actually use ? They have none of their own and I don't remember reading a "superheavies talons of the Emperor" rule ...

>>52473490
Not to mention that some of them (Yeah, lookin at you Lorgar) would probably get the wrong idea pretty easily.

Or maybe he tested with that on the two wiped out legions? Who knows.

>>52466314
>their shooting is unimpressive
wait, what? it's not bad at all.

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>>52473381
Ship their legions so hard their primarchs became a single one. Dornturabo

>>52473049
if the misericordia turns out to be a melee weapon you might want to skip shields on the power fist guys (since they'd gain +1A), but otherwise yeah it works

assuming you're putting the tribune in with them, right? so they'd be fearless anyway and not need a banner

>>52473683
The best at fortification, the worst at social

>>52473638
I always assumed the destroyed Primarchs had somehow gained knowledge of Chaos prior to the Emperor getting to them.

Not neccesarily fallen to Chaos, but maybe wouldn't agree to keep quiet about it.

>>52473717
also possible they landed in a xenos-dominated world and were raised by/adopted into alien culture. the great crusade was largely about pushing back alien dominion of human worlds so the idea of a primarch adopting the culture of the alien would be punishable by death

Alright /hhg/. what particular units or unit/IC combos do you like to field regardless of their on-paper efficiency or points expense? either because of fluff or personal taste.

I'll start with mine, relatively recent addition to my force but I can see them being fielded a lot in fun games just for the shock factor:

Praetor, artificer, halo, paragon blade, plaspistol, bolter
Siege Breaker, artificer, Raven's Talons, Boarding Shield, Plaspistol, 2 phosphex bombs
Apothecary, artificer, combiplas
Destroyer Sergeant, artificer, Power Fist, 2 phosphex bombs
Destroyers, Rad Launcher, Rhino w/ multi-melta

XIX Legion, so infiltrating close to enemy lines, move and disembark before unloading a lot of AP2/AP3 into a high value target, combination of counter-attack, defensive grenades and AP at init makes charging it a very bad option despite proximity, and cover/artificer render most shooting survivable.

It costs a fuckload of points though, and isn't even remotely efficient. The conversions are all in Mk III and I like to think of them as bitter but loyal OG terran vets.

>>52473631
>they can take stormbirds from the legions

Where does this read?

>>52473634
Legion Army List, for one, contains rules for Lord of War, regardless of the army using them. It's basically:
>Primarch of the primary detachment (so only Marines)
>Engine of Destruction, a single 9+ HP super-heavy either from the primary detachment army list, Mechanicum Taghmata Titans list or from a list of super-heavies that'll follow.
>War Machine Detachment, 1-2 super-heavies of 8 HP or less, chosen from the primary detachment army list, Questoris Knight army list, Crusade Imperialis army list, or from a list of super-heavies that'll follow.
>Great Beast, single gargantuan creature of 9 or more wounds, chosen from the primary detachment army list.
>Monstrous Horde, 1-2 gargantuan creatures of 8 wounds or less, of the same type, chosen from the primary detachment army list.
>Sub-orbital Strike Wing, 1-3 flyers of 3 HP or less, from a list of flyers that'll follow.
>Mighty Fortification, a fortification costing 500pts. or more, or armed with a Destroyer weapon.

List of super-heavies and flyers:
>Baneblade, Banehammer, Stormlord, Shadowsword, Stormsword
>Macharius and variants (representing indigenous war
machines)
>Crassus and variants (representing indigenous war machines)
>Marauder Bomber, Marauder Destroyer, Thunderbolt Heavy Fighter, Crusade Avenger Strike Fighter (see Mechanicum Taghmata army list)
>Minotaur (see Taghmata Omnissiah army list)

>>52473728
>RG
>Terran vets
Uh, dude...

>>52473768
most were lost at gate 42, but not all, and not all were traitors or send on predation fleets either.

case in point: commander of the Hawks post ravendelve was soukohnou (I can never spell it right but should be close), who was a terran veteran that was both a loyalist and embraced the changes that came to the legion with corax.

>>52473727
Yeah, I can imagine a compliance force stumbling across a super-human version of Captain Kirk with a harem of qt xenos and throwing a shit-fit.

>>52473727
From what we know, they already had their legions by the time they were removed.

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Has anyone made a Rainbow Warriors legion army?

>>52473831
Dude ... they're a successive chapter of the UM. Though maybe it could be done as some kind of troll to piss off a local 30k group.

>>52462557

Now I'm going to do the same with mine. Thanks for the tip anon.

>>52473728
Anon, you do know the only characters that can be assigned to Destroyer squads are Moritats, right? No Praetors, no Siege breakers and no apothecaries.

>>52473879
Tangential question: how well developed were chapters? Did any of them use alternate icons compared to the legion ones?

>>52473407

It really depends on how each individual primarch would have handled the knowledge of actual Chaos gods. I'm sure some of them would question the mission of the Great Crusade in the shadow of a seemingly indestructible force of nature, while others would seek out the Chaos gods for themselves. More importantly, would they be willing to trust the word of the most powerful tyrant in the galaxy on the matter?

Almost every Primarch grew up in the shadow of tyranny and had to rise up against it out of a need for justice or survival. The Great Crusade's goal in bringing freedom and enlightenment back to what was once doomed to eternal suffering resonated with almost all of them. It was ultimately a simpler reality to digest.

Even now, many of the surviving traitors from m32 still believe they are fighting a revolution as defenders of universal truth and liberators fighting the ultimate tyranny.

>>52473917
and this is why I can't have nice things. I checked pretty much everything else, and forgot that sidebar, I will take consolation in the fact that they're all useful elsewhere in my lists, and still look good as a group on display. Will probably make a moritat for them when I can get a volkite serpenta.

>>52473918
I think just some different small icons here or there, maybe some fancy hieraldy on the free shoulderpad, but certainly not replacing the legion icon yet.

>>52473879
>Dude ... they're a successive chapter of the UM

He's clearly playing Rogue Trader mode, where he uses the RT main rulebook to play his 30K games.

>>52474084
Didn't the UM legion get entirely replaced with a new legion with the same name because they went traitor or something in rogue trader ?

>>52473325
That's so wrong it hurts and that's a lot of assumptions.

The Custodes rarely felt they were above others; just a few did because arrogance is a trait not belonging to everyone.

What they did feel, is that they were an extension of the emperors will, not that they were above others. Primarchs are beneath his will and therefore beneath theirs.

It should be noted that many saw Primarchs as good leaders or friends; Valdor being close friends with Dorn and Khan.

It's easy to confuse arrogance with dutifulness.

>>52472215
I'm working on an "Emperor's Retribution" force

>Leman Russ
>x50 Space Wolves and 1 Dreadnought, Land Raider, 3 Rhinos, Spartan, 6 Jetbikers, and Fellblade
>x10 Knights-Errant including a Librarian, will get a plastic Thunderhawk for them whenever it comes out
>x30 40k Scions as Malcador's Chosen, all in Valkyries
>x10 Custodes and Dreadnought with Caladius and Coronus
>x10 Sisters of Silence with Rhino
>All 5 Temples of Assassins

It's shit/not usable on the table but fluffy. I want a Malcador mini next, right now the best I got is converting the old Astropath Mini.

I want to eventually introduce Ordo Sinister Psi-Titans but fuck that shit is expensive and hard to put together.

Can imperial militia take the lord of war options at the beginning of the age of darkness army list? Machariuses and baneblades and etc

Just wondering, because it has baneblade as a specific lord of war choice even though it's in the generic list.

>>52474186
>mfw RT UM were literally the DA

Instead of calling them Fallen they'd call them the Plebeians.

>>52474255
No, but that book is enough of a clusterfuck that maybe yes.

>>52474296
Fitting, considering UM are for plebs :^)

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>>52473918
Developed enough.

>>52474310
But Ultras are the patrician Legion.

>>52474374

Only the loyal, Unplebeian half who hunt the Plebeians from their mobile fortress-monestary: the Rome.

>>52474304
Yeah, I mean the age of darkness section gives the generic FoC and rules for everything, so I'd assume the lord of war section applies too. But if not, that's unfortunate. I was wanting to run a detachment of 2 macharius vanquishers instead of a baneblade.

>>52474431
It's probably fine. No one is going I care enough to stop you from using Machariuses, because you COULD be spamming Malcador Infernuses.

>>52474430
Dark Angels are also for plebs

>>52474452
Well to be fair, I could be spamming macharius vulcans.

>>52473918
Several examples of Chapters that would become Successors using either their exact future badge, or an early form of it, as their unit insignia. A few have elements of the future colours creeping in.
Most notably (and I think uniquely), the future first Chapter Master of the Novamarines is walking about in their quartered colours and wearing their insignia alongside his UM one. He gets away with it because he's a Big Damn Hero.

>>52474485
Those are a LoW slot, and arguably less efficient than chem Infernus at wood chipping marines.

>>52474525
It's an LoW slot, but superheavies with less than 8 HP can come in pairs. So in a 3250 point game or higher you could take 2 of them. You could take 3 malcador infernuses for the points, but there's something special about 60 vulcan mega bolter shots.

>>52474629
It is indeed a lotta dakka.

Do keep in mind that the Infernus uses the hell storm template and can Torrent; large blast + small blast + flame template + AP 3 = ded. Very ded. Even Vulkan fears this fire.

>>52474629
So you could take two Knights for one slot?

Or one Atrapos since it has 8?

>>52474768
Two Atrapos, it's actually superheavies that are under 9.

>>52474768
Two knights could just form their own QKC.

>>52474853
That would use your allied detachment.

So you have the option of taking 2 knights and leaving your allies free, or allying 2 knights and leaving your lord of war free.

>>52474853
Yeah but sometimes you just want to max out your own FOC before you take allies.

>>52474898
Currently being a filthy mobileposter, but I thought it didn't take the place of the "allied detachment," it was instead its own detachment.

What would be more fun and balanced?

A Reaver loaded with D weaponry or enough Knights loaded to the brim for the same cost?

I'm tempted to buy two Warhounds or a Reaver, but I'm worried about playing them often because or stigmas.

>>52474950
It's really not fair to take titans against people who aren't ready for them. Knights at least can sort of be played around by a TAC list.

Looking at the lord of war table, a banehammer might be a good replacement for the shitty gorgon.

Can carry 8 ogryns inside, and it's got an S8 Ap3 7 inch blast gun. Still not an assault transport though, the only way to get ogryns in an assault transport that I've found is putting them in a spartan in a dark compliance list. Or in one of the marine LoW transports.

>>52475095
Stormlord.

>>52475095
all open topped vehicles are assault vehicles, including the stormlord.

Anyone run Militia as their primary army?

Ah, didn't realize the stormlord counted as open topped. That's the only open topped vehicle available then, since the gorgon isn't.

I can fit all 10 ogryns into a stormlord, though that's going to cost me about 1100 points before putting sponsons on the stormlord. Might be worth it to go with my spartan plan, that comes in at about 900 and the flare shield helps a lot.

Ok, how's this for a Malcador's Special Task Force army?

PRIMARY DETACHMENT (Talons of the Emperor):
HQ:
>Shield Captain:
-Tribune, Digital Lasers, Cyber-Familiar, Teleportation Transponder, Solarite Power Gauntlet, Archaotech Pistol
=275pts.

>Oblivion Knight-Centura:
-Paragon Blade
= 95pts.

>Knight-Errant:
-Jump Pack, Narthecium
= 150pts.

ELITE:
>Hetaeron Guard (5x):
-5x Paragon Spear, 5x Teleportation Transponder
= 450pts.

>Oblivion Knight Cadre (10x):
-Kharon Acquisitor
= 275pts.

Contemptor-Achillus Dreadnought:
= 200pts.

TROOPS:
>Sentinel Guard (5x):
-Teleportation Transponder
= 335pts.

>Custodian Guard (5x):
= 275pts.

LORDS OF WAR:
>Questoris Knight Palatin:
-Bio-Corrosive Ammo, Questoris Battle Cannon, Stormspear Rocket Pod
= 425pts.

ALLIED DETACHMENT (Militia as Malcador's Chosen):
HQ:
>Force Commander:
-Bolt Pistol, Augmented Weapon, Iron Halo, Cyber-Familiar
= 80pts.

ELITE:
>Enginseer Auxilia:
-2x Adept, 2x Refractor Field
-8x Servo-Automata, 8x Phased Plasma-Fusil
= 205pts.

TROOPS:
>Infantry Squad:
-Vexilla, Lascarbines
-Sergeant, Power Sword
-Gorgon, 2x TL Autocannon, 4x Heavy Bolter
= 375pts.

>Fire Support Squad (5x):
-5x Lascannon
= 150pts.

HEAVY:
>Auxilia Heavy Ordnance Batter (2x):
-2x Breacher Shells
= 210pts.


Total of 3500pts.

>>52474961
Isn't a warhound just a big knight nowadays?

Pulling the trigger on a Warhound.

Probably gonna go Dual Turbo Laser and a Plasma Blastgun.

Thoughts?

>>52475229
No. Warhound still has a lot of hull points, 2 void shields, and can pack up to 4 str. D large blasts. Even the biggest knight has, what, 4 str. 10 large blasts, less hull points and an inv. save?

>>52475245
Yeah, what do you mean by "pulling the trigger"?

>>52475262
He means he's Purchasing one

>>52475229
Much tougher to take down.

>>52475245
Pretty strong. Vulcan mega-bolter is always an option, since it allows engaging aerial targets, even if it's just BS1. Blasts can't target flyers.

If you had the option would you rather buy two Warhounds or a Reaver?

>>52475330
Two Warhounds, then use one as the base for the other.

>>52475278

>purchasing $1000 worth of resin based on the advice of /tg/

>>52475299
they can if they're skyfire, which is why an arbalester errant with thermal cannon can be very entertaining.

>>52474460

Then what would you consider patricians? And please don't dare to claim it's the Night Lords. They're a band of cackling murderers. That's the opposite of Patrician.

Terrible bad militia list with a stormlord:

3000 pts

Force Commander
Power axe, carapace, cyber familiar, planetary overlord (Always picking the +1 AP trait to give to the missile launcher squad)
Alchem Jackers, Survivors of a Dark Age

Elites:
10 ogryns, 7 power axes, 3 boarding shields, carapace, frenzon

3 medics

Troops:
20 grenadiers with lasrifles, rotor cannons, advanced weapons

20 grenadiers with lasrifles, rotor cannons, advanced weapons

10 grenadiers with bolters
Land raider proteus with triple TL lascannons, multimelta, armored ceramite, extra armor

10x missile launcher fire support squad

Heavy support:

2x rapier laser destroyers
3x vanilla leman russ squadron

Lord of War: Stormlord with sponson upgrades

Fortification: Aegis with quad gun

>>52475531
Imperial Fists

>>52475392
I'm purchasing one because I want one.

>>52475635
You will die in horrible agony, but you will die gloriously throwing your retarded beast men at the superhuman fucks who think they're better than you.

Godspeed.

>>52475436
>"Template and Blast weapons, and any other attacks that don’t roll To Hit, cannot hit Zooming Flyers."

>>52475831
This is 1000% the goal.

Big dumb ogryns getting 42 S7 power axe attacks on the charge, and won't be ID'd by enemy power fists. As soon as they run into a melee dreadnought they're super fucked though, they need 6s to glance AV13, and S10 will ID them.

They will all die but they will do so gloriously. And they can take a shitton of shooting and non-power weapon melee with T5 W3 3+.

If they get the charge in, they can actually do okay against some primarchs. Against fulgrim for example, 10 hammer of wrath attacks causing 2 armor saves, then fulgrim gets his 5 swings (ideally on boarding shield ogryns), 3 of which hit and cause about 2 wounds, with a 5+ invuln save. Then the ogryns attack back with 15 S5 swings causing another 3 armor saves, and 42 S7 AP2 swings causing 9 invulnerable saves. If there's any kind of bodyguard with him, they'll get crumpled by all those S7 power axes pretty quickly. They only get rage for the one turn, but they've still got 4 attacks each after that.

Their real weakness is anything that can put S10 or ID hits on them, and anything that S7 can't hurt effectively.

>>52476128
Whoops, thought they were S6 base, they're S5. So the power axes are a lot less effective.

>>52476128
If I hit them with a Custodes Tribune or a single Dread in my army they fall apart.

Your list is awesome but will be tarpitter and hyper wounded easily.

>>52476166
Yeah, since they're only actually S6 with the axes any dread and they're fucked. So have to keep them in the stormlord until the right time and try to shoot down dreads.

>>52475970
Read the FAQ, if the weapon has skyfire blasts affect flyers as normal. It's prettydumb but is current RAW.

Field a Deathwatch Watch Master as a Knight Errant (with some bits changed around)

Good idea? Bad idea?

>>52476187
Honestly it's not a bad idea but the second anyone looks at the Stormlord(because of the point sink), it'll die.

Would you guys allow regular drop pod being used as Dreadnought pods if painted or marked differently?

>>52472215
It's nice to know cadia-pattern gear was around during the heresy if i ever want to field by guardsmen asimperial army.

>>52476239
That's what most people do honestly

>>52476225
Yeah, no doubt.

Honestly, I'm curious to see how power mauls will be in the new edition. They get up to S7 with power mauls and get concussive, and with the right AP modifiers for it that might be worth considering. And the bullgryn come with power mauls anyway, I wouldnt even have to do anything.

>>52476212
>Q: Can a Swooping Flying Monstrous Creature or Zooming Flyer be targeted by a Blast or Template weapon with the Skyfire special rule?
>A: No.

Um...

>>52476263
hrm, what's the revision number on that one? just curious, since I have one that says opposite, I'm curious when exactly they reversed it.

>>52476314
I went directly to GW website and looked it up there.

>>52476325
I'll go look then. I'm happy they did, it was a retarded as fuck ruling in the first place. now to hope that some of the other fuckery in the current ones get fixed.

>>52476225
How many vehicles would I need to bring to be saturated enough to protect the stormlord? Right now the list has it, 3 russes, and a land raider. I could drop one grenadier platoon and some of the heavy weapon teams to add a malcador.

>>52476380
I mean I would find a way to take one or two more tanks. You're already pretty mechanized so it doesn't hurt

>>52476443
Well, the options for militia are pretty limited. It's either a malcador or a second leman russ platoon. Or I guess a gorgon but they're super shitty.

Can allied detachment take RoW? Or is it Primary only?

are blackshields fun?

>>52476529
Depends on the army. Most are clear on it

>>52476868
So just need 2000+pts total army and 2 master of the legion models? I mean if RoW itself allows.

>>52475245
It's a good combo. The Warhound sometimes feels overcosted without a turbolaser but it's OP with two.

Are Pallas Grav Attack Vehicles worth it? I'm debating on a squad of 3.

So, list with the malcador added in:

Force commander, flak armor, iron halo, cyber familiar, power fist, digital lasers, planetary overlord, alchem jackers, survivors of a dark age

10 ogryns, 3 power axes, 4 power mauls, 3 boarding shields

20 grenadiers with lasrifles, 2 rotor cannons, advanced weapons

10 grenadiers with boltguns, sgt has melta bombs
Proteus with 3x TL lascannons and extra armor

9 AP2 missile launcher teams

Malcador with demolisher cannon, siege armor, flare shield, armored ceramite
2x rapier laser destroyers
3x vanilla leman russes with multilasers

Stormlord with 1 pair of sponsons

Aegis with quad gun

>>52476893
correct. Your total army size must be at least 2000pts, and your allied detachment must have a praetor or appropriate special character that does not have jealous command. (delegatus is out because he must be the warlord, master of armor from armored breakthrough works though.)

When a RoW prohibits a detachment from taking an ally, does it also prevent it from TAKEN AS an ally to another (primary) detachment?