Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

FIRST FOR MAGE SUPREMACY

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2ND FOR SCIONS

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Literally the best AA gun in the game. Only 30 ppm and up to 5 per unit.

Umpteenth for remove hull points and screw off to the grav players who complain about it!

>>52422904
If only 90% of the codex was good instead of complete garabage. Oh well, atleast my local Ork player has fun playing 'looted' other armys in tournaments lol

>>52422904
Heavy 1 BS3? Boring!

Needs to be Heavy 3 BS2!

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POST HOMEBREW, BECAUSE REASONS Not like you'll get to use it anywhere else, after all

Your Dudes, Your Units, whatever you made up for you - all are welcome.

Best stormtalon formation?

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Tzeentch is a great god!

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>>52422902

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>>52422986
I really enjoy homebrewing stuff. New units, fluff for armies, you name it.

I made the following for pic related as a sort of fast-attack Defiler.

Stalk Tank, Fast attack 140
Vehicle (Fast, Walker)
ws bs s [ F S R ] I A HP
3 3 6 12 11 10 3 2 3

Wargear: Twin-linked Multi-laser, Flamer, Two Lightning Claws, Daemonic possession, Smoke Launchers
Special Rules: Daemon, Daemonforge, Fleet, It Will Not Die, Siege Crawler, Move Through Cover, Scout

May replace flamer with:
-Havoc Launcher 10 pts
May replace Twin-linked Multi-laser with:
-Lascannon 20
May take items from the Chaos Vehicle equipment list

>>52422922

That's just going to make grav kill things in one hit on a 6.

>>52422979
More like BS2 heavy D3 S2D6 AP 2D6

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>>52422986
My Dudes are an Alpha Legion splinter that said "fuck this" and decided not to fall to chaos; instead they pose as loyalists, sometimes even aiding the Imperium, and betraying them when it suits them.

Basically opportunistic pirates, posing as good guys while favoring stealth.

>>52422986

Currently trying to create a good enough homebrew mix of 30k and 40k admech with a decurion style formation to let my gaming group use it in our next campaign.

I could always threaten to spam war convocation.

Eldar/demon spaming faggots.

Part 2 is here !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhqpYcFkeCE

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I just thought of a funny list that might even work somehow, please rate :D

The most obnoxious member of my playgroup, a pathetic excuse of a human being, hears about the proposed changes coming in 8th Edition.
He laments his recent purchases and claims that he will not be playing 8th because it's going full AoS.

Thank you GW! Soon I won't have to interact with this gasbag piece of filth.

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>>52422986
I love being able to show just how much of a faggot I am!

>>52423180
Grognards btfo

>>52423118
I didn't even see part 1. Looks interesting, love the Grimaldus novels.

Are there scans/digital copies of the Custodes and Sisters of Silence books yet?

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Hey /tg/ im going to start painting the Vostroyan captain from the command squad set, and was wondering how I should paint all the details on him? I want to do a good job, considering this guy has a record of great kills: entire Howling Banshee squad, and in one game a Hive Tyrant followed by an Archon.
Pic related is the color scheme for my Vostroyans

>>52423208

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D4jr-0_COg

>>52422986

I'll start with one we've used for our heavily-modified Path to Glory campaign and had a shitload of fun with:

Land Raider Anakis (275pts)

BS4 F14 S14 R14 HP4

Wargear:

>Hull-mounted Ectoplasma Cannon
>Two sponson-mounted TL Soulreaper Cannons
>Searchlight
>Smoke Launcher
>Extra Armor

Special Rules:
>Assault Vehicle
>Psychic Pilot (ML1)
>Anakian Reactor Matrix: The Land Raider Anakis utilizes a special and hell-fueled reactor system to power its Ectoplasma battery, siphoning the psychic energy of the surroundings and the souls of the dying to further fuel its guns. While the size of it eats into its transport capacity, and the reactor has a habit of putting off horrific energies to its surroundings when discharging, its tempermentalness is more than made up for by its sheer brutality and outright maliciousness in combat against the foes of the Changer of Ways.

>At the beginning of each Psychic Phase, the Land Raider Anakis can attempt to harness the following Psychic Power (counting as having a Leadership of 8). If there is a Sorcerer embarked within it or within 6", it may harness this Warp Charge at a +1 and may use the leadership of the Sorcerer instead of its own. If it Perils, it suffers a Glancing Hit with not saves allowed, and Explodes! if it would otherwise be wrecked in this manner.

>Fueled by the Damned: The Land Raider Anakis pulls in the very stuff of the Immaterium into its reactor systems, flooding all of its weapons with hell-forged energies. This is a Blessing which targets the Land Raider Anakis, and a successful casting grants all of its ranged attacks +1 Strength and increases the Ectoplasma Cannon from a Blast to a Large Blast. It also increases its Invulnerable Save by +1 until the beginning of its next Psychic Phase.

Transport Capacity: 8

>>52423118
>that Helbrecht voice
Jesus Christ. I get that it's just one dude reading the audiobook but I never imagined THAT. Sounds more like a spindly grandpa rather than a centuries old Warlord.

>>52416735
>>52416743
Thanks fellas

>>52422986
and i'm suddenly reminded i need to redo some old apoc chaos superheavies

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let me know how I'm doing. Even 1k of Guard seems hella expensive (moneys wise)

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>>52423220

Epub in the last mega, not that you would've ignored the OP. You're not that kind of a person, right anon?

>>52422873
post that cute cultist-chan and sister of battle with freckles.

>>52423440

This is why the current trend of having complex general OP posts is retarded. General OPs used to be one liners.

>>52423459

Only a retard would have a problem with this """complex""" OP. When I wanted a specific epub, I checked the megas. When I wanted the SoS/Custodes, I checked the megas after the weekend.

Also
>clearly labeled links are complex
Everything but the megas has a pretty straight forward label because each mega is different.

Also also, does anyone even use that discord?

>>52423440
I've never been able to get epub files to work.

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Slaanesh #1

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Name my Ork.

For Heralds of Ruin Kill Team is the Company Champion for Space Marines a worthwhile pick for HQ?

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am i doing it okay /tg/??

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>>52423613
Quality melee system.

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Has this been posted already?
http://imgur.com/a/VSMrK

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What's the ruling on dual welding pistols? I've been meaning to make Hadron 44-Stroika from Skitarius and it's written that he uses two arc pistols and two arc mauls. What's the rule, if it exists.

>>52423669
Two pistols means you count as having two CCWs and can fire both in the shooting phase.

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>>52423598
Forgot my picture.

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Does an HQ choice included in a Formation count as the HQ of the army or would I need a second HQ? I would like to run an army of skeltons that reassemble themselves with the Lost and the Damned formation, but 2 HQs in a 1k game seems like too many

>>52423700
Oh. Now I just need to find a pistol being held left handed.

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>>52423598
>>52423736

What medium? I'm on Android and have found Kobo to be rather great.

I can't comment for PC, but supposedly Readium is good.

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>>52423632
Quality is a word for this game.

>>52423775
>Chaos marine chops up Ork in melee
>Immediatly clobbered by 3 more

Seems accurate

>>52423566
>Only a retard would have a problem with this """complex""" OP

Save your breath newfag, it's like you don't remember all the general spamming and bickering over having the wrong OP. It's not like you faggots even put the right shit in there anyway with your Daily Duncan garbage.

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Anybody care to share an opinion on this list? I think it'll work pretty great in my game next week against my buddy's Salamanders.

>>52423804
Standard space marine I think. You can just get accessories for your characters.

>>52423772
I've tried several, but I haven't heard of Readium. I'll give it a shot.

>>52423668
Have any of these for Necrons?

>>52423566
>current OP format
>compared to a single line or no text
>not complex
>spamming quotes

Guess reading comprehension and a brain are 3complex5u

>>52423819
Flyers are going to fuck you up

>>52423757
Gotta have a HQ in that top detachment buddy. That Dark Apostle can be your Warlord but doesn't cover your HQ requirement for a CAD

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>>52422902
We Scions now?

>>52423863
I've never seen a player in my local area use flyers for anything other than transports, so I'm not too worried. This guy uses a lot of drop pods though so I figured tanks would just get killed by his drop pod melta.

>>52423459
As a random noobie anon, I've found the OPs extremely helpful for directing my early efforts.

>>52423819
First, I'd skip on the boltguns for the basic marines. Since you're running World Eaters, you want them cheap and in melee as fast as possible. You could save an easy 30+ points by just swapping for the cc weapon instead of buying it.

I'd also go for Autocannons over heavy bolters on the havocs. Same price, but far better.

The two Claws on the Raptor champ are also really wasteful and pricey. Shred is good, but simply keeping his pistol and buying a power weapon will do a similar amount of work for less.

Also, one more thing, you can only have 1 Relic per character. The Talisman of Burning blood is good, but you can't also give him a Burning Brand and Berserker Glaive.

Also, if I recall correctly, the Berserker Glaive prevents him from joining a unit, so that makes the Chaos spawn less useful as a potential bodyguard unit.

With those relics cut out, along with the points saved on the claw and boltguns, you could afford a lot. More if you cut out some of the chaos spawn.

>>52423768
Or make a pistol servo arm coming from his backpack. Maybe two?

>>52423810
>newfag

Please. Besides, I didn't make this OP, but it's hardly an incomprehensible mess.

>>52423850

More complex than a single line? Yes. Generally complex and unreadable? Hardly.

>>52423838

Good luck. The 3rd mega has pdfs, so they might be in there. They might also be the old ones, so keep that in mind.

>>52422986
Building an Iron Warriors mechanized list. The warsmith has "crews" that compete back on their planet by deathracing rhinos. All the Champions have servo arms or industrial cutters to help repair tanks. I'm having fun building em.

>>52423907
Okay cool. Thanks for the tip on the relics thing, people around here haven't really caught onto the FAQ I guess because I see relic layering all the damn time.

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Does anyone have a scan of the 3rd edition rules that also includes the army lists at the back? Can't seem to find one.

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>>52423973
Hell yeah Iron warriors! This is my list my man!

>>52423974
Well, even if you are taking multiple Relics out of houserules, I would recommend going for something other than the Glaive so you can have him joing a squad of Chaos spawn to help shield him from fire.

Other than that, it's pretty solid. If he's using lots of drop pods, it'll be easy to spread your guys out and charge them afterwards. I'd be wary of melta taking out your helbrutes though.

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>>52422902
>>52423874
I feel like 50% of posters own a squad or two of scions.

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>>52424003
This was the other idea for a list I had, not sure if it's better or if I'm doing worse by using the Berzerlers. I love the models but everyone says they're awful all the time. Still though, it's really nice to have fleet on everything.

>>52424066
I think the other is better, for various reasons. Berserkers aren't really much better than basic CSM as far as assaults go, and are pretty expensive at that.

Does anyone have a download link for Eye of Ezekiel? It doesn't appear to be in any of the mega drives yet.

>>52423952
Wha'd'y'know, there are pdfs of both there. Thanks, anon!

>>52424134

Cheers, though I am reminded that I need to get 2 more squads of SoS and 3 rhinos... Ugh.

>>52424066
If you love the zerker models, just use them for your WE CSM. They're basically the same thing.

>>52424107
Alright man thanks. Appreciate the help.

>>52424022
I got 40 kasrkin and 24 Scions. Planing on doing a Kasrkin drop platoon with 4 valks.

>>52424022
I'm also almost inclined to get one, just to be able to use my armys one formation, though I guess I'll wait what 8e brings before buying anything I'll possibly never use.

>>52424207
This has always been my dream, anon. How much do you have done?

>>52423240
What land raiders really need is the caestus rule that ignores the bulky rules and make those models count as normal single models.

If I buy Siege of Vraks now, what are the chances they'll update it anytime soon? Think the latest one came out in 2015. Will they update it because of 8th? Also should I hold off on buying codexes?

>>52424234
Who knows? They might update for 8th or they might drop all non HH support entirely. If you're that worried about the book becoming redundant you might as well wait for the new edition.

>>52424227
Actually, what they really need is natural Extra Armor, subtracting 1 or 2 from the penetration roll and not being made useless by a single Grav Cannon.

Also, some way to mitigate being stuck on terrain. Maybe just not letting it move for the next turn.

All these buffs applied would at least make them able to withstand more than just around 100 points worth of firepower before being immobilized or exploding.

>>52424066
Hey. This: >>52424170

Just field all berzerkers as world eaters CSM. All the same special rules, way cheaper, access to better wargear, excellent detachment and faction bonuses and artifacts, only thing you lose is +1WS, which didn't really matter that much anyways.

>>52424269
Yeah I'm clueless as to how often FW releases new rulebooks though. Do you know when the first edition of the DKoK rules came out? I'm looking but I can't find a date.

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>>52422986
With crappy still WiP paintjob (having kids really cuts into your hobby time)

The Paladins of Khorne
A Chaos warband the follows the martial honour and valour focused aspect of Khorne.
They consider that while Khorne is happy with any blood he prefers the blood and skulls of warriors, the greater the skill of the slain the more Khorne is pleased. Consequently rather than launching raids as other warbands typically do they'll seek out existing battles dropping in to fight with the "underdog" against the stronger side (who's blood is more valuable), like some sort of bizzaro Legion of the Damned.

They think of themselves and present themselves as great and honourable warriors, this image being one of the main ways they recruit new marines. Drawing in those dissatisfied with Imperial rule but still wish to be heroes.

Only once an Initiate is fully inducted do they learn the truth of why they fight the way they do.
They don't spare the unarmed out of any sense of mercy, its contempt and the hope they'll one day become a warrior worthy of killing that stays a Paladins blade.
They side with the loser in a war not to defend the weak and the innocent but too prolong the war, turning a quick slaughter in to long a gruelling meat grinder, ensuring that in the end many more lives are lost in battle.

They also have a strong hatred for the World Eaters who they consider to be doing it wrong.

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Is painting extreme amounts of rusts and doing this shit okay for quick 'n dirty nurgle CSM?

>>52424391
What have you done?

>>52424297
Late fourth, 2007. Engineers and Death Riders were Volume 2, early fifth edition, final volume was 2009, sixth didn't come until 2012 but sixth and seventh are basically tweaks to make fifth simpler to play.

>>52424391
looks cool. id say paint in the glass part at the front and your done

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>>52423736
>>52423772
Readium for PC.
Google Play Books is stellar for both of and Android.

>>52424391
Less is more.

>>52423768
You could try buying the Arc Pistol bit separately, cutting the Pistol off at the top of his hand, take one of the other skitarii arms that holds one of their rifles in the left hand and replace it with the pistol piece you cut off. Then just give him the actual Arc Pistol part for his other arm and add the Mauls either to the underside of his arms (like in the novel) or at his hip.

Don't you forget about getting the Servo Skull from the Sicarian kit to attach to his base/outstretched arm, though. Pheros died too young and should be remembered as the greatest of his kind.

>>52424441
Thanks! Yeah I think I'll wait for the next one.

>>52424391
holy hell man, cut back on the rust effects

Can I take heavy weapons with the terminator annihilation force? I want to take reaper autocannons

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Why did they make one of the Iron Warriors decurion bonuses "reroll scatter for ordnance and barrage"?

Are CSM getting basilisks in 8th?

Also they should have made havocs troops for IW.

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>>52424694
>Why did they make one of the Iron Warriors decurion bonuses "reroll scatter for ordnance and barrage"?
Pic Related

>>52424694
>Are CSM getting basilisks in 8th
it's probably just for vindicators and defilers. I wouldn't get your hopes up.

Does a CAD have to be the primary detachment? Like if I've got a formation and a CAD, can I have an HQ in the formation be the warlord?

Also, can you have an alternate FoC and a CAD? For example, would it be legal/valid to have say, The Purge FoC with CSM and a CAD of Daemons?

>>52424685
I don't think there would be any restriction against it. That said, it could get expensive if you load up on too many.

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>>52424694
IRONBRO

>>52424746
No. Any detachment can be primary, save for an allied one.

Yes, you can mix the two, just as you could take two CADs

Thoughts on Custodes?
Love the models to death, and I'd love to run a game with 'em, but I feel like they'll get the deathstar treatment.

Secondary question: How would you guys run a jump-pack focused SM army? I've been thinking of making an "angellic" themed army and whatnot.
Are Blood Angels the best choice for this?

>>52424729
So the bonus (that specifically states BARRAGE, which a vindicator is not) was intended to affect only one unit in the entire codex, that being the Vindicator?

>>52424694
CSM do have some Ordnance weapons, though I don't think they really have barrage.

Does it work with fortifications or something?

>>52424786
Yeah, I think maybe that's what it might be.

Hey guys, how do I print out the epubs from the OP?

>>52424775
I'm just saying don't get your hope up Anon, wouldn't be the first time Chaos got useless rules.
Still salty about the triple fearless formation

>>52424786
>>52424793
Actually, are there even fortifications with barrage weapons?

>>52424694
Just ride the Ironfire my iron nigga.

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What are you working on, /40kg/?

I'm getting through my friend's Guilliman and just got done with shading the gold. I need to go back over it with a drybrush of Liberator Gold and then clean up the wash that got into the blue areas.

I'm playing Mass Effect 1 during my break because I feel left out when my buds start speaking Mass Effect...I's so clunky on PC...

>>52422873
>I've made a huge mistake Emperor forgive me.jpg

>>52424768
1) Custodes are basically just better and terribly overpriced Terminators. Deep Striking a Contemptor seems fun but none of their unique rules or Warlord Traits are really good.

2) Skyhammer would obviously be one option. Raven Guard also have a formation of I think 1-3 Vanguard Vets, 1 Chaplain and 2-5 Assault Squads oe something along those lines thst lets you roll for the entire Formation at once and also lets all of them return to Ongoing Reserves immediately once per game. I think it can even be taken as a Core in their detachment. They also have a Scouts + Vanguard Vets formation that lets the vanguard not scatter and charge immediately. I'd personally go for Raven Guard, though I suppose Blood Angels could work (though being a core codex Chapter obviously has the bonus of having all of the nice shit available to you as well while BAs are pretty bad in comparison).

>>52423617
The hair needs highlights and you need to thin your paints (especially on the sword), but it's not horrible

>>52424838
Taking a light break from my rubrics right now to work on my Tzeentch daemons instead. Just finished my second screamer, and can't decide if I should just work on more daemons or get back to rubrics now.

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>>52424838
looking into painting some of these...

god help me

>>52424900
They only way Gork and/or Mork would be helpful in this hobby is when you want to break your models, anon.

>>52424289
That's probably what I'm going to do with a warband list. I have like 50 Berzerkers that a friend literally gave me because he was so disgusted with them back in 6th edition.

>>52424838

My wyches. Nobody can stop me!

>>52423118

Has ADB seen this?

>>52424955
I might actually pick up a box to play Armageddon with. I'll probably never field them with my DE army, though. Love the models, but they are garbage on the table.

>>52424817
hmm i believe only the macro cannon fort has barrage

>>52424768
they fight pretty well and they have some good defense. really expensive and i would't recommend making a list centered around them

>>52424977
Who ?

>>52425022
......

The author of the book.

>>52424882
I see.
So maybe Raven Guard, with an obscene amount of jetpacks, and maybe a couple vehicles as support.
Too bad you can't start your whole force in reserve.

>>52424982

Are there rules for all armies? I only skimmed the combat stuff.

>>52425036
Probably not.

>>52425083
There will be 12 teams on release, but I haven't seen any leaks of the Wyches rules.

Do any of the rules for Shadow War actually hint at campaign/continuity rules? Would be nice to actually be able to do a necromundia type campaign

>>52424124
This interests me. Bumping

>>52422986
I just made a Tau Cadre called "Darkstar" that specializes in Void Warfare. Which means going to battle entirely within mechanized devilfish units, alongside metric shitloads of stealth suits, as well as a contingent of Gue'vesa.

They are specially suited for fighting on the surface of Moons, Asteroids, and Space Hulks, usually without any light to guide them. They're especially good at boarding onto the external hull of ships, and blowing up anything within reach of the hull such as anti-ship turrets, engines, and shield generators. Then forcing the security teams of said ships to fight them outside of the hull.

> Colour Scheme is Gloss Black with Neon-blue trim/highlights.
The actual blue is supposed to be a sort of ultraviolet projectors, which can be seen by friendly helmets, but are otherwise invisible. Helps to stop friendly fire incidents when you're on the dark side of some moon assaulting a fortified structure.
> No large suits at all
Too cumbersome, and plus anything larger than a Devilfish would just serve to compromise their attacks.
> No auxiliaries besides Gue'vesa
Kroot wouldn't be caught dead in a Vaccsuit, and vespid wings outright don't work in the cold vacuum of space. That just leaves humans who have been indoctrinated/mind wiped to serve as replacements for casualties in a pinch.

>>52425128
If I'm remembering correctly I'm pretty sure they mentioned that they'd try implementing Necromunda type campaign rules.

why do the skitarii use wooden guns? It seems strange that they're among the most tech focused factions yet use the most old school materials

>>52425128
>>52425209
"Those veteran gamers out there will be keen to learn that much of the ruleset is based off of the classic Necromunda game, including some in-between game advancements and earning experience that can see your small recon-force grow to become an elite unit of honed killers."

>>52425128
>Do any of the rules for Shadow War actually hint at campaign/continuity rules?
yeah, from the announcement.

"Those veteran gamers out there will be keen to learn that much of the ruleset is based off of the classic Necromunda game, including some in-between game advancements and earning experience that can see your small recon-force grow to become an elite unit of honed killers."

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WHERE MY IRONBROS AT?

>>52425234
Because they're the artisan tech faction.

>>52425128
I just got to read SOME parts of the Shadow War booklets today at the geedubs. The blackshirt had a fresh delivery on the counter, and anything not wrapped up was fair game for reading according to him. There's also a Long-term campaign about to start this saturday.

> There's cards for every unit that gives you some of their rules.
> There's Post-battle phases where you scavenge materials such as Prometheum Tanks(Some kind of currency?), perform medical assistance on downed team members, and recruit additional team members.
> Certain units give you HUUGE bonuses to post battle phases.
> Grots give you bonus resources after the battle, specifically you get 50 extra points to
> Apothecaries give a -2 to all "Injury" rolls after battles, and let you reroll "Serious Injuries" to potentially stop a permadeath.

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>>52425284
Oh shoot. Please tell me brother, were there any Thousand Sons and/or Tzeentch units available, or do you not know?

>>52425284
The cards are stats for guys you can hire for a game i believe

I'm new too this stuff, but lore wise are chaos space marines equals to the regular space marines? In some of the books the regular ones seem to woop ass compared to chaos ones

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>>52425247
YO HOW IT DO

>>52425326
I didn't see anything to do with Thousand Sons, as I only got to play around with the Orks and Space Marines. There was a rather huge number of decks that I couldn't touch as they were wrapped up though. I asked the Blackshirt, and apparently this is being used by corporate as a Hands-On beta test for the 8th edition ruleset.

Also, some more on statlines
> ALL of the normal statlines are still present, except there's now the addition of a "Movement Value".
> Even Initiative still exists
> The standard movement range seems to be 4"
> There are Saves Modifiers, both positive and negative. So you can presumably get a 1+ or even a 0+ armour save, just like in Fantasy.
> Despite that, Invuln Saves still exist. They might be changed to work like old Ward Saves.

>>52425346
It depends on the point of view the protagonist, ofcourse an ultramarine is going to kill everything in sight with courage and honour. At the same time a night lord can kill 5 marines before they know whats happening

>>52425385
wat dis is?

>>52425284
>get to play a proper wych cult raiding an Underciry
No can't fucking wait. A guy at my lgs was talking about a campaign, too.

>>52424306

I like everything about this except their name, although now that I've read it it's more acceptable. I saw the name, thought "boring as fuck probably," but actually it's pretty good and way more interesting than the normal Khorne fare. Also I like the paint scheme.

tl;dr nice CSM, anon

>>52425397
8th edition

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>>52425371
Alright. Thanks anyways, anon.
I guess it's time to start praying to Tzeentch for blessings.

>>52425371
All the decks in that box are identical, i think it was 4 of the same deck. They are just generic characters like a commissar, ogryn, runtherd, deathwatch captain

>>52425385
This is looking very much like old necromunda.

I think I'm getting optimistic about a GW release.

>>52425371
>they're actually beta testing 8e

I am cautiously optimistic the more I hear about 8th

>>52424455

were can you get the flowers like the ones on that base?

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>>52425369
AYYYY MAN HOW'S THE DAEMON ENGINES GOING AT YOUR SIDE?

>>52425397
necromunda is getting rules for current 40k models

shadow war: armageddon,

>>52425443
no reee age of shitmar get out

Age of Sigmar is actually a lot of fun if you can distance yourself from the grognards.

>>52425398
Not gunna lie, I am hugely excited to finally have a game that my raptors are actually well suited for. I have a Heralds of Ruin roster of a whole bunch of cool, heavily customized and named dudes. But none of them see any action, ESPECIALLY now that I've downsized my raptors collection to being just a set of kill-teams.

> Weapons equipped with "Telescopic Sights" or "Red Dot Sights".
I wonder what these do? Telescopic sights being a bonus to shooting range? Bonus To-hit at long range? Would the Red Dot sights be a bonus at short range? This interests me as every last one of my scouts is actually equipped with this sort of stuff.

I actually plan on hosting my own campaign too. Long after the geedubs is done with it's own tournament.

>>52423613

>Name my Ork

Fukkface

>>52425397
necromunda is getting rules for current 40k models

shadow war: armageddon, gw's going to be rolling out BIG support for it, in store leagues, campaigns, free goodies for showing up to the release party

>>52425385
I really hope 8th is similar to this. The rules look pretty good. Obviously it would have to be dumbed down a bit, but it could work well.

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>tfw quit Chaos because my list just wasn't fluffy enough
>the formations have so much tax to what I want to take
>what I want to take isn't as fluffy as I'd like
At least I'm better off with Orks now. Blood Axes are cool, right?

Right?

>>52424022

That's a pretty nice Taurox conversion.

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>>52425448
PRETTY GOOD, WE GOT EM READY N RARIN TO GO FUG UP SOME LOYALISTS

>>52424391

"I am no longer ready to serve"

>>52425461

Yea. It seems like the best of both worlds.

Also, perception is apparently based on initiative. You are aware of things within twice your initiative. Wyches are I6, which means they are more alert than normal eldar. I love that.

>>52425459
AoS's lore sucks and it killed a well established franchise in order to exist, if you can't accept that is why people hate it, and it's not selling, then pls go.


As long as nu40k doesn't rape the franchises lore, IDGAF what they do to the rules

>inb4 AoS is selling well

>>52425493
literally anything feels fluffy with orkz, it's part of why I love them so damn much

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If these are already up I swear

Keep posting or nah?

>>52425553
no that's new, keep posting

>>52425553
please do.

>>52425553
Please do. Especially Necrons or Deathwatch.

>>52425553
Any Chaos or Thousand Sons in there, blessed anon?

>>52423396
eBay is your friend for Guardsmen. There are heaps of soccer mums flogging off Timmy's plastic soldiers for cheap.

Are heavy bolter havocs worth it? I'm not talking about compared to other options, just on their own.

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>>52425385

>>52425568
Sure they are alright by thenaelves, but why when you could just do autocannons? Bits sites exist for a reason.

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>>52425559
>>52425563
No worries my niggas>>52425563

>>52425563
Only Skitarii and Genestealer cults

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>>52425385
>>52425591

>>52425601
Ah, darn. Looking good so far though. Thank you anon.

>>52425601
>Only Skitarii and Genestealer cults
Those are already up here.
>>52423668
I thought you had more.

>>52425529
> Tau and Orks are I2
> Dumb as bricks and totally clueless
To be fair I can see the justification for this in Fire Warriors. They literally have a telescope for a face, so they get Tunnel vision from hell.

>>52425385
>>52425591
>>52425608

here's the link:
http://imgur.com/a/VSMrK

>>52425601
Is there a general consensus on this thing? Like, is it a fully fleshed out game with proper rules for every army, sort of like kill team? And more importantly does it look any good?

I would love to do a small, heavily converted squad of vets to play this kind of game with.

>>52425599
Yeah, I was just wondering because I like the idea of IW havocs with bolters, but one extra shot=/=2 extra strength and twin-linked.

Why are heavy bolters the same cost as autocannons?

>>52425630
It's kill teams with XP, which is a shame because we were hoping for Necromunda.

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So I've been slowly working on an army on and off for about 2 years now and a nearby store is throwing together a friendly tournament so I'm signing up even though I have no expectations to win just want to have fun and actually play the game for the first time

Threw this list together from what I actually have, again I understand that its nothing exceptional, I just wanted to ask for some pointers on how I could play it. Also for what psychic powers I should have my rune priest packing. I was thinking of loading both the rune priest and the wolf lord together with the terminators in the redeemer, wolf lord chopping shit up with the black death and the rune priest either buffing the squad or just using offensive powers

Dreads would stick together as an advancing gunline, long fangs stay behind shooting nasty targets, plasma gun grey hunters cap points under cover from the dreads and the meltagun hunters rush up in the rhino and try and knock out anti tank units, hopefully with some luck I can outflank something with the detachment bonus

Advice, thoughts?

>>52425616
Then sorry dawgs. I only got my White Dorf yesterday
>>52425630
Game looks fuckin sick my man. Cannot wait to play it. I'm sure there are rules for most factions. My guess is they might exclude shit like Tau and Eldar

>>52425620

What's funny is that it someone is hiding, you can only see them within your actual initiative, so Orks/Tau won't notice a damn thing until its right in front of them, space Marines notice a lot more, but eldar are even MORE aware. It's pretty cool.

>>52425636
Because geedubs can't into balance, if heavy bolters were 5 points cheaper I would say definitely. But at the moment Autocannons just work out better against pretty much everything except conscripts and grots.

>>52425623

The quick reference rules were literally just taken down. I didn't get a chance to save them.

>>52425651
Nah. Unfortunate as it is, they said that rules are to be expected for Tau and Eldar too.
At the very least they'll be restricted to normal infantry and stuff, hopefully making it even slightly better.

>>52425540

>literally anything feels fluffy with orkz, it's part of why I love them so damn much

I'm going to be picking up the Shadow War box set and might grab a few more Orks and a Trukk or something to fuck around with/dip my foot into the army.

Depending on how 8th looks I might just be starting Orks as a second army.

>>52425646
you're literally getting necromunda rules you fucking goomba

>>52425676
Jesus, I'd accept fire warriors and such, they're pretty damn cool

But if they dare putting crisis suits into this I will fucking tear their heads off

>>52425648
The Leviathan needs a Lucius Dreadnought Drop Pod at 50 points, it's considered "Practically Mandatory" since the Open-Topped pod does not requires your leviathan to disembark for an entire turn. It can plop down behind a bunch of tanks or a knight one turn, and kill them with it's copious amounts of shooting, but it STAYS IN THE POD. Then on the next turn your opponent has to kill the drop pod FIRST, before he can even start attacking the leviathan. After which it can disembark and immediately assault anything it pleases.

>>52425682
For kill teams, not gangers. Necromunda shouldn't see necrons and fucking space marines stomping around.

Shadow War Armageddon is necromunda rules verbatim, you can screencap this you goats

Also it's independent of 8th edition, don't think for a second GW will force feed you 2nd edition again


>>52425696
Guess what, you still have the rules for gangers, you can play gangs at non GW's


The big thing is Mordheim sold better than Necromunda becuase Mordheim let people use their WHFB minis.

So now necromunda is getting the same treatment. You get the necromunda game, but with minis from the main game line. Makes it easy for GW because they don't have to make new minis for the game.

>>52425687
Yeah. It'll probably be fine. Glad to see Tau players will finally have to buy normal infantry too.

just to be clear for everyone: Shadow war Armageddon is largely using necromunda's ruleset with very mild updating for new stuff and shadow war uses a less complex campaign system. the two rulesets are so close that you could very likely port necromunda content over very easily (with the assumption that shadow war rules/stats take primacy over necomunda's)

For example, shadow war uses 2d6 for ammo rolls.

>genestealers can charge 18 fucking inches

Is this a sign of 8th ed?

>>52425696
Nobody wants gangers, that's gay. We want Necromunda rules with our current armies which is exactly what we're getting

>>52425696
>ers. Necromunda shouldn't see necrons

> Booo fucking hoo, I get to use the stuff I want, but how dare other people use the stuff they want!

Quit being suck a faggot

>>52425717
We can only hope

>>52425696
Fuck off cunt, gangs are cool, but everyone else wants to play necromunda with their current models. It's an actually decent business decision, surprisingly.

>>52425689
Well maybe someone at the store will have a pod to let me borrow as I currently don't have one and I'm not sure with how slow shipping is to where I am if it would arrive in time

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Is this list nice and fluffy, if even just a little bit?
Do you think it would do alright against other small scale, casual CSM lists like a raptors or berzerkers focused one?

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>>52425765
>999
>Number of Tzeentch
Yeah it checks out.

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>>52425741

Nothing is stopping someone from proxying whatever army fits best with a "gang" and using old Necromunda minis or any of the shittons of third party models out there.

The only downside is you won't be able to play with them at GW stores, but small FLGS and Garagehammer is roughly 1,000 times better than trying to get pickup games from assholes and cheaters at official stores anyway.

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>>52425765

>9/9 would assault with wyches

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How would this be for a simple, fun list? the deathwatch drop in where I need them the most to hunt armor while the CAD defends my deployment zone. The stormtalon will hunt for elite's, HQ's and infantry.

>>52425847

Make sure and talk to your opponent about fliers at 750.

>>52425788
Brother, do you think it would be a good choice to take a spare brimstone horror from something like a lord of change kit (if I decide to get one to expand my daemonic forces) to act as a spell familiar for the sorcerer? I cant seem to find any good possible other spell familiars for Tzeentch outside of something like one of the spare blue horrors from a chariot.

>>52425888

Actually, I think a single brimstone would make a perfect Thousand Son familiar now that I think about it.

>>52425870
As a backup I carry a dreadnought with me in the case the stormtalon is a no go.

>>52425911
That makes me think I should get spell familiars for my AL sorcerers.

Not sure what I should use, was thinking about modeling something piggybacking on my sorcerer or sitting on his shoulder.

>>52425936
You are a real champ.

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>>52425936

Cool.

Dreadnoughts are the shit and I love them. I've only got three (one regular, two Venerable) but I want to be fielding a shitload of them in the future.

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Any of you guys getting the Shadow War: Armageddon box set just for the minis and the new terrain?

>>52425911
Now the real question is: do I have him riding upon the disk with the sorcerer or have him prancing upon the ground, having to catch up whenever the sorcerer flies around?
>>52425956
Perhaps you could greenstuff a small little snake with as many heads as you want coiled around the sorcerer? Could be kinda cute too. Either that, or if you or a friend has spare tomes that are left if the chariot for Tzeentch is built as a burning one rather than a herald carrier, you could use that.

>>52426008
The rules seem pretty damn good also. Really tempted.

>>52426008
I honestly just want the terrain and the rules. Could not give a shit about the minis, everyone in my group will be using ones they already have.

>>52425976
Cheap, versatile and a fun little distraction unit! Only have 3 of them, 1 ironclad and 2 normal ones but i'm looking at the ironclad version forge world makes and it gets harder and harder to not buy it haha

>>52423396
For the platoon commander do I just buy a company command squad box and just swap out the legs?

>>52426008
Just the terrain probably, don't like playing orks and already have 2 scout squads i almost never use...

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Oh god what have I done

POST HERETICCS

NOW

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>>52426008

I don't know if I'm going to get the box, but I will play the shit out of the game.

Also, dumping the QRS leaked

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>>52426085

Posting them in turn order

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>>52426095
>shooting happens on your turn
>but everyone can fight!

Never really made sense to me, but I like their combat rules

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>>52426066

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>>52426017
The snake sounds really cute; I might try that, thanks.

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>>52426114
And reference sheet for the box

That's all I've seen besides the other stuff above me.

>>52426114
>cover is a to-hit mod

YES

>>52426008
Probably just terrain. Might keep the scouts if I got it, but I wouldn't buy it just for them. The Orks I can give to an Ork bro I know. I'm sure he could use another 10 for his mob of 120

>>52424022

No pics, but can confirm.

If I could dial back all the space marines I've bought, I would take a full-on Scion army.

With Inquisition ofcourse.

>>52426120
I hope it works out for you, anon!
>>52426008
Mainly for the terrain, though the rules intrigue me too. I'm hoping it allows for more than just basic chaos to fight so my friend and I can fight one another.

>>52425403
Thanks.
I always thought the HURR WE EVUL version of chaos was so boring.

I like it when chaos has some sort of appeal that would make people actually consider worshiping it.

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> Play Space Marines
> Stuck with fliers that look like literal bricks
> Meanwhile, Imperial Guard gets the best looking vehicle in the entire game

What suffering is this?

>>52426199
I know what you mean. Chaos is more fun when it's more tragic villains or just generally having motives and personalities outside of blind worship.

>>52426207
>What suffering is this?

The kind that's much less suffering compared to all those armies in the game that aren't battle brothers with guard?

Just take some man.

>>52426226

The 100 points that would have to be paid in a tax (on top of the cost of the Valkyrie itself) makes that fairly prohibitive.

>>52426237

Imperial agents has a formation that is literally a Valkyrie.

>>52426114

Not sure I'm much of a fan of that assault system. Seems very fiddly.

>>52426123

I DO like some static strength melee weapons. So non-marines can do melee.

>>52426237
>>52426253
Imperial guard also has a formation that's literally 3 Valkyries or Vendettas

>>52426123

>Bolt Pistols are +2 accuracy at 0-8

Yes, this makes my Seraphim happy.

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thick highlights on a crappy salvaged rhino. The model has a really uneven surface because the 16 year old I got it from my former self had used the gel superglue to attach all these spiky bits to it. I plan to weather it up a bunch to try and hide it, but I'm not exactly a great painter.

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>>52426253
>>52426260

Oh shit, thank you guys.

>>52426308
To add on to this, if you're worried about not being able to start Marines in a Valkyrie, you can take a Skyshield landing pad. Start the Valkyrie and the squad you want to drop in on it with the 4+ invuln bubble, then load them up and take off.

>>52426308
why are people in this hobby so f***ing spergy? (photo)

>>52425847
Do note you only get one frag cannon per package

>>52426237
>meatshields
>tax
wat

>>52425540
>if I sarcastically greentext a fact it stops being true

>>52423613
Where can I play this?

>>52426382
Selling better than WHFB != Selling well

>>52426397
Eternal Crusade, f2p on Steam

>>52423180
As someone who literally just ordered his first box of minis a few hours ago, and who has never actually played the game before, er, what are these 'big changes'? What kind of game am I going to be walking into?

>>52426379
Yeah I got my hands on the battleforce box so now I have more weapons left over than I have bodies on the table haha

>>52426409
It was the 4th best selling "non-collectable miniature game" last fall
https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36971/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-fall-2016

Imperium of Man
Aeldari
Orks
Tau
Necrons
Tyranids
Chaos

Try to describe each alliance as interesting as possible for a newcomer.

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I was bored so I made a second edition carnifex dataslate.

>>52426421
We're moving into 8th edition this year, so everyon'e panicing. Don't worry, anon.

>>52426459
>Selling less than Warmachine
>A literally dead game

>>52426123
>TERMINATOR ARMOR
>3+ ON A 2D6
IT'S BACK, BABY.

>>52426360
What are you talking about?

>>52425385

>Save modifier on Mining Laser
>-6

Holy shit

>>52426421
>Charge strikes first
>battleshock
Forgot the rest, kek

They're basically gonna invalidate every old edition, supplement etc due to changes so a bad time to get codices.

>>52426008

Oh shit, that terrain can link up with Promethium Pipes and therefore Haemotrope Reactors as well. That's awesome.

>>52426123
>Every ork weapon is unreliable
lol

>>52426493
It's a lascannon.

>>52426421
We might be getting some changes to how initiative works, as well as how saves work, maybe some other stuff (might be forgetting something)

Hopefully, Tyranids, Dark Eldar and Orks get buffed, Eldar and Tau and Tzeentch Daemons get nerfed, Formations get nerfed, and CSM get cost adjustments.

What army are you planning on doing?

>>52426123
>'Eavy Armor
>-1 to initiative
>tfw Nobz are now I2
But I3, S4, and 2W were their main attraction.

>>52426417
What chapter are those marines?

>>52426515
>Implying orks would ever get to strike first/same iniative

>>52426123
>Squid-hide armour
>Squid

That's extremely annoying.

>>52423613
Cruddfagg

>>52426528
But initiative doesn't impact when you swing there, it plays into who wins in the event that both players tie in a roll off and determines your charge distance.

>>52426523
Looked like Dark Angels but not sure. You can play as Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves and Imperial Fists.

There's not much documentation online but the game's free so just try it and make up your own mind if you like it or not.

>>52426528
Nobz against IG.

>>52426477

199 points

how come older editions did this shit?

>>52426512
Imperial Guard. I was told they're the most 'vanilla', so I figured it'd be a good baseline to help me figure out how the game works.
Also, it's their job fluff-wise to die in droves, so I figure me losing over and over with them as I try to learn is in keeping with their normal lives.

>>52426598
The real question is this. Do you like them? Most people are recommended Space Marines as their first army, but Imperial Guard are good too.

>>52426360

You don't have to censor swearwords you know

This is 4chan, not Gamefaqs you fucking tool

>>52426472
IoM: the fucking best with constant updates, you cant go wrong
Aeldari: don't play them
Orks: don't play them
Tau: don't play them
Necrons: don't play them
Tyranids: don't play them
Chaos: don't play them

>>52426477
>fleet because M6
Correct
>5 wounds instead of 10 because no damage value
Also correct
>crushing attack is AP2
because of how strength affected saves and gave bonus armor penetration dice this should really be AP1 to be a direct translation.
>bio plasma is large blast
You could legitimately have gone either way since the 2" template doesn't exist and some 2" blast weapons became 3" blasts and others became 1.5".

>>52426512
I want to continue playing my AdMech but I have no idea how long it will take them to update armies beyond the initial few that they release alongside the new rules. Unless they surprise me and release more updated rules for armies beyond Space Marines, probably Eldar, ect.

>>52426625
They CAN'T make a complete rules change without updating all the armies at once. CAN'T!

>>52426633
Oh sweet summer child

>>52425717
Please, please god let that be the case.

>>52426598

Guard isn't a super newbie friendly army since you'll have to buy and paint a shitload of models to get a game going.

That said, pick whatever army you think looks cool, since you'll be spending hours assembling and painting them.

Space Marines are a popular first choice. They're fairly well rounded on the table amd have more models than any other army. You could always just get the Killteam box set for $60 and play Killteam games with two armies.

>>52426633
They don't really have to update all of them at once, just 4 or so. Granted, not doing so at release or at least in relatively short order would piss off a lot of people but if they thought the new edition would draw in enough new players they could just push the sale of a few of the most popular armies and leave everyone else playing 7th until their army is updated.

Though I'd like to think recent GW is better than this, but I'm a jaded fuck.

>>52425648
So assuming you have no other models then your strategy is straight-forward, escort your land raider full of terminators to beat people in the face

Deploy aggressively, use your dreads, rhino, and grey hunters to bubble wrap your land raider to avoid deep striking melta guns so it will survive turn 1

Give your priest divination, if you get the 4+ invulnerable save power you can cast it on the land raider which is sweet

You have a decent amount of AV12+ armor, so anything short of optimized Tau or Eldar will have a hard time removing them before you hit their line, the problem lies in the low model count and low damage output, so you'll likely hit them with half of your army, wipe a few squads with ease, then get battered by the short range counter attack. If these are the models you have then you will have to make do.

Due to monstrous creatures losing built-in armorbane, walkers are surprisingly durable in combat, the tough part is getting them into combat.

Good luck

>>52426653
A Mechanized list doesn't really use as many models as you'd think. 3 or 4 chimeras, a CCS, a couple vets, throw in some vehicles and you've got ~1000pts.

>>52426515
initiative means basically nothing in 2e CC

it's a tie-breaker, that's it

>>52426472
Imperium: Religious fanatics, ww2 soldiers, cyrborgs and supersoldiers; lots of options, decent-great rules

Aeldari: space elves, edgy space elves and goofy space elves, lots of options, mostly OP (except DE)

Orks: lotz o' green gitz, shit options, shit rules

Tau: "straight man" turned extreme; i hope you like gundam, borderline OP

Necrons: Robot zombie egyptians with disintegrating guns, borderline OP

Chaos: Superhuman EVIL religious fanatics, superhuman pirates, evil religious fanatics, daemons, ranges from dogshit to OP

>>52426618
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

>>52426123
Did they forget to give the shotgun blastshot template or somthing ? otherwise there's no reason to use it over Solid Slug

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Hey anons.

Hear me out now.

I have a great idea.

A real cheesy idea.

You ready?

Stompa with Grot Riggers, 11 Meks, and 2 Big Meks with one having Da Fixer Uppers inside the Stompa.

>>52426605
Definitely a fan of them fluff-wise; if I end up enjoying the modeling/painting side, I hope to eventually work my way up to the FW-sold guys (Krieg and so forth).

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>>52426683
But why

>>52426653
I'm in this more for assembly and painting than for the game at this point, actually, so I don't mind it taking a while before it's all ready.

>>52426695
Because IWND and 13+ repair rolls on a HP12 Super Heavy Walker with a 4++ is a good idea.

>>52426701
Guardsmen are fairly simple to paint and assemble, you just really have to assembly line paint them if you have a bunch of mooks.

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>>52426702
Is that even legal?

>>52426702

Ok, so you end up with 1000 points invested in a model with shit ranged options. Sure you can't dakka it down outside of D hits, but what does it actually do? Believe me, I've done this exact build, and it doesn't really do anything because most of your army is wrapped up in a single model that doesn't do very much.

>>52426701

Right on. You'll definitely get your fill of assembly and painting if you go Guard. They are the seminal horde army.

They get the raddest tanks in the game as well, in case you want to roll some tread.

>>52426621
Considering it has to not move in order to shoot the large blast is probably more appropriate.

Also for 199 I would absolutely field that.

>>52426712
You can take 1 Mek per HQ that is not a Mek. So take 2 Big Meks. That's 2 Big Meks and 2 Meks. You can also make 3 Burna Boyz or Loota Boyz into Meks. Take 3 units of 5 for 9 more Meks. That's 11 Meks and 2 Big Meks. Give one a Kustom Force Field for a 5++ against Shooting. Da Fixer Upperz lets the model with them repair on a 3+ instead of a 5+. If in higher points games, take the Ork Horde detachment for a third Big Mek at the cost of a third troops choice. That's 14 Repair rolls. And a 5++ against shooting.

>>52426725
It's COOL.

>>52425795
Playing in a GW will only be an issue uf they're 3rd party. Old GW is always completely fine.

>>52426725
he can use IA mek-stompa ~700 pts with all repair crew.

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>>52424306
Very interesting fluff. I can imagine the horror and confusion of an imperial guard regiment about to be overrun suddenly being saved by space marines only to realize these marines are disfigured and covered in horns and spikes and chaos iconography

>>52426725
The Stompa does have a S10 AP1 Massive Blast Primary Weapon. That's not bad at all, anon.

>>52424391
yes, needs more rust though

>>52426320
Or just take an officer of the fleet from the fucking page right before the Flyer and add him to the Marine squad, allowing them to start embarked on it.

>>52426477
Points values back then were inflated to about double what they are today.

A screamer-killer should be 100 points.

>>52426725
Kustom Stompa had 7" D Blasts, access to 1d6 Void shields, Hellstorm template Ap3 and other ridiculous dakka potential. So screw you, Stompas were made for shooting.
Or you can just make it Melee for 400 points and 8 to 10 D attacks on the Charge.

>>52426633
if its that big a change we'll get AoS style free rules only codex pdfs.

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>>52426748
This is what they should make the whole Ork codex like; come up with the coolest, stupidest bullshit you can and presto.

And then make it really viable too.

>>52426814
Sauce of the GIF ?

>>52426831
do the evolution

>>52426772
Seven hundred and seventy points anon.
770

How do I kill Thunderwolf cavalry with Stormshields really fast?

anyone have the grey knight rules for armageddon?

>>52426892
What is your army anon ?

>>52426802

We're talking codex Stompas here, not Kustom Stompas. The codex Stompa is a steaming pile of shit. Kustom Stompas are very viable.

>>52426772

That's a shit weapon in today's 40K and you know it.

>>52426898
Sisters of Battle/Astra Militarum, mainly.

>>52426909
>That's a shit weapon in today's 40K and you know it.
What

>>52426914
Autocannon spam.
Gatling Leman russes with Pask. And anyting S10.

>>52426918

For the points it is. People can take the same weapon by taking 3 Demolishers and you never see it. And that's at 360 points. It does jack shit vs monstrous creatures, it's poor against vehicles and it doesn't ignore cover. It's bloody lackluster all-round for 770 damn points.

>>52426796
>Points values back then were inflated to about double what they are today.
You clearly haven't looked at current tyranid unit costs!

A monstrous creature that can actually fight in close combat and also has a gun would easily ruin you up 200+ points.

>>52426472
>Iom
tits
>aeldari
ass
>orks
gorilla back
>Tau
thicc
>Necrons
hips
>tyranids
tongue, tail
>chaos
thighs

At what point level can fliers be expected? 1000? 1500? Planning 'step armies' on my way to collecting my 1500 pts; not sure when to buy the AA. I know I can just ask people not to use fliers but I don't wanna miss out on fights because I'm missing it.

>>52426999
depends on the army. Orks and Chaos Space marines should take them at any points level

>>52425499
Thanks, bro. Wheelox is best ox.

>>52427010
>>52426999

Yeah, fliers are one of the few things that are solid through and through for Chaos.

Expect anything from AV10 all around 2 hull points interceptor to AV12 all around gunship from Chaos.

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>>52426066
It's too late, anon. It was always too late.

>>52427010
>>52427038
Sorry, might not have been clear. When should I get my ANTI-air? Locals play pretty much every kind of army and I've only seen flying in Apocalypse games so far.

Was just thinking about throwing in an ADL for my 1500pts army. Should I get it for the 1000pts milestone, earlier or later?